#Rules Suggestion - prohibe tech war.

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pure blade
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What is a tech war ?
When someone think the technologies he use is better than other one, and want at any price, convert people (eg. : C++ is better than C#, Riders is better than Visual Studio, Blender is better than maya...)

Why
This is a common pollution on this discord, people who do this are mostly student or fresh new developer who are super excited about their tech, and it's fine, but they need to understand people use the tech they have for X reason, and when they try to look for help, they don't want to debate two days on why they use this tech. You have the answer : fine, give it, you don't ? move on.

Caution : suggesting someone a tech, is not a bad behaviour, i really focus people who turn this personal, cause i'm personally very tired to see this kind of discussion every day.

rich pollen
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Can you give an example

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what I mostly see is people just shooting the shit and giving the 3 main options that are used in UE development

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never seen someone going on a holy war for their IDE or something

pure blade
rich pollen
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I see, I hang mostly in #cpp myself, so don't know about other channels 😄

pure blade
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it's happen mostly everyday, on different chan. Yeah, i guess some channel are less exposed to those issue. C++ most common fight is IDE and i always see it with some humor so i guess it's okay, and not the main focus of this suggestion.

I'm maybe a bit too old, but, i think those kind of debate doesn't bring anything to this discord tbh.

near quail
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tech war is healthy

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we need to discuss arguments

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factual and backed.

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stoping this would be like stopping doctors from telling their patients to take medicine...

vapid veldt
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I'm sorry but Incredibuild is indeed utter crap.

rich pollen
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is it though?

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where does this opinion come from

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Splash Damage uses it if I recall correctly from UnrealFest

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can't be that bad

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there's also FASTBuild as a free alternative, never used it though

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you're just proving their point at this point though tbh 😛

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just saying something is crap, no further context

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idk what mods or something could really do about this though

soft isle
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That easy: C++/Vim =====> anything else (c#, go, rider, etc.)

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But tbh, hardly anything to be done. The general rule is "be respectful"

wide bane
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I've literally never seen anyone go beyond "banter" when it comes to programs of choice.

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Except maybe the vim guy a few months ago.

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But that was mostly people taking the piss out of him, that wasn't good.

pure blade
# near quail stoping this would be like stopping doctors from telling their patients to take ...

Hum, i don't think so :

First of all, most of the people who work in industry, doesn't have the choice of the tool.
Secondly, i don't think people who ask for a specific thing around unreal eco system, want as answer a debate.
And in a third : i don't understand the relation with medicine, in the worst case, this is a personal choice. If people want to use what you think a bad choice, let them use.

If the question is not "hey guys, what is the best solution between this and this", the answer should never be "Hey, don't use your thing, use mine". It's a waste of time/energy. Also sometime make channel really hard to read, and nothing more frustrating when you search for a solution, and you find a sterile debate.

pure blade
# rich pollen Splash Damage uses it if I recall correctly from UnrealFest

To quote this, there is not only splash damage, epic also use incredibuild, ubisoft, activision, capcom, ninja theory...

But the question is not : should we use it or no.
People have different feedback and it's totally fine, it's like a lot of thing over the web. Some love, some hate (I suspect the high price of Incredibuild is mostly the first argument for a lot of people), just, sorry, let people use what they want, and don't try to bring ego in the discussion.

near quail
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getting people to advice you things is not an issue at all

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and about the people who cant use other tools

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they are still allowed to talk about it ok

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i think you will have a really big problem finding people who share this opinion

pure blade
near quail
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you cant do anything about that

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we have rules here sure

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but they will not permit stubborness

pure blade
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Actually you can, try to have this kind of discussion of unreal official forums, and a moderator will ask you to stay pro (and this is, imo, a good thing).

near quail
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we do that here too

pure blade
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it's simple : answer to the question if you can/want. If you don't want/can't, just don't go on a ego war (cause tech war is mostly ego war, sorry).

near quail
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do you have a specific recent example

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in chat

pure blade
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i dropped one above about incredibuild.

rich pollen
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I mean people can always just give their opinion, this is just a chat platform

pure blade
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who is the last happening to me, and is pretty clear i think.

rich pollen
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would be wild to ban someone or something just because they say something that is not directly answering your question

near quail
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what was wrong in that example

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it looks very chill

pure blade
rich pollen
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what is it that you want then

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I get your point that it annoys you, but what action would you expect to be taken

pure blade
rich pollen
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There are rules to stay on topic and be respectful

near quail
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what vim guy

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😮

rich pollen
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if you think they are being violated ping the mods

near quail
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did i miss something

pure blade
# near quail what was wrong in that example

Two thing :
A) this is (sorry) but totally incorrect about incredibuild, and lead to confusion for people who search information later.
B) bring absolutely nothing.

The goal here is just to improve the quality of the discussion on this discord. After if i'm alone to look for this, well... i think i will be force to stick with.

pure blade
near quail
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you know that what you want todo will need the mods to take drastic action in every channel

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that is impossible

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and having mods fact check things now

pure blade
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You think ?

near quail
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is also horrible

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the mods are here to keep the peace

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and to prevent harmful things

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but they are not magicians

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a spammer can keep a link in here of up to 10 minutes...

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unless someone is instantly online

pure blade
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i didn't say they are, i just point out the fact (or at least, for me it's a fact) that, tech war, bring nothing : no valuable info, no answer, and most of a the time, it's an ego battle of dev who just want to convince other people their tech, is the best tech.

near quail
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then call them out

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on their facts

pure blade
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but i think we are running in a circle.

near quail
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you cant change a stubborn person

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and making the mods take sides now...

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this is impossible to execute

wide bane
wide bane
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Where discussion and arguments are allowed. Childish or not. As long as they don't go over the line.

wide bane
# near quail what vim guy

Some guy was asking about something and we discovered he was using Vim to write his UE code. Most of #cpp proceeded to mock his choice of IDE, while he vehemently exclaimed how he'd set it up to be the most awesome IDE in the universe for UE.

near quail
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so

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people attacked him

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and he defended himself

wide bane
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Him and Vim.

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Mostly Vim to be fair.

soft isle
near quail
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light banter...

wide bane
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It was a bit more than light. 😛

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But it was an extreme example.

torpid otter
gusty grail
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If things are already getting toxic and turning to insults without any real discussion then it's already against the rules. Why would we need a specific ban on this?

pure blade
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My point is it's borderline, bring nothing more than lost time for everybody, and bad discussions, not enough to be striked by actual rules, but enough to be annoying.
It's a bit like if game dev turn political.

gusty grail
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If people want to discuss tools, let them. There's zero reason to ban it unless the discussions get out of hand.

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If you don't want to participate because you see it as being a waste of time then don't participate.

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We banter about IDEs a lot in cpp and while it absolutely does sometimes get out of hand most of the time it's done in good fun. Hell, people discover new features and tools as a result of if too - someone complaining about missing a feature in one IDE usually leads others to discovering it.
As long as people aren't getting legitimately angry about these things then who cares.

foggy knot
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A tech war can be healthy, well not a war

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if someone says "hey how do i do 'X' in X, then sometimes it is appropriate to direct them somewhere that can solve the issue more effectively

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like saying "how do i do runtime mesh deformation on the landscape" it would be more appropriate to suggest voxel plugin for example

fleet valley
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keep everything as quads

true falcon
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I'd just like to say the feedback forums have been an excellent source of entertainment.

10/10 Great use of the forum feature.

gloomy lintel
gilded niche
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Why do you even care just ignore what you don't like

pure blade
# gilded niche Why do you even care just ignore what you don't like

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Sorry, but this is the worst take i ever read.
You can apply this to literally everything, even offence, and... even worst thing but i won't go on a godwin point 😄

For obvious reasons, no, in life, and in any form of community, you just don't "ignore" what you don't like.

gilded niche
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well good luck

rich pollen
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side note, is prohibe a word?

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isn't it prohibit?

pure blade
rich pollen
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me neither

pure blade
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I mean, i do a lot of mistake, and my apologies for that.

foggy knot
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If it isnt a word it should be