Rework of Threatening, and Hacking, Less Luck Reliance

[uneven remnant]

So "threaten" is a chance thing, its affected by a impresively high amount of things, but its still chance, what if instead, NPCs had a "unthreatenable" threshold that needed to be passed for threats to work, and they gain this based on their class, stats, security, whatever, while its hidden if its going to work or not its now a consistent thing,
New traits and tools could also apply to other chance based things, for example

Hacking

trapped doors having security tiers that dictate how much they take, the option to fail a disarm on purpose, and maybe base it on a small hacking minigame where you have to complete a extremely small "dont touch the dots" puzzle while the "doing something" bar is active, and traits like "nimble fingers" would trigger after you completed it rather than just reducing your time, this would make it a far more interactive system rather than a coin toss.
more traits could have effects on chance (now not chance) actions

[languid folio]

Matt said no minigames >:(

And rather than an unthreatenable level, I think having things be chances based with a guaranteed threat threshold depending on the class would be betterer

[uneven remnant]

i, dont, care,

[kindred bay]

I agree with the threatening part.

[leaden river]

Trap doors and crushers are hard enough to use in the first place unless you have the layout of every chunk in the game memorized and the entire building is on your screen

[kindred bay]

fr

[spare lynx]

I don't get this decision at all. Minigames were an essential aspect of a lot of beat em ups. It's like he called it arcade style just because it has pixel graphics, and has given that influence short shrift ever since.

Like, there are Operating Bars for many actions where all you do is stand there and wait for it to finish. That's a perfect place to put a microgame for hacking, lockpicking, etc.

[royal crown]

Weren't beat em up minigames mostly like, minigames you perform with regular controls

[languid folio]

Yeah, like car bashing

Or wall breaking

[royal crown]

Yeah

[languid folio]

I agree that the no minigames thing kinda sucks in the case of arcade cabinets, but I understand why Matt doesn't want to make us play an Among Us style minigame every time we deactivate a turret

And if you want the classic SF minigame, we already have TinyBuild tweets of punching cars kekw

[royal crown]

I find it hard to believe there's minigames with seperate controls and a popup ot whatnot in arcade games because their whole goal was to be simple but extremely difficult

[languid folio]

Note: Arcade cabinets as in the in-game item

Not "oh nooo, I wish my Street Fighter came with a copy of Galaga too"

Also mfw no cooking mama minigame

[royal crown]

I would prefer a solution to the problem that meshes into the game world over a minigame because it leads to more systemic interactions

[languid folio]

Wire layer when

Give us Watch_Dogs circuit vision

[royal crown]

That's why my suggestion for "fishing" was a foghorn you could blow near bodies of water to summon fishmen to fight

[languid folio]

My shitty idea was that fish are just normal NPCs that you have to fight (or otherwise disable, like sleeps/traps) lmao

Fishing rods deal 100 damage

Boombox to lure them in before you hit 'em with the ghost gibber

[royal crown]

Yeah the alternative would be keeping the fishmen in water all the time
But a way to summon them I think is a good idea

[languid folio]

Ambient fish + fishman transformation and summoning item/ritual

https://tenor.com/view/fish-walking-terraria-incredible-phenomonal-gif-18349117

[royal crown]

The reason that I didn't go that route is because I felt it either made water way too dangerous or fishing fights really boring

[languid folio]

Alternatively, Spore style fishing

[uneven remnant]

yes?
the connect dots minigame fuctions as a grid, is perfectly regular control working

[spare lynx]

I don't remember this from Spore

[uneven remnant]

this is how iji did it if i remenber right

they gave you a like, very short timer so solve them and it did not break the phase

[languid folio]

Yo this hacking gameplay is fire

[uneven remnant]

dont shit talk it till you try it

also again is sorta quick reaction time based since you have to do it very quickly

[languid folio]

It just keeps getting worse

[uneven remnant]

also i want SOMETHING

"woah this hacking is awesome, it truly makes me feel like im doing stuff"

[languid folio]

The time factor exists for balance purposes, not to be fun

Minigames wouldn't be fun, they'd be tedious

[uneven remnant]

says you

because you CLEARLY played Obscure Indie Game Iji from 2008 and found the cracking mechanic annoying

ima be honest the problem is not minigames

is the minigames themselfs and their design

the reason why fallout minigames are bad is not because they are minigames, is just that they are bad

[languid folio]

I'm not doing this every time I want to run a fridge

This isn't even worldchanging design or anything

[uneven remnant]

probably not on fridges but yes computers

also nice youy are checkin out Iji :D

small victory for my evil plan

[languid folio]

No, I don't play metroidvanias

[uneven remnant]

its not a metroidvania

but ok

[kindred bay]

metroidvanias are fire

[hazy dagger]

fast & simple minigames > randomness
Yes