vrchat-general-2

[median basalt]

You can usually eliminate half the rows of skirt bones and still be fine

[thorny totem]

same goes for cloth Rokk

[languid beacon]

I have an avatar with a tail. all predone animations, looks better than a dynamic bone. looks like a limb and not a dead ragdoll

[median basalt]

People forget it's about bone counts and not just bone size, so people forget excessive hair too

@languid beacon tails are a different issue

For that, you want both

Animations and dynamic bones

[shy nest]

well for a tail it makes sense lmao

[median basalt]

Tails aren't a very common use case compared to skirt and hair though

[languid beacon]

predone animation is perfect for skirts tbh

[thorny totem]

if done with taste sure

[languid beacon]

hair maybe not so much since hair is head is very mobile

but id go as far to say dynamic bone hair is a non issue

dynamic bone skirts are very bad

at least i have seen some very wasteful ones

dynamic hair may have 10 bones but skirts can have like 60

[torn cape]

What if there was a graphics setting for dynamic bones 🤔

[umbral reef]

Like?

[languid beacon]

update rate override would be nice

[torn cape]

I'unno if and how it could be implented but like, maybe a maximum number of dynamic bones on-screen, after which it no longer computes others? Or that

[languid beacon]

or base it on proximity like closest X avatars full quality eveyone else gets stuffed

[torn cape]

ye, that

[languid beacon]

as long as its optional, I still want to see vrchat in all its laggy glory if i want to.

[umbral reef]

Time to spend another night in blender fixing up my model instead of learning for a small exam i got tomorrow

[uncut trail]

Kinda sucks not able to handle double wedding

Imagine 40.people including bride and groom and bridemaids and best man and the pasture

[solemn heron]

yo quick question does anyone know how long I need to wait to be able to upload my own models

cause Ive been waiting for days now

[vocal shard]

@solemn heron
»THE PASTA«

“Being allowed to upload is based on reaching a certain trust score which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.”

“You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling wont help.”

“According to many responses in this discord the typical time it takes seems to be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.”

“Make sure you are not logged in to your steam account by accident because you will be treated as a guest”

“Play the game until you get a notification or e-mail.”

http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

[umbral reef]

Not fast enough

[solemn heron]

Thats really annoying

Like I have 50 hours on steam

[umbral reef]

Just play the game and do not ask while on a VRC acc

[solemn heron]

Like my friend has 6 hours

[vocal shard]

And do not get into your Vrchat account through steam

[solemn heron]

In game I logged into my vrchat acount

[umbral reef]

If he had the acc before the change it got grandfathered in

[solemn heron]

again dumb but okay thanks

[median basalt]

The devs don't want to impose any limits so don't expect performance to get any better

They just don't care

70 materials and 200 dynamic bones? No problem man

30k polys? ONE MONTH

[umbral reef]

Last time they (shoddily) added limits on animations peeps went mental

Also since when do they ban for bypassing the polys?

[vocal shard]

they ban for bypassing the poly limit cuz most people change the sdk for that

and that's not allowed

[umbral reef]

Also howly shit even the current avatar pedestals drop performance 😂

[vocal shard]

and yet, they have no way of knowing if you actuall,y changed the sfk

but you'll still get banned

[umbral reef]

I had unity and blender open while testing the avatar within the home spawn

If i looked away from the avatars it was aye owkay

The second the avatars got in my rendering vision bye bye frames

[torn cape]

i propose we make all avatars

b o n e l e s s

[umbral reef]

No material, no bone, 20 poly avatars

[keen mesa]

The poly limit is idiotic

It should be 65355 polys

The gpu takes the same time to draw a 20k mesh as it takes to draw a 64K mesh

[vocal shard]

@keen mesa we know

everybody know

[torn cape]

butlike, why don't they change that, then

[vocal shard]

same reason as why the poly exist in the first place

because they are dumb as all fuck

[torn cape]

🤔 rude

[vocal shard]

if they didnt have dumb rules in the first place i wouldnt be rude

[royal pond]

For science we should upload a 5k poly avatar in 100 meshes and watch fps tank

[quiet prawn]

Whats a poly?

[umbral reef]

What is a drawcall

[warped urchin]

They aren't dumb as fuck rules

[quiet prawn]

What's an atlas?

[warped urchin]

It's better to have people get forced into 20K then making an avatar that has too many materials too many polys too many bones in it.

People need to learn how to optimize to in return not lag the shit out of everyone.

The poly limit isn't idiotic it's meant to force you to learn.

[umbral reef]

Cap polies at that 65355 cap
Materials at like 6 or alike and big odds a lot will improve

Or to be fair lower the cap to just a flat 60K then

[warped urchin]

Yeah it's a unity limit that's why it caps.

[umbral reef]

Still does not change anything with the 20K but makes peeps atleast not edit the SDK

I know why they want the 20K its to lead you into optimization but that is not how people handled it

[warped urchin]

And no you don't get banned for changing the sdk unless you're uploading crash avatars which run into millions of polys.

They do not one month for that.

I have not heard a single person that I know get banned for being over the poly limit.

Unless you're going to 300K

Then yeah you'll get a ban

[quiet prawn]

Maybe instead of complaining about poly limits, you should instead just educate people oh how to properly optimize.

[umbral reef]

First step is to just flat out reduce the amount of materials you use and do not throw dynamic bones on anything that does not /really/ need it (start of the hair tree + the tips instead of the middle part also)

[warped urchin]

I'd actually say don't start at the tip of the hair because that breaks it more then you think on most models.

[quiet prawn]

Unfortunately DB does not work like that.

[warped urchin]

Also yeah DB is just unoptimized regardless of what it is.

Starting at the start of the hair would cause more lag

It'd be running at more bones then running ti just half way

[umbral reef]

I seen some insanely good working DB with that but what i said is not my personal experience

[warped urchin]

if it looks nice

[umbral reef]

I just dont use dynamic bones because for hairs it almost always just looks off

[warped urchin]

it's because it was tested a lot that's all

not because of where it is

[umbral reef]

and for clothes and ect... well we got cloth component

[quiet prawn]

Cloth isn't a very optimized alternative either.

[lethal meteor]

^

[warped urchin]

At least in this version of unity it is not

[lethal meteor]

careful with higher poly objects when using cloth

[ocean kraken]

guys

I need help

i`ve beenc rashing like crazy

When in vr i crash a lot

and idk why

My hands disappear and everyone dissappears and the game just frozes

[warped urchin]

what are you specs?

and what exactly are you doing vrc when you crash

[fluid finch]

i heard people can be banned for having others upload models for you, is that true for others too?

[warped urchin]

It's heavily frowned upon

[umbral reef]

Depends on what happens to the user that it got uploaded to from so far we know but it is super dumb to give away (or ask for) account information anyway

[warped urchin]

because if the person uploading it gets introuble

then you get in trouble too

[ocean kraken]

i got a 1080

i7-4770

[fluid finch]

okay, so as long as i know this person wont et in trouble its okay im guessing

[warped urchin]

In the sense yes

[fluid finch]

since i know them personally and all that

[umbral reef]

Its still dumb to do when you can just share the unity project 👀

Also-- that does not make it safe at all~

[ocean kraken]

8gb of ram

[umbral reef]

They can still say or do dumb things to get you both in trouble

[warped urchin]

just share the package

with a prefab of the character

[fluid finch]

i guess but theyre wary on what they say as well
i planned on doing the package thing here recently since i just reinstalled unity

[thorny totem]

use cloth if you've optimized your geometry already, be gentle with your painting too. So swelsen, according to you they should push the polycount before educating the users on the good practice ?potentialy making a problem even worst? hmm sure....yay 1 model 6 meshs 10k each, of course keep the DB, textures, shaders, particles as it is. I give you 5 minutes if you have an average rig...

[fluid finch]

i agree that they should educate people first
keeping the lowest material count possible is best

[umbral reef]

One day ima have this model non uber scuffed

Been painting parts of my hair for a fair bit of time now

If only i can find the bone that breaks with the weight pain when moving

[fringe nebula]

Hello is there any world I can go too become a rock?

[thorny totem]

@fluid finch if the IP pools attached on the offending account contain the uploader/comissionner IP, it make sense yes. Don't share your account and a potential problem is not anymore, i guess.

[umbral reef]

If you are unable to weight paint a hair why not just remove it

Tips and tricks with oclac

Now lets see if i remove the right one 👀

Take a guess

[thorny totem]

A Weight tables is a good way to spot that kind of issues

[umbral reef]

I like to botch my avatars though

[thorny totem]

good luck :)

[umbral reef]

And to be fair with how stupidly this hair is painted i would prob not understand it when using weight tables

[vocal shard]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 5829 users in VRChat currently

[thorny totem]

send it i'll have a quick look if you want

[umbral reef]

Id rather not sorry

[thorny totem]

;)

add a random animation to your model (in whatever cad you use), pause it when you spot the problematic vertices, select and reset the said vertices to 0 for all bones, repaint accordingly, done.

[quiet prawn]

[thorny totem]

Do you mind not spamming that Again @vocal shard , some told you already it wasn't the place.

when you keep posting the same stuff again and again it's called spam in my book

[vocal shard]

anybody know why everytime i go into vrchat my character and mouse keep rotating by itself?

[languid beacon]

man i really wish we could have the VRChat Home world as a template

[thorny totem]

Ahegao do you have another controller connected?

[vocal shard]

no

[thorny totem]

gamepad, joystick?

[languid beacon]

i always learn from example

[vocal shard]

oh its my VJOY

[thorny totem]

ask them ;) who knows

[languid beacon]

Ahegao that is very indicative of another input device being connected

[thorny totem]

yes his VJOY ;)

[vocal shard]

it was vjoy it was stuck in a position

[night lark]

i was playing in presentation room and then suddenly all the pens were drawing swastikas and my game froze

[limber edge]

A damn hacker stole my avatar.

Is there a solution?

[thorny totem]

delete your avatar and reupload it with a new ID

[night lark]

is your avatar private

[limber edge]

My avatar is private.

[night lark]

then reupload

with new id

[ruby needle]

upload a cube to the old id

[limber edge]

Even if you delete your ID, the hacker will use it.

[thorny totem]

depend, most likely not

[ruby needle]

always upload a qube to it. doesnt hurt and doesnt take long

[night lark]

you should probably upload a cube temporarily and use a different avatar for some time

maybe after an hour or two you should be fine

[thorny totem]

why a cube when you can upload a banana?

[night lark]

lol

[ruby needle]

upload anything to replace the avatar before deleting it then upload your avatar as a new id

[limber edge]

OK. I'll try.

[languid beacon]

copy your avatar file. edit it into a cube and upload it with your old blueprint id. this will turn hacker's avie into a cube.

then load your backup, clear the blueprint id so it will upload as a new avie.

[ruby needle]

jup

[thorny totem]

everyone should have a premaid avatar ready for it, a banana, or the same avatar upside down, a tposed llama

[limber edge]

Insert the existing id into the cube and upload it?

[languid beacon]

yes

then upload your real one with a blank Id

[limber edge]

Thank you. I'll give it a try.

[languid beacon]

and you will be assigned a new id for it

make a habbit of trash-updating important avatars before you delete them from inventory, just in case someone else had the ID

otherwise they just kinda hang on the servers forever waiting for someone to wear them

[vocal shard]

Lol

Should change it to something super cancerous

Make it a flashing cube with a tag that tells people to report

[languid beacon]

ive seen that

"Please report me I steal avatars"

[limber edge]

I feel bad to see the wearing my name tag.

[vocal shard]

Or make it so they cant open their menu

Lol

[thorny totem]

@limber edge in the mean time go here and vote https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/avatar-id-stealing-countermeasure

[languid beacon]

they did not trash avie, just wrote it on the back of their shirt

[vocal shard]

Disable the mesh render reupload and add a report me tag to the back

Make it white screen themselves

Lmfao

So only they can see it

[languid beacon]

you know i sort of assumed "i'll be the only one using this avie" is what uploading private was supposed to be.

really we need a third radio button for "personal"

[thorny totem]

no they really meant it for the pedestal

[vocal shard]

Yea im going to make a prefab so i can just throw it on when people try to steal my av

Self inflicted flashing screen and a report me tag

Lmao

[thorny totem]

you're nasty :)

[vocal shard]

Heh

Double cube

Outside cube so that no1 sees the flashing screen

Lol

But the hacker gets blinded

Lmao

Ill put an overlay particle inside

Lmfao

Hahaahah

[limber edge]

I put my existing ID in the cube and wrote " fucking hacker. "

[thorny totem]

yes that way you give him what he wants, just put "you're welcome" instead ;)

more punchy

[ruby needle]

make it a bad looking copy

and add a animation with random screamers

and jumpscare pictures apearing in the avatars vision

[thorny totem]

eheh

[ruby needle]

gotta get creative

[vocal shard]

Lmao

[thorny totem]

you see not so bad finaly everyone got a good laugh out of it ;)

[vocal shard]

Earrape and flashing screen for the hacker

Lmao

[ruby needle]

but only them!

[vocal shard]

Ye

Well if other people hear it they will report

Lololo

[ruby needle]

not that it would be bad in this case

but we only want to scare the bad guy

so

[vocal shard]

Ye

[thorny totem]

^

[vocal shard]

Ill change all my old avatars and reupload them

Lmao

Gotta make that prefab first

Maybe put a mesh collider particle inside the cube as well so they crash themselves

Lmfao

[quiet prawn]

I really don't understand why people care so much.

[ruby needle]

[thorny totem]

Some will soon be glad to have their avatars stollen, right Kuro ;)

[vocal shard]

Ye

[thorny totem]

eheh

[vocal shard]

Just go to public never have i ever world

Then upload the modified version after

Lmao

[inner cape]

If they set up the collission layers properly, it won't collide with terrain and the cube that you put around yourself.

[vocal shard]

Does anyone know where I can get a Goku Black model?

[thorny totem]

a world you mean? if No, you could try here i guess : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vrchat+Goku+Black+model%3F

[vocal shard]

Thanks bud, quite frankly I tried that and I was looking for a specific one.

[ivory folio]

can you activate 2 different gestures with the same controller in vr?

[inner cape]

Same controller?

[ivory folio]

yeah I know you can use 1 on each controller at the same time

but what about just one

[inner cape]

As in, use rocknroll and thumbs up at the same time?

[ivory folio]

yeah

[inner cape]

Well, yeah, hand gestures are separated in that sense, but if you have for example 2 swords on 1 animation, it will activate both regardless if you're only playing it on 1 hand or another.

[thorny totem]

you can also use one gesture in combination to another to trigger an animation : if 1 pushed -> animation 1 if 1 + 2 (only if 1+2) ->animation 2 , if 2 alone animation 3

[languid beacon]

add voice clip "please report <______>, he stole the avatar he is wearing"

[ivory folio]

if I were to have 2 animations, one that pulls out a weapon and the other to shoot it, which 2 gestures slot would be best/most comfortable for vr users to activate?

welp I just got crashed while writing that 🙃

[languid beacon]

for oculus users: finger gun for gun out, thumbs up for shoot

very very natural :p

[inner cape]

I use fist for both

So I don't need to replace 2 animations for it.

[ivory folio]

how does fist work?

[inner cape]

It's my secret.

[languid beacon]

oculus hand poses they just do those things with their hands. vive is like from a pie menu idk i dont have a vive

[thorny totem]

:D ghoost

[inner cape]

Whot?

[ivory folio]

[languid beacon]

vive hand poses feel like an afterthought

id be supprised if they werent made with oculus in mind and sort of shoved in to let vive do them somehow too

hopefully knuckle controllers will be more natural

[reef lichen]

i like the pie wheel though. with custom hand animations im assuming it would be even weirder with the oculus knuckle controllers, right?

[vocal shard]

Hmm 🤔, once Oculus 2 comes out, will people be able to make hand gestures more freely?

[reef lichen]

i had the dk1 and dk2, then switched to vive after so i wouldnt know

one thing i do wish that the vrchat devs did was split the right and left hand gestures

so instead of 7 gestures it would double to 14

[hasty wedge]

right and left gestures would be the best QoL update ever

but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[reef lichen]

^

exactly

that alone would allow for so much more freedom

[vocal shard]

Because that discussion has been going for 2 months ever since the Oculus 2 trailer came out...

[hasty wedge]

u could basically have infinite gestures but just having left and right would make life so easy

[reef lichen]

you can have infinite gestures?

[hasty wedge]

using emotes and gestures together

and then disabling and enabling when x is activated so on

[reef lichen]

oh! that sounds really cool

have like "gesture sets"

so you can pick which set you want to use

[vocal shard]

With Oculus 2 you can have infinite gestures from what they have been advertising, but having infinite emotes... R u a mad lad?

[reef lichen]

i dont really mess with emotes too much.

its just nerfed gestures.

[hasty wedge]

for summoning things theyre gud but they dont sync with new ppl entering

[reef lichen]

wait i take that back, i use emotes to test my gestures so i dont have to hop into vr every time i make a update

doesnt the summon go away once the emote times out?

[hasty wedge]

no

[reef lichen]

ah- wait i'm guessing you use it to enable a seperate gameobject

[hasty wedge]

toggleproping ye

[vocal shard]

You'd need to have universal imagination,very powerful tech from the future and an infinite amount of time to be able to pull of infinite emotes

[reef lichen]

that's a good idea, i never thought of that

i forgot how to rate up people in this server uh

yeet

[languid beacon]

one aspect i'm not sure if vive can mimick is oculus touch has a smooth gradient of animation from relaxed hand to tight fist. not sure if that is possible on vive

also fist has two versions: thumb on the side and thumb over the closed fingers

either one triggers fist emotes though

so i would not be suprised if new controllers give new hand poses and make everyone else jealous

I'm sure we all want finger tracking

oculus 2 will have it

[umbral reef]

Rather not 👀

then its super obvious where we are looking within VRC

[languid beacon]

then disable it

[umbral reef]

Who isnt 👀

[languid beacon]

lol

i feel like im the only one who does not want to be a girl in vrchat XD

[umbral reef]

I got a male avatar just ask @inner cape or adverto

[languid beacon]

looking at them yes having them no :p

[umbral reef]

You know what i think is funny though

The second i use a model that isnt to my used high i get motion sick so fast

[languid beacon]

but i appreciate all you dudes for being girls o7

isn't to your what?

[umbral reef]

height*

Brain plox

[rough pulsar]

That's an interesting point, never thought having the world scaled different from what you're used to could factor into simsickness.

[languid beacon]

oh. make sure you scale IDP. it will make you feel normal size and that everyone else is just big

[umbral reef]

Like all avatars i used with VRC have the same height or close to the same height

I got one smaller model and boy, i cant handle that

[inner cape]

Why did ya tag me?

[umbral reef]

I confirm im a big boy ❤

And not a big girl within VRC

[languid beacon]

if you don't scale IDP your floor height will be wrong, but your brain can often just interpret it as depth perception weirdness instead

[rough pulsar]

Also part of it might be how in vrc all avatars move at the same speed, regardless of size. So the smaller you are the 'faster' you'll go.

[inner cape]

You are indeed a male Oclac, I can confirm.

[rough pulsar]

There's also the issue of way more than half of vrc's userbase having nonhuman proportioned avatars, which also causes the floor mismatch.

Also it's IPD. IDP is… something, but not the Inter-Pupillary Distance.

[umbral reef]

talking about non humanoid

[languid beacon]

also scale IPD works via wingspan, NOT height, so disproportanately tall anime avatars with short arms often push the floor waaay below your real floor

[umbral reef]

My model hands had to be moved a fair bit so i could use them without fully remodeling the clothes

The way i have it currently its not even that off or odd

Might be because i got long arms irl

[rough pulsar]

Not so much short arms as it is freakishly long legs.

From the hips up they're fairly normal in proportion (aside from head size and stuff)
They just have super long legs

[languid beacon]

yeah wingspan controls the scale of you and your avatar and by effect the floor's baseline (your arms will always feel the same length) world, then after that your height determines how far down the floor ends up being.

so if you are going for accuracy (full body tracking), make an avatar your RL height, then adjust arms until the floor matches your real floor. longer arms = higher floor

[reef lichen]

the oculus 2 having eye tracking can be used in unique ways, like having things only appear if you're not looking directly at them.

[languid beacon]

Weeping angels

horror games will get evil

no jumpscares until the perfect moment

[cold talon]

🤔 Weeping angels

that sounds intresting

[languid beacon]

we need user scripting! give it at like one bazillion trust level

compute shaders can do a lot but no callbacks like "user is making finger guns at me"

i wanna make games

[vocal shard]

jumpscares

interesting

[green panther]

junpscares
interesting
Yeeees

[cold talon]

hell yeah

🤔 well depends how well its planned

[hard trench]

@clear hinge only way I can reach you... you need mental help. I wish you the best.

[reef lichen]

funny thing is i was just looking at Naddition's channel an hour ago from my suggestion feed and here they are

[vocal shard]

someone had that anti crash but i dont know his username

is there logs?

[reef lichen]

speaking of jumpscares i saw someone with a really cool model concept earlier. its a "scary" model but starts out completely invisible (nametag included) with creepy music. then they add a shader that turns the world black and white and boom they appear in front of you with a screaming audio (the model. not a picture shader covering your screen.)

[flat kayak]

RIP to XXXTentacion

[reef lichen]

woah i just googled it. this happened not too long ago

rip bro

[supple bison]

@mild acorn Do you know if Volumetric audio scripts are supported for avatars? Having audio sources shaped instead of single points?

[solemn stone]

Just bought me rift! Woooooho

[vocal shard]

is it normal for vrchat to only be using about 25%-33% of the CPU?

@supple bison set the volume in the animation window

[supple bison]

I'm not trying to modify volume, I'm wanting volumetric audio. Audio that has a shape to be heard in other than a sphere

[vocal shard]

In vrc only sphere is supported

[supple bison]

Then that answers it

Unless someone from the actual VRC team has anything to say

[night lava]

finished model in blender, all limbs look okay and presentable
imports to blender, the face is a jagged mess and the model is like 6 polygons

sigh.

[vocal shard]

Kuro is a god, you may trust him

[inner cape]

6 polygons

[shy nest]

ultra optimization

[ruby needle]

the cache can get up to 10gb

well you propably have a lot of things on your pc installed that might consume that

maybe its a update in the BG downloading

¯_(ツ)_/¯

well the cache grows

but thats it

[tacit wing]

Does anyone know where i can find the DOOM 2016 chainsaw model?

I've been looking for it for a while, and came up with nothing despite seeing quite a few people using it

nvm

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1098690865&insideModal=0&requirelogin=1

here's the one i found if anyone's curious

[inner cape]

Every single discord is XXX right now.

[vocal shard]

yo how long does it take for ban appeals to get a response, my friend submitted one 4 days ago and hasn't gotten anything back

[ruby needle]

that can take a while up to infinity

depending on the case

[vocal shard]

ah ok, he was caught flying in public words lol

[ruby needle]

with a tool or with a collission cube?

[vocal shard]

tool

[ruby needle]

well

rip then

[vocal shard]

is that not unbannable?

[ruby needle]

using a modified client is the worst ban

[vocal shard]

lmao rip

[ruby needle]

its like hacking

i mean... it is hacking

[vocal shard]

its a permanent ip ban i think

ah ok

[ruby needle]

they ban more then ip 😉

[vocal shard]

hardware?

probably both

[ruby needle]

yes

[inner cape]

Yeet.

[vocal shard]

if your friend logged into any other accounts for whatever reason, those accounts are gonna get hardware banned too (along with all the other people who logged into those accounts)

but

you shouldnt be sharing accounts anyways

so you'll be fine

oh rip lol

ive been using the hacks for a couple weeks now didnt even know you could get banned

gave it to a friend like 2 days ago he got banned on first day

[ruby needle]

u what

[vocal shard]

.

(dont ban me xd)

you dont just

proudly exclaim

[ruby needle]

that is a joke right?

[vocal shard]

in the discord

[inner cape]

Bruh

[vocal shard]

where the developers are

[inner cape]

@Tupper

[vocal shard]

well i guess ill stop using it now lmao

[inner cape]

[vocal shard]

do it you wont

@ the devs

lmaoo

[ruby needle]

why did you and your friend think it is a good idea to use a hacking client

and why didnt you came up with "oh this might get us in trouble" on your own? 😄

[inner cape]

In what game is hacking a normal thing anyway?

[ruby needle]

in hacking games

[vocal shard]

i see your point but i assumed fly hacks were okay in a social game haha

csgo wingman non-prime

csgo global elite non-prime

"hvh"

[ruby needle]

assuming any kind of hack or modification is okay is totally wrong

EVERYWHERE

[inner cape]

I wanna learn how to use the cube thing ;-;

[vocal shard]

which includes avatars

/s

[inner cape]

Teach me paul

[ruby needle]

and there is fly possibilities with a collission cube

without any software ore rule breaking required

havent done it yet Ghoost

[floral aspen]

Everyday I learn how dumb people can be

[vocal shard]

lmaoo

[ruby needle]

yes Tidus

[vocal shard]

whats next

"can i get banned for stealing avatars?"

[inner cape]

I suppose you just put a box collider beneath you

[vocal shard]

i have a little tiny avatar and i've been floating at eye level with people for the past couple weeks

[ruby needle]

thats kinda it Ghoost

but i dont know the correct way of placing and stuff

but thats the working principle

[inner cape]

In the feet and then tilt it slightly forward so you fly in the direction you are looking

[ruby needle]

i have no idea

[vocal shard]

go experiment

!

[inner cape]

I will, someday.

[vocal shard]

the more people talk about avatars, the more i remember i need to create custom worlds for myself

[inner cape]

Still have this one world with 2 islands flying in space for no reason

Lost inspiration

Idk what to do with it

[vocal shard]

make the islands into loss

[inner cape]

God damn it

[vocal shard]

see if someone figures it out

[inner cape]

Have a couple of friends who are into it

Can do for them.

But nah.

That gave me an idea tho.

Make the entire world a series of riddles n stuff that needs to be solved

Put naruto references all over the place and watch the majority struggle.

[tacit wing]

"i got banned for hacking can i get unbanned"

[deep moon]

yo

im having serious issues

my sdk isnt wroking

[tacit wing]

in what way

[deep moon]

i tried using my backup and its still not working

[tacit wing]

what part of it isnt working

[deep moon]

it now just gives me the option clear cache and playerprefs

i have no fuccin clue

thats the thing

[tacit wing]

mkay

[ruby needle]

did you clear the chace and unity play prefs?

[deep moon]

yes

i have clicked many times

and reset unity

nothing

[fallow flint]

hey, is anyone else having issues with music or videos not loading in any world that uses a playlist?

[deep moon]

i srsly need help with this though cause this will kill my upload potential

and im a huge uploader

[ruby needle]

did you recently install any addon to unity / the assets?

[inner cape]

@deep moon I had that issue. One of the scripts in your assets is the reason. Try looking for those and deleting them.

[deep moon]

none of my scripts are changed

i changed literally nothing

[ruby needle]

did you try a new project?

[deep moon]

im trying now

problem is

my project i use now is so large and expansive its a HUGE hurdle to restart new

[ruby needle]

you one of thooose 200 avatar people?

(and all in one scene)

[deep moon]

lol

[ruby needle]

you can try exporting them as unity packages and importing them one at a time

[deep moon]

no not one scene

but all one project

link to a new sdk?

[ruby needle]

https://vrchat.com/download/sdk

[deep moon]

another problem is i did break my sdk so i could upload higher poly avatars, cause lets be honest, poly count is not the reason people lag

[ruby needle]

it doesnt matter what you think and technically might be the case

rules is what matters

[deep moon]

my boi, i never go about 100k polys

[ruby needle]

does not matter

20k is the limit

[deep moon]

the only times i do is with joke avatars i never use.

[ruby needle]

any surpassing via a modified SDK is a rule violation

and a possibly bannable thing

[vocal shard]

how do u replace sdk for new one

[deep moon]

this is why vrchat died long ago btw

stagnation.

[ruby needle]

this is a free early access alpha game

and if it takes 5 more years to get good

[deep moon]

lmao early access

[ruby needle]

thant that's it

yes

it is literally trown at your face when you open the in game menue

early access does only mean that you can access the game before it's release state (early) so it can take 20 years if the game takes that log to develope but still be early access

[deep moon]

poly's do not effect game performance. the only times those really come into play is with like million poly avatars or spamming them

[vocal shard]

the game isnt dead

[deep moon]

venclaire the game is most certainly not as lively as it used to be

[vocal shard]

yeah

memes do that

it was just a trend for a bit lmao

[ruby needle]

possible xLePlay and yes a higher limit is something a lot want and might come

[deep moon]

the only people really left are the ones who are dedicated, and the ones like me who wanna push the game really far

[vocal shard]

if ugandan knuckles was still as big of a meme as it was the game would be alive

but it died off

[ruby needle]

but currently its 20k and thus the limit we have to deal with

[vocal shard]

which i think is ultimately a good thing

[deep moon]

just because a player wants quality does not mean they should be banned.

[ruby needle]

just because a hacker wants fun does also nto mean they should be banned right?

[deep moon]

hackers are a different matter entirely

[ruby needle]

no

not at all

this game has rules

[vocal shard]

theres a difference between stealing a model

[deep moon]

are you kidding me?

[ruby needle]

no matter where you vialoate them

[vocal shard]

and having 25k polygons

[deep moon]

thank you venc

venc understands

just cause a guy sends a nude to a 17 and one half year old girl does not mean he is a full blown pedophile dude

[ruby needle]

you need to separate opinion based judgein and rule based

[deep moon]

but the "rules" state that under 18 = pedophile

[inner cape]

Generic "I know better than devs" argument #Unknown.

[deep moon]

its not opinion

[vocal shard]

theres a difference between being extremely large and forcefully following someone into a world to crash them

[ruby needle]

rule based hacking and modifing the SDK is both modifiing the game files

and on the same level

[deep moon]

but they achieve different goals

one is diliberately intending to hamper other player's experiences

[ruby needle]

sure

but that doesnt matter for the rules

intentions dont matter but the way you break em

[deep moon]

INTENTION certainly matters

[vocal shard]

not really lol

[deep moon]

otherwise reading huckleberry finn would be a hate crime if read aloud

that is flawed logic dude

[vocal shard]

what year was vrc made

january of 2017

was when it was released on steam i think

[ruby needle]

thinking that modifing the SDK is ok and should not be bannable while it clearly violates the rules is flawed thinking.

[deep moon]

thinking that ripping a tag off a matress should be punishable by law is flawed thinking

[vocal shard]

i think both of your arguments have their own merits, what paul is saying is correct but what leplay is saying also makes sense

modifying the sdk is against the rules, but most people who do it just want higher quality models

and the current amount of polys doesnt let them have as much as they want

thats all im gonna say though

[deep moon]

i do think loading a new project fixed it btw

[vocal shard]

Ok before you keep with this nonesense you should know that if developers did wanted to enforce the SDK not being moded thwy would do it in game. Making a system to detect characters with over 20k poligons and bans accounts automatically is not hard.

[deep moon]

that's also why good samaritan laws are in place

[ruby needle]

it is currently not enforced unless aktive reporting happens yes

[deep moon]

intent

[vocal shard]

just curious how much harder on your computer is an 80k poly model compared to a 20k model?

[deep moon]

not much at all

[ruby needle]

well

[deep moon]

the highest i have gone is 16 million polys and it brought me from about 60 frames to about 10

[vocal shard]

16millon jesus lmao

[deep moon]

that was a joke model though just to test limits and i dont have it

ikr lol

i never bring it in public either

[vocal shard]

Nothing, I have seen characters with over 1 million polys and keep at 90 fps

[deep moon]

trust, im not a dick lmao

[vocal shard]

80k doesnt affect you too much

hmm ok

i think its mostly the amount of elements a character has that affects your FPS?

[deep moon]

the only times polys effect you is if you run a low end pc

[vocal shard]

heard a lot of people saying that

[deep moon]

yes it is

such as tons of particles

[ruby needle]

in a room of 30 players 80k vs 20 k would mean 3600000 more polygons (assuming VR)

[deep moon]

well that is being rendered person by person

and it also assumes all 30 have the higher poly too

[ruby needle]

mass is always the issue

[vocal shard]

Actually devs only say that because there are people who have no idea of what they are doing.

[ruby needle]

and a lot break the rule in that regard...

[deep moon]

true but most players play in private worlds

[vocal shard]

ive literally been in 2 private words in my 100 hours of vrc lol

It is a not enforced rule that is there just to prevent normies from abusing the system too much.

ive been in tons of private worlds

most of the time i play the game im in a friends / friends + (at worst) lobby

[deep moon]

same and i have about 200 to 300 hours

yesp

and with the new home system its harder to just rando join things

[vocal shard]

hmm ok

[ruby needle]

why

[deep moon]

why?

cause now you must deliberately choose worlds or walk through portsl

[ruby needle]

there is a portal to the hub right in the home

[deep moon]

instead of you know kinda wandering

more players spawn in homes rather than the hub

so it's automatically more likely to be thinner in pubs in general

[ruby needle]

fair enogh

[vocal shard]

There are even ways to get over 200k polys without even moding the SDK. Thats why I say that 'rule' is there just as a mesure to stop normies from lagging everything.

yeah i guess

Most people dont know how to optimize stuff.

[ruby needle]

thats why a material limit should be implemented

[vocal shard]

muh 300 elements

[ruby needle]

you can lag your self in a lagless world with that Venclaire

[vocal shard]

"thats too many"

yeah but i look good

:^)

lmao

[deep moon]

true

lol

yea that workaround of just emoting or gesturing is really easy

[ruby needle]

but!

not against the rules

[deep moon]

BOI

INTENT DOES NOT MATTER

lol

[vocal shard]

u right

[deep moon]

like for instance though

my doomfist has animations from overwatch

and his model is direct from overwatch

but its like what, 30, 40k?

the point being i went a ripped all the animations and stuff and it looks cool and people comment all the time

but oh no, it broke rules, reeeeee lol

[vocal shard]

im repot you

[deep moon]

LOL

[vocal shard]

lmao

[deep moon]

REPOTTED

[vocal shard]

dont... make FUN of me...

im repotr you.

[deep moon]

could you at least change my dirt while repotting me?

[vocal shard]

ye

[ruby needle]

im dying

[deep moon]

lol

[vocal shard]

How do you "reppot" someone?

[deep moon]

but yea, the way i view vrchat

is it's a platform on which the goal for me is push the games limits as frickin hard as i can

[vocal shard]

And how many pots do you need for that?

[deep moon]

like maybe my end goal may be to have a literally portable game of overwatch

[vocal shard]

10

10 pots

lmao yes

[deep moon]

i already can drop houses on people

[vocal shard]

IM GOING TRO REPOT U

rip all the overwatch characters for us and we can play a game

[deep moon]

and like when chairs were allowed for that small time, i had chairs in its living room

was awesome

[vocal shard]

i fuckin hated chairs

[deep moon]

lol

[vocal shard]

on avatars

[deep moon]

chairs are AWESOME TAKE THAT BACK

REPOTED

[vocal shard]

cause one person figured out how to force you onto a chair

without your consent

[deep moon]

oh

[vocal shard]

overwatch chairs? @vocal shard

[deep moon]

i know what that was

[vocal shard]

and you couldnt get off of it without respawning

: )

[ruby needle]

or the poeple putting chairs on their....

[deep moon]

he made the chair thing was fuccin gigantic

[vocal shard]

i have intense motion sickness

it wasnt fun

[deep moon]

lol paul

[vocal shard]

i threw up like twice before i realized who it was and blocked him

:^(

[deep moon]

or like making a giant, and putting a chiar on their fuccin tongue

then having asmr sounds of licking inside the mouth

fuccin disgusting

[vocal shard]

.

.

#chairmanVR

no

[deep moon]

yea

ikr

lol

[ruby needle]

and with that, im off

happy banning

[vocal shard]

kneel before me pesants!

goodbyeee!

youre not a dog youre a penguin

yes!

but i have a dog named toby!

oooohhh

actually brb1min that reminds me i need to feed him

ok dog is fed

[vocal shard]

k

[vocal shard]

is he a good dog

yes

[vocal shard]

going to a texan food restaurant right now

ooh yum ok

have fun

[midnight harness]

hey

any1 on?

gonna be upgrading to a i5-6600k is that good enough for vrchat?

[uncut trail]

i7 better

[valid ocean]

can someone help me? My mic is functional outside of VRChat but in VrChat, my mic is turned all the way up and selected as the device. AND IS NOT WORKING

[wheat willow]

did you try muting and unmuting?

checking your sound settings?

disabling all other devices?

reinstalling the drivers?

updating the drivers?

bashing your headphones on the cement until they work?

[valid ocean]

xD

Noo

It works outside of vrchat

But

in vrchat it says it's not picking up anything

[wheat willow]

What does that mean?

It's not detecting the audio device?

[valid ocean]

Yeah

It's in system settings and is enabled

But

Not workinf

[wheat willow]

check the playback settings on your device

Some have features that allow apps to take exclusive control of audio devices

[valid ocean]

add me back

so I can call

[wheat willow]

Sorry, but this is really the extent of my helpfulness.

I'm not an expert on audio devices.

[valid ocean]

wel

well

You can helpo

help

I have no friends to call and talk to

they're all offline

[wheat willow]

I have nothing else to really say.

Those are basically all my tips.

Just check to see in the system menu if the mic is ACTUALLY registering as a device in Vrchat

because it needs to be on THAT mic.

and the slider on the left needs to not be on the bottom.

[valid ocean]

I did that

[rapid scroll]

Pretending to be an IT guy 101: ask the person if they've rebooted their devices and tried again.

[wheat willow]

We already hit that step

[rapid scroll]

ah crap

[wheat willow]

I actually AM an IT guy

[rapid scroll]

I sorta skimmed over to this part and realized it wasn't from 3 weeks ago

[wheat willow]

but not for audio devices.

Check your playback settings in your sound options.

[valid ocean]

It's VRCHAT that is fucking up

[wheat willow]

Make sure your recording mic is set as DEFAULT

and in Vrchat make sure its set as whatever you set as the defualt

[rapid scroll]

And he's holding the PTT key?

[wheat willow]

No idea

[rapid scroll]

@valid ocean You are holding the push-to-talk key (default "v") when you try to speak, yes?

[valid ocean]

i have it toggled

[wheat willow]

Disable push to talk for now.

[valid ocean]

I have it on toggle

[wheat willow]

Are you launching with a steam account?

Vrchat account?

[valid ocean]

steam

[wheat willow]

Rightclick your game.

actually wait

they changed how you do that

[valid ocean]

I tried that

[wheat willow]

Go into your steams voice settings

And set the defaults from there

[hybrid spire]

quick question

how long do i have to wait for permission to upload my own avatars?

it's been 3 days since i made my account and my friends told me it should take less than a day

[dire palm]

unknown but you should be close

[hybrid spire]

cool

ty

[tacit plank]

How many hours do you play per day?

[bleak nimbus]

anyone know why my girlfriend can't use avatars in private worlds? says something about security reasons?

[rough pulsar]

Sounds like she's using her steam account to use vrchat. Making an account on vrchat.com will (eventually) give full access to all features.

[inner cape]

[bleak nimbus]

She switched to her VRChat account and it still had the same message

Does she have to use it for a while?

[inner cape]

Yes.

Well, kind of.

[rough pulsar]

Hm, yeah sounds like that's another part of the 'trust' system

[bleak nimbus]

Any work arounds or is it basically just a waiting game?

[inner cape]

Waiting game, be active in game, don't just sit in one place and you will get it sooner.

No more private world cuddling sadly.

[rough pulsar]

From what I've seen, it's a mix of being active in vrchat, making friends, the phase of the moon and how many cats live north-west of you this week.

[vocal shard]

Cats

[bleak nimbus]

lmao

[inner cape]

Can't find a more accurate description.

[bleak nimbus]

Well, I'll let her know

Thanks for clearing this up for us

[rough pulsar]

Once the account gets okayed by the system an email is sent saying so.

[inner cape]

Someday, I will become modkage.

[mighty galleon]

never

[inner cape]

[mighty galleon]

you're not a strong enough ninja

[inner cape]

I will become stronger and will make everyone recognise me!

[mighty galleon]

impossible

[inner cape]

It is!

[mighty galleon]

only friendship will make it possible!

and screaming

[inner cape]

Advert is my friend, I'll scream at him untill I become a modkage if needed

[mighty galleon]

不可能

[inner cape]

Or no, I won't as it will be very unpleasant for him.

I will find another way.

[mighty galleon]

he'll like it

[inner cape]

No.

[mighty galleon]

:3

[inner cape]

Anyways, gotta go, good bye sean

[mighty galleon]

bye

[inner cape]

🅱omo

[vocal shard]

https://youtu.be/OeLxUVACQF0

[mighty galleon]

oh hi cyhann

[zinc solar]

Really hate this time in VRchat, nobody online to play some Werewolf games with... People are either chilling in random worlds, having a livestream, or one of those creeps who ERP T-T

[vocal shard]

Try making friends in that timezone

That, or ask the ERPers, I guess. They're probably bored

[zinc solar]

nah, too lazy. Most of the people in public are speaking mostly foreign or really drunk

[vocal shard]

I bet most of them understand English. As for being drunk, that makes Werewolf more fun (I assume. I haven't played it yet myself)

Or maybe I'm just optimistic about VRChat because I want to play it. I'm too busy atm

[ocean bramble]

What is ERP?

[livid abyss]

i guess Extreme Roleplay ?

[ivory folio]

erotic roleplay

[vocal shard]

Enterprice Ressource planning

A quality managemebt system

Quite common really

[ocean bramble]

Ah, thanks 👌

I need my resources planned, where can I find them

[vocal shard]

google, but don't disregard the 'enterprise' part pls

[inner cape]

[undone patio]

http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet
Steam accounts cannot ever gain the ability to upload content. Please create a VRChat account!

What the...? Why? And why isn't that mentioned anywhere else?
And if it's about logging in to the SDK, Steam does have an OpenID which you could use.
Or please tell me you can at least link your Steam and VRChat account?

So you're not forced to play the game on a new account if all your time is on the Steam account.

[inner cape]

You cannot.

[undone patio]

And this...
http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/i-cant-see-my-avatar-i-uploaded
Steam accounts cannot upload or use custom avatars

[inner cape]

You have to make a VRC account in order to gain rights to upload content, and due to the trust system being introduced, you don't get the permissions right away, you will have to play for some time on the new VRC account.

[undone patio]

That's my point. I don't mind having to play for some time. I think that's a good idea. But I think it's a TERRIBLE idea to lock out Steam accounts like this. I haven't seen this mentioned ANYWHERE at all than on the Knowledge Base. So all the time I have on my Steam account, counts for nothing. Which is my problem.

It should have prompted me, or let me know in some way before I logged in the first time.

Like, a pop-up saying... "Hey, do you want to make a VRChat account, and eventually gain access to all features. Or use your limited Steam account." Or something.

But really, there's no excuse for not being able to have the same features available for your Steam account too. Either by implementing account linking, or simply using the Steam OpenID, which has been a thing for years.

[inner cape]

Too late now.

[undone patio]

It's never too late. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal shard]

@bleak nimbus
»THE PASTA«

“Being allowed to upload is based on reaching a certain trust score which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.”

“You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner, walking around, meeting people and also making some friends. Idling wont help.”

“According to many responses in this discord the typical time it takes seems to be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.”

“Make sure you are not logged in to your steam account by accident because you will be treated as a guest”

“Also make sure that you don't enter your Vrchat account through Steam”

“Play the game until you get a notification or e-mail.”

http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

@mighty galleon oh hai

[undone patio]

Hmm... Looks like they do have this

Steam login makes it super easy to get started in VRChat, but currently only VRChat accounts can use the SDK to upload content of their own.```
on their FAQ on the website. https://vrchat.com/faq

[narrow egret]

Hi, I got a question. Is it possible for me to view my vrchat friends list without being in-game? Is it possible to maybe log in on the website to see my friend's list?

Also to everyone who remembers me, HI! I haven't really been on since last year but I want to start using VRC again and hanging out like old times

[ivory folio]

you can use the api to view your friends, not sure if you can do it on their site

[vocal shard]

grargh, VRChat crashed, apparently the hardware suddenly couldn't be accessed or something, and I got a nice graph out of it: https://i.bfnt.io/aYuEO71.png

[narrow egret]

api?

@ivory folio

[ivory folio]

if you don't know what it is/how to use it then you should probably stay away from it

but no I don't know if theres any other way than in game to view things like friends

[narrow egret]

I have a feeling of what it is i just have horrible memory so I forgot what API means but i see now

[vocal shard]

What's a Google

[lilac swan]

Because their accounts are not eligible to upload avatars on their accounts.

When they are, they can

[tacit plank]

Might wanna stop hacked clients from being able to still, though. Or at least check if an avatar is tagged as private or not when it's recieved from the server (outside of avatar pedestal usage)

[modest solar]

Do we know if there is any chance that vrchat sdk will update to a newer unity version

[vocal shard]

Potentially

[modest solar]

We need unity 2018 lol

[polar jasper]

@tall hound Zarniwoop answered your question on why it doesn’t work. If they are using a steam account or vrchat account and don’t have upload access, they can’t use private world avatars

It’s not to prevent avatar stealing.

Any public avatar id can be used on any pedestal.

Yes, but not going to go into to much details on it. But it is to limit the use of certain avatars

[ruby needle]

please dont promote your channels here.
only do so in #shameless-self-promotion

[velvet quarry]

@vocal shard Try to keep those in #shameless-self-promotion and #vrchat-livestreams , though you are only supposed to post them in #vrchat-livestreams when the stream is active, and delete your message afterwards.

[vocal shard]

question, if u say the t word do/can u get banned?

Tupper fix it

hmm?

[thorny totem]

The questions you have to ask yourself 1) is your word is in the dictionary? 2) is your word could offend someone? . That done if you have some common sens you have your answer ;)

[vocal shard]

The t word? Lmao wat

Saying tupper is fine

Cmon

[thorny totem]

It's offensive !

[vocal shard]

Oh shi

[thorny totem]

;)

[vocal shard]

is it true that vrchat only uses 1 core of the cpu

I'm scurreed now 👀

[ruby needle]

kinda yes 😛

[vocal shard]

i love it

does anyone have that image where it shows off "hyperthreaded" CPUs

but really its just core 0 digging a hole while all the others watch

[ruby needle]

to bad multithreading isn't just a switch you flip to on... which a lot of complaining people think it is

[vocal shard]

i wish it was

i wish the great pug ran better again

i used to be able to hit 90 while on desktop

now i get like

60 while on desktop

[thorny totem]

crowded places right, open a private instance and you'll get your 90's back

but seriously optimizations on the pug are not that bad compared to some other

Occlusion culling should be used more often though

[vocal shard]

https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/587085066846670852

[thorny totem]

that's where techs like intel turbo boost max 3 can become handy

[iron jacinth]

So ji

Hi

I just tried VR for first time

Crashed?

[thorny totem]

nah worst he got "mindblown"

[iron jacinth]

Nope

It wasn't good really

[vocal shard]

How dare you

[iron jacinth]

Maybe my brain is too hard to trick

Everything felt fairly 2d

[thorny totem]

or your eyes are completly...hmm

[shy nest]

or the fact that this is early VR hardware so putting your expectations high is stupid

[iron jacinth]

Well yeah

I think I'm doing something wrong lol

[thorny totem]

have you tested with a cardboard?

not possible i know but

[vocal shard]

Most of em should look 2.5D or 2.75D even thought they are 3D because of their style

[shy nest]

what exactly are you using for vr?

[iron jacinth]

I also see a black border around

Wmr

Lenovo one

[shy nest]

[iron jacinth]

😏

What

[thorny totem]

never tested the lenovo, but yes if you don't have a proper stereoscopy something is wrong, either with your hardware, your eyes or your brain. Happen

[iron jacinth]

Well it kinda works

I wouldn't call it mind-blowing

Or better than The cardboard even

[vocal shard]

So.... Having a Lenovo or Google Cardboard VR headset on your head is the same as playing on a flat screen? While using a Oculus or Vive gives you a 180° tv view?

[iron jacinth]

No

Who said that?

[vocal shard]

I'm asking, not stating

[iron jacinth]

The screen in the Lenovo is essentially the same with more resolution

As the vive and rift

It is the same . The difference is how the tracking works

And thats all fine

[thorny totem]

and the panels

[iron jacinth]

Well it's lcd

[thorny totem]

lcd vs oled

[iron jacinth]

Vs oled

[vocal shard]

The monitors efficiency also matters

[iron jacinth]

Yeah but that won't effect the VR

[thorny totem]

not much, less constrasty i would say, but question you're using both eyes right? (no making fun of you, i have a friend who actually have a blind eye and use a headset)

[vocal shard]

They would have Narrow Vision right?

[thorny totem]

yes but no stereoscopy at all, meaning no depht perception

for him it's like looking at a flat screen, which is normal

[vocal shard]

I was about to ask that xD

[thorny totem]

;)

[vocal shard]

!online

[floral flax]

There are 6328 users in VRChat currently

[iron jacinth]

I have some steroescopy

It's just not like real life?

[ruby needle]

ofc not

[thorny totem]

ok so it's all about expectations then as Helton said, come back in 2072 it'll surely be lifelike

[ruby needle]

not even that long but definitely some years

[iron jacinth]

Lok

[thorny totem]

decades ;) is the minimum for consumers

[ruby needle]

a dekade or two but not like 50 year

[thorny totem]

yes not 50 ;). but vr is around since 1987 it's definatly not on a moore's curve here :P

[ruby needle]

consumer vr no

and the tech wasn't ready for it in 1987 😛

thats like running games on old room scale bank computers

[thorny totem]

but it was there, and the tech today if far from ready for lifelike contents

[ruby needle]

is it tho

the current gen games can get really good

[hybrid spire]

@tacit plank slr

2 hrs

[thorny totem]

yes still talking about consumer perspective ;) though. And games look good no doubt but not there yet