lol
#development-advanced
warm niche
rough sleet
The range determines the size of the sphere.
So just set it a bit larger than the mesh.
rough sleet
Also if you increase the height you'll make the collider longer, like two spheres with a cylinder between them.
Correct me if I'm wrong @sterile cipher but I think you can do what you want using a collider from the hips to the knee and another from the knee to the ankle.
sterile cipher
Yep, sounds about right.
I've tried that before but uh.. I have a love-hate relationship with DynamicBones now, so
😅
FYI, for some clarification of misinformation that's been going around lately-- colliders are NOT set to be removed from avatars.
warm niche
Yay it works
it's not perfect but that would make the skirt look bad
if i added more range
but works as i wanted it to
❤
I love you guys
C:
sterile cipher
❤
rough sleet
You're welcome.
warm niche
Regarding colliders on avatars, this is marked as planned now for those not aware https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/hand-colliders
brave robin
Good, good, maybe I can make my control panel less hackey with this
gloomy mulch
Hello, I'm new here and I think this is a good channel to start with a big question
How do I make VRChat work on my IMac?
slim apex
@gloomy mulch you can't play the game on macOS. You can develop for it though. Just make sure you have the right version of unity and Windows build support enabled.
gloomy mulch
Aw
warm niche
Does anyone know how I have my character do .vmd animation? I don't know what to do.
rough sleet
@strange fable @mental narwhal Would it be possible to get the Quality Settings config file from the VRChat project posted so we can use them in our editors? or at least screenshots of the VRHigh/Low and DesktopLow settings?
mental narwhal
@rough sleet sure I'll try to post some screenshots tomorrow.
copper jewel
Can an animation override, work for just part of the model? such as to allow chaning just the facial expression?
autumn hatch
Yes. You can activate blendshapes for that
copper jewel
what about for if i just want animated bones
also curious if i can use animation overrides to animate editor stuff
autumn hatch
You can only override your own avatar
runic mauve
custom override can turn off and on render. and particle
runic mauve
there tons way use it just basic stuff is know for now lol
runic mauve
you even swap aninmator controller as well
runic mauve
make Gameobj put avatar in there that generic turn it off
then use animation to turn it back on
then make turn off your render main avatar
it way to make longer animation and dnace work
lol
without switch avatar
in menu
aninmator controller only work on generic avatar
exotic tree
Does anyone know how to make custom movement animations? I've added animations for the various movements to the custom standing anim controller, but while objects correctly toggle on & off with the animations, none of the bones i've animated do any transformations.
mental narwhal
@exotic tree if you are making a humanoid movement it must be applied as an override. Copy the override controller and connect your custom anim to all the slots (eg. walking has 4 directions) then put the override controller in the slot for standing overrides. When you are making a human avatar the main animcontroller should remain blank because it is not used.
There are a lot of animations to override in the human controller because you have walking, running, crouching and prone movement
warm niche
Help with sound settings? I don't want to blow out any ears
exotic tree
@warm niche I didn't realize this at first, but vrchat ignores the normal min and max distance for audio sources. There's an extra script attached to all audio sources called ONSP Audio Source that contains the range settings.
mental narwhal
VRHigh Quality Settings
VRLow Quality Settings
DesktopLow Quality Settings
@rough sleet ⏫
exotic tree
@mental narwhal I did exactly that. Maybe the problem is that my avatar has two skeletons. One is a fake humanoid rig attached to nothing so I can properly interact with the world, and the other is the actual non-humanoid rig that deforms the mesh. My animations are supposed to effect the second, non-humanoid skeleton.
mental narwhal
Oh wow. okay that's a pretty advanced usage. guess we are in the right channel 😃
For that usage, I'd recommend a whole separate AnimatorController on that non-humanoid, with a Generic rig.
warm niche
@frosty patio How would I edit those sound settings?
warm niche
Is the Audio trigger the Play() or PlayOneShot() I am ahving trouble when triggering an audio trigger a few times, at first it works as expected, but when you start to hit the trigger a few times, the audio cuts out and I only hear a VERY short 5 ms beep of the file after it shorts out and it will only play that broken sound from that point on... like it truncated the file, or the buffer is full?... when I use SetGameobjectActive, they Play on Awake as expected... but then as the object gets deactivated, the sound cuts off.. I am trying to get a reliable "One Shot" trigger that I can push, and the sounds will play through, which can handle being triggered a bunch of times without "shorting out" has anyone had this issue with sound triggers? Thanks
autumn hatch
I find that playing sounds reliably you need to turn on/off the soundsource and have it play on wake
Otherwise, like you said, after a few times it just cuts out and won't play
Not sure if it's been fixed, but don't use toggle. It's not too reliable either
warm niche
@autumn hatch thx Zarni!
exotic tree
I'm trying to create a custom avatar controller for a non-human avatar. I'm trying to follow this guide: http://vrchat.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_animations.
The guide says there should be a "SampleAvatarController" in the VRCSDK sample assets. All I can find are the SimpleAvatarController and an AvatarControllerTemplate. Neither of these have any of the animations specified in the animator other than falling, so I'm not sure how to trigger the movement animations. Am I missing a file in my SDK, or do I need to figure out how to specify the animations from scratch?
I've tried specifying the "move forward" animation to play when my postive Z velocity is greater than 0.05. This kinda works, but the animations have significant lag before they start and stop. Also, my body moves faster forward than my camera position, so my head is left behind. Does anyone know how to fix this?
copper jewel
are there any animation override guides yet?
copper jewel
thank you
runic mauve
One doc and other video but read and watch both
rough sleet
@mental narwhal Thanks.
spiral otter
question... So dynamic bones script is whitelisted. I wanted to edit the script slightly, just for editor ease of use. Like making it autopopulate the root transform with whatever bone I drag it onto
would that break the whitelisting?
mental narwhal
@spiral otter it won't break the whitelist, but your changes won't show up in the version you see when you are in VRChat.
spiral otter
that's fine. Only need editor changes
mental narwhal
If you only make editor changes you should be good.
viral verge
Have you written up anywhere how you intergrated unity into the game like this? or anything you guys have read? o: i would love to learn how it's done ^^
sterile cipher
So.. I'm not really sure where to put this because there isn't really a "#development-philosophy" channel, but: I've discovered that there is a great amount of "MMD parts" (essentially things like bodies, hair, clothes, etc) that have extremely open licenses. Typically, these licenses say things simply "Free to edit and use. Please credit me." This is literally the entire license, and there is no elaboration within the README, and no LICENSE file. As far as I understand, this appears to be a shorthand variant of the MIT/CC license. If I were to create an entirely original, new character using solely these parts and credited the author of the parts as necessary, it appears that I would be capable of not only using it in situations where Someone-Else's-IP avatars aren't permitted (such as VRC official photos), but potentially of selling these avatars.
Anyone want to chime in on this?
I also want to reiterate that the licenses are literally "Free to edit, free to use, credit me" in most cases.
mental narwhal
@sterile cipher First of all, I'm not a lawyer. You are partially correct that if their license is open as you describe, then the attribution should be sufficient (although we don't have a general way of looking up avatar attribution info in VRChat). However, and this is the IMPORTANT PART: the creator of the avatar may not own the license themselves. For example, you can hand create Mickey Mouse vertex-by-vertex in Blender, but you do not own the rights to use this likeness, Disney must grant it to you.
sterile cipher
Oh, of course. These characters would be original, and likenesses would be coincidental at best.
If I do go forward with this idea, my first creation would likely be a reimagining of my current avatar, which is a fanwork based off several other layers of fanworks, based off a 16x16px sprite from an indie game. 😅
Not the same character, but certainly inspired-by.
mental narwhal
Yeah but if that 16x16 sprite can be considered a unique trademarkable asset of that game, its still a grey area.
sterile cipher
I mean... hm. Is there a quantifiable "distance" that could be defined?
What I intend is essentially "oh hey, I like aspect X, Y, and Z of this character, but I'd like to do A, B, and C different. So I'll make my own original character."
mental narwhal
No, these are all very new legal areas, but sometimes companies with well-paid lawyers get ahold of the IP rights.
sterile cipher
Gotcha. I suppose this is also a case-by-case thing. ZUN is the group that makes Touhou (the character's source), and they are extremely open about fanworks and etc.
They're also very small.
As in... one person. 🤔
Essentially.
The second section is the interesting part.
"For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage, selling them in a convention
or in a shop at your own expense), or doujin material (derivative comics, stories,
games, CGs, goods, cosplay), you do not need to notify me or request my permission. The
copyright of derivative works belong to the creators of said derivatives. If there is trouble
regarding the derivatives of my work, I cannot take responsibility. "
The words are greater than that, but it seems like I could contact ZUN and get permission relatively easily regarding the intellectual property itself.
mental narwhal
Yeah, seems like they are pretty open with using the imagery itself. Of course, you could spend months and months creating the perfect avatar and then they sell the rights to a large company with expensive lawyers and you have to cease-and-desist.
sterile cipher
I'm not too concerned about that with ZUN. They've been around for a long, long time and have declined numerous very high-dollar offers, from what I understand.
I think I'll likely create something that's along the lines of "inspired-by."
runic mauve
Think it only effect big company Disney or sony because they have money sue if vrchat was told to take down
mental narwhal
@runic mauve there are plenty of companies like that, and sometimes even the smallest company has ties or connections to strong litigation.
sterile cipher
If ZUN doesn't want me using a Cirno avatar, I'd respect that. The size of the company really doesn't matter to me (but, if I'm being honest, I'd be more resistant to Disney or Sony throwing around big piles of cash vs a small developer asking me nicely to stop)
mental narwhal
It's really cool and rewarding to make your own original content. 😃
sterile cipher
It is, but I enjoy the look and feel of the character so much that my original content would likely be somewhat similar to the source. Not identical, not a likeness, but definitely inspired by.
Basically, my tl;dr is that I'm weighing "create characters from scratch in Blender" against "build something from a bunch of parts."
The former will take a LOT more skill-building and a lot more time-- and I'm not sure if I have that kind of time. The latter, while easier and less time-demanding, does have potential problems.
mental narwhal
Sure but there are a lot of fully legal parts and parts combining software out there. I've linked to some before.
sterile cipher
True, that's basically what Morph3D and Fuse are
mental narwhal
I'm frankly surprised that we don't have a lot more questions in here about Morph, or Fuse or Autodesk Character Generator or iClone, etc, etc.
runic mauve
There plugin make 3d model in blender
sterile cipher
There's a lot of demand for anime-style characters, hack, and none of those tools create very appealing anime-styled characters.
runic mauve
Hackspanner post befode3
mental narwhal
Manuel Bastione, @runic mauve, yeah -- no one is using it to create anime characters and it's fully open
mental narwhal
That's up to you @sterile cipher 😃
sterile cipher
you're telling me I have to do a bunch of hard work to get a good payoff? pffffffff
mental narwhal
If you want the exact style of something you're either paying for it or you are stealing it.
sterile cipher
It isn't.. hrm. It isn't the "exact style." Its difficult to put into words.
Like.. it'd be sort of like saying "I want something to look borderlands-style." But really, what you're asking for is sketchy comic-shading, big outlines, and that particularly angular look they give to faces.
mental narwhal
i get what you mean. but the MB stuff is extremely configurable. I bet if people sit down with it they'll get the look they want.
sterile cipher
I'll have to give it a shot. I kinda dismissed it after I saw how relatively limited the options were.
mental narwhal
That angular style of borderlines was created by a highly-paid character artist. You could pay them to do something for you 😉
sterile cipher
Well yes, but the idea is that I want to reproduce it, but on an original, new work. Content might be copyrighted/IP, but can a "style" be copywritten?
I guess we're getting a little too deep (and a little too far from the original point). But I see what you mean hack.
I think I might actually email ZUN and the creator of the avatar I currently use, and ask them if I might have permission to use my avatar in VRChat. 🤔 That way I could participate in these official photos.
(I mean, I already totally did that! Yeah... )
ornate pine
oh noes i better use my oc's model then :ooo
after I retexture him cuz rn he's a mess
mental narwhal
@sterile cipher I was actually spending a bit of time this weekend playing with MB and trying to develop my own "style" by reconfiguring the "Anime Realism" preset they have. I think that is a pretty neat look that's fairly unique.
sterile cipher
Interesting. I'll play with it once I get home today, hack. Mind if I ping you with questions if I come up with any?
mental narwhal
please do. i'm exploring it, so if you have any insights i'd be interested. I also recently purchased, iClone7 to check out how it works.
sterile cipher
It seems like the only way for me to contact the creator of my MMD is via Twitter.. here's hoping my question translates via Google decently well. 😄
Now to write an email to ZUN and see how that goes.
ornate pine
@runic mauve cool, thanks!
stuck bobcat
Has anyone had any luck triggering an animation via a trigger using the VRC Scripting system?
If so, I'd love an example.
sterile cipher
Lather has done it in their MMD Stage world. The buttons trigger several different animations.
runic mauve
@stuck bobcat talk to @warm niche he did with art show
And lather
Or @warm niche
Them 3 i know does it
stuck bobcat
K thanks! I'm going to try a different method for now, but will follow up.
lilac atlas
@stuck bobcat I am also triggering animations using a VRC trigger for WITB
kindred terrace
not sure how beginner it is, but im trying to parent a 2nd pmx file (ears) to my head, ive merged the armitures but need to parent it properly for unity?
kindred terrace
got it 👌
kindred terrace
which of these source model files might contain animations? https://i.imgur.com/WpHpM5x.png
runic mauve
You would neee bake animation blender on model to work unity
deep thunder
so ive been trying out http://eyeshot.io and 360 panorama capture
on the unity asset store
and im unsure why i keep getting pictures with this
it happens on vrchat too
runic mauve
@kindred terrace https://youtu.be/oUSe5uDLSJM
warm niche
Anyone know the best setting for audio source?
dark pine
change the spatialization (I think its called?) slider from 2D to 3D, and for volume, start with .1 and then test it ingame because they end up being really loud
shrewd sierra
@kindred terrace I believe it's baked into the mdl, which you can decompile- see https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Modeling
Crowbar is a good decompilation tool: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Crowbar
kindred terrace
nifty
exotic tree
Is it possible to specify a bone to be the head on a generic animation type avatar?
merry coral
warm niche
Which one of these spheres show the range of the music and when the player can hear it?
The inner one i think, but just put the same value in both.
The orange one? 'cause that's the only one I don't know how to change.
Yes, Min distance and max distance.
versed sorrel
warm niche
Any idea how to create a shadow dancer effect on a quad?
harsh bay
what do you mean by shadow dancer effect, pill?
warm niche
You mean like my goldfish avatar with the running cats?
warm niche
My goldfish won't work on avatars in the next patch but should work in worlds. It's just a set of images played through old depreciated VRC_Slideshow. The background of the running cat is made transparent in each image. I put the slideshow cat texture on my goldfish's albedo, then i put the goldfish texture in the secondary map.
I am able to tile the cat by changing the tiling, it's kind of a neat effect.
brave robin
Timeline looks awesome
forest osprey
So like.. when it comes to making buildings/structures/enviroments in general.. how do people set em up to do like.. I'm not really sure what the technical terms are for it, but like how some games basically have a pool of textures that all the buildings and roads source from
cause obviously, no way someone is gonna reasonably be able to make a custom texture for each and every building or rock and not go insane
autumn hatch
You mean like making prefabs for a bunch of different objects, a few variants of those, and start placing them?
forest osprey
Something like that I suppose
autumn hatch
Guess you could model a generic house, make a few different variants externally (different coloured roofs, spiked fences) and make prefabs for the interior aswell, so you can just parent different interiors to exteriors
That's how I would populate a world with plenty of buildings anyways
forest osprey
what about the texture part?
cause the sort of buildings I have in mind would be in a sort of old medievalish fashion
autumn hatch
I suppose the 3D modeller just grab a texture from the assets pool and start working around it
Or if you just want a colour variant just throw a new material (assuming building is one texture) at it and swap out for a palette swap made in photoshop or you tint it with the unity colour box
harsh bay
does unity support uv animations/blendshapes? ex. animating uv to move to a different space on a texture (for eye expression animations)
rough flame
Is there a new SDK?
warm niche
^
prisma falcon
^
harsh bay
do you have to uninstall the old sdk or just launch the new one and let it auto update /replace?
sterile cipher
@warm niche Any way you can let us know precisely which version of youtube-dl your VideoPlayer script is using?
maiden crescent
I have a question. How floor height calculated in VRChat? All my anime avatars can not reach a floor with a hand. Controller can only reach my knee before bumping into real floor. Same problem with vrchat Unity-chan model. How to fix that?
runic mauve
something wrong with steam vr sensior
i would think
because i can touch the ground
plus use alot mmds
it not seee the ground correclty
reason does that
need re adjust and get advance fix floor setting
warm niche
RIP Ethan, hello Blue creepy man!
maiden crescent
btw this is not new patch issue. Been since 5.6 update
warm niche
^^ the new default avatar in SDK
Updating to new SDK in a current project. Open project -> Delete SDK? -> Reimport? is that the flow?
warm niche
Thanks @runic mauve
swift wren
@maiden crescent would you be willing to PM @mental narwhal the blueprint ids of the effected avatars?
maiden crescent
Okay, will do
lucid flax
Anime avatars have unrealistic proportions so the feet dont match up
the legs are a lot longer
so the hands + head take priority for scaling
mental narwhal
yes, we basically give you high-heels or stilts as the case may be
sterile cipher
Delete the entire VRCSDK folder from your assets before launching Unity. Then, reimport.
oops I wasn't scrolled down
@runic mauve AFAIK, Dynamic Bone update rate was limited to 60 max. In addition, when you're beyond ~20 meters from the avatar with the bones, the script is disabled on that avatar.
sterile cipher
Anyone with experience with storing files in Amazon S3 for personal use? I'm interested in using S3 for storage for video files to play in VRChat on VideoSync screens.
warm niche
Is there an easy way to just half all texture resolutions in Unity?
Right now I have to go through each one (b/c they are all different resolutions)
autumn hatch
Can't think of any easy way in unity, but maybe import all textures in photoshop and shrink canvas by 50%? Not sure if that would be faster though
maiden crescent
Okay. One more WEIRD thing with VRChat. We are in Silica world right now. There are buildings in the world. They became bigger and smaller when we change avatar eyeheight. Literally growing from the ground. This happened before last update too but we noticed this connecton just now.
mental narwhal
@warm niche You can select all the textures in unity and set their maximum size. Not necessarily half the original, but it works for downrezzing.
runic mauve
@maiden crescent did you make sure avatar description in middle of the head between of of the model
when i went in vrchat did that it was normal
because avatar decrpiton dont work right when on the nose anymore
only reason i think your menu out place because that camera to far up on the model body
so it make your hand short feeling
maiden crescent
please read what I wrote before. My menu is fine
runic mauve
i did
just make sure you know were actally put the avatar description
that what cause issue not in right spot of the model
i did same thing you were saying it didnt effect it
maiden crescent
What you did? This world is private
runic mauve
then world issue then
best thing to do @maiden crescent get bug report
in that world
if only that
place doing it
maiden crescent
I know how and where report bugs. Thanks.
stuck bobcat
Just confirming - MasterBufferOne and AlwaysBufferOne both work for all players in the room, except the former can only be used by the room's Master, and not anyone else. Correct?
autumn hatch
That should be correct yes
forest osprey
@mental narwhal And for some avatars, virtual leg amputation
mental narwhal
Yup if your avatars have super short legs, we must amputate (well, push your real ones through the ground)
forest osprey
The walking animations been tinkered with the account for that now with the recent update ye?
Since having the bubble so low, the game things your crouching when walking
mental narwhal
yes, that should be fixed in the new release. we tested against a few of the extreme avatars in Al's Corridors and it seemed to work. There's a whole other matter of having an avatar whose hips and spine are so bent or out of proportion that our walking animation doesn't work well. If you make a character like that, you should really provide a custom walk.
runic mauve
yea if the legs spread to far apart it does that
forest osprey
oh
it's kind of funny, legs aren't that shot, just visually short
maybe it's the hunch of the spine that's doing it to mine
forest osprey
well that's the thing
works perfectly fine in desktop mode
animations look fine
it's just in VR mode when it messes up and moved about like I was crouching
runic mauve
desktop ik and Vr ik total different
there even full body Ik
desktop ik use full movement from Ik VR with controller use half of IK and Full body tracking IK use whole user body movment
if the hip spread apart to much it dont know if you crouching or standing
reason hip need to extactly like human
it just register on your crouching in vr
when setup like that
forest osprey
well the other issue is my VR bubble is shoved into the g round aswell
and the FOV is also altered to match, making everyone look smaller, even when the character model isn't really THAT much bigger
What effect does arm length have on it? @mental narwhal
runic mauve
did you adjust the avatar description
you have adjust to point the avatar descrption has be near the eye of model. i dont know if this fix yet but i put my avatar description in middle of the head
so im able to see my vr chest
if you can look down and see your dont chest then your to far up
forest osprey
I think I was placing mine somewhere around inside the mouth, kind of like if it was a costume
runic mauve
then your arm feel werid
best way to test this if you vive put the ring around your mouth
if you touch your mouth in vr
forest osprey
runic mauve
then your right spot
forest osprey
that's the head bone
runic mauve
maybe adjust head body more up
runic mauve
yea the ik more humaniod problem making non humaniod type body
If the armature more human like then it work right
but change more non humans make it werid
in vr
forest osprey
I'm curious how that one bird model was made
the wrinkly shriveled bird model someone had stashed in a private room a month or so ago
forest osprey
Sadly can't recall
runic mauve
best to find that room again find that person how he did it lol
i just know IK has be more human to work right
even if your legs long need adjust them work full body tracking lol
forest osprey
well, the issue should hopefully be fixed, I just need to see if the fix does work for mine
mental narwhal
@forest osprey Your avatar is diverging enough from a human that you might want to try another technique to rigging it: Actually put a human skeleton (scaled to your own dimensions) as if you are wearing the avatar like a costume, then hook up the bones like hands, head and feet to drive the avatar's bones. It's a little more complicated but may get the feel you want. At some point we'll probably allow our sdk to export just these tracking points so you can do this without a dual skeleton, but for now that might be something to explore.
forest osprey
full body puppetery in a way
mental narwhal
I'm not sure how dedicated you are to this, but getting your own copy of FinalIK to set this up would be useful.
Yeah, the puppetry route makes more sense for avatars that aren't really human or human proportioned. Our full-body ik is particularly tuned to have a real person, drive a fairly realistic human shape.
forest osprey
You wouldn't happen to have an example of this dual skeleton method would ya?
mental narwhal
Not really, i experimented with it on a drone i made, but the drone is just rigidly connected to my head. so i can crouch and stuff to move it around, but thats it. @steep cliff has done a lot of stuff with hand puppets.
steep cliff
Feel free to DM me about any puppetry related questions.
mental narwhal
Yup, and then you need to hook up some way to drive the limbs, most likely iK, but you could maybe try physics joints or other stuff, but that would be more humorous.
forest osprey
well, I don't think I had much trouble with the arms
mental narwhal
You'd configure your "inner" skeleton as the mecanim humanoid, and then the outer skeleton would be another rig (it could be generic)
oh i see, yeah, you could just make the lower body separated from the normal ik.
forest osprey
Ya, it's mostly just been the animation when walking
mental narwhal
it's a bit like that Scooby Doo where the back legs just wobble around. hehe
rough sleet
@mental narwhal Have you every tried using the other FinalIK scripts on an avatar?
I tried to use AimIK to make some blocks track a child of one of my eyes. It works in the avatar preview but not in world.
mental narwhal
Yup my Borg character uses CCD and some other stuff
rough sleet
They just sort of drift around for everyone else.
mental narwhal
The new SDK let's you use the finalik ik-order script so there are some improvements to our support
rough sleet
Hmm. I'll have to take a look at that later.
Would that affect them even if they're parented to the avatar's root?
As opposed to a bone?
mental narwhal
I tried to whitelist most of the useful stuff but I may have missed a few. You'd get a warning if it was getting stripped though
rough sleet
I haven't tried it with the new patch yet, but I'll keep an eye out for that.
forest osprey
Well, don't know if it was the fix you guys made, or the "puppet" legs I added, but the big guy walks normally now \o/
runic mauve
@forest osprey think the puppet leg that fix it lol
forest osprey
Well, either way I'm too lazy to change it back, so the puppet legs stay \o/
Hey @steep cliff Perhaps that could be the way you could add moveable hands, it's basically the virutal version of a stick
downside, you'll need to find a way to make the rest of the arm bend freely
Which I guess you could do through that FinalIK thing hack mentioned
Couldn't show off the working legs though cause everyone was all bundled up into a private instanced of the hub room apperently.. all 40 of em
and not a single one was in my friends list v:
steep cliff
Interesting. I'll do some tinkering.
forest osprey
oh man
I just had a great idea for a puppeteer avatar
Could set up the blend shapes to make the characters face like talk out the side of the mouth like if trying to throw the voice to the puppet
median reef
Does website on WebPanel have the way to fire VRChat RPCs ?
I want to create pages that to search any videos and play on VideoPlayer in VRC World.
like old youtube panel
sterile cipher
I'm also interested in this kind of functionality. Right now if I want to queue up a new YouTube video (other than what's already on the playlist) I have to make a new build. @mental narwhal is there a way around this? Is there a way to dynamically feed a new URL to the VideoSync panel?
(You know what would be really neat, actually? A keyboard text input panel that would allow you to fire the contents off in an RPC...)
median reef
Okay. Thank you.
I believe in the future scriptings feature including this 🙏
mental narwhal
@median reef @sterile cipher you should talk to @sudden smelt about this. He's played around a bit and has some good canny suggestions around this.
sterile cipher
I have a few ideas for working around it regarding using a script on my server that redirects... that'll have to do until we have better functionality 😃
swift wren
BTW, we scrape videos; if the video source is region-locked then some users will not see the content.
pale violet
has anyone figured out how to transfer humanoid animations to avatars, if they interact with an object? it was once suggested i use the chair prefab for this, but i never got it working in 5.3. and i'm trying again but no luck yet.
digital grove
any one know's if the video sync panel's work with twitch?
autumn hatch
Currently, no AFAIK
raw heart
So now there's a new update, do I need a new SDK? Version I have:- VRCSDK-2017.08.29.13.08-Unity563p1
spiral otter
Hey folks. I have a web panel that is letting me enter text, in search field, but it never actually searches or accepts the enter key to run the search
Wondering what I should look into
the URL that is not working properly (as it does in chorme) is https://video-jukebox.firebaseapp.com/index.html?hud=true
it seems usually in the page just typing causes the results to load, which isnt happening here
raw heart
@autumn hatch Thanks m8
stuck bobcat
Has anyone who has worked with the new Video Panels determined if there is a way to mirror the video panel to other materials in the world, as you could to mirror the webpanels?
In the previous setup you just added a material that would mirror it, but i'm not sure where to do that in the new VideoPlayer
Unless you just stick the "Screen" material on anything you want the video to play on?'
(sadly that does not work)
@pale violet have never figured that out (making players animate). Would like to know how to do it!
pale violet
@stuck bobcat in theory it should work somehow to use the chair prefab, it has a similar mechanic, i'll have to experiment more
sudden smelt
@stuck bobcat on the video player there's an option to output it to a render texture which you can put into a material
lean crane
Does the video panel work with any websites yet, or only specific ones?
stuck bobcat
Thanks Euan!
sudden smelt
The video player and web panel are completely different things, the video player is just for playing video and the web panel is for displaying web pages
The unity docs contain info on what you can play on in the video player though if you use VRC_SyncVideoPlayer it also syncs the video as well as allowing certain video sites to be parsed so they work within the player
It is also do note not to use videos in web panels as it uses way more performance compared to a video player (this assumes web panels have been activated again in this patch)
digital grove
@sudden smelt What should be used for Twitch streams?
sudden smelt
There isn't a solution for that currently unfortunately
digital grove
alright thx
lean crane
The video player seems to like playing Electric Sheep whatever I put into it, I suppose it might not like VLC HTTP Streams?
sudden smelt
Yep streams are the issue, not sure why unity didn't decide to support them
lean crane
Trying to trick it the best I can, but I don't think this is a battle I can win.
stuck bobcat
@lean crane the video player is a little tricky at first, but it works
Try putting your youtube link in both the main URL and line 1 of the playlist
That works for me.
lean crane
Managed to get a makeshift solution by hosting the file I wanted to stream on my web server and pointing the video player at that
stuck bobcat
It should work straight from the Youtube link
You just gotta put it in the right spot.
One sec, will post mine.
So I put the same link in both the main URL and playlist 1. Not sure if that's always necessary (still learning) but it plays the video.
I tried cutting the playlist down but it didn't play the video then (though that might have been me linking to a bad video, it wouldn't play otherwise either). I just haven't had time to do a lot of trial and error yet.
I do however know the setup in the screenshot works
runic mauve
Make sure there non regional video to work right for everyone
lean crane
Suppose that's a benefit from using a personal web server, though downside is that if there's enough people in the room, it'll crush my server's somewhat limited connection.
sterile cipher
Anyone around that wants to help explain some Trigger shenanigans to me?
@rough sleet you still online?
rough sleet
Yeah @sterile cipher
lucid flax
Interesting
I was also seeing the Electric Sheep video on my video player yesterday
sterile cipher
That's the default video if it can't get the video from your specified source.
@rough sleet https://i.imgur.com/Nm0FDNr.png
intredasting.
rough sleet
What if you try something other than Owner?
sterile cipher
I think its something different. I'm duplicating the behavior from the example room
raw heart
How do you project additional screens? I tried to look for the thing that Euan said, but I can't find it. Tried using "Material Override", but that doesn't work either.
mental narwhal
@stuck bobcat @raw heart With the VideoPlayer you need to create a RenderTexture and point the VideoPlayer at the RenderTexture. Then you can create a bunch of panels that use the RenderTexture as their image.
raw heart
@mental narwhal Thanks. How do I make a Render texture? Is it the same as materials?
mental narwhal
Yeah you just create it in your project folder like making new material (right-click Create>RenderTexture). You also have to decide what resolution it is.
raw heart
@mental narwhal Thank you
granite turret
oha--
warm niche
Is there any way atm to set a sitting animation override so the character is higher up on the Y axis? For some reason it won’t let me set the hip bone position in the animator
raw heart
Quick question on ambient light. Should I bake it, or leave it as real time?
warm niche
yo guys im trying to upload my avatar and this happens forvever https://gyazo.com/26e29a73aff58c47a22f479c30fc5f23
warm niche
hello
runic mauve
@warm niche did you uncheck future proof vrcsdk setting
If you have more 100mb in that folder with future proofing
It upload that to
raw heart
@mental narwhal This worked, Thanks a lot m8 😉
spiral otter
Having an issue with 3D Text rendering in front of everything else in my level, anyone know why?
spiral otter
nm found a solution witha custom shader
austere lark
tring to set up my mouse extra buttons for rotating in vrc do you guys know what keybind i need?
solemn bloom
so is euans video sync still a thing?
warm niche
i think so. it still seems to work in the rooms i have it in
however i need to update like 20 of my rooms now with new video stuff... 😦
stuck bobcat
@solemn bloom So far as I know, Euan's things still work, but it remains buggy (freezes for some people and so on)
The new Video Panel has worked flawlessly with Youtube since I put it in.
the bugginess is related to the old webpanels, not anything Euan is doing
But yeah, upgrade to the new vid panels! They're awesome.
warm niche
Have you guys had success with playlists and new people entering mid video still seeing the video?
spiral otter
I just want to mention that the altspace video jukebox app on a webpanel is still the most reliable and best synced video player I've used in VRChat. They use firebase for the syncing.
spiral otter
I'm still trying to get the devs of that to follow through on their promise to open source it
prisma falcon
Can somebody tell me which emotes are which? I'm making an override but I'm unsure which ones are which :/
marble root
... if anyone ever makes a Spiderman locomotion mechanic for VRChat in the future, I will give them moneys $$$ to get that into my worlds - just throwing that out there, keep that in the back of your brains 😃
sterile cipher
Pill, I've had mixed success with late joiners getting synced to mid-playlist videos. Sometimes it works, sometimes it takes a minute or three, sometimes it doesn't work at all. Very hit and miss.
warm niche
yeah seems that way. Also sometimes when having multiple video players in a room the audio starts looping same few seconds on all video players
sterile cipher
I think once we have scripting going we'll have some nice community-made tools for controlling VideoPanels a lot more smoothly
warm niche
I've yet to see a video panel, i think it's because every world that has one makes my game crash.
sterile cipher
Have you given your output logs to pill?
warm niche
yeah tigerchips put a bugreport on vrchat.canny.io for that with output log
sterile cipher
Can anyone explain the Relay trigger to me? Documentation is.. well, nonexistent. 😃
sterile cipher
For context, I'm trying to make a set of buttons that only appear for the Owner. @lucid flax told me that I should use Relays, but uh.. 🤔
lucid flax
cant remember how i did it before
you might be able to use sendrpc
sterile cipher
yeah, i can use sendRPC (and it acts the way i expect), but i'm not sure how to translate an rpc into "activate this game object"
lucid flax
grab it from another gameobject and setenabled locally
oblique ember
Anybody has experience with culling masks and directional lighting?
I can't get the directional lighting to only stay on one area =\
rough sleet
Directional lighting is global
but you can limit it to specific layers
Unfortunately while you could put your world into separate layers for directionally lit and not directionally lit and set the culling mask to exclude the non-directionally lit part there is no way to control whether avatars are lit directionally or not based on where they are.
If you are using a real-time directional light you could instead use a trigger to turn the directional light off and on locally depending on where the person is. @oblique ember
oblique ember
Thanks TCL 😃
warm niche
guys ive been trying for days when i try to upload all it says is pushing those upload speeds forever
winged lintel
ugh. I keep getting a "Failed executing external process for Clustering job" over and over, even waiting it out
hasty bison
who made the Disk Throwing area?
maiden crescent
Vrchat team
warm niche
No idea
Anyone would teach me how to do a trigger so when ONLY the player that gets in the map spawns, something gets disabled?
sterile cipher
@rough sleet What was that program you used to view the framebuffer draw calls/other stats?
Until we get a better debug menu to view things like draw calls (or, in the perfect world, draw calls per user), i'd like a way to try to pinpoint lag.
sterile cipher
gotcha, thanks
arctic zephyr
So I have a question for the advanced devs since normal avatar chat seemingly had no idea lol. Is there a way to make a mesh emit a smoke effect?
To shroud a model in smoke?
digital grove
@arctic zephyr it is possible to shroud you character in smoke all you need to do is put a particle system next to the mesh's but careful on how much particles you have it can end up lagging people
arctic zephyr
I saw the particle system addon, but is there any way to have it emit from the mesh itself rather than from the ground near it?
And I plan to use this in emote/animations only. Just a cool feature that I thought of to work with the character.
digital grove
no not that i know of
arctic zephyr
Darn, I am guessing an emmitter type thing would 't be able to create a smokey texture.
Welp, ty for your advice Ruby, as a secondary question, I saw emmitters in Unity. And my eyes do glow when I am in a dark environment. Is there a way to make it seem brighter? Like to have a kind of glow to them?
digital grove
i am unsure about that i have not really thought about making my eyes emit a glow however i do know @autumn hatch has a character with a fantastic glow on its eyes
arctic zephyr
Interesting. Sorry, I am pretty new and am exploring all possibilities XD.
Thanks for all the tips Ruby 😃
digital grove
i understand i did the same thing when i first started
just remember no question is a stupid question
arctic zephyr
of course lol. I have no problem asking for help, but I also don't want to bug all the experienced people XD
sterile cipher
You can set a particle system to emit from a mesh. It will emit from the verts and any initial speed will be applied along the vert's normal.
However, it will likely act oddly if you apply it to a mechanim animated mesh (like a character) and have the particles set to world space.
It will probably only work in local. But its worth a shot. 😃
arctic zephyr
So would you by chance of another method to acheive the classic "anime smoke veil" effect?
And what do you mean by only work in Local?
sterile cipher
There's two coordinate systems that particle systems can use: world or local. World is the same coordinate system that everything uses at the baseline. 0,0,0 is the same 0,0,0 for every gameobject. Local space is the coordinate system where 0,0,0 is the coordinate of the gameobject in question.
To make it simpler, assume you emit one single particle off your avatar, and then move. If you are using local space, the particle moves with you, because the coordinate system is moving (relative to the world coordinate system). If you are using world space, then the particle stays in place in the world, because the world coordinate system has not moved (and never will).
You cannot use World space on emitters that are attached to bones animated by mechanim. The particle system does not respect the transforms applied to it by the Mechanim animation system, so the emission doesn't move with your arms/legs/whatever.
arctic zephyr
Ok that makes sense. So I would need to fuse the particle emmitter to my mesh.
Though I am sure that doing so is a lot easier said than done
Is it safe to assume that it would emit from the bones rather than the mesh? Or would the mesh itself be the emitter.
sterile cipher
Its part of the emitter module of the particle system (mesh emission). Obviously, you attach the particle system to the mesh. Bones in unity are basically just a bunch of transforms (coordinates) unless you're deaing with rigging or animation, so they don't really have a "mesh". They're just locations in space with a length, tail, head, weight paint data, and parenting data.
Its actually a lot more easily done than said, to be honest 🙃
arctic zephyr
Good to know
I am attempting to use Blender/Unity on a trackpad on my surface pro. So navigating is a nightmare -_-
sterile cipher
Yeah uh that sounds like hell
Even a cheap-ass wired mouse would be better than that.
arctic zephyr
I just forgot mine
Everything else works perfectly fine, except I can't seem to drag my camera
Surface pro keyboards have weird things that just don't work for seemingly no reason. So shift+RightClick dragging doesn't do anything.
sterile cipher
Doing blender without middlemouse is basically impossible.
arctic zephyr
As ive seen XD. One more quick question tupper... It says that the mesh particle emmitter is depreciated. Should I just add a particle system and reconfigure it?
sterile cipher
Yes. Any particle systems you build should be made with the Particle System component.
arctic zephyr
ok, wew lad. This is gonna take a LOTTA testing to get this working XD
I had added it, and the customization......Ive never seen so many settings 😛
arctic zephyr
Hmmmmmm it doesn't appear as though particle system can actually do what I am trying to do.... As far as I can tell it will always just be a shape near my model and not coming from all parts of my model.
rough sleet
There should be a skinned mesh renderer setting in the emitter settings section.
viral verge
np ^^
minor drum
a little preview at my OC im working on making compatible for VRchat
cant show how its going in blender yet
runic mauve
@minor drum most them model have less ploygon
minor drum
the thing is they're layered and have alot of stuff you cant see at that angle
i still dont know how to make custom eyes in blender tho so the face is gona be hardest part for me
winged lintel
so, I've started to impliment the video player from the SDK. Got a issue with the world having a crackly static noise, and the screens being extremely dim
turned off the reflection and light probes on them since theyre unlit, havent tested that yet. Is there something else I should be doing
winged lintel
yep, guess theres something else I need to do
the crackling audio is a major issue, ow my ears
warm niche
Oh gosh 😮
sterile cipher
I've noticed that if you start to cap out CPU usage while using the videosync player, you get audio crackling. Audio decoding appears to be fairly low priority.
hollow quiver
I have some (the majority) bones that aren't even connected to the mesh for me to put weight to them. How do I go about connecting them to the mesh? I've tried Ctrl P.
candid owl
How would one make it to where an object that spawns other objects has a limit on how many objects it's creates
open gazelle
Alright advanced people, my movement anim overrides cause me to spin serverside like a slow beyblade
viral sky
Hey guys don't know how active it is in here but i am trying to get VRC_SyncVideoPlayer working i have put in a youtube link but its still a white screen
warm niche
I want to setup a sound file as a background music for the whole map, without it being played from somewhere specifically so it sounds equally for the whole map instead of 3D, is this posible to do?
sterile cipher
@hollow quiver What do you mean in particular? Bones aren't "attached" to meshes. Do you mean that they aren't letting you weight-paint to the mesh? You need to add the "armature" modifier to the mesh and then specify the correct armature.
@open gazelle I believe this has something to do with your rigging, potentially with having animation scripts on your hip (like dynamic bones)
@viral sky Can you share a screenshot of your settings? Are you using desktop or VR?
winged lintel
hmm, makes sense since theres about 10 video players in the room. Not all of them should have audio though
stuck bobcat
@warm niche Yes that's straightforward. Once you've inserted the sound into your map (as an AudioSource) I believe you simply need to change it to 2D
Then it will play at equal volume across the map. I'd suggest a volume of 0.1 (or 0.2 at the loudest) so it doesn't overwhelm conversation or headphones.
If you make it louder than that most people will just mute their sound FX to get rid of it.
I'm not at home with Unity, so I can't recall the exact steps to set a sound as 2D, but I think it might be as simple as unchecking the box that says "3D"? Regardless a quick search on how to set an AudioSource as 2D in Unity should get you what you need.
@candid owl I don't know if it's possible to put a limit on the number of objects an object can create without custom scripting. In my experience if you have an object that spawns other objects, that can be used to spawn new objects until the framerate goes unusable.
sterile cipher
Uh.. yeah, too many video players in the room is going to devour CPU.
If you just want to have duplicated outputs, you need to use a render texture.
stuck bobcat
I'm not sure how to do that. I used to use the Oculus client to open a second desktop instance (using Steam to open my first) but I'm not sure if that works since the latest update. I know it's possible to do, though. @lean crane might know the answer?
slim apex
@fading pollen there is a batch file to launch the game without steam in the games install directory.
warm niche
I also having problems with some triggers, i have different buttons that i want to make them to switch from one song to another
let me show you an example
is that correct?
the issue i have is there's another player on the room
and i change the music
it mutes for them
stuck bobcat
I'm not sure if that will work or not. With the webpanels (which we used to play Youtube videos/music before the 5.6 update) if the webpanel wasn't active when the room loaded (inactive) it would never load at all. It had to be active at the start of the room to work, though you could flag it inactive afterward.
I'm also not sure you're going to be able to swap between multiple streaming sources like that. If you want to embed the music directly in the level, it should be fine to flip audiosources and off. But I'm not sure how that will work if you try to use videopanels
As a general setup, your triggers look fine. OnInteract sets Music 1 to active while setting the rest to inactive, which seems to be what you want
The only suggestion I'd use is to change your behavior to MasterBufferOne (instead of MasterUnbuffered) because if you use MasterUnbuffered, people who join your world after the music has been swapped won't hear the same things, since they won't receive the update that the objects were flipped from active to inactive (or vice versa)
basically, the "Unbuffered" triggers fire for everyone in the room when the trigger is fired, but not for people who come in later (which can lead to people being in the same room but seeing different versions of it)
the "BufferOne" triggers save the last change (and only the last change) and apply it to users who enter the room after it was done, which is great for boolean situations (where an object flips between true or false, but is always true or false)
And the Buffered triggers store EVERY change to an object's state done since the room was loaded, but those should be used with caution, as they can make load times suck for people who load after the room has been up a while or even prevent them from loading it at all (depending on how many buffered triggers are stored)
Also, the other thing about MasterUnbuffered or MasterBufferOne is the trigger will ONLY be usable for the first person to enter the room (who is flagged as the Master). If that isn't you, you won't be able to use the buttons.
So you might consider AlwaysBufferOne instead if you don't care about other people changing the music.
stuck bobcat
Not sure if anyone has set up a room that consistently swaps out multiple streaming sources via buttons. It'd be interesting if it's doable!
warm niche
I've seen a jp user that does it with equipable items
sterile cipher
If you're worried about Sync, it might be a bit touchy. VideoSync panels act oddly when you disable/enable the gameobject.
(especially if you are owner/master)
rough sleet
@fading pollen You can't open multiple VR mode instances. You have to run VRChat.exe with the --no-vr command line flag to force it to run in desktop mode.
Starting it without that flag will start another VR instace which will make SteamVR close the first one.
Create a shortcut to the exe and add the flag to the end.
warm niche
@stuck bobcat I have the same problem, if other person comes and changes to a different song that isn't the one you're playing, your music stops
stuck bobcat
So there's two ways you could handle that. The easiest might be to use a Local trigger
That way everyone could choose their own music, and all hear whatever they like without affecting other users
Local triggers only affect the person who uses them. They don't affect other players. An example of how they're used in one of my levels is that I have background music that plays by default. There's a "Music Toggle" button near the load which you can click. If you click it, it locally disables the music for you, but it continues to play for other players who may want to listen to it.
I use a similar method for the stage security on the Endgame stage. There's an OnEnterTrigger that will teleport you away from the stage if you enter it. However, if you go through the "Green Room" (which requires a passcode to enter) a LocalTrigger disables that onEnterTrigger for you, locally. That allows the hosts to be up on stage (since the trigger doesn't exist for them) but the trigger continues to exist for everyone who hasn't disabled it (since it is enabled by default) and teleports them off the stage.
So Local Triggers are a good way to let users customize a world to their liking without affecting other users, in cases where that's appropriate (like choosing background music)
So assuming you can get your music selection working consistently, doing it with local triggers would let everyone listen to their own preferred music without turning off or changing music for others.
Or turn off background music entirely if they don't want it.
Also, things can be set inactive by both Local and Always triggers. To take the Endgame stage security as an example again, entering the Green Room and using the door to the stage disables the OnEnterTrigger locally for you only. However, there is also a separate AlwaysBufferOne trigger in the Green Room that will disable the stage security OnEnterTrigger for everyone. We use that once the show is over so we can disable the stage security and invite everyone up for an end show screenshot.
warm niche
I have a mute option
stuck bobcat
So depending on what you want, local triggers may be your best solution
Otherwise, there's not a good way to stop one person from stopping or changing music for everyone, or people fighting over what music to play.
stuck bobcat
If your goal is simply to allow users to select the music to listen too, and you don't care about forcing users to listen to the SAME music, Local triggers are your best best
*bet.
warm niche
Laoz still why do you think that happens?
that when someone presses the button
if the song is different
it mutes the song you're hearing to
stuck bobcat
Not sure. The VideoPanels are new and I haven't had time to play with them much beyond learning how to get a Youtube video to play. So I know about as much as you.
stuck bobcat
Could be a limitation in Unity on the number of audiosources that can play at once? Could be you are disabling the audiosource in a way you' don't mean to?
warm niche
let me explain my setup
stuck bobcat
I mean ... the trigger you listed appears to have 4 audio sources, and using it sets 3 inactive while setting 1 inactive. If that's the way you set it up, then ANY user clicking that trigger will disable all audiosources for all clients.
Like I said, unless you're using a local trigger, any action by any user is applied to all users
warm niche
Well but i want to fix it so it ACTUALLY changes to the song the other person did use
stuck bobcat
Your Trigger is MasterUnbuffered, which affects everyone in the room.
warm niche
i did switch it
stuck bobcat
Based on its setup, you set Music 1 active, and Music 2-3-4-mute inactive.
warm niche
to allwaysbufferone
stuck bobcat
AwlaysBufferOne also affects all users in the room
stuck bobcat
So, if any user clicks that button, all users will have Music 2-3-4-mute disabled for them
I suggested AlwaysBufferOne if you wanted to allow one user to change the music for everyone.
If you want each user to be able to select their own music, then Local is the one you want.
warm niche
but how do i make it so if i press song 2 and someone is on song 1 it switches to song 2
stuck bobcat
If I'm understanding your question correctly, you'd do it just like you have setup.
You'd have an AlwaysBufferOne OnInteract
It would set Music 2 to Active, and Music 1-3-4-mute to Inactive
warm niche
I have it
stuck bobcat
That would be applied to all users in the room once clicked by any user
warm niche
and it still does mute other people's songs if they are not on music 2 for example
stuck bobcat
Hmm. Maybe I'm not explaining this well.
It WILL mute other people's songs.
Because any person clicking the trigger affects all players in the room
warm niche
But i want it to not do it @A@
stuck bobcat
Right!
So the way you do that is to use a Local trigger instead
So create an OnInteract that uses Local instead of AlwaysBufferOne
stuck bobcat
Or change your existing to Local 😃
warm niche
If it doesn't i will message you again x-x
stuck bobcat
Haha okay
I've done that setup myself so I know it works.
The only other thing I could thing that might trip you up is to make sure the AudioSources all have the checkbox checked that causes them to play every time they are enabled.
warm niche
Play on Start
stuck bobcat
If you don't have that checked, they might play the first time but not subsequent times. Can't remember the name of the checkbox off hand, but it should be obviuos.
Yup!
I think that's it.
warm niche
It has it checked
stuck bobcat
Cool.
warm niche
all songs play when i hit the buttons
spiral otter
Is it currently possible for me to toggle the visibility of an object with a button? I have one object with a taxing shader on it that I'd like to have off by default but let people turn it on if they want the higher end graphics
viral sky
@sterile cipher sorry for delay i got it working seems like it does not like live videos
sterile cipher
No, live streaming is not possible.
stuck bobcat
@spiral otter I believe that is possible, there is an action called SetMeshRenderer True / False
I think you can access it via the VRC_Trigger system.
I use it for the dancing girls or dancing holos in Benzai 10. They are always active, but I turn their meshes on or off
But it is possible both to make an object active/inactive via button, or to keep it active but make it visible/invisible. Both are simple to do with VRC_Trigger OnInteract
Also based on what you describe (object is off by default, users can turn it on for themselves) you'd want to use a Local trigger for that.
Local triggers only affect the person who clicked them, not anyone else in the room.
raw heart
So this is happening after I baked the world. As you can see, the terrain is dark. How do I fix this?
rough sleet
You can't use world space particles if the emitter is attached to a bone (or a child of one) because the bone's transformation won't be applied to the particle emitter.
@fading pollen
It will work fine if the emitter is a child of the avatar's root. You just need to change the simulation space from local to world.
rough sleet
The top level object in the avatar, it might be the armature or its parent.
Either will probably work. @fading pollen
maiden crescent
@raw heart baking not working with Unity terrain. Here is bugreport: https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/terrain-not-affected-by-lightmapping
raw heart
@maiden crescent Thanks Nyan
exotic tree
Hey, does anyone know how to make a "hall of mirrors" shader (see video below to see what I'm talking about). I've seen people with the effect on their avatars before so I know its possible.
https://my.mixtape.moe/hjowtq.mp4
runic mauve
Mirror was remove from avatar from new patch performance issue
Reason can't do ir anymor e
viral verge
Only reason i see for wanting that type of shader is to troll or annoy people o.O
runic mauve
yea if people abuse the particle system as well it could be next thing to be remove as well
so dont abuse it
or they take away from use
particle can freeze a room to point crash other people client
who pc cant handle it
viral verge
hope instead of removing they make a type of vip system where it's all unlocked
viral verge
Depends on the system tbh, Plenty of ways to stop that from happening
also even if you don't, It will still stop 50-80% of people
viral verge
Not really, would not be hard to lag,annoy or crash with just a few
But that can be said the same to animations to
viral verge
If you say so
runic mauve
IK system is animation
it take animation to make and look for your character to move
viral verge
It's what you can do with animation that can make lag, animations is not only the IK system
I'm not going to get into how, unless you want people todo it
warm niche
Need help with audio, no matter how loud I set the volume as, I still can't hear anything unless I go real close to the character.
Here's my settings.
sturdy frost
Try removing the onsp script. I've heard it messes up the roll off
And set the slider way up from 2D to 3D. Unless you want the sound to be heard evenly around the world
warm niche
I've only set it to 2D 'cause I thought it'll help me hear it. Gonna be trying your suggestion.
sturdy frost
It could be the fact that the 2D gets consufused with the ONSP settings forcing it to be within an 3D space
warm niche
It wasn't working with both 2D and 3D though, I only changed to 2D on this last try.
sturdy frost
Oooh then maybe not :)
warm niche
Gon' try removing ONSP though. 👍
sturdy frost
👍 if it doesn't work, I know misterjerome made sound work on avatar I couldn't get it working on
brave robin
If that sound is on an avatar people will crucify you for putting it to 2d unspatialized
warm niche
I'm testing it in a private world. No worries.
Oh, I can actually hear it now without getting close.
\o/ Thanks
sturdy frost
😄
hollow quiver
Okay, I've got a question with dynamic bones.
I've never used dynamic bones before and I can't get it to work at all..
warm niche
Why does loading keep restarting over and over around 60% for me? I am getting really slow download speeds, is it my connection? or a world config? over sized?
its for the art show, so if anyone has any suggestions, i would appreciate it, I tried seperating the world into two parts, same problem
two rooms
warm niche
Got a user to test the room, he could load in, so it must just be my connection, someone mentioned loading too slow can cause thi
for me 65% and get reset... everytime
magic garnet
I've seen people still able to take off hats and guns from their avatars, but VRC says you can't upload Avatars with triggers or events. Did they just import the avatar before this change or are there work arounds I'm not finding?
magic garnet
ty
runic mauve
Avatar trigger out date info
crude schooner
so why its on wiki then
woeful shuttle
Unsure
I don't know much about it but I think it'll remove the EventHandlers before import
Also I just realised this is dev advanced, I shouldn't be here lol
crude schooner
;'p
final wigeon
A lot of stuff on the wiki are for old versions of vrchat.
crude schooner
then why confuse with scripts that do nothing just remove them form build
final wigeon
I dunno. For reference you should be using https://docs.vrchat.com/ since that info is up to date.
final wigeon
Better than stuff that doesn't apply anymore and you try getting it to work for hours until finally being told 'oh yeah we dropped that out a year ago lol'
runic mauve
wiki for vrchat not even offical one it a coumminty that never here anymore
who made the wiki quit vrchat long time ago
cant base everything old wiki date stuff get change every time
best someone should just delete avatar trigger on that wiki
sterile cipher
EventHandler is out of date, and additionally it cannot be used on avatars.
You can't use triggers or EventHandlers on avatars
warm niche
Does anyone know how to stop the particles from changing scales when you move in with the camera? Or would that be fine in game?
spiral otter
Is there a way to restrict using a button to a specific user?
brave robin
Lock it behind either a master oly trigger, or a "padlock" that enables the button
crude schooner
particles in mirror are parented to my hand but when i look at the hand its not there anyone know whats wrong ?
autumn hatch
Think particles can only move in world space if they're paranted to the avatar game object, not a bone. Then they only work in local space.
If that's a bug or feature, I dunno
stuck bobcat
Need to add a VRC_ObjectSync
otherwise only the person manipulating the object will see it moving
It's a separate component from the VRC_Pickjup
*pickup
velvet stirrup
who do I gotta pay around here for them to make me a custom avatar?
warm niche
@velvet stirrup there's a VRC Traders Discord in the #353285911322034177 channel. It's for commissions might be able to find something there
warm niche
You should have a box collider rather than mesh collider. Collision detection should be on continuous or it may fall through the floor a lot. Add a special layer component and set it to walkthrough. Add an object sync component like Laozi2017 says.
spiral otter
@stuck bobcat Also with this exact setup the objects do not show up in the room at all
havent added object sync yet. would that cuase it?
warm niche
Need to remove mesh collider and add box collider instead.
Otherwise it will fall through the floor.
Should look something like this...
It might work with mesh collider if you click on the convex option but it's not recommended, for good optimisation use box collider.
stuck bobcat
I think them falling through the floor was what Tigerchips pointed out. But yes, you'll also need VRC_object sync
warm niche
Does anyone know if http://www.aglass.com/product is compatible with vrchat?
sterile cipher
Considering it was basically just announced, no, it isn't 😃
There is some discussion on it in #full-body-tracking
trim ibex
does anyone know how to use lightmaps/shadowmaps with models in unity? my model comes with light and shadowmaps which look really interesting
i have tried around with some script overwriting unitys lightmap baker, but it always overbakes my lightmaps when i try to upload my model to vrchat
pale violet
i don't understand Clear Flats and Culling Mask. no matter what i do, it seems that either the camera can see the skybox, or it can see the 360 sphere that i use as alternate skyboxes. as soon as it's the shader used is Skybox/Cubemap it disappears.
although in the shader i now changed the render queue to "transparent" and that may have done the trick. but i'd still like to understand what's going on with this.
viral verge
in unity?
winged lintel
So, odd thing keeps happening on my end. Bake Runtine seems to fail. All the other steps seem fine. I am doing directional lighting settings though
lemme pull up the exact error
'Bake Runtime' job failed with error code: 8 ('Failed to create Runtime Lighting.').
warm niche
Hmm, have you cleared the cache recently? If so, be careful with clearing it, only clear it if you really have to..
keen ginkgo
Anyone know what causes the weird tilted pelvis ingame when standing still? I thought it might have had something to do with the angle of the hips bone to the spine not being 180 degrees but I have other models where its not 180 and doesnt do that
sterile cipher
Lift up your spine bone a little bit in Unity's rigging configuration. I believe it has something to do with a spine bone being too short.
keen ginkgo
Hmmmm is there anyway to tell if its still screwed besides logging into the game? Cause that's always a pain in the ass to do with dynamic bones and colliders LOL you get em looking really good in unity and you go ingame and they act all up
Btw love the tutorials, the best by far
sterile cipher
You can check Dynamic Bones and colliders by going into Play mode in Unity (press the Play button on the top) and swapping to the Scene view. You can move your model around and see how the dynamic bones move.
Make sure you go out of Play mode before you make changes.
keen ginkgo
Yeah see I'm aware of that
sterile cipher
and you're welcome, i'm glad they help
keen ginkgo
and I get them looking good in unity but they never act the same way as they do in unity ingame
sterile cipher
Play mode is as close as you're going to get sadly. There is no testing layer between "play" testing and actual upload.
keen ginkgo
Woooo how fun. So if I get them nearly perfect in unity and theyre fucked in game the easiest solution is probably to just make them move much much less in unity huh. I imagine thats the easiest way to go about it with out repeatedly logging in and out
sterile cipher
Yes
keen ginkgo
When you forget to translate a pmx in pmx editor, and have to set dynamic bones with them all in japanese and you do it successfully
wintry haven
^
keen ginkgo
It is such a pain in the ass to get dynamic bones in clothing looking right, after tons of tweaking they're always just too floaty in VRChat
The only think you can really get working with it is hair and breasts
warm niche
How do i do that MMD dancing that ppl do i have the dancing animation from mmd for them but idk how to apply them in unity or to make my model do them anyone know or does only like 5 ppl know and no ones telling anyone?
warm niche
no one okay ;w;
buoyant seal
I dont know but there's an animator in unity, try it out
humble tree
I came across a cool technique called "pack mapping" to save on needless texture filesize for pbr materials. Essentially, maps that only require greyscale such as heightmap, metallic, or ambient occlusion can be assigned to one RBBA channel of an image. Combining them in gimp/Photoshop is trivial, but I can't figure out how to only use one channel for these maps in unity (custom shaders?). Anyways, scroll down this page for some reading on the technique: https://www.jeremyromanowski.com/blog/2016/1/8/lets-get-physical-part-2-of-3
final wigeon
@humble tree Pretty sure custom shaders is the way to go for that.
humble tree
Dang, seemed like a pretty obvious win.
final wigeon
Although I just read through the article and unity's standard shader already supports some of that.
For anything more customizable you'd need to go the route of doing your own shaders.
brave robin
I do that for my mass effect models, making a custom shader for it would be pretty easy
harsh bay
One of the eyes on my character doesn't show up ingame. Not sure if it's offset somewhere or what it is. The other one is working and tracking. Anyone else had this problem before?
humble tree
I don't write code, but can some times copy/paste reverse engineer a shader. Would just have been much easier if I could specify a channel in the standard shader. @brave robin "oh that's easy" - you need a new catchphrase 😋 (I do have a working door now though, tnx 😀 )
brave robin
@humble tree I use shader forge, can't code very well myself
halcyon bolt
@brave robin Have you tried editing cubed shaders?
They won't open for me 😒
brave robin
Nope
lucid flax
cubed manually edited his main shader, which broke the shaderforge compatibility
humble tree
I was considering getting shader forge actually, but am debating how much I'd use it. Then again I never thought I'd be spending so much time working on world's. 😋
halcyon bolt
@lucid flax ah, I see.
Well, I wanted to have a look at the node graph to find out how he gets that "average lighting" (the color and intensity of the light, but not the shadows)
I guess I'll have to study the code, or ask him directly :c
lucid flax
i just copied the lighting from the rainbow shader
because that one works with shader forge iirc
halcyon bolt
Does that one have the same lighting?
I'll give it a try
lucid flax
the only thing you need should be a code block with a vector3 going into it
uses ShadeSH4 or something, cant remember exactly
velvet badger
Which type of broadcast type do you use for spawning new objects, so that only one would be spawned regardless of number of people in the room? Also it should be synced properly
autumn hatch
That would be dependant on your trigger setup, not broadcast type.
velvet badger
trigger is just on timer
autumn hatch
What are you trying to do exactly?
autumn hatch
I mean, practically how is it going to work?
velvet badger
on timer 30 > spawn object on prefab another trigger on timer destroy object
every 30 sec you get new prefab
and only 1 exists
autumn hatch
Still not sure how exactly you want it to work. What you're describing sounds like every 30th second a new object is just spawned?
autumn hatch
Guess just use the default broadcast type?
lime mango
Just a comment about the shader discussion above... I got into shaders writing them by hand because then Shaderforge cost $100. Then it dropped the price, went on sale, and I got it super cheap. I've used it alot since. As great as it is, it can't do everything. Now I'm finding I start a shader in Shaderforge then switch to editing it by hand to add all the features Shaderforge cant do.
Some really advanced shader techniques are "write by hand only"
marble root
is Shader Forge the standard for Unity pretty much? I need to finally upgrade my version of Unity so it isn't so bare bones, was was looking at Amplify or Forge. I'm used to UE3/UE4 material stuff.
lime mango
Shaderforge is cheaper since they reduced the price. It costs like $40, and I got it on sale for $27.
Ive heard Amplify is really good, from TCL
sterile cipher
Nice! Worth the price.
And yes, it is
Docs aren't as good but I like the UI more.
lime mango
I'd me mighty impressed if a program like Amplify allowed me to do ANYTHING I want, without having to finish it by hand
One thing I'm doing currently is using vertex ID's to lookup data from a texture, so I can do special things on a per-vertex basis. I've not found any way to access vertIDs in Forge
halcyon bolt
I guess you could always use vertex colors
runic mauve
i still need find good video info on shader forge
halcyon bolt
acegikmo (the creator) has a few ones, covering the basics (gradients, lerping...)
but the tool itself is pretty similar to others, like UE4's
you only have to learn the node's names
harsh nest
@lime mango you can use vertex UV or vertex color to access some pixel in textuture
sterile cipher
I want to try to replicate the Blender Render Normal projection shader in Unity. I wonder if there's shader code anywhere in the source...
halcyon bolt
@sterile cipher How does it work? I can't into Blender, but I have some experience with shaders
sterile cipher
I'm unsure. TCL and I were able to grok a little bit of how it works out of the blender documentation
halcyon bolt
No, I mean, what does it do? Do you have a picture or something?
keen ginkgo
Is there anyway to get around the VRChat DID removing custom scripts for animation like blinking and mouthmovement that's for a specific character or no?
SDK
Specifically a JS script
Id rather not do a blinking idle animation and mouth movement through the VRChat SDK and instead use the one that specifically comes for the model
rough sleet
No there is no way around it.
You could hard code it using animations but you can't use a script.
keen ginkgo
Ugh anyway to perhaps transfer the code and have it play through the SDK I'm a hardware guy and the knowledge I have of coding in especially is being able to read and understand what it does at best
Like if I have the JS script as an asset
Also anyone ever run into the issue where you import a MMD pmx file to blender and hit the typical shader settings you do but either have the model import ad a no texture purple rendering but when finished and exporting into unity that the textures don't apply to the materials for the model? Or sometimes even though the same thing happens in blender it sometimes doesn't have an issue at all when imported?
-I will note that the file textures do have those weird characters like when Windows can't figure out what the original text said whatever that's called? For both files that had the issue that was the case for their file names, could that have any bearing on the issue?
keen ginkgo
How the heck do I edit an animation I've already created? I can't figure it out for the life of me. I want to add more aspects to the animation
keen ginkgo
Duplicate what exactly? The Avatar that already has the animation applied to to it's animation component?
I just want to modify an anim I already created do add to it
@runic mauve
keen ginkgo
In unity
I want to edit this https://gyazo.com/0adf337a44578321c013fa560e7bab2c
I created that animations and wanted to add to it
animation*
runic mauve
you made dublicate when you make animation right?
or did it on main body
animation on avatar has to be done a duplicate model it just copy of your main
keen ginkgo
Yes I made a duplicate
keen ginkgo
I click on it in the heirarchy and then hit my animation tab but nothing is there, just says create
@runic mauve I want to edit this animation https://gyazo.com/5fba95662ee776612f7b59b62a2b6f6a See I have the original model and the duplicated I created the animation on, but when I go to the duplicate and I go to my animation tab I dont have an edit option
viral verge
Top is StandardAssetLUT And bottom is post processing stacks 😦 Anyone have anyideas how to fix?
viral verge
..........< getting close
warm niche
looking good
viral verge
^^
harsh bay
👌
harsh bay
I have no idea why, but only one of the eyes of my character is visible. I put on a seethrough shader on everything but the eyes, and the other eye doesn't even exist. Is this a problem connected to both eyes being merged to the body? Any help, thought or input would be greatly appriciated
viral verge
1 of two things, Normals facing the wrong way or polys that where hidden in blender covering thw eyes
It's 1 of them 2 for 60% of people, others deleted the eyes or Don't know how shaders work
harsh bay
it's not the shaders, as i tested with poly tool ingame, and they don't even show up
normals are good, with backface culling they can both be seen from the front
no hidden polys
maiden crescent
what scale of your model in Unity? Is model using only one Skinned Mesh Renderer?
harsh bay
appriciate it warpuppy, sent you the package
let me check desunyan
wait i don't know how to check that
could you elaborate? ^^
maiden crescent
hmm, one moment
scale sould be checked here AND when you expanding avatar gameobject in the Hierarchy you can find Body or Mesh or something like this
what scale this gameobjects using? should be always 1 1 1
If you see values like 100 100 100 this is incorrect
harsh bay
ah scale yea that's 1,1,1
what do you mean by skinned mesh render? how many meshes i have?
maiden crescent
Okay. Can you expand avatar gameobject in the hierarchy and send screenshot? Like this
harsh bay
maiden crescent
ok. 3 meshes it seems And Body/Hands/Hat have scale 1 1 1 too?
harsh bay
yea
maiden crescent
So, both eyes are visible in blender and one eye invisible in Unity?
harsh bay
this is what it looks like ingame btw
both are visible in unity as well, sorry for not pointing that out
it's when the eye tracking takes controll it dissapears
harsh bay
yea sorry for not pointing that out..
maiden crescent
try hitting Play in unity and pressing this small circle. Then select SimpleAvatarController, switch to the Scene view and check how your avatar looks
if eye disappears, it rigging issue.
harsh bay
they are there..
maiden crescent
is avatar's pose changed after you selected SimpleAvatarController? He should move a little
harsh bay
yea
maiden crescent
show how your eye bones looks in blender
harsh bay
might this be the problem? i didn't rig it in blender so it looks a little wonky
maiden crescent
YES
This is how eyebones should look. Bones must look up and Roll value must be 0
Enter Edit mode in blender and move eyebone tails to fix this.
harsh bay
well if the rotation is the problem, they should appear
maiden crescent
yes. VRChat enforces vertical eye bone position.
harsh bay
i could try splitting the eyes from the body, but then i can't have a blinking blendshape on them and it'll take a couple hours to redo all the blend shapes 😦
maiden crescent
Mm? you don't need to split anything. Just rotate bones in Edit mode
it won't move eye mesh
make sure you not in Pose mode
harsh bay
i ment a workaround, but i'll give the bones a try
viral verge
need to work out the problem before worrying about what it will take to fix 😛
Just rip it apart till you work it out
harsh bay
yea that's what i've been doing for the past 2 days, kinda gettings stressed out 😅
lusty flower
does someone here use shader forge ?
halcyon bolt
yup
lusty flower
nice i have a question i made shader that change the glow with a slider and i want the glow to go back and forth but how do i do that
halcyon bolt
like, bouncing from 0 to 1?
viral verge
sin wave would work
halcyon bolt
viral verge
lol just like that
lusty flower
i'll try that
ok think i did something wrong because the glow is here but nothing move or darken
(sorry i'm very new to shader forge i bought it just one hour ago so ^^')
i'm completely lost
and frustrated
ok now it's working nervermind
thx
harsh bay
Tried fixing the rotations of the eye joints in blender and that didn't work 😦
arctic zephyr
So, since no one seems to know in Avatar, I must ask here and I apologize since it's a simple issue.
My models viewpoint and control point is it's back.... The avatar descriptor is on the front. Everything appears to work fine
But in game I am rotated 180 degrees?
wild magnet
did you accidently rotate the avatar descriptor?
arctic zephyr
I didn't touch those settings, but if I can use them to fix this I will XD
Hmmm, how would I actually rotate the descriptor? I didn't realize that it had a front XD
wild magnet
well its the same concept as move it but at the top left hand corner you can change to a rotation tool
you wont really be able to see it spin because its a solid circle
but its worth a shot
harsh bay
is the whole character rotated, or some of it?
arctic zephyr
Best way I can show it is this photo XD
The viewpoint is faced backward completely
Also Karma. I can't select the descriptor without selecting the model. Or do you know of a way?
wild magnet
hmm something about this seems off
you have to select the model to show the desciptor