I got swarm to work, but I had to completely disable Bit Defender.. it's so paranoid it stops X Normal and other tools from working, sigh.
#aec-visualization
royal osprey
cinder oriole
Is there a way to host a project on a website or VM so people/clients can test it without havin to download ?
royal osprey
yes
you can export a "game" as WebGL
there is still a download on their end, but it's automatic and you don't have to send an exe, just a link.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/mozilla-games/ZenGarden/EpicZenGarden.html <-- an example, didn't work on chrome but works on firefox
cinder oriole
@dann#6226 the server needs to have something special? or just need the storage space
royal osprey
I haven't tested unreal, I did test a unity game once, I uploaded it to itch.io for testing and it worked fine just having the files there.
brisk oracle
I had the problem that the project size was too large. Needs some optimization in the project
mystic marsh
brisk oracle
For testing purposes if you launch the project as html5, the editor starts a local web server that you can use to test it.
onyx shard
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/
For run html5 UE4 games
cyan ether
cinder oriole
What u guys think? constructive feedback would b appreciated!
dusk pelican
what are the ceiling light sources? doesn't seem to be any fittings modelled
cinder oriole
there are some but the border is "white plastic"
solemn hawk
@cinder oriole try adding some direct shadows from outside, currently the scene lacks natural light, I'd also look at dimming down the light sources in the ceiling/eliminating the "overflow" lighting
I'd also try fixing the carpet to remove the stains, it's good practice, looks like you're using the one from the epic demo
cinder oriole
@solemn hawk ty im indeed using that same carpet heheh i have a question on a workflow for archviz, the "sun" its facin the fafacade since it looks quite dark when i tried putting it from behind i think thats why i added that many lights to the interior u whink i should work exteriors and interior in diferent levels? or what would u do?
solemn hawk
adjust the exposure instead of lighting
I always use accurate lighting (hard in unreal currently because of non standard lighting mesaurements (this will be fixed in 4.19)) and adjust the camera exposure if a scene is too dark
also, use the skylight, for baked scenes I change the lower hemisphere lighting from black to white to give more even global illumination, also if you haven't already add a skylight portal to your window
cinder oriole
i did i used.portals in all the windows and mm i think i have a skylight just dont remwmber if it is static or starionary
ll play witg the exposure i disabled the auto because it was washin the colors
what about nightshots? i tried to look for lumens and kelvin but im not 100 something looks off
cyan ether
wow, beautiful work dude
tip: stick a 360 pano on google photos, it will wizard it into a sphere viewable on the web
dino's advice is good. in vray interior projects i had similar problems with interior lighting making the visuals unaesthetic. then i fou d over time the more natural sun and sky from outside made it look so much nicer. balance it so 80% of your light comes from outside, boost up your skylight intensity and 5 bounce it, 20% interior lights, sky bg can go brighter too
what you have now is similar to a twilight scene, just darker and bluer sky i guess
light grey rug could really help things if you're allowed
cinder oriole
Thank you for all the feedback i will implement all of them in the upcoming project since that one takes freakin forever to build the light!
if i were lookin to apply for an internship or something like that u guyhs happend to know where should i look?
brisk oracle
Hm, is using a custom intensity for global illumination in post processing a good thing to do if one wands to emulate natural lightning or no?
solemn hawk
Think of post process as camera settings
brisk oracle
Hm, so far I tried to have it as perfect as possible without changing it, but I am not sure if going high skylight or directional light intensities is the way to go, or keep them low, if possible, and crank up that option (or exposure) instead.
cyan ether
i hiked mine up, seems to have done what i wanted anyway
i dont think the light preservation calcs are realiable enough like vray and corona to not 'cheat' with lighting
not for the moment, until i think 4.19
the outside of my building is bloomed af lol cause of all the energy im trying to pump in from the outside
gr33dy if you're happy going the arch route, theres plenty of building developers wanting what you got, or interior outfitters, i worked at spacelab and ibi, then modus. most of my skills are google style hipster office visuals
clear stag
@brisk oracle By all means, stay away from exposure to compensate for brightness
Exposure is too volatile to work with, and frankly, most of the time it works really awfully
brisk oracle
Yes, I usually try to stay away from it, but also the approach to crank up skylight and directional light to bump more light into the house/appartment doesn't always work that nicely, especially it gets way to bright outside (as johnline also mentioned). But as with exposure, I guess also messing with GI is only the last resort, right?
cyan ether
+-1EV is ok, what you want to avoid is the exposure giving you false representations of whats really going on, or you're forever tweaking mtls and lights etc
brisk oracle
Yeah, I usually try to stay with 0.
Or at least now I do. My first scenes, not so much.
cyan ether
even games do it, it simulates that sun straining your eyes when going outside, quite realistic once you get the adaptation swift enough
dense ginkgo
cinder oriole
hey guys anyone have rented a swarm ? have any idea about pricing?
mellow crater
Hi everyone, I have sort of a general question. I'm a computer science student who works part time at the chair of computer science in architecture of my university. We are planning to develop a framework for architects and planners to design and evaluate public buildings like hospitals, offices etc. Essentially buildings that are used by multiple distinct user groups.
The general idea is that an architect can design a building in Revit, import it into our framework (built in Unreal Engine), conduct tests on performance (experience per user group) using VR (for user studies) and/or AI for simulations and use the gathered information to make informed changes to the design.
This project will be open source and hostet on either Bitbucket or GitHub.
I wanted to use this discord to see if I could get some sort of discussion going on how to go about such a task and maybe get some pointers of people who might have done or are doing something similar.
dusty gyro
@wursteimer#0412 hey, you might want to register for the Datasmith beta. Sadly you will still need to use a 3d modelling program (3ds max) to add your revit projects into UE4, but in the long term Datasmith will have a revit addin to synchronise your models directly.
mellow crater
@dusty gyro yeah I registered for datasmith beta a month ago or so. still no invite sadly 😦
attended the archviz webinars too
dusty gyro
argh 😦
cyan ether
the arch vis character doesn't seem to have a blueprint, which is limiting my ability to make interaction in my level
i love its smooth movement, but wondering how some other guys more far along with interaction did theirs
cyan ether
oh nice, this helped me a lot to get what i need, the bp creation part, and the camera part are important
cyan ether
crouchin and jumping now
cinder oriole
@cyan ether whats the diference between an arch vis character and a normal fps character? beside the weapon and arms
cyan ether
just the movement is a lot smoother, the rotation is dampened and the character moves slower
but with that comes a lack of jump and crouch
but i built those back in, by following that vid first ^
i managed to get linetraces to a button that played music in the building
tomorrow i'll try get mousewheel bound to character walk speed
cinder oriole
nice! i love workin with linetraces XD , i tried the archviz thing but dunno felt odd probably becasue im used to fps D:
u or anyone have some exterior shots or videos that wanna share?? im looking for ideas since i have no clue how to make a good realistic exterior shot in UE yet =/
cyan ether
still fiddling around with my non inventive beach home
with overpowering white exterior
cinder oriole
what uu think about this one
u have a shot around? besides the one with the wood piece
cinder oriole
aight! man exteriors are the only thing that makes me miss lumion xD easy as cake ad a bunch of trees some terrain sclupt, and u r done!
cyan ether
had a mate raving about luminon 8,sounds like they really stepped things up
I've never used it
cinder oriole
mmm it does what it says, creates good renders witin minutes. thats all nothing spectacular
the selling point to the firm was that it is easy and almost anyone can use it
so we decided to create the unreal team and we r stuck on exteriors xD im playing with height maps but dont know something looks off like the peaks or hills are too stiff
cyan ether
a lot use worldmachine first, then port the heightmap and terrain tex data over
you're lucky you got a work that is forward thinking enough to use ue4 for viz
cinder oriole
indeed they just needed to see a couple of uearchviz and some quick demo projects to agree its not hard to get good results, but ~great ! or stuning im finding that quite hard
but he wow factor its been working clients are dont know amazed they can actually experience their house or loft way before even get to live in it
lethal vigil
hi guys ineed some advice/workflow about gardening for archviz projects. some experiment with foliage tool for lawn grass..
There are 2 ways to go. one of the foliage mesh sizes reduce the size of the latter and increase the density. but in this way dynamic light can not be used due to FPS drops in the shadows. I do not even think of static bake. I use a moveable directional light setup with static skylight on stage. I am using static light architecture in interior and exterior lighting for dynamic light foliage lighting.
visual quality is good at the point I arrive, but I am having problems with shaping and filling. I could not figure out how to fill a single surface of a pattern, for example, square or cylinder, perfectly covering it. I also could not open the pathways in a smooth and smooth direction.
how can i improve that? any advice?
cinder oriole
@lethal vigil not an advice ha! but that grass looks very nice, is that one for sale? when i tried to use foliage and encounter that situation, i reduced the brush size and dont remember if i increased the density but that helped me to kinda fill some spots, still had to be very carefull because mesh went inside the house heheh
cyan ether
mellow crater
ooo tv!
lethal vigil
@cinder oriole it is not for sale as it is not ready for the moment. maybe in the future: D thx.
cyan ether
glossy delta
Been trying out some new things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np3Y0jOj_ks
cyan ether
he did it better :v
mellow crater
nah man, they both look great!
cinder oriole
whoho ! both great lookin projects 👌🏼
cinder oriole
have anyone managed to create a decent lawn/ shortgrass??
glossy delta
I've used the Archmodels from Evemotion grass in the past, can recommend it! https://evermotion.org/shop/show_product/archmodels-for-ue-vol-4/13204
@cinder oriole
Or you could create your own with the megascans grass atlases https://megascans.se/library?search=grass
It's still on sale for 50% off and really easy to setup imo
I've got some footage lying around somewhere of the grass gimme 2 sec
cinder oriole
That megascans thing looks really badass cant check right know but the round examples are materials? or meshes
glossy delta
Megascans is a must imo, really on top of the industry right now
glossy delta
I've been using substance source mainly, but going to switch to megascans in a week or two
cinder oriole
cinder oriole
nope im using advanced grass something its a free bp
cinder oriole
i set it to movable an i can barwly notice any change
glossy delta
And is it for a realtime project or just to render out a video?
glossy delta
I'm checking out the forum post of the blueprint, does look great indeed
cinder oriole
it does it takes sometime to tweak and some try and error but u can get nice results
u know how exactly make tje foliage mesh collide with anothermesh? mine goes tru the walls hah
glossy delta
This is a test render from a few months ago with the evermotion grass https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/AnguishedIllinformedGardensnake
No idea, I usually just paint the grass mannually on a landscape and uncheck bsp/meshes so it only spawns on the floor
It's tedious work from time to time
cinder oriole
ohhh ic im not using lanscapes atm since cant create any lifelike enviorement ha! but ill try that also that grass its like the coolor i want ;O
u said u using substance they provide meshes?
ive tried the free version but no grass mesh only textures
and parallax grass mm dont know doesnt look as nice
brisk oracle
The color is nice, but the grass stems look too thick on those screenshots.
cyan ether
wow
yep, grass and fur is my next obstacle
thanks for the namedrops
whats the free grass bp name?
glossy delta
cyan ether
thanko!
cinder oriole
@cyan ether yes! that one! sorry im 1v1in with openwrt x.x something worst than programming has to be working with network stuff
u got it working??
cyan ether
just been playing with a dynamic sky bp
i get sidetracked easy
lol yeah networking is way harder than it ever needed to be
acroynm hell... when they coulda just gone the extra effort and made explanations or hovers
cinder oriole
hahah i know the feelin im not playin with animations but i have 0 clue xD seems harder than 3ds max im just not sure if i should invest time in that right know im not a fan of using "extras" in projects
brisk oracle
If you need help with networking stuff, there I'm a bit better than with 3d stuff ;)
glossy delta
Gotta say for the networking... I've been making my servers in visual studio C#/C++ totally outside of unreal and connecting unreal through TCP connections with the free Socketer plugin https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/community-content-tools-and-tutorials/112836-socketer-free-tcp-socket-blueprint-plugin
Can recommend for simple networking purposes
brisk oracle
as he was talking about OpenWRT I hope he ment that kind of networking. No clue about networking in ue4, yet. 😃
cinder oriole
@brisk oracle Yes indeed i was talking about that kind of networking, i flashed an acces point to try OpenWRT and/or CucumberTony but i cant get it to work xD u have any experience with those firmwares?
brisk oracle
I am using dd-wrt on my Linksys WRT160NL. What's the problem? I will go off now,but I read tomorrow. Better whisper me to not "conterminate" the archviz channel ;)
grizzled nest
That's a nice looking death trap.
dusty gyro
@johnline#5681 very nice concept ! Although I would prolly not be at ease standing on it 😄
cyan ether
thx, they really exist! https://weburbanist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bloomframe-gif.gif
cyan ether
yo @cinder oriole @glossy delta did you by chance have issues with supergrass4 having black artefacts?
glossy delta
Nope, never seen that before
dreamy canyon
Hey
can you like combine maps in unreal
like different maps from different files?
or different assets
royal osprey
<-- wonders what kind of maps
brisk oracle
cinder oriole
@cyan ether sorry i was on vacations xD never seen that that ! btw that looks like a perfect round circle how did u achieved that??
cyan ether
i have patches of my new landscape i just made, completely unable to 'paint' foliage on them
cinder oriole
ohhh ic did fixed the black artifacts? the only problem i had was then lowered the wind height they turned black but adjusting the strengh i think was enought
cyan ether
thanks gr33dy, reading the thread they seemed to have the same issues until they made the bp interact with the grass in some way
jovial pilot
Hey! I'm using "Landscape Grass Type", but I couldn't find any way to use Affect Distance Field Lighting on them. I can handle it on Foliage Painting Tool, but it's not what I'm looking for. Is there anyone else who has an idea?
cinder oriole
No prob man, u modeled those scenes?? i need to keep practicing buit dont know if should start modeling or download the models xD
cyan ether
ya this one is years old, just to test datasmith. really coming along
cyan ether
opal parcel
hey guys,
if i added some dynamic lights with casting shadows off does that have low perfomance hit as a static light or not ?
cinder oriole
@opal parcel im not sure, but wouldnt put my money on that, there has to be some kind of extra requirements even without shadows, what u tryhing to achieve?
opal parcel
@cinder oriole hey thanks for replying back ,
I am trying to light up some dark areas, in a very large scene so i don't have the time keep testing how does it look, i will do some profiling incase i didn't get an answer
cinder oriole
ohh ic, been there, people have said they play with exposure, but to fill ive never tried but you should be ok is not thaaaat big of an impact without shadows
also lightbounces could help
cyan ether
sorted the blank patches and the black artifacts thanks guys,
surprised me how much those 5 grass assets were hardcoded into the bp
cinder oriole
damnn that looks great man gud job!
hey what software u use to create that gif??
https://imgur.com/IBujr5O this one
opal parcel
@cinder oriole true i didn't get any perfomance hit using that method
light bounce didn't help in that spot it was completely dark, and increasing the bounces will make other areas too bright,
dim ether
Got a question for you arch viz folks. Can anyone tell me if this sort of interior has a name? I'm wanting to create a house with an interior with the characteristics of this example but I'm not sure what it's specifically called, if anything. https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XXer3
cyan ether
just need to upload a <30s mp4 to imgur and they have a video 2 gif convertor
timber osprey
cyan ether
wow, serious modelling
vital thicket
I have the question,maybe whos know this. I create the level with geometry BSP walls. And when i go away from the walls i see the bug lighting in the top of the walls. When i come to the bug lighting on the wall it fixed. And when i go back this bug come again on the walls. If someone know how to fix this please write the answer.
https://imgur.com/a/17UxV
Oh light resolution 32 on the BSP wall
cyan ether
never thought of doing bsp walls here , whats the uvunwrap (for lightmass) look like on them
cinder oriole
@vital thicket dont know if thats your case but try changing the lightmap resolution, when using BSP lower is better, unlike static meshes, try goin low
vital thicket
@cyan ether I think it is flexible to make the walls first with the BSP and later translate them into static mesh. But how work UV on the BSP i dont know..
vital thicket
@Gr33dy#2780 I tried to reduce lightmap in the BSP walls resolution did not help, as well as to transform BSP into static mesh. In the static mesh i changed UV (1) channel and lightmap resolution (512). Not working.. But i can make the walls wider but it's not a great way to fix this
cinder oriole
@vital thicket have u tried building in production quality? to see if it fixes?? most of the problems ive had with lightbleed are because bad modeling, in this case dont know, check normal faces that arent oriented correctly, also if the meshes overlap that can cause problems otherthan that try using planes to detect where is the bleed source
vital thicket
@Gr33dy#2780 Yes i try to build in the production quality and did not help. This bug from point light in the room. I think only the way to make walls wider and this will hide the bug of lighting. Here is a point light details.
And when i make walls wider ones it fixed. I dont know more ways to fix this bug on BSP and static meshes walls.
sullen ingot
@vital thicket Lightmap issues with BSP is usually because of the way you built your geometry. When your geometry is not optimally constructed you can get light bleeding at lower lightmap resolutions. If increasing the resolutions doesn't help you should rebuild your geometry. I'm pretty sure that's your issue here.
vital thicket
@sullen ingot oh okay
lethal vigil
hey guys. i working on interior archviz scene with open / close doors. i have some problems with moveable door lighting. everything set static mesh except doors. bp_light studio for scene lighting with hdri. how can i mix true lighting static and moveable. i check distance field intrect shadows for doors but too many archifact mix with static lighting.
volume lightmap detail cell size even 20 not effect
cyan ether
v nice
cyan ether
brisk oracle
Very cool nucturness!
vital thicket
lighting from the sun is amazing..
mellow crater
What are you using for the sky/clouds?
grizzled nest
The car is hollow! But you can only see that in one shot. And when I think about it, all cars are hollow. That's strange. Moving on, the car needs a dust trail. Also interesting would be having the lights off and shiny instead of being a flat glow. Although complex reflecting materials are enormously tricky.
cinder oriole
@mellow crater unfortunately thats not UE, it was made in lumion a while ago, ill b trying to get the same car model to unreal but since it have something like 800meshes it wont be easy @grizzled nest completely forgot about the dam dust ha! now that u mention that it makes sense but again wasnt made in unreal, and i think i couldve used some particles and animated 🤔
cyan ether
wow, really nice composition though, terrain and sky colours are perfection
royal osprey
One thing thar bugs me is that I find the car out of it's element, if this was an off road vehicle it would make more sense.
vital thicket
nice
prime summit
'Stargate Depot' (WIP) Arch Viz / Level Design
https://vimeo.com/246686135
More to come on my website.
cyan ether
vital thicket
cool with bsp did
Maybe someone know how to fix this light on the BSP wall ? Yes i reduce to 4 lightmap resolution.
cinder oriole
anyone knows what "skylight radiosity" means and why the hell takes forever to process?? its being like 20 mins and only 5%
solemn hawk
I believe skylight radiosity is the "multi-bounce" they added in 4.18, I'd check to see if you had a crazy number in the global settings for your light building
cinder oriole
im not sure xD i lowered to quality and they still took some time but not as long as before
a total of 15 mins in production so no that bad x.x
violet trench
Can't wait to build things like this...going to take forever to learn. Worth it! 😄
cinder oriole
totally worth it
hey guys anyone have a house/room or something model that can share?
royal osprey
All the interesting stuff has been for cients, so no.. I cant share 😬
cinder oriole
rip! x,x
cinder oriole
dusty gyro
A very quick workflow test using Revit > Max > Datasmith
few material touchups here and there to avoid shinyness of materials
cinder oriole
@dusty gyro that lighting tho looks very nice is it static?
cinder oriole
wow rly? how everytime i try to use stationary skylight it looks like palid or washed out x.x haha
dusty gyro
I've been using baked stationary skylights for a while, it just needs the same tweaks as a static light
but you get the ability to use it with a dynamic time of day since you can change the color/intensity at runtime 😃
delicate garden
Hello. I'm trying to import a building from 3ds max into Unreal. I prepare models converting them into meshes and unwrapping their UV's.
When i do that with models from one scene, the import goes well, the models are visible, cast shadows, are solid. But when i'm doing the same with a lot more complex model from different scene, the only thing i see in the view port of unreal engine is the pivot of the model. I use milimeters in 3ds max, convert model into centimeters, i exlude possibility of that being backfaces, because i would see at least something instead of clear viewport. I wonder where did i turn wrong, so my models don't show up.
This is how it looks http://prntscr.com/hq9pp4
If anyone would respond, i'd like to ask to @ me.
dim ether
I'm wanting to start messing with arch viz rendering with UE, but was curious if a Sketchup > Blender > UE workflow was doable or if there are any weird/odd things to look out for when using Sketchup (never used it before, but it seems good to make buildings).
delicate garden
I have solved my problem, apparently after importing from FBX pivot point went way too far from the model, but the model was actually present in the scene.
cinder oriole
hey guys how u avoid this any idea?
cull distances are 0 on both, ut still im able to see the ground texture
lucid orbit
has anyone there made success with getting high resolution hdr for skybox? i can't push the 512 res limit
im talking about 8k+ images
lucid orbit
hm, seems importing hdr files in ue4 forces them to be marked as 'texture cubemap', which limits to default 512 res, can be adjusted to max 2048
but if its different graphic format, like png, its marked as 'texture' and can be 8k, but i lose ability to adjust brightness nicely like in hdr
warm sentinel
.hdr is for cubemaps only. for standard textures you can use .exr IIRC
lucid orbit
yeah, resaving hdr as exr made it marked as 'texture'
and plain sphere is needed instead sky sphere because on latter you get mirrored when texture is applied
with text coord
tawny lichen
framing up a house to scale
mellow crater
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
lucid orbit
guys, how do you make a nicely filled light for small toilet room?
emissive being used for static light helps a lot, but there are some areas that give too darks shadows, even if i set lightmass settings to high values, including bounces
how do you counter it?
tired agate
I'd wager what your'e seeing is an artifact of freedom in real-time combined witht he agressive default eye adaptation/auto-exposure in UE4
Lightmass is still a perception-based, biased renderer. That means it's going ot "give-up" at some point when things simply get too dark or occluded
In normal renderings you wojn't see this becauea normal rendering can't adjust the exposure on the fly. But, take a render and crank up the exposure, you'll see similar issues: Splotches, noise and areas where it transitions from a smooth gradient to absolute black.
The solution is to be careful about too much variation in your lighting values and to reduce the ability of the auto-exposure system to over expose the scene
I tend to use several, pre-determined lighting levels for my scenes: Brightly lit outdoors: Looks good at 1/2 brightness, Main indoor areas: Looks good at default exposure and Dark areas like closets or bathrooms. These I want to look good at 2x brightness. This lets outdoor areas bloom and look bright but doesn't require the Lightmass renderer to pump photons into every corner
lucid orbit
@tired agate thanks, but i meant to ask how people make light sources for these small interior areas
so far, emissive light enabled for baked light, skylight (since its literally just toilet room with door hole for skylight) and spotlight with large beam angle to light darker areas (basically it covers bottom half of toilet room), gives decent results
some shadows in small gaps and behind toilet are pretty dark/black
i dont think i can push it further, except lightening up darkest shadows in post process or adding fake lights there for filling
asking for another scene, how would you get rid of black shadows in plant? material has already enabled foliage shading, two sided, multiplied up subsurface texture, lightmass has upped bounces
royal osprey
I got rid of some overly dark shadows on plants by removing the wind animation it had on the material and re-baking. Unreal can be very inconsistent on shading, we have gotten good results, but the setup time and troubleshooting has been hellish, I think we are going back to traditional 3d software for rendering. Some things just don't behave like they should. Like two identical items having totally different shadows under the same lighting conditions.
gentle sonnet
If in max I export out in cm when I import Into unreal do I have to convert again?
solemn hawk
no, unreal units are centimeters
spiral socket
solemn hawk
@spiral socket switch your skylight to stationary
lucid orbit
@royal osprey ive workarounded it with adding subtle emissive green, surprisingly not bad band aid, probably could be tweaked like by coupling emi with ao mask
mellow crater
Hi Guys. What are the settings you usually use for interior scenes? Lightmass I mean.
no matter what I do, I can't remove these artfacts
For this result I am using these settings
mellow crater
Thanks I will have a go with that. I just reseted everything to the default values to start over.
lethal shuttle
@mellow crater u need more resolution
could also be the uv mapping
like if it's a box and there's more faces on the top
will need more resolution for that
mellow crater
@lethal shuttle Thanks for the reply. Are you talking about the Lightmap? I will have a look at the UV mapping as well
lethal shuttle
yeah that i mean
i usually allow UE to generate my lightmap
but if the UV map is good then it does it well
it creates the lightmap from the UV map
mellow crater
I went trought every single object adjusting the Lighmap. I am avoiding the red colour and keep a nice balanace between green and orange
btw I am using Datasmith to export all my objects
however, doing what @torn cove mentioned actually helped quite a lot
torn cove
my pleasure 😃
gentle sonnet
Is this the place to ask for Unreal Import questions?
silent hawk
?
mellow crater
is it normal that I get better shadows and light for an interior scene with the PREVIEW settings instead of the PRODUCTION?
grizzled nest
It's not normal, but it's plausible.
mellow crater
Is just that when I build the light with the Production Quality, I get more artifacts. I actually get a very clean light and shadows just by using Preview to Medium Quality.
@grizzled nest any idea why is plausible?
lucid orbit
@Cyrus3v#6954 probably because low quality light is more blurried so you dont see artifacts clearly 😄
you can either pump up quality settings, or keep low quality, or mask artifacts with smart ways
like putting another light sorce in problematic areas or hide it with objects, like plants
mellow crater
Is the marketplace the best place to get stuff from
warm sentinel
for arch-viz i think there are better places. the marketplace is mostly for game stuff imho.
tulip prawn
Is this place much active?
mellow crater
Thans @lucid orbit . I am still struggling to get a clean interior. I guess because everything is basically white it makes difficult to get clean shadows.
lucid orbit
overbright light and shadow usually means too intense skylight
maybe just drop intensities of both light sources to really low values and tune up gradually
lucid orbit
those small lights
i bet theyre just spotlights?
if so, try spotlight + pointlight combo
should give better light filling for those corners
honest harbor
hey guys i need some help, im making a 3d vr house world(mabey entire neighborhood) can you guys donate some models of houses? the must match the following criteria, photorealistic, work with unreal engine, and include doors to go in and out of the house. ill release the game right here on discord so you guys can play (in vr).
mellow crater
thanks @lucid orbit I will try that. Yes I am using just spotlights, skylight and using the post process volume to increase the Global illumination.
forgot to mention that I am using the HTC VIVE headset to walk around this scene. That also has an impact on what I can have in this scene
Lights
dusty gyro
@mellow crater Are these all stationary lights ? There's an overlap limit of 5 btw
mellow crater
@dusty gyro they are
I can't get good shadows with the static
maybe I am doing something wrong
but I get a lot of artifacts
dusty gyro
strange it should be the other way :p
mellow crater
I know, right?
dusty gyro
hehe
mellow crater
but, even with crazy lightmpas
dusty gyro
the black spots right ?
mellow crater
still there is a lot of artifacts
dusty gyro
can you show us a lightmap res view ?
mellow crater
yes
I know the small objects need to be optmized
Lightmap
do I need to increase the resolution?
dusty gyro
hmm
maybe for the lighter green assets
I'm not sure about the lightmaps being angled too
can't remember if straight lightmaps are giving better results or not
mellow crater
good point
maybe is the process from 3ds max to Unreal. I am using Datasmith to export and import
mellow crater
Ligthmass
dusty gyro
This was before the new lightmapping dll
mellow crater
oh geez
dusty gyro
(I was using the hacked one from luoshuang)
dusty gyro
mellow crater
so clean
dusty gyro
yeah its really smooth
Need to take the time to reevaluate these settings with 4.18 though
mellow crater
don't understand why I am getting such a hard time to get a clean scene
should I try the ones you are using?
mellow crater
I thought it was because of the Sky light bounces
yeah, but let me tell you
with Production quality
is actually worse
dusty gyro
medium is enough 😄
mellow crater
don't know why
dusty gyro
that scene I posted is baked with medium
mellow crater
I get better results with Preview then with Production
oh geez
I am going to try your settings
dusty gyro
probably the cfg file has been fucked at some point in the engine
mellow crater
hummm, maybe I should reinstall it
mellow crater
ah ok
dusty gyro
unless you want them to be toggleable
mellow crater
no need to be honest
dusty gyro
but less is more as we say 😉
mellow crater
at least for now
how would you light an interior scene? I am on the process of switching what I know it works with 3ds Max and Corona to Unreal. Which is a different beast
dusty gyro
I don't really have much experience with max lighting, the best I did was baking AO with RT
But I like to only place the lights where they are supposed to be
no artificial lighting
other than that, IES are great
gives a bit of substance to your lights
although they work more or less well with stationary lighting
mellow crater
because I am lighting this scene the same way I would in 3ds max
and I guess that is my problem
dusty gyro
well both tools have different ways of lighting the scene
lemme grab you a few screenshots of an interior I did for a Vive demo
I was under time constraints so I had to lower the quality of the lighting a bit
all furniture is fully interactable btw
mellow crater
still, is really good tbh
dusty gyro
thanks
dusty gyro
skylight is stationary, directional is movable, and all the other lights are static
yeah
this one is running on a custom branch though
using VRworks improvements
wait I may have a bonus video to show you
mellow crater
i gotta try getting back into this sort of stuff lol.
mellow crater
Thanks @dusty gyro
dusty gyro
Most of the time I'm working with much, much bigger models though
Datasmith and UE are having a hard time
mellow crater
my scene isn't that big, but the interior is just white. Dear God, everything is white. The floor is white, the cabinets are white, the walls are white
dusty gyro
😄
@mellow crater https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4jOXy-izJQ&feature=youtu.be
this project was full of tradeoffs 😂
it acts more as a prototype to show what we can do within VR for real estate and Building Information Modelling
mellow crater
oh boy
amazing
nice work man
I love that you use the motion controllers to control the scene
dusty gyro
🤗
mellow crater
at the moment I am gliding around the scene and using triggers to open the doors
dusty gyro
you should have a look at the example content package
dusty gyro
this is what i used to build my tools on
mellow crater
ok, for the blueprints?
dusty gyro
its on the forums
its a bunch of sample blueprints yep
that said we went a lot deeper with blueprints to suit our needs
mellow crater
I can see that
dusty gyro
all the doors are parametric
teleportation is using a custom raytracing solution instead of navmeshes
mellow crater
model switching can just be done with Enumerators. if the enumerator == i dunno counterModel2 you can set the static mesh to whatever.
dusty gyro
its checking for the normal of the surface the user is aiming at
mellow crater
the guys here didn't want teleportation, so I managed to setup a gliding system. But, these are as you can see my first steps with VR
clear stag
I personally feel a lot more comfortable just using KB/Mouse while sitting down tbh
dusty gyro
and I've had too many problems with sick people on gliding locomotion
@clear stag sitting down almost eradicates the problem
clear stag
I beg to differ 3:
dusty gyro
your internal ear isn't going as bonkers as when you are standing up
dusty gyro
hehe
clear stag
I'm very sensitive to that stuff
I just really want to use VR so I deal with it ;3
Got that damn headset for a reason
dusty gyro
I've played doom on the Rift DK1 while standing up, my brain isn't VRsick anymore 😂
mellow crater
I am actually dealing with that issue. People getting stuck
dusty gyro
@mellow crater use colliders to virtually restrain movement
mellow crater
I reduce the player's size by make it more slim.
but still some times it gets stuck
dusty gyro
yeah
teleportation + predefined areas is a good solution to avoid that kind of situation
mellow crater
I think eventually they will see that,
and ask me to get back to teleporation
thanks for tips
dusty gyro
try out both solutions and show it to them 😃
mellow crater
I am learning how to implement all of these blueprints
so, to do that
can I create 2 maps with different motion settings and then "import" the basic level?
does this makes sense?
dusty gyro
hmm
it would work
but you'd better add a switch somewhere to change your teleportation
clear stag
Could just make a trigger on button press that switches a bool
And then through a switch that runs through either teleportation or gliding
mellow crater
yeah, but all of these is quite new for me
clear stag
You literally just take the BP code you have for both the gliding and the teleporting
You put a switch before them
If true you go to branch gliding, if flase branch teleporting
And when a certain button's pressed you switch the bool
dusty gyro
@mellow crater have done any programming before ? Or something that comes close to it ?
mellow crater
I did a little bit of C and Python
dusty gyro
you should be at ease then 😃
clear stag
It's just an if statement
dusty gyro
if you know how to code, BP is a piece of cake
mellow crater
the problem is that before I got here, they imported everything to a VR template. So, I am not using something done from scratch
I really like the blueprint concept
it is also easier for other people to understand what I am doing
giving an example, how to I swithc from the VR headset to the normal WASD keyboard navigation
is this kind of stuff that I get lost
dusty gyro
hmm
you can migrate your content to a new project
and import the content examples stuff in that new project as a second step
for the VR to wasd
needs some BP tinkering
mellow crater
I think I will do that then. At this moment is a lot of Research and Development to see what is possible. But at the same time I still have to do Arch Viz work
but thanks for the tips, they are really useful tbh
dusty gyro
are you working alone ?
mellow crater
on Unreal yes
I am basically the main guy. I know a little bit of Unreal, normal stuff is Ok. But then they asked me to have a look at VR
which is another league
mellow crater
but I love to learn and the Unreal team does an amazing job with tutorials and help
it is. But even using Unreal to create RT is ok and you can cheat a lot. But with VR, everything needs to be balanced because of the FPS
dusty gyro
learning a game engine might be one of the most interesting stuff I ever got to do
mellow crater
and then you have the motion controllers as well
true @dusty gyro
it was one of my best decisions
dusty gyro
yeah there's a lot of Man Machine Interface stuff to learn and apply
I've been doing VR for almost 5 years now (damn) and I'm still surprised almost every day
feels like I'm pushing the limits of the software AND hardware with my current job though
I mean look at that fat bastard 😂
mellow crater
geez
dusty gyro
and I'm supposed to get it into VR
dusty gyro
well Datasmith doesn't handle it so
I'd have to split it into parts first
I can't even HLOD it, the editor runs out of memory before finishing
its been a year already and I haven't found a quick and efficient solution
the main problem is that we need to keep EACH separate element
and each must have meta data tied to it
mellow crater
if you can explore each floor, then that is a crazy amount of work
so glad all I have to do for now is an interior scene
dusty gyro
well we don't expect the same quality as Archviz
for that we use some other tools than unreal (although the one we use currently is using UE4 as a base)
mellow crater
I told them that.
in particular with VR you can't get photorealistic results at least for now
btw, any books you may recomend?
mellow crater
are you doing this in Unreal?
dusty gyro
No baked alighting, using Global Illumination
mellow crater
it looks good
dusty gyro
the new release uses UE4 with a custom Global illumination
mellow crater
4.19?
dusty gyro
no idea
custom branch for sure
problem is, its unstable as fuck when you work on massive projects
mellow crater
Lumion is like a game engine as well, but you need to have a crazy graphics card
it is
and if is like Lumion, very diffiicult to manage the scene
dusty gyro
well its not difficult with TM
just
not really well thought
a lot of the tools aren't really intuitive
well they are simple
but maybe TOO simple
and redoing them in UE4 is too much work
there's no in between :/
That's where the idea of Datasmith is awesome
gotta AFK, brb
mellow crater
no worries. Thanks for your help @dusty gyro
dusty gyro
nice
mellow crater
i did one with Preview
dusty gyro
69% in the log or in the UI ?
dusty gyro
check out in the log :p
mellow crater
70%
not a big difference. But why? There is a difference between the log and the UI?
dusty gyro
most of the time the log gives a more accurate %
no idea why though
the ui/bars screen tends to accelerate at the end, since its baking the small bits last
but swarm is a mystery sometimes
slaving computers with swarm is kinda hard to figure out too
and there's absolutely NO doc at all
mellow crater
I still need to setup our render farm
so I can use multiple computers to calculate lighting
dusty gyro
good luck with that @mellow crater 😂
dusty gyro
well it needs tinkering depending on the network setup
we have a very heavily firewalled network here
and it took me a fuckload of tries to find a kinda working solution
had to share a folder on the network with the swarm stuff
and open the exe file on each machine
then get a machine to coordinate everything
and most of the time half of my machines are "busy" and can't work, even if they have like 5% cpu used
mellow crater
oh boy
maybe would be better to have a better machine
we actually using a Alienware laptop to run the scene into the Vive headset
@dusty gyro this is the result
mellow crater
yeah, but I have some jagged shadows
clear stag
I do think that'll be less if you make the light less strong
dusty gyro
the jagged stuff is definetly low res lightmap
and the fact that its not straight
same for the small bits in the corners
since its approximating the lighting, you'll get some blotches here and there where the pixel density is low
lucid orbit
Honestly, this black spot earlier was weird
doesnt make sense considering how well light were nearby areas
dusty gyro
true
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375019569804345347/405300038604947456/Beta_SuiteBedroom_0.PNG
@mellow crater see the black splotches over the painting ?
the wall is kinda angled
and doesn't follow roofings in a straight manner
so it gives this aliased look
mellow crater
but how do I get the straight lighmaps?
dusty gyro
unwrap them manually :p
dusty gyro
datasmith uvs into slot 2
you can use slot 1
most of the walls you see on my interior project were remodeled and manually UVd
had no choice (and I like clean stuff)
lucid orbit
i wish datasmith devs finally made sketchup plugin
datasmith been up for long time, no plugin yet available
and sketchup is darn popular archviz soft
dusty gyro
@lucid orbit I wish the same for Revit 😄
Engineers where I work only use Revit, and the FBX workflow through max is such a hassle
lucid orbit
yeah, i kept hearing revit pretty often in arch circles
dusty gyro
max doesn't really like massive projects from revit
dusty gyro
- most of the fbx exports are a mess since the files are coming from other softwares like autocad
baha
lucid orbit
yea, know this pain, luckily theres good importer plugin for sketchup->blender
lucid orbit
toilet made with diamond i bet
dusty gyro
hehe
mellow crater
@dusty gyro I unwrapp some of the geometry, but I still have the crooked lightmap
I am seein that the problem is the extra UV channels that Unreal creates when importing the datasmith file
dusty gyro
what UV channel is the lightmap set on your crooked model @mellow crater ?
by default datasmith sets it to 2
if you use custom lightmap UVs you should channel 1
(and texture goes into channel 0)
mellow crater
for this geometry I had from 4
Do get the straight lightmap, I had to change the Source Lightmap Index from 2 to 0
yup
3ds max, I unwrapp the geometry. Export using Datasmith. Import the geometry to Unreal. Open the Mesh Editor and I can see that I have 4 sets of UV channels. The lightmap is crooked. Change Source Lightmap Index from 2 to 0
lightmap gets straight
dusty gyro
hmm
mellow crater
wonder why Unreal is creating 4UV channels
dusty gyro
I think its the max side of datasmith that doesn't know (yet) how to handle uvs
so it adds UVs instead of replacing them
mellow crater
so, that means for the main geometry I need to do this workaround
I am building the light again to see how these new lightmap impacts the quality
dusty gyro
alright, keep me updated 😃
dusty gyro
@mellow crater https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/architectural-and-design-visualization/120797-beyond-architecture-projects have you seen these ?
They are using .1 100 30 1 as settings for the lightmass
as in 0.1 lighting level scale, 100 indirect lighting bounces, 30 skylight bounces and 1 lighting quality
mellow crater
Hi @dusty gyro . I was off sick yesterday. I will have a look and also share the result by using straight lighmaps
dusty gyro
alright, hope you are getting better 😃
mellow crater
thanks man
I saw the project
really goo. and getting 20-30 FPS is amazing
I think the settings you shared are working quite well, but I need to rebuild the light again
I am getting this
yellow geometry
I saw the previous image. Are you using substance as well?
ignore the yellow geometry - double geometry
lucid orbit
hm, theres option to disable lightmass compression
not best solution as it apparently increases memory usage by a lot, but perhaps will minimize those artifacts
also, do you use lightmass importance volume + portals?
mellow crater
so isn't double geometry
for some reason, when say to use another UV channel for the lightmap
this is what I get
@lucid orbit yes I am using lightmass importance and portals
lucid orbit
maybe try increasing smoothness in lightmass settings, it may lose some details though
mellow crater
being honest, I think for this try I will leave it for now. They want to see something by the end of this month. I will switch my attention to more interactive stuff. I want to start a new project where I am in control from the beggining.
@lucid orbit I will have a look on that as well
lucid orbit
is it normal that changes done to landscape mat instance arent shown in realtime? changes are applied once i release slider/confirm color
in realtime, as in viewport
dusty gyro
@mellow crater yeah I use substance when needed (ie simple patterns the client wants for the finishing touches)
light baking from the screenshots look good imo
maybe a tiny bit of compression on the corners
mellow crater
thanks @dusty gyro , but for some reason, I can't remove the yellow colour. I think it happens because I changed the Change Source Lightmap Index from 2 to 0
mellow crater
.after baking
celest vapor
the yellow color is showing that you have overlap uvs for those meshs. that's why it only appears after building the light.
I don't remember how you can disable that color
dusty gyro
hey archviz people, just a quick survey, what GPUS are you using ?
mellow crater
Thanks @celest vapor
@dusty gyro I use both a Nvidia Quadro K4200 and MSI R270X
on diffrent computers
solemn hawk
R9 390 on my home machine, gtx 1080 at the office
royal osprey
980ti
dusty gyro
thanks a lot !
median mural
how people usually handle this kind of gap on furniture?
I am not very happy with how this kind of geo bakes and I think probably it's better to do via texture
wide quest
@median mural Typically, you don't want to represent seams like that in your low poly.
elder scaffold
Is there any kind of list of preferred settings for an Unreal project that's used for rendering out a scene or arch viz?
And also, is there a way of rendering a scene out instead of just going into game mode and taking a screenshot?
royal osprey
For arch viz we just turn everything up in quality settings. And tweak the lightmaps till they are just high quality enough not to be noisy, To render out a sequence use sequencer.
There is a great article and video about this in the evermotion site. (just search evermotion unreal archviz) as far as sequencer there is the unreal documentation and many vids on youtube also.
median mural
wasn't there something about changing engine ini settings?
dusty gyro
I don't think that's relevant anymore since 4.18
you can setup well your lighting with the tools exposed in the editor
cunning igloo
Re: Lightmaps.. Anyone here who knows what the lightmaps consist of?
Its packing multiple types of data into RGBA channels. But which are what? And why does the lightmap consist of 4 copies of the total lightmap UVs? (2x2 on generated lightmap)
I'm assuming color & intensity, light directionality.. Anything else?
If anyone knows, please tag me 😃
tired agate
@median mural I typically model that and use a separate Material that I can darken manually. Getting lightmass to correctly illuminate very thing geometry is really trricky
@elder scaffold You can also use the High Resollution Screenshot: https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Basics/Screenshots/
median mural
huh interesting idea to use another material
but I think I might make them movable objects not sure
Volumetric Lightmap in theory looks nice. I wonder if I can generate it in a small enough size
median mural
what is the best way to cast multiple shadows from chandelier?
tired agate
Dynamic?
If you just want fancy looking shadows, I'd suggest a Material Function go get patterns in your shadow
Dynamic Point lights are VERY expensive, especially in scenes with a lot of triangles
So, using more than one at a time is inviting bad performance
median mural
atm I set my chandelier to another light Chanel and will use material function. Shadows from lights to harsh anyway.
green pulsar
Hey Im doing a project of an apartment for visualizing on VR. How high can I go with my textures so that I mantain performance and realism? And do you guys have any tips for making realistic enough glass and mirror materials?
green pulsar
I found this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrbPlPOavzU. I was using Planar Reflection but its too heavy on performance and it doesnt work properly with vr, but this works. Still heavy. I can decrease the texture resolution, and it helps a bit. Do you guys know if theres a way to decrease the reflection size? The reflection is too big
median mural
and for texture budget you need to test things there is no way to know exactly what you can allow yourself for project
the best you can do is to optimize the best you can at all times. But think about speed/quality and then check if something slowing things and fix that.
delicate garden
Does anyone here know a script to convert vray material to standart, it takes long time to prepare standart material for export into UE manually.
solemn hawk
Sign up for the datasmith beta by epic, it'll allow you to import straight from 3ds max and vray
median mural
for the best result you should probably set up all your materials anyway
and use material instances
delicate garden
I have signed up.
median mural
you can create material that inputs your vray textures in convert way to convert them to metal rough workflow
delicate garden
but i still have no clue how to get it.
sweet fossil
@delicate garden https://www.3dstudio.nl/autodesk-material-converter
delicate garden
a hundred dollar script
i can't even treat myself with a videogame on steam
But thanks for the link
tidal ridge
I am a newbie and have been trying to get this Refrigerator textured properly. I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to properly align the texture for the LED panel. I have spent hours trying to figure out what exactly I need to modify to fix this to no avail 😦 If someone could just say a few words pointing me in the right direction, it would be GREATLY appreciated. I attached a photo of what it SHOULD look like..
I have quite a bit of experience of level editing from years back. What I am trying to achieve could be done by selecting a brush face and choosing 'align/fit planar' .... this is what I need =/
sweet fossil
ADjust the UVs in 3D package
sweet fossil
Load the model into a 3D package > adjust UVs until it lines up properly then reimport to UE4
tidal ridge
I have blender, this will work, right?
sweet fossil
yeah
tidal ridge
ok... not sure how to go about that, but that is a good lead
sweet fossil
Also you might need to crop that image as it doesn't look square
your texture needs to be power of 2. E.G 1024 x 1024
You can do 1024 x 2048 ratios as long as it's power of 2 but square textures are easier to manage
sweet fossil
you could try that but I don't think it will fix the alignment
Also having that many materials on one object is very inefficient. You should be using maps to define metal/rough values
tidal ridge
oh ok.. sorry I'm totally new to this mesh stuff 😃 I would rather fix it 'right' in blender
ok, which kind of map would I need to create?
sweet fossil
There are plenty good resources available for free on learning blender.
I think you should look at a beginners guide rather than trying to jump in with no experience
Even learning the basics will save you a lot of time and stress
tidal ridge
Alright... that's what I will put my focus into then. Wasnt sure if it was a material issue or UV Map issue
sweet fossil
Yeah a decal could work. You could also just have a low res texture applied to a plane that sits in the right position on the mesh
There are many ways to skin a cat 😉
(British metaphor)
tidal ridge
ok.. This is great help, thanks man.
median mural
@cunning igloo https://youtu.be/ihg4uirMcec?t=15m11s
cunning igloo
Thanks!
grizzled nest
Doesn't go into much detail about how "light direction" is calculated.
median mural
well looks like vector to me. Like normal maps so probably it traces to light source or something
grizzled nest
storm condor
amazing
median mural
How do we properly use exposure?
median mural
I am working on interior and everything is too dark by default
median mural
https://streamable.com/11mjr made a thing
dusty gyro
dynamic exposure based on distance ?
median mural
not exposure it is focusing
median mural
Is there ideas how one could make variations for baked lighmass?
like 2-3 different types of couch(different mesh)
I think that I can use day, night. And like 3 maps.
probably it's best way to achieve that.
also you gave me idea that there should be mid gray exposure set up in the controller
median mural
No. I need to make variants for all sort of meshes.
possibly walls too
and this thing on top of it
noble geyser
How do you folks deal with Blender to UE4 export for archviz?
I modeled my house in inches/feet and when I brought it into ue4, the scale was obviously off. Then I changed scene settings in Blender to metric and centimeters, scaled it up so that dimensions in cm proportionally match dimensions in inches, re-exported, but the scale was still off.
median mural
@motorsep#8292 I made custom scripts
btw by default blender will export in meters
I have every wall as separate object it's easier to work that way.
Scripts export in fbx properly but everything as separate file
another script exports selected to export groups.
dusty gyro
@noble geyser top view
or side views
mousewheel click
and drag
its based on your grid resolution, so you have to lower it if you want more precise measuring
noble geyser
tried that - I see white line, but no measurement value over it :/
median mural
I think it works only in orthographic views
dusty gyro
yeah you need to be in ortho (top, left, right, whatever)
median mural
but not sure why would you do that
like I don't have any reasons to measure things in ue4 yet
probably would be nice to be able to have some sort of default Actor for measuring to display as UI
noble geyser
are there any good texture sets for archviz, ready for UE4 ? (set of textures ready for PBR) Preferably textures of something they actually sell in HomeDepot or Lowe's ?
median mural
substance subscription is very nice option
Substance Designer is the best for recreating real materials
noble geyser
aye
what are those circles with folded corners and blue arrows?
(I tried baking lighting in 4.19p4 yesterday, just to see about indirect lighting bounces and whatnot.. My scene looked like sh#t 😦 So I am wondering if there are some things that I am missing in my setup)
dusty gyro
@noble geyser waitasec, I have a cheat screen with good enough lightmass parameters somewhere
this is pre 4.18 though
I was using luoshuang's multi bounce skylight lightmass.exe
but now its integrated to the engine so
if you want good looking indirect shadows and lighting, you can lower the smoothness value
and up the indirect lighting quality
noble geyser
do I need anything special besides Skylight (and portals) and directional light ?
my test scene was all indoors, no windows, so I am not sure if Skylight worked there at all
dusty gyro
maybe a lightmass importance volume
noble geyser
yeah, I have that
dusty gyro
no windows at all ?
noble geyser
right
currently I am trying to get proportions of the geometry right, so when I put HMD on it feels right. Once I get rooms roomy enough, then I can cut in windows and start adding props and such
noble geyser
otherwise I'd hate to do all this work and then it feels totally off in VR, and I'd have to redo it all over again
dusty gyro
yeah for sure
oh you can stick to medium quality aswell btw
in the build lighting quality level
high and production kinda are placebo imo
the screen I posted was baked using medium
dusty gyro
ah well :p
noble geyser
what does Static Lighting Level Scale do? Right now it's 1.0 (default) ?
Also, why turn off AO ?
dusty gyro
AO adds bake time
but if you have a skylight, baking it makes your AO
at least that's what I read a while ago
for the level scale
its kinda like supersampling for VR
you can stay at 1 and bake with your lightmap resolution
or push it smaller and bake a supersampled lightmap
I guess 🤔
it looks better with small value 😃
for example here I was using 1 for the scale I think
you can see awful AO bakings in corners
and the noise in the darker areas are caused by indirect smoothing
for quick testing its decent enough though
noble geyser
I see
dusty gyro
(this one is using a stationary skylight and movable directional light btw)
pretty awesome for ToD setups 😃
noble geyser
the main challenge for my archviz project is to get virtual scale feel correct
so that 10 ft x 10 ft room VR feels as it's indeed 10 ft x 10 ft in real life
dusty gyro
you can check if your dimensions are good with your controllers :p
noble geyser
heh
dusty gyro
I do it all the time
noble geyser
it's for mobile VR
dusty gyro
aaah
oh well 😄
I don't really have to check for size stuff on our projects since all the models come from accurate AEC modelling tools like Autocad or Revit
maybe make a template with an empty box or something, and make that box IRL to check if the size is right
noble geyser
aye, but I've heard that even though it's modeled to size, in VR scale looks off
dusty gyro
or model your room even !
I guess you tried to change the world to meters value already ?
noble geyser
eeh, nope.. I don't even know what that is :/
(I haven't done archviz before)
VR archviz that is
dusty gyro
oh
its in the world settings
one of the last parameters
you can change it to change the scale (probably some engine IPD tweaks)
noble geyser
gotcha, thanks
dusty gyro
👌
median mural
probably in vr if you set wrong eye height there you get wrong scale
dusty gyro
by default its at 100 yeah
no idea how UE4 behaves with mobile VR though
sweet sweet dynamic lighting
median mural
like then you are a kid everything looks big and when you get older everything start to become small
so real world values is the best bet
median mural
also you should consider that humans need reference object to understand scale. If you have something in the wrong scale this can destroy illusion of correct scale very quick
noble geyser
I'd rather model geometry in actual scale in correct units and then tweak something in UE4 to make scale feel right in VR (and not mess with scaling geometry all the time). Hopefully World to meters would help with that
cinder remnant
can someone tell me how people manage to have dark sceneries with SkyLIght only?
No matter what, completely occluded rooms ( = Rooms without windows) are always affected by skylight...
royal osprey
set the geometry as static and rebuild your lighting?
noble geyser
Does sky sphere with dark and cloudy lighting affect actual lighting in the scene ?
I have one and no matter how much I crank up values for sky light and directional light, my interior scene remains dark
median mural
try changing number of indirect light bounces
still furnace
Hello folks,
I'm trying to create an archviz interior. Everything is ok but I don't know why I'm getting soo dark my house staticMesh body. I have checked normals, lightmass settings, material, lightmass uv index etc... but still can't get rid of that. I would be happy for any suggestion. Thank you.
rotund ruin
well, you only have a skylight there
you don't have lightmass portals on the open gaps like windows and doors
(those tell the baker to put extra effort there)
have you built the lighting? Have you unwrapped a second UV channel for lightmaps?
still furnace
Just tried the portal but it has no effect. Yes. I have unwrapped UV for 0 (3dsmax) and 1 made UE as GenerateLightmap [tick]. Exposure is set to 0. Also tried to increase lightmass enviro intensity to higher value but still same.
btw I have 4.18.3
light quality is set to production.
rotund ruin
could you post a shot from inside the house after its built
tawny lichen
Swear its that hdr....
What other difference between the mesh preview window and your scene are there?
tawny lichen
LOL
rotund ruin
(I assumed that was intentional)
rotund ruin
@still furnace is it intentional that you aren't using a directional light?
green pulsar
Hey do you guys know if Anodized metals is still metallic surface, dialetric or 50/50?
eg: white anodized aluminium looks like its painted
tawny lichen
if its perfectly coated I would see no reason to make it metallic
but understanding anodizing process' might be better suited asking google
there may be metallic flake variants, sheen filaments all sorts of variables
slightly opaque materials more like a polish
dusty gyro
@still furnace if you intend to not place any directional, at least boost the intensity of your skylight
still furnace
Thanks guys for suggestions. I will check when I arrive home.
median mural
what types of light are you all mostly using?
noble geyser
finally figured out what was causing dark lighting - skysphere
now I am wondering if there is a way to set up directional light intensity to match intensity of 10am sun in real life, for example
otherwise it might look good, but might have nothing to do with how real-life interior with real-life lighting will look like after it's built :/
noble geyser
also wondering why lighting looks so different from Blender
pretty much same setup, but Blender looks more realistic (effortlessly) than UE4 (spent all evening tweaking lighting).
dusty gyro
@noble geyser are you sure your direcitonal light is setup the same way as in blender ?
looks like there's a different angle
royal osprey
and intensity