vrchat-general-2

[coarse blaze]

my socket is AM3+

[umbral reef]

Thats pretty risky for VRC then

[coarse blaze]

and Phenom II was really

REALLY cheap

for the performance it has

it probably has better cost/performance than 750 Ti

imo

[ruby needle]

that processor might work for desktop but vor vr vrchat it's lacking the power (the phenom II)

[tidal aspen]

vrchat is single threaded so might be a bit weak

[umbral reef]

What did ya pay for it

[coarse blaze]

80, I believe

110 for 750 Ti, 80 for the phenom II, I believe

[rough pulsar]

Whoa, 80 of any currency for a decent quad core cpu is pretty good.

[coarse blaze]

Euros

[umbral reef]

Thats dirt cheap

[rough pulsar]

except bitcoin. 80 bitcoin is a LOT.

[umbral reef]

But that is a super budget pc

[coarse blaze]

also a 30 euros 120gb SSD

[indigo fern]

lul

[coarse blaze]

LOL

[indigo fern]

you got some steals, did you buy from a super desperate guy?

[coarse blaze]

no, dad bought it from his friend

who's a client of his

[umbral reef]

Like you can buy those things for the same price 😂

[indigo fern]

ahh, the, "I know this guy" discount, noice

[ruby needle]

@tidal aspen well it's using my 8 threads rather nicely

[coarse blaze]

my dad works with computers so he has a lot of reliable clients

[umbral reef]

Evne though they are older

[coarse blaze]

but yeah

I'm last year in school so my budget was low

tho I plan to work this summer just for VR

[umbral reef]

Big odds he didnt have to do retail store to pay

[coarse blaze]

well, I'm not sure how things really work with technology and shopping

I just looked for high performance

and low price

[umbral reef]

Its how im able to earn most of my money when installing things
Being able to buy from production and transport price instead of retail price helps a lottt

Well the rule for upgrading a computer right now is

[coarse blaze]

especially with the bitcoin boom

I hope I wouldn't need a better GPU

for VR

[umbral reef]

Steal one
Get super lucky on parts
Cry and pay lots of money for anything decent because the market is fucked

[coarse blaze]

Cause all I want to run is VRChat

I don't care that much about the rest

[devout island]

Depends on where you hang out in game

[coarse blaze]

well, I dislike crowded places

so I rarely spend time in smth like a stacked pub

the most I usually try to go for is like 15-20

most of the times, though, I just go with my friends somewhere Friends+

or to another friend who's in friends+

[rough pulsar]

Cry and pay lots of money

Been there done that, don't regret a thing

[indigo fern]

^

no regerts

[umbral reef]

Well im kinda at the point where my stuff is not duper strong

I cant blow money on everything i want

and new parts are at those hell wanted list

And if i want to do a proper upgrade so like more then 4th gen CPU

Or something like an GTX 1080TI

I have to also upgrade my mobo and reeee

[rough pulsar]

The 1080Ti's are so nice. At least for what I do with mine.

[umbral reef]

mine would be glorified dust eating gaming and basic editing tools

[rough pulsar]

3D rendering with mine.

[umbral reef]

Well i might plan to start doing things online again

I got time now

But at the same time
Working irl is also dope

As that gets me money instead of bragging rights and bullshit drama

[coarse blaze]

Hmm

I'm thinking a bit now

I can have 2 GPUs

[umbral reef]

just make sure they work together properly then

[coarse blaze]

wbb

inserting another 750 Ti

[umbral reef]

and your mobo has to be able to do that

[coarse blaze]

I have ASRock 970 pro3

[ruby needle]

old card SLI is barely worth it, sli at all is only interesting for some specific things

[rough pulsar]

VR doesn't really do much with dual GPU setups yet.

If anything at all.

[ruby needle]

and there is that. no sli vr

[coarse blaze]

not even with the extra 2 gigs of VRam?

[ruby needle]

"extra"

it is not "more" you have

[coarse blaze]

I'm no expert in technology, I just research what parts I use

but I don't research how anything else works

[vocal shard]

I told my dad when I was little when he talked about bitcoin to start fucking getting it or mining it

[indigo fern]

"Several people are typing..."

[floral aspen]

not really true. Nvidia's VRworks means you can split two gpus between each eye

[vocal shard]

Look where it is now

[rough pulsar]

If you're gonna get into VR, might wanna start having at least an idea of how it all works together.

[coarse blaze]

meh

[ruby needle]

@floral aspen that is nice... when the engine uses it 😛

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Thats the thing always though
If i did X thing then Y

[coarse blaze]

get into VR
proceeds to play only VRChat

[indigo fern]

hey, i'll have you know I have at least 10 minutes in space pirate trainer

[coarse blaze]

as I said, my only goal is VRChat

if I can play it

I'll be really happy

[umbral reef]

Thats legit the thing i dont understand...
I bought my vr shit because i have the spare money and when i got time to use it im in heaven
But just to play VRC? Hell naw
Id rather play games like payday vr

That shits more fun at most time then humans

And got myself the doom VR today

[floral aspen]

I know that feel Dswopey. If there were any other decent multiplayer VR games that weren't completely dead it might be different

[coarse blaze]

I'd PROBABLY go for other VR Games

but that'd be later

[rough pulsar]

I think a lot of people have got into VR for vrchat, but you'll find you end up trying other stuff too.

[umbral reef]

And games like superhot or GORN are also dope

[coarse blaze]

my main goal atm is vrchat

[floral aspen]

Robo Recall is tons of fun too

[vocal shard]

VRChat is legit my only goal atm

[coarse blaze]

I will upgrade my GPU sooner or later

[umbral reef]

@rough pulsar I always judged VRC as a bonus

[vocal shard]

becuase I want to hug and headpat the shit outta everyone

[coarse blaze]

but like right now I want VR for VRC

I got to try it today and my mindset about playing desktop has changed COMPLETELY

[vocal shard]

People say it's stretching it with my pc to use a Vive

but possible

[umbral reef]

Like a 400+ game addon pretty much?

Lmao no thanks

[coarse blaze]

Too bad I got rejected when I asked a female whether I could touch their feet

[jaunty apex]

maybe with playmaker we can get new vr games within vrcaht 🤔

[vocal shard]

I gotta get a job so I can probably upgrade my pc slightly then get a Vive

[floral aspen]

its not a maybe. Thats totally possible with playmaker

[umbral reef]

@jaunty apex Depends how much they allow it to be used

[jaunty apex]

true true

[umbral reef]

Pretty sure you can make whole games within vrc if its open enough

[vocal shard]

Then use it in my abysmal in size to use room.

[umbral reef]

Thats something il be willingly to learn ymself

[indigo fern]

i just want NPCs, don't ask why, but I want to interact with multiple choice answers in VR

[floral aspen]

That can also be done with playmaker

[jaunty apex]

playmaker allows for NPCs right?

[indigo fern]

yes

exciting huh?

[coarse blaze]

@little relic what if I overclock the 750 Ti

[jaunty apex]

we can finally get a decenet mmo

vr mmo

[coarse blaze]

would I be able to run it better?

[umbral reef]

Never overclock unless you know what your doing

[coarse blaze]

smh

[umbral reef]

And doing that voids your warranty you love

[coarse blaze]

oh does it?

dang

[little relic]

No it doesn't

[floral aspen]

ehh, expecting a full fledged VRMMO inside of VRChat is pushing it I think

[jaunty apex]

an overclocked 750 ti couldnt handle vr

[coarse blaze]

I don't think it does

I mean

[little relic]

Not unless you do it wrong

[vocal shard]

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

[little relic]

Wtf

[umbral reef]

Your jamming more power then they want into a machine

Ofcours it voids it

[ruby needle]

not necessarily

[little relic]

If you overclock the cpu yes

[vocal shard]

pushes the overclock lever further forward

[coarse blaze]

but then why would they add a program to overclock the GPU

[vocal shard]

MAX POWA!!!!!

[little relic]

GPU not unless you use the overclock program

[coarse blaze]

I had a program with the GPU that let's me increase the power of GPU

[little relic]

Yeah using that doesn't void warranty

[umbral reef]

That doesnt

[coarse blaze]

I just don't think it really works

[umbral reef]

But im talking about going all the way full like some peeps that want to make there thing lots better

[coarse blaze]

at least when I used it a few times I never felt a difference

[umbral reef]

Well it aint a magic button

[ruby needle]

howevery no overclock will increase the VRAM size which with 2gb is simply really low for VRC so not even worth trying 😛

[little relic]

If you had a 750 ti with 4gb you'd be ok

Idk I never seen 2gb tried yet

So I can't say

It's a bit low

[floral aspen]

Dswopey you also have to remember the 750ti is a midrange card from 4 years ago. Even overclocking it you won't see huge performance gains

[coarse blaze]

Does it make a difference which company made it?

[little relic]

I doubt it

[umbral reef]

Kindaish but not really

[coarse blaze]

dang

[ruby needle]

the differences are cooler design (if aftermarked) and base speeds

[indigo fern]

mostly just fan design

[coarse blaze]

oh

[umbral reef]

Cooling and base speed as said ye

[floral aspen]

plus the minimum recommended card for VR is a 970

[coarse blaze]

it's recommended in general

[ruby needle]

that doesnt mean its the absolutely minimum tho

[coarse blaze]

but lower cards can perform well if used in a less-consuming environment

[ruby needle]

yeah

[vocal shard]

Wait my card is a 970

WOOOOO

[indigo fern]

that being said, vrchat itself is very consuming

[vocal shard]

throws money at a vive

[coarse blaze]

VRChat is only CPU dependant

isn't it?

[umbral reef]

minium is the lowest they can guarantee that things go well and smooth on there settings

Only? no

[coarse blaze]

90%

[ruby needle]

@indigo fern its VRAM and CPU consuming, GPU not as much

[umbral reef]

It has a big focus on it yes

[floral aspen]

Its a CPU bound game, but that doesn't mean the GPU isn't important

[ruby needle]

that is true

[devout island]

A good gpu is needed to use vr

[vocal shard]

I gotta 8* core

[ruby needle]

doesnt help if the software can't utilise it

[floral aspen]

mult-core doesn't matter because unity can't take advantage of multiple cores right now

what you want right now is a high clock speed

[ruby needle]

sometimes a dual core with super good IPC / Clock can beat quad's and upwards

on not multi core optimized thigns

like easily

[coarse blaze]

are we talking CPU

or GPU

[floral aspen]

CPU

[coarse blaze]

oh

mine is 3.2GHz

idk whether that's a lot or not

[ruby needle]

ghz doesnt mean a lot on its own

[indigo fern]

thats why the newer i3s stomp on older i7s easily, in gaming at least

[coarse blaze]

well, let's use the benchmark, the ultimate measurement

my CPU benchmark is 4k

[floral aspen]

benchmarks aren't always indicative of real world performance

[coarse blaze]

for 80 euros

[jaunty apex]

Test your pc in steams vr compatibility test

[coarse blaze]

without VR?

[jaunty apex]

Yeah

It simulatea vr

Simulates

[ruby needle]

you dont need a headset to simulate the rendering yeah

it just lacks the output device but still renders the videos to see how well it performs

[coarse blaze]

Oh

I thought I needed

[floral aspen]

all VR does is render everything twice for each eye, so you don't need a headset to simulate that

[devout island]

If you have a bad gpu, that means your fps are screwed entirely

[ruby needle]

depends on single pass or not

VRC does use single pass stereo so it only renders it once

[coarse blaze]

it takes 5GB space

lol

[ruby needle]

it still renders 2 images tho, desktop window and hmd

[coarse blaze]

Hmm

[umbral reef]

most vr tools take up a ton of space

[coarse blaze]

does it matter whether it's SSD or HDD?

for VR?

when running a program

I mean

[ruby needle]

not really

loading times will increase

but else it should be fine

[coarse blaze]

yeah that I DEFINITELY feel

xd

[floral aspen]

I didn't notice a difference when running VRC on my HDD vs my SDD other than slightly shorter load times

[devout island]

Performance test is a little under 5gb

[ruby needle]

@floral aspen you mean symlinked?

[coarse blaze]

meh I should get it fast

10mb/s bandwidth

[devout island]

Good enough

[floral aspen]

I didn't symlink it. I moved my steam library over to my SSD

[ruby needle]

thing is

vrc uses the appdata

[floral aspen]

thats true, I forgot about that

[ruby needle]

which doesnt change when you move the steam libary 😛

[coarse blaze]

the reason I asked is cause SSD is a little slippery on space

I have a lot of games for a total of 270GB capacity I have

[devout island]

If you have money you can buy one with good space

[coarse blaze]

120GB SSD and 150 HDD I believe

[floral aspen]

same dswopey, thats why I only put my favorite games on my SSD and everything else on my HDD

[coarse blaze]

I used to have my windows on 70GB HDD

god that was such a hell

[ruby needle]

i only have my speedrun game on SSD, else the good old HDD's are totally fine

[coarse blaze]

games freezing randomly for a minute n shit

[devout island]

How old was the HDD

[coarse blaze]

REALLY old

[devout island]

2000s or 2010 era

[coarse blaze]

idk if cache means anything, one friend said cache was too low

[winged quartz]

hi

[coarse blaze]

8mb cache

[devout island]

Holy shit

[coarse blaze]

I think it's 2000s

[devout island]

Hello Bornato

[floral aspen]

dswopey you know you can get a 1 TB HDD for like $45 right?

[coarse blaze]

Yeah

give me money

xd

[winged quartz]

Hi Nimbo

[coarse blaze]

I decided to go for an SSD over a 1TB HDD

[ruby needle]

you should always pair an SSD with an HDD

[coarse blaze]

I love when my pc boots up in 3 seconds and shuts down in 4

yeah I have a 150 HDD

[ruby needle]

that is... not allot

[coarse blaze]

I did say I'm prob the most budget you will ever see

[floral aspen]

that might have sufficed like 10... 15 years ago

[ruby needle]

http://Shared.DJ-FPaul.de/e76aLL61ng.png

[floral aspen]

nowadays 150GB is nothing

[ruby needle]

[coarse blaze]

750 Ti, Phenom II, 120 SSD for 30 euros

150 HDD

and 4GB Ram

[ruby needle]

4gb ram

[coarse blaze]

with 2 square monitors (LUL)

[winged quartz]

150 HDD

[indigo fern]

4:3 monitors

[coarse blaze]

I feel bullied

[floral aspen]

yeah, I'm just not seeing you run VRC in VR with those specs

[coarse blaze]

that's what I get for living in a country as shitty as Lithuania

[ruby needle]

not at all

[coarse blaze]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged quartz]

I have no emote here to express the feeling

[ruby needle]

especially the ram

[indigo fern]

this is how we show our love, dont worry

[floral aspen]

need 8GB minimum

[ruby needle]

4gb, you wanna tripple that

i was hitting cap on 12gb , closing browers and shit

[coarse blaze]

A lot of programs say 8GB minimum

but I run most of em with 4 just fine

[devout island]

You need 6GB minimum nowadays

[coarse blaze]

but modded minecraft made me realise the importance of RAM

and I know 4GB is shit

[indigo fern]

muh tabs though

[floral aspen]

gotta go all out and get 32GB lol

[winged quartz]

getting to know your computer through Minecraft

lul

[coarse blaze]

and yeah I use chrome

[ruby needle]

32gb

[coarse blaze]

@winged quartz Ironically, Minecraft is the game that made me realise games can also be CPU-dependant

[ruby needle]

you're better have a shit tone of chorme tabs to justify that

[floral aspen]

I do 😃

[coarse blaze]

I once had 100 tabs ope

n

no wait

80

[winged quartz]

That's true

When I got my i7 7700k minecraft ran smoothly on 999 fps :LUL:

[coarse blaze]

all for the sake of saving lewd anime pictures

and I had those 80 tabs open with that 70gbb hdd

so that was a nightmare

[devout island]

My crappy laptop wishes it could run minecraft at 100fps

[coarse blaze]

I can't even run FTB properly

[ruby needle]

if its a laptop it's propably a non existant dedicated gpu and slow processors

[winged quartz]

I used to have a laptop with a fucking good GPU

[coarse blaze]

I launched the test

[winged quartz]

and a crappy CPU

[coarse blaze]

and I can hear thru my headphones

that my computer is being eaten away

lmao

[winged quartz]

oh, the minecraft days

[devout island]

This laptop has a crappy nvidia so not so bad

[ruby needle]

@coarse blaze if you really plan on getting vr you will need the full package

a new CPU, a newer GPU with 4gb vram or more, more ram, and.. the headset

[floral aspen]

yeah, you might as well buy a pre-built VR ready pc while you're at it

[indigo fern]

^

[devout island]

3GB is pretty crap, get the 1060 6gb

[ruby needle]

the system is simply super outdated

for VR at least

[floral aspen]

cheaper than building yourself with how expensive RAM and graphics cards are these days

[winged quartz]

6GB should do the trick

[ruby needle]

4gb+

[devout island]

1060 isn't that expensive anyway

[winged quartz]

Yeah

[ruby needle]

well, tell that people who dont have the money

[winged quartz]

3GB to 6GB on 1060 isn't too far

[floral aspen]

1060 prices are all kinds of jacked up thanks to crypto miners

[ruby needle]

trying to score a good used 970 might be a good option too

[winged quartz]

True

[vocal shard]

Is better a i5 4690 or amd fx of series 8XXX

[coarse blaze]

YO

it says

the processor is good

[winged quartz]

if you don't mind on not getting the best performance

[ruby needle]

@vocal shard stay away from FX

[indigo fern]

i5, fx is just old

[devout island]

i5

[floral aspen]

fx are outdated and prone to overheating

[winged quartz]

my i5 5500 used to have some trouble running vrchat

[coarse blaze]

@floral aspen so I ran the test

[ruby needle]

@coarse blaze nope your cpu will die with VRC and VR maybe for good optimized multiplayer games its good (and the test) but vrc, nah

[coarse blaze]

Looking at it

the frames were like solid 50-70

[floral aspen]

also scratch that on the 1060. They've had a nice price drop since I last checked. PNY 1060 is $230 on amazon right now

[devout island]

Do you think that's good

[coarse blaze]

idk

[winged quartz]

if you install anything it will go to 30~50 :lul:

[coarse blaze]

:/

I won't have the budget

[devout island]

VRchat needs 90fps

[coarse blaze]

for a 1k PC AND VR

90fps for best experience

[winged quartz]

VRC doesn't exactly need 90fps

[coarse blaze]

but I don't need best experience

I just want experience

[winged quartz]

but it's the best way to play it

[indigo fern]

just give it time, prices will change, you might find some deals too

[winged quartz]

Yeah, also that

[coarse blaze]

VR needs 90 fps for its refresh rate

[ruby needle]

you want to have 90 at idle in avatar testing tho

[winged quartz]

keep an eye on websites that sell them

[ruby needle]

@coarse blaze it doesnt NEED it but it should be the target

[floral aspen]

let me just tell you my performance DsWopey. With an i7-4790k, gtx 980, and 32GB of RAM, if I get into a room with lots of particle effects and people. I can expect anywhere from 45-70 fps

[devout island]

From your CPU, I'd expect 20-30fps

[coarse blaze]

idk, it says Ready

[winged quartz]

also on vr your frames are cropped from anything bellow 90 to 45, so

[coarse blaze]

xd

well, my CPU can easily handle up to 20 people approximately

[ruby needle]

@coarse blaze maybe, on multicore optimized vr games BUT NOT VRCHAT

and i wonder how it says ready on a system with 4gb ram

😄

[coarse blaze]

after that it depends on how gay the people are with their obnoxious particles

[devout island]

You have no idea

[ruby needle]

^

[coarse blaze]

I usually block them tho

if they really are causing issues

[winged quartz]

I try not to block anyone

[ruby needle]

particles are not really the thing that is heavy on performance

[coarse blaze]

I thought I'd never block anyone

[winged quartz]

because sometimes people are just showing off stuff

[floral aspen]

wopey if VRChat can bring my i7 to its knees don't expect much from yours

[ruby needle]

its drawcalls and dynamic bones

[winged quartz]

that's why you should just block avatars

[coarse blaze]

but I just can't NOT block extremely obnoxious people

you can't block one person's avatar, sadly

can you?

[winged quartz]

still not

planned

[devout island]

You can go into safe mode

[coarse blaze]

yeah no, I don't want everyone to be muted/gone

[floral aspen]

sure you can. just select them and hit the block button

[coarse blaze]

cuz of 1 guy

lmao

[ruby needle]

sadly you can also not "unblock" people from safe mode

without friending them

[coarse blaze]

not even if you select them in the social menu?

[ruby needle]

like "allow" users avatars

[winged quartz]

they're probably gonna add an "show/hide avatar"

[indigo fern]

in safe mode he's talking about

[winged quartz]

so safe mode is just gonna hide everybody's at once

[floral aspen]

yeah thats an unfortunate downside to safe mode, but better than no safe mode

[ruby needle]

yes everyone's except your friends

[winged quartz]

ye

[full ivy]

socialize is good^^

[winged quartz]

🤔

[coarse blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315536092977692674/436656748737331220/unknown.png

here, I made a link for it

for the test results

that does look shitty

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[devout island]

Time to upgrade

[vocal shard]

My friend has a pc whit fx 8350 and nvida 960, the game run regular..

[ruby needle]

93,3% of frames below 90

@vocal shard desktop or vr?

[coarse blaze]

surprised nobody has pointed out windows 7

[ruby needle]

why

[coarse blaze]

idk

[devout island]

Why should that matter

[ruby needle]

still best system

[floral aspen]

lots of people still use win7

[coarse blaze]

a lot of people bitch about me using win7

[indigo fern]

windows 7 is good, wot?

[vocal shard]

Me english is poor, sorry

[devout island]

Statistically, there are more people using W7 than W10

[floral aspen]

nothing wrong with win7

[coarse blaze]

Idk, I like win7

but

I'm depressed about one thing using it

I CAN'T EMULATE FATE/GRAND ORDER

[ruby needle]

make a sandbox with windows 10 in windos 7

[floral aspen]

^

[inner cape]

Cant you just use a phone emulator 🤔

[coarse blaze]

that's too much of a hassle

the game blocks roots

[inner cape]

Yikes

[floral aspen]

Virtual machines aren't super hard to set up if you're just gonna use win10

[devout island]

Bluestacks or something

[coarse blaze]

yeah it doesn't work

only with memu

since you can "alter" the script of a program

the game has a script that detects root

and gives you an error while launching

if there's even the slightest trace of it

[floral aspen]

pretty sure theres rooted apps that hide the fact that your phone is rooted

[ruby needle]

yes

[finite kraken]

so i am getting this error when setting up my vive

[ruby needle]

and blocking a root acess by default sounds super dumb

[finite kraken]

and it never happened before

[ruby needle]

there are default rooted phones right out of the package

[coarse blaze]

I use iphone

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby needle]

ugh

[floral aspen]

lame

[ruby needle]

crapple

[coarse blaze]

hey it was cheap

[winged quartz]

I'm back what did I miss xd

[coarse blaze]

and it's good

100 euros for iphone 5

I'm loving it, doesn't lag at all

can browse lewds without any lag

the only downside is the accesibility towards apps

[floral aspen]

we'll see how long that lasts after a few ios updates

lol

[ruby needle]

[coarse blaze]

Hey I'm already on the latest

LUL

[winged quartz]

https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/438100/ss_e69c783cdd90b0c67fe59fd0591b23182923280d.jpg?t=1515998953

[vocal shard]

That’s why I want to buy a intel..

[coarse blaze]

can't go further since the others are for higher iphones

[winged quartz]

look at this print

:lul:

[coarse blaze]

idk

[indigo fern]

It looks like old business men designed it

[winged quartz]

Ikr

[coarse blaze]

I really wish I could spam play VRC with VR

but

I jsut can't get 1.6k euros

in 3 months

I'll be happy if I manage to get like 800

[ruby needle]

for 800 you can do a nice upgrade

[coarse blaze]

with VR included?

[ruby needle]

however you need to consider one thing. new intel and amd processors will request windows 10

[coarse blaze]

I have AM3+ socket

[winged quartz]

oculus should be 400 euros 🤔

[coarse blaze]

a.k.a

FX 6300

I think

[ruby needle]

NO FX

[coarse blaze]

is the highest-priced processor

[ruby needle]

for vr

they are CRAP

[floral aspen]

really would not recommend FX processors

[ruby needle]

yes

they are garbage

[indigo fern]

in no situation should you get an fx

[ruby needle]

the phenoms where better

ryzen however is a good option

[coarse blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315536092977692674/436658842072252426/unknown.png

@winged quartz only in Lithuania

[indigo fern]

ouch

I'll pray for you

[ruby needle]

thats... a lot o.O

[coarse blaze]

oh yeah did I say

[winged quartz]

reeeeeee

[coarse blaze]

that our gross minimum

[winged quartz]

dude

[coarse blaze]

is 400 euros

with 33% taxes

which would make it like 260

[winged quartz]

that's because you didn't see how much it costs here

[ruby needle]

33% LUL

[floral aspen]

das expensive

[coarse blaze]

we also have 21% consumer tax

[azure charm]

Ayy wazzup

[coarse blaze]

so that's one of the reasons it might be that high

[winged quartz]

http://prntscr.com/j7l5xg
basically 930,44 dollars

[coarse blaze]

but what's your minimum wage

[floral aspen]

I got mine when it was still $600 but now its down to $400 in the U.S

[coarse blaze]

you probably get a lot of money too

[winged quartz]

900 R$

that's like

wait, 900 R$ per month, sorry

that's like, 270 dollars

[floral aspen]

in the U.S. minimum wage depends on the state. For example in Texas its $7.25/hr

[coarse blaze]

well, slightly less than Lithuania, I guess

it's 2.36 euros per hour here

which is like what

2.6$/hr

[winged quartz]

oh well

I'm sorry man

I feel you

[simple tinsel]

Why doesn't the new pvp map have a spectate.

[floral aspen]

you're asking the wrong people program lol

[winged quartz]

Even tho I receive a good amount of money because I'm a programmer

[coarse blaze]

quite unfortunate to be born in a country with such shitty economy

[winged quartz]

It's crap

[coarse blaze]

but at least fortunate the crime rates are low here

BUT

[winged quartz]

I can't say the same

[coarse blaze]

we have the highest suicide rate

[winged quartz]

:LUL:

[coarse blaze]

LOL

highest suicide rate in the world*

[simple tinsel]

Nah just voicing into nothingness @floral aspen

[floral aspen]

ahh, gotcha

[coarse blaze]

so y'know

think like this

can't have crimes when everyone are killing themselves

:smartguy:

[winged quartz]

Well

Can't kill yourself if somebody else is killing you

:brainlet:

[coarse blaze]

🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[winged quartz]

gotta take the trash out brb

[inner cape]

Yikes

[coarse blaze]

I can't ship to Lithuania through official site

Heh

so yeah

I guess I'm not getting a VR

[ruby needle]

nope

you'll need a complete upgrade first

[coarse blaze]

and if I do a complete upgrade, I won't have money for VR

IF I do a complete upgrade

[inner cape]

Wait

[ruby needle]

well you'r pc wont get newer, you definitely should consider an upgrade if you want to keep up with newer stuff

[inner cape]

I have a friend from Lithuania

He got his vr

[coarse blaze]

I guess

Yeah my friend also bought VR last week

he's still extremely happy about it

and I got to try it today

[inner cape]

Dont know where, i think amazon. Thats where I got mine as well

[coarse blaze]

and I was left astonished by the difference between VR and desktop

[ruby needle]

👌 its great

[coarse blaze]

it was also my first time in VR

[floral aspen]

yeah VR is amazing

[azure charm]

Anyone else not have anyone to play with?

[coarse blaze]

and I was completely fine after like over half an hour of usage

even though they told me I'd feel sick

[ruby needle]

thats is very very VERY very VEEEERRY different for each individual

[floral aspen]

only a certain percentage of people feel motion sickness

[azure charm]

😦

[coarse blaze]

well, he does

but he read that after a week of using VR it'll be fine

[floral aspen]

my dad felt pretty bad but I never experienced any motion sickness

[coarse blaze]

I was dizzy the first 5 minutes of using VR

[azure charm]

Ok bye then

[coarse blaze]

but then I got used to the movements

and it was fine

even after LOTS of REALLY hard spinning

and to my surprise

Vive is really light

[floral aspen]

I'm scared to spin because I'll get tangled in the hdmi cable

[coarse blaze]

I heard a lot of complaints that it's heavy

I guess the people are just weaklins

No I mean like

I didn't spin

the screen spinned

[floral aspen]

ohhh okay. Spinning in the game

[coarse blaze]

Like

we were 5 in a room

and one guy was trolling me by moving the mouse

which made it spin

[ruby needle]

the vive is rather heavy, yes, but not everyone has a big problem with it

[little relic]

@coarse blaze do you wear glasses?

[coarse blaze]

idk, I didn't feel any weight with it

No I don't

[little relic]

Oh ok, harder to use glasses on rift

[floral aspen]

Its a little heavier than the rift, but not heavy overall

[coarse blaze]

I'm really used to monitors and all that stuff, tho

ah you meant that

but I won't be able to have a VR in the next year, sadly

[brave coral]

I just had a frecking heart attack today

[coarse blaze]

I overhyped it

[floral aspen]

In a year I'm expecting to hear about gen 2 headsets

[coarse blaze]

isn't pro considered gen 2?

[floral aspen]

no

more like gen 1.5

[little relic]

The Samsung Odyssey has the same specs as the Vive Pro

[floral aspen]

its just a vive with a higher res screen

[coarse blaze]

the price for it is insane, tho

friend bought vive for 600 euros

[little relic]

And it's $800 cheaper

[floral aspen]

yeah, its insanely overpriced

[coarse blaze]

but said Pro costs around 1.2k

[floral aspen]

not worth

[little relic]

I got the odyssey as well

The tracking is not bad at all

[ruby needle]

the Odyssey is a inside out wmr tracking system tho. and that is crap

[little relic]

For vrchat it actually does suck

[ruby needle]

yes

[little relic]

For everything else it's fine imo

Cuz vrchat you do a lot of movements

Outside of your view area

[coarse blaze]

so yeah, as I said, I got overhyped for it

kind of a regrettable decision to try VR

[ruby needle]

yeah, but even stuff like bowling or so wont work on a WMR

[coarse blaze]

but also a really amazing experience

[finite kraken]

so i broke my vive and i am super just done with it and idk what to do now

[little relic]

Still has a much better screen

Same as vive pro's

[coarse blaze]

I guess I'll just endure another year or two of playing VRChat desktop

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little relic]

@coarse blaze Google cardboard

jk

[ruby needle]

[coarse blaze]

I don't think I'll be able to handle desktop for that long

after trying VR

[floral aspen]

by the time you get the money for VR gen 2 headsets might be out which means gen 1 headsets will probably get a price cut

[little relic]

Ever try being in vr while drunk

lol

[coarse blaze]

cause like, before today

I'd play desktop casually you know

after VR

shit was actually pretty boring

when you can't move your hands n stuff

[floral aspen]

yeah, its hard to go back to desktop after trying VR

[little relic]

Once you go vr you never go back

[coarse blaze]

the perspective is also completely different

like

[finite kraken]

does anyone have vive?

[ruby needle]

yes it is completely different

[coarse blaze]

in VR a guy my char's heigh was HUGE

[little relic]

When I first tried vr in vrc I was a small character

[coarse blaze]

and my model is 1.57m high

[floral aspen]

I don't cupcake

[little relic]

The perspective tripped me out

[ruby needle]

😄

[little relic]

I felt so tiny

[ruby needle]

cus you where

tiny

[coarse blaze]

Well

my model is also below average

so it was also trippy for me

with everyone being extremey huge

but it also helped me get the feeling of the character I use

[little relic]

Being a giant character and looking down at small people is also fun

[coarse blaze]

since I use the character's real height for my avatar

[ruby needle]

^

that is what you should do

and unfortunately A LOT DONT

[coarse blaze]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've been using that avatar for like 2-3 months now

it's really unique since it's hard to find

and it's really well-made

and the only version of that character

or rather, it's not hard to find

you just need to think how to find it

since a lot of people just brainlessly browse deviantart

and expect good shit

[ruby needle]

i personally think it should be a requirement to have the demo avatar visible on szene to be able to press the upload button

[coarse blaze]

wym

also, probably the best experience I had while being in my character was the dynamic bones

like, I have stripes going down from my shoulders that are part of the clothing/character

and the dynamic bones are separated so they would work A LOT smoother

and moving my hands with those bones looked SOOO DAMN COOL

I wish I could see it again (which I probably will, assuming friend let's me use it more)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315536092977692674/436664855718658050/unknown.png

imagine these having really smooth dynamic bones

as they move with your arms

by smooth I mean like liquid-smooth

[simple tinsel]

I can't imagine. That's why videos were made.

[coarse blaze]

well

I can't show video

[indigo fern]

Some people use the cloth modifier to get them super pretty capes n stuff

[coarse blaze]

Wym

For smoother movement?

[indigo fern]

Yea, in unity the cloth component moves an object by vertex, way more taxing, but damn does it look good

[ruby needle]

it is not more taxing with when the PhysX API is available afaik

which makes it gpu processed not cpu

so even would be more optimized 😛

(for nvidea users )

[indigo fern]

:0 hype

[coarse blaze]

Idk

Since muh friend really likes toying with dynamic bones

He found a way to do almost realistic movement

[inner cape]

[coarse blaze]

It's less optimized tho

Since instead of having 7 dynamic bones

In that one stripe

I have 11 I think

Like, I didn't do any bone merging

[indigo fern]

Omg, what a mad man

[coarse blaze]

He somehow found just the right values for them to move so fuckin smooth

Which means every single bone has a different value somewhere

Also why is autosuggest linking value with the female genitalia

Really sad we couldn't apply glow shader to the stripes

Applying any sort of outline or a shader that's not cubeds would make the stripes visible only from one side (2D pretty much instead of 3D)

At least I have glowing panties

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric sphinx]

Is this game gonna get optimized?

It runs a little hard on my computer and i have almost everything super good

[inner cape]

@lyric sphinx super good... ? Give more detail please.

[simple tinsel]

lower your graphics on vrchat

[inner cape]

I hope you're being ironic...

[lyric sphinx]

I have a 1050 ti, 8gb ram, and a ryzen 7 1700x

[inner cape]

And you play with vr, right?

[lyric sphinx]

Yeah

[inner cape]

Well no wonder then.

You have bare minimum for vr + the game hits hard on your processor so sometimes vr is hungry on processing power which makes you lag.

[lyric sphinx]

I have one of the best processors right now

[inner cape]

Your gpu on the other hand is weak.

[ruby needle]

the ryzen is a really good multi thread processor

[lyric sphinx]

Yeah, its a medium. That shouldnt bee too much of the issue

[ruby needle]

vrc is not best at multithreading tho 😛

(yet)

[lyric sphinx]

Well

Should i over clock?

Is overclocking bad?

[ruby needle]

as long as you only raise the multiplier an oc is never really bad

[inner cape]

It's early access after all. There's still room to improve. There's a ton of issues with player-made maps and avatars which cannot be controlled effectively right now.

[lyric sphinx]

I get yah

[inner cape]

I wouldn't recommend oc if youre not familiar with it

[lyric sphinx]

I'm not

I've been told about it

But thats all

I'm just curious because it could pottentially mean playing something like black ops 3 on max settings

I can play with some things turned on high

I struggled to stream infinite warfare and bo3

[vale palm]

whos the author of the avatar test world again? :>

[viscid kelp]

guys what happened to Als Avatar Corridors?

its not on any world list

[vocal shard]

I got 32 gb ram and 1070 ti

Vrchat runs smooth

[ruby needle]

you forgott the most imporant thing

the cpu

[inner cape]

Well yeah? It's suppose to do that?

[ruby needle]

😛

[ember rune]

Gotta say... the mic quality of the developer update was kinda bad. content was sweet though!

[ruby needle]

it wan't really the mic quality but the blowing into the mic 😛

[ember rune]

yeah, i'd chalk it all up under mic quality. as higher quality mics dont make noise like that when you blow into them

[ruby needle]

that is not correct

you can also make wind noises with neuman studio mics

but if you have one, you propably know how to handle it correctly

[ember rune]

I'm using an at2035 and either my pop filter is doing a great job, or the mic isnt making anywhere near as crazy a noise as the one in the video

[ruby needle]

yes a pop filter does a good job with preventing that

[inner cape]

He was using a vr mic prolly

[ruby needle]

likely yes

the vive one's is not that great

[ember rune]

The rift one (never used a vive) is really impressive. Beating out most gaming headsets imo

[ruby needle]

yes the rift mic is really good

[inner cape]

Never heard myself properly in it so cant tell

[ember rune]

i can do a recording sample if you want?

[inner cape]

Don't bother

My vrc schedule has been random nowadays so I dont know when i'll be on

[ember rune]

i mean post it here 😛

[inner cape]

?

[ruby needle]

its a normal mic

so recording a sample and sharing that here is what he/she ment

[ember rune]

https://clyp.it/ddxmtxiz there for anyone interested

[inner cape]

I gotta shleep now.

Nighto.

[ember rune]

It lacks a little low end but its really crisp and clear.

[ruby needle]

since its designed for vocal communication its perfect

[ember rune]

perhaps switching to a rift mic or getting someone to do a VO may be a better idea for the next one?

[ruby needle]

it has a really low noisefloor

and has a clear recording

im surprised how good it sounds for where it is mounted

[ember rune]

yeah, i live above a noisy parking garage and it doesnt pick up any of it.

[ruby needle]

if you want more lows you could also use a eq on it but not that it is needed

EqualizerAPO works with it

[ember rune]

I would do it in post like i normally do for my VO stuff. A tiny bit of eq and compression and you get that "Radio voice"

[ruby needle]

eq in post doesn work well tho

for live chatting

[ember rune]

well i wouldnt use my rift for VO xD

[ruby needle]

but that was what i was about

if you wanted to eq the rift's mic

[ember rune]

yeah then apo

[ruby needle]

can also realise noise gates via VST's

[ember rune]

but i dont see the need to

[ruby needle]

no, not for what its made for 😄

[ember rune]

Either way, I'd love to see the audio quality improve for the next developer update. I'd happily lend my voice for it if they wanted someone to do it. I'd even do it for free as I love VRChat

[full ivy]

i love my vive :3

also if the left controller that allows me to move, sometimes it keeps locked on going forward 😮

and also because i bought the vive, because it has more stuff

than oculus rift

[ruby needle]

what 😄

[full ivy]

like games and gadget.

[devout island]

Accuracy is better for sure

[ruby needle]

the tracking isnt significantly better no

and actually vive is worse with games

it can use oculus exclusives

while oculus can use all steam/vive games

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full ivy]

that depends on how good you are at using the controllers 😛

and no, oculus cannot use vive games 😛

[ruby needle]

from a technical point neighter of both has a big pro or con

vive games as in steamvr games that oculus and wmr can both access too?

[full ivy]

if they are compatible with each other then should be fine

but if one is compatible with vive only, you cannot use the oculus rift to play it, because it would result a messy gameplay

same thing goes if one game is compatible with oculus rift only

(vive would do a messy gameplay on oculus rift game only)

[ruby needle]

there is a big difference, oculus has exclusives in its home store.

[full ivy]

unless, using the "revive" program thing

[ruby needle]

not just controller optimization / support

yes... the same way goes the other direction too tho 😛

if you want to count that programm

[full ivy]

hehe

but anyways i've saw on steam that most of the VR games are compatible with vive, so why not?^^"

[devout island]

And also full body tracking

[ruby needle]

you mean the one that is out of production and runs you another arm and leg?

[full ivy]

also would be cool if i had full body tracking >_> but sadly can't due to price too high, also if if i want it, i must wait tons of time or like forever to take 1 by 1

[ember rune]

I went with the Rift due to price. The vive (here the rift is 399 with touch and the vive is 499) is a chunk more expensive and I just dont have the space for room scale. Either headset works for most games so its a case of if you want to pay extra for the vive + roomscale

[full ivy]

i bought the vive for 600€ 😮

[ruby needle]

i would prefere the oculus over the vive for its controlls and leighter weight, in better mic and included headphone stuff

[full ivy]

mic and headphones can easily be any XD

[ember rune]

I've never used the vive ones but the rift controllers are super comfortable

[ruby needle]

yes

[full ivy]

like i use this Logitech headset with mic

[ruby needle]

especially for vrchat

[stray jackal]

hey does anyone know what it is you are suppose to do to get more frames for vrchat

[full ivy]

(really gud stuff the logitech)

[ruby needle]

the rift's mice is really good tho, doesn add extra weight, is always perfectly positioned and doesnt run an extra cable

[stray jackal]

i found the answer somewhere and did it and it worked but i need to remember it again for a friend

[ember rune]

You can turn down the rendered resolution of the headset in its respective software.

[stray jackal]

hes not using vr

[ember rune]

ah.

[ruby needle]

and since when is Logitech really good stuff
it's okay mostly but not really good stuff. neighter price/value ration nor the high end products

[stray jackal]

how do i get to the render thing

i know it was in some type of settings

[ruby needle]

hold shift while launching for vrc graphic settings

[ember rune]

the rendering thing is for vr headsets

[full ivy]

_>

[stray jackal]

i think thats it

ima see

[ember rune]

change it to desktop low and turn down the resolution

more frames 😄

[ruby needle]

desktop low, yes

but carefull with rez

[full ivy]

well, my logitech webcam went defective after the upgrades and stuff for my PC >_> just need a new one that supports totally Win10 and that has good video quality

[ruby needle]

it can get blurry on desktop really fast

logitech webcames are fine, my comment was about its audio gear

which you refered to by headset

[full ivy]

on my audio is nice but if there loud noise, it may go over my mic^^"

and if one asks me to wear headphones, i would just say that i'm using one >_>

• i would say, then buy me a Razer Kraken (lol)

[ruby needle]

the thing with gaming headphones is they distribute the priorities wrong

all has to be LED, SUPER DESIGN, SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7.1 !!!!

insted of

good mic capsule

and 2 decent drivers (speakers)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full ivy]

what about Razer?

[ruby needle]

🗑

razer is the worst gaming marketing company, you pay so much for the "brand"

and its mostly average

they do sell ok gear... but the price is not right for a lot of them

[full ivy]

yeh >_> too expensive for cool stuff

also if i could say that surely in € will cost more for me 😛 or so

but Pounds is more cheaper. lol £

nyeh

[signal thunder]

Anybody else having trouble connecting

[upbeat condor]

i was just dc a while ago

[full ivy]

sometimes i have trouble with VR chat sometimes

some happens because of the base station range or something, sometimes the lag itself

or when there too much stuff like particles and stuff

on the great pug got blinded from big bad picture >_< (not the big bad wolf :P)

weren't able to see other stuff 😛

[gilded haven]

can some one please help me with oculus issures im running into one

[vocal shard]

can i please talk to someone from the vr chat team ?

[hasty wedge]

bla bla we can't talk in pm's so please email us at x

[vocal shard]

vrchat crashes like mad on windows mixed reality

[winged quartz]

howdy

who's ingame rn?

[devout island]

I can go in right now

[shy nest]

11560+ people

o

you changed it

[winged quartz]

naisu nimbo

what's your nickname

[devout island]

Same as discord name

[winged quartz]

just nimbo?

[devout island]

Yep

Makes it easier for other people

[winged quartz]

uhh I added you

[devout island]

Oh nice I'm gonna join in right now

Finally I can get to play with someone who isn't afk

[ruby needle]

but you didnt even see Bornato yet

[devout island]

Not yet

[ruby needle]

maybe he/she uses the AFK avatar

so it's someone who is afk

[devout island]

Whatever as long as they talk

[ruby needle]

[winged quartz]

lmao

FPaul what's your ingame nickname xd

[ruby needle]

try to guess

[winged quartz]

xd

[ruby needle]

the same

[winged quartz]

already added you sily

[devout island]

Can I add you fpaul

[ruby needle]

do it, no balls

(sure)

[devout island]

Yay

[shy nest]

when americans try to diss your country but they know nothing about it

[cinder arrow]

...

someone trolling werewolf game :c

they are invisible

idk what to doooo

am livestreaming it right now but can't even see their name so nothing I can do about it lol

[full ivy]

be careful that the host of the instance may kick you for a joke or for no reason :/

[cinder arrow]

what?

[full ivy]

the one that hosts the instance of the place 😛

[cinder arrow]

why would the kick me?

[full ivy]

idk but could happen (because it happened to me for a silly joke :P)

[cinder arrow]

oh

idk I'm not the one trolling the game

but it ended early now

bummer

[full ivy]

yea^^"

[sly veldt]

https://www.twitch.tv/spazkoga trying out new camera in a special build. Be adding it soon to VRChat

[grand plaza]

Has anyone noticed big als isn't listed anymore?

[devout island]

It is listed but it's not very popular

[sly veldt]

if he updated it, might be waiting for a push

Search for it and make sure it's there. You can also use hub portal to access

[gilded haven]

you know i wonder if my issues is that i have a gtx 960

but i refuse to belive that

[sly veldt]

If you hold down control the entire time you launch VRChat you can set unity resolution on desktop to way lower

[gilded haven]

this isnt vr its more trying to install oculus rift i just have an issue were every time it says required drivers are to install it doesnt

[uncut trail]

Which wmr is better for vrchat ?

[hasty cedar]

why does everyone think Murasame is called banana bread? ;-;

[vocal shard]

🤔

[alpine cove]

i feel like safe mode needs to be a lot more responsive or something

hit safe mode, every avatar blocked except the guy who crashes me lol

[opaque hawk]

@uncut trail I have the dell one and I think its pretty great. But I hear the lenovo and samsung ones are the best. I would say go for the Samsung Odyssey since it has an oled screen.

[vocal shard]

Save mode doesnt stop particles

[coarse blaze]

Not even if you don't see the avatar?

Or is it more like it simply unrenders all avatars, but the game reads that it's there

[vocal shard]

yo who is whiskers??

[uncut trail]

No VR for 2-3 weeks due to it getting repaired (faulty hdmi cable and overheating)

[stoic cloak]

What'd you use that got overheated?

[uncut trail]

It was going hot/warm few times and stopped till Monday giving me black screen in vr screen (pc is fine and was able to see it tracking and moving on the mirror (mixed portal)