#vrchat-general-2 | VRChat | Page 449

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:21 PM

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yeah the new sdk update is nice

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 5:22 PM

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MIDI SUPPORT YES

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 5:23 PM

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meh

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 5:23 PM

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BLESSED BE YOU, BASED DEVS

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:23 PM

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OSC too, so you can set up a button to be pressed on your phone.. and affect your world

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zeon_shock

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:23 PM

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what are these safety and security fixes, what is the point of patch notes when you only get to read the cover

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 5:24 PM

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cirBaka

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:24 PM

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If you're clever I'm sure you could set up Alexa/Google Home to interact with VRChat 🙃

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Welp

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Time to waste hours and hours into doing that

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Lol Tupper what did you said about 'buttons' again? =D

cold talon Jun 12, 2018, 5:25 PM

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oh my

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:25 PM

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They're purposely left vague Elen.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Now only to find enough hours to do that

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:25 PM

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am still waiting for the bandwidth usage to be fixed so i can speak, hear and download avatars again

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:25 PM

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"Bandwidth usage"?

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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right let me explain tupper

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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That's almost always due to your home connection-- our servers have been pretty stable and haven't had issues

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Isn't there a thing about that, something about bad routing to aws or something

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Yeah, there's not much we can do about shoddy routing. :S

soft nova Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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what sort of things can you do with this midi support? i have a midi keyboard

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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Probably play the piano

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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yes cirBaka

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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before the update of adding the fancy cameras and such i was able to speak, hear and download avatars all at the same time with my crappy 3.15Mb/s download (300kbs)

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:27 PM

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You can create a MIDI keyboard in your world. So you could play instruments, tell objects to go visible/invisible, etc.

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 5:27 PM

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or imagine secret funktions which are hidden in midi triggers

rapid heath Jun 12, 2018, 5:27 PM

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that's very useful for musicians actually

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:27 PM

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but when the update came for the cameras and such it's no longer possible

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:28 PM

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3Mb is plenty

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:28 PM

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Unfortunately our minimum specs require a "broadband internet connection" which is typically used to refer to connections of >= 25Mbit

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3Mbit will present some.. issues

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The camera update didn't really do much that increased bandwidth usage.

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:28 PM

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it decreased fps though. 😉 (Which got fixed)

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:28 PM

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well if you watch a stream and do something else

crimson cobalt Jun 12, 2018, 5:29 PM

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@wide quail i only use vrchat 🤷🏻

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:29 PM

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well if the camera update did apparently nothing i can refer you to some of my friends that will tell you other wise as i was like i said able to speak, hear and download avatars all at the same time at the cost of positional updates

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:30 PM

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What I want is single avatar downloading but that would be pretty low on the board to-do.

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:30 PM

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that's another thing, if ONE avatar is downloading in a small room i lose connection which was never an issue

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:31 PM

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complaining here is going to achieve nothing. If you are below the minimum specs the devs aren't going to support you

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:31 PM

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you should give an option to select the uspeak bitrate for lower connections at best

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:31 PM

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it's pretty low currently

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24k

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any lower and people will sound like robots.

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:32 PM

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tidus if i dont complain then no one will know my issue, instead of hiding in a hole about it

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Elen, have you tried contacting support@vrchat.com?

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Also when will we will be able to connect our VRC worlds and website with IFTTT :^)

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:32 PM

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but doing it here isn't going to do anything. Thats why they have the canny

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:32 PM

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Oclac, I'm pretty sure with a OSC companion app of some kind you could probably do IFTTT right now

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:33 PM

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VRChat plus IFTTT would be pretty neat

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:33 PM

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24k is low, but could be halfed, for really extrem cases, better having a cringy sound than nothing? on demand of course

fresh tiger Jun 12, 2018, 5:33 PM

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PLAYMAKER WHEN TUPPER

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:33 PM

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GWupuGuriThinking
Now you say it, IFTTT has options to connect OSC products so it can really work

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Ow boy

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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@fresh tiger SOON (TM)

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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i have not, no, but more than likely you wont be able to do anything for me as my internet provider are, excuse my language "fucking arseholes" 3.15Mb down and 0.35Mb up... please end me

fresh tiger Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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Playmaker isn't going to happen

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if you bought it. you're SOL.

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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yup, not much the devs can do about shitty internet

fresh tiger Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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TUPPER TELL US HE'S WRONG

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:34 PM

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They're doing more advanced Triggers.

fresh tiger Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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I FIND YOUR LACK OF FAITH

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TRIGGERING

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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the exchange is 3miles away and the cable is good for 2miles and farmers like to dig where the cable is layed

fresh tiger Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Why do farmers even still farm

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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trying to play an online game with less than 1 mb upload speed is asking for a bad time

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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Can someone mute this guy^? TY

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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@fresh tiger Chill a bit, ty

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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i live in scotland btw

fresh tiger Jun 12, 2018, 5:35 PM

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tell us he's wrong tupper

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TEll us that playmaker is still coming out

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:36 PM

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in the middle of the country heh

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:36 PM

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He probably wont reply but it's not, I swear my useless VRChat account on it.

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:36 PM

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but i will write and email about my issue so lets see what happens

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:38 PM

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I mean, you can write them, but don't expect much. Minimum specs exist for a reason

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:38 PM

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True Tidus, but you know, it's also a forward thinking, it force you to optimize and squizz and use every trick to maybe in the futur make it work on your fridge, you smart watch etc, so much potential (nah i don't beleive what i just said)

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:39 PM

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if 25Mbit is the min spec then i call BS

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am running 300-400KB/s if no one is home

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:39 PM

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what

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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it takes me 1hour to 1GB

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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KB/s? r u srs?

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Now lets see how hard it would be to make an ismple IFTTT for VRC GWtogaTheSaddest

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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yes tidus

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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Who needs to finish up there school exam projects anyway

orchid relic Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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So these new midi updates

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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that is how SHITTY BT broadband is

orchid relic Jun 12, 2018, 5:40 PM

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do they allow note velocity and stuff to pass through or is it just on and off?

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:41 PM

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there was a time when the cable was not connected it had been cut but was still touching somehow still worked

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in 6 places

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:41 PM

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I honestly don't see how you are expecting a decent online gaming experience with those speeds

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:41 PM

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oh i kick ass online

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i have learned to adapt to lag

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insert bane meme here

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min spec for Battlefield games is less than my internet

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:42 PM

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because BF doesn't download stuff all the time

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you're only transferring positional and ability data

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:43 PM

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true

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:43 PM

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I know you're not U.S., but FCC defines minimum broadband speeds as 4Mb/s and 1Mb/s upload

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:43 PM

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i wish i had that

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i wish i had 700KBs download cause it would double my speed

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i would happly accept donated internet speeds if it were possible

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:44 PM

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I feel privileged with my FTTH

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:45 PM

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better internet than 99% of <insert any country here>

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:45 PM

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yea guys if you ever feel like your internet speed is too slow just remember my internet speed and feel lucky for what you have

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:46 PM

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@floral aspen Actually the definition changed a few years ago. 25Mbit is considered broadband.

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:46 PM

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so do i have top of the line dial up then?

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hahaha

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:46 PM

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Actually yeah, mid-range DSL is around 3Mbit 😃

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/broadband-speed-guide

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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damn

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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and DSL is glorified dial-up, to ditch a ton of technicalities

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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this is where I got the info from

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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see what is actually funny there is fiber optic south of me a mile away

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Gaming is considered "moderate use", which is 12-25Mbit

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https://www.fcc.gov/research-reports/guides/household-broadband-guide

Federal Communications Commission

Household Broadband Guide

Use the chart below to compare minimum download speed (Mbps) needs for light, moderate and high household use with one, two, three or four devices

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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and they cant section it off

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:47 PM

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These numbers are rough guidelines

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:48 PM

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"apparently" in 2020 the UK is getting a minimum of 10Mb up and down

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i highly doubt it

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anyways time to write this email

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Uk in 2020 :^)

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:49 PM

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Yes they will at least if the want the EU funds ;)

lilac swan Jun 12, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Used to play with 200kb/s for several years, now I have 200/100mbs. Feels incredible.

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:55 PM

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i know a person that has 340MBytes down

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it takes him 31seconds for a GB

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:56 PM

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nothing compared to the people who get 900 on up&down. 😩

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 5:56 PM

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giant middle finger is always sent his way lol

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right sending the email

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:57 PM

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the city I lived in before I moved had 1Gb/s internet

lilac swan Jun 12, 2018, 5:57 PM

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I'm just glad I don't have to leave my pc on overnight to patch games anymore 😭

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 5:57 PM

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i could have gigabit... could beeing i would need a shit ton of money cirBaka

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 5:57 PM

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hi i run a gaming-focussed ISP in aus, i promise one household doesn't push anywhere close to 12mbps for gaming traffic. downloads? sureeee. but if we only really see 400mbps of real traffic on peak for 75-100k-ish players on every game server you can think of...

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numbers don't match up mr. pai

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Pai wasn't chairman at the time FCC established those standards, TBF

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 5:58 PM

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either way

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everyone deserves gigabit

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:58 PM

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keep in mind that "gaming" nowadays also includes downloading lots of content

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thanks to Steam and etc

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 5:58 PM

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yeah

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that's actually reasonable but my problem is NBNCo in aus is pushing the same bs

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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@safe prism go to sleep. 😉

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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also keep in mind that the people who made those standards are probably hella old and out of touch

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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i'm american i'm not sleepy

open oriole Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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For some reason I already did the update but now I can't see anyone in a world at all. Is there something I'm missing?

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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i've got 1000/35 and my network idles at like 10-15mbit usage

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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wait what, it IDLES at 10-15?

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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damn, whats your ISP Tupper?

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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comcast blobvomiting

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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They need to update too @open oriole

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 5:59 PM

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😦

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 6:00 PM

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currently hanging at 12mbps bursts, usually 2mbps with 1000/1000

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

open oriole Jun 12, 2018, 6:00 PM

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What do you mean

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 6:00 PM

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There's Muncip fiber within like 4 blocks of my house but im just a bit too far

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 6:00 PM

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@open oriole you're up to date, they are not, you will not see them until they do

open oriole Jun 12, 2018, 6:00 PM

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Hmm... okay...

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But I went into a public world I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who did the update

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But I'll check again

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 6:01 PM

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Download: ~180 Mbps
Upload: ~20 Mbps

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At normal usage within the house

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Welcome to Dutch internet providers

open oriole Jun 12, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Nvm I got it

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:02 PM

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@lilac swan still doing that haha i want to download the new deus ex game i bought but its gonna take 6 nighttime downloads haha

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 6:02 PM

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Seriously guys add an ingame messaging "god mod" for admins telling everyone to update ;), it's getting old

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 6:02 PM

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They can message everyone

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 6:03 PM

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cool but did they ^^

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:03 PM

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did i mention that there are parts of scotland that dont even have internet cables down

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 6:03 PM

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I said can.

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:03 PM

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that's how shit our providers are

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 6:03 PM

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yes i got that ;)

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:04 PM

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also alt f4 still crashes the game and not closing it

lilac swan Jun 12, 2018, 6:04 PM

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Got a friend in Scotland who unfortunately has to deal with that aswell

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:04 PM

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haha

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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I lived in rural Texas for most of my life. No cable out there. Had to deal with shitty satellite internet

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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tbh satellite would be probably better for me

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lol

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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no it wouldn't. The latency would kill you

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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you'll get 400ms to everything

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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welp

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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you think you're laggy now? Satellite is worse

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 6:05 PM

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one of the major links between west aus to southeast asia and slightly beyond gets cut by accident every 3 months :^)

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 6:06 PM

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gaming was not possible for me on satellite internet

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:06 PM

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i think i'd travel to the nasa station and borrow their internet for 5mins to update everything and leave lol they got like 90Gbits + there

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:06 PM

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wont help

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:07 PM

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i could probably annoy everyone even more here

still lark Jun 12, 2018, 6:07 PM

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90Gbits to their own servers. 😉

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:07 PM

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no download server will give you that bandwith cirBaka

rocky blaze Jun 12, 2018, 6:07 PM

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my set up is entirely wireless

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hahaha

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keyboard, mouse and wifi

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and i can still outplay other people haha

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 6:08 PM

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get a 100g bilat with google and amazon and then you can download everything at 90gbps sure :^)

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 6:08 PM

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bilat?

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 6:08 PM

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bilateral peering

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 6:09 PM

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ohhh

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 6:09 PM

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<not neteng pls don't question

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am lowly tech lead

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 6:13 PM

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my avatar is taking soooooooo long to upload

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 6:13 PM

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and then you realize that half of the global bandwidht is used for P and spam, way to go Humans =P

wicked dust Jun 12, 2018, 6:41 PM

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logging on into vrchat, a notification greets me with

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You have access to your custom world thing.

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what does that mean

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 6:43 PM

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That you now cna upload worlds and avatars

odd crown Jun 12, 2018, 6:46 PM

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VRchat does randomly what i was hoping for Guildwars2 to do for like 3 years. I might have to pay a visit to the piano world now

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:49 PM

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who needs midi when you can emulate keypresses anyway cirBaka

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 6:50 PM

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it's more for VR users i'd assume

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:51 PM

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how so 😄

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in both cases i play on my midi keyboard

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only thing that propably will change is a better inputt response

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 6:51 PM

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That stuff is only for worlds

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Atleast from how i understood it

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:52 PM

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yes, for example the piano simulation world

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additionally to keyboard hook's it can now also implement the midi thing

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but a lot of keyboard players have already played with a midi keyboard using a translation programm turning the midi messages into keyboard key presses 😄

wicked dust Jun 12, 2018, 6:53 PM

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a midi message?

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:54 PM

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midi message is the equivalent of a key event

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aka... pressing da button cirBaka

lilac swan Jun 12, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Live shows will be bit more interesting I bet

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:54 PM

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i dont think that piano it self is benefiting most from it

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but rather objects and other stuff

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like a light slider, or even full controll for a light show

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imagine a world actually implementing a DJ deck

wicked dust Jun 12, 2018, 6:55 PM

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i wonder how getting a midi keyboard works

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:55 PM

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?

wicked dust Jun 12, 2018, 6:55 PM

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my bad english

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aaaaa

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 6:55 PM

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Midi keyboards are legit keyboards with an usb plug

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:55 PM

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or midi outputs

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 6:56 PM

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You just get a program and tada you cna read what is being pressed

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:56 PM

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and you use a interface to translate it to a usb midi device

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 6:56 PM

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Could also use OSC and just use a phone/tablet

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:56 PM

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a midi message has a very big advantage over normal keyboad key events tho, and that is a velocity value

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its not just 0/1 but a lot more states

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 6:57 PM

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does vrchat accept the velocity component?

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:58 PM

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the thing just came out

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so i dont expect anyone beeing able to answere cirBaka

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 6:58 PM

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i know we get multiple channels

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didn't know about touch sesitivity

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 6:59 PM

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touch sensitivity is just one thing it can be used for

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but knobs or faders are the other thing it can be used for

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which would add a really nice controll surface

sterile prawn Jun 12, 2018, 7:00 PM

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alright I cant tkae this

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:00 PM

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for example for meeting / podcast worlds

sterile prawn Jun 12, 2018, 7:00 PM

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im headed home early to paruse through this update

tender nova Jun 12, 2018, 7:02 PM

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so like, are these security fixes substantial? i get that's a broad question but i'm hoping that we'll see less theft

lilac swan Jun 12, 2018, 7:03 PM

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"Many safety and security fixes have been implemented" from the patch notes. Since they specifically used the word "many" I would assume so.

flint parcel Jun 12, 2018, 7:04 PM

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How long do I have to wait to publish a model?

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Being allowed to upload is based on reaching a certain trust score which's exact algorithm is unknown to prevent exploitation.

You presumably need to play the game in a normal manner, walking around, meeting people and also makeing some friends. Idling wont help.
According to many responses in this discord the typical time it takes seems to be between 20-40 hours but big exceptions are possible.

Make sure you are not logged in to your steam account by accident and play the game until you get a notification or e-mail.

http://help.vrchat.com/knowledge_base/topics/why-cant-i-upload-avatars-or-worlds-yet

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Kinda sucks cause I have 200 Avatars and am sick of filling my account with them just to add to my world.

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😭

flint parcel Jun 12, 2018, 7:06 PM

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Alright thank you, yeah I was logged into steam for a long time, and I've been wanting to know how to make models, and i made one and I haven't been able to upload it! Thanks a lot1

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 7:09 PM

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Yeah avatar folders would by nice, or at least a favorites menu. world owners have it hard 😛

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:09 PM

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why do people have so many of them

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do you even play as them or just let them rott after initial creation?

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it's nice to have a hand full to chose from

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Oh hey Steam released the beta for the new chat.. and look who's in the top of the friends list playing their favorite game https://steamcommunity.com/updates/chatupdate (mouseover favorites)

New friends list, voice, and chat features

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:10 PM

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but when i hear of people, having 50+ avatars... (Not including avatar world makers)

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:11 PM

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hundreds of players use my avatars daily. So they are being used. Secondly I do switch to a good amount of avatars as I get requested to show off my stuff. I'm kind of known for a lot of my avatars on top of being a world creator.

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Right now I'm working on making an avatar with a built in character creation that lets you change between hairs styles etc on a single avatar.

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:12 PM

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cirThink

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 7:13 PM

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Every example has them GWnanamiRankoPog

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 7:13 PM

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What I do is reupload my main avatar to shove it to the front of the list for easy access

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 PM

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i'd just kill for 4 rows and ability to hide the defaults or something. 😦

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or a private tab and public tab

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so ones i have set as private can aka personal ones can be scrolled easier

royal pond Jun 12, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Folders would be nice

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:15 PM

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Folders would require information such as a text file stored on PC or database to remember what's in it.

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 7:16 PM

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Well its probably just some list of keys already. a json list would not be a huge difference

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:17 PM

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If that was possible and they let us have a world that could generate a text document/file that stores data man that'd be great. Imagine a home world like the default VRCHome that let you move furniture or toggle different wallpapers. The document would load when you spawn setting it how you want.

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 7:18 PM

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can't you already do programming like that?

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:18 PM

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As in make scripts that VRC has whitelist that allow it? Don't think so.

royal pond Jun 12, 2018, 7:18 PM

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When they mentioned home is like an apartment I was thinking of it having like a bathroom with a tub and shower lol

frozen trout Jun 12, 2018, 7:18 PM

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best i can think of is

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object and world sync so when you load in. you can flip a few switches on the wall to set your room up how you like it each time. And then people loading in see the set up

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:22 PM

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@royal pond well, set your home to a map that hast thoose cirBaka

royal pond Jun 12, 2018, 7:23 PM

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@ruby needle I was gonna make one actually haha

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 7:23 PM

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👌 cirPrise

sacred venture Jun 12, 2018, 7:44 PM

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hey guys

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 7:55 PM

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hello

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:05 PM

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So,I was locked from uploading content and taking avatars from private worlds. I've not been kicked from any world, blocked by anyone or reported by anyone I spend time with or know. So what exactly happened?

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:06 PM

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probably had an avatar with too many polys

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:06 PM

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nope

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:07 PM

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shrug

tropic orbit Jun 12, 2018, 8:07 PM

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at least u aren't temp banned/ip temp banned by a hacker

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:07 PM

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I have a papryus that lets me know when someone tries to modify my files

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I blocked you the other day

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why lie?

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 8:09 PM

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wait does the content lock now also prevent you to take avatars from a private world's pedestral?

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I don't even know you.

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 8:09 PM

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irrelevant

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you can block ppl from anywhere

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Yeah cool, I've never seen or met you, so you could be lying.

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 8:10 PM

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that's my point, you make claims about things you can't even know

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👀

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:10 PM

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@ruby needle just means if someone makes something private only they can see that stuff

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:10 PM

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Um

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Preoblem with your statement is, I stick to friends+ worlds

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and none of my friends have blocked me

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Or arte you saying the system is flawed

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and random blocks count

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 8:11 PM

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you can block ppl from anywhere if you look em up

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Ok?

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So you're saying VRChat can punish you

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if people just block you for no reason

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 8:11 PM

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cirno_shrug

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:11 PM

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people do that

ruby needle Jun 12, 2018, 8:11 PM

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not is a single person does it no

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the routine isn't that stupid cus a random block here and there just happens for some

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:12 PM

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those deus vult people block most lolis

magic osprey Jun 12, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Well then VRChat needs to come up with a better system, this one is ripe with abuse and broken.

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I don't use Loli avatars...

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:12 PM

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as long as people dont have VR crashers or flashbangs, I leave them alone

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:21 PM

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So uploading for other people is bannable?

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im still confusion on this topic

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unless its just frowned upon or something

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:22 PM

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frowned upon due to security risks

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but I have had people upload for me, albiet i know them outside vrchat and changed passwords after they used it

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but still frowned upon nonetheless

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Logging in someone else's account flags you as alts of each other. if one gets banned both will be banned. so its a very bad idea.
If you do comissions, send them the unity package and let them upload it themselves.

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:32 PM

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@languid beacon What if i have 200$ worth of assets i dont want people having?

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Don't send it to them?

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Keep em in a drive or dropbox

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:33 PM

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You can export your own custum unity package having only what they need.

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Il just wait for this gifting thing

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Although im not sure how the gifting would work if you pay someone

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i could just send it and never get my money

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:34 PM

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that may not be for assets or the works

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putting items into a unity package works better

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Well it's the same risk as always, no?

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:35 PM

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no

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:35 PM

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especially online

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:35 PM

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i have there account info

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i can just remove it

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:35 PM

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I wouldn't even upload anything till they pay you for your work

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:35 PM

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I let them play with it and find stuff they dislike before i take payment

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newer models arent like that tho

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Comissioner should he paid before delivery in my book. I've always both paid first and asked to be paid first.

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:36 PM

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I guess il do that instead

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and do fixes if there asked

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i have trouble with the idea of sending a package that can be sent to anyone else

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i sell em for like 200$ and dont want it being sent for free to other people

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:37 PM

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well in most cases after they pay for it, the files are technically theirs per ownership

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:37 PM

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or use paypal's services fee so they cancel the transaction and eat the fee for them

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:37 PM

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so they'd be free to share after they buy it off you

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That would be like saying someone buys a game from gamestop but gamestop says they can't let a friend play the game

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:38 PM

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I would have to charge more

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i have 50$ + of shaders on a model

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it just doesnt make sense to me

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:38 PM

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full body custom models go for about 300. Going any higher and you'd lose business

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:39 PM

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I create animations and particle systems

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i dont even mess with blender

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:39 PM

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still though, once the avatar is made and the transaction is finished, they'd be able to share it if they want

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Sounds kinda fishy

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:39 PM

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I know there is an avatar thats got hearts and music to it thats spreading around

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:39 PM

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300 is on the cheap side depending on quality

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:40 PM

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that was someone's custom avatar

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That's why, if you wanna counter it, you put up commissions on a public avatar lobby or something

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Id rather be frowned upon , the likely hood of me being banned isnt to high because i dont hack

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Well if they pay for a comission they can do what they want with it right? it's theirs

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:41 PM

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they payed for a model

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not my assets

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it would be way more expensive to give them everything

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:42 PM

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aye, your assets you keep to yourself

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:42 PM

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I guess I don't understand what you mean by assets.

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:42 PM

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but the model itself would be free to share

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her shaders, bone presets, hair, eyes, fingernails, clothes

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etc

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Assets is bascially anything yeah

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animations , swords

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:42 PM

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swords would be questionable unless you made them yourself

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but most people who make swords have their name on em

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:43 PM

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I do buy them

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for like 15$

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Yeah I'm not seeing the separation. In my mind, that's all part of the model you are giving them, so you should ether charge more, or not include them.

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:43 PM

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off model sites

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If it was just creating a model it would be easy

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 8:45 PM

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And make sure you only use purchased assets that you have a licence to distribute & profit from

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:45 PM

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oorrr, I have noticed. people tags on commissions, like "made by" or "made for ,by, "

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:49 PM

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That wouldnt be a bad idea

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:50 PM

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some people even use the avatar pictures to do it

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"avatar created by - for -, if anyone else is seen using it please report"

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so in this case it would be "Avatar created by Whiisper for Mama Mercy, if anyone else is seen using it please report"

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Soooooo apparently ppl have no music/sound in clubs e.o its not only me. What happens 😮

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*happend

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:54 PM

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that would work but if sent them a project

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they could easily remove it no?

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i do trust the people i upload to

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so i guess its okay

median basalt Jun 12, 2018, 8:55 PM

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If you give people the project, they can essentially do whatever they want with it

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They can remove any watermark you put on

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 8:55 PM

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They could also add crashes and i get all the blame

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isnt this the opposite of solving a problem?

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this is super risky buisness now

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why would they even add this

neat storm Jun 12, 2018, 8:58 PM

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ikd

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idk

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and yes, it is confirmed club music is broken atm @vocal shard

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:06 PM

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case 1 you made the model from scratch then you remain the only owner of the right, unless you say so and people basically pay for the right to use it. Case 2 You make some modifications on someone else property without permission and make money from it then you are in trouble. @silent wolf

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:07 PM

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If its a model that says it can be used for vrc

sterile prawn Jun 12, 2018, 9:07 PM

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"p

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:07 PM

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i change it dramatically so its fine

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it goes from regular girl to full on demon mode

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we good

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:08 PM

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if the creator say you can make modification and use it in vrchat, then and only then it is fine

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making modification without the express authorizations is not ok, from a law pov i mean

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fair use and intellectual property is not something to play with, it could cost you a ton of money at the end.

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:18 PM

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I dont really know how they could find out

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so uh

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good luck

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and the models arent even visually the same so telling the models apart is impossible

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People arent gonna buy models from me just to tell a deviant art creator i used his 1 hour project model

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they use mmd so its not considered there work either and they arent aloud to sell it

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:19 PM

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you never know

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:20 PM

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I could just say i created a model exactly the same using mmd

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there isnt any copyright on there stuff

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Il be fine Kane

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😃

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If there is a download i can do anything there rules dont mean anything its just for themselves to feel better

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Deviant art and mmd dont state anything that they say is true

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:21 PM

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no copyright doesn t mean no property right

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Until they come at me i dont care

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if they do il give them money idgaf

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:21 PM

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your choice i guess

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:22 PM

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You can go in vrchat and complain to alot of players

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i change models

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people just upload them

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most rules say re distriution is fine if its changed

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:23 PM

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it's not fine

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:24 PM

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There isnt a point in talking about this

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you dont make models that i use

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:24 PM

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you don't know that

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:25 PM

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lol

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you can educate whoever you

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you have no idea what my models even are and if there aloud in vrchat or not

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so what does it matter to me

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if you catch me in game come talk with me and then we can actually have a discussion about something that matters for now it doesnt.

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:28 PM

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just remember that someone at least took the time to tell you the risks, for the rest it's up to you. For a real creator you're a case of easy money, 1 lawsuit 1 juicy pack of free money

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Ive heard these risk along time ago

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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lawsuites are not easy though

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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that's not how law works

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lmao

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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And you often dont gain any more from it

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Deviant art creators wouldnt file a lawsuit its to much work

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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and if you get money-- you still need to pay your lawyer and shit 😂

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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they make models online that take an hour

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from an mmd program

rapid heath Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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lawsuits require money for both parties involved..... that's why not everybody does them

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:29 PM

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in most places private use isn't even illegal without permission

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and for a good reason, it's literally impossible to prosecute more often than not anyway

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:30 PM

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they just slap parts from other models most of time

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actual models are sold online

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:30 PM

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You also need to have lost something to sue...
Cant sue for emotional damage~

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:31 PM

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oof

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:31 PM

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I lost my oc char I publicy gave away for free online for anything but vrc

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🤔

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:32 PM

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Just uh file a lawsuit for a lot of money

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In hopes of getting nothing back

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:33 PM

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@rapid heath depend where you live, here it's free for these small cases - @umbral reef depend where you live too. Not true in EU.

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 9:33 PM

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I'm Canadian

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people dont care what I do

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Still, you do not have damages
Need to find the information
Have taken legal action before towards the user using it
(Via certified and signing mail)

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And cant even sue over the country borders so...

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Its as useless as it can be the small claims court for internet things

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:35 PM

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intellectual property and prejudice you should google that Oclac.

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:35 PM

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you should check private use of ip laws

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smh

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:35 PM

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Just because you can sue for something does not mean its a proper reason to do

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But if you make something you have an insta free copyright onto it
If you want to sue with that copyright... Well goodluck its hard to gain money

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:36 PM

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the reason doesn't matter, your rights do

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:37 PM

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You need to sign it up first and have it be cofirmed and everything to get any cash really

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Yea--
Say that to the normal joe trying to sue an ISP or Apple for fucking them over
Or that poor person being bullied legally by a rich cuck

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And legal things are a god awefull pain when it comes to going over country borders

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:39 PM

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but it's not even your right

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NotLikeMegu

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Kane you ever wonder why no one has heard of any lawsuits as a direct result of content used in VRChat? Its because 1. Its a legal gray zone that isn't easily enforced, and 2. Its not worth the trouble of a lawsuit because the damages you'd receive (if you can even prove that there are damages) would be negligible

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:40 PM

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ppl would spam the shit out of that stuff to hold back more relevant proceedings

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:40 PM

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@umbral reef depend where you live maybe, here it's just a question of filling 1 page worth of paper and you're set.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Im all for rights of creators and there are plenty of laws that protect when it comes to websites (contacting the website owner to even getting it taken down by there host...)
But within VRC its a grey zone and you dont obtain damages

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:41 PM

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^

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:41 PM

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And again--
Just because you can and that its an option does not mean its practical able to be done

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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You'd have to actually prove in court that there was damages against you. Good luck actually proving it

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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I been in the shoes before where i was legally right but could not do shit GWnanamiLaceShrug

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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VRC devs are asking you not to do it because when one of your customers gets hit with a 4 year ban, so will you, and when you tell them what happened, what are they going to say? If they let you back in, that's the same excuse every hacker will use.

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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no it's not a grey zone in VRChat, they are quite clear about that, one complaint and your avatar is shut down

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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Really?

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:42 PM

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yes

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:43 PM

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its a legal gray zone

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Id love to see any time that the VRC team took down an avatar because of legal reasons

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:43 PM

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as would I

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:43 PM

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ask an admin or a mod

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:43 PM

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I aint pining them LUL

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:44 PM

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yeah, let me just ping a mod for some petty shit

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:44 PM

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The staff themself wont comment on shit like that and big odds would not even know if they are within this discord

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And the chat mods do not handle VRC game things most of the time

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:44 PM

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and even if they did

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doesn't say anything about the law

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:45 PM

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it's in compliance with the laws...why would they if not for that...

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:46 PM

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To be fair--
It would be just a remove, wait 20 seconds, reupload kinda thing

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Um. The devs are here. They run the discord... they've commented in this channel.. they are the red names. Two are reading this.

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:46 PM

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but yes, up to you guys ;) , i do my models from scratch so, not a personal issue for me

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:46 PM

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you think models from scratch can't be ip'd ?

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lol

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:46 PM

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Adeon check how much i talk within this discord--
I know that.. But mentioning them for pitty things like this is a dumb thing to do

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You should only mention them for big proper emergencies

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Like there servers being on fire

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:47 PM

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if we were to ping them for this, they'd just tell us not to ping them for this kind of stuff

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:47 PM

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And then really on fire as IRL

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:47 PM

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there is patents on stupid stuff like the loops sonic run trough

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:47 PM

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oh yes i just thought they were saying this is some fan discord

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 9:47 PM

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so if you make something like that simmilarly like you

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yourself*

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you can still be fucked

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at least in your world

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👀

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but ey throw in a passive agressive smiley

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:)

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 9:49 PM

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oh no, IP business shenanigans

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:50 PM

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see the thing is, I've seen several sonic worlds ripped straight from the games. Nothing has happened because the devs aren't here to enforce the law. If the companies want to they can file a cease and desist, but they aren't going to file a lawsuit because it isn't worth it. And VRChat is a small community so big companies won't even see it

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worrying over IP stuff is pointless

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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also i doubt a random mmd model maker could fill a lawsuit for something they put up for free download

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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VRC aint legally responsible for the stuff ya upload
Atleast with the avatars it is super clear as you even mark the stuff you upload as yours

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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shit, I have to worry about that kind of stuff for my project.

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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why is that Pr2?

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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making a cinematic game

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outside vrc of course

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:51 PM

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at best they would tell you to shut it down

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you really think they'd fill a lawsuit on you?

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they would end up losing money

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Just because you can download something for free does not mean it is unlicenced and you can do as you please.

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:52 PM

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look at all the fan games that get shut down. Companies file a cease and desist letter, they don't go straight for the lawsuit because they know they wouldn't get anything out of it

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:52 PM

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@languid beacon just because you ripped assets off of other models and put them into one doesnt mean you can sue other people for using it

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:52 PM

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Big odds you even get thrown out of court if you did not submit a Cease and desists first

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:53 PM

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@jaunty apex of course yes

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:53 PM

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European and American lawyers do not like it if you just want to grab money instead of applying your rights so~

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:53 PM

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well thats the case for every mmd model

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 9:53 PM

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lol, mmd models

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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@jaunty apex but you also don't know the licence of the content you ripped, while they cannot sue you, you don't have the right to use it, either.

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Not to mention like I said before, you would have to prove legally that there were monetary damages incurred against you. No one is selling these assets and making money off of them and them being used in VRChat isn't going to interfere with sales so a case like this stands a good chance at getting thrown out

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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funny because most of the assets are ripped off of other games

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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@Tidus big games companies put their popularity in the balance too, will enforcing the removal of x asset from the game make them a bad name etc... . For an Indie creator or an Artist it's a question of survival, not exactly the same.

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:54 PM

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most mmd model makers dont actually do anything

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they rip stuff and claim it as their own

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so they can't use the "you have no right to use this"

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Kane say that to Nintendo

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They are cunts when it comes to there IP

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:55 PM

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i know

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 9:55 PM

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japan is serious when it comes to IP

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:55 PM

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And do they get reallly bad pr for it? Not really... Because if you talk to much shit they just cut you out

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 9:56 PM

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@jaunty apex They can most certainly can say it, and it's true, you don't have the right to use it. They just have no grounds to stop you, because it's not theirs either.

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 9:56 PM

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basically yeah

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so people do as they please

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:57 PM

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Until you're in the other side and create by yourself

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then you change.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Yeano

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I been on both sides GWnanamiLaceShrug

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 9:58 PM

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i mean look at Vrchat and people crying because the bad hacker STOLL their avatars, how funny is that, not even theirs in the first place.

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 9:58 PM

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^

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 9:58 PM

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Gotten shit for using other peeps there things
Gave out shit for peeps using my things
Was powerless against peeps using my things

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And for VRC avatar
Used an model that could be allowed for it
Fixed up parts of the model and added my selfmade animations with self made objects to it

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Also got that nicked so i also know how that feels~

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

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everything i make is either made by me or WTFPL'd and given out WTFPL'd.

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

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meh, im the type of person that makes something and then releases it publically

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Kane whatever you are talking about doesnt make any sense

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People put 30+ hours into an avatar its there avatar

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its like saying using unity assets to make a game doesnt count as a real game

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:00 PM

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no it's not.

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in the case of mmd

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

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asset flipping :<

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

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same would apply for modelers who use parts of other models and use a program to make models

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they aren't sculpting anything its all base models

jaunty apex Jun 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

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@thorny totem i create by myself

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doesnt change much tbh

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

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actually the stupidest person ive ever heard talk in this discord

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

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I model crap all the time, dont care if someone rips it.

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:02 PM

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sure Pr2Hack if you have no problem with your creation that's more than ok

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but some do care and depending where you live there is laws to protect them, which is ok too.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:04 PM

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Copyright laws apply towards the server it being hosted on btw--

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Or atleast practical copyright law

silent wolf Jun 12, 2018, 10:04 PM

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No laws for me dont give a fuk

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:04 PM

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True Oclac

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this was not supposed to be a drama talk btw, was just to inform some folks and i quote ' who don't give a fuck'

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:09 PM

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i think the argument here is weither or not assembling an avatar out of other people's individiual parts constitutes diritive work or not. I don't believe it does, but I don't know how the law works. If it does, there are specific laws and expections for things that are considered diritive works

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In some cases, the dirivitive work can be copyrighted individually, by it's assembler, separate from any if it's sources. It's theirs.

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Do chimera'd MMD avatars count? I have no idea.

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:15 PM

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To simplify it and in the case of Whiisper he is making money out of it. If it was just for a personal use it could be in the area you defined. But when money is involved, it's not anymore. (btw sorry for the typos, my phone is making me bleed)

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 10:15 PM

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Depends on the licenses for the individual parts. A lot of MMD parts are license-free or use Creative Commons or etc.

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:16 PM

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I come from another game I won't mention here where every user-generated item comes with licences detailing rules for distribution, modification, and duplication. Assembled content had the strictest licence of all it's assembled parts, ie, you could not distribute something you made unless every component was distributable, etc.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Both are still legal grey area's for most of the mmd things GWnanamiLaceShrug

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 10:16 PM

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Always follow the license and if possible contact the author and ask permission for use in VRChat. They're usually happy to respond.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:17 PM

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What adeon said is most often the normal norm for dealing with these things though

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:17 PM

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when there is no profit.

keen mesa Jun 12, 2018, 10:20 PM

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Hey Tupper you are in a comic

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440991185247666176/456194317606715412/1528830183525.png

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love, /vrg/

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:20 PM

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So guys Tupper is here, i thought you had some questions for him, Oclac?

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:23 PM

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Hi Tupper thanks for making VRChat. That is all o/

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VRChat got 3 of my friends to get headsets

covert chasm Jun 12, 2018, 10:25 PM

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I didn't make VRChat NotLikeThis

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Please tupper we all know you build all the AI devs and other VRC people so it looks like you are not the only person working on it GWnanamiIrohaWink

storm roost Jun 12, 2018, 10:26 PM

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can anyone @ me, i curious, what does clearing your cache for vrchat do?

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Can i clone VRChat rename it, change the color code and make money out of it, please say yes Tupper :)

rapid heath Jun 12, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Can you do that with Blender? that's the true question to ask 🤔

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:28 PM

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:)

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Best i can explain it without knowing anything about how the game uses the information really
Cache is just saved avatar information and world information. It saves it on your pc so you wont have to download it again and can load it in faster that way. It can break some loading things though because well-- Magic i guess?

keen mesa Jun 12, 2018, 10:30 PM

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FIX IT TUPPER!

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:32 PM

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If you delete your cache, things will take longer to load the first time you see each thing, because it has to DL it instead of load from your cache. I don't know what is cached to disc and what is just stored in memory, but what I've said is general enough that I could be talking about any game right now.

storm roost Jun 12, 2018, 10:32 PM

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@umbral reef thank u! makes a lot of sense lol xD

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thank u aswell adeon

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:33 PM

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Also- VRC does not clear there cached things
It might be worth to clear the folder once every few months

storm roost Jun 12, 2018, 10:34 PM

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it doesnt matter to me about downloading em again. i download maps pretty quickly. but it makes sense to clear it if i dont even visit old maps that i have been to like months ago

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Well it also does not remove old map versions 👀

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Oh boy! Woke up in the middle of the night again :D! I wonder what weird shit will I say!

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:35 PM

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if you have a super slow HHD, downloading can be faster than loading from cache >_>

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:35 PM

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In an ideal world every update should trigger an automated cache cleaning, based on what i've seen so far.

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Cant be more odd then the average new chatter in here 👀

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:36 PM

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you've been there

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:37 PM

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Do I count as a average new chatter even though I've been here for 1 month?

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 10:38 PM

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I lost track how long ive joined

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:38 PM

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How dare you?!

umbral reef Jun 12, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Same

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:38 PM

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D:

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 10:39 PM

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kind of stopped playing this game until playmaker is out along with a particle limiter for a safety feature.

floral aspen Jun 12, 2018, 10:39 PM

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well you'll be waiting a while then

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 10:39 PM

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yep

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siege and hunt-showdown :>

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Idk about playmaker, but the particle limiter might be a thing in the future

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:48 PM

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i keep hearing playmaker mentioned here. what is it?

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:49 PM

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=playmaker

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pog

indigo fern Jun 12, 2018, 10:50 PM

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I love that thing

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 10:54 PM

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That can be used to troll someone xD

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this is serious

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:56 PM

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ah, flowchart scripting. neat

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i have not really looked into the scripting side of vrchat yet, it's just whitelisted scripts right? can't roll your own code?

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 10:58 PM

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not without playmaker

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or if.. shaders is scripting enough for you~

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 10:58 PM

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you can't for obvious security reasons @languid beacon

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 10:59 PM

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yeah just curious how they got things like ctf working without programming

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:00 PM

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VRChat and security? Oh please

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they cant even handle their own ban system

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 11:00 PM

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vrchat theirselves can upload whatever they want, including scripts

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 11:00 PM

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oh, soulless is back

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:01 PM

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hello person I wrote one sentence to

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:01 PM

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also there was a starfox world with a flying minigame and all

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that was not dev made?

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 11:01 PM

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nope, that's just really clever tricks

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:02 PM

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gottcha. well i'm hype for user scripting then, hope they can find a safe way to allow it, i'd be all over that stuff

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 11:02 PM

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you should try shaders in the meantime, it's a fun place~

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

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i'm not artisitically inclined unfourtunaltely

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

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it's just math

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

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i can just code

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

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artistic parts are for when you figure out everything ehe

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Uhh, what about your imagination?

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Does that help?

north axle Jun 12, 2018, 11:04 PM

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I wish I didn't have as much talent. Being a Renaissance Man is hard, you never know what your thing is.

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:04 PM

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what?

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

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ok i laughed, gj

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

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an inside joke, I suppose.

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

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and he upvoted himself too?

north axle Jun 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

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There's some truth to it though.

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

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I've never looked at GLSL. Shaders are cool, but i like making interactive stuff with logic and etc, I'm better at it small ugly games and stuff than making pretty things

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 11:05 PM

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Cough Cough

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 11:06 PM

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indeed

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 11:06 PM

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He is a very good content finder

topaz notch Jun 12, 2018, 11:06 PM

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Panic.

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 11:07 PM

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look into compute shaders

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interactive snow for example.

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:08 PM

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you can do that in VRC?

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

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its just a shader ...

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

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So... yes?

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

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yes i guess

frigid frigate Jun 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

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Afaik any shader works but some may be heavy on performance

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

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experiment. I already figured out how to import mesh water simulations.

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:10 PM

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hot

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Very little unless you pull off some tricks

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 11:10 PM

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@languid beacon could you make a .bat or an exe to recursivly cleaning the VRCHAT cache folder? (easy i know <+ sorry just a random idea worth working on - and a reminder for the dev XD )

topaz notch Jun 12, 2018, 11:10 PM

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Aren't some compute shaders basically killed by the camera change?

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:11 PM

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I'm not a dev

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 11:11 PM

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you could be

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:11 PM

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@lethal meteor you mean something like realtime water rendering?

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 11:12 PM

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nah, not realtime

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I import from blender :<

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but you probably were thinking of vertex displacement

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:12 PM

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why do you say simulations?

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:12 PM

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@thorny totem you can just delete the cache folder, VRC will create it over again.

lethal meteor Jun 12, 2018, 11:12 PM

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thats what blender calls it

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you simulate water physics in blender and then export the water mesh as an obj with animation ticked.

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for every frame, an obj is created

thorny totem Jun 12, 2018, 11:14 PM

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@languid beacon i know, was just joke worth sharing

safe prism Jun 12, 2018, 11:14 PM

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compute shaders were faked via cameras

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we only have regular ol' fragment shaders and things that render to fragments

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but friends-only unity cameras scuffed the compute things, tis why you never see the massive cloud of quad particles with attraction to the hand anymore

viral zenith Jun 12, 2018, 11:26 PM

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great i can't see any of my friends cause they didn't patch the game with the new 2mb update that happened 20 minutes ago >.>

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:32 PM

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9mb lol

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at least you didnt get banned due to a flawed system

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:37 PM

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did you shrare your password, use someone else's, or use a modified client?

mossy garden Jun 12, 2018, 11:37 PM

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I wish he'd have pinged everyone. I updated and now every single world I go to is empty and I can't play with anyone because nobody got alerted to the latest update -_-

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:37 PM

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can old clients create instances?

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if so uh oh

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:38 PM

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i think you can but it wont let you connect to others

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:39 PM

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heh using a portal should kick off a live update

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:39 PM

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kick off?

languid beacon Jun 12, 2018, 11:39 PM

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start.

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:40 PM

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you mean during loading times?

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no you will stay connected even with the outdated client

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you wont be able to see or join anyone else

mossy garden Jun 12, 2018, 11:40 PM

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you can see anyone running same client versions as you

vocal shard Jun 12, 2018, 11:42 PM

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anyoen know if theres a comunity thing in Twitch for VRchat? x3

rugged furnace Jun 12, 2018, 11:52 PM

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yes vrchat is popular on twitch

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@languid beacon do you still have the version that wasnt updated?

uncut trail Jun 12, 2018, 11:58 PM

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RIP

amber spindle Jun 13, 2018, 12:05 AM

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Are username changes a thing yet?

humble grove Jun 13, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Hey how do you make the VRChat loading screen the cool portal thing? :U

inner cape Jun 13, 2018, 12:36 AM

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There's a tickbox in the settings for that. Look for it.

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"Loading animation" or something like that.

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 12:45 AM

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ah i ment for the comunity thing

humble grove Jun 13, 2018, 12:46 AM

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Thanks Ghoost!

inner cape Jun 13, 2018, 12:57 AM

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RindouThumb

tranquil sequoia Jun 13, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Has anyone experienced any issues with private worlds since the latest update? My friend sent me several invites and each time I joined, the room was empty

copper sparrow Jun 13, 2018, 12:58 AM

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weird

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but no

inner cape Jun 13, 2018, 12:59 AM

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@tranquil sequoia They or you haven't updated the game yet so you are sitting on different versions.

tranquil sequoia Jun 13, 2018, 1:03 AM

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Yep, makes sense

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"You'll know you're on the latest update when you see Build Number 568. You will not be able to see users that haven't updated yet."

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seems like the most llikely scenario

inner cape Jun 13, 2018, 1:05 AM

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You got it.

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 1:37 AM

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Hey guys

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One of my friends has a public world, made public since a long time, but now it suddenly seemed to vanish off the face of vrchat

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Anyone out there with a similar issue?

spare cloak Jun 13, 2018, 3:31 AM

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so can anyone help me figure out why everyone says my mic is so quiet? my mic level is turned all the way up, and my mic is super close to my face

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Did anyone get midi keyboard to work?

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:19 AM

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normally how long does it take to fully upload something on unity?

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:20 AM

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@ebon jolt That question doesnt really have an answer

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it depends on your hardware and the project file

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big file = long

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:21 AM

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no i mean it wont let me build and publish but i verify it like 3 days ago for my account

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so like i have to just have unity up for a period of time and one day it happen?

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Then you dont have upload permissions yet

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Is this a world you are uploading or an avatar?

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:22 AM

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avatar

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:22 AM

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Probably upload permissions then.

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If it were a world i would say its broken lighting that keeps trying to bake

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ive had a similar issue.

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:23 AM

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yes i no that is the problem i am asking for how long do i need to "enjoy unity"

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been playing the game for months and fully got into avatar making

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Normally it shouldnt take more than 5 minutes

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so if its taking longer i would say your file isnt getting accepted

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ive heard it could be due to the thumbnail image, try resetting that.

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:25 AM

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ok i mean it just seem i am wasting my time on something that i have to "enjoy" to upload

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Pay for better internet then 😆

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it shouldnt take more than 5 minutes

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i swear

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:26 AM

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i have 150 up and 200 down

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:26 AM

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i have 2gb

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so ye

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just wait it out

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:27 AM

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well i just stop play then thanks for your time and answers

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have a good day

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:27 AM

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If you go into your vrc sdk settings from unity, what dose it say in that dialog box?

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Good things come to those who wait, but meh

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your choice.

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:27 AM

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i mean i been on unity for like 3 hours now and i have to "enjoy it more"

devout island Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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lol

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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it shouldnt take 2 hours

devout island Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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You're doing it wrong

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You have to play the game not enjoy unity

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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^^^^

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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And i vrc doesn't count time spent in unity

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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Ye

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you need to play the game

devout island Jun 13, 2018, 5:28 AM

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Do activities in game so you get it faster

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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go pet waifus

devout island Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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No afk stuff

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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i guess i get my vr on then

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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which may or may not be traps

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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Umm dont go get pet waifus

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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but its not gay if there are boobs involved

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i swear

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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Thats the safer route

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:29 AM

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unless you have boobs

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but gay is aight

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Than its dubble gae

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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yeet

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gae is de wey

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god i need to stop

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dead meme

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kill me

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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i normally have ppl make me models but i wanted to try

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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And we should move to #general-media

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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oh, thats what that is for??

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🤔

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:30 AM

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nah i am good i am getting on vr and thanks for the help

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i hope it works out

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:31 AM

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When going more in depth on a topic its better to move in that channel, than filling the main one

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And the mods approve

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:31 AM

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good idea

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i just never noticed it existed

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cause my eyes succ

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:32 AM

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if only they helped me and not a random who did their job cough

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 5:32 AM

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????

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Its not thier job to give you free stuff

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or do your chores

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lol

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and i dont think its right to feel validated to getting help

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we do it cause we are nice

ebon jolt Jun 13, 2018, 5:33 AM

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nah you good just saying

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 5:43 AM

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Well usually the conversation should start in the right channel such as #avatars-2-general #animation etc , if the channel topic isn't quite right you can ask in #vrchat-general-2

crimson cobalt Jun 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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kisses @covert chasm gently on the forehead

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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angeryping

lone arch Jun 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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reeee

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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I try not to ping but this is what happens when I don't ping.

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cirno_angery

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:16 AM

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haha

short ruin Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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❤ tupper thx for the info

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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stop pingas pls tupper ❤

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just kidding, i appreciate it

odd helm Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Poor Tupper, damned if you do, damned if you don't... patkyutie

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salute

forest mountain Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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I think the ping is ok lol people overreact way too much to pings

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Besides best to keep people in the loop

nocturne hill Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Just ping everyone it’s crucial

odd helm Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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It's fun to react to Discord pings. I expect like 80% is just people using ping memes pingsock

nocturne hill Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Anyone that doesn’t like it there’s a mute everyone

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:17 AM

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Can i take the time to just say that people get triggered for funny reasons

forest mountain Jun 13, 2018, 6:18 AM

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Yup they sure do lol

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:18 AM

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i get triggered when people dont ask before opening the door for me when i already reached for the handle.

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facts

forest mountain Jun 13, 2018, 6:18 AM

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I can see why that would be annoying if your already reaching lol

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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yeet

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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I know a fix for that

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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lick the handle

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lick it all over

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Isolating yourself in your room, works every time

forest mountain Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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ew germs

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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I like your solution better actually

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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heh

forest mountain Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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Thank you phone auto correct

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:19 AM

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aight time to vrchat and touch traps

forest mountain Jun 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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OwO

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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ive been informed its not gae

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so woo

vernal totem Jun 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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does anyone have the unitypackage for the NoeNoe toon shader? the host for it is down

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:20 AM

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ask noe

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he is online

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skippity scoopity swoop

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im outta here

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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Only in VRChat can you grope guys in their late 20s and not feel gay

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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need gaems

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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hey @weary bison

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see above

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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heck yeah

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tupper did a do

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thanks tupper

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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i do'd a did

vernal totem Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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🙏

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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yeet

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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YEET

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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also i love the idea of midi

weary bison Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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what

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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Dod'nt

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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the noenoe shader file is down

odd helm Jun 13, 2018, 6:21 AM

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Did a do'd

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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apparently

weary bison Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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oh

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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gonna make a world where i can secretly open a door with meme midi

vernal totem Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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the download is down

weary bison Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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oooh

vernal totem Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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for your shader

weary bison Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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yeah a ton of hosts went down

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I'll find a new one tomorrow, I'm not at my PC

vernal totem Jun 13, 2018, 6:22 AM

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ah ic

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thank you

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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Maybe Mega? From my experience it's fairly fast

vernal totem Jun 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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yohayay

weary bison Jun 13, 2018, 6:23 AM

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I might be able to just host it on vrcat

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:24 AM

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Can one download it without signing in then? From my experience with forums you need an account to click attachments or links lol

weary bison Jun 13, 2018, 6:25 AM

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no idea, I'll ask the owners

tough mesa Jun 13, 2018, 6:26 AM

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Hey, I've been having connection problems for a month now. It's not my internet because everything else works fine, I'm able to run other online games perfectly fine. So what happens is I join a world and 5 min later it kicks me off back to my hub. Any fixes or tips? Sorry for being annoying, but I just can't find an answer ;w;

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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Have you cleaned the cache?

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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@tough mesa ive had that happen too

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its cache for me

tough mesa Jun 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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No, can you teach me teach me how. Sorry, I'm not very smart.

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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!cleancache

floral flaxBOT Jun 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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You can clean cache by deleting the vrchat folder within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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oooo

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now i dont need to type it

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sick

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@vocal shard u da man

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now i know this exists

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:29 AM

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Hey, gotta give back to communities that give me awesome people to chat with ayaka

small wing Jun 13, 2018, 6:29 AM

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❤

tough mesa Jun 13, 2018, 6:31 AM

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Thank you ^w^

dense basin Jun 13, 2018, 6:32 AM

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@covert chasm Any plans to re-introduce particle/detail/etc caps on avatars, but on the instance and/or world level, instead of global? Most instances with streamers degrade to lag fests within a couple minutes.

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:33 AM

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DONT PING TUPPER!!!!

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:33 AM

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hey hey its alright

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we stated before the particle limiter will be back once we get it behaving, that's still the current state of things

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I don't have more info at this time though ¯_(ツ)_/¯

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 6:33 AM

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REEEE oh wait Tupper said it's okay...

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:33 AM

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It's a good question

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tohruShrug

dense basin Jun 13, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Willl it return as a option for an instance by instance basis, so those that want to go nuts still can?

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:34 AM

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Gotta point back to my "I don't have more info at this time" unfortunately

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sorry D:

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buuuuuuuuut that's a good idea.

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 6:35 AM

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Can we get a canny.io emote 👀

dense basin Jun 13, 2018, 6:35 AM

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All good, just knowing that that there is some sort of plan in the works gives me hope.

covert chasm Jun 13, 2018, 6:35 AM

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what would it even look like

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how do i fit "post it on the canny" in an emote

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 6:35 AM

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I got no idea :')
That is why im asking it without an example

royal pond Jun 13, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Can the particle limiter just block the crash particle(s)?

dense basin Jun 13, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Open question: anyone know if it is possible to bring a spotify or other playlist into the game pre-playmaker? Currently, dancing collabs are difficult due to audio latency issues between players, and world audio is the best option atm... except for getting the songs changed on a daily basis.

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:09 AM

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gotta love when you go into a world and find your avatar, thats stolen and in their world as a pedestal

haughty gazelle Jun 13, 2018, 7:09 AM

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what kind of avatar

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 7:10 AM

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@velvet totem Make a report via the moderation@vrchat.com email and get it removed GWnanamiRankoPog

haughty gazelle Jun 13, 2018, 7:10 AM

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Doesn't that only work if you can prove it was originally yours?

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Still worth attempting

haughty gazelle Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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I guess

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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If the world gets like enough reports they might look into it more carefully 🤷

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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I can prove it, its really easy to prove

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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I need to report, thank you

haughty gazelle Jun 13, 2018, 7:11 AM

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I'm just going to start etching my username into the texture atlas in a really small font

lilac swan Jun 13, 2018, 7:12 AM

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Evidence matter more than number of reports

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:12 AM

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^

haughty gazelle Jun 13, 2018, 7:12 AM

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you can't argue the evidence if my name is literally on the avatar

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but most people put the little block in the head

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which is easily removed

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:12 AM

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Maybe is an atlasing artifact

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hackspanner

lilac swan Jun 13, 2018, 7:13 AM

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The better you make your case, presenting evidence and such, more likely action will or can be taken.

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:13 AM

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I requested a moderator, but im assuming everyones sleeping or too busy, reporting is the best option anyway ❤

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 7:13 AM

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🔨

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Ban

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:14 AM

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⚒ double ban

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:23 AM

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Email sent

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hopefully we can get it resolved ❤

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Banhammer and bansicle?
Idk why I just thought of that

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You haven't heard of the kicking boots? The Spakle Stun staff? The bansnipe bow? The down time fangs? And or the slapping gloves?

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The sleeper manga?

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I don't get the reference I think

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Helton, lay off the coffee

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It's clearly too much for you to handle

patent silo Jun 13, 2018, 7:33 AM

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I want admin rights so I can eat the bad lolis. Then boom🤛 . No more bad lolis

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:34 AM

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What do you define as a bad loli? In my eyes, lolis can't be bad

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:35 AM

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^

umbral reef Jun 13, 2018, 7:35 AM

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eat?....

ocean bramble Jun 13, 2018, 7:35 AM

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Think think eating the loli is the wrong approach

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:35 AM

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You haven't had enough coffee before your heartbeat becomes uneven and you get anxiety :3 but that requires basically chugging more than a liter of it

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:35 AM

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tanabae

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It takes 50mg for me tho

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:36 AM

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"Eat lolis" don't tempt me now

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A liter is nothing

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Chug it on an empty stomach 😛

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Drip brewed coffee has about 600mg per liter, so that's a shame Bahka, you can't enjoy a good cup of coffee 😦

south viper Jun 13, 2018, 7:37 AM

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Why not eat the good lolis?

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:37 AM

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All fun and games drinking coffee, until you find that there's a little loli in your cup

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Wah?

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:38 AM

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That reminds me of several pictures

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Don't tell me I'm the only one

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Sadly, you are. Which brand are you buying? I need to try it

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Homebrewd from a local store :uwu:

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:39 AM

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Oh, damn

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:39 AM

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wow, the world my avatar was stolen and thrown into, is just a giant twitch plug. I hate people

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:40 AM

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You should report the world

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And if you're lucky, the person on twitch has a video in which he steals an avatar or admits to doing it

velvet totem Jun 13, 2018, 7:41 AM

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Yeah, we can only hope so

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:42 AM

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Super random question:
Anyone know how to make working chairs on avatars?

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:43 AM

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It was possible once, but the code has been removed from the game client, so even if you have an avatar with a chair on it, you won't be able to use the chair in game :(
It will get added again sometime in the future

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I rarely drink coffee or energy drinks, so I don't have any coffee to lay off of

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:43 AM

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:feelsBadMan:

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Why lie

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That doesn't work anymore

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You need to ve restrained

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I'm just telling the truth about myself, interpret it as you want

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Would be really cool to have like a mech avatar, and peps could get in

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:45 AM

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I started today with a cold espresso drink, a meal, protein powder, and a glass of cola.
I ran out of energy drinks and didn't have time to drink any more coffee, sadly

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Bahkas wants ppl inside him

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:45 AM

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D O N O T

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Cold espresso mhh

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PULLS OUT NANO—GUN I know this won't do harm! But I'll still point it at you!

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It's some iced drink from the store, they were reduced in price by like 80% for some reason, so we bought a bunch

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If they ever re-allow people to create sitting avatar you can make that a reality

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Damn I wish I'd stumble upon something lile that

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Ice cubes made out of milch?

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:46 AM

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I want a hat with a seat on it, I could even start a taxi service or something...

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Here done drinks cost 1.50 euro plus min

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sadCirno

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:46 AM

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Or the car avatars oh my

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:47 AM

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I meant cold, there isn't really ice in it by default, it could work though

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Usually the same here, but these were about 0.5$ a piece

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It's just cooled down

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pog value

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That's about the same price they sell cold drinks around here

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35 cents per canned cold drink

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4 decree fridge, not super cold, but compared to the temperature that coffee usually has, it's basically the "ice" version of coffee

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Per 33cl soda can? Around the same here

cold talon Jun 13, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Dry ice coffee 🤔

vocal shard Jun 13, 2018, 7:49 AM

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330 mililiters