gentle osprey
#kpop-chat
sonic cliff
I don't think so
feral topaz
it's just spotify being spotify do not worry
sonic cliff
yeah, probably a database problem on spotify's end
simple karma
I don't even see them in my playlist wtf
feral topaz
because you did not go to your settings and checkmark "show unavailable songs"
!
silly taco
simple karma
trail lotus
bts festa?
as they were spotted a few weeks ago shooting something
or suga's new mixtape
simple karma
Festa probably
worthy cradle
a bit too dark for a festa
simple karma
A dark festa 
clever lintel
Festa probs not
It might be jk or suga solo thing
Might be something completely diff tho
worthy cradle
new game
simple karma
I hope so
next lynx
next lynx
next lynx
Izone 
winter python
Ye but I want chebul too 
winter python
I'd take superstar fnc tho
worthy cradle
she's unreal
worthy cradle
woah
winter python
Jiwon
worthy cradle
oh right
winter python
Her
next lynx
worthy cradle
simple karma
why mad
worthy cradle
I never know what these champ emotes mean
winter python
I think I may know John's chebul bias now
next lynx
that was random sorry 
worthy cradle
clever lintel
worthy cradle
I hope not Jiwon she’s mine !
next lynx
she is yours 
simple karma
fight for her john!
worthy cradle
Nice!
winter python
I meant that I'm pretty sure remi is john's bias
peak fable
worthy cradle
You can’t hide Johnny!
next lynx
winter python
Usually people only 
on their biases so...
worthy cradle
detective Sho on duty
next lynx
Sho 
worthy cradle
damn that's so good Taco
winter python
I'm watching you john 
simple karma
yep
tribal cosmos
you can playlist it on mobile
worthy cradle
o
tribal cosmos
ye
add it to playlist via mobile and it should be shown on the playlist on pc as well
feral topaz
#lifehack
feral sun
simple karma
changbin raps 
worthy cradle
damn naeun
clever lintel
simple karma
i see
simple karma
next lynx
winter python
feral topaz
main canopy
cursive belfry
dreamcatcher pog
cursive belfry
feral sun
Twitter
tribal cosmos
Album 
winter python
likely mini album or single album
tribal cosmos
ep at least pls
red void
I hope it's a mini album
limber dome
album 
worthy glacier
next lynx
feral sun
its not on desktop for me
simple karma
Same
simple karma
Just some of the songs are gone. Not all
Its cuz of u Peyton
U scrobbled too much DC
They're like chill a bit
Lol
plain monolith
i'm getting obsessed with Apink 
simple karma
clever lintel
peak fable
clever lintel
sturdy sundial
simple karma
punch sounds sick
simple karma
worthy cradle
bop
half minnow
next lynx
simple karma
chorus 
worthy cradle
I really like the instru
half minnow
huh what joke ?
peak fable
simple karma
what happened ?
peak fable
to who
simple karma
oh i saw it
feral topaz
there was a section in the last episode of shindong gayo where oh my girl members had to do mock cfs for some food products and seunghee chose to advertise some burritos, and she used a jelly under her lip as a goatee and said what was translated as "burritos from mexico, burritototo" or something like that.
And that's apparently offensive to mexicans
peak fable
simple karma
yess, the common "Racism" these days
feral topaz
worthy cradle
worthy cradle
kpop stans are really fragile
peak fable
simple karma
that was literally the point of the challenge. racism!
feral topaz
🤨
feral topaz
they are prolly all edgy teens who don't know what to do while locked down
peak fable
feral topaz
and omg did crush the charts so that's also there
most of them were neverlands last night
now I guess more people have seen it
half minnow
feral topaz
the tweet you just shared has #JUNGKOOK in their profile description
half minnow
I guess that was the clip
feral topaz
sean
peak fable
#ohmygirlgoingtojailparty
brisk summit
We really surprised Shadow lmaoo
feral topaz
peak fable
half minnow
https://youtu.be/1ljb8lb2DKw
Someone made a thread about OMGs racism and called out this cover
ember ice
thats nothing my king jaemin got cancelled for "saying retard" live
worthy cradle
lol
half minnow
gg
ember ice
still ridin and rollin 
brisk summit
They'll find something else to be offended by soon
You've not made it until you've been cancelled
brisk summit
oh for sure
i remember in the world cup when mexicans were pulling the old racist slanty eyes
trail lotus
exactly my thought
magic basalt
worthy cradle
cursive belfry
next lynx
simple karma
@plain monolith
next lynx
Jumpy ping
plain monolith
simple karma
the ping hair is so good on her
feral topaz
peak fable
happy taeyang day 🥳
winter python
Jihyo teaser 
simple karma
dead
next lynx
next lynx
worthy cradle
too early
cursive belfry
worthy cradle
honest hinge
Why are korean music shows still held in such high regard when I feel like I read stories about vote rigging and stage mishaps and all other stuff constantly
simple karma
it' still an award show. same thing with grammys and other award shows in the world
honest hinge
Yeah but isn't there like 6+ different shows that all air weekly or something. Weird for them to have such prestigue. Like cool you were the top contestant in that one show for that one week against 2 other contestants.
worthy cradle
music is a huge thing in Korea
cursive belfry
you're a huge thing in my heart clad
cursive belfry
my nose looks to be the same size, ||although something else isnt||
my heart of course
worthy cradle
honest hinge
The entire system just feels unnecessarily shackling, like you can be a successful group by so many metrics but if you haven't gotten a win it's like you haven't made it. It's like a stigma
tribal cosmos
eg didnt win for dun dun era yet blew up
honest hinge
I don't mean in the literal sense, that's why I said you can be successful by many metrics, I bet ppl still pray for wins for every cb for those groups
honest hinge
I'm just saying, it feels a bigger thing than it should be. Considering how often and by how many different shows the awards are held
simple karma
i do agree that there are way too many award shows
honest hinge
I guess I'm also a bit charged on the subject since I just read about the fiasco with DC and Everglow voting. Just feels sad
simple karma
that was yikes ye
cursive belfry
worthy cradle
that was bullshit
tribal cosmos
happy for eg but feelsbad for dc
honest hinge
It seemed like a lose lose situation. EG got undeserved hate and DC robbed of first win
feral topaz
why was it fraudulent exactly?
fierce rain
cuz they manipulated the scores
sturdy sundial
because there was no way for dc to lose
fierce rain
even if the judge scores were 0
sturdy sundial
if you go by the numbers provided by sbs
dc would've won even with a 0 in expert points
Which is ridiculous to begin with
feral topaz
do you have a link to it?
tribal cosmos
sturdy sundial
It was a deliberate attempt to stop the growth of an unconventional group
tribal cosmos
hate linking koreaboo but they post the statistics n such
sonic cliff
I believe this is the original article
https://xdoublestar.com/2019/10/01/shady-b-s-how-the-show-robbed-and-continue-to-rob-dreamcatcher-of-their-first-win/
feral topaz
not koreaboo, a link to some sbs source that has the numbers
to verify what is used for calculation is actually true
simple karma
do u expect sbs to officially say we fucked dc ? lol
feral topaz
then how did people get the numbers if they didn't release them
fierce rain
why do broadcasting companies have 2 diff music shows
fierce rain
oh
feral topaz
inkigayo is
simple karma
the article has the numbers from the show that day
feral topaz
it's a koreaboo article and the calculation is probably done by an insomnia
feral topaz
yeah these numbers add up
the problem is in the 3720 eg got right?
and 1850 dc got?
and that calculation is not done officially
i am asking for the numbers used there
next lynx
honest hinge
the second article posted goes into more detail
sturdy sundial
yeah if you do add these straight down
you do get the numbers that are shown
but the numbers are fucked in the first place
so that doesnt matter
fierce rain
the calculations done behind the scenes are the ones that are wrong
feral topaz
or maybe the ones done by the dc fans in these articles are?
suaberry said sbs released the numbers, i am just asking for where they are
fierce rain
it's all in the article
sturdy sundial
you'd have to look up the show's viewer board
feral topaz
the article just says eg got this much and dc got this much without the source of the numbers
no
i don't believe it because it's on koreaboo
sonic cliff
sonic cliff
simple karma
does the show even release the numbers ?
sonic cliff
I do find it a little weird that the show never tried to prove that their numbers were correct and didn't comment on the situation
sturdy sundial
but they did comment
sonic cliff
That's all I'll say
sturdy sundial
they mocked them on twt
feral topaz
so the counted youtube views and everything could differ between an official calculation and something done by a fan who probably is not given access by youtube
simple karma
sturdy sundial
everyone knows expert points has always been the category where shows just skew the results
next lynx
sturdy sundial
to favor certain groups
feral topaz
but if everyone knows that then they can just not care about not winning also
sturdy sundial
what doesn't help is that eg fans also spoke out about this
feral topaz
because it's rigged, so what good is a rigged win
sturdy sundial
they knew it was fucked as well
feral topaz
i would argue that having experts is better because if not then a bigger group will always win, but with experts if a smaller group has a better song then they have a chance
if having experts was so detrimental then there were 5 more shows that week
honest hinge
I would agree, if the expert points had a clear system and were released for public to see.
sturdy sundial
it's jus kinf of obvious that that's what happened even if nothing is confirmed
because the industry thrives on convention
and unconventional groups are sabotaged or shut down completely
tribal cosmos
couldve sworn that question was asked the other day as well
half minnow
wtf
feral topaz
yeah if dc wins it was fair and deserved and since they didn't win "expert points has always been the category where shows just skew the results"
i mean i don't really care about show wins and i can't change how you feel, but maybe nothing wrong happened. i get that 11 points is a hard one to swallow
half minnow
next lynx
fierce rain
jihyo ftw
simple karma
worthy cradle
main canopy
simple karma
She looks so good 
worthy cradle
feral sun
And someone saying it was just cause dc didn’t win 
next lynx
fierce rain
yikes
tribal cosmos
hopefully next cb they will win
feral topaz
this guy checking his dreamcatcher pings instead of saying gm
worthy cradle
EG Fans would have done the same thing if it was the opposite
feral topaz
fierce rain
maybe around july or aug
feral topaz
a case can be made for anything from both sides
feral topaz
if there are no experts then a smaller group will always lose against a big group
feral topaz
yeah maybe because they produce absolute garbage in experts' opinion
feral sun
feral topaz
and again, the show is the first show of the week, there were 5 more that same week
peak fable
feral sun
You expect them to win against people like bol4
The show most the time is their only chance
worthy cradle
it is their only chance
fierce rain
pray for next comeback no big groups
feral sun
I mean idk that they lost but the show fucked up and didn’t say shit that’s what bugs me
feral topaz
i mean there's a luck factor also. loona released before dc this year, and yet won after bts promotions because dc decided not to promote
just because they didn't win that time doesn't mean it was rigged for sure is all i am saying
we don't know enough to know that it was
sonic cliff
It is highly suspicious when they don't comment about it is all I'm saying
fierce rain
feral topaz
they don't have to just because some people on twitter and reddit are making some noise
feral sun
Shadow people gave you articles that literally show the calculations
feral topaz
koreaboo links
feral sun
There are other sites and videos that show it
Koreaboo just used those sites and made their own article
feral topaz
i am just asking for the sbs link that has the numbers instead of some third party shit
fierce rain
why don't u just trust
sonic cliff
Didn't the show go back and explain about kang daniel and AOA when people had suspicions there?
feral topaz
because koreaboo plays people a lot
feral sun
I mean there are plenty of videos about it too
feral topaz
made by fans of dc i am very sure
feral sun
No
feral topaz
do they link that the numbers they are using are from an official source?
like sbs released it
feral topaz
then how do people know that the calculations in these articles are right?
it's not far fetched for a hurt kpop fan to fake numbers to make a point
feral sun
Cause they did a sample computation from other weeks
And literally break down how it’s calculated
For the other weeks
simple karma
Peyton u don't understand it seems. Shadow doesn't believe the fan's calculations are real
feral sun
They were literally given negative points in expert score LOL
feral topaz
taco can you tell me how many views d4 mv gets in the next 24 hours starting 13 mins?
that's when it's 11 pm for me
simple karma
I can tell. There are websites for that lol
feral sun
worthy cradle
🚿
sonic cliff
simple karma
There was a site before. I don't know if it's still active. It was detailed af. Every hour etc
His point Peyton is that the numbers in the article could be fake, made randomly by fans. That's why he talks about official source from sbs
sonic cliff
a company would never release numbers that could damage themselves
feral sun
So you’re telling me all these sources this article used could be fake
And that’s your point
If their numbers were fake they wouldn’t have used another week to show sample computations
feral topaz
taco yt views get frozen for a good amount of times sometimes, all these sites you speak of look at the number shown and then run a counter, there's no way youtube is letting them have an actual count. while the music show channels have access to the numbers from youtube because well they run the music shows
simple karma
That's true yes. I don't argue that
feral topaz
so maybe there was a discrepancy there, the counter was frozen and the person who did the math counted more views than there were?
i am just saying that it's one of the possibilities
sonic cliff
Do you know for a fact that yt gives music shows direct numbers
feral topaz
instead of discrediting all the results on the show
i don't
but it's very likely that they do
feral sun
Shadow dc isn’t the first group the show has done this to
sonic cliff
so assuming they do then I could agree but we don't know
fierce rain
shadow conceded relax
cursive belfry
lol
next lynx
sonic cliff
I'm relaxed 
feral sun
All I’m saying is they did shady shit and didn’t respond to it
fierce rain
yes we all agree
feral sun
And dc wasn’t the first or last person they screwed over
feral topaz
then the show as a whole should not have a credit as a music show win
and we will never know if something shady happened if dc also wins someday
honest hinge
To me even if the numbers aren't 100% accurate it's very sus that a song like Deja Vu would get anywhere near 0 expert points, let alone negative points. But anyway this discussion opened a bit of a pandora's box it seems lol. I'll concede with saying I won't be putting much stock in SBS The Show in the future
feral sun
I’m just saying they have done shady stuff like screwed n.flying over too
And then the aoa and Kang Daniel incident
worthy cradle
SEOLHYUN GROUP
feral sun
They just have a lot more problems than other music shows
worthy cradle
just for that they deserve a win
simple karma
Clad 
simple karma
Ofc
sonic cliff
I think Chanmi was the name of the other I liked 
sonic cliff
brisk axle
winter python
Happy Onda and Taeyang Day 
halcyon moth
and Gayoon
split prairie
Really great video editing breakdown of the Wannabe M/V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gw4keGYEwM
Also, I love this song more every time I listen to it
split prairie
I hope he does more kpop breakdowns like this.
odd tapir
i like AZODi
split prairie
me too
i like watching reaction of professionals in a related field. So producers, vocal trainers, video editors, musicians, etc.
As opposed to 'zomg my bias come thruuuu' reactors
sonic cliff
same, I prefer it when they can tell me something I didn't know or missed
split prairie
classical musicians reacts is my favorite, I think. I like when they break down the concepts. When I hear what's happening I finally understand why a certain part of a song makes me feel that way
sonic cliff
lol, they're one of my favourites too. Even though I don't fully understand all the technical terms they use sometimes 
split prairie
Don't feel bad, lol. I play an instrument and don't get them all. I do pause the video to look it up, though. They started adding in descriptions lately, so that's cool.
They can identify a structure by hearing it. I can't, but I know what they mean most of the time. So they'll be like "did they modulate? no, just a parallel major" and I'll be like, ohhh that's why it made me happy.
simple karma
i also watch classical musicians and feel the same as u gutter lol
still interesting to watch and hear them out though
feral topaz
gutter didn't you have something in your name some time ago?
simple karma
he did
sonic cliff
I'm starting to understand what they mean more and the extra info helps
simple karma
I trust Dystopia
sonic cliff
yeah
cursive belfry
Good albums
simple karma
sonic cliff
I wanted to change it but couldn't think of anything else so just back to normal
feral topaz
you can add nonstopnonstopnonstopnonstopnonstopnonstop
simple karma
waiting for momo teaser to change mine
worthy cradle
akgae
feral topaz
sounds good
worthy cradle
Jang Manwol is Jisoo?
simple karma
oh lol
cursive belfry
cursive belfry
Taco fake 
worthy cradle
He doesn't even click on me :
feral topaz
worthy cradle
simple karma
cursive belfry
Can someone get this man some moisty
worthy cradle
MOISTY
simple karma
insert moisty mp3
worthy cradle
simple karma
sonic cliff
worthy cradle
did you just puke the english queen?
split prairie
wow puking the inventor of the english language
worthy cradle
holy damn
simple karma
she's looking like a ceo of a company
split prairie
Damiani in the back kinda like "daaaam mami" and accurate
sonic cliff
split prairie
That's her walking out of her interview for SM CEO
simple karma
worthy cradle
she's the CEO of my heart
next lynx
split prairie
I just noticed something. Here's a screen from DC - Scream. Who does Dami look like here?
tribal cosmos
dami
elder musk
is jinny park from secret member the one who was apart of blackpink lineup but got removed ? 😮
peak fable
Yes
simple karma
yes she was in the "Future 2NE1" lineup
elder musk
oh damn she finally debuting
mild robin
i heard theres gonna be an indonesian girl in the group too
elder musk
ye
clever lintel
next lynx
twilit shoal
twice cb :aPES_PogHype:
@feral topaz
nayeon truly the ceo of my heart 
peak fable
nayeon truly the ceo of my heart :NayeonApprove1:
dense sage
Sana CEO of my heart
maiden laurel
worthy glacier
main canopy
dense sage
i just wow
sonic cliff
astral gyro
clever lintel
winter python
pretty much everyone here does
tribal cosmos
tbh I dont know what koop is
west haven
I love koop as well
limber dome
koop best
west haven
clever lintel
winter python
main canopy
trail lotus
winter python
clever lintel
we love bighit
green jay
I thought it was just a rumor a nctzen made up, since they already apologized for it
clever lintel
winter python
why cancel bts when they begin enlisting this year or early next
tribal cosmos
why cancel bts for going out
maiden laurel
Meanwhile SM & Pledis are still trying to figure out who in NCT and SVT is Jaehyun and Mingyu
clever lintel
Twitter
ember ice
not gonna happen
clever lintel
Twitter
simple karma
tribal cosmos
god that pink hair on her suits her so much
simple karma
True
dull pecan
bruh wasn’t it legal to go out in Korea? Even if that dispatch shit is true it’s not like they did something illegal?
tribal cosmos
its legal but fans arent having it lol
tribal cosmos
just like the whole mino at the club situation
dull pecan
yeah even tho the club was closed n just had him and his friends btw
tribal cosmos
ah
dull pecan
I don’t understand.... it’s legal why r they being cancelled
simple karma
It was not even a club from latest reports lol
dull pecan
Fans jus salty they can’t be out and about cause they ain’t in Korea
simple karma
Cuz even though is legal, ppl should still not go out just in case
dull pecan
bruh it’s LEGAL if they go out n get corona it’s on them why do ppl have to cancel them like... let them be and see what happens lmao
ppl care way too much for the ppl they tryna cancel
clever lintel
dispatch
odd tapir
people sell their photos to them
dull pecan
lmao imagine tho
The tables turn
Dispatch expecting the netizens to whine bout the idols but the netizens angry at dispatch for being out
why people ain’t canceling the ppl who been out taking photos of idols to sell to dispatch
Clown shit
odd tapir
i like how fans are now calling for keeping idols private life private after their oppa got caught
simple karma
When I saw the tweet I was like: why is mes tweeting this lol
clever lintel
they are hanging out as friends 
what a crime
winter python
mes dispatch confiermed 
winter python
97 line best line
worthy viper
clever lintel
winter python
simple karma
We love Covid line 
winter python
chen's child is covid line
winter python
chen cancelled by 7 people 
clever lintel
odd tapir
everyone shit on mino, let them get the same heat
dull pecan
i get it but let that shit happen on twitter and pann where the noodle brains live
winter python
going outside with friends is a crime now 
dull pecan
we here on discord are educated
worthy viper
are we
clever lintel
worthy viper
imagine caring enough
clever lintel
fr
dull pecan
all these ppl worried bout people going out and shit why can’t they just worry bout their damn selves.
We in the middle of a global crisis and they first thought is “oMmG I GoTtA tAkE the CHanCe To CANceL tHeSe IdoLs!!!!”
Man worry bout yourself getting rona first
winter python
keyboard warriors 
dull pecan
omg canceltaco2020
worthy viper
tacoisoverparty
winter python
#tacoisoverparty
limber dome
tacoisoverparty
dull pecan
#tacoisoverparty
insert irrelevant fancam
winter python
where did you go with this friend taco 
simple karma
dull pecan
LMAO y’all seen the “proof” pic dispatch used
Some blurry pic of a guy lookin nothing like any one of them
green jay
There are no pictures though
winter python
apologizing for going out with friends
worthy cradle
In the actual context well yeah
clever lintel
idk why they apologized for a normal thing but I guess its better for pr
lets see what fantagio says about eunwoo
winter python
lets see if sm and pledis say anything too
simple karma
Quarantine is officially over in korea right or?
clever lintel
ye idk about them cause bighit and fantagio said they investigating or whatever
ember ice
It’s apologising for going out during quarantine
can you not read
Korea only opened up 1 or 2 weeks ago
or did yg blind your ability to read properly this morning
tribal cosmos
wtf
simple karma
If they opened how are they still in quarantine. That's why I'm asking.
simple karma
Ah I see. Mb then
peak fable
odd tapir
they reopened, clubs opened at the same time during the holiday, then there was an outbreak
that was like mid april
worthy cradle
This little group is amazing btw
The girls in the clubs they were must be dead as of now
simple karma
Clad jealous of the girls
odd tapir
the cluster started at the gay clubs
worthy cradle
Itaewon is basically a club neighbor
worthy cradle
My boy is not dumb
odd tapir
covid incubation period is 2 weeks
worthy cradle
winter python
Now just for sm
winter python
All 4 accounted for pog
clever lintel
what a group tho jk eunwoo mingyu and jaehyun 
wanton timber
brisk summit
Actually a joke that they have to come out an apologise lmaooo
feral sun
but on the other hand
mino was slaughtered for the same thing
while with jk armys saying dispatch was invading his privacy
brisk summit
its stupid that any of them got slaughtered for it
feral sun
i agree
trail lotus
mino wasn't even at a club either
just a guest house
they should hunt the employees at dispatch and see if they social distance
brisk summit
It was okay for everyday normal people to do it but god forbid idols do it......
feral sun
just shows how hypocritical people are tbh
trail lotus
dispatch is just bored
trail lotus
they have nothing to report on
brisk summit
It was never even a full lockdown as well
clever lintel
international people should be worried about their own countries doing worse than korea rather than focus on what idols are doing 
brisk summit
^^
feral sun
pep that should apply to literally any situation in kpop imo
especially this and the cultural appropriation bullshit
clever lintel
fierce rain
next lynx
next lynx
fierce rain
More & more composed by zara larsson
ember ice
meh bridge
fierce rain
next lynx
peak fable
people on twt defending 97 line so much
same people who threw mino under the bus
for the same thing
clever lintel
drama is very good song too 
brisk summit
Fucking lockdown has people going more loko than usual
ember ice
zara and julia michaels poggies
clever lintel
this txt album is pre good
simple karma
prime dune
Jinny mf park
peak fable
dis
next lynx
simple karma
How many paks did anysong do
simple karma
feral sun
a lot
peak fable
feral sun
Twitter
green jay
Twitter
next lynx
peak fable
green jay
Twitter
random violet
why did txt designers copy eg logo
fierce rain
how dare they
rigid cosmos
Graphic design is their passion
worthy cradle
txt song is really good
fierce rain
Dahyun live rn
worthy cradle
solemn furnace
Happy taeyang day
honest hinge
I'm watching Sixteen for the first time and it's kinda mind blowing that Somi is only 14 in that show.
fierce rain
Natty also
honest hinge
Yeah, but she and Natty have 1 year age difference but look like they are 4 years apart
honest hinge
Somi could pass off as same age as Nayeon in some scenes
But seeing Natty, Somi and Chaeryeong dancing along to JYP's "who's your mama" was kinda weird lol
plain monolith
https://twitter.com/eulooped/status/1262357782088597505 Happy Onda and (almost) E:U day!
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salty cause it didn't bang that hard haha
fierce rain
Everyone covering that song is weird
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