#Example Projects

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raven frigate
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Gimme a week

spring mantle
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so CPP would be moved to a single thread within the Programming Forum, and nothing would really change, but it would allow us to easily expand the programming languages channels without greatly inflating the channels list

Along with other generic topics (like programming) that have several subdivisions within them

Example: Animation Forum
with permanent threads like Control Rig, Retargeting, Sequencer, Animgraph, etc etc etc
and user's not having the ability to create new threads

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Could be a DCC Forum, and each of fhe external DCC tools gets their own permanent thread
Sample Projects could be a Forum, and each getting their own thread, Including Lyra
Audio forum with quartz, metasound, sound cues, DMX, etc etc being threads
Geometry or something being a Forum, and geometry scripting, Modeling Mode, Landscape sculpting, Nanite, etc etc being threads,

Etc Etc Etc

I really like that for forums at least, when i post in a thread, that thread is now shown in the channel listings on the left side of the screen, and threads I haven't posted in, don't, really would clean up the channel list appearance wise, and be easier for me to see which channels (in this case threads) that I'm actually interested in, have posting in them, and since they'll be more specific, I can really drill down into the niche's I have expertise on

serene cliff
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Hi just an outsider here, I see a lot of talk about splitting some channels into forums... With epic's new revamp to their forums. How would it benefit unreal users over just posting on the actual forum, wouldn't the new forums created for unreal slackers kind of feel like stepping on epics toes a little bit?

haughty grail
serene cliff
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@haughty grail do you want me to be honest, I'm an advanced user and most of my issues I've only ever found solutions for on the official forums...i come here to help newer users and socialize.

haughty grail
serene cliff
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Yeah, most are also asking questions related to very basic "my first day in unreal" materials... Every day over and over...a forum of that would require heavy moderation to keep it from being flooded with the same as you currently have here. That's just my 2 cents.

haughty grail
haughty grail
serene cliff
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Contained in the discord or an actual forum?

haughty grail
serene cliff
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That might work... But i feel it would be the same results... Because even in cpp you sometimes get flooded with "first day" posting

haughty grail
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Some users consider active channels to be "flooded", so Discord forums solve their issue with messages getting buried.

Other users (like me) consider that "flooding" to be a feature because it means there are people to talk to that are active. Personally I want to talk with somebody now... not get follow up questions a week later if you're lucky like in our inactive channels (like #slate )

haughty grail
serene cliff
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Yeah it has its pros and cons... I don't mind so much the flooding because it allows me to cherry pick what I want to help with and usually find the people that have done the initial steps of searching for their solution... Just not when it's blatant that they never tried to even Google or search this discord first

haughty grail
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and people like me will stop hanging out if it becomes a ghost town due to slow message speeds...
How many people are like me? I dunno but it seems most of the people who answer questions in #cpp only do so because they were already hanging out

serene cliff
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Well hopefully they find the solution that improves things

spring mantle
# haughty grail and people like me will stop hanging out if it becomes a ghost town due to slow ...

From your perspective, what will change if CPP becomes a single thread in a Programming Forum where user's can't create threads, is it not effectively the same thing we have now, except now we can easily support the many other languages without crowding up the server channel list? (purely on the concept of creating a general topic forum, like Programming, and then it's threads created by admins and users unable to create more threads, effectively the threads acting like Opt-in Channels)

haughty grail
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would the less active "sub-channels"/threads get "archived" as Older Posts?

spring mantle
# haughty grail I'm not sure tbh, would it make searching harder? would it make notification cus...

From what I can tell, it would not make searching harder, as the messages are still searchable like any channel. The threads act like an Opt-In type of thing, even in your channel list, however, I haven't experimented with the notification system in general for discord, other than muting everyone and everything all the time, except for particular pings, like Mod ping and direct pings to my name.

spring mantle
haughty grail
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oh ok yeh I'm still not 100% on what options you guys have available

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this is the only forum channel I have even used

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but it sounds like there wouldn't be any concerns that I can think of

spring mantle
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don't get me wrong, the forum feature still needs love and more features from discord, but in it's current state, it could address a fair amount of pain points, with little risk from what i can tell

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like, pinning is still a pain in the ass

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and the limited number of tags (20 now, they upped it from 10) limits the feature as well

haughty grail
spring mantle
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but, those things should increase in capability

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well, the new bots, Manny and Quinn 2.0 will be launching soon

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and users can easily suggest questions and answers from users to be added to the /question command on Manny

haughty grail
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yeh I'm excited to see this in action

spring mantle
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which will continously build up a Q/A feature

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so hopefully, most of the daily questions of repetitive nature will be solved by the bot

haughty grail
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it will be nice to have an internal reference to point to

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some people will not look if they have to leave Discord

spring mantle
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and these Q/A's that the bot has, can be put online on our website as well to be google searchable

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might consider having an FAQ locked channel that Manny posts these Q/A's in, as a visual catalog of them, ordered by date of entry

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I wish discord had personal pins, so user's could pin messages they find valuable

haughty grail
haughty grail
dawn beacon
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After reading through the "Discord Forums and You" post, it was mentioned to bring up ideas in separate posts. This is regarding the back n' forth that was going on in the feedback channel before about having a channel for example projects.

Maybe the forums would be a good place to try it out? Just a thought. I don't have a dog in the fight.

ivory bear
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What would #example-projects encompass?

dawn beacon
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Oh - the stuff like Lyra/ShootGame, etc...

ivory bear
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I suppose Lyra would be one?

icy swift
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(ive been pushing for a lyra channel haha)

dawn beacon
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I know it was hotly debated, so it's why I brought it up.

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But like I said, I don't have a dog in the fight.

ivory bear
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The trouble I see with this type of "Catch-All" channel is that you will actually see people get frustrated because all manner of questions will be asked.

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Because there is no inherent restriction on content

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Like how our other channels are structured

crimson ginkgo
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I'm still against project specific channels :/

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But I mean, with forums we could maybe have a catch all one. With the big downside that Matt already mentioned

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However. Depending on how we implement the new forums, something like a Programming Forum could already open the door for more topics that previously would require us to make new channels

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Sadly there seems to be a restriction on tag numbers...

tight inlet
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Tbh what forums provide is more accessibility to the previous messages and topic specificity. So instead of programming forum etc. we could use this feature for recent events like release of UE5, bugs of new engine versions, Lyra, Mass etc.

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Someone posts an useful info in #packaging (#packaging message) and it's really helpful. But no one ever see it. Forums can help about this situation

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And my opinion is we should exclude troubleshooting from forums, otherwise whats the reason to keep other channels

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We have professionals about almost everything from UMG/Slate to Niagara in this channel. We could have
Lyra - UMG
Lyra - Niagara
Lyra - GAS
Lyra - Audio
channels and people can discuss these specific things and share knowledge

crimson ginkgo
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Troubleshooting Q/A Channels are the main thing we want to replace with Forums.

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Just so we are on the same page.

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Right now, going into, e.g. #blueprint and asking a question means:

  • You might post in between 1+ other Discussions.
  • Your question might be spammed away by those Discussions.
  • Multiple People talk about multiple problems at once.
  • Conversations can't be viewed as a single set of responses, requiring one to read through lots and lots of messages that might not even have anything todo with the original question.
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Using Forum:

  • Each question would turn into a Forum Post.
  • People discussing Question #1 won't interrupted Question #2.
  • Conversations about Question #X can be viewed as a single set of responses.
  • Finding a specific key-word via the Search will lead to a full Post with all info in one place.
  • Users can cherry pick questions based on their title and tags.
  • Users can filter by the tags too.
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There are a lot of benefits of turning the Support and Troubleshooting channels into Forum Channels.

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And about Lyra: Lyra - UMG, Lyra - Niagara and what not can all go into their respective non-Lyra channels.

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There is no harm asking about Lyra UMG stuff in #umg for example.

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I would not want to cut this into multiple channels that are about the same things

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There are also a lot more projects than Lyra, which means we would need to support even more.

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I think it's not reasonable to have 4+ different UMG Channels in total

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(as an example)

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we could use this feature for recent events like release of UE5
I'm worried the Auto Archive feature might be a problem for using Forums for Events.

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But maybe I'm mistaken in what you mean with events

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Would it be like #events or do you mean a temporary place to discuss an ongoing event?

crimson ginkgo
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Someone posts an useful info in packaging (#packaging message) and it's really helpful. But no one ever see it.
We usually pin this stuff to the channels (if we ignore the existence of Forum Channels).
With Forum Channels, it's a bit tricky. You can pin stuff per Post, but not per Channel.
You can pin ONE SINGLE Forum Post per Channel. The idea was to have a common resources Forum Post at the top (of whatever Forum Channel we end up having), that is read only, which acts like the pins we have now.

tight inlet
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Troubleshooting Q/A Channels are the main thing we want to replace with Forums.
Noooo 😐
Not sure how would that help at all, personally I'm using discord because of it's non-forum / non-blog architecture. Since you also familiar with #cpp and #multiplayer channels, you might notice many people at there not willing to waste much time to answers ambigious/vague questions and request a certain definition of problem. If we create forums for questions, it will add extra layer of navigation towards the question and people would have to discover posts on their own to answer them.

In my opinion, this decision would transfer the burden of answering questions to experienced people. I'm against this. Mostly because more or less I know the nature of #cpp, which is one of the most active and critical channels in this server.
I think the one who is asking questions should try to make it's question more definitive and certain to get better help, and should be responsible for it's own question.

But that doesn't mean I'm trying to say we shouldn't use forums at all. I'm just saying we should use it for very specific things, and the feature should be effectively moderated. People can use this feature for knowledge-sharing rather than trobuleshooting. Maybe what I'm trying to mean is forums can replace "pinned messages."

That's at least my opinion, hopefully one way or another the decision can be helpful to community

tight inlet
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It could be a nice forum post, instead of a channel

crimson ginkgo
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@icy swift has very specific plans of turning programming channels into forums.

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We probably won't strive away from this.

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But we can obviously agree to disagree on this.

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Once more details are discussed and known, we can probably share some sort of "plan" so people can discuss if that makes sense.

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But yeah, for us, Forums are the main thing that would replace Support Channels.
The only thing we still try to figure out is what to do with the normal social channels, because sometimes one just wants to dive into random discussions about cpp, without the need of a forum post

tight inlet
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I'd say you guys should also collaborate with most active people around programming channels then. I'm just a random person compared to them, but there are people literally carrying the channel's Q/A activity and if this decision would make them less active in the channel, dislike the new order, how would that help the community?

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Lorash, Jambax, GlassBeaver, HoJo, Tank, Dieter etc. (and many more) a few people answering probably %80 of the questions

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If they wouldn't use forums, whats the point

crimson ginkgo
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Roy's idea was to split this into two Forums. One for the Support, where users can create posts.
One for Social, where Moderators Create Posts (users can't), which would be a cpp post, a blueprint post etc., and inside it would be the normal free roaming discussion. Basically like a collapsed category to get the channel list a bit smaller.

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But that's just theory atm

crimson ginkgo
tight inlet
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Sure, just sharing my opinion. If it works well, I'll be happy too

crimson ginkgo
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For all we know, it might also make more people engage in actually helping

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Without trying it, we won't have any stats

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But I hear you and I will bring it up when we discuss it.

tight inlet
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Thanks

blazing mauve
crimson ginkgo
blazing mauve
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Yea

haughty grail
tight inlet
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The list doesnt matter, someone searched your messages on #cpp couldnt exclude you 😄

haughty grail
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Anyway, I made a post about this in the thread bout Lyra:
#970067961345896488 message
...but the same idea could work for a more general "example-projects" forum.

Just make 1 thread per Project/Feature combo and make it so only mods can make new threads (if that's a thing, I'm still not sure if that permission exists)

I think that would be a good fit for fixed topics like this.

I still think the general topic help (for things like c++) should be chat and not forums though.