android-discussion

[worn drum]

A lot of other shit.. not so much

I have an s21 ultra sitting in a drawer as a dedicated DEX device because it's screen is demolished and replacements are not worth the cost xd

[proud creek]

I can't play it on my Pixel 7
But it does work on my old Oneplus 7 Pro

[worn drum]

2 questions, are rooted and are on latest system update?

[proud creek]

Im not rooted and im up to date

On Pixel the app restarts when it tries to rotate

Ive already submitted feedback on the website

[worn drum]

Very weird, not impossible that it's a bug specific to device though

just to double check, you've tried both reinstalling and rebooting yes?

[proud creek]

I rebooted but I havent reinstalled yet, ill try

[shut ocean]

happens on the S22Ultra presently, dosen't seem too likely that a reinstall would fix though. worth a shot.

[lilac delta]

pixel 7a, it opens an empty hub and when i open the game i'm stuck on the loading screen, also still have the big where the game restarts when i rotate in landscape

[proud creek]

I just reinstalled it, no difference

[wheat crest]

60 is as high as it'll go

[shut ocean]

yeah, can confirm. reinstallation did not help.

[worn drum]

So weird of a bug unless it's android version specific then, or if an external app is messing with shit

[shut ocean]

can try on my Tab S7, though last time i've tried it wouldn't rotate without restarting.

that was before this recent patch.

[proud creek]

It might be related to android version
My Oneplus 7 Pro is stuck on android 11

[fluid pewter]

Bruh. What is the point of playing Mobile VRChat if I can't see any avatars? The game straight up considers the majority of avatars I have seen so far to be Very Poor. Even the lightest avatars known to man. Like, why am I not allowed to just see all avatars and remove the Very Poor and Download size limits? It's ridiculous, especially when my phone is easily pushing 100 FPS. Like, I'd rather play with 30FPS but all/most avatars enabled, than 100FPS and see some crappy fallback avatars that are not representative of what the player is using.

[shut ocean]

S22 Ultra is on Android 14 presently.

[worn drum]

kernel ver?

[proud creek]

cough 60fps cap cough

[fluid pewter]

Is it?

[proud creek]

Yeah..?

turn on your fps/ping debug

[shut ocean]

did they do it? i was running 120FPS when opening my home world a few minutes ago with defaults.

[worn drum]

^

[proud creek]

???

huh ok

[worn drum]

Wha phone you using? i forgor

[fluid pewter]

I can't send a screenshot, but I'm easily at my max FPS of 120 right now.

[proud creek]

I have a Pixel 7 that crashes on rotation
And a Oneplus 7 Pro with no issues so far

[fluid pewter]

I just checked

[naive bluff]

Doesn't Pixel kinda suck?

[proud creek]

If only it had a good SD processor

[worn drum]

I wonder if the the game just doesn't properly see 90hz

[proud creek]

What are you getting that number from though?

[worn drum]

aside from thermal issues, it's pretty good

newest beta also contains funny gpu driver updates that increase performance a lot

[proud creek]

When I uncap the framerate it goes down to 30fps
Capping it goes back up to 60

[shut ocean]

Tab S7 (6GB/128GB, OneUI 5.1.1/Android 13) doesn't crash on rotation anymore. interesting.

[remote temple]

Game is being a bit too silly

[worn drum]

did you change the slider

o wait brain not work

[remote temple]

so I had to get up to my PC beau cause all of my frns thought I'm weird

epic fail

[worn drum]

double check the kernel version of your s23, i wonder if you're on a slightly different kernel

same for you too especially spark, because on another pixel device (settings > about phone > andriod version > kernel version)

[proud creek]

Kernel Version 5.10.157

[shut ocean]

interesting, so android versioning. before the OneUI 6/Android 14 upgrade i was on 4.19, now on 5.10. Tab S7 i think still has one more OS upgrade, but haven't seen any signs just yet.

[worn drum]

Nvm i'm absolutely flabbergasted

we are on the exact same kernel

if i didnt' have sickness brain fog and have actually gotten sleep, i'd have probably figured it out by now

nah i doubt its that

lemme try something

[shut ocean]

likely beta kernel vs live kernel? i know some of the 6a/7 pixel devices had a batch or two that recently got marked with beta changes, though unsure if they'd retain the same version number.

[worn drum]

i still haven't taken the december update so it could very possible be caused by something in that, wouldn't explain your scenario though (unless you've also had an android update this month already)

[stiff ibex]

Hi

[worn drum]

I might do it once i take a nap, need to manually patch the images with magisk to retain root which is a bit much for me rn xd

too eepy

[worn drum]

[kindred haven]

its a new phone too I just got the bad version of it

real</3

[stiff ibex]

is this a chat for communication?, I just want to write a problem. 👉👈

[dark path]

anyone haveing trouble with the app under miui 14. if I just press play without a world I'm stuck in the load screen void....

and when I do get ingame im stuck in portrait

[stray ferry]

o I keep getting a pop up saying I can't become said avatar vc of the performance rating...is there a way to bypass this?

[dark path]

ah, if I go off the app and back, the conection error gets me out the void

[worn drum]

for smth like that probably go to #vrchat-general-1 or #general-media

[dark path]

nope, very poor isnt supported on mobile

[nova ravine]

So if your Avatar was built for PC and headset will it specifically work on normal Android as well?

[stray ferry]

Huh?

[worn drum]

Android version of game is the exact same as the quest version, the only limitation is very poor avatars will not work

[dark path]

if your avi was made with quest limitations in mind, you can use it on mobile.
if the avi is rated verry poor rank according to quest it wont work on mobile

[worn drum]

(keep in mind, in the creator documentation it is stated that very poor may end up getting removed from quest in the future as well, so yeah)

[stiff ibex]

Wait 1 I only have 1 question about the time of the VRchat mobile

[worn drum]

Does your phone have at least 6gb of ram?

[tidal shard]

big yikes

[worn drum]

F

[dry seal]

Can anyone tell me if there are avatar maps for mobile?

[worn drum]

Android/mobile version is the exact same as quest, so yes

[dry seal]

Thanks

[dark path]

waydroid makes sense, the other 2 are probably just blocked cus mali GPU

[worn drum]

install via aurora (open-source play store frontend) if you wish to go that route, so that it actualy installs properly

downoads directly from google api as well

[tidal shard]

the thing is that the xiaomi one, has a SD 750g, adreno 619
But I have it with a rom, I imagine that's the issue, but it's the first time that it doesn't let me download it regardless

[worn drum]

it's very nice

[proud creek]

Don't you need to download aurora from F-Droid

also it still checks for compatibility?

[worn drum]

auroraoss.com

[proud creek]

ah

[worn drum]

not org

brain died

man i needa get some eep

yeh

once they are installed they should be able to update via play store as well

aurora tends to be able to pull updates faster than play store itself though, so it's nice to keep around

[pearl mulch]

Yes all quest maps load on the Android version of vrchat but with the caveat that you cannot load very poor avatars

[worn drum]

Woah cute pfp

[nova ravine]

So I found a small bug, it does not like being minimized

[ivory elm]

btw, loading in on some phones will have the game stuck in portrait mode. you can use an app like Rotation Control to fix it
also, you may get an infinite loading screen if you dont select a map (or have a homeworld set to a pc only world i think?). you can just open a world with 0 players, then go home to fix it

you can only change mirror resolution and avatar limits for now. very poor avatars will always be blocked

yeah, you should use an avatar with impostors or a medium rating idealy

[pearl mulch]

glad you like my picture

[quiet anchor]

Hay so on vrchat mobile how do I see my own avatar like if I wanted to be a joker avatar ? How do I see it because all I see is a default avatar?

[worn drum]

avatar you are in is very likely either very poor or pc only

[quiet anchor]

What if it's both quest and pc?

[worn drum]

the quest version is likely very poor rated then xd

keep in mind that the quest version is likely to also going to lose the functionality soon https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system#quest-limits

mmm i'm speaking perfect engrish right now, sleep time gn cuties

[wind dock]

i find it crazy how apparently one of my devices is unsupported, however sideloading the APK works just fine

it runs perfectly fine too

[worn drum]

I mean android really do just be that way

Play store also isn't exactly perfect in how it detects shit

[wind dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167744163484274700/1182799422065758239/170207175621505924.mp4?ex=658602cd&is=65738dcd&hm=c9d22529069d7847556db53fd1a846505181903b3bec252db442bff7528d29fe&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167744163484274700/1182800290542526525/170207196321713446.mp4?ex=6586039c&is=65738e9c&hm=28f3f7eaad4f784f0ca65d37f48d399f9d7f955419fde5e2180b42c9e88f88d0&

i should mention that this is a Samsung Tab A8

[worn drum]

based dex user

[wind dock]

i do wanna bring this up however incase this is a vulnerability of some sort to the team just incase this raises some concerns

[wind dock]

??

[worn drum]

dex is poggers

[wind dock]

what is dex (i promise im not slow)

[worn drum]

samsung dex, the desktop UI xD

[wind dock]

OHHH

no no, i'm not using that, i'm using something called scrcpy to screenshare

[worn drum]

well ye, the tab 8 uses dex mode as it's default UI xd

[wind dock]

kinda stupid

[worn drum]

no i

[wind dock]

i personally don't care for the UI on samsung tablets

on their phones however? yes

[worn drum]

litrally the only thing i like about samsung devices, is their UI

[lyric prism]

its like u can connect to monitor and u have a " pc " its kinda cool ngl

[worn drum]

^^ all their newer phones (s10 and above i think?) support dex by default, just connect to a dock + display, enable dex, and you've got yourslef a portable chromebook essentially

[wind dock]

guess thats cool

[lyric prism]

from s8 :)

and from note 8

[worn drum]

sheeeeesh further back than i thought

[lyric prism]

:D

indeedd

[wind dock]

i wanna try installing the app on "unsupported" devices, i'm honestly surpised the tab isn't supported

whats the requirements for the android app again?

[worn drum]

basically just 6gb ram and a recent SOC

[naive bluff]

Android 10*

[lyric prism]

I'm currently on s10

[worn drum]

o ye forgor about that

[wind dock]

ok so the android version i obviously have https://chierion.top/images/scrcpy_CmFL4MAmI7.png

[worn drum]

god i should actually do ths

[wind dock]

ah, thats why its not supported

https://chierion.top/images/scrcpy_NdBm7y5qms.png this thing only has 3GB of ram

[worn drum]

[wind dock]

i mean it ran fairly decent for 3GB of ram in the home world

[ivory elm]

i did not realize just how strictly optimized quest avatars are until two avatars from my optimized list were usable

[proud creek]

please

[wind dock]

and it works just fine for you?

[ivory elm]

curious if you could go into public lobbies

[wind dock]

let me try

[worn drum]

Ye a lot of quest content creators don't give a fuck and just slap upload regardless of performance complaints from sdk

[proud creek]

VRChat on this

[worn drum]

god seeing that navbar brings back memories

[ivory elm]

thankfully i have imposter versions of my uploads but only one model ive uploaded has a quest avatar that works at medium 😭

[worn drum]

Felt that, i only have one avatar of my own that is actually optimized xd

[ivory elm]

i would love to learn how to decimate better but all my attempts have ended in 2 hours of suffering and a half broken model so, maybe soon

[proud creek]

I have doubts but uhh

Its an emulator box but with a very stripped out version of android

[worn drum]

chances are it won't even let you install the app, android version requirements and shii

[ivory elm]

yeah that could fit maybe two pc avatars

[worn drum]

it could load chrome

that's it, just chrome

[wind dock]

nope... its fairly unstable

the entire tablet crashed after i stopped recording lmao

[proud creek]

lol

[wind dock]

who

[ivory elm]

probably filled on ram just loading the first few avatars poor thing

[proud creek]

I have a random Samsung A02s running OneUI CORE 4.1 Android 12
But it only has 2gb of ram 💀

[wind dock]

probably... should i mention that i already used a tool to remove some bloat from the firmware? lol

just imagine if i didn't do that

[worn drum]

mmmm we love samsung bloat

[ivory elm]

samsung idling at 4gb of ram usage ❤️

[wind dock]

so am i like the only one so far whos sideloaded the vrc app to an unsupported device?

[ivory elm]

it still loads previews of very poor avatars, wonder if i can get it to load something with insane vram amounts 😼

[worn drum]

Ive done it on a nintendo switch, galaxy s3, and xiaomi mi 8 lite

[wind dock]

has anyone done it on a chromebook yet? lol

[proud creek]

Oh no...

[ivory elm]

wait switchroot can run this??

[worn drum]

if you consider 5 frames "run", ye xD

[ivory elm]

insaane

[ivory elm]

quest 1 users jealous

[worn drum]

TRUE

[wind dock]

REAL

[worn drum]

Ive tried it on a few custom distros with android app support, none of which worked (probably gpu driver related), don't have an actual chromebook to test with tho

[wind dock]

i used to have one

[ivory elm]

fps isnt pinned, but s20 FE, no avatars on screen, in a small world, running 60fps just fine. i loaded a very poor avatar in the menu to see if it would drop any but it stayed 60, so it could work fine in a small public lobby im sure

also, it loads my imposter as my avatar, which is pretty helpful

[wind dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/772787086905442305.webp?size=48&name=shrug&quality=lossless

[ivory elm]

i wish you good luck

[wind dock]

for what lol

[fluid pewter]

Careful with the Alpha Build disclaimer in the top-right corner of the screen. It will burn in if you play the game for too long uninterupted.

[ivory elm]

shove a youtube video in the corner :dummy:

[wind dock]

ok i see why you said good luck, it's refusing to open 🔥

[ivory elm]

everyone is now working on getting this running on as many stupid devices as possible and im ALL for it

[wind dock]

we need it running a fridge

hell even a tesla

[proud creek]

I mean the tesla has steam you can just run games on it using proton

[ivory elm]

annoying how it wont let me click a very poor avatar, despite working with the impostor version

however, just select another avatar, click use avatar, then instantly switch to the very poor you want to equip and use it

[naive bluff]

👀

[wind dock]

this is about the closest i've gotten to an active UI on WSA https://chierion.top/images/WsaClient_VwZj5yETNL.png

[fluid pewter]

wait, what do you mean by this?

[wheat crest]

You'd have to play for years lol

Modern OLEDs don't burn in like the early ones

They still do but much much much slower

[fluid pewter]

erm... mine had a burn-in just now after only about 2 hours of playing. sure, it's only a faint trace, but after a few days of playing it could worsen

[wheat crest]

What device do you have

[fluid pewter]

Z Fold 4

[ivory elm]

you can force your game to use a very poor avatar, which will show up as a fallback on your screen, if you select it from the website or by doing a glitch in the game as i described

[wheat crest]

If you have a cheap device it'll probably have a garbage screen and thus bad burn in

[unkempt nimbus]

despair

[wheat crest]

Huh, ok. Tbf, that's probably not a burn in, just ghosting

[fluid pewter]

oh i tried to do the glitch you mentioned and it didnt work for me.

[wheat crest]

It'll go away after a bit, unless you were one of the many who got defective screens on the Z series

[fluid pewter]

ibhave no idea

[wheat crest]

Lots of them have poor quality oleds

But chances are that'll fade

[fluid pewter]

RIP

[wheat crest]

A burn in is permanent

Also of note, burn in is worse the hotter the screen itself is

So if your device is running hot you'll burn in much faster

[ivory elm]

it no longer works for me either

vrchat devs watching and patching the glitches as i say them to make me seem insane

[fluid pewter]

which is the case, since the game is running.

[fluid pewter]

schizo

xD

[lyric prism]

vrchat is so cool on mobile 🥹

[wind dock]

sucks sadly

even the oldest beta release doesn't work on WSA

[lyric prism]

wait

[wind dock]

worth a shot i guess https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/772787086905442305.webp?size=48&name=shrug&quality=lossless

[ivory elm]

fallback only ❤️

[lone violet]

If you switch to an avatar using the avatars wing, it works even if the avatars menu doesn't allow it. As expected, the actual avatar doesn't show, but the fallback (or imposter if it has one) does. However, the imposter stops showing after a world join, instead showing your normal fallback.

[ivory elm]

shhh

[vale edge]

Still can't wear avatars with impostors Lmao, man I was looking forward to actually trying my impostors. Oh well

[ivory elm]

you can with what seercat just said, and im actually wearing them rn, lol

[vale edge]

I'm well aware

I would have figured it be natively allowed

[lyric prism]

aah true true

[lone violet]

I'm assuming that the switching back to normal fallback is a bug, or at least it should be considered one.

[ivory elm]

its really inconsistent. just like switching to an avatar with impostors on pc

[wind dock]

anyone got a google pixel? https://chierion.top/images/firefox_BzyO3jGubz.png

[lone violet]

working for me on pixel 7

[wind dock]

emulators might not work then

[lone violet]

I think that's what other people have found too

[wind dock]

i mean thats good though

[lone violet]

Too much 3d acceleration, I'd assume

[wind dock]

well i'm surprised WSA didn't work

i specifically told it to use my GPU which can handle VRC

[ivory elm]

just the two of us, we can make it if we try

using my alt to test avatars is a good use but not being able to force very poor avatars (on yourself) is a bit cruel for the reason im wanting vrchat mobile

now i will join a 28 player lobby and see how long 6gb of ram can last
edit: 45fps, s20fe, no low memory

[naive bluff]

Seems about right.

[last glade]

My phone meets the requirements and worked just fine before.

[wind dock]

if you have a PC, you can sideload the APK

[fluid pewter]

whats the point? the game is to play on the go.

[wind dock]

ok... that doesn't mean that you need the PC all the time... it's a one time thing.. lol

[fluid pewter]

oh, so it's a way to get the game installed without being allowed to

[ivory elm]

you only need it to force it to download, using android debugging

[naive bluff]

inb4 you get low memory errors.

[hybrid tendon]

Wow not bad for a alpha beta... This is good going and I gave feedback on play store. But this is impressive.

[grim night]

What?

[ivory elm]

yeah

[ivory elm]

usually blocked 4 a reason after all

[last glade]

I mean yeah, I can do that. However, it is kinda inconvienent as I'll have to do it every time it updates. I've done more clunky stuff in the past, but this in particular infuriates me because my phone is 'supported' by the requirements set, it even worked previously. Now it suddenly no longer works for whatever reason.

[ivory elm]

honestly with the very poor change, fixing models to have good mobile versions is going to be really challenging. i wish they bumped all the performance ratings up at least a few %, just for some more room. but i guess now with mobile, ill start learning how to decimate ❤️

[ivory elm]

honestly even better, on my christmas list is a tier above very poor for insanely unoptimized avatars. that would be really nice for the avatars just over the limit...

[placid ravine]

if you join different instances of a world from your pc and phone you can play with different people at the same time from the 2 platforms on the same account

also i was able to open doors and vents on the black cat from my phone without the premium stuff

[keen storm]

Yes I have a Pixel 8 Pro and I'm having similar issues. Haven't gotten this month's system OTA update yet though, it has a new GPU driver for all pixels 6 and above I think.

[pure rune]

A Moto g 5G Android phone isn't compatible with it? O_o

[fallow lion]

Bro it lags on my phone

[lyric prism]

try lowering ur settings :)

[ivory elm]

left feedback on google playstore lets see that response soon 😼

[nova ravine]

It's def still buggy on my end. Any time I try to open any other app it crashes and it has to be reset.

[nova ravine]

but have you fully tested? I've tested it on DEX mode but not Bluestacks and I can tell you from it that it doesn't work with mouse and keyboard or a controller. Which would be nice to have

[wind dock]

i have just a little bit

going into the home world by yourself is around 26fps, going into a public black cat almost loaded but the tablet ended up crashing

[nova ravine]

My Overview for the S9+
Pros:
Does great on mobile
Hear everyone clearly, no problem.
Worlds/avatars load fine, for the most part
Doesn't already have worlds preloaded (but to some people this may be an annoyance)

Cons:
Takes a good amount of time to load avatars/worlds
Crashes if you minimize it for any reason

---

If I come up with anything else I'll post it

[drowsy mantle]

If you're already in a discord call vrchat takes priority of your mic and then discord can't hear you anymore

[nova ravine]

sounds annoying

[worn drum]

^ same goes for if you're listening to music/playing (pausable) audio, it'll constantly try to pause it which is very annoying

[nova ravine]

WELL if you have what I have setup it's in the settings you can change the volume of everything separately.

[south sparrow]

Uhhh

How do I go into landscape?

[worn drum]

Auto rotate or on newer android versions, hitting the rotate icon at the bottom of screen when phone sideways

[nova ravine]

that or make sure you have it turned on in the settings. What android?

BTW Do we know when Apple is getting it?

[worn drum]

Volumes don't help much when vrchat is constantly telling it to pause

[south sparrow]

The icon isn't showing up ;-;, and I have auto rotate on

[nova ravine]

odd

[south sparrow]

Pixel 6a, android 14

[nova ravine]

🤔

not honestly sure, if you have/had a samsung phone I could help.

[south sparrow]

Samsung's are bad imo X)

[nova ravine]

You haven't used the good ones. Most people use the shitty A series is why

[south sparrow]

But that's for my purposes

Nah Samsung's good ones are shit for me toi

I do rooting and development, Samsung is horrid for that

[worn drum]

^^ same

[nova ravine]

The S series is what you want. I still have an S9+ and I DO need an upgrade badly but I may end up running this phone into the ground. The battery is slowly going finally :(

[worn drum]

Samsung devices are extremely locked down, and knox is a royal pain in the ass to deal with on top of it if even if you waste the money on an unlockable exynos device

[nova ravine]

How so? I've never had any issues.

[worn drum]

You can't even bootloader unlock

[nova ravine]

Prolly cause I don't know what that is. I've heard but don't know anything about it. I dont do anything overly technical. Plus, I like Dex mode.

[worn drum]

Ye you're entirely not going to understand it then

Tldr is dev/tinkerer shit

[nova ravine]

ah

Nah, I do have dev mode on for some things but that's about it. I don't plan on doing anything technical I guess. But I do sometimes side load shit.

[worn drum]

Snapdragon Samsung devices are literally untouchable, exynos Samsung devices are untouchable for the vast majority other than a very limited amount of models that allow bootloader unlocking (in which where if you do unlock, knox becomes the most annoying thing you'll have to deal with on a daily basis)

[nova ravine]

Ah ok.

[worn drum]

Root allows you to to do way more than what any regular dev mode does, even going to the point of installing an entirely different OS if you desire

[nova ravine]

True

I always wanted to try that on another shit phone. I wanted to see Ubuntu Phones do more but bummer.

I don't dev anything but I know things here and there, I understand most of it I just don't have any patience or desire to dev shit.

[worn drum]

Bootloader unlocking is also a core piece in having projects like lineage even be able to work, allows devices to be used MUCH after their official discontinue date

[worn drum]

I still have Ubuntu mobile installed on my OnePlus 5t, not worth it xd

[nova ravine]

welp. Damn.

I love installing silly unix/Linux OS' in Vbox for fun sometimes.

I really wanted to get android OS to work but never could figure it out

[worn drum]

For the purposes of installing in a VM (x86), you'd need something pre built like the Android x86 project unless you wanted to modify and compile android from source on your own

Not for the faint of heart xd

[nova ravine]

I've gotten it once

[split nymph]

Dude!!!
It's finally open!!

The open beta is out!!!

[nova ravine]

How did you get the BETA to open up :^)

[wind dock]

depends on what device

my samsung tablet has the bootloader unlocked

[stray ferry]

How can I use full body tracking and play vr chat both on my phone

[naive bluff]

You........ can't?

FBT requires a PC.

[pearl mulch]

not actually a requirement for stuff that's not Vive trackers https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/osc-trackers

[naive bluff]

Oh, well.

[pearl mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JqEJ17ul9k

[sterile plume]

you cant use osc trackers with the android beta or desktop mode. you need a quest, pico, xr elite, etc or a pcvr headset to use fbt

[warm laurel]

hey, what does the "Show Seconday UI" option do? I don't see any additional UI with it turned on.

[split nymph]

Yo,
I tried to upload a video here to the server and it went to my dms

Anyone else having that issue?

[naive bluff]

Wut

[nova ravine]

Is it hard to take a current world from PC only and convert it to android as well?

[hybrid tendon]

I'd imagine it to pretty much follow the same limitation applied to Quest avatars

And there's a Unity tool for that called EasyQuestSwitch

[nova ravine]

I hope someone does that for a lot of worlds, I want someone to take the waffle house on the moon and make it quest/android compatible so I can be at Waffle House on the moon when I'm at work if I have to do background work. LMAO

we should start saying Quandroid

[half tapir]

Actually it's different

Doesn't have any hard limits other than download size and what the hardware would be capable of

Doing worlds is probably much easier than avatars with all the limitations

[warm laurel]

I mean, I'd assume anyone wanting to develop worlds for Android would want to target Quest.

[half tapir]

Yes, but still no artifical limits

[warm laurel]

Btw, would an iOS version as mentioned in #android-announcements require content to be made for iOS as well?

If so, I'm good. 💀

[half tapir]

On worlds you can also use any shader you want for example

Gotta be careful though. As it's easy to hit incompatibility with hardware

[warm laurel]

Speaking of #android-announcements, that channel needs to be updated. It still says it requires VRC+.

[half tapir]

On unity 2018 Audiolink caused quest to simply crash for example. Since 2019 it's fine

[half tapir]

From what i know yes.

Unity specifically has a ios build support

[warm laurel]

💀

Man, I don't wanna update my stuff to work on iOS. At least for Quest I can now just test on my phone or download an Android emulator.

For iOS, the only option is to have an iPhone (or iPad I guess).

[half tapir]

Unless vrchat finds a way to make it work somehow without needing to upload for an entirely new platform i would say it's a waste of time trying to go for ios

Since ios will be fallback chat

[warm laurel]

Yeah. iPhone sucks for development, since you need a Mac.

[warm laurel]

wait wouldn't fallbacks need to be updated too? 💀

[half tapir]

I would simply not bother. Already updating my avatar for both Android and pc takes ages

[half tapir]

Well i guess impostors by that time would fully exist

[warm laurel]

oh boy

[brave bobcat]

Good morning, why do I see some Halloween skins on my VRChat mobile instead of my real skin? I'm using compatible skins for Quest 2 and my cell phone is Moto G 5G (8GB RAM)

[naive bluff]

Is your avi Very Poor?

[brave bobcat]

I don't know how to see this :/

[naive bluff]

Open up the avatar menu.

[brave bobcat]

oh I see

it's poor

Thanks

[hybrid tendon]

Oh ok

[split nymph]

The avatars that works for me is the "Poor,Medium, or Excellent" rating avatars for the mobile.

Wish vrchat could let us use the very poor rating ones for the mobile but sadly,
No.

I wanted MLP avis but there's none that actually works

[fierce walrus]

How to fix "Loading your world!" Stuck?

[tacit cosmos]

I Still can't log in even though I swear I'm putting everything in right.

[stiff ibex]

Why can't I download VR chat to my phone?

[pearl mulch]

does your phone meet the system requirements

[split nymph]

It probably doesn't

[nova ravine]

did you get it from the play store or apk download?

[split nymph]

He probably got the apk

[fierce walrus]

My phone are compatible with the game but when i open the game and join a world it's just stuck with the "Loading your world!" How to fix this?

[gilded cipher]

Sadly i can't get any other avatar or maybe rarely it work its sad

I wanted to play with dust sans skin but i can't

[ivory elm]

explanation for this again

Very Poor avatars or PC only avatars will not be allowed to be selected on Android, just like how on quest, you already have to manual show very poor avatars. this is because most bad performance comes from these unoptimized avatars. even if they did allow them, the game would struggle with the low amount of memory most phones have.

theres no way to bypass this

(i would not expect very poor avatars to last much longer, given the new Impostors feature and the warning on the VRChat documentation)

[amber crater]

🤡

[worn drum]

Just because it installs and runs does not mean it will be a great experience

Mimimum requirements exist for a reason

[amber crater]

it opens and run well

on my phone at least.

[amber crater]

this also depends on the size of the maps.

[amber crater]

it should be 4gb

my phone's GPU didnt like this map

I thought this game would perform worse on my device.

[worn drum]

You say that now until you start having very consistent crashes and other misc issues when in publics, the ram limitation is very likely the reason why they finally discontinued vrchat on the OG quest

[orchid owl]

Yay its finally free!!

[zinc sapphire]

why is this a beta

it also doesnt say beta in app despite it being latest

not very poggers champ

[brave bobcat]

Is there another way to download VRChat for 4GB cell phones, with the exception of the Play Store?

[amber crater]

we'll see that soon

[proud creek]

Wonder if this changes anything

[maiden socket]

Strasz say's that the vrchat mobile is now free for everyone
which means that we don't have to have vrchat+ subscription
but in my case I'm not able to test it out
it always give me two options
you're already registered interest in vrchat mobile:

1. already registered and 2. VRChat Plus

my app build number is:
1335

do i have to download and install another newer version of vrchat mobile
or app will update by itself?

any help will be apriciated
thanks in advance

btw my phone didn't discover an update for the vrchat mobile app
do i have to download manualy

[proud creek]

Latest build is 1390 your app isn't up to date

[maiden socket]

ok

[proud creek]

Its not showing up for updates?

[maiden socket]

no it doesn't

[proud creek]

And you checked the playstore

[maiden socket]

no i didn't
i tought that my phone will automatically discover updates for that app
and i almost forgot i don't leave my account open at google play store all the time

[proud creek]

It won't update if you aren't signed into Google

[maiden socket]

ok got it
ty

[proud creek]

You need to log in and check for update through the playstore it wont update by itself

Mine doesn't automatically update either

[maiden socket]

ah this is so stupid i totally forget about it
soory to bother
and ty anyway 👍

[grizzled olive]

I think I'm experiencing a bug in the android beta. Every time I try to use Bluetooth headphones, it works for about 5 minutes, but then everything goes silent afterwards

Anyone know if this is a bug? Or am I doing something wrong

[maiden socket]

forgive me if i will tell you an option under different name
i didn't poke with my phone options almost 2 years

but you could try to look and disable sound normalizer or echo cancelation idk

maybe that will help

[ivory elm]

hot take, it shouldnt, game is a miracle running on a 6gb Samsung phone as is

[pure rune]

[boreal ermine]

My issue is fixed now due to the new update 😄

[amber wolf]

found a bug. sound is turning off after like 10 minutes.

[fiery linden]

they shouldve made it so that for very poor avis on android, you'd have to like go to a special setting to enable that, but it'd ask if you were sure saying it would mess up ur vram

instead of just blocking it completely, it's good for performance

and it makes it easier for people to test out their android versions of avis instead of getting a whole quest to do that

[pearl mulch]

The Google Play store and the Apple store are much more likely to delist applications from terrible performance

[fluid pewter]

10000000%

[fiery linden]

that's why it should be a special setting for people who really want to, not something that should show immediately

[fluid pewter]

+1

[pearl mulch]

That would still potentially break the rules of the platform holders

[fiery linden]

it's the users decision that he enables them

if he doesn't want to he wont do it

[pearl mulch]

Folks will get socially pressured into turning on all the very poor avatars like they are on quest

[fluid pewter]

so? thats on them

[fiery linden]

socially pressuring, that's the user's fault for even trying it (basically wee_man is saying)

if the pressuring gets annoying then they can be blocked after all

or muted if they wanted to go easy

[proud creek]

💀

[fluid pewter]

i was saying this in the other channel. let me decide if i want my device to explode from being overloaded. don't artificially lock it away from me and give me less options

[fiery linden]

yeah, just saw it earlier

[fiery linden]

didn't even know someone else was mentioning it

[pearl mulch]

They're not going to change their mind on that

[fluid pewter]

game was already crap, just getting worse by the day

[naive bluff]

How so? 👀

[fluid pewter]

i'd rather not say. might get nuked

[proud creek]

Cant see very poor avatars

gee I wonder

Also I don't really care about much of the changes they've done I just mostly care about hanging out with other people

Avatars don't matter to me I mostly see people as fallbacks on publics

[fluid pewter]

might as well hop on discord then... or maybe skype is fine ffor you

[fiery linden]

well, i mean it is in the name, vrchat

chatting wit other people in vr

[maiden socket]

my personal opinion for vrchat mobile is very good

but what i don't like is that i have to press and hold mic button every time i talk
it will be better if we have ability to toggle our mic on/off

and other thing what i dont like is when i unmute my mic
i'm not able to hear my friends talking to me

and lastly
when i want to interact with qmenu
i have to top many x on some buttons to be activated

[fluid pewter]

use headphones. if you have headphones plugged iunto your phone, then thew volume will not be lowered

[proud creek]

You find more people in vrchat to talk with also theres no spacialized audio in a voicechat its all in mono and it can get really hectic with a bunch of people talking at once

Its not good

You can easily talk over a bunch of people when your trying to talk to one person or a group while the others are doing their own thing

[fluid pewter]

👍

[proud creek]

also immersion???

[fluid pewter]

you're the one to talk. the man who wants to look at hotdogs, bananas, and robots all day, yep

[proud creek]

Yea im fine with it

[pearl mulch]

Also there's the imposter system

[fluid pewter]

where? :modcheck:

[proud creek]

If I get into a convo with someone I will show them, if they have an imcompatible avatar they will likely have something that works with quest in their favorites

[pearl mulch]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-impostors/

[fluid pewter]

i know what they are. tell me one avatar that uses this? i havent seen one yet

[naive bluff]

These are generated by the users.

[light smelt]

I have seen one about an hour ago

[fluid pewter]

quest yes. mobile, no. i was playing vrchat yesterday on mobile for 5 hours and saw a grand total of like 10 avatars that were able to be seen on mobile

[fluid pewter]

👍

[naive bluff]

I seen one yesterday at the meetup. Instead of showing fallback, I seen the person's imposter.

[pearl mulch]

They have to be manually generated so that's not surprising you haven't bumped into any imposters

[fluid pewter]

and you really think people are doing this?

[proud creek]

You can see if your avatar has their imposter generated by its creator

[naive bluff]

Yes, actually.

[pearl mulch]

Yes I've seen a decent amount of imposters myself

[naive bluff]

So much so that the servers were getting overloaded.

[fluid pewter]

one or two is not a lot smh

[pearl mulch]

There's a lot more than just two of them

[fluid pewter]

okay fine i admit i was wrong. there are three

[proud creek]

They did add a limit of how many you can generate per day

[naive bluff]

Fun fact: you cannot make an imposter of someone else's avatar. Only avatars YOU upload.

[pearl mulch]

So people who just wear very poor public avatars are unlikely to have imposters at the moment

[proud creek]

Fallbacks!

[pearl mulch]

Now that I think about it all the imposters I've seen have been people's fursona models

[fluid pewter]

therefore you need to rely on creators to make impostors. now, if the feature had been out for years, most vatars would have impostors by now. but since the feature is new, there are barely any

[naive bluff]

And...?

[light smelt]

impostors are to be auto generated at a later stage

[proud creek]

Gee they are really trying hard to bring back very poor avatars

[fluid pewter]

massive W

[fluid pewter]

yeah. 💪 strong power.

[proud creek]

Ive downloaded 1 gb avatar once
video memory go brr

[amber crater]

VRAM goes bye bye

like my poor Mali G57 MC1 clocked at 650MHz

[fluid pewter]

download more vram EZ Clap

[amber crater]

No, you can just download more RAM.

[amber crater]

funny thing you can use a part of RAM memory as shared video memory.

[fluid pewter]

nowaying

[amber crater]

whyn't

[proud creek]

Handheld pc do that

[amber crater]

refuted

[proud creek]

But yea in a random public with "Normal" Safety I would only get 30-45 fps

[fluid pewter]

🐈‍⬛

[brave bobcat]

Any recommendations for a world with cool VRChat skins that is visible on mobile?

[fluid pewter]

non-existent

[fluid isle]

How do you view your own worlds on the Android app? When I view my own profile, it shows me my favourite worlds, not my own uploads

[fluid isle]

Also, how do you make a new instance?

[naive bluff]

Are your worlds Quest-compatible?

[fluid isle]

no, but I can view other non-quest-compatible worlds in the UI

(I'm about to test a quest-compatible version soon, but I was just glancing through the UI first)

[naive bluff]

👀

[lapis briar]

How come the vrc mobile home page is just a blank white page?

[fluid isle]

anyway yeah I've now uploaded a quest compatible world and it still isn't showing up; only my favourites show up

[lapis briar]

It's like this after being fully loaded too, I just reloaded the app

[brittle cypress]

This is a bug! It apparently happens when you have your home world set as PC only from what I've been told. We'll be looking into fixing it once the team is back from break!

[lapis briar]

Oh yes my homeworld is indeed pc only

[brittle latch]

any idea why my phone is incompatible? it runs android 12

[native igloo]

you need 6GB

[brittle latch]

oh ok

[hybrid tendon]

hi

there is a bug
when i first go into smth audio is fine but after a while audio goes bye bye

[wind dock]

you're able to play it, however it's not going to be very stable.

you can sideload the APK if you have a PC

[ivory elm]

go to booth.pm, and try decimating an avatar you like. theres plently of free ones in the "3d character" section

[mint marsh]

it's on android now? HUH?

[proud creek]

it always has been

(quest)

[mint marsh]

Fair lol.

But now more CHILDREN can play ugh

[native igloo]

but spec be lower than quest be like...less availability doing thing for them at least.

[pine holly]

Lol I was curious about this cause I can see all the world's but the never ending wheel of death just keeps on spinning at the bottom of the screen

[slim lotus]

Okay, from just THAT alone, I can tell that this app will need to take up the entire phone itself. So... Yeah. Make sure your phone is completely clear.

It's probably memory, not storage, but still.

[brittle cypress]

yeaahhhh. Apologies for all the issues! points to beta tag. This is a very new platform with some very new tech on top of it. While it's much better than the previous update, catching every edge case and issue is gonna take a bit with how many existing systems there are in VRChat it needs to work with and around. That's why we appreciate users reporting issues so much! It won't be this fragile forever, hehe.

[native igloo]

It is limiter what phone can install it.
(so not going to use entire memory or storage)
Just limit what range of phone can use app really. decent mid-range past few years be no issue with this limit.

[hybrid tendon]

@brittle cypress

[brittle cypress]

Report it on the canny or else we can't log it! The VRChat team is about to go on our Winter break, not to mention it's the weekend so we aren't working right this second. So anything posted here will get lost if it's not properly submitted at https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

Reporting bugs on discord is the #1 way for your bug to not get looked at due to how bad of a platform Discord is for logging things like that.

[hybrid tendon]

it wont let me

[brittle cypress]

ahh, oops. yeah we require users to hit the "new user" rank before they can report issues I think. Same requirement as uploading custom avatars. If it's the issue where audio cuts out when playing audio from external apps, I think we already have that one logged.

it's a rule that exists to prevent people from just spinning up a bunch of accounts to interact with our feedback board.

[native igloo]

play VRChat like total of 24 hours, then maybe unlocked.

[hybrid tendon]

there is no other things playing other then vrchat
also ima share 2 more things being serious now

1. i use Bluetooth headphones (idk if it is relevant but ima say it just in case)
2. when it happens it freezes then unfrrezes

[brittle cypress]

ohp, yep, certain bluetooth audio devices have been doing funny things. we're aware of that! I'm not on the part of the team that would handle that bug though. I know it's being tracked though.

[native igloo]

yeap, it's on docs pinned

[hybrid tendon]

ah

sadly that is the only way i can play cause i am usually around people

[ivory elm]

ive usually been giving feedback on the google play page, is there a better way to give more detailed feedback besides here?

[native igloo]

IIRC, this issue usually happen if you got disconnect/connect headset while using.

[ivory elm]

i may be stupid and may not have read below thank you

[hybrid tendon]

for me it just happens while i use it
headphones connected

[native igloo]

then try not, then you less likely have issue.

[hybrid tendon]

i cant though
because again
i am most of the time around people

[native igloo]

then....in the meanwhile, maybe need to get wired headset instead while they fix it. (if you want to use now.....)

[hybrid tendon]

cant
i am literally forced to either not use vrchat at all or deal with it for now

[native igloo]

yeah....at this time. either no use it or try not disconnect/connect while using it be best bet. (as patch is not expectead that quick as dev's on holiday)

[hybrid tendon]

yeah
also (not directed just at you) how to find a avatar that will load on mobile and that i will like

[native igloo]

Go to avatar world from world search, it is easier this way.

[ivory elm]

veeery hot take but i think the very poor limit is honestly kinda a good change

*if they push very poor up, that is

that or allow very poor avatars, but make a hard limit on poly count, mesh and material count, etc.
keep it up to 70k polys like on pc and 4 meshes and materials to give room for more complex avatars to make the cut

many avatar devs assume quest users will just enable avatars anyways, and completely ignore limits, only caring about keeping it 10MB. so pushing devs to start working around optimized avatars would be a great change, instead of letting them run free without any limits to bad performance

[hybrid tendon]

also
why does LS Media have the fnaf movie

[ivory elm]

limits like this on android platforms would be awesome (i edited this together)

[hybrid tendon]

its the pirated ver

[pearl mulch]

that's unlikely to happen

[ivory elm]

i know i am asking a lot but one can dream

[hybrid tendon]

oh @brittle cypress ima tell you this because i cant say it to the thing but vrchat makes my phone hot

[native igloo]

normal

[hybrid tendon]

normal?

[native igloo]

yes, normal.
VRChat App use resource highly.

[hybrid tendon]

oh

[shut ocean]

instead of Mobile VP being 70k poly, it should be more like 20k. texture memory on a limited (non-upgradable) device should be more 4/8/10/12 since textures can still look good with the right formats at 512 or 1024 res (Atlased, ideally), everything else can feasibly follow quest limits. So like 10MB download size, physbones, ect.
Remember though, unless the device is using a chip made in 2021 or newer, most phones only allocate up-to 256MB (=<4GB) or 512MB (=>6GB) for GPU use out of ther shared memory, the Quest has it the same way, plus not everyone has (or needs) a phone with 12GB RAM, or one that can run complex games smoothly. now, would it be nice for the Quest to have 12GB of RAM? yeah, it would get close to the bar that SAVR (Stand-Alone Virtual Reality) was meant to start with, but that likely will never happen given the way manu's run.

The best way presently is to have a dedicated PC avatar, and a slimmed down Quest avatar. A hassle, but it's the only way besides using a fallback that may not look at all like your actual avatar.

[ivory elm]

my counterpoint is that the main issue is getting uploaders to try at all to optimize avatars :shoArmsCrossed:
it took me about two hours of dissolving edge loops manually for a VP avatar to reach medium rank, and about 30 minutes on a different avatar to get CATS to decimate it to Medium without losing shapekeys and too much quality
it would be great to have limits like you said to keep avatars usable on mobiles, but in practice, it takes lots of sacrifices and time to reach this point on detailed avatars. worth it, yes, but many people do not want to put in this effort (multiplied by how most people just tap show avatars anyways <3)

(your point does stand though, lo, dont have a good argument for this)

[grand zenith]

Most of my avi's bases I use were made before the Quest 2 update, back when 10k polys were very poor.
So I'm chilling lol.

[marble plank]

Anytime I open "big" settings or just any menu screen that's not quick menu the game rotates and crashes and just rotating the screen in general it crashes
I know it's still beta and there's gonna be bugs and crashes but is there a way to prevent this? I really wanna try out mobile

[proud creek]

There isnt a way to bypass it, I have the same issue on my Pixel 7

[amber crater]

true

[maiden socket]

can we disable beta build test message on right upper corner?

[gaunt palm]

didn't search it up yet, but I'm wondering if I could switch what mic I'm using for my voice

I could connect my Sennheisers and I'm sure they have a mic, I could also connect an external mic I use for my laptop, if that would work (not home, didn't try yet)

[gaunt palm]

occasionally I can't rotate the game, stuck in portrait. sometimes it works and I can switch to landscape on the fly.

[gilded cipher]

Now i understand why skin can't load some skin have high polygon is sad but heh

And just like that can i send some screenshot i take in vrchat?

[balmy veldt]

I don't think we can yet

And I know why I'm being told in quiet my phone treats vr chat as a phone call that's not on speaker

[ivory elm]

known bug, best thing is to get an app to control the rotation and force it

[ivory elm]

most android devices do not have enough memory or power to show high quality and unoptmized avis, make sure you (and any friends) all use medium or better avatars

[maiden socket]

am i be able to use same vrchat account in android and pc?

[native igloo]

yes?

[solar sorrel]

Is it only me or do you guys cant join any world its just stuck on loading

[maiden socket]

ty @native igloo

[wet sorrel]

I can use imposters as my fallback, but when I change worlds, it goes back to my original fallback, and then I couldn't select the imposter. Tested with 2 avis.

I couldn't select my avi due to poor performance on mobile.

I like week 1. I could see my very poor avi I use

Been using the same Samsung A52 for the whole time.

[lime phoenix]

Fr, week 1 I didn't have any problems with avis, just like being on a quest, but after they did that change the game wasn't that great anymore, what's the point if you cannot even see your friends avatar

I understand that is for performance, but at least make it where we can turn that "hide poor avi" off

[ivory elm]

this is the hard part

the community as a whole has to adopt impostors and optimized fallbacks for android and quest to work, but not many people wanna go through this effort

this problem wont exist soon, once vrchat enforces any kind of avatar limit on quest, but its still going to be an issue for a while

(honestly, blocking very poor avis would equal more people making fallbacks and optimizing their avis!! this is what encouraged me to start decimating!!)

[wispy mango]

so I just heard this mobile port is going to be a thing now however I cannot log in my main account which I use on my pc, even the google sign in dosent work. anyone experience it?

[half tapir]

Or poor at least

[half tapir]

Gonna disagree with that. More people will probably simply stop caring about mobile altogether. So you'll get impostor only at most. Only reason i have a poor rated avatars for Quest is because i paid someone to optimize them. These will most likely also be the only ones in the future I'll make Android compatible

[livid bronze]

I need help

[half tapir]

But i ain't complaining about it. Actually helps me. Less work for the future. Already annoying enough to keep the current android versions of my avatars working. They're only in maintenance mode forever basically

I can't really ever do anything with my Quest versions. Adding anything would make it immediately very poor. They're stuck in a limbo for years already

Can only keep them in the most basic state with nothing the pc version supports

A single material or polygon more and it's immediately very poor

[gaunt palm]

they rly gotta just give us a big warning and allow very poor on the other platforms. 'use at your own peril, it won't be smooth'. give us multiple confirm boxes and clearly state why it won't be a good idea

some very poor rated avis don't touch performance that much, rather than just locking us out entirely and blocking them, let us ruin our performance if we want, some of us can actually handle it, or will only show our friends

[lime phoenix]

Is ethir they let us not hide very poor avis, or at least make their system for rating avis performance better

I understand some of us don't have that powerful devices and that's fine

But just because some of us do that doesn't mean they have to punish us all for it

And I know for most of us that use the shield settings in vrc

They hide avis from guests and user

And really only show avis for known user and up

[ivory elm]

no incentive to optimize avatars, you either dont see avatars in public lobbies or count pixels

i get the whole, "users that want to see avatars should be able to see them", however, if all players use them anyways, there is little reason to make a fallback outside of "this group forces me to use an optimized avatar in their lobbies"

only solution i can think of is a punishment or limit to using a Very Poor that isnt making mobile players hate you, and while the idea of conpletely removing them isn't a perfect one, it might be a push enough to get people to care

[lime phoenix]

Well if you think about it

Fall backs are used a lot already for the quest user

As not all avis are made for quest and only for pc

So it wouldn't be bad if they removed that bad setting or at least let us change it to see others people avatar

As those things should be up to the user

They know theirs system limitations and how much they can handle

It's just how a pc player would see it

And a quest player would see it too

As there is a lot of other settings to not affect performance including hiding avatars at a distance

Limiting how many avatars are downloaded

[ivory elm]

fallbacks arent a replacement for an avatar

[lime phoenix]

They are pretty much

What is a fall back use for?

For when the avi isn't available for use

So it puts a whole other avi as a fall back

[ivory elm]

avatars are someones persona on this game, most players do not use custom fallbacks, and maybe a select 5 users ive ever seen have had one

[ivory elm]

said it yourself, "whole other avi"

usually not one someone is represented by

[lime phoenix]

Yeah

A replacement for your original avi

All I'm saying is to let us change settings how you would on a quest

It isn't a hard change

And if they want make a warning saying that performance may be affected

[ivory elm]

never seen a worse take im sorry

what im trying to get at is non-custom fallbacks dont show someones avatar. many people dont bother to optimize because most people click show avatar anyways, leaving people who can't handle playing at lower than 40fps without any way of seeing avatars besides the brush or hotdog over everyone. fallbacks are a bandaid for the issue of getting people to make mobile avatars in the first place

[lime phoenix]

Que

What phone do you have?

[ivory elm]

my phone is a Samsung S20FE Mid-Range from 2020, Snapdragon 865 with 6GB of RAM
my PCVR is a Quest 2 linked to my Ryzen 5 5500U laptop with integrated graphics, which isnt much, but it has the same performance as a Quest 2 on average

[lime phoenix]

...

Bruh

Of course

You don't understand

Playing on pc is like playing on high settings

Playing on quest is playing on medium settings

[gaunt palm]

jeez just limit the very poor avis to 3-5 and improve what poor to very poor means, anything...

[ivory elm]

completely other issue here friend!!

[lime phoenix]

Thats why you have the same performance

[lime phoenix]

You don't understand do you, all I'm saying I'd "hey vrc let us see avatars at our own risk"

Is that something you really gotta defend?

[gaunt palm]

If I wanna fry my phone's chip, I should be allowed to. I have a spare

[lime phoenix]

That's what I'm saying

It should be up to the user

As we know our own limitations

[ivory elm]

people wont optimize because they know others will click show avatar anyways

[lime phoenix]

People have a 1k$ pc and they understand they can run everything on high, while People with a 500$ pc understand that they can't do that

[lime phoenix]

It would be like that If vrc let us

Have you played vrc mobile yet?

[ivory elm]

yes and thats the main way i test mobile avatars

i decimate avatars and work with this, i am pretty aware of what im saying

[lime phoenix]

So you are saying the user shouldn't have the freedom of seeing avatars

At their own risk

[ivory elm]

only real issue with this is that insanely complex avatars with many clothing meshes being unusabke

[lime phoenix]

Because yes I have a galaxy s20fe as well

[ivory elm]

yes

[lime phoenix]

Thats why they limit that

And they make it pc only if it's to much

Also, you know there is a download limit of 10mb after compression right?

It's for quest and mobile

[ivory elm]

that does not mean much for 12 material slots 64 dynamic bones and 200k polygons

[lime phoenix]

So if there are to many meshes they will just not show at all

[ivory elm]

(im not stupid...)

[lime phoenix]

Lol you called yourself that xD

I didn't, was just trying to get a point through

Because hey, if you make an avatar and you make it optimized, that's great! But if you don't, oh well, don't expect people on quest or mobile to see it

As I'm pretty sure almost half of vrc player base is a questie

And tbh I would say a s20fe has the same performance as a quest 2

So why limit the user of something as simple

And you know the main cause of frame rate drop is because of shaders (something you can't turn on, on quest nor mobile)

Because if you played week one when it was payed, you would of played just how a quest player do

And not one complaint from anyone

Question @ivory elm did you played week one of vrc mobile in the alpha?

[ivory elm]

[lime phoenix]

Or am I wrong?

Since you say you test that stuff

I'm just saying bud

Because what I understand from what you are saying is that avatars shouldn't be able to be seen in other platforms like mobile, and mobile should have their own categories of avis

Like call of duty mobile or even genshin impact are way heavier games than vrc in most occasions

And a s20fe still can run them at max graphics

[ivory elm]

i use mobile regularly, but i did not use it when it was paid

[ivory elm]

my device isnt the issue, its everyone else. my friends on quest 2 have showed their games running at <20fps in some worlds with even one or two very poors shown

[lime phoenix]

Okay soo, I pay for the early access beta, and it was doing alright with the alpha and not limitations it has now

[lime phoenix]

Thats because it's a quest 2

[ivory elm]

and thats my point!!!!!!

[lime phoenix]

And don't they have the option to hide avis?

Or they have every avi in their lobby in show

Because that's what I'm saying, let the user decide his fate

If they are playing with friends and only show friends avi

Would that affect them much?

[ivory elm]

they do, it shows gray robot and hides very poors by default

[lime phoenix]

And what world were they in?

[ivory elm]

and the argument repeats

[lime phoenix]

This is avi I use on pc that runs just fine

On a pc that has a intel uhd 600

Can't use it on mobile because of that setting

[ivory elm]

i show two of these and my pc would catch fire

[lime phoenix]

Boi, you have a ryzen 5

[ivory elm]

200k polys on quest is insane for a mobile chip, meta doesn't recommend going past 1 million total in a scene

[lime phoenix]

I have an Intel celeron

[ivory elm]

we are in #android-discussion !!!!!

[lime phoenix]

So why you say your pc would catch on fire?

[ivory elm]

metaphor

[lime phoenix]

You know 100-200k poly is not that bad

There are avis with 500k polys that run on quest

[ivory elm]

nightshadelenar if you can hear us please save us

[lime phoenix]

Bruh

[ivory elm]

read his message on quest avatar rankings

[lime phoenix]

Is it really that hard to just ask for that setting to be able to turn off?

[lime phoenix]

What he's saying is pretty much the same

Have the same limitations as a quest

And especially if you have a newer phone it should be able to run just fine

Who would be playing vrc on a Samsung s7 knowing it's a heavy game?

The quest 2 came out 2020, it's almost 2024 and phone chips are now more powerful chips than a quest 2 chip

And a quest 2 has 6 gb ram

Same as a s20fe

[shut ocean]

there are more fundamental limitations that would require changing the renderer from OpenGL ES 3 (like used on Quest) to Vulkan to safely support more than 2.4 million poly in a scene without creating unknown behaviors. it's more a limitation with the renderer than the power of phone chips, despite their marginal gain over the XR2. The Snapdragon 8 Gen 3, +8% RW performance over the XR2. The Apple A15, is 12% behind. Remember that these chips only get ~5-7w max power, and rarely come with active cooling unlike a computer. if you're upset about VP being disabled, i would calmly direct you to the PC version on a compatible machine.

[lime phoenix]

Of course I'm not saying to allow an avi with 2mill poly to be shown, that's outrageous

And just saying, if you played the payed version of the alpha on week one

You would understand why I'm mad about the change they did

Else why would I be here

Cause I have no reason to be here tbh

[ivory elm]

(this is per scene, not per avatar)

[lime phoenix]

There is something known as a pc only stuff

For a reason

[shut ocean]

i did, and on my S22 Ultra it struggled with more than 2 VP avatars in view, though likely the world was to blame since it was at Sovern's Chill Home. still, though.

[lime phoenix]

Well I don't know what you did but mine didn't struggle like you say

That's what I'm saying too, it's fine if there are some limitations, that's understandable for a port

[ivory elm]

loading a few very poors (200k poly ea.) in the preview would drop fps by a couple for me, would imagine having more than 4 or 5 before it goes below 20fps

[lime phoenix]

But at least let us see avatars

As like I said before, we all know our limitations on our devices

So let us do it at our own risk

[ivory elm]

honestly, issue isnt people with unoptimized avatars or ones enabling them, its people not making enough fallbacks or quest compatibles to make up for the bad performance rankings like i was really trying to emphasize

[shut ocean]

it was alpha software at the time, so i didn't really put it against the devs about it.

"As like I said before, we all know our limitations on our devices"

And this, the fact of the matter is not everyone knows the limits of their phones. those of us that do are the 1%, while everyone else is either "I need the best" or "I need something that works". not everyone has time (or brain capacity) to work out all the specs. it's a danger toggle that people would flip on anyway.

[lime phoenix]

Same avatar on alpha and how many fps I was getting

[ivory elm]

that last sentence should be bolded, considering how many quest users i see now complaining of lag in publics, despite showing very poors

[lime phoenix]

That's them using it at their own risk

[ivory elm]

and they dont know the risk, risk being tanking their games frame rates by huge percents with some

[shut ocean]

there's teh difference. 1's Optimized Box. i was in Sovern's Chill Home when i was on in week 1.

[lime phoenix]

If you are talking about enabling more than 20 avatars in a public lobby, that's on you , the devs gave them options and they didn't take them

So why mobile doesn't have the same thing?

[shut ocean]

i'd venture a guess becuase they support all the way back to Android 9, when some compatable phones still on Android 9 are less powerful than the Quest 1.

[lime phoenix]

That's because it's them

If they are playing on that why are they playing on the first place?

Just because a couple of people can't run it that doesn't mean everyone should be punished for it

If I said my pc can't run vrc great, would you say "get a better pc then"

Or am I wrong?

[ivory elm]

#android-discussion message

[lime phoenix]

That's common sense dude

[ivory elm]

one must imagine a quest user happy

[wind dock]

real

[lime phoenix]

I don't use quest...

[shut ocean]

as much as there are upsides and downsides, this is getting a bit silly, so i'll leave it at this:

They are limiting mobile for wider device compatibility, less heat output, and marginally better battery consumption during play, as well as fitting within the same footprint as Quest. There's a lot to nitpick, but neither of us are devs here, so no real reason for such nit-picking other than to aimlessly fill a text channel.

[lime phoenix]

That's the thing, the limits are to much, as pretty much paraspace would do better at this point, how hard is it to put a warning saying "showing this avatar could cause performance loss"

And then let the user decide if they want to continue

I just don't get it why yall mad over a simple request

I'm not asking to change anything else but just the "hide very poor avatar" setting so it can be turned off

Especially you sylv

[hardy garden]

🍿

[lime phoenix]

Bro just eating popcorn xD

[ivory elm]

it affects those on low end devices, is why i don't want this compromise, leaving it at that

[lime phoenix]

Low end devices is on them blud

[ivory elm]

(quest 2 and quest 3 make up half of all players, love you but thats not an argument)

[lime phoenix]

Brother or sister, it's not really a big deal.

[nova ravine]

is talking only PTT right now?

[split nymph]

Yes

[nova ravine]

damn

[graceful bloom]

whens google cardboard support dropping /j

[ivory elm]

this

[grim night]

No? You can turn it off in settings

[nova ravine]

It wouldn't let me.

[grim night]

Are you using headphones?

If you're using headphones you can turn it off

[gaunt palm]

just ptt or always off for meee

[nova ravine]

that may actually explain a lot, I'll test that out.

[grim night]

Yeah, worked for me

[barren spire]

In old versions of the App I could see my quest compatible avatars just fine regardless of download size or rating, why is there suddenly a limitation on this?

Especially since most phones are more powerful\faster than the quest 2 these days

[wary tartan]

You can also set virtual memory in place of ram on most phones now

[sturdy fox]

Y'all know any decent quest avatar worlds

[barren spire]

most of them probably wont work because the android app automatically wont show very poor QUEST rated avatars which is even more crazily stringent than normal very poor and doesn't give you an option to show them anyway

[pearl mulch]

the team kind of concluding allowing very poor avatars in the first place was a mistake on Quest

[barren spire]

Completely locking people out of seeing an avatar that IS quest compatible, because it has more than 20,000 polygons or more than 2 meshes is really stupid and anti-consumer. It should be the persons choice to show it or not

Plus right now, the mobile system won't even load impostors of quest compatible avatars that are rated very poor. Its not a good thing.

Again, especially when most phones in the last several years are more powerful than a quest 2 is AND they worked just fine on the previous version of the app

[eternal bay]

That’s not anti consumer in any way

[hard kelp]

is it.. possible to Bluestacks VRChat?.. for Quest/Mobile testing? I tried it but it just instantly crash 😅

[barren spire]

That could be very handy for testing quest compatability for worlds if you could get it to work

[hard kelp]

very

[burnt mural]

Every time I switched to landscape mode the game just crashed and brought me back to the main menu

Are there anyway to fix it?

[half tapir]

Im gonna try it with WSA instead

mmh im stuck on this screen

[hard kelp]

aw..

could it be missing some dependency app or maybe some sort of virtual machine protection? 🤔 I wonder..

[half tapir]

dunno about depency stuff, i do have google play services and google play on my pc.

[proud creek]

Did you sideload it yourself?

I would try aurora store

Extracting the app and then installing it won't work it will just sit at a white screen

[half tapir]

Yes

Also what's aurorastore

[proud creek]

It's just the play store but you don't need a Google account to download apps

Though it still might show device compatibility issues for some apps
A friend tried it on their G-Cloud and it worked

[half tapir]

@proud creek will try it

[half tapir]

with aurora store it simply crashes

[proud creek]

a

AndroidSubsystem wasn't ment for games it still would run really badly

[honest helm]

How do you selecta stuff in the action menu? I cant do anything.

[naive bluff]

You use the joystick.

[honest helm]

I am moving it but nothing happens.

[unkempt kayak]

Ur app is not working and im using samsung s23 Ultra and i got 6gb space so y is it not working

Not loading worlds

[unkempt kayak]

looks like i dont have 6gb after all almost my whole phone got not apps left

[tacit cosmos]

Y'all are lucky, still can't even log in yet

[wet sorrel]

Can we at least see our avatar even it's very poor? Everyone else's very poor avi can still be in fallback. Been using my Samsung A52 since week one for the Alpha.

You found a way for Quest 2 users to not be sent back home due to low RAM memory.

[unkempt kayak]

Odd its working now

Shame we cant use the pc avis

[spiral tide]

can't wait for vrc to come out on iphone

[split nymph]

Vrchat is already on android but they're working on it

[heady sparrow]

pc avis are a completely different build of the game

[unkempt kayak]

Yh hopefully we can ome day

One*

[lusty hazel]

You probably never will

It's not just the performance difference

But also the fact that the Avatar was build for a complete different platform and architecture

One runs on X86 with Windows and on runs on ARM with Android

[cyan coyote]

Is there any good Avis compatible with Android

[split nymph]

I got a few if you would like to copy mine

It's mainly Furries,Anime and sonic characters

[cyan coyote]

What do the anime ones look like

[split nymph]

Naruto the last,Hinata the last,and kakashi

Hang on and I'll screenshot em and DM you em

Here's my collection of anime avis that works on mobile @cyan coyote

[cyan coyote]

Ooh okii

[split nymph]

I couldn't DM you directly for these cuz of your discord settings

So I placed em here

[cyan coyote]

I would love to have the Kanna avi

[pliant pilot]

What would a "Mobile-compatible" avi entail? Feature-wise anyways. I'm thinking of making one for myself whenever it goes public.

[split nymph]

Mobile Compatible would be within the performance range of Poor, Medium,Good,or Excellent performance range!
Unless you have an avi with the imposter feature then the very poor performance rating avis wouldn't even show up but it will refer back to the fallback avatar

[grand zenith]

10mb & poor or better

[minor sentinel]

My mobile game doesn't join any server

[vocal nimbus]

What bugs were fixed with yesterday's patch?

[brittle cypress]

I'll be doing a post soon-ish, but it's just some stability improvements around loading into the client from a google account.

We just sort of set the update up to go live the second it passed google review, so sometimes timing of patch pings might be a little off when we do that.

[warm crane]

I sure do like using % in my password.

[unique umbra]

Would anyone know if you can control the instance type opened from the initial app menu? (not the usual in-game one) -- It's always been dropping me onto a public so far and I would really like to use private by default for testing WIP worlds on Android...!

[lusty hazel]

I had a password once that that a fucking space character in it

[brittle cypress]

not yet! that'll be coming some time next year!

[lusty hazel]

idk tf my password manager was thinking xD

[stray ferry]

I don't know if maybe it's just me but iv tired using my switch controller with vr chat on phone and every other button works except my rt button

[half tapir]

wait that character was an issue?

i had % as characters

[fierce walrus]

I can now join the world the new problem is i can only look left to right but i can't look up and down anyone knows how to fix this?

[lilac delta]

Still same issues, opens in portrait but crashed when I go to landscape (ui or in game) so I literally can't play it anymore (pixel 7a)

[brittle cypress]

Yep, there is a canny for this issue. We'll be investigating when we're back to work next year.

[burnt mural]

For some reason it also happens for Poco f3 but not Poco f5 pro

Both use miui 14

[brittle cypress]

Yeah it's a really weird one. I'm using a Pixel 7a, and I've never seen it myself yet. It's hard to tell what's causing it, but I have an idea of what the fix is. But hard to tell for sure until I'm back to poking things.

[lilac delta]

Oki, Enjoy your holiday! ^^

[burnt mural]

I hope they expand the mobile control

Something like rec room

[chilly wadi]

I cannot logon into the actual game, what my steps are? I enter username/password, I see the page with recent/popular worlds, I press the spaceship and the best I get is thr teal screen with the blobs, or nothing, just "loading" over the spaceship aka go button

[queen pelican]

you dont need plus anymore for the android version if thats why you need $10

[wet sorrel]

I can now select my avatar and get its imposter by going to wings, and selecting the avatar. But it changes back to the original fallback when changing worlds.

[vivid solar]

I'm getting crashing on rooted Dimensity 1200 Soc device.
Does this version have any root proof or just Dimensity 1200 not compatible?

Just open the app and wait, it will crash even I doesn't touch anything

[lilac delta]

Stop begging omg

[gilded cipher]

can someone help me i use a keyboard and mouse on mobile but the mouse dosen't respond

only the keyboard

[nova ravine]

Is it just me or Do wireless earbuds not work? Because I can't hear anybody when I am trying to play it at all

[nova ravine]

I don't think my phone can handle gen one meet up

[brittle cypress]

mice are not currently supported on Android. They keyboard working is more of a default behavior that's inherited from the PC version of VRChat and didn't have anything special done to make it work. So we get that for free. Mice on Android are a bit of a different story though afaik.

[proud creek]

You always have < and > to move the camera on keyboard
VRChat with tank controls anyone?

though im not sure if that works

[brittle cypress]

yep, Bluetooth devices can be finicky atm. Hope to smooth that out in the future.

[nova ravine]

even then, I'm not getting any audio through my ear buds

[visual kraken]

It's not lol

[queen pelican]

lol

does anyone know if cardboard works in the android version

[nova ravine]

Oh my God I completely forgot about that. If you get that to work that's going to be funny as shit

[pearl mulch]

From what I've heard Google cardboard is not supported

[queen pelican]

damn

although i think i could make a headset shaped mount for my phone and use my switch controller since its my only way to access vrchat again

im doing it

[pearl mulch]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/googles-vr-dreams-are-dead-google-cardboard-is-no-longer-for-sale/

[queen pelican]

rip

[karmic trail]

While I try to get into a game, it locks me into portrait mode even if I rotate my phone to landscape and I allow it to go into landscape mode. It doesn't work no matter what I do. It stays as portrait mode no matter if I rotate my device or not.

[queen pelican]

if might change it you open the launch pad

thats how I get it to work

[hybrid tendon]

damn, im 2 GB short of the RAM requirement. otherwise I'm all set on Android 10

[unreal compass]

how do i change my avatar

cuz I'm pretty new to vrchat and i have no idea how everything works

[naive bluff]

You have a pre-selected list in your Avatar menu you can switch to.

Otherwise, you have to visit avatar worlds and find ones you want to use.

[last folio]

how

how you play it on phone?

[lilac delta]

You download the app on your android phone ^^ just make sure it has 6gb of ram and runs android 10 or later

[last folio]

download it from where? can you give me link pretty pls

[lilac delta]

The google play store?

[last folio]

hm?

[lilac delta]

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.vrchat.mobile.playstore here

[unreal compass]

Is there a way to dance or use emotes on mobile

[last folio]

thanks

[last folio]

what type of mobile good for this? Redmi or Samsung

[lilac delta]

You download the app on your android phone ^^ just make sure it has 6gb of ram and runs android 10 or later

[unreal compass]

Why is it that everytime i join a server most of the users are "Memory Low"

How do i fix that so that their models show up

[naive bluff]

You can't.

[unreal compass]

what

I can't yet or i can't?

[naive bluff]

You can't. Memory low means you're close to using up your RAM allocation before you crash.

[unreal compass]

Bruhhh

So I'd have to get a whole new better phone

[naive bluff]

Well... it'd help. Or get a PC.

[waxen yew]

Any feedback route that doesn't require logging in?
Lot of bad dev choices in this service I'm trying to sift through.

[naive bluff]

Why not just log in?

You need to be logged in to comment/make new posts, so why not?

[waxen yew]

1. The website has no login for Google accounts
2. Logging in on mobile has minimal settings options
3. Nobody said anything about using forums.

Though of course, it's easier to stay silent if you don't have answers rather than asserting your will on others.

[naive bluff]

👀

[waxen yew]

I'm just trying to change my display name because it auto generated one for me by butchering my email name.
Can't do that so I wanna submit a support thread. Can't do that so I'm here.

Also can't form groups since I can't login to the website since I technically have no password

And they won't allow proton emails so I have no choice but to use this email like this 🤷

[naive bluff]

Sorry, you can't change your display name with a "guest account", you'll need to make a regular VRC account to do that.

[waxen yew]

Literally what does that even mean.
This is what I'm talking about when it comes to mediocre and shortsighted dev decisions.

[waxen yew]

Which is now actually impossible because I used my email to sign up for that guest account, and again, they do not allow nearly any other email provider.

How neat.

[naive bluff]

https://vrchat.com/home/register - make an account here, name it whatever you want, log in with that name, presto.

[waxen yew]

Make an account here. Using the only email I have which is already signed up?

[naive bluff]

Yep.

[waxen yew]

Ugh okay I guess I get to go do a week worth of resetting all my settings and worlds now. Neat.
At least my name isn't dumb 😂
Thank you.

Would've much rather used my proton email but whatever. I guess privacy is dead anyway so screw it right.

[naive bluff]

It's not that "privacy is dead", it's that Proton emails get abused a lot, so they had to block them outright.

People use them to make throwaway accounts.

[waxen yew]

Literally no worse than Gmail accounts, which one can also easily make throw away accounts for. It's literally a functionally inaccurate argument.

[naive bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unreal compass]

how do you add custom dances or animations to your avatar

[naive bluff]

You have to own the files themselves first.

[unreal compass]

Okay, and then what?

[unreal compass]

fortnite dances lol

[naive bluff]

And then... you... add them to the avatar in Unity?

[unreal compass]

On mobile

How

[waxen yew]

Get a real hobby rather than wasting people's time not providing them help they could be receiving.
Silence is more powerful than arrogance and mediocre support request assistance.

You're starting a war you can't win
Stop typing.

[naive bluff]

👀 I am helping. That's quite literally how you add dances to avatars. 👀

This is the Android channel anyway.

[unreal compass]

Yeah, but since when was unity on mobile

[waxen yew]

Right so how does it help anyone to explain how a PC only mechanic works rather than explaining factual information without being an egotistical jerk?

[unreal compass]

uh

[naive bluff]

You can't.

[waxen yew]

Would be pretty easy to say 'sorry, that isn't possible on mobile. On PC, use unity'

Rather than assuming everyone else is as god graced with vrc wisdom as you.

[naive bluff]

Yeah, no need to be a dick about it.

Just say your piece and be respectful.

[unreal compass]

damnit

[waxen yew]

Speaking for yourself?

[eternal bay]

lol shut up you’re not even a part of that convo

[waxen yew]

Weird. Sure looks like I took part in it

Almost as if this is a public forum or something. Fancy that.

[eternal bay]

You just commented on something not related to you

[waxen yew]

Actually, that's exactly what you're doing right now.

[hybrid tendon]

Damn

[waxen yew]

I was commenting to a person who replied the same to me a day prior

Scroll just a tiny bit up, if that isn't too hard for you

[eternal bay]

Ok but like, you didn’t reply to a message that was from the previous convo.