I should make a cloaker model
#vrchat-general-2
candid marsh
pastel grove
And it's nausea inducing
safe yacht
Wouldnt the newer versions cost more though @dusky vault
candid marsh
That would be perfect for my soundboard
brazen path
Yes, f4vr was near-seizure for me due to blur
dusky vault
Well, if it's replacing existing hardware then I'd expect no
pastel grove
Fallout 4 VR is the only game that makes me motion sick without fail
brazen path
You can edit an ini file to turn up some settings, but its still horrifying
dusky vault
Like, a new laptop has higher quality hardware but it still hits the same pricepoint
brazen path
All the clutter on the floor makes it worst, cus view bumps up and down as you walk over it
pastel grove
They also somehow managed to make the stars render over the clouds and only in one eye
safe yacht
But I wanna get on the VR train noooow 😦
crystal epoch
@pastel grove LSD Dream Emulator VR
brazen path
I remember walking across a girder at the top of a building and looking down, almost vomited cus of the blur and the drop.
dusky vault
they're just my thoughts :p I'd get Oculus today if I had the disposable income
eager kernel
ahhhh i could get wmr for 200, it may not be 100% recommended specs, but its ver yclose and above minimum, or I have to build a whole new desktop for oculus or vive
brazen path
Blur and big drops is baaaad.
queen nebula
WMR isnt too bad
its just not gonna have 100% Tracking of the controllers
since its using Cameras on the headset
eager kernel
its cheapness is very appealing lol
brazen path
You remember the power armor hud from regular fallout, sesu?
It takes up half the screen in vr.
eager kernel
does it require as much space as the others
queen nebula
@eager kernel I would get it for 200
civic cypress
IF you put hands behind head WMR wont track right, but otherwise its on point with the other major vr sets
safe yacht
None of the WMR headsets I can find here are cheaper though.
queen nebula
and the gyros
dusky vault
It will still track, but not if you hold it there
civic cypress
broken-ishly tracks not like it does i front of your face but ik what you mean
dusky vault
@safe yacht gotta import :c
queen nebula
from the camera
eager kernel
weird dreamlicker, wmr here is half the price as the oculus
dusky vault
In Australia, WMR is almost as much as HTC Vive
queen nebula
for more than
brazen path
Think I'mma try uploading again
vocal shard
I see u are talking about VR. Quick dumb qiestion when i will buy oculus from their webside, will they send cables also or i have to get them myself?
queen nebula
it does accelerator and gyroscopic functions
eager kernel
is that really the big deal wocom or is it just an annoyance?
queen nebula
and predictive maths on the character bones
safe yacht
Importing would end up not being cheaper anyway beacuse of humongous shipping costs
brazen path
Iunno about oculus, but generally they come with the cables needed.
queen nebula
to predict where the controllers are aka your hands
opaque hawk
So something strange right now. I'm playing the game and all the rooms in the great pug are maxed out. Several of them are over 100 people
queen nebula
and yes
brazen path
Although, vive didn't come with displayport cable, only hdmi
queen nebula
Oculus will come with all the required cables
queen nebula
Its weird
dusky vault
Oculus is fine for a smol space
dusky vault
you can have it set up for just a desk space
brazen path
I'd suggest 2 meters minimum, kuri
vocal shard
ok
brazen path
Arm-span in mind
brazen path
I don't have 2m, I keep hitting my hand off the walls etc
queen nebula
yeah
eager kernel
same requirement for spaces and WMR?
queen nebula
2m square
vocal shard
definitely dont have 2m square
brazen path
Depends how tall you are I suppose, for arm length hehe
queen nebula
generally
all the headsets
are around the same range
of course based on room layout
vocal shard
my room is 9 ft x 9 ft
brazen path
To be honest, I find myself moving beyond the play area outlined by the vive
queen nebula
and such it could be different
pastel grove
My ceiling is only 7ft high, so I'm always smacking it
brazen path
You can walk anywhere within the circle and move hands out of it
dusky vault
I'd really like to see the Samsung units drop in price.
brazen path
So 4m is preferable
dusky vault
They seem especially good
higher res than other WMR and oled displays so better pixel response times
brazen path
Sesu, my roof has one of those spiky paint styles oni t hehe
You should see the scratches on my controller
safe yacht
has the Oculus had a hardware update since it's launch?
brazen path
innit.
brazen path
I'm only like 5 foot 11, but its still an issue with my arms
dusky vault
I've used the Oculus headset and it's neat. It's not too heavy or uncomfortable to wear
safe yacht
Cus I had someone tell me they prefered the Oculus screen to the Vive one.
pastel grove
At least you don't have a light fixture hanging 5 inches down in the center of your play area 
brazen path
Right, gonna try upload again.. which will take like 20 minutes as uusal
brazen path
Ey, I've punched my monitor before hehe.
vocal shard
how many mbps does vrchat use?
brazen path
... and the amount of times I've tripped on the cable..
dusky vault
I've not used them back to back, I did spend more time with the Vive so I could have had a bias to it just due to more experience. 90% of my time spent with Oculus was developing for it so I've not played a game recrationally
pastel grove
I'm surprised I haven't put a hole in my wall yet, I keep gravitating towards them
queen nebula
and with the new vive pro and wireless
brazen path
The trackers are good for the headset
queen nebula
they're already getting on for gen 2
brazen path
But those new full body trackers are pants
They get obstructed by the body and only have one receiver.
pastel grove
Oculus has a higher resolution screen iirc, but the vive pro is going to be better in every way
turbid zealot
anyone else getting a black screen when logging into vrc?
brazen path
Constantly have to turn around so my body doesn't drift under the floor
vocal shard
vive needs front cams
safe yacht
It feels like I've gotten interested in VR at the wrong time :p
In a generational switch
vocal shard
so i can see where i am headed without removing it
pastel grove
Vive has a front cam
brazen path
The vive headset has a cam on it I think
pastel grove
Pro has 2
brazen path
The new pro has two
vocal shard
oh yes
brazen path
... hmmph, beat me to it huh
pastel grove
dusky vault
Long term I'd go Vive but I'd go for Vive Pro if I was gonna put serious money into VR. Short term Oculus seems like a good entry, especially if you don't have the space for a full on lighthouse setup
vocal shard
gonna drop a stack on vr
brazen path
I think you can use 3 of the base stations at once for better tracking, but vive have insane delvery charges
safe yacht
So the WMR sets might actually be advantageous to the Oculus, since they're "fresh"? Plus, none of them have the need for trackers it seems, which is good.
dusky vault
But again WMR keeps coming up as another short term entry as a "good enough" cheap option, they just lack adjustments I'd like personally
pastel grove
Most games are designed with vive support currently
dusky vault
I don't like the thought of importing a headset from the us with no lens adjustments and finding out that they're too narrow or wide for my eyes, and would be left out in the cold for returns
pastel grove
Oculus support being a secondary
brazen path
Got the highest market share ifaik
pastel grove
And WMR being an afterthought
safe yacht
I cannot afford a Vive. the Oculus price range is my area.
brazen path
Depends on priorities dream
safe yacht
Hm that's true, WMR would have less support for being new.
brazen path
I'd say the current vive will outlive oculus
dusky vault
If Vive Pro came in at the Vive's current price point, and the existing Vive gunned for Oculus' price that'd be swell
dusky vault
I mean, Vive hardware has been around for a while now
brazen path
Checked vive price earlier since the pro came out, still £600. :<
dusky vault
It's not like it'd cost them that much to keep constructing it
brazen path
Thought they'd lower it now they're replacing it
safe yacht
It seems it would perhaps be prudent to wait for the new releases. Though if they're like 6 months or more away, I'd buy now.
brazen path
New huh.
dusky vault
A new release will also be expensive and possible more demanding on a PC
lusty sorrel
Yeah I think I'll wait for wireless VR
dusky vault
if you want VR now then buy now
brazen path
They announced the pro the day after my vive arrived.
safe yacht
The VIVE is 7000 SEK, and that's WITHOUT controllers. It's insanely pricy.
dusky vault
there will always be something new coming soon
brazen path
.. uploads are still fooped btw.
safe yacht
Oculus gives me everything, for 4500.
brazen path
.. at least for me.
dusky vault
wait Vive is sold without controllers?
I assumed the purcahse gave you the controllers and satelites you'd need to set up
chilly widget
gl with fixes
safe yacht
Hm, if i buy the vive from their site it includes everything.
dusky trellis
@safe yacht oh i live in sweden too hey
brazen path
I wasn't sure about getting vive from third parties.
safe yacht
Sverige woooo!
dusky trellis
:)
pastel grove
Vive comes with the entire package, the pro you can buy the Hmd separately so people with the old vive can upgrade without having to buy an entire new package for another thousand dollars
tough jay
any luck on uploads?
brazen path
They might stil lhave the deal of a free copy of f4vr, dreamlicker
safe yacht
But the Vive also has higher spec requirements.
fiery rune
someone buy me a good laptop
lapis lintel
uploads are real fucked tirandarr
safe yacht
and I dont think my PC can handle thosse requirements.
pastel grove
There was just an announcement about upload servers being dead
safe yacht
I could do their test I suppose. But it's still too costly :p
fiery rune
how do you people afford this
hushed kettle
yo
tough jay
so much intel and nvidia garbage...
safe yacht
Saving. Lots of saving.
brazen path
Student loan, tamer
hushed kettle
my game is a black screen
brazen path
In scotland we pay students to be students
pastel grove
Neetbux, my dude
fiery rune
wow i wish that was everywhere
brazen path
Then students buy booze, cars or.. in my case, virtual reality
paper cloak
I just had a giant woody chasing me around asking me if I want some nyquil in a deep spooky voice
hasty beacon
New announcement. Game is stuck in loop for most people
dusky vault
I bought my PC with my uni grant 👌
fiery rune
i get paid at most once a year and not even by school
brazen pumice
Pay me to be a student dude.
vocal shard
i am waiting for the occulus rift with vr gloves
dusky vault
no textbooks so pc money instead
tough jay
mine's an AMD radeon R9 380, backed by 64gb of ddr4 ram, powered by an AMD FX 8320 octo-core
safe yacht
@violet oake hahaha
dusky trellis
LOL wrong ping
brazen path
Yeah, most scottish unis store their book stuff online now, so you don't have to buy them
coarse blaze
Vrchat's servers are quite active lately, I noiced
paper cloak
it's worse because I escaped for a while, then when he found me he started screaming my name
and chasing me harder
safe yacht
THe test says I meet the minimum at least.
tough jay
and i afforded it because my neighbor works for a business company and they were tossing old models so i got to pirate the "junk"
brazen path
Yeah, cus that jameskii or whatever on youtube covered the game
then others copied him
dusky trellis
@paper cloak that phrasing though.... 'chasing me harder'
brazen pumice
Yup
vocal shard
any1 get black screen error
brazen path
now the game is full of people not even in vr trying to be memes.
fiery rune
how would i go about installing a gtx?
vocal shard
VRchat needs to fix there shit the game doesnt load properly all it does is a loop when i got to worlds sometimes
black screen
brazen path
Make sure your motherboard supports it first, tamer
vocal shard
I hope they bring in some kind of donation system or micro-transactions (like being able to build a room made from pre-built items) so we can support the up-keep for the game, since there's so many crashes lately
brazen path
And that your power has enough wattage for it.
safe yacht
It's an early access game. It's gonna be broken.
tough jay
you need to fix your grammar, its "their"
safe yacht
You're testing it.
brazen path
dont even joke about microtransactions please chloe
jagged quarry
@vocal shard they are already aware of the issue and are investigating the cause
dusky trellis
donations would probably just be better
brazen path
thats a downhill spiral
fiery rune
i cant afford to even play a game
brazen path
I'd be happy to donate to be honest
lusty sorrel
I seriously wonder why people love microtransactions so much
dusky trellis
same
dusky vault
crashes are probably due to steep increase in userbase
brazen path
I only bought vr for vrc.. sort of
safe yacht
the makers of VRChat had HTC invest 4 million in them. So I dont thikn they're lacking for money.
vocal shard
why? you can upload your own things, but microtransactions for people who don't know how to use the programs would be cool
like when people pay $ for a custom avatar to be created
fiery rune
why life hates me
vocal shard
it's the same thing
dusky vault
@lusty sorrel EA mooching
brazen path
Iunno, the servers probably cost insane amounts, dream.
pastel grove
For anyone debating about oculus or vive 😏 https://youtu.be/yi4KYb302T4?t=152
dusky vault
EA as in electronic arts not early access
tough jay
50 cents to upload your model! five cents to log in! twenty five cents to change your world! a dollar to make it a private world! oh yes please bring microtransactions so my debt can be up to my eyeballs
brazen path
And they've likely been buying tons of new hardware due to new users
I mean, damn, the userbase has went up by, what, like 100-200 times?
polar arch
Uhhh
polar arch
It says there are thousands of people in each world.
vocal shard
@tough jay you're thinking of restricting micro-transactions, not custom transactions
paper cloak
well they're buying the space
dusky vault
I've heard from here the team recieve money from VR companies via investment tho, as the game is basically free advertisement for VR kits
polar arch
like 5-6k plus
vocal shard
polar arch
With hundreds of people in each world
drowsy haven
Space buying in AWS is automatic if you have it configured correctly.
polar arch
lmao
brazen path
Do you mean user-made microtransactions, chloe?
drowsy haven
That's the point of scaling infrastructure.
dusky vault
I mean, if it benefitedf them sure, a patreon or pay pal donation link is okay
summer dew
They're not hurting for money lol
safe yacht
@dusky vault that's pretty much it
tough jay
now if you ask me, players should be able to charge to get access to their custom models.. but then that opens a whole other can of bad too.
paper cloak
right, but they're spending money lol
brazen path
They'd probably need an ingame currency for that.
vocal shard
yes, but VRchat can add their own
sooo out of courtesy and not trying to be an annoying little dweeb, where's the -appropriate- place to bug people about avatar locations?
brazen path
.. second life mkII
dusky vault
but microtransactions are a super slippery slope
vocal shard
bless
tough jay
yep, one minute you're at the top, next minute the FBI are knocking at the door wondering why you havent payed your taxes
vocal shard
the game is free, how are they getting money to support it?
brazen path
Honestly having a hard enough time doing stuff without paying for stuff so far to be honest.
fiery rune
lusty sorrel
@vocal shard Investors
pale delta
laptop vr SWEATMAN.JPG
brazen path
Pioneer tech is a great investment gamble, chloe
Hell, I'd invest too if I could affordi t.
manic sandal
Am i the only one getting spammed with notifications?
valid frigate
@fiery rune no it wouldn't run oculus lol.
brazen path
From the discord, gamnem?
fiery rune
: (
polar arch
!online
floral flaxBOT
There are 6239 users in VRChat currently
valid frigate
might as well not have a gpu lol.
brazen path
6.2k my ass...
timid nimbus
just tried out gorn for the first time now that i got a VR set.
what i had on my desk is now all over my room...
dusky vault
I've not researched it my self but I've seen it mentioned here that hardware constructers have put money into the game
fiery rune
is there a single laptop under 1k that can run oculus
eager kernel
im really interesting in the dell WMR
timid nimbus
hefty warning to anyone who hasn tplayed that... clear your desk first.
valid frigate
unlikely.
brazen path
.. why go for a laptop?
pale delta
@timid nimbus scream while you play to make it more realistic
dusky vault
@fiery rune look for Clevo builds if you want a laptop
brazen path
You can't upgrade their hardware easily
hot jungle
it said there were 19k hub servers earlier
fiery rune
because its portable
timid nimbus
^ i would if it wasnt 1am lol
valid frigate
the recommended gpu for oculus is a gtx 970
pastel grove
Just go buy the backpack computer Linus used in his one video
brazen path
My pc started out with a core from like 2004 and an ancient motherboard
lusty sorrel
Desktops = Upgradable and more performance per buck
brazen path
Over time I've just replaced parts
tough jay
@fiery rune this will run oculus. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234538
pastel grove
"wireless" vr
eager kernel
i have a 960m in my laptop
brazen path
Now it can run fallout 4 with like 200 mods on max settings
eager kernel
not good enough for vive/oculuss but ood enough for dell wmr
split vortex
I'm getting that black screen where I load into the hub and then it goes black
drowsy haven
@pastel grove wireless VR is definitely going to happen in the next 12 months, the non-consumer versions of VR already have it.
vocal shard
hub is down
split vortex
Ahh
fiery rune
: O
brazen path
Palm, recent post in announcements
split vortex
RIP
brazen path
Loops or something
brazen path
No worries.
safe yacht
So the real problem seems to be how well a particular supplier of VR is supported or not by games and software.
pastel grove
The reason the specs for vr are so high is because the HMDs rub at basically 4k and 90fps
brazen path
HAve you uploaded at all recently, palm?
vocal shard
If anyone has the infitine login glitch after being banned for a bullshit reason, dm me. I have a workaround for hwid falseban
split vortex
Nah I don't do the youtubes atm
fiery rune
wait.. 4gb?
brazen path
I mean for the game
fiery rune
is it really
split vortex
Oh lol yeah nah don't do that either
dusky vault
Late response but I saw that Vive vs Oculus drawing 👌
brazen path
A lot of us have mad model upload issues
dusky vault
Am sold
drowsy haven
More accurate VR is very resource intensive because Async compute is very intensive.
safe yacht
@vocal shard just restart the game, that fixes it. It's not an actual ban.
drowsy haven
Outping 4k 90fps isn't impossible
rain crypt
can anyone log into VR chat through steam?
tough jay
@fiery rune that 4gb is on the videocard alone. dedicated graphics.
vernal totem
Why does server rn have like 100 players in each one?
brazen path
Saw some article earlier about how to get vr not looking like poop would be near impossible as is
drowsy haven
outputting 4k 90fps while syncing it with another screen (While doing all the math async wise) is the hard part.
split vortex
Server issues usually never happen with this little of traffic
brazen path
Human eye's ppi is like.. thousands
fiery rune
so it will have 8gb or something?
tranquil shoal
black screen after logging in. anyone else?
safe yacht
The servers seem to not be able to count some times and the numbers might not be accurate.
tough jay
leme check
split vortex
What a spicy wednesday night
brazen path
Think the vive is 1440 pixels in 3 inch
rain crypt
i keep getting the birthday verification, couldnt log in
pastel grove
Okay well not 4k, but 2160×1200
valid frigate
@brazen path human eyes don't have ppi lol.
drowsy haven
@brazen path I've used projector based VR and it looks amazing.
lusty sorrel
@split vortex It's weird, it's sooo late, all the kids are asleep yet we have server issues
valid frigate
cones/receptors aren't measurable in that sense though
vocal shard
Dm me if u get ip banned or hwid banned, I got a fix
tough jay
8gb of ddr4 on the motherboarfd, 1tb of storage with a 128gb solid state, 4gb of ram on the processor, quad core processor at 3,0ghz
safe yacht
@lusty sorrel Which kids? There's an entire world playing the game.
eager kernel
are you trying to dodge ip bans -_-
tranquil shoal
@vocal shard dude really?
tough jay
its great for a laptop
vocal shard
yeah
brazen path
As is, 450 pixels per inch isn't good either way hehe
split vortex
Advertising that is a good way to get banned from here lmao
eager kernel
cj dont be a hacker, it dont make you cool
tranquil shoal
i hope you get banned
tough jay
wont hold a candle at all to a desktop but still
split vortex
I'd just advertise it elsewhere is all
safe yacht
No you werent.
eager kernel
the hackers dont perm ban you
fiery rune
so, just to be sure, i could use that as my base laptop and also use for vr gameplay?
brazen path
The hackers can't ban you though.
vocal shard
Yes, I was
eager kernel
you restart your client
safe yacht
They can't permaban you.
valid frigate
VRPill literally said those bans aren't real.
brazen path
They announced earlier
eager kernel
thats all you do
pastel grove
Hackers can't ban you
vocal shard
You think they cant but they can
safe yacht
Restart your client.
valid frigate
restart your game.
tranquil shoal
"
Tupper - Yesterday at 10:01 PM
I'm doing a non-pinging announcement just to keep this visible: We're aware of our issue with malicious users. However, please be aware-- you cannot be banned by these malicious users. If you get a fake ban message or ban warning, restart VRChat. You will be able to join worlds again as normal.
Please be patient as we continue with the changes as stated in the previous announcement post.(edited)"
safe yacht
No they cant.
eager kernel
yes im sure the offical team is wrong and your right CJ
rain crypt
restart many times already
eager kernel
lol
safe yacht
Read the announcements.
rain crypt
still couldnt log in
brazen path
They need back-end permissions to ban you.
pastel grove
The servers are dead fam
rain crypt
looping at the birthday verification part
fiery rune
@tough jay so, just to be sure, i could use that as my base laptop and also use for vr gameplay?
pastel grove
Of course you can't log in
brazen path
Which means admin credentials
valid frigate
Taermlein
worldly charm
heh.. any bets it's the FBI wanting access to all your trap porn. An entire office connected, servers couldn't handle the load
safe yacht
"However, please be aware-- you cannot be banned by these malicious users. If you get a fake ban message or ban warning, restart VRChat. You will be able to join worlds again as normal." @vocal shard
split vortex
NOT MY TRAP PORN
FUCK
paper cloak
seriously, stop looking at laptops
you wont find one that can handle vr in the 800 dolalr range
eager kernel
renerrix, you can use WMR with laptops
paper cloak
not even close
brazen path
see, this is why I bookmark my trap stuff on chrome. :<
vocal shard
I tried to reset my game but then it did the infite login glitch
dusty ibex
does server being dead the reason why I can't upload an avatar? Or did I mess up in someway in my changes
fiery rune
i dont know where to find a good desktop though and they take up more room
drowsy haven
@brazen path hackers probably just found a way to send a client the "You got banned dumbass" event so the client thinks it's banned until it checks its status with the master server (on reboot)
brazen path
is alll on the cloudddd
vocal shard
Until I change my hwid then it fixed
paper cloak
we told you, learn to build one
tough jay
@fiery rune should be able to. but if you really want to rip through something, go for a custom built desktop backed on this processor. https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3724424
brazen path
Yeah, I was thinking the same alex
drowsy haven
@vocal shard Then you're actually banned.
dusky vault
ITX desktop, or a slim case
safe yacht
@vocal shard Infinite log-in is a problem caused by server load. Not a ban.
tough jay
16 cores, clocked at 3.4ghz, the threadrippers are insane
vocal shard
Ohhh
split vortex
Did you say a le bad word @vocal shard
tranquil shoal
@vocal shard banned by a hacker or not, dodging an ip ban is punishable
split vortex
?
tough jay
1,000 bucks for a processor though is a punch in the balls if you ask me
drowsy haven
@brazen path that concerns me though because it means that the client is probably IPC vulnurable :S
vocal shard
No
fiery rune
yeah i wouldnt be able to afford that
pastel grove
Want vr? Want a portable computer? http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-z-vr-backpack-g1-workstation
tranquil shoal
yes
tough jay
i mean you go that route you're looking at 4k for a desktop pc
brazen path
Well, its unity based hehe.
drowsy haven
Unity isn't IPC vulnurable out of the box
brazen path
Its easy enough to slip things into a unity upload unnoticed
drowsy haven
Trust me, I'm a Unity VR developer.
tranquil shoal
ive been banned , trrust me i know
drowsy haven
I do this for a living.
paper cloak
-everyone in the avatar chat room
dusky vault
If you want a laptop and VR you'll probably need something with a 1060 at least
valid frigate
most of us here are.
split vortex
I'm not a Unity Dev so don't trust me
rain crypt
Anyone stuck at account verification, birthday?
shy nest
Ok random person on the internet, I’ll believe you lel
split vortex
Anyone want some free milk?
brazen path
I can't tell you how its done like, but its possible to disable the sdk's check on files being uploaded
tough jay
as long as you dont buy lenovo, hp or dell you should be alright for the most part. I reccomend Asus or MSI
drowsy haven
🤷
worldly charm
I hear there are a few million Intel Xeons that will be available soon... VRChat might be running on some 😛 (Meltdown CPU bug)
tough jay
alienware is a bunch of mainstream garbage now
drowsy haven
I mean you don't have to actually believe me, I have stuff that's out there to prove it.
fiery rune
oh
brazen path
I'm not discrediting you alex
candid marsh
Wew
brazen path
I'm stating other possiblities
valid frigate
Alienware is Dell so, yeah.
fiery rune
wish my asus was better than
candid marsh
VRChat is just blackscreening for me
dusky vault
What's wrong with Dell? I was considering an XPS as a uni work laptop (not for VR, obvs. 1050 lol)
steady violet
Windows got a patch for Meltdown 7. January.
tranquil shoal
no one is stuck on birthday verification
drowsy haven
Meltdown performance hits are myyyyth
dusky vault
I mean I'd have to swap out the network card from Killer to Intel
valid frigate
Actually Windows has had patches for meltdown and spectre as far back as November
tough jay
you probly just need to upgrade your video card, an easy 1-200 buck purchase and you'll be ready to go
unless its a laptop, then you need to buy a hammer and a desktop
vocal shard
If anyone is getting the fps glitch on vrchat, just download a gpu. Id suggest downloading the titan x one
brazen path
not sure what these supposedly patches were meant to do, but my performance has been fine
steady violet
Plus if you stay away from sketchy websites and have proper anti virus you have almost no chance of getting hit.
tranquil shoal
ok, whos looking to build A vr ready pc again?
drowsy haven
@brazen path They recoded the system calls to avoid speculative execution.
covert cipher
LOL you do know video card prices are fucked right now right? lmao 1-200 bucks xD
pastel grove
Ever since the meltdown patch my friend went from 50fps in cemu to 1fps
drowsy haven
That means they're most resource intensive.
tough jay
no one, he wants a laptop that can do vr
tranquil shoal
who
brazen path
Well, I know that much, but I expected more of a hit on performance
valid frigate
200 dollars is hopefully low.
shy nest
Can I also download some rgb lighting @vocal shard ?
tough jay
so he can walk around the streets playing vrchat
valid frigate
a good videocard is 400 minimum.
vocal shard
No secret, just download the titan x gpu. I think U can find it on google
pastel grove
Need to download more ram to play vrchat
brazen path
Far as I can tell everything has been fine in terms of fps
drowsy haven
@brazen path System calls are extremely slow in the context of gaming, so they were already avoided in game development as much as possible.
steady violet
I've always stayed away from sketchy websites and updated my windows, so I havven't been hit.
split vortex
Downloadmoreram . c o m
covert cipher
a 1060 which is the minimum spec is going for almost 350-400 right now
drowsy haven
It made my compile time go up a bunch though 😦
dusky vault
Probably the least expensive VR capable laptop
tranquil shoal
@valid frigate i got a 1050ti on newegg new 185
dusky vault
valid frigate
I said good videocard.
dusky vault
It'll be sold under different names in different regions
vocal shard
Palm that doesnt work, u cant download ram bro
tough jay
stop buying nvidia and switch to AMD and you'll pay half the price for twice the power
brazen path
Has a bigger effect on rendering and such of big files, yeah.
dusky vault
but "Clevo P651" or whatever
pastel grove
Meltdown increased compiling time by like 3x
brazen path
But stuff that isn't high-taxing should be unaffected mostly.
shy nest
AMD 😂
tough jay
or you can get a raspberry pi. i hear it can run calculator
brazen path
I used to be a lil amd fanboy but...
drowsy haven
@pastel grove If it increased it by that much then your CPU clock might be broken, it should have only increased it by roughly 15% depending on your language.
pastel grove
The hit is worse on older cpus
brazen path
thne I got an intel cpu
drowsy haven
@tough jay Raspberry Pi is vulnurable to meltdown too.
vocal shard
Nah dont download an AMU gpu, its gonna corrupt your system32
brazen path
Single-core performance on amd is... oh god.
worldly charm
You laugh but that used to be a thing. You could technically "download more ram", it compressed your existing memory. Coudl download more disk space too (was called Stacker)
tranquil shoal
@valid frigate 1050ti is amazing bro, dont know wtf youre talking about
tough jay
i used to be a big intel guy until my last pentium 4 burnt out
brazen path
I remember trying to play arma 3 on an amd cpu, it was dire
vocal shard
Nonsense, u cant download more ram but I heard u can download a gpu and cpu for ur rig
opaque star
buymorevirtualram
tranquil shoal
io have a 6600k
dusky vault
I've not done anything much CPU related yet
brazen path
Cus arma 3 only uses like 1 or 2 threads
opaque hawk
I have a 1050ti and its awesome
tough jay
a badass cpu with a shit gpu will always struggle
brazen path
AMD's single-threat performance made me want to tear my heart out and eat it
drowsy haven
@brazen path Arma 3 uses 6+ threads, it's just that most of the important stuff is in threads 0 and 1.
valid frigate
That's completely false
hollow quail
@hollow helm its possible we have come across each other
brazen path
Yeah, the important stuff. :<
valid frigate
Arma uses threads based on your CPU.
tranquil shoal
i agree with @valid frigate
tough jay
shiina i have to agree with you on the older stuff. but the newer ones they have, the Ryzon threadrippers are killing it, outperforming intel right now
cosmic fractal
Is anyone else having a hard adding friends in game?
vocal shard
@tough jay so ur telling me a high end cpu with a low end gpu wont perform well on say after effects?
valid frigate
IT CAN, doesn't mean it regularly does. If throttling is detected it drops threads.
drowsy haven
@valid frigate It uses CPU threads based on your CPU, but programatic threads it uses a limited amount.
river ocean
Yes servers are still down
brazen path
Hell ,was trying to play arma 2 on a 16gb ram system with my current 1060 and an a-10 7850k
18fps
steady violet
Friends are bugged, you have to click "Details" and add them in that menu. Been like that for a few days.
brazen path
even after doing all the startup command tuning
valid frigate
Sounds like something is defective in your system then.
pastel grove
Best to wait until tomorrow for the vrchat team to fix everything
tough jay
the problem is you said A-10
drowsy haven
@brazen path those launch parameters were depreciated years ago, don't use em
tough jay
not FX or Ryzon
drowsy haven
It should auto-detect now.
brazen path
Graphics was off, like
tough jay
a-10s were meant for laptops
hollow helm
@hollow quail You think so? Wait ... the whole "ChanDesKun" does sound like one guy I saw ...
tough jay
the entire A line was meant for laptops lol
brazen path
Issue was I was epecting more performance per thread cus it was a 4GB core
But it was dire
GHz sorry
Then I stuck a 3.4GHz intel core in and it was 60fps
tough jay
ghz is good but what was the wattage?
drowsy haven
@valid frigate In order for a game to actually use a thread it has to be programmed into the game to use it, your CPU allocates various tasks to different threads, but in the context of "multithreading" a program that's not what we're talking about.
hollow quail
Well no my ign is itzsaif @hollow helm
brazen path
Iunno the pull it had, but I have a 600w supply. Never had issues with power, like
drowsy haven
Yeah, so I am I?
tough jay
because if the power usage of the processor was low, say 80W then you only get the power of 80W. the new threadrippers are running 200W alone
valid frigate
And I'm not disagreeing with you?
drowsy haven
You said arma uses threads based on your CPU
vocal shard
@flint wigeons why does my game just a black screen when I boot it?
tough jay
not saying all amd processors are good..... most are garbage.
brazen path
I do remember comparing the performance of amd cores to intel and seeing single-core performance difference was great.
valid frigate
Yes, but it can use more threads than exist on your system
brazen path
then again, was comparing my amd at the time
tough jay
the biggest problem is intel still has a stranglehold on hyperthreading iirc
drowsy haven
I mean yeah, but one of my best friends is a Bisoft developer, trust me the mulithreading in Arma is awful.
brazen path
I wouldn't call it a laptop core per se though, the thing could handle fallout 4 with about 100 mods on high.
split vortex
I hacked minecraft with my gamecube and made it run 24 hyperthreads
drowsy haven
Also context switch is expensive as fuck so throwing shit on different threads just for the hell of it isn't exactly a good idea.
brazen path
HAd the graphics crossfired or whatever with my graphics card at he time too
valid frigate
Not saying so. Arma is a nightmare for optimization
brazen path
.. then arma chewed it up.
valid frigate
I'd rather not think about it
hollow helm
@hollow quail Oh well. That one sounds familiar too, if mine (Zimitri) sounds familiar to you then we probably did see each other.
valid frigate
At least it's better than the dumpster fire that is pubg :^)
brazen path
Similar engine, no?
drowsy haven
@valid frigate Just wait until you find out that in SQF (armas scripting languages) void methods have to have a return type.
hue hue hue.
brazen path
At least, bohemia staff were involved with pubg
drowsy haven
No, pubg was originally an arma mod
valid frigate
if it requires a return type how the hell can they call it a void method
drowsy haven
Bisoft wasn't directly involved.
brazen path
Oh god a game with bad optimisation.... company of heroes, the first one
fiery rune
how bad would running an oculus on a GeForce 920 i5 core be?
tough jay
I honestly dug out my old gx380 the other night, pentium 4 processor, 2gb ram, and an ancient ati graphics card from before they did radeon. I installed vrchat onto the windows xp and launched it. all the fans sounded like a jet engine winding up, but it actually held 20fps
drowsy haven
@valid frigate 🤷
brazen path
If you put everything on max, even high-end machines grind to below 30fps
tough jay
...before it burnt itself out
brazen path
Mine gets like.. 11fps on a 4v4 map
tough jay
pretty sure i fried the mobo
earnest harbor
which became a mod for arma
drowsy haven
You know what game has good multithreading and nobody gives it the credit it deserves?
earnest harbor
eventually turned into the various independant games we see now
proper tundra
Which became a game
drowsy haven
Fucking World of Warcraft, and no I'm not joking.
valid frigate
I didn't say that ArmaBR was the first battle royale.
earnest harbor
so no
valid frigate
I said it was the original pubg.
drowsy haven
WoW has amazing fucking multithreading
brazen path
Well, all them spell effects going on and stuff
tough jay
yeah, WoW is another story entirely when it comes to threading, that shit's insane sometimes
valid frigate
That's because Blizzard has probably the best optimized game engines in all of the industry aside from Doom.
tough jay
all about the program 😛
ashen barn
anyone else blackscreening when trying to log in
brazen path
I'll try another upload, see if its any better
valid frigate
Yeah we don't talk about that
drowsy haven
Because #unity
valid frigate
lmfao
versed horizon
Yep i have blackscreen too
tough jay
hearthstone is garbage programming
brazen path
Scottish internet in mind, this'll take 10 minutes to test.
earnest harbor
I can't log in
tough jay
it would run better if they printed it on paper lmfao
brazen path
oh nice the sun is coming up
versed horizon
I think the devs are working on the servers right now
valid frigate
Hearthstone's team 5 are the devs that were hired for the hell of it. Blizzard gave them unity and said "have fun"
And they made a children's card game.
tough jay
tell the devs to hurry up or gimme the address because im tired of waiting and willing to pitch in
drowsy haven
@valid frigate Don't talk shit about them I'm literally in the procress of trying to get on team 5 😦
shy nest
Wtf are you insinuating that bethesdas engines are more then as shoody piece of crap
Lies, they’re crap and always will br
brazen path
.. I think we wee on about bohemia, not beth
tough jay
lol. bethesda.
brazen path
<.<
valid frigate
Team 5 is cool but Hearthstone doesn't belong as a part of Blizzard besides for its IP.
brazen path
unless I missed something
earnest harbor
more solid than unity vOv
tough jay
tell me when skyrim can handle more than 4gb of ram and i'll let you know when it stops being garbage
valid frigate
It's completely different than every other blizz game
drowsy haven
@valid frigate It's actually not, team 5 is based out of Austin not the main blizzard offices AFAIK
tough jay
damn 32 bit programming
shy nest
I never said it was good
drowsy haven
So it's really seperated
tough jay
the atari jaguar was 64bit for goodness sake
brazen path
Hell, tell me when skyrim can do more than 4GB of ram without having to have a 4GB exe patch
drowsy haven
At least, I know the position I'm applying for is Austin based.
split vortex
Where's my 128bit programming
valid frigate
Skyrim can, use SKSE.
split vortex
Dammit
drowsy haven
I don't know if the whole team is there.
brazen path
wasn't even large address aware
Yeah, exactly, pached
not by default.
Was the same for fallout 4.
valid frigate
They're not going to release a 64bit exe to an 8 year old game
tough jay
its still a 32bit program
valid frigate
se doesn't count
vocal shard
wow. Skyrim is 8 years old ;_;
tough jay
what that "special addition" version? all they did was up the graphics
brazen path
Issue with 32 bit is mod limit
drowsy haven
But if we use 64 bit we lose 16 bit compatibility WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITHOUT PEOPLE RUNNING 16BIT PROCESSORS?
brazen path
I think you can only run 255 plugins at once
split vortex
It's the 64bit engine they use for F4 in the remaster
brazen path
or 254
split vortex
Totally different engine
brazen path
.. one of the two
valid frigate
255, indexed as 0-254.
brazen path
I think its 255, given 256 is in that byte format
valid frigate
wait
drowsy haven
Well, the total amount is probably 256.
valid frigate
lied
cosmic fractal
Servers must be down pretty badly, I got logged out and it keeps saying to verify my email, even though I have played this game for like 2 or 3 weeks.
valid frigate
yeah
drowsy haven
It's just that one is the actual game
valid frigate
256 indexed as 255
brazen path
It never runs if I hit 256. :<
drowsy haven
You probably can't have more than 254 because one of them is reserved for the actual game
brazen path
then again, nexus doesn't count the core plugin as a mod plugn
brazen path
Mm, pre'y much what I just guessed
valid frigate
That's exactly how creation engine works, so, yes
brazen path
wow, I'm on the ball for once.
valid frigate
that's correct.
drowsy haven
It's how real virual reality engine (arma 3) works too
brazen path
Usually I'm back at the start line drooling into my own hands
drowsy haven
Hence why theres an (addons) folder in the game directory.
valid frigate
.bsa are not counted I believe, as they are assets
brazen path
77% uploaded
valid frigate
but .esm and esp are counted.
rain crypt
anyone experiencing this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIBbxl6YGuA
brazen path
YEah, thats how I've managed to go over mod amounts
brazen path
That and the tools that let you mash two or more mods into one
brazen path
forgot the name of the program.. eh..
brazen path
Doesn't matter I guess
drowsy haven
name you kid
drowsy haven
Bobbby Jon"DROP TABLE STUDENTS
brazen path
might work this time
drowsy haven
Ol' bobby tables.
drowsy haven
My high school (five years ago) didn't.
brazen path
the school reception at my last highschool
Username: reception
Any guesses on the password?
brazen pumice
Laame
brazen path
xD
drowsy haven
I mean
brazen pumice
Where is everyone??
drowsy haven
How many mac laptops were vulnurable to
brazen path
the password was also reception btw
valid frigate
My junior high kept the student records on localhost, and it was accessible with "admin, admin"
drowsy haven
They fixed it a few months ago
tough jay
my highschool was hilarious. the cisco class repurposed an abandoned locker room and made it a lounge, we snuck in two couches several flat screen monitors and two xboxes. all we did was play halo 2 all day and the teacher couldnt find us because we blocked the door with a matress
drowsy haven
Also if anyone is a fan of Roosterteeth
brazen path
I thought that would have died out with the old 1'or'='1 trick
drowsy haven
as in the production company
For achievement hunter / funhaus / RWBY anime, etc
They have massive security flaws on their website
split wolf
redvs blue
drowsy haven
Like it's actually disgusting how bad their security is.
brazen path
ehe... that 1'or'='1 was like my childhood
drowsy haven
And you should use a different password on their site
tough jay
20 goto 10
drowsy haven
They don't run SSL site wide
drowsy haven
So man in the middle attacks are possible.
drowsy haven
Someone on /r/roosterteeth demonstrated a working man in the middle attack on their site earlier this week.
Not these days
Anything with forms should have SSL-site wide.
I think XSS is possible too
But they fixed that
brazen path
Web dev lecturer at uni taught us to have a site-wide ssl if the site processes sensitive data.
valid frigate
It's very difficult to get targeted by mitm without being on an infected network.
brazen path
more to cover our own asses than anything
valid frigate
As I said, even though it's bad practice
drowsy haven
Roosterteeth has had their domain hijacked in the past
valid frigate
It isn't necessarily required.
drowsy haven
So it's been demonstrated to be possible.
valid frigate
It's just for the best, and there's really no excuse to be fair
brazen path
Uni lecturer also taught us to fake working extra time on websites to charge more money.. to cover out own asses
valid frigate
Considering letsencrypt exists.
drowsy haven
brazen path
love the inde market
drowsy haven
Heres the post
Also, it's important to note (as noted in that reddit thread) Roosterteeth hosts gaming convientions
In said conventions, people will be logging into the site
So all someone has to do is setup a rogue wifi network near the convention center
brazen path
... that seems... worrying simple to do
drowsy haven
Yeah, and RT isn't taking it seriously
brazen path
fuck, tempted to do it in my house
drowsy haven
I use entirely unique 256 digit passwords for their website now.
brazen path
i admin the wifi in my block. xD
well, more like
"kick the guys off the net who use too much of our 16Mbps network shared between 10 people"
"except me, I can download as many games as I want"
Diplomatic immunity at its best.
valid frigate
16mbps, you poor soul.
kindred raven
Servers down? Anyone able to log in?
drowsy haven
I get 30mbps
valid frigate
Yes, down
drowsy haven
University internet
valid frigate
Read announcements.
brazen path
im scottish, 16Mbps is a fucking godsend.
safe yacht
Black screen on log in yeah.
brazen path
when I lived in the countryside we got 300KB/s
drowsy haven
When I move to Austin I'm gonna make sure to move to a place with gigabit
vocal shard
you cant login to hub right now you need to login to another world
brazen path
there was probably a fucking potato in the line at the exchange box.
valid frigate
I'm taiwanese, I get 150mbps unlimited LTE
drowsy haven
damn you asia
and your good internet
😦
It's too bad about that undersea cable though
brazen path
My landlady is meant to be putting in fibre but she's been "meaning to" for over a year now.
valid frigate
I can tether my phone to my PC and have better net than I do in Canada when I visit
lol.
drowsy haven
(Not any specific one, just pick any of the 5 cables cut in the last 3 years)
kindred raven
vrchat webpage offline too? was gonna creat a private world link
brazen path
So for now I need to take a pointy stick with me when I hunt down the terrifying 7 foot polish men who are using all the wifi to watch scrubs or something
valid frigate
There are servers all across the globe, not only in NA.
It's an annoyance but it's completely a non-issue.
drowsy haven
As I said earlier, I'm pretty sure they use AWS
valid frigate
Who's "they"
drowsy haven
VR chat
valid frigate
yeah, more than likely
drowsy haven
All of the models are on AWS as far as I could tell from the logs
brazen path
Last time I had to tell someone off for using too much wifi he shouted something at me in bulgarian then threw a scrunched up bit of paper at me.
drowsy haven
I don't know how the actual instances are run
brazen path
Can't say I like my job here.
valid frigate
Don't ping VRPill
frank lichen
👌
valid frigate
you'll get banned lol.
drowsy haven
He's on DnD
frank lichen
Oh no-
drowsy haven
He won't get pings
frank lichen
Is banned
drowsy haven
rip
vocal shard
my internet is garbage https://imgur.com/a/U74Wg
frank lichen
Oh oops.
brazen path
He's prolly working on stuff to fix it rn anyway.
frank lichen
Oh well
brazen path
Don't imagine vrchat has a big team, like
brazen path
multi-roll jobs~
safe yacht
Petulant child. Get over it.
valid frigate
Roal
frank lichen
🤷♀️
brazen path
Roahl
brazen path
ey think the like
mods play th game?
Never seen one.
.. or maybe they don't use flashy moderator nameplates and just mix in well
that gif.. is that a ubisoft game?
drowsy haven
yes
brazen path
I love how both the graphic asnd glitches are so typical of ubisoft you can pretty much instantly tell.
drowsy haven
It's because ubisofts engine is ridiclously bloated
brazen path
I remember trying to climb a tree once in AC3 and getting slingshotted 50 feet into the air
cosmic fractal
@brazen path Love those moments
brazen path
think my first ever match of siege started with me falling out the map too
tough jay
jesus my system just gave me 10lbs of nope in a 5lb bag
fast vapor
Is it safe to play right now?
tough jay
no, someone has a model with no panties on
brazen path
Peeps still say its looping.
fast vapor
😮
crystal storm
prolly the safest its ever been tbh
long venture
Fruit loops
brazen path
Ey, no panty models are the safe time to play
long venture
:shana:
tough jay
but what if it also has custom emotes making use of its fully meshed and textured internal organs
brazen path
... what?
tough jay
exactly
tough jay
wtf man eating is a normal part of life
brazen path
.. the poly count though, could they even do it?
drowsy haven
I'm just said I can't import my favorite model in to VRchat
I mean it's only 90k polygons
😦
dusky vault
Pantsu physics for next VRChat update
drowsy haven
It's like 50mb
brazen path
bah, you do panty physics yourself. :<
I bought some unity plugin like.. yesterday now, in fact, to give my model skirt and hair physics easier
sour quartz
anyone else stuck on black screen?
dusky vault
I kid I kid
brazen path
$20, hadly stuffz.
drowsy haven
@torn hawk No, it's a model of furutaka from kancolle.
brazen path
So now I can lift my skirt like a weirdo
tough jay
oh is that dynamic bones? its free on other parts of the interwebs
brazen path
YEp, dynamic bones
By other do you mean ye olde bay?
I try to support devs.
.. devs of small groups anyway.
Ubi can smd.
tough jay
i test drive before i pay
that being said i did purchase the pack now, well worth it
DID YOU JUST CALL ME A GIT
brazen path
shhhhh
tough jay
YOU RUDDY GIT
brazen path
dont remind me
drowsy haven
@tough jay git pull? push
brazen path
I noticed unity came with similar plugins.
tough jay
never pull. always leave it in.
dusky vault
git hub?
brazen path
Didn't quite have the same features
thorn latch
the muscle animator is so handy
tough jay
push? yeah thats more like it
thorn latch
spending 15$ on a HUGE time save
dusky vault
If it saves some hours of work then $20 is worth
brazen path
bam, I can grab my breasts.
drowsy haven
I use the Unity collaboration module
tough jay
but do they jiggle?
drowsy haven
Instead of git
dusky vault
esp if you can reuse those time savings on multiple avatars
drowsy haven
Because I hate myself.
brazen path
Indeed they do
drowsy haven
😦
thorn latch
I added a override where I can reach into someones dress and pull out panties
tough jay
LOL NOSA
dusky vault
Do avatars like Astolfo and Felix have their own dynamic bones? 🤔
brazen path
so, you just use an animation to enable an object when you have the hand in them?
tough jay
i want that for my kazuma avatar
brazen path
I do something similar to pull a gun out my throat.
fresh cedar
Can we still freaking not upload avatars😣
sharp moth
i paid someone to convert an avatar for me
dusky vault
oh no not oppai
thorn latch
Nope
devout sedge
I blame the Ugandan warriors for all the problems in vr chat
brazen path
I tend to punch myself in the face a lot trying to do it though
surreal mica
Can not jiggle bob
if no bob
tough jay
make bob?
sharp moth
i figure sooner or later i need to learn this shit
surreal mica
No, that's not astolfo
Don't turn my traps into women, that removes the whole point
brazen path
Its handy to learn on your own yeah
I didn't know a lick of unity or 3d animations or meshes like 2 weeks ago
dusky vault
I meant their own bones
thorn latch
I added colliders to my hands, and added the collision to my hair in the front so I can move it around
sharp moth
did yall use tupper's two hour long tutorial to learn the process for the most part?
brazen path
Now I feel confident in modding other games
tough jay
hmm dynamic bone jiggles on schlong under dress with no collision so it flops out from time to time.......
brazen path
ehhhh