I guess
#vrchat-general-2
velvet gull
polar bone
I love it in VR though
velvet gull
I've yet to get my headset
vital holly
I like it in any form just because of the stealth functions
velvet gull
Idk wether to get a vive or an oculus though
fair magnet
i regret buying payday
hybrid zenith
Probably vive.
winged quartz
buy a vive because Oculus is owned by zucc
fair magnet
desync is terrible
polar bone
At this point they are pretty similar, but I recommend Oculus
blazing wave
Vives only redeeming quality is it's tracking
winged quartz
but if you have no space in your room get an oculus
polar bone
What are you people talking about
fair magnet
get mixed reality
winged quartz
I have an oculus but I wish I had a vive
good thing I can sell it for more than I paid lul
polar bone
Oculus can track a pretty decent range
blazing wave
I heard wmr is best on a budget
velvet gull
I have plenty of room
blazing wave
I really hate they call it mixed reality tho
polar bone
I'll take a pic of my room when I get home
winged quartz
Vive gives you possibility of full body tracking
fair magnet
i have quite a few friends that use mixed reality, they say its pretty good
winged quartz
- a decent one -
polar bone
@winged quartz for $300
winged quartz
even tho
blazing wave
U can full body with kniect
polar bone
Also the controllers feel like dildos compared to touch
hybrid zenith
@blazing wave What's wrong with Mixed Reality?
polar bone
Kinect never worked for me
winged quartz
Yeah, that too
blazing wave
If you have oculus, u can get the good one
winged quartz
My oculus controllers are very comfy
mellow mango
I mean you really only need a hip tracker unless you're one of those people who go "LOOK I CAN LIFT UP MY LEGS WOW"
velvet gull
Im probably going to go with oculus tbh
Get an oculus with the controllers
And then get a new GPU
winged quartz
what's your gpu
polar bone
Get an extra sensor
velvet gull
Currently have an RX 480 8Gb
mellow mango
And USB3 extension cables, and...
vital holly
restart steam
blazing wave
@hybrid zenith mixed reality is when you blend virtual reality with reality, usually done as a post processing step. Thwindows mixed reality headsets don't offer any tools to help do this
velvet gull
Im getting rid of it and upgrading to a 1070
blazing wave
So it's false advertising
winged quartz
my 1060 does the job with vr
hybrid zenith
I have a GTX 1060.
polar bone
I wish I got to try the Vive so I could make better recommendations. I saw someone had a booth at FIRST MSC, but didn't get the chance to try it
I also have 1060
velvet gull
I'd rather have a 1070 for the extra oomph
polar bone
I got mine for $220
polar bone
How much did you guys pay
mellow mango
In this field, with AMD so close to NVidia and the way NVidia wants to quash everyone else with probably illegal practices, a good consumer would buy the new AMD cards
mellow mango
The only reason I have a 1080 is because I bought it before the new AMD cards came out :<
hybrid zenith
Damn.
timid nimbus
anyone think VRchat will ever support the controller joysticks?
mellow mango
Con-what?
winged quartz
🤔
timid nimbus
WMR controllers have joysticks that do nothing in VRChat, theyd be great for movement.
halcyon ingot
If I cant play vrchat with my flight stick then what has this all been for??
blazing wave
I just want Vive to have a damn joystick
polar bone
@velvet gull Honestly, no matter which one you choose you'll have a good time. All I can say is that I don't regret purchasing an Oculus over a Vive
velvet gull
Ok
blazing wave
The touch pad always breaks
velvet gull
I can just use a kinect for full body
timid nimbus
im glad they put the classic movement in, the new movement was so buggy id get in a infinite loop of running backwards
winged quartz
I don't regret buying it because of the quality
velvet gull
I have a couple of kinects lying around
mellow mango
Yeah, that's why VRChat changed their movement scheme @blazing wave
winged quartz
I regret giving zucc money
mellow mango
ZUCC BUCCS
blazing wave
Deiver4VR let's u do full body motion with kinnect
hybrid zenith
LMAO
mellow mango
Seriously though they love harvesting your data, if you want to contribute to that, up to you
winged quartz
no fbt no bj
blazing wave
I think even with that movement I still have trouble getting around
fair magnet
holoport
mellow mango
Valve recently patented their controllers like 2 weeks ago or whatever
So they're coming soon
hybrid zenith
I really need to get VR, I wan't to express myself so much more xd
blazing wave
Not to mention I keep wipping out my gun when I move XD
hybrid zenith
oh new home
blazing wave
Sweet
hybrid zenith
it updated behind my bakc
fair magnet
ive scared myself so many times with my animations when i try walking
polar bone
steam probably collects as much data for Vive as Oculus does for the Rift: What you play and how long you play it
hybrid zenith
W O A H
jaunty apex
vive will get the Vive Pro X and full body suit before oculus gets leg trackers
blazing wave
How is valve fucked?
halcyon ingot
I trust gaben over the zucc
winged quartz
^
hybrid zenith
this new home is great
velvet gull
I'd rather get a vive, but they're expensive
fair magnet
gaben knows all
polar bone
@jaunty apex for the low price of $4000
trail stirrup
used ones going cheap what with the new releases
fair magnet
he is god after all
blazing wave
Vive will keep around no matter sales, steam makes them a stupid amount of money
jaunty apex
@polar bone at least its an update LUL
calm stag
Man
blazing wave
GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT, why we don't have half life 3
calm stag
Three general chats in the vrchat discord
umbral reef
Valve cant count to 3?
winged quartz
half life vr
mellow mango
Juicy patent for Knuckles
blazing wave
Because he kept waiting.....for half life 3D
hybrid zenith
O H.
blazing wave
Hur hur
hybrid zenith
polar bone
@jaunty apex offering it early for a crazy expensive price vs waiting until it's cheap enough and perfected for consumers
hybrid zenith
@velvet gull n o.
velvet gull
Y E S
fair magnet
or because of valves policy
vital holly
you know what, I'm not gonna buy a vr headset, I'll wait for 3d vr headsets 😎
fair magnet
come to work and do... whatever you feel like
velvet gull
Im buying 2nd hand either way, new is too expensive
jaunty apex
@polar bone are you talking about oculus leg trackers?
those arent getting released
E V E R
fair magnet
if you dont want to do anything thats fine too
hybrid zenith
this update is great.
polar bone
@jaunty apex the Vive pucks aren't leg trackers, there are only supported as leg trackers in a few games
jaunty apex
doesnt matter
you get the point
oculus isnt gonna do full body tracking
while vive is gonna keep updating their stuff
blazing wave
Just wait for those Tesla suites
velvet gull
Thats why I want a vive over an oculus
blazing wave
Boy do those look sexy
polar bone
Also crazy fucking expensive. For the price of one puck I could buy two controllers and a sensor, and the puck is basically a dumbed down controller
polar bone
What do you mean they aren't updating, look at the go and Santa Cruz
blazing wave
They aren't?
jaunty apex
oculus go?
vocal shard
YO. That’s a sick update
winged quartz
Oculus GO :lul:
vocal shard
It’s so good owo
blazing wave
XD
vocal shard
Gotta try it when I get home
hybrid zenith
most likely im geetting windows mixed reality
blazing wave
Is that yet another phone headset?
polar bone
Vive pucks? Don't make me laugh. A 100 pounds dumbed down controller
jaunty apex
Like i said, better have something than not
blazing wave
I wonder if I could turn my broken controllers into Vive pucks...
polar bone
Yeah. Oculus has a stand alone headset
mighty galleon
I'm selling my oculus to a friend when my vive comes in the mail
vocal shard
Did they raise the poly limit in the new sdk?
winged quartz
just buy it lol
hybrid zenith
im gonna go to uganda.
mighty galleon
Let's argue about which ant colony is better?
hybrid zenith
im preparing
mighty galleon
I say red ants
full ivy
anyways readed the changes
hybrid zenith
oh my god
winged quartz
don't crash uganda 🤔
full ivy
sounds good so far
strange wagon
all the kids are asleep
winged quartz
kid schleep
polar bone
Because I want people to see both sides and make an informed decision, rather than only hearing from one side that has misinformation about the other side.
full ivy
yet needs something to save favorite avis 😮 (to avoid that you have to go back and forward to re-wear it >_>)
polar bone
The Vive and the Rift are almost the same
jaunty apex
There's no misinformation when i say oculus isnt going to do full body tracking anytime soon
polar jasper
I'm glad for the camera, but a bit sad it doesn't take 4k like ctrl f12 does
winged quartz
with facebook fucked to the teeth
jaunty apex
yeah they MIGHT do it one day, but it definitely isnt gonna be this year or next
winged quartz
I don't think they're even gonna focus on Oculus
strange wagon
they'd be dumb if they don't
blazing wave
Btw, learned the hard way, don't use kinnect one with vive
strange wagon
it already sold more than the vive
north axle
At least if Facebook becomes non-profitable, he still has Oculus.
vocal shard
@north axle oculus will fall with him xd
full ivy
that's Kermit xD
jaunty apex
the new oculus go is an approach to appeal to normies
feral ginkgo
It would be nice if devs were more transparent on what exactly is the "security adjustments"
jaunty apex
but its gonna fail because google cardboard exists
hybrid zenith
no.
winged quartz
Oculus GO has its own hardware
strange wagon
let's be real here oculus go is for porn
full ivy
but has no horns or tail xD
winged quartz
nothing good can come from a 200$ hardware
idle helm
In a room with about 40 people who mainly create advanced magic shows for vrchat using particles. They all are considering quitting the game or modding the game to remove the particle limit.
jaunty apex
@strange wagon a vr porn website actually memed it on the 1st of april
strange wagon
👀
strange wagon
i think i've seen it
polar bone
Hey @jaunty apex do you own Vive pucks?
stuck pumice
was it really a good idea to have default background before loading to white?
jaunty apex
No i don't
polar bone
Ok
jaunty apex
Just a pessimistic oculus owner
full ivy
figure out that in a GTA house there was a bit of people in one spot and my VRChat when looking at them, was glitching x-x
idle helm
at least there should be a little tick in the settings or something so people can watch if they want
vocal shard
Vrchat staff always knew how to ruin game while not fixing anything
idle helm
@jaunty apex
strange wagon
i've tried bot and i like the rift more 👀
winged quartz
Yeah, I have an Oculus as well
jaunty apex
Because i feel like they are gonna abandon oculus updates altogether
full ivy
i have vive o3o
strange wagon
since i don't give a fuck about dancing
jaunty apex
@idle helm that sounds like a good idea if they could make it happen. Send them feedback
strange wagon
literally only reason to get a vive in my book. to dance in vrchat
hasty wedge
hasty wedge
this camera design is questionable it went over beta testing and noone complained about this 🤔 https://puu.sh/A9JhD/2ddb75669c.jpg
THE CAMERA CIRCLE IS ANNOYING 
jaunty apex
thats a big yikes
hybrid zenith
WELLP
sick plaza
this particle limit is bullshit
alpine cove
imagine thinking the game is dead because you can't spam hundreds of thousands of particles
hybrid zenith
go to #vrchat-pictures I just found hell
winged quartz
"mom I'm gonna sell my google cardboard this game doesn't let me crash people anymore"
jaunty apex
and 300 more are gonna come back
sick plaza
i hope thats knuckles players
strange wagon
this particle adjustment actually sounds really reasonable
blissful sable
It's not that limitations are bad, they way they're limiting it is bad IMO and me and some peeps are trying to adress it.
magic osprey
So, in the update video, the Mods stated you'd be able to join a home instance with your friends. Yet a home instance is private, and requires invites. It makes the instance invite only. I tried to make it friends+ before adding it to my home, and yet it didn't take. Is there a reason we can't have a home instance that allows just our friends in?
strange wagon
how is it bad 👀
mighty galleon
People were literally using particles to crash people, and because of them we need to limit it, don't blame the devs blame the idiots who abused it
mellow mango
Good tip @magic osprey, I'd add it to Canny
hasty wedge
badly executed for now tho
strange wagon
wtf do you need more than 200 particle systems for and more than 20.000 per system?
sick plaza
whats next? only standard shader allowed?
tidal aspen
The limit is 10 active systems
hasty wedge
hopefully it gets better 
tidal aspen
but you can have 200
tidal aspen
if you enable / disable them
alpine cove
they should just be able to detect exactly which particle systems will cause a crash and only ban those 🙄
polar bone
I really hope they don't restrict shaders
jaunty apex
@strange wagon you need it to crash people. DUUUH
strange wagon
i can't see how that is a problem
polar bone
That would suck
strange wagon
10 is alot
blissful sable
10 is a joke
strange wagon
alpine cove
and being able to crash the game is an issue with literally 80% of players of the game
winged quartz
10 is too few
strange wagon
you mean like
winged quartz
that's true
blissful sable
If u want refined effects you'll easily end up with more than 10. This while keeping particle count below 1k. See the ratios?
winged quartz
considering one person can have 2 or 3
indigo fern
1 snail trail is literally 10% of what you can do now
polar bone
Because right now since particles are fixed shaders are the biggest abuseable things.
strange wagon
mellow mango
Having 10 particle systems active at a time is too ...few?
strange wagon
oh yea
sick plaza
couldnt we just have system option for particles? why the hell limit them
jaunty apex
im not sure but i dont think you can crash someone with a shadr
strange wagon
okay 10 really is a joke
vocal shard
Crash guns are disabled now?
alpine cove
because people crash the game with them
that's why limit them
this isn't a hard concept
sick plaza
jsut add option ffs
blissful sable
It's a badly executed one with too little input from the animator side
hybrid zenith
no mor dram
mellow mango
I mean I just think you guys don't know how to make a particle system. I saw someone using a gatling gun.
strange wagon
30-50 sounds more appropriate
weary smelt
worst update cool guys
vocal shard
Disable particle butto
blissful sable
So feedback coming soon™ from multiple people
vocal shard
They should just add an option to disable particles ingame
alpine cove
if there's some feedback that works that's great
still lark
Did someone say canny?
mellow mango
Your animations were inefficient.
alpine cove
but saying an update that literally fixed the biggest issue in the game is bad
brittle fern
my fireworks look like shit now
blissful sable
Yup, working on it so it's clear what is bad and why
alpine cove
is a knee-jerk stupid reaction lol
indigo fern
can we still see our own animations?
sturdy zealot
This update... is an nightmare for all the animators in vrchat
sick plaza
no
jaunty apex
canny? you mean the place where people can send their feedback instead of complaning in the vrchat general chat?
hybrid zenith
How @sturdy zealot
jaunty apex
what's that magic?
mellow mango
What I'm hearing in here is that there's a dozen people who don't know how to make particle emitters efficient.
indigo fern
What's canny? That feedback thing?
https://vrchat.canny.io/
gritty shard
Wait so does this particle system change take effect in VRChat or within Unity?
jaunty apex
@sturdy zealot im an animator and idc???
alpine cove
what i'm hearing in here is 5% of the population is angry that something got fixed for the other 95%
strange wagon
does that mean i can't use my heavily animated touka now?
blissful sable
VRChat
strange wagon
well rip
gritty shard
damn it!
mellow mango
@gritty shard inside VRChat.
blissful sable
Try it ingame, you'll see
sturdy zealot
To me this sucks.
blissful sable
Or won't 
hybrid zenith
I'm confuuuused.
jaunty apex
@alpine cove 200 of 6000 isnt even 5%
strange wagon
i put alot of effort into it to animate her kagune with all her effects lol
vocal shard
Rip
gritty shard
spent days on my animations
alpine cove
if we have to spend 2 weeks with something too heavily restricted while they figure out the right level to restrict it to
i'm okay with that
if it stops constant crashing
vocal shard
^
strange wagon
true kinda
alpine cove
last saturday public worlds were almost completely unplayable
jaunty apex
People were quitting due to crash particles
alpine cove
nonstop crashing
floral aspen
guys the particle limit isn't final stop freaking out
jaunty apex
those people might come back now
blissful sable
Yea it's fine, it's also ok to complain in a reasonable matter. That's why we're working on good feedback
strange wagon
feels like a temporary solution
grand zealot
I truly like it how this game was funded so much money but we're still at that point where we have to limit shit. Unbelievable, this game is fucked.
It's been almost a year and a half.
alpine cove
it's a free game rofl
sick plaza
can we jsut get some competing title already
alpine cove
there's literally no way to stop crash particles without limiting them
mellow mango
Please note that these limits may change with client releases.
jaunty apex
why not send them a message explaning how they could do instead of limiting stuff?
alpine cove
because there is no other way but limiting
jaunty apex
Some people are too dumb to know that
blissful sable
Yea it is something they can easily adjust, but the starting values had too little input
alpine cove
maybe the way it's limited now is not the optimal way, but limiting is literally the only way to fix it
mellow mango
Because people who are intentionally crashing people don't care about you or rules
gritty shard
I literally never crashed because of someone elses particles. Or maybe my PC just isn't a toaster
umbral reef
@grand zealot Well you look like a man that could fix it all then 
They do have job apps open and im sure someone who thinks that unity problems can be fixed with some code in the game itself would sure be usefull
vestal edge
What happened to cold front?
jaunty apex
yeah felix
sick plaza
considering client releases take more than a month now
jaunty apex
go ahead
sick plaza
gl waiting
jaunty apex
fix the game for us
mellow mango
@vestal edge Is it missing?
vocal shard
if you feel a game is dead without particle tsunamis change your priorities in life
alpine cove
i don't have to wait, i just get to play the game without worrying about getting crashed out every 20 minutes now :)
jaunty apex
@vocal shard couldnt have said it better myself
vestal edge
@mellow mango yes. It's gone
umbral reef
They are unable to make unity better so making particels and ect run better
If people abuse them they have to find a way to stop that-- What they just did
jaunty apex
but i love seeing the crash knife abusers complaining. Really love this update
umbral reef
They can play around with the numbers for whats allowed and what isnt but they need testing for that
vocal shard
Hahahaaa
indigo fern
you know those particle tsunamis can still happen right? thats not more than 10 systems
mellow mango
@vestal edge I think the map wasn't ready for this new release so it's pulled until it's fixed.
vestal edge
Cold front is gone
vocal shard
Fuck you crash gun losers
dull oar
Yeah this update was amazing in my opinion
alpine cove
but it's more than 20k particles, N8
mellow mango
There was some bugs that needed patching and it wasn't patched to release level
vestal edge
@mellow mango oh, ok
vocal shard
Crash gun users should just end themselves in rl now
Hahaha
@indigo fern yeah, exactly
dull oar
Whoa calm down K
storm gust
Just think of all the hard work people have put into animations with particle effects and its now all for nothing and broken to shit, if people strugle with them its not hard to ask people not to play any effects cuz of this reason ectra not hard to show some common sense and respect
alpine cove
if you played in any public worlds over the weekend, you know why they pushed this update now
blissful sable
You can still have 200k particles on at once. Tell me one pc that won't lag
strange wagon
i feel like 10 particle systems with 20k each could still crash a majority no?
mellow mango
It's not more than 10 systems but it won't crash people now 🤔
alpine cove
it's 20k max period, isn't it?
mellow mango
I mean I think people are bitching that they can't make world-altering particle systems anymore
indigo fern
the limit is 20k per system with 10 systems
strange wagon
says 20k per system
lethal meteor
Someone keep track of time until someone manages to break that security feature.
strange wagon
or is it 20k across all
indigo fern
200k particles still
jaunty apex
@mellow mango that's 1 particle lol
umbral reef
@storm gust Unless someone knows a perfect other solution that allows people who can optimize things to use them while people can not abuse them at the same time
Im sure they would love to hear it
mellow mango
True, good point @jaunty apex
soft nova
any workaround for the mic always on bug?
jaunty apex
@mellow mango i can change the skybox with 1 single particle
i have an animation with that
maiden plover
Anyone know where the pictures from the camera saves to?
alpine cove
Tupper has already hinted that the verification is server side
still lark
@sturdy zealot doubt it
alpine cove
so
vocal shard
Yo
still lark
It's real time
soft nova
i hate push to talk and having it on v especially hurst my hand
vocal shard
How do we maintain a pose and take a photo
jaunty apex
you can have voice enabled at all times
indigo fern
timer
maiden plover
Where do the photos save to
vocal shard
Theres a timer setting?
sick plaza
a small drone model: 2 particle systems for 1 particle distortion effect, 2 for mains engine with like 100 particles each, 2 for lasers with 100 each, 2 for guns, 1 each, 2 for some cool looking additions, around 50 each, BAM LIMIT REACHED, but only 504 particles used. dopnt give me bs about crashing pls
mellow mango
Change it to voice activated and use the mute on your microphone @soft nova
vocal shard
I dont see the timer setting
soft nova
thats what i mean
alpine cove
you are missing the point Des
umbral reef
@sick plaza They put the limit in place for people abusing things
Not for efficient users
that is the thing
mellow mango
Oh yeah, that's a known bug that's still being worked on @soft nova
umbral reef
They need to make a hard line that might work for both
They can still up the caps for things or lower numbers
sick plaza
make it a option in settings instead ffs....
strange wagon
the sdk does not indicate if we are exceeding the limit. how does it actually work ingame if i am exceeding the limits?
👀
umbral reef
Im pretty sure if it was so easy to do
soft nova
i know, i was just wondering if anyone knew a worka round, hence the initial question
umbral reef
they would have done that instead
alpine cove
you can only have 10 systems running at once, you can have more than that total. why would you have every single one of those particle systems running at once?
mellow mango
@strange wagon It will start splicing out your systems as you use them
strange wagon
ah
sick plaza
because it looks cool and wont drop fps?
mellow mango
It won't tell you if you're over the limit in the SDK because the number of systems is dependant on whatever animation you're running to run the particle systems
alpine cove
well, if you can convince everyone using a game-crashing avatar to kindly stop
i'm sure they'd be happy to remove the limits again
vocal shard
time to learn how to look cool without particle herpes
still lark
Have you tired not using particles systems to do your effects?!
sick plaza
time to block all custom shaders pls
jaunty apex
@vocal shard time to learn how to do CUSTOM AVATARS
vocal shard
@alpine cove there is a delay option even tho they are active u noob
obsidian storm
were are the Ugandan knuckles at???
grand zealot
I personally wouldn't know how to go about it, but if the developers spent their money and focused on actually upgrading and developing the engine further, capabilities and limitations would be unlocked, thus making it easier to protect the game. Because with what it has now with the outdated unity engine and what have you, all we have is a lagfest that's covered in hackers and nobody is able to do anything. And now with these particle system limitations, it kind of kills it for those who have spent countless weeks working on animations and optimizing it ourselves for people to be able to run. If the game had better hardware and possibly ran on a higher version of Unity, I doubt this game would have as many issues as it has now. You'll blabber on about how "Oh, how about you tell them to fix it?" Well, could you really say the same when they're not actually focusing on that, and are spending more time developing maps and putting out fixes here and there?
alpine cove
lol
grand zealot
Give me shit, I'll wait for it.
mellow mango
As for that drone, couldn't you make the whole drone out of a single particle system?
mellow mango
I'm no pro at particles, so that's why I'm asking
grand zealot
It depends on what you want to do with it, really.
vocal shard
Well tupper should have added a particle toggle button in the options
grand zealot
You could put the model of that drone into one particle system.
storm gust
yea that was people can choose to see particle or not
sick plaza
not possible
jaunty apex
@vocal shard opt in and opt out would be great
umbral reef
@grand zealot Thats not how it works
Even if they update to the best unity version that optimized to the maxxxx
Someone would just go past that and still find a way to break everything
And again, if you want to things to improve suggest actual fixes and not pointless complaints... Suggestions can also still be done in the Canny
storm gust
not limit those who make the godam effects
vocal shard
Yea
sick plaza
some track guns, some emit from engine that is moving slightly
blissful sable
One particle system = one effect component. Would you rather want a shitty as laser that's just a straight line or a laser that's split into a lot of systems with less total particles and looks 10x better?
umbral reef
We got no idea what who is working in the company so cant just flat out say "They dont look at it or change anything"
jaunty apex
@umbral reef he's living in the future where unity is the most secure game platform
mellow mango
@blissful sable well which is more efficient?
blissful sable
2nd one by far
umbral reef
Any game has problems with hackers
This game gives people an insane amount of control and options what cna result in good things but also just as easy bad thing
alpine cove
then recommend better limits in canny
blissful sable
I am
strange wagon
does someone know if ppl can steal avatars. not the temporary cache shit i mean actually stealing them with blendshapes and all
blissful sable
Just gonna write more than 1 line so it's understandable
strange wagon
after the update now that is
vital holly
my 1mb internet started working again lol
blissful sable
we wanna get across what we want and why
jaunty apex
they cant edit the model if they steal it
alpine cove
idk if the update fixed the hacked client, but the hacked client can steal blendshapes, etc, too
grand zealot
@umbral reef You and I both know it's better than them sitting on their asses focusing on other unnecessary changes to the game, and that it's better than not trying at all to fix what we have now. But from what you're saying, you act as if /you/ yourself know what to do to fix it, so how about /you/ suggest changes for the game? The game is inevitably dying due to these limitations and the time wasted with the whole hacker and performance ordeal. It's reality, so it's either that they push recruitment into their development team and focus on upgrading hardware, or the game will drop like most free games.
alpine cove
but yeah i don't think they can edit that
strange wagon
ye. if the update has fixed that is what i want to know 👀
dull oar
Awww man I thought blendshapes were safe
storm gust
Effects was what made people diffrent form over people and gave people the freedom of their inmagtation wich also provid a place were they felt at home limiting this is like fucking putting some into a corner of a room and say your only alowed to play with 1 toy
grand zealot
@jaunty apex You also need to cut it out with your passive aggressive behavior, never did I once say that I knew how to do all of this.
mellow mango
I guess a "If your particle system produces less than 50 particles (not including mesh particles) that's considered 1/5 of a particle system" would be smaht?
grand zealot
It's immature, so cut it out.
strange wagon
so i can feel save in public worlds again
white cairn
New update! With fixes and stuff! :0
jaunty apex
So according to you, the game is dying due to limitations and not hackers breaking the game?
gotcha
grand zealot
It is, though.
alpine cove
updating to the latest unity would require literally recoding the entire game
grand zealot
🤦
vocal shard
Lol
particles are immature, nobody likes then and they're like spoilers on shitty cars
storm gust
Game wasnt even dying even with the fucking hackers
jaunty apex
Are you just playing vrchat for animations?
jaunty apex
You do realize you can do a game instead?
dull oar
The several people typing message gives me anxiety
white cairn
Particle limitations is an overdue thing
mellow mango
Hackers kill the game immediately, limitations stagnate growth but giving the developers a chance to respond is standard practice
grand zealot
I'm not leaving entirely, but will remain on the game merely to converse with friends who go on it much, but I haven't been spending time on it as much as I used to.
sturdy zealot
You know there is something called block button... why did they have to add this limitation bullshit.
storm gust
Im palying Vrchat for the freedom it offerd and that you could build your own charcter and be who your want to be and be able to show off cool things
sturdy zealot
I mean you can join back and block him
strange wagon
for me personally 10 active at a time is fine atm, since i'm not all that crazy with animations yet
alpine cove
that's not a solution
sturdy zealot
🤷
alpine cove
because you still got crashed
neat cradle
even on my shitty PC particles have never crashed me EVER
hopefully that doesnt jinx me
inner cape
Wish we had a slow and well though out argument with both parties respecting each other instead of the whole chat being in "several people are typing" mode with people trying to shout the other side down.
umbral reef
I dont at all
That why i am not yelling they should do X way or Y way
I got basic understanding of how unity and ect works but far from enough to give any advice or tips mainly because i also got jack shit idea how VRC is coded.
But i am in this chat a lot and people only complain in here about crashes or hacker so i know how many peeps are pissed off about it. Being unfair and asking an insane coding task then of a small team is crazy
alpine cove
normal particles won't crash you
only people who specifically tooled their animations to crash people will
grand zealot
I didn't prove anything, DotDot. I spent alot of time on my own animations to impress others and have a personal hobby for myself, but I find it very limiting how there's a massive blockage now. I'm also speaking for other people who spent countless amount of weeks working on their own cool animations. Refrain from messaging me again, because you're nothing but hostile towards others who don't agree with you.
jaunty apex
I don't know how im being hostile?
alpine cove
they literally released a security update today
jaunty apex
Also, i get your point. But the game isnt gonna die due to these limitations
At best it's gonna get more players because no more crash particle abusers
white cairn
The particle spam fix is awesome
still lark
I still don't understand why you'd use the particle delay and not put it further back in the animation
sly veldt
So much misinformation
mellow mango
Ron is here to set the record straight
grand zealot
Then you have all the reason to tell me that you told me so, and I'll welcomee it.
glass zodiac
is this update a joke ?
strange wagon
i mean i would assume the security updates are due to the hackers. so i'm hopeful
mellow mango
silence.
glass zodiac
is this appril fool ?
jaunty apex
Have any of your animations been affected by this update?
white cairn
Framerate annihilation avatars are gone, woohoo
grand zealot
Yes, two of them have been.
storm gust
Yes
dull oar
This discord is sooooo heated. Meanwhile everyone in game is still giving eachother headpats
storm gust
all of them
strange wagon
i don't think mine are affected
alpine cove
the limitations were needed immediately. last weekend was an absolute nightmare of constant crashing. they'll be adjusted.
strange wagon
i only have like 3-5 active at any given time
noble echo
"boo hoo I can't imitate a touhou boss anymore"
jaunty apex
Send your feedback to the canny then
umbral reef
@dull oar This discord is tech support for avatars and worlds, memes but most of all complaining or asking how to report things
white cairn
Dev peeps, is it possible to go into detail about the new and fixed functions?
grim owl
points and laughs
jaunty apex
Tell them what you think would be better
still lark
And why
storm gust
Their things called private fucking worlds and friends + guest were you can get away from such things
still lark
You can't just say the earth is flat without reason
alpine cove
it's pretty disappointing to see people complaining about a fix for the biggest issue in the game
jaunty apex
Arguing with me wont do anything to both parties. I hate particle system abusers, you enjoy doing awesome particle systems
white cairn
Also the math logic on animation controllers seems really interesting!
rotund wren
Can you guys stop complainin for a second and tell me is anyone else loading into game at like 1% a minute
jaunty apex
We're on opposite sides of the spectrum
strange wagon
i've seen alot of hackers in friends+ worlds. might be actual friends of guests but maybe not
vocal shard
You can block people thru the website
So you can copy and paste their name from The log
mellow mango
Shanie-senpai sets mode: +m
granite coral
My 2 cents: this entire particle limitation thing is useless, cause guess what? it doesn't stop crashers, there are a lot of other ways to crash people that don't include particles, and are as easy to do as paticles, so unless you wanna limit literally every single thing in this game (heavily limiting the creativity of people that arent jerks) this wont help
storm gust
what hackers got to do wiht this lol
glass zodiac
yeah anyways the limits doesn't counter crashers
alpine cove
almost every crash that's happened to me in game has been someone with a particle bomb
lol
mellow mango
They're not hackers, they're exploiters, but they're synonymous in a game like this
strange wagon
being invisible, spamming earrape. cause they are unaffected by safe mode 👀
worst kind of people
soft nova
is the particle limit known?
umbral reef
@granite coral The suggest another way to prevent people harrasing and breaking the game for others...
Because so far that is the only way to stop it
Take the creativity away
jaunty apex
@granite coral so the solution is not do anything?
jaunty apex
But then developers would get shit for not doing anything about it
grand zealot
But @jaunty apex , there are also some people on the other side of the spectrum that care of other peoples eyes and performance, we spend a lot of time developing our own sets of animation to prove worth to the Unity animation side, and impressing others. Hell, I even do it to distract myself from personal real life issues, but I simply find it very limiting and hard to work with now; almost not even worth it.
mellow mango
People are concerned about the number of systems @white cairn
grand zealot
Not everyone who uses particle systems abuses it.
sly veldt
Please just calmly list in a canny what things are being hampered by limitations and we'll try and work around it. Ideally trust systems will be a better gate (later) for limiting things. VRChat is doing well. You have to remember this is essentially still rough in a lot of ways. We're in EARLY RELEASE. We're gonna change and update things as we see fit. That said we're careful about. Most of the team are also part of the community and we care.
alpine cove
it's fine to be frustrated if the animation limit doesn't work for you, but saying "this update sucks and is ruining the game" is the least constructive criticism you could possibly give
grand zealot
That's something that you have to understand, you know.
strange wagon
10 active at any given time. for heavy animators that might be a problem. for me it isn't 👀
glass zodiac
the game was already dying and with this update have fun
strange wagon
???
polar elm
games not dying lol
alpine cove
the game is more active than it's been in a while, aside from the month or two boom from when it became a big streamer game, rofl
idle mica
its dying
alpine cove
i log on at 4 AM eastern and there's over 2k people on
umbral reef
Users are still stable and plenty of people still play daily
white cairn
People going ape over a nerf to particle systems
polar elm
Dev team is doing a excellent job
white cairn
Wat
idle mica
or atleast the animators are leaving
neat cradle
what fairly said i mean damn
alpine cove
then they don't care that much
jaunty apex
@grand zealot Well i do love seeing well made particle animations. Truth is, i got so tired of crash knives that i kinda developed a hate for particle systems. I do hope they can figure out a better way to limit it so people like you don't lose your stuff due to cheaters being asses.
noble echo
It's "dying" in that all the people who joined to roleplay as a meme knuckles fucked off and left us all in peace
alpine cove
or they'd recommend better fixes
granite coral
Well, the result of doing anything is the same result of this, minus the handicap for creative people, so.... that would be better. About actual approaches, give people the option to enable-disable particles clientside would solve this particular case in a cleaner way
strange wagon
it sounded bad at first but atm 10 active at a time seems managable
alpine cove
instead of just ragequitting
meager rose
So does this update limit anything with animations other than particles?
umbral reef
if those animators really care so much about the game to spend hours and hours making an animation
Im sure they wont just BOOP drop off the vrc earth
idle mica
They should fix the fucking avatar stealers instead of particle limitations
polar elm
animators need to go make worlds they add aniationsints* to Vrc_trigger
grim owl
Waaaaaaa i cant be as obnoxious
glass zodiac
all of my particles effects work 10% now like 90% of them don't spawn xDD
sly veldt
strange wagon
it might be fixed @idle mica but admins are not saying anything
since they updated security
grand zealot
@jaunty apex Yeah, I came across one of those people who can crash you with a gun just yesterday night, but it's just upsetting seeing my models that I've spent so much time on being stolen by others who can do it with just a few buttons; and these new limitations rising. I've been waiting months for hardware development, but it seems as if it hasn't even been touched yet.
alpine cove
the number 1 rule of security updates is you don't go into details on what was fixed
glass zodiac
the crash thing is still working anyways
dull oar
Hardware????
strange wagon
why would you not tell people they are save from stealers if they fixed it? 👀
tacit plank
Blender: "You can safely ignore the spine bone length zero warning"
Getting error in Unity now because of it though?
idle mica
They fixed nothing
alpine cove
because then the stealers know their method doesn't work and they immediately start working on a new one
jaunty apex
@grand zealot Best you guys can do is send them your feedback and hope for the best. I doubt the feedback will be ignored since the developers value all players
Especially the creative ones
grand zealot
@tacit plank You can upload your model despite that error, don't worry about it
floral aspen
what do you mean hardware development?
vocal shard
I feel like you guys didn't even ask for feedback from people like me and others in communities that are built around the animation freedom vrchat gives you
tacit plank
Ah, alright, thank you. It just showed up as red so it worried me
idle mica
They dont care
polar elm
They do.....
strange wagon
i'm pretty casual when it comes to animations. so the 10 limit doesn't bother me.
idle mica
Unless u a streamer or popular
strange wagon
i'm not doing anything crazy 👀
still lark
@vocal shard there was feeback, ask Greylyth, but it wasn't a lot
idle mica
If they cared they would have asked the communities that are built around animations with particles
alpine cove
if they had more time they would have asked for more feedback
but getting constantly crashed is an issue
grim owl
You mean I can't drop 10 nukes for attention? gasp
alpine cove
so the fix needed to be pushed
floral aspen
The particle limit isn't final. It will be changed with further user feedback. How does that mean they don't care?
strange wagon
the heaviest animation i did was on a touka model from tokyo ghoul. with her kagune and everything and that i can actually shoot and stuff.
vocal shard
Tempest they didn't even fix particle crashes
glass zodiac
@alpine cove a FIX FOR WHAT ?
alpine cove
if you guys can go ahead and convince all the particle crashers to stop
idle mica
particle crashes still work lol
alpine cove
maybe they'll be able to give more time
glass zodiac
Lol this isn't a fix crash still work stfu pelase
ashen hatch
I am so glad about the particle limit
vocal shard
Tempest THEY DIDNT FIX PARTICLE CRASHES
alpine cove
and suggest actual fixes
polar elm
vive controll swap was requested along time ago , world particle IK was requested home etc list goes on, they are listening very closely
alpine cove
jesus christ
vocal shard
That's the thing
alpine cove
it's like a bunch of children in here
neat cradle
exactly holy shit
glass zodiac
@alpine cove There is NOTHING to sugest
alpine cove
then leave
sly mauve
some one else connection problems right now?
jaunty apex
I think they did fix crashing
strange wagon
there is tons to suggest
full ivy
btw, the issue on VRChat with vive is that sometimes my right arm doesn't move 😮 is a issue of the my vive or VRChat itself?_?
idle mica
They didnt lol
strange wagon
but it has been suggested multiple times so. we can only wait
vocal shard
anyone have trouble loading worlds
strange wagon
jaunty apex
Maybe because whoever is crashing hasnt updated the game yet
dire snow
Ok , one of my avatar has 8 particle system running at a time, total particles are 170 ish, emission rate on average 20 and it still got limited. RIP
vocal shard
i have the update
I feel like you ain't reading they did not fix crashing with particles
strange wagon
favorite worlds list, teleport to friends etc.
glass zodiac
@dire snow only 10% of my particles spawns
strange wagon
individual mic levels
sly veldt
recent worlds, favorite worlds and favorite friends are all being worked on
should be out in a coming release
vocal shard
i just go to the pug with my friends and turn avatars off
jaunty apex
@vocal shard i'd actually like to know how it didnt fix crashing. Being honest, not joking
dire snow
@faint terrace@glass zodiac Same dude
still lark
Canny? Hello?
strange wagon
it's not too big of a deal but it's a nice QoL
ashen hatch
@full ivy if it has the same issues in other games then it is the Vive but if it's exclusive to vrchat then it probably is the game
sly veldt
There will be another developer update video released later today
glass zodiac
@dire snow this is hillarous
alpine cove
thank you for the work you're all doing, Lost Viking
full ivy
so, must be VRChat then 😮
dire snow
@glass zodiac Yes I worked 60hrs+ on a McCree high Noon and it got rekt
vocal shard
@sly veldt I love your work thanks for facilitating my friendships 👍 ❤
glass zodiac
@dire snow crashers are there since 1month++ and the update didn't even fixed it lol it only broke people hard work
strange wagon
i think it's because of the same reason they put in a poly limit
vocal shard
it sucks ut you can turn avatars off
strange wagon
so people optimize their avatars
jaunty apex
Thank you dynamic bones' creator for allowing us to have big ol' jiggly titties
now thats something id like to thank them for
north axle
Ugh, I hate that I'm really busy this week. I don't think I'll be able to check out the new update any time soon.
ashen hatch
I don't experience crashes with particles it's more just being annoyed with the avatars with extreme amounts of particles
alpine cove
i just wish dynamic bones worked a bit better with the update rate of vrchat
vocal shard
and it was creepy they crashed everyone but my friends had avatars off... so these dudes were following us around in the pug and my friend said they pinged his router or something
alpine cove
i find myself to be really disappointed with half of the dynamic bones i add
vocal shard
That's what block is for ben
strange wagon
turning avatars off in a game that lives by it's social aspect seems completly off
fringe shoal
That's what I did yesterday which isn't really ideal for me because I like to see other people express themselves rather than having to use a safety feature to not be crashed
jaunty apex
@alpine cove you can test them in play mode
raven silo
VR Camera is out
vocal shard
ya i agree it sucks to have to do it
alpine cove
yeah, but it's not 1:1 with vrchat
because i think play mode runs on an update rate of 60
jaunty apex
yeah it really isnt
noble echo
most peoples dynamic bones ive seen look fine
alpine cove
and mirrors are kind of buggy so it's hard to tell without a third party
meager rose
Tbh, I'm just happy to have the classic vive movement back :3.
The new movement system was terrible
vocal shard
I actually met one of the crashers we were having conversations with him... he seemed cool other than the crashing
ashen hatch
It's kind of hard to block someone if you can barely even play the game or see anything.
alpine cove
like in the mirror my avatar's ears look like they're going insane
but other people say it looks fine
vocal shard
he didnt even really have a reason for doing it except he "was bored"
jaunty apex
ben, safe mode
glass zodiac
@strange wagon a lot of people run with 50k+ polys and you notice nothing so
noble echo
i notice fwiw
whenever several people show up with high poly avatars the game starts running like shit
glass zodiac
yeah and it impact like nothing
jaunty apex
anyone who uploads their own avatars has at least one avatar above 20k
ashen hatch
I shouldn't have to use safe mode all of the time
strange wagon
yea
glass zodiac
the difference betwen 20k or 60k is invisible
alpine cove
i don't DotDot :(
glass zodiac
doesn't affect perfs
jaunty apex
yikes
alpine cove
you can tell when a person with a high poly model loads into a world
reef jacinth
It is noticable when 10 people have 20k avatars and 10 people have 60k
jaunty apex
imagine having no >20K avatars
alpine cove
but i haven't noticed much performance hit once they're in
strange wagon
i think someone from the vrchat team explained it's not the polys that make ppl lag it's the amount of materials on it or something
idk
jaunty apex
@alpine cove its been said that poly count is one of the least issues for performance
dynamic bones and materials are the biggest
alpine cove
yeah, material amount is the issue, and since there's no way to force people to atlas their textures
strange wagon
👀
idle mica
unless someone puts like 9000 meshes on a model lmao
glass zodiac
i can't imagine how people that work hard on particles system are right now
strange wagon
my ears and tails on my cute avatars are super jiggly. are those performance heavy? 👀
alpine cove
most of them are probably providing useful feedback in canny
jaunty apex
@idle mica they would crash themselves
idle mica
No
vocal shard
A bit dissapointed red
jaunty apex
not allowing them to play until they deleted that model
umbral reef
Well angry and being agressive towards staff 👀
vocal shard
To say the least
alpine cove
or maybe some of them are complaining with no constructive criticism
idle mica
The crash is for hackers
vocal shard
Just spawn multiple high poly avatars in an animation
neat cradle
@glass zodiac to say the least it seems they are going bananas
jaunty apex
@idle mica if you try to do dynamic bone bomb or something like that
mellow mango
Mesh particles are a draw call each particle so I can see the restrictions there
jaunty apex
you crash yourself
glass zodiac
bananas ?
alpine cove
shioro: i don't think the amount of jiggle matters at all
just the number of dynamic bones
strange wagon
ah ok
ashen hatch
I once saw someone go around with an avatar that had a "ban hammer" that made people crash
vocal shard
Lol
alpine cove
once a bone is dynamic, it's the same performance impact no matter what settings it has
noble echo
dynamic bones dont hit performance at all in my experience
mellow mango
@alpine cove Kind of. Frame rate helps by about 30%
blissful sable
@noble echo ever had 400?
alpine cove
doesn't vrchat strip update rate to 60 if you put it any higher than that?
mellow mango
Right, I mean lower
vocal shard
Put on 4000 res textures
alpine cove
oh, right
vocal shard
Lol
ashen hatch
I think you can get up to 90
noble echo
thats true, no @blissful sable
but with reasonable amounts
mellow mango
So you can have a bone update at 20 frames and be like 25% more performant than 60
jaunty apex
8K res wjhen PogChamp
alpine cove
how does lowering the update rate affect the dynamic bone?
glass zodiac
i can't imagine that the crashers are in the game since 1 month+ and the update don't counter them
vocal shard
Ahhaa
strange wagon
i never really drop fps except in presentation room beta and great pug. idk what it is but sometimes fps is really unstable for no apparent reason
jaunty apex
@glass zodiac it did stop them unless they bypassed it somehow
alpine cove
i imagine lowering update rate would be a disaster on skirts because they'd clip super hard, but on things like my avatar's ears, maybe i should drop my update rate on them
vocal shard
8192 x 8192 textures
alpine cove
might not affect it in any real way
blissful sable
yea ofc reasonable amount. 400 is not something you should do, but I'm trying to say it easily impacts performance. Polys/Tris is the least concern, but drawcalls are far worse.
mellow mango
There's three stages of dynamic bones, each taking about 33% each of performance, one of them is the frame rate of the bone updating. But yes, bad for things that collide with stuff @alpine cove
glass zodiac
@jaunty apex a guy just crashed 3 people 5 mins ago in my room LOL
vocal shard
How
chrome jetty
in the vrsdk the World creator status, when it is "allowed to publish world" can i upload worlds or update mine without request as new ?
glass zodiac
its just harder to aim
jaunty apex
@glass zodiac did you update the game?
glass zodiac
i did lol
vocal shard
Well
jaunty apex
and did that person too?
mellow mango
A dynamic bone collider is very painful for the processor
jaunty apex
Actually i guess so if you could see them
glass zodiac
of course he did xd
alpine cove
so if i drop the update rate on things that have no collision issues i shouldn't see any difference, aside from some better performance?
vocal shard
If you just have your particles stack i guess it could work
strange wagon
that's some sao death gun type of shit right there @glass zodiac 👀
vocal shard
Stack the particles at max
mellow mango
Updated unity engines push these dynamic bone scripts to different processors to make it a lot more "efficient" but that's like Unity 2018...
sick plaza
ah lol it seems blocked particles still lag, because they are stil lcalculated
mellow mango
Correct @alpine cove, but not highly significant, like 25% maybe
Which if you have a lot of bones it would be significant
sick plaza
so they can still crash according to canny issue
alpine cove
hmm
glass zodiac
Even if devs were thinking particles limit would fix that how they could imagine to limit that so much
sick plaza
gege
alpine cove
does the amount of bones in the chain affect that, Shanie?
sick plaza
yup
jaunty apex
thats just awful
alpine cove
so like, i only have 3 dynamic bone items, two ears and a tail, but the ears have 2 bones each and the tail has 4
mellow mango
What I do is the lower the object is on my body, the less frames it has. No, the amount of bones in the chain doesn't effect the percentage of change
sick plaza
u wont even see who crashed you now
jaunty apex
made people angry and didnt fix the issue RIP
mellow mango
Well, I mean, it does, but no more or less than the regular cost of those calculations
vocal shard
@sick plaza hug nyu >.<
glass zodiac
@jaunty apex i can't imagine that they get out this update after 1 month of the crasher issue
alpine cove
ok, so my model is probably pretty well optimized with dynamic bones anyway
raven silo
less bone use with dynamic bone the better for performance
mellow mango
Obviously
alpine cove
and i have no colliders
glass zodiac
like people crashing people in you're game a fix should be instant realeased and we get an update that doesn't fix it 1 month after lol
alpine cove
which i've heard are the bigger issues than dynamic bones
raven silo
praticle is limit to point should not have particle bomber
alpine cove
i mean, if you wanted an instant fix that guaranteed stopped it, they could have blocked literally all particles
and then you'd be even angrier
sly mauve
i cant login right now some one els has that problem?
alpine cove
so you tell me a situation that's a win for them
strange wagon
@raven silo they still crash because they are still calculated apparently
glass zodiac
@alpine cove better than that actually lol
and this isn't the only way to crash people
mellow mango
If anything, the particle limits will make people think more critically about their particle use and create more efficient avatars because of it
alpine cove
no, but 90% of the crashers are particle bombers
i've never been crashed by anything but a particle bomber
mellow mango
I've been horribly slowed down by dynamic bone bombers but never killed
vocal shard
No they won't shanie because your still gonna have thousands of weebs with dynamic bones on everything
raven silo
or set avatar defualt friend only
alpine cove
i do wish panic mode updated a little faster
there's sometimes a delay on it
and that delay can mean the difference between crashing and not crashing
mellow mango
Yeah it has to unload all the avatars so it takes a sec
strange wagon
might aswell not go into public worlds if you're gonna block everyones avatars 👀
still lark
Get faster RAM
mellow mango
5.6 isn't the most efficient creature ever....
still lark
Then it'll update faster
glass zodiac
i hope this is a bad dream
alpine cove
yeah, imo blocking avatars by default is not a solution in a social-based game like vrchat
strange wagon
yep
vocal shard
That we can agree on tempest
alpine cove
i need to check canny, but i assume it's been recommended already; it'd be nice if there was a different 'block' feature that activated safe mode for one individual, instead of fully blocking them
so i could block laggy avatars but still interact with the people who have them
raven silo
@strange wagon they have deal with performance problem if start remove every thing it get boring
mellow mango
I mean once they defaultly muted people back in 5.3. That was hilarious :x
Took about 2 days to about face but it was a good party
alpine cove
i've had to block some people that i actually wanted to interact with. their avatars were cool, they just tanked my performance
usually it's people who have those gestures that can take pictures and display them on screens, etc
raven silo
best bet hang out with people who know how to have good performance avatar want good performance
alpine cove
so i feel like a 'block' that doesn't actually block, just sets safe mode on a single individual, would be a good compromise
sick plaza
also one note, illegal client mods to remove limits wil lspread now
mellow mango
I've been to "no dynamic bones allowed, 3 material max" parties. You can fit 50+ people in the room
alpine cove
then i can talk with them, etc, but not have to be lagged by their avatar
thick rivet
been trying to update the SDK after deleting the old one : it keeps crashing Unity
glass zodiac
@alpine cove i saw some people avoiding safemode btw
alpine cove
i saw some dude in the Pug last night and his avatar was a fucking buffet table full of food
it was amazing
sick plaza
@mellow mango i know someone who already bypassed it
alpine cove
but the game strips your particles if the avatar surpasses the limit
people have been complaining about that happening to them already
mellow mango
Bypassing their own client, I suppose
mellow mango
Exactly. Who cares?
alpine cove
maybe with a hacked client that gives admin privileges, you could bypass the server-side limit, but i doubt it
i assume admins are also affected by the limits
mellow mango
I'm sure Devs have more features than us wee users, but they might use them better than the average user
glass zodiac
anyways what i can say is that only 10% of my particles spawn and they are Ugly Af. gg
mellow mango
And like Ron said, trust systems will help this stuff in the future
noble echo
my avatar is 2.5k poly with 2 materials
fite me, anime girls with 500 titty bones
raven silo
if you know how to make particle better not any problem lag everyone put your idea in vrchat canny they mostly like hear how to fix and adjust it better
alpine cove
well, they can take someone's avatar, i believe. i think that's how the avatar stealing in-game works; the people just give themselves admin privilege in the client
that's how they fly too
mellow mango
@glass zodiac Why do you have 50 particle systems?
alpine cove
funniest story is that almost everyone i've run into using the hacked client is actually a pretty cool person
mellow mango
Hell, 100 particle systems? On one avatar?
alpine cove
i ran into a guy who pretty much only used it because he wanted to fly around
glass zodiac
@mellow mango what are you talking about do you even know what is particle system ?
mellow mango
Yes, do you?
strange wagon
i feel like a high noon animation is easily doable with 10 active at any given time
noble echo
🔥
vocal shard
literally like, most people i've met use hacked clients
glass zodiac
do you know that particles start making lags at 500+ in the same point ?
strange wagon
you'd probably just need to optimize it
glass zodiac
this guys literally asked me why i have 100 particles on my avatar LOL
mellow mango
@glass zodiac Well, actually it doesn't dependent on the particles and said systems.
strange wagon
the actual high noon particles in the game look like 3-5 particle effects at one time lol
mellow mango
I said particle systems. Please learn to 📖
alpine cove
doing particle effects is probably my next thing to learn for vrchat, since i want to add a biotic field to my soldier avatar
mellow mango
Here, have some tips on what does and doesn't work @glass zodiac https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/avatar-particle-system-limits
glass zodiac
when gods of particles runs animations with 1k+ at all
alpine cove
i feel pretty confident with animations and stuff now
and i managed to disconnect part of my avatar into a separate mesh, which i'm happy about
safe prism
something something witch hunt
vital holly
uhh how to get verified exactly?
alpine cove
i think that's a mirror-specific bug, at least
tidal aspen
it looks fine to others
alpine cove
someone has told me that the crossed eyes is a mirror-only issue
raven silo
@vocal shard when you look at your self it going to do that
strange wagon
my avatars pupils clip through the upper eyelid in mirrors. but for everyone around me it doesn't look broken at all 👀
vocal shard
why would they fix mirrors when they could fuck up particles for ppl?
tidal aspen
it's because your model is trying to look at itself with eyetracking
alpine cove
why would they update their free game at all when everyone is just going to be ungrateful pricks about it
christ
not you, Atlas
vocal shard
yikes sorry only positive feedback only i forgot
alpine cove
you're fine <3
raven silo
@vocal shard just use new camera
vital holly
can anyone tell me what does "test on your device" mean?
alpine cove
only constructive feedback
tidal aspen
yeah honestly they have no reason to update the game