vive pro is like $2000 xd
#vrchat-general-2
agile echo
safe yacht
You'llhave to tell us why
safe yacht
why get a new, unsupported WMR?
near gust
oculus is worth it for the most part, i'm getting the WMR because i cant afford the others right now
stone current
oculus super cheap and work well
safe yacht
Over here, the WMR cost about equally to an Oculus
safe yacht
Seems like it was just a troll.
near gust
according to a person on youtube whos been reviewing the WMR, the lenovo is more comfortable and has the 110 degree FOV so i should get it. But the dell which has a higher build wuality, isnt as comfortable and and has a 105 FOV. and is $20 cheaper. he says i should get the lenovo.
this is a curious situation to be in
stone current
110 fov is creepy
vocal shard
Anyone having issues uploading avatars rn?
near gust
because the dell is usually more than the lenovo
near gust
i feel like i should get the dell since its $20 less and has the higher build quality.
yeah the FOV is about using your eyes to look around instead of having to turn your whole head to see someone whos infront of you
smaller FOV results in a tunnel vision effect
strange storm
dont forget the tracking with the "WMR" is based on frontal cameras on the headset itself.
so its a bit wonky
near gust
also true. but most of the actual play i've seen with it has been smooth enough
strange storm
yeah its good just have to move hands infront of you a bit every so often
good cheap alternative.
near gust
if you're playing a game which has your hands at your sides or behind you a lot, then the WMR wont work to great in it however
rough pulsar
Having both a vive and an Acer WMR, when you've tried both the tracking on WMR is noticably worse and more error prone in comparison to the vive.
strange storm
yeah it is
near gust
i mean, yes, and if i could afford the vive i'd likely get it
strange storm
personally id say just save up for the vive lol
near gust
not that i cant get the $600 but videogames arent a priority in my life. so ultimatly its "what else can i spend the $400 on"
sullen harbor
if waitings a thing, i'm sure the vive will drop in price when the pro comes out
strange storm
dont go out to eat as often and youll save it up in no time haha XD
near gust
yeah but i havnt doubts it will drop to WMR prices
sullen harbor
have you used a vive fireking?
strange storm
competition will likely change the pricing in the market but who knows when or by how much
near gust
i have not no
rough pulsar
No way will the vive drop to WMR prices.
Every time I hear something about HTC's vive sales basically points to "It's selling well so there's no reason to do any massive price drops"
strange storm
^
sullen harbor
if you haven't used it then the WMR will be good enough because you won't know the difference
rough pulsar
The standard vive might drop a bit when the pro comes out though.
near gust
i'm not going to dis the vive, because i know a good product when i see it. and if you're someone who can justify spending that, then i say go for it
strange storm
If anything you might be able to snag a cheap second hand vive froms omeone upgrading
rough pulsar
Exactly. WMR is ehhhh, but if it's all you've had it's fine.
sullen harbor
^
its fine if you want to get into VR, right? and like you can always upgrade later
near gust
that to
sullen harbor
Having VR at all > not having VR
rough pulsar
Won't be getting one from me. If I can afford the pro I'll be keeping my standard vive.
near gust
if i enjoy playing VR so much i feel that i can justify spending the extra money, sure i can see myself getting a vive
strange storm
haha right
near gust
but i really dont play videogames a WHOLE ton, and i have many more expenses, so a WMR is perfectly priced for me
strange storm
truth
sullen harbor
becuase i want to be an anime girl deep down so, what other game solves that
rough pulsar
I don't play much other VR games, but I do use quite a bit of other VR software.
near gust
most of th egames i play are outdated, and so i end up spending up to 30 minutes in matchmaking somtimes
i like my old games though
strange storm
haha @sullen harbor
rough pulsar
That's something to consider. It's not purely a gaming thing, even if games are what's mostly available.
sullen harbor
I've got a vive too
so like....
its great for VRChat, and the other games are fine. But tbh, used to achieve max realistic anime
only because in my price bracket
lots of people tell me they love oculus
and get similar experience
espeically with touch controls
near gust
if we DO have someone here whos used botht he dell and the lenovo, it would be extremely helpful for me just tossing that out there 
tacit plank
Lenovo, didn't they put malware in all thei laptops?
rough pulsar
Currently the oculus controllers are better than the vive's, but there's valve's new controllers in development which are likely better.
strange storm
dell is good comfort and works fine like i said the tracking is frontal cameras angled slightly downward
rough pulsar
Yes, that's correct @tacit plank. A nasty little root certificate I believe.
near gust
'm using an older lenovo PC and i really like it
sullen harbor
@rough pulsar i would hope the touchs are better haha, after all they did come out after the fact right
rough pulsar
Not too long after I don't think.
strange storm
for VRChat dell or lenovo WMR is perfectly fine
near gust
i thought the cameras where the same on the lenovo and the dell, thats not something people have mentioned
sullen harbor
oculus had time to make better controllers though in response to the wands
as they launched with no controller at all
tacit plank
Yeah, that was it
sullen harbor
i like the wands, but the knuckles will be a welcome repreive
rough pulsar
Well, both had time and were forced to speed things up because "oh shit there's another competing VR system on the market and they HAVE controllers and roomscale"
dense moat
@rough pulsar would it be legal to make a script to spoof my own blueprint ID so arealers cant take it, i mean normal users cant interteract with it anyways
strange storm
Dell is probably the better quality WMR out of the few brands out there tbh
sullen harbor
ya, for sure @rough pulsar
strange storm
ive tried Acer, Dell, Lenovo and Dell was the better expereince
dense moat
I mean it’s something that I want to be ok to do
rough pulsar
@dense moat To do something like that would probably involve doing stuff that violates VRChat's TOS somehow, somewhere.
I'd advise against it.
safe yacht
Would appear I cant swithc avatar at the moment.
sullen harbor
soemone told me the dell has shorter FOV than the lenovo
dense moat
Ugh
near gust
thats what is advertised mac yeah
sullen harbor
not sure how valid that is
near gust
its 105 on the dell 110 on the lenovo. the reason is the lenovos thinner padding makes it closer to your face
dense moat
Like that’s basically saying “u can’t protect Urself but we won’t fix a Easy Fucking thing to fix, no well let u get ur avatars stolen for weeks”
sullen harbor
what kinda tracking does the lenovo even use?
dense moat
I mean spoofing isn’t hard at all
strange storm
sullen harbor
does it have base stations
near gust
both are the same tracking using headset cameras
sullen harbor
interesting
strange storm
yes all have frontal cameras on the headsets
safe yacht
are teh WMR compatible with SteamVR?
rough pulsar
@dense moat Also the issue has been massively overblown.
No stealing happens, they just copy your avatar's BP id.
So just upload a blank cube onto that id and re-upload yours.
And report whoever copied you because hacked client, insta-ban.
rough pulsar
@near gust Being able to move around within your entire room.
strange storm
360d tracking
dense moat
@rough pulsar Did you know that I have a friend that provided proof directly to a mod that is a in game mod, video proof all that. The hacker was in my game the day after “and the mod was online and recognized the proof and said “well solve it” or whatever he said
I haven’t seen
A single ban
near gust
theres no base stations with a WMR, it uses the cameras to both track the controllers and your position
strange storm
the disadvantages of being freely able to make accounts
rough pulsar
@dense moat Keep reporting them whenever you see them, eventually the technical side of this issue will be fixed and they'll be gone.
sullen harbor
well like I said, the VR you can afford is the VR you should get
near gust
looks like the dell and lenovo are almost the exact same. i'm curious about why the lenovo has a proximity meter and the dell doesnt, and if that matters
dense moat
@rough pulsar but remaking the blueprint ID by overprinting it with a black cube so they can’t use the model cuz it will be a block is a good idea thanks
sullen harbor
has*
dense moat
Cuz u spend average 4-12 hours on models
sullen harbor
nothing saying you can't get a vive later
shadow prism
@rough pulsar bag 'em
rough pulsar
@dense moat Just note that it won't immediately switch them across, but whenever anyone new tries to load them and doesn't have that avatar cached it'll bring up the cube.
vagrant plume
vocal shard
You know how certain materials can be hidden, why not make it sourround the abatar with 1 sided tecture
They would think they can see the stolen avatar
you could have soooo much fun replacing it with dumb stuff if they take it.
sullen harbor
i just wanted to be able to move around my room tbh, probably what sprung me for htc
vagrant plume
"" Guys check out this new game that going to get released in any minute soon! "" http://store.steampowered.com/app/405710/Staxel/
dense moat
@rough pulsar wait so The process is ( my avatar in unity is normal nothing changed with ID, someone copies me in game and caches the ID instantly, then I change the model and just add a cube then I upload to the same ID and just make a new one for the real avatar, so anyone who stole the model that I changed will now be a cube?)
near gust
@strange storm seems like the dell really may be my better choice here
rough pulsar
@dense moat Go to manage content, find copied avatar, click copy id.
New scene in unity, add cube. Add avatar descriptor to it. In pipeline manager, paste avatar id in, click attach. Upload.
Go to regular avatar, detach the blueprint id, upload as new. Done.
dense moat
Yeah that’s what I thought
So anyone with the stolen avatar will load as a cube
Nice
Tho vrchat still need more in game mods
strange storm
@near gust I know I liked. I am still on the fence myself on which one to buy but I've demoed them all except samsungs.
rough pulsar
I also suggest stop calling it 'stealing' because that suggests loss of the original, which is not the case.
dense moat
Well
U know what I mean
Ugh I’ve been no lifting vrchat
256 hours in less than a month @rough pulsar
: )
sullen harbor
@rough pulsar if i just use default avatars, am I safe from someone ripping my custom one?
near gust
honestly we may be better off with the dell because even the youtuber who told me to buy the lenovo because its more comfortable told me the dell was much better built
rough pulsar
You should be fine. A number of people have started doing that now, using defaults while in public areas and switching back to theirs when in more private instances.
brazen hamlet
are servers rip?
strange storm
Im probably going to get the vive because it fits my budget and I do a lot of development stuff too so.. :p
dense moat
The self tag
sullen harbor
thanks
rough pulsar
Wow I am not with it this morning
vocal shard
Lol
dense moat
Lol
brazen hamlet
lol
near gust
hey, if the vive is something you can afford and justify, its probably the better option
dense moat
I have 256 hours in vrchat in less than a month
brazen hamlet
brazen hamlet
i have like 58 in vrchat
dense moat
Give it take 1-2 Days
strange storm
I would wait for the vive pro but hoenstly.. i dont need it unless I wanted full body tracking which i dont so XD lol
near gust
i'm looking itno full body tracking with an old kinect
some people claim to have gotten it working but i dunno
rough pulsar
I guess it should work
strange storm
you can mod it to work yes but it wont be that perfect as far as i am aware
expensive to get the additional tracks for vive xd
not really worth the extra in my case.
near gust
full body tracking isnt something i'm all too interested in personally. but if someone gets a version of it with the kinext to work really good. i can get a kinect for cheap
shadow prism
Should write on the cube "I steal avatars"
rough pulsar
The trackers are worth the extra $300 if there's other stuff you can do with them. That's how I was able to justify it.
open relic
I have seen it with Kinect. It is OK, not great.
velvet quarry
I personally own the first generation XBox360 kinect, got it to work with VRChat fullbody tracking, but oh boy it wasn't the best.
strange storm
True @rough pulsar
hollow pulsar
Can the mixed reality headsets or Oculus rift do full room tracking?
velvet quarry
It might've been better if I had more space, but it was not optimal, I switched to the vive trackers rather quick.
rough pulsar
Wasn't the best is putting it nicely @velvet quarry
strange storm
What I saw at a tech demo the tracks worked really really welll
rough pulsar
@hollow pulsar Yes they can. Although I think the vive is generally the winner when it comes to largest tracked space.
Correction: Largest reliably tracked space.
strange storm
the vive trackers i mean
shadow prism
I keep forgetting, I need to ceiling mount my oculus trackers
hollow pulsar
For full room tracking with Oculus I need to buy another tracker right?
strange storm
at this point im ready to opt in for some mocap lol
brazen hamlet
why ceiling mount?
@strange storm if you go for mocap lemme know, need some animations :^)
rough pulsar
@hollow pulsar It's better with a 3rd sensor. Although I've heard of people managing it with just two.
shadow prism
So I stop accidentally whacking them and to keep my cat from moving them
strange storm
If I ahd the time and space... if only...
hollow pulsar
Is the Oculus rift the cheapest steam VR compatible headset y'all would recommend?
rough pulsar
@brazen hamlet I have a few walk cycle captures I did with my vive trackers. idk how good they are though, haven't had a good look at them.
lament fox
Hey guys! I got a quick question. Im trying to convert a aouple models to .FBX. Right now, they are from XPS/Xanlara. Now im trying to convert them, however there is no option in Blender for these TGA files.
strange storm
cheapest id reccommend is the Dell WMR
shadow prism
@hollow pulsar I like it but it has weird issues with steamvr
brazen hamlet
wmr headsets are alright
near gust
we just had this conversation lol
brazen hamlet
@rough pulsar lemme know if theyre any good
queen lark
I use a 5 year old phone with a giant QR code strapped to the front. Get on my level
strange storm
lol @queen lark
hollow pulsar
Dell WMR costs more than rift in my country and the cheapest WMR costs the same as rift
long glade
Same
strange storm
@hollow pulsar even through amazon?
hollow pulsar
Yes
strange storm
bummer
hollow pulsar
I live in the uk
near gust
vive pro > vive >oculus +3rd sensor >Oculus > Samsung Odessy > Dell/lenovo WMR > Other WMR > cellphone anything
brazen hamlet
spaghetti theyre the same price
hollow pulsar
The Dell WMR?
brazen hamlet
iirc
hollow pulsar
I found that for £429 and the rift is £399
strange storm
@near gust basically
rough pulsar
If the rift is cheaper than a WMR syste, get the rift.
near gust
^
minor saddle
i want to make an event
how can i do it?
i mean, give it to the bot to tell people when will it be
north axle
I suppose you can send him an email.
He reads thousands of them every day all by himself.
north axle
They have a few, but I would probably suggest hello@vrchat.com.
floral flaxBOT
There are 8659 users in VRChat currently
night night
CTRL-N
north axle
Ctrl+N and Ctrl+H.
heady steppe
Thx
hoary monolith
do people not know that an epileptic seizure can kill or do people actually want to cause someone to die
😠
north axle
They don't care, and it's not okay.
lofty storm
@hoary monolith assholes want to make people get seizures so they can get views on youtube
because that's literally what culture has devolved into
north axle
I think I already saw several seizures.
hoary monolith
just ran into someone with an avatar that was obvioiusly created for the sole purpose of causing seizures
lofty storm
where you gotta be the biggest memelord, get those 15 seconds of fame and keep that high going on as long as possible
culture is shifting gears to an instant gratification mindset
where effort isn't a thing people want to do, they just want what they think they deserve as fast as possible
hoary monolith
they probably should also know that a guy got arrested for knowingly causing an epilepsy attack online
got arrested by FBI, released on $100,000 bail, awaiting trial for 'aggravated assault with a deadly weapon' as the charge
rough pulsar
@hoary monolith Do you have a source for that? that's some pretty serious stuff.
stray canopy
i understand that's pretty serious
hoary monolith
stray canopy
and a dick move. and also illegal.
but like... 100k?
for making a bunch of flashing lights?
on a game that already has lots of colors?
hoary monolith
well its literally attempted murder
stray canopy
and models that anybody can make?
you know, you have a point
i guess i hadn't thought of it that way
hoary monolith
this was not on VRChat but the intent was to kill
rough pulsar
Ah, okay I see. There's a lot more than just sending a strobing image to someone involved here.
hoary monolith
or atleast recklessly attack while knowing that it can kill
btw the user with the epilepsy avatar appareantly is here on this discord
rough pulsar
I figure it's as serious as it is because it was very specifically targetted at an individual.
hoary monolith
yeah but even if it wasnt, and it caused some random person to die, its still by definition, manslaughter
voluntary manslaughter even if the culprit knew that it can be lethal
hoary monolith
he also messaged someone saying that he knew that he has epilepsy and “Spammed this at let’s see if he dies.”
rough pulsar
Yeah, that's also a major part of it. It was so specifically directed at one individual with very clear intent to cause harm. Hence the severity of the charges.
near gust
they're also adding on hatecrimes, i cant figure out anything other than the fact that his twitter handle was jew_goldstien
nevermind
looks like there was some others stuff as well
vocal shard
this guys fucked lol
tall monolith
what happened
near gust
as per internet regulation, a bunch of other people seem to have jumped on it as well
hoary monolith
i sent a moderation report on the guy who had that seizure avatar
fuck him serioiusly
vocal shard
“I know he has epilepsy.” Another, linked to an image, read, “I hope this sends into a seizure.” A third read, “Spammed this at let’s see if he dies.”
hoary monolith
ruined my mood tryinna play the game
near gust
looks like a bunch of 4channers sent a journalist they didnt agree with strobes to induce a seizure and potentially kill him.
I do however have to say i find it funny that the washington post not only points out that a couple of the people had pepe as an avatar, but in the article linked another article they wrote about how pepe is now a hate symbol of the alt right
vocal shard
this isnt the first time pepe has tried hurting him
" Included was a video with strobe effects that contained images of Pepe the"
frog
lofty storm
this is basically how the world works these days
vocal shard
Two months before his Dec. 15 seizure, Eichenwald wrote in Newsweek about a similar attack in which he received a tweet mentioning his vulnerability to seizures. Included was a video with strobe effects that contained images of Pepe the Frog. He was browsing Twitter on an iPad and was able to drop the device before suffering a seizure.
near gust
considering how much 4chan is shitposting 🤔 i'm curious when it will be next on the pepe hate crime list
lofty storm
people will try to skirt the line of what's legal all the fucking time
just so they can giggle and say they got away with doing something horrible
near gust
people have been skirting legal boundries forever
lofty storm
we live in a dystopian nightmare, remember that
near gust
i'll make sure to tell my mom that
lofty storm
@vocal shard or catch depression from how shitty everything is, or exist in the same place as someone who's a million times better than you by default
basically
don't exist
near gust
very rarely does anything classified hate crime actually get away with it
hoary monolith
I think that gif can be considered a lethal weapon in this context easily
brazen hamlet
@lofty storm me atm
vocal shard
you can sacrifice 5 points worth of your starting stats to buy the "bourgeois" starting perk
hoary monolith
and there was very clear intent to harm or kill
vocal shard
buying that perks makes you be born into a 1st world country & be born into a middle class or higher family
rough pulsar
The other issue that dude is clearly not taking any steps to deal with is any kind of self-protection.
Someone I knew with epilepsy had browser extensions that prevented any video or gif from autoplaying for their own safety.
vocal shard
the defense will probably use that
lofty storm
also "it was just a joke" because these are the memespewing neo-humans we're dealing with
the people who literally cannot take anything seriously
hoary monolith
but then again, does having epilepsy mean you couldnt legally watch any gif or video sent to you? Not all of them are clearly harmful just judging by the thumbnail.
throw the book at the dude
also throw the book at this vrchat user for all i care
near gust
purposly sending an epeleptic into a seizure for anything other than a controlled hospical situation for diagnostic is extremely fucked up, having a seizure not only has potential to perminantly hurt them. but you cant drive for months afterwards and many many other things. seizures are just awful
vocal shard
The FBI also found several direct messages sent from the @jew_goldstein account that mention Eichenwald. One stated, “I know he has epilepsy.” Another, linked to an image, read, “I hope this sends into a seizure.” A third read, “Spammed this at let’s see if he dies.”
brazen hamlet
wtf?
near gust
theres a big difference in being sent a gif that will cause a seizure, and just passivly seeing an ad that might
lofty storm
it doesn't matter at this point, these people will get away with everything because the world is in a state where the people who are causing it to rot always get away with what they do
it's just how things are
near gust
i have doubts they will be innocent, mostly because they listed this as a hate crime
that and everyones tired of "its just a prank bro" remember the halloween clowns? my town is arresting them
brazen hamlet
lol theyre still around?
vocal shard
just a prank i hope he dies lmao
that feel when by having pepe saved on my hard drive i can be considered alt right
near gust
clearly you're a racist. delete that pepe
stone current
wat
hoary monolith
i can understand why media thinks that tbh considering the context where pepe is usually used
cough /pol/ cough
stone current
so
hoary monolith
i dont necessarily agree tho
lofty storm
it's intentionally used in the most offensive ways possible to evoke a response
stone current
if i make a meme of pun dog being racist
vocal shard
I'm not sure where to ask this, but I found VRchat folder in my local app folder that was 40 gigs. Is there a way to make it so VRchat doesn't save files to that harddrive?
stone current
does dat mean all pun dog racist
lofty storm
@vocal shard or does less
stone current
also lol wtf 40 gigs
vocal shard
I think it's mainly like map downloads
stone current
ya
everything else stored on ram
its probably like that bc some people won't have
hoary monolith
dont want my system SSD filled with vrchat maps
vocal shard
i kept trying to find out why my C drive kept filling up and then ran across that folder
stone current
enough ram to have those maps
lofty storm
as someone who goes onto all kinds of new maps just to explore
i need to know how to reduce them
before they take over
stone current
delete that folder every time u visit a new place
or add launch commands to delete it on launch
lofty storm
which one?
hoary monolith
they really should add some sort of a lightweight minigame to loading screen
stone current
but yea its probably bc it might take a lot of ram to store maps
hoary monolith
its exactly for that
some maps take me a couple of minutes to downlaod
which gets pretty boring when in VR
stone current
it would be cool if u could load while u play
vocal shard
tfw no build 486
stone current
like u play on map A while downloading map B
vocal shard
tfw build 487
hoary monolith
all i do is move around my controller lasers to fight boredom
stone current
and when finishes downloading u can click totake u to server menu
vocal shard
i think i'll just regularly delete it since I know what's filling up my harddrive now
hoary monolith
i could probably download a steamvr app for something like minesweeper on the steam menu 🤔
stone current
put it on a 1 TB external or something
lofty storm
where is it?
brazen hamlet
this is a really dumb question but could someone send me a smooth cylinder fbx lol
stone current
just make ur own
hoary monolith
lol
vocal shard
it's under your Localapp folder
stone current
in blender theres a cylinder create tool
stone current
u do it rong xd
hoary monolith
huh
stone current
its in local app data
hoary monolith
how about top bar in Unity > GameObject > 3D Object > Cylinder
lofty storm
still can't find it
hoary monolith
idk looks smooth to me
vocal shard
open the windows menu and type in %appdata% in the search bar and then go back to appdata
hoary monolith
are you gonna view the cylinder from top or bottom or something?
cause i cant see the polygons from the side
brazen hamlet
ye
brazen hamlet
find what
lofty storm
where VRchat stores maps so I can clean it.
vocal shard
just delete the entire file
it won't affect your game other than having to redownload maps
lofty storm
YES
brazen hamlet
C:\Users<yourname>\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat
lofty storm
I CAN'T FIND THE FOLDER THOUGH
brazen hamlet
or whatever drive youre on
lofty storm
yeah
vocal shard
it has to be your main harddrive
brazen hamlet
vocal shard
woops, i thought it was called localapps for some reason
near bison
Are marriages in game rp or real?
lilac swan
yes
hoary monolith
:V
tall monolith
I remember that there was one lady/trap that I was talking with an hour earlier
surreal peak
I had an emotional run-in last night. Was having fun at the Great Pug, went upstairs to the top floor. Went to say hi to these two guys sitting by the fireplace. I soon realized one guy had just tried to kill himself. The other guy was a random stranger he ran into, trying to help him relax and work out his depression.
hoary monolith
probably not been a real marriage yet but theres RP
tall monolith
I just came to claim her/him right now
vocal shard
If you have the paperwork to prove it, its legal
surreal peak
It wasn't acting, wasn't trolling. You could hear the kid's voice
hoary monolith
:(
surreal peak
He started describing what he used to try and hang himself, how it broke, how blood vessels in his face popped as a result
vocal shard
I've seen people get married in game first then became married IRL after a while.
near bison
I hope he is safe
surreal peak
I don't know what to do, didn't know what to do
I tried to stop assholes from going up there
to give them some privacy
tall monolith
wow
surreal peak
I recorded some video of it, but I don't think I should share it. I just wanted to get the usernames
hoary monolith
dont share
tall monolith
you will get views
hoary monolith
wtf
vocal shard
Don't.
surreal peak
I don't know man... it's really sad and personal
near bison
You could just have written it down
velvet quarry
Let's not
surreal peak
I might need to send it to a mod or something
lilac swan
Personally I don't think you should ever share things like that.
tall monolith
I guarantee
vocal shard
I dont think he would want you to share that
hoary monolith
sharing it would be f'd up
surreal peak
exactly
surreal peak
fuck that
tall monolith
millions of views
near bison
Share the story but not the names
lilac swan
That users personal life is none of our business, or the mods.
wise basin
hey does anyone know if vrchat supports sli?
surreal peak
this isn't about views, it's about the fact that I'm now convinced VRChat is not just a game
tall monolith
number 1 in trending
vocal shard
You can be the next logan paul
surreal peak
there are games within it, but it's more than that
it's genuinely a place where something like this can happen
lilac swan
VRchat is a social platform, not a "game".
surreal peak
seeking counseling through peers
vocal shard
...
hoary monolith
@wise basin its probably not a worry, as vrchat uses much more cpu, unless your GPU is ancient
surreal peak
I don't know what to say about it
tall monolith
@vocal shard no seriously though
near bison
I just rp in this game but people take relationship in game too seriously.
surreal peak
other than, if you see someone going through some shit, they sound depressed
don't be a dick
it's not always going to be fun and games
tall monolith
delete the video
lilac swan
I would suggest to leave it be. It's not up to us to decide what is best for the user in question.
tall monolith
what was the username of the kid
surreal peak
I don't even know if I should say that
hoary monolith
dont share the name
lilac swan
Don't say it.
tall monolith
we could motivate him
hoary monolith
no
surreal peak
i'll just say he's a college student going through some shit
and the guy who talked with him is probably a hero
tall monolith
aight
surreal peak
because they must have been talking for over an hour up there
lilac swan
Momaar, don't suggest things like that, please. No matter how pure your intentions are.
tall monolith
respect to that guy
hoary monolith
if you wanna help and you can contact him, just go be a friend, don't even talk about his depression unless he wants to talk about it.
tall monolith
@lilac swan okay
hoary monolith
thats the best anyone can do, just be a friend
surreal peak
he didn't want to engage with anyone else
trolls came up and its like he didnt even see them
tall monolith
@hoary monolith thats what i meant to say
surreal peak
he sounded depressed, shrunken in, he only responded to the random friend he made
near bison
Having someone to listen is more than enough
surreal peak
yeah I guarantee his mood was slightly improved by just being able to talk about it
but he was also going in circles about how he doesnt deserve to live
how he hates what he's become
and how college is hard
lilac swan
Jenova, if you still feel like you must do something then contact the friend he made and ask if they think there is anything you can do. And keep it strictly between you two.
hoary monolith
^
surreal peak
yeah I didn't even add them but I can search their usernames
talk to the friend
at least gotta tell him he did a good thing
being a friend to a complete stranger
hopefully there are many of those people in VRChat if stuff like this happens again
tall monolith
yeah thats good
hoary monolith
vrchat is full of nice people aside from the memers
surreal peak
yeah and some memers were going upstairs and i was trying to distract them or send them away
felt horrible about it
hoary monolith
or i guess i shouldnt generalize, a lot of memers are nice too
surreal peak
even if they are memers, they might not even know
unless you caught wind of the conversation and realized it was deeply serious
people are in there trying to have fun
but it's possible you encounter something emotional like that
mental health is a serious fucking epidemic
hoary monolith
If something like that comes up i think it'd be a good idea to suggest going to an invite-only world?
lilac swan
I like to compare VRchat to clementines. The visible outer skin is mostly memers and shitposters, and that's what you probably see first. However if you peel it away, there is a lot more to VRchat than what the surface shows.
surreal peak
it's kinda fucked up to think about what to do... try to send info to a mod and get them to look into who the guy is, maybe contact the school and get him some psychiatric support? but then thats an invasion of privacy
maybe you make it worse
versed folio
more than anime avatars and funny jojs
surreal peak
maybe it's no one's business
versed folio
xd
vocal shard
i dont think a mod would even have access to that
surreal peak
an email?
vocal shard
i wouldnt want a mod to be able to know my information
surreal peak
if he used his school address
i dont know how much the vrchat team knows about accounts
hoary monolith
i wouldnt contact the school or anything, i'd feel terrible if something i opened up about in vrchat followed me to real life
queen galleon
I would hope not a lot
hoary monolith
without my consent
versed folio
why go into vrchat to work out problems like that
upper cedar
sup bois
surreal peak
@versed folio he had just tried to kill himself and failed because the power cord he used snapped, he was in a daze and had no one to talk to, so he installed vr chat as a first time user
lilac swan
I would like it if we dropped the subject, or atleast stopped suggesting courses of action towards the user.
surreal peak
to find someone to talk to
hoary monolith
ay
lilac swan
Like I said, it really is not up to us to decide what they need.
versed folio
especially into a public instance and on top of that its the pug, literal shitfest
lilac swan
No matter our intentions.
tall monolith
I remember that there was that one time were a knuckles raid was occuring and some player (who was using a vrchat) fell down because of the surprise attack of the knuckles, suddenly all the knuckles stopped and made sure about him ( regardless of 12 yo kids as knuckles) while everyone else was laughing alot. ** i shared this story to show you that even assholes can be carefull to others**
anyways
upper cedar
I think people that talk about suicide need to be reported if in a public world. It makes the entire situation uncomftorable and could be extremely toxic
hoary monolith
D: no
vocal shard
surreal peak
and, not that I matter in this situation, but if I look up this kid's school and in the news i see a headline about a kid who killed himself
i'm gonna live with that guilt
hoary monolith
i think theres a bigger problem that other players enjoyment
surreal peak
even if i couldnt have done anything
tall monolith
if you mean to kick the memers, then yes.
hoary monolith
anyway im gonna stop talking about this now
vocal shard
Wtf did I just walk into
versed folio
vrchat fuckfest
queen galleon
@vocal shard a mess
vocal shard
Apparently
upper cedar
People need to keep their real problems off the internet. Ive seen genuinely bad people make things worse.
lilac swan
Read the chat history if you want to know. Let's not keep talking about it, for the user in questions' sake.
queen galleon
So topic change, who else is on actual VR?
stone current
:/
versed folio
bringing problems to vrchat on top of that
vocal shard
im on discord vr
upper cedar
@queen galleon only way bby
stone current
🐶
queen galleon
Ayy
hoary monolith
im vr \o/
surreal peak
@lilac swan yeah, but dont worry i wont be sharing his info with anyone
upper cedar
cant touch lolis heads in desktop
versed folio
bringing problems into vrchat AFTER the steam release
upper cedar
-drops mic-
surreal peak
it was a deeply private thing that just so happened to occur in the great pug
queen galleon
Exaaactly
surreal peak
just trying to get some insight from you guys
queen galleon
You guys running the oculus or the vive?
lilac swan
Sure
queen galleon
Or y'know, the other options I guess lol
versed folio
a steam release for this game was a mistake
upper cedar
especially trap lolis
versed folio
🦍
stone current
upper cedar
Sayt do you find traps attractive too? 
queen galleon
owo
stone current
🍪
upper cedar
uwu
hoary monolith
Vive. Chose that one because i didnt like facebook/oculus business stategies/liked openVR/thought that roomscale is better on the Vive, dunno how correct that is
upper cedar
Vive will be the top teir vr system when knuckles come out
those controllers make me wet
stone current
vive expensive me want oculus
queen galleon
I gotchya, I completely forgot about the facebook/oculus thing before I grabbed mine.
upper cedar
Oi Zarni, would you happen to know if vrc devs got hands on the devkit for native support on launch? @lilac swan
queen galleon
Was a pretty impulsive purchase but oh well. I just wanted a VR to take my pc to that extra tippy top level of excess lol
upper cedar
Im gonna pre-order asap
stone current
idk y vrchat use gestures instead of
vocal shard
Imma get an Oculus soon too.
stone current
shape key based on finger distance
hoary monolith
i'd be surprised if VRChat devs dont have Knuckles devkit, i mean they already got millions of freedombucks from HTC
lilac swan
AFAIK Valve has not sent any Knuckles controller to the team. Feel free to "encourage" valve to do so. 👀
hoary monolith
D:
upper cedar
Oh trust me, you do NOT want me to be a vrchat representative
vocal shard
@lilac swan 
upper cedar
Send someone who isnt living shitpost
vocal shard
Idk I think it's be interesting if you were ;)
stone current
🐕
lilac swan
I think it's safe to say when they do release, they will get support pretty fast natively.
hoary monolith
yeh
upper cedar
stone current
🐶 🎾🐶
lilac swan
Almost like the team wants them as much as you guys 🙃
vocal shard
Is it actually a thing happening? I give u pin humanity if it is
queen galleon
Wait wut are we talking about
trail pebble
any word on how much the knuckles will be
vocal shard
three fiddy
upper cedar
$149.99
queen galleon
Running on no sleep here so my think-box is slow
lilac swan
five
vocal shard
2 ugandas
halcyon ingot
8/2
upper cedar
you might just need to sell ur left nut
lilac swan
8000 zenny
hoary monolith
&knuckles
vocal shard
69 lennies
upper cedar
zenny...Megaman?
trail pebble
:p
queen galleon
How many dogecoin is that.
lilac swan
👍
upper cedar
Zarni you just went from like, a 6 to an 11
hoary monolith
over 9 thousand :oooooooo
queen galleon
Ayyy
vocal shard
When my friends constantly walk ito me doing weird shit in vrchat
upper cedar
turn off personal space and you'll see what they're doing
vocal shard
I have it off bb, tis a metaphor
queen galleon
lol
trail pebble
Last night i almost died in VR
but theyre not on the EU store
trail pebble
tried to take a sip of my mountain dew. and straw damn near went up my nose.. was almost a gonner
trail pebble
lol. its dangerous stuff. they need to invent a waterbottle holder that hooks to you with twisty nostril proof straw . would make millions!
fluid leaf
is there something going on
ive gone to about 20 rooms now
and they all had russians with bad mics
trail pebble
lol. its probably prime time for them now
hoary monolith
huh, i also met a lot of russians
fluid leaf
and a lot of earrape music too
hoary monolith
i wonder if some russian youtuber/streamer made a popular russian vrchat meme
queen galleon
CYKA BLYAT
hoary monolith
and thats why theres an influx of cheeki breeki
fluid leaf
its okay I found a room with someone playing a guitar
just as I said that someone came in with an avatar that had a floppy dick and is spamming earrape shit
hoary monolith
there's two kinds of people in vrchat
those with guitars, and those with floppy dicks.
upper cedar
The only reason im not buying FBT is because I'd just pelvic thrust 24/7
you're welcome
fluid leaf
I think I just have to wait til the russians have fucked off cause this is so bad
upper cedar
LOL @hoary monolith "RUSKI YEST?!? RUSKI YEST?!?!"
fluid leaf
theyre now invading with poorly optimized laggy avatars and shit music
alright ill stop complaining..
queen galleon
It'll be nice once all the eh.. tomfoolery.. calms down someday.
upper cedar
a few russians ive seen just go up to all the waifus and say "Fuck you" or "I hate you"
raven mango
where do I go to download the links to worlds?
hoary monolith
yeah theres definately some russian meme going on
upper cedar
soon enough, vr-users and the non-trolls are just gonna find their friend groups and just stay on privates all day
fluid leaf
surprisingly its my first time seeing a porn avatar
hoary monolith
im still keeping my fingers crossed for VR only worlds 🤞
hoary monolith
sure its not very fair to non vrs but pls
fluid leaf
maybe they can set it up so that if you dont have vr its invite-only
fluid leaf
I dont even know what canny is
umbral reef
Its insane compared to the past few days for me
queen galleon
Or like, an entire world option if you make your own instance?
hoary monolith
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests @fluid leaf
fluid leaf
some rooms are extremely laggy for me ;-;
queen galleon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fluid leaf
and then others are completely fine even with 30 people
I blame poorly optimized avatars
umbral reef
I legit went from having at times drop below 15 frames within vr in bussy rooms with bad maps to min 30...
And im not even giving vrchat more power
hoary monolith
i added text to my avatar model saying that "if im lagging you, tell me" lol
im not very experienced in optimizing
fluid leaf
str4fe someone already made that exact suggestion 5 days ago
hoary monolith
oh lol
umbral reef
@subtle compass updated the game from last nights patch?
fluid leaf
its too bad about the russians, I finally made my first working avatar
they really are the scourge of multiplayer games
hoary monolith
i love russian your mom insults
fluid leaf
thanks!
im really bad with accents so I couldnt understand them even when they spoke english...
hoary monolith
its like the worst insult in russia to insult someones mom but its just funny outside of russia
solar geyser
that is so true mods hate him
hoary monolith
i thought that had already happened
solar geyser
soon to be private groups and dead memes
hoary monolith
well, atleast for old regulars
umbral reef
First it was the invastion of the knuckels now its the invasion of the russians 👀
hoary monolith
wish i was a part of the cool kids club <3
solar geyser
and kids
fluid leaf
wish I was part of the VR user club!
solar geyser
it sucks when i was trying to connect all groups and i was kicked out
strange storm
I am ascending to the VR club soon myself... https://puu.sh/z7YTu.png
queen galleon
ayyy nice
hoary monolith
niiiice bro
solar geyser
the VR club has already ascended
upper cedar
Musashi
fluid leaf
its better than getting in and getting your fps knocked down to <5 by russian avatars
upper cedar
F4 is 2 broken
fluid leaf
I heard a lotta good things about the vive headset!
hoary monolith
you gonna come give me headpats pls musashi?
strange storm
it came with it so not worried about it tbh
queen galleon
:c Hey the oculus isn't too bad
solar geyser
no one believes!
tepid raptor
I need to buy a professional mouse and keyboard for VRchat 🤔
solar geyser
its all been done, now all that's left is the truth
fluid leaf
to be honest ive barely played the game but I spent like 8 hours so far in unity and blender
queen galleon
Just use a Sega Dreamcast fishing controller
solar geyser
and people can't handle the TRUTH
hoary monolith
ah yes only the best esports equipment for... vrchat.. @tepid raptor
strange storm
I have a dxracer they are lovely
upper cedar
you paid too much for a gay chair
queen galleon
So who else speedruns VRchat
hoary monolith
and NaVi socks @upper cedar
hasty wedge
dxracers are so dumb
strange storm
I didnt pay for the chair.. i got it for my bday haha
hoary monolith
BUT CAN YOU DO THIS
upper cedar
@hoary monolith you also need your FaZe Berry Gfuel
near gust
i actually bought a racer clone and hated it. bought an amazon basics big and fat office chair and love it
upper cedar
and custom signed shaker cup
safe prism
i like to put my dxracer chair as high at it'll go, and pretend i'm short because my legs don't reach the floor
strange storm
I didnt even ask for a dxracer chair I was just given it cause i sit around in my office all the time XD
fluid leaf
I like how most of you VR nerds have discord nitro too
queen galleon
lol
fluid leaf
my envy levels are increasing
safe prism
my nitro goes away today ._.
keen chasm
Nitro is purely cosmetic
upper cedar
nitro is gay
hoary monolith
i just dont have a gf or a car 
queen galleon
I don't bother with nitro
safe prism
it's been out for one entire year today~~
hoary monolith
so i have money left over
strange storm
I just hit 44,444 miles on my car on sunday XD
upper cedar
I inherited a 2013 dodge challenger
tepid raptor
whats up with nitro and that gay pidgeon? is it a discord meme?
near gust
mfw 260K miles
upper cedar
oh this? nah dude
strange storm
yeah my old camaro had 190k ish
upper cedar
perfectly non-meme
near gust
mitsubichi galant
upper cedar
strange storm
poor thing finally died though... rip.. rip...
hoary monolith
fluid leaf
hey do you guys know if theres a limit in vrchat to how small you make the legs?
queen galleon
I don't think there is?
near gust
remember kids, change your oil on time, do any work you need to do ASAP and use synth blend if you have an older car
at least thats my rules
hoary monolith
no limit
near gust
except my cat converter thats been busted since i got the car
tepid raptor
no limit, you can even go negative
fluid leaf
negative legs
upper cedar
I drove 1200 miles over the change reccomendation
queen galleon
What does it turn cats into? Kappa
hoary monolith
negative legs
queen galleon
I'm sorry..
upper cedar
on my old car
hoary monolith
it sucks in the other avatars legs around you
near gust
dont tell anyone but i always wait an extra month or two after the change time
queen galleon
Your secret is safe with me
near gust
its only because i use the syth blend
fluid leaf
im reporting you to the international car police
near gust
which lasts way longer than conventional
upper cedar
lol me too, and everytime I do I cross my fingers when I drove
near gust
oh my god we have a club penguin world
hoary monolith
dont tell anyone but i dont actually assist in cycling with my e-bike
tepid raptor
pff... normies changing oil... just buy a new car
queen galleon
owo
fluid leaf
I saw theres a ''trap-chan avatar'' world too
hoary monolith
traps and girls*
upper cedar
dont tell anyone, but I catfish people with my $400 voice changer in vrchat.
queen galleon
Furries ayyy
hoary monolith
all the single furries
near gust
its just the iceburg
tepid raptor
400$ voice changer wtf
tall monolith
this cow over here ( which is me) got himself some virtual gf
near gust
i;m sad now
tall monolith
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
strange storm
who pays for a vc... XD
tepid raptor
ikr
upper cedar
<----
hoary monolith
its a trap momaar
upper cedar
the free one suck
tall monolith
traps
strange storm
I practice my trap voice :3
fluid leaf
this is why you should never trust girls online, theyre always guys with 400 dollar voice changers
tall monolith
okay wtf @strange storm
hoary monolith
guys with 400 dollar voice changers or guys with million dollar voices
fluid leaf
id sell my voice for a million dollars
tepid raptor
you can buy a grill with that money dude Kappa
near gust
Internet: Where the Men are boys, the girls are men, and children are FBI agents
upper cedar
Soon im about to pay for a vocal chord transplant to sound like a loli
strange storm
fluid leaf
is this gonna create a new underground market?
tall monolith
@near gust most accurate thing I have ever heard of today tbh
strange storm
ikr
fluid leaf
''I met a strange man who gave me candy and when I woke up my voice was like an old man's!'' - loli
hoary monolith
omg
upper cedar
Im 12 wtf u mean old man
tall monolith
wtf did I just see @strange storm
strange storm
The truth
hoary monolith
i should make a cute loli avatar with an FBI badge gesture override
tall monolith
yeah
upper cedar
I will pay you for that avatar
fluid leaf
oh hey musashi that image is the image for that trap room
queen galleon
lmao
hoary monolith
deal mods hate him
tall monolith
that will scare off anyonr
strange storm
@fluid leaf yeah they changed it to that now its fantastic XD
tepid raptor
lol
queen galleon
Felix is bestboi
wicked dove
Hi def lolis
tepid raptor
quality trap
strange storm
I just decimate the sculpt down and use normal maps...
keen chasm
Having trouble with lag? Either block them or optimize the pc
strange storm
easy way to fix polys
fluid leaf
is optimizing my PC code for buy better parts
like optimizing my car by buying a new one
fluid leaf
isnt decimating when you just take out entire parts of the mesh
tepid raptor
no...
fluid leaf
damnit
strange storm
nope
fluid leaf
I never claimed to be an expert so its okay to say dumb things
potent heath
There's a tool in blender that reduces the number of polys on a mesh @fluid leaf
rough flax
It's not polygons that affect you.
strange storm
@potent heath Here is a video that might help explain what I am talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApzVWuPa4A4
potent heath
Tanks a bunch
strange storm
^-^
rough flax
I have a 1 mil poly avatar with each their own different dynamic bone script and 44 materials each to test worlds as if it were a worst case sceneario for frame rates.
It barley drops my frames by 20
rough flax
The amount of dynamic bones, meshes, and materials on your model makes everyone lag.
It doesn't crash at all.
tepid raptor
does it lag ppl?
quartz geyser
does anyone know if the VRChat guys have shared their voice and lip sync tech info anywhere at all?
i cant find anything out there that can convert mic to the full 15 phonemes in real time
lofty storm
@rough flax what does it look like
quartz geyser
like, that VRChat has is pretty powerful
hoary monolith
it really is pretty cool
tepid raptor
you can create pretty accurate visemes if you dont use cats cheap thing
outer harbor
hi all
cosmic fractal
Is there another way to set up tts other than clownfish? because clownfish completely screws up my entire pc's audio
quartz geyser
yeah, im just wodnering what they actualy use to decyfer the phonemes from your mic audio in real time
rough flax
Cats is not cheap and it creates visemes perfectly.
tepid raptor
no lol
pure junco
but its pretty fuckin good
quartz geyser
is cats a blender plugin that automaticaly makes your mouth shapes?
tepid raptor
have you ever made manual visemes? cats only converts 3
pure junco
and through those, CATs makes the rest through those
rough flax
You need to have 3 blend shapes already in your model, and then cats will make the rest off of that.
pure junco
yea
quartz geyser
ive done manual on a few characters. tbh its pretty easy and fun.
pure junco
Depending on the model
tepid raptor
yea but cats makes lots of dupes
pure junco
aka i have more animal-esque ones so thats fuuuuuuuuuun
yeaaaa
the OH and OU are basically the same
hoary monolith
cats is getting so good so fast, theres great progress
quartz geyser
tepid raptor
you cant even compare them to manually modeled ones
hoary monolith
you can still manually model them if you want to
tepid raptor
tru
pure junco
You can
tepid raptor
goes faster
hoary monolith
nothing preventing you from just not doing that in cats
strange storm
Manually made will always be better
strange storm
but cats is perfectly fine
pure junco
mainly cause I do animals
outer harbor
pfft but thats so much effort.... @hoary monolith
potent heath
Is there a tutorial on manual vismes?
pure junco
so i usually use it and then edit the new visemes
tepid raptor
yea, you can just use cats then repair
rough flax
You guys are acting as if cats doesn't work at all.
hoary monolith
cats is the bomb
strange storm
I like cats
cerulean pawn
Animals are impossible to get right since their mouths don’t make all those shapes.
vocal shard
Doges
tepid raptor
manual is better
cats doesnt work
wat?
pure junco
Thats why I make it the gist of what itd look like
outer harbor
cats for the win c:
hoary monolith
cats are impossible to get right in cats
vocal shard
pure junco
mow
cerulean pawn
I think a flapping jaw is enough for most animals.
What do you do for animal walking animations?
tepid raptor
knuckles visemes best visemes
rough flax
