I'll answer here when I'm around
#career-chat
keen light
i just dont know how to get started
bronze dew
are you going to hit it from a programmer or artist perspective ?
a tech artist is a unique combination of a engineer / programmer and actual artist.. but who knows how to break things down
it might not actually be what you want
keen light
I always start these projects with this super clear, amazing vision. I know exactly what I want. I just always give up, even if I still like the idea.
bronze dew
that's because your ideas are to big
keen light
im split between artist and programmer
bronze dew
noone can keep them inside there heads
write down the basics of it... always
then split it into parts
keep splitting it up as you go along
don't try to do a massive thing.. keep it real
your 1 person.. not a 500 person company
and if you wanna do a MMORPG.. I'll block u right now
keen light
no lol
ive never even considered that
ive thought of a 5v5 close quarters game
lots of singleplayer games
nothing like that, though
would a portfolio be mostly materials/shaders, actual games, or just a combination
@bronze dew I had an idea for a singleplayer game with a lot of atmosphere. My ideas come from my artistic side, so they're usually quite nebulous and hard to put into words. It's a 2nd person game with some modern-steampunk design. Probably set in Industrial Revolution London. It's always night and it's usually raining. Thought of adding detective and rpg elements. Draws inspiration from Bioshock Infinite, a movie called Hugo, a series called The Man in the High Castle, and lots of piano music.
vocal meadow
if its just for portfolio, focus on things you want to be hired to do. don't make the mistake of not applying anywhere because the mmorpgfps for portfolio isn't finished
formal birch
if its just for portfolio, focus on things you want to be hired to do. don't make the mistake of not applying anywhere because the mmorpgfps for portfolio isn't finished
oh, this is an amazing tip! If i were to, let's say, focus on Game Design, what kind of projects that has a high value? short games with unique designs? fleshed out GDDs? I mean of course, besides portfolios from previous studio experience.
daring geyser
@formal birch For game design, start with a small, specific idea, and flesh that out. Keep your scope reasonable, and see that one thing to completion. For beginners, it's really easy to get mired by the details of a "pie in the sky" project. Better to have tightly focused, small experiences, that really explore an idea and show your thought process
pine dagger
Hi everyone.
What do you think about the future of houdini in game industry? I mean if I want to become an environment artist should I learn it now? (btw I know programming)
west sonnet
Yes
vocal meadow
Definitely yes.
hybrid phoenix
Yes
pine dagger
ok then. thanks!
bronze dew
just dooo it
pine dagger
@bronze dew I'll start tomorrow π
flat gazelle
All the cool people are watching it
vocal meadow
agreed.
ashen lynx
@pine dagger Familiarity with Houdini is definitely a plus, but far from primary perk for environment artist. Also it is a tool, not a skill. If you skip on essential artistic skills and conventional modelling techniques on your way to environment art, your path will be slower and harder.
Houdini, applicable to environmental art, should not be your focus, if you are just on entry.
pine dagger
@ashen lynx Thank you ! I'll keep that in mind. The problem is I come from a coding background and I'm a bit confused about what path I should take.
bronze dew
code = much easier to get a job
pine dagger
@bronze dew But I like art too!
bronze dew
become a tech artist with a focus on tech.... that way you'll still get to do art.. but be able to get a job π
hybrid phoenix
^can confirm
Very happy with my niche specialization
I also wanted to do art but am really more of a programmer
Am now a technical artist, which is definitely my favorite branch of work in gamedev, and it's in-demand
bronze dew
for years.. I swapped between doing tech jobs and art jobs.... but over past 6+ years.. I've been able to combine both
but you need a certain drive to make it work
I see courses existing for this kind of thing and I despair... it's not something you just teach ppl
sure.. low lvl stuff is teachable
hybrid phoenix
Definitely
You need an inherent understanding of the tech side
As well as the inherent understanding of the art side
And then you need to decide that actually you don't want to do them separately, so you're going to try putting them together
At which point you further your tech knowledge to specialize in the rendering pipeline rather than just general programming stuff
(At least that's what it's been in my case, and for most other tech-artists I know)
Because you just really need to deeply understand both tech and art
And then on top of that you often need to be rather social as well, because you're in one of the most consultant-esque role in gamedev
(Because guess what, you're in the middle of the programmers and the art department and you've got to make them work together and fix their shared issues in ways that are acceptable to both)
pine dagger
Could you explain a bit more? What should I learn? What do you do exactly?
@hybrid phoenix It's interesting!
hybrid phoenix
What a technical artist actually does varies wildly per company
At my new job, I primarily handle lighting and materials/shaders
bronze dew
and changes massively each week
hybrid phoenix
That too, yeah
As for what you should learn..
I can give you a decent path on pretty much any role in gamedev, but not for tech-art
bronze dew
I've covered everything from optimisation of lighting / textures 1 week.. then the next week. .developing an interface for 3D displays with eye offsets and dynamic camera systems
hybrid phoenix
The best path I know for tech-art is to do the artist path and the programmer path separately
And then end up mashing them together
bronze dew
yeah.. and that's what stumps most ppl
hybrid phoenix
But that takes massive motivation to do, because you need to actually really want to do both
vocal meadow
@pine dagger how far out are you from applying to places?
bronze dew
it's like.. 1 tech artist to 400 artists
pine dagger
So basically I should learn everything about art and programming π I like it
hybrid phoenix
Yup
bronze dew
but the thing is
you can't learn everything
you just need to learn how to break things down.. and how to connect different bits together
hybrid phoenix
Tech art is very intuitive business
bronze dew
seriously... technic will teach you better then most uni's
hybrid phoenix
But the intuition isn't a very common kind of intuition, because it's a weird mix of stuff
pine dagger
@vocal meadow I am currently a computer engineering student . year 4. so I guess I have 2 or 3 years to learn
bronze dew
I've been doing a mix of it for 20+ years now... and I feel newb still
hybrid phoenix
@pine dagger Do you have a strong desire to make pretty things?
vocal meadow
would recommend just getting used to learning software no matter what position you potentially look to fill
pine dagger
@hybrid phoenix Yes
bronze dew
python...
hybrid phoenix
Then start making pretty things on the side
bronze dew
learn python...
bronze dew
it's my 1 regret...
hybrid phoenix
I don't know it myself, but I like to tell myself I could get into it easily
vocal meadow
feeling like you have to learn everything under the sun is counter productive and probably stressful. since you've got some time would just hone in on what you like to do and get a better idea of the future job title for it when it materializes
bronze dew
I'm a programmer who can't do traditional text scripting properly...
hybrid phoenix
Got too stuck into visual scripting? @bronze dew
bronze dew
I've been exposed to normal scripting since I was 7 years old...
hybrid phoenix
But...
hybrid phoenix
Lol
bronze dew
but I understand how to code well LOL
pine dagger
@vocal meadow Yeah you're right. I probably overthink it
bronze dew
@hybrid phoenix so visual scripting works a treat for me
pine dagger
I know a bit python.
bronze dew
but not being able to code.. slowed me down massively in my early career
pine dagger
@bronze dew How did you start?
vocal meadow
its possible you end up liking to do it all erfan, but shouldn't feel like thats a requirement. Though if thats the case, a smaller dev team where you have more luxurious hats to wear is something you should consider. The big studios don't have as much use for these types, but its good to be well versed in things
bronze dew
my dad locked our home PC behind a batch file that obfuscated everything by offsetting names of files
fickle hatch
Tech art! I love tech art
I entered tech art through my silly programming exercises and little projects of writing software renderers and similar stuff
bronze dew
@vocal meadow big studios are begining to see the light for tech artists
vocal meadow
i meant more in terms of responsibilities
bronze dew
I've seen a mix of massive amount of responsibilities and very restricted.. it seems to shift a lot
it's partly a problem with being entirely to useful
vocal meadow
tbh i'm not sure what tech artist means so i'll agree with you π
vocal meadow
it kind of is just like: do it all?
vocal meadow
what don't they do then?
bronze dew
they generally wont do just 1 thing π
vocal meadow
music?
bronze dew
<- trained musician
flat gazelle
Learn to problem solve, learn to be comfortable being scared and confused in a new software/environment/engine.
bronze dew
you got it @flat gazelle
pine dagger
@flat gazelle yeah I like problem solving
flat gazelle
I'm not an artist, I'm defenitly not a coder, but I am very much a problem solver.
vocal meadow
we must attribute a title though glad. thems the rules.
flat gazelle
It makes for fun estimates. Hey, could you make this thing that's never been done in a game before? Sure! How long will it take? Yes.
Then I pick the title Overlord.
fickle hatch
@vocal meadow tech artist is a broad term that maybe should have been split into like 5 terms, but maybe not
bronze dew
@flat gazelle that is the bane of my life
flat gazelle
It's happening.
bronze dew
well
fickle hatch
But there's a whole range of tasks that start with writing engine code and ending with 3d modelling and texturing
flat gazelle
The specialization of Specialists is happening.
There are simulation VFX artists and UI Tech artists now.
bronze dew
you can have "Charector Tech artist" Or "Systems Tech Artist"
fickle hatch
You might need to do a few 3D models or textures as a tech artist, might not. Won't be doing 3D models for the sake of doing 3D models, but might have to make 3D models just for technical aspects of it
"We're trying to figure out a new workflow, come help us make some assets with this new workflow and iron it out"
Idk
vocal meadow
lol π
fickle hatch
Source Engine eyeball shaders supported eye dilation, but I don't remember if that was ever used π
pine dagger
Thank you guys. This was really helpful! I'll do some more research. I'm really interested
mystic hull
I missed out on a good chat π
Why is it that most people active people in here are artists as opposed to engineers? π€ I feel left out π
bronze dew
engineers exist here also.. but most of them have zero time as they are fully employed hehe
torpid cedar
im a 3d modeller here
vale belfry
your portfolio is going to SUCK so much if your trying to do it solo
Yeah, it does π
hybrid phoenix
@vocal meadow In my experience being a technical artist is basically; someone in the art department has a problem, or someone in the programming department has a problem with the art - whatever it might be exactly, it goes to a technical artist to be solved
So tech art is very much a specific specialization, but you need a generalist background in order to make it work
carmine siren
@plucky hatch p@t is correct. This is not a recruitment channel. Feel free to post in #looking-for-talent for that (read the pinned message in that channel for instructions)
plucky hatch
cheers
marsh stream
Hi guys, If you are applying to a company and they don't mention a cover letter, should I write one?
I know this might seem obvious but I've read different answers to this (mainly yes always or if its not mentioned. dont) so Im unsure.
barren lotus
Err on sending one, they take 15-30 mins to write.
marsh stream
Yeah the time to write one isn't the issue, its more the way they will interrupt my decision to write one or not . As in "He wrote a cover letter when we didn't ask for one, he doesn't read instructions" or "he took the time to write a cover letter when we didnt ask, thats initiative"
west sonnet
Either theyβll read it and throw it away or just throw it away immediately. Either way, send your resume with a customize cover letter. Studio gots some issues if they throw out your app on the basis of the presence of a simple cover letter. So consider it an warning system π
marsh stream
Alright understood. Thanks π
mystic hull
rare axle
Hey guys, you should make a Harry Potter rpg game.
vocal meadow
you licensing the rights?
west sonnet
Get the rights from NBCUniversal and Iβll gladly make that franchise specific game.
rare axle
if you dont have the rights then change all the names of the places
and dont use harry potter
mystic hull
How is it still a harry potter game, then?
vocal meadow
perry motter school magic
mystic hull
why not marry hotter? π€
vocal meadow
haugwertz
west sonnet
Hogpimple
mystic hull
On a more serious note though, at what age did you (or the average dev) started professional work? π€
mystic hull
I would
Positions you can include in your resume, that were paid
- by a legal entity
vocal meadow
20
mystic hull
or maybe not by a legal entity, I guess freelance counts?
dense heath
everyone is a legal entity
mystic hull
Next question, how do you define "seniority"? I see firms giving you that title at 5-7 years of experience, so roughly 25-30 years old on average π€
But it feels reaaaaally loose, I don't quite grasp what "senior" even is anymore
west sonnet
If you made the mistake of getting a game design degree + the standard 1-2 years unemployment (for that career). Late early 20s-mid 20s isnβt a far off estimate
mystic hull
I mostly started at 19-20-ish
Degrees are too mainstream, I guess π
I admittedly am horrible when it coems to career management, though
I just happen to find jobs is how I've been going at it so far
vocal meadow
I made this mod and got a job working with strange hardware from it. https://youtu.be/H9tAGGp93oM Didn't go to school or anything, just word of mouth got me first job
seniority is anyones guess btw, its completely up to the people applying names to roles
mystic hull
Thats some video quality my man π
vocal meadow
old digital video camera of age
mystic hull
Looks ahead of its time though bad phrasing
west sonnet
Now he makes magic water
vocal meadow
essential oil of dihydrogen monoxide
west sonnet
Thought it was dehydrated dihydrogen monoxide
mystic hull
What is magic water? π€
vocal meadow
hydrating dehydrated dihyrdrogen monoxide with exfoliants and antioxidants
west sonnet
Prefer to just set it on fire
vocal meadow
lol, yeah.
I've never really been interested in studio work at the big companies, have worked to get in a place where I can share experiences with the player that I find interesting and magic water is part of that.
mystic hull
Amen to that
vocal meadow
Its different now with how the industry has changed from when i got into it. But that said, you can still lose everything making games as most who try this path have (including myself). Just saying this cause it'd be misleading to not mention the hardship
bronze dew
@mystic hull being a senior does not mean years in industry
it's more based on your role... specifically leading others
admittedly your more likely to have been around a while if your a senior π
gentle chasm
Next question, how do you define "seniority"? I see firms giving you that title at 5-7 years of experience, so roughly 25-30 years old on average π€
@mystic hull it's because industry is/was really young, different countries "mature" with different speed
majority of devs finishing The Witcher 2 was under 30, older guys or guys with kids were rare
in such environment you actually marking senior anyone who already worked on bigger project, finished it up, was in proper place to mentor noobs
and such senior could become the department lead at the first oppportunity
and it's was quite common to jump from Junior to Specialist within year if somebody was simply good/effective
now it often slow down, it's weird to make guy with 3 years experience a senior if you have many guys with over decade experience (veterans!)
however, it's also just labels...
bigger studios need this basically to justify salary tiers (if there are tiers, not just everyone negotiating his pay individually), and this became a funny thing when company runs out of ranks: junior, specialist, senior, lead
and then you have guy is better than "usual senior", but lead position is taken? who's the guy? "principal" or sth like that... could be also called Palladin, if you ask me, all just labels... π
another take on this: senior is the guy who knows his stuff, he's planning his implementation better thanks to experience with prior projects - not just to have the feature implemented, but to foresee possible issue: performance-wise, how to make so would be easy to others to use it, how to make so it would survive design changes and won't have be refactored just a month after implementing it, etc.
and so many people in small teams have no idea how implement things properly or design systems/tools, so if team have a guy who see dozens of failures in team operations just by coming to the office and starting work... he's your senior and he's gonna ask you to change the way you work π
flat gazelle
First job at 19. First senior role at 24ish. First associate lead at 27 or so. First full on lead at 29/30.
mystic hull
That's quite neat o_o
flat gazelle
And titles are funky. Leads and expert/principal tracks are not the same.
I'm lead over a guy with twice my experience.
But he's an expert/principal.
flat gazelle
I wanted to be lead. Then I hired him.
He used to be my boss at a different company
When I was associate lead, he was Lead
Lead is a separate track with more managerial duties, like staffing, planning and training.
Experts are just really fucking good at getting work done.
mystic hull
Ah, makes sense π
flat gazelle
This all varies a lot between companies. Ubisoft has a fairly short ladder with pretty well defined guidelines for promotions. EA has a lot of grades and a very convoluted system. I mean, I think it starts at like grade 12 or something :S
And those grades can then translate to weird titles like senior desinger 2.
Which is higher rank than senior designers.
And so on
It's varied and messy AF π
west sonnet
Oh god the grades
mystic hull
Ehhhhhh the heck tbh
I've always preferred working in smaller teams
I can just participate a lot more, it feels
flat gazelle
I think some Director levels start around 24
I can't even remember what I had
Ubi is easy by comparison.
ashen lynx
Master Lead Expert Important Person of Experts Extreme.
mystic hull
lul
west sonnet
Environment artist 1= entry
Environment artist 3= senior
flat gazelle
Junior -> Intermediate -> Senior ->Expert/Lead depending on what you want.
Yeah, and that's just the HR side of it
Then the grades change names between studios
As many EA studios don't want to use the levels, and go junior, associate and so on.
So comparing two titles is a pretty pointless task
west sonnet
Yep
mystic hull
I'm more or less trying to figure out what my title would be in my next job
Or rather, what I should call it, in my resume π
flat gazelle
Next time I'm putting out a CV I'm changing my freelance title to second assistant janitor.
one man company = Pick any title you want
dense heath
why only one?
flat gazelle
Huh?
west sonnet
Because no one will take you seriously. In which you demonstrate that you cannot commit, work in a team, nor specialize in anything
flat gazelle
For my regular job I just put ion whatever is in my contract.
mystic hull
Is it normal that an investor could get scammed by a dev though π€
dense heath
@flat gazelle in one man company you are CEO,CFO, VFX Director so why only one
flat gazelle
Because I'm only one person and titles in one man companys make no sense.
So I just pick one.
I think mine says VFX Director just because someone else did that and I found it funny
mystic hull
what about 3 man companies? π
west sonnet
Just send a mug shot of you with a pair of tryhard glasses at that point π
ashen lynx
If you have a 3 man company, 1 needs to be a shaman, and the other one - a bard. Third one will actually work. Shaman will boost your luck. Getting nowhere without a skilled one. Bard will keep morale high. And the third guy will do rest.
flat gazelle
Yep. I've never seen a bardless company of more than two people succeed.
mystic hull
Quality tips you guys π π
gentle chasm
fortunately "technical designer" does a trick of labelling person capable of design and programming
and "designer" already contains 20 different roles... so... π
vocal meadow
technical being the designation of programming?
gentle chasm
kinda π
mental drum
Isn't the guy that just do docs?
vocal meadow
thats the technical chief senior of documentation authority
mystic hull
Programmers should be called black magic specialists
west sonnet
More like arsonists and firemen
mystic hull
that works, too
gentle chasm
Isn't the guy that just do docs?
@mental drum source code is the best documentation π
mental drum
Or the worst, it depends, I have seen a nightmare write in 4 different languages back in the time spanglish^2
:p
bronze dew
Tech Artists can also be called designers if they create systems / workflows... weeeee confusing
mild kindle
@bronze dew those would be Tech Designers, who are more focused on design than art needs
bronze dew
they like to mix things up in my experiance
bronze dew
I think it all boils down to the company your with and how many shoes you gota fill (especially if it's a smaller place)
marsh stream
hey guys, just had a question in regards to portfolio level demonstration format ( level designers), wanted to ask your thoughts for what some of you would be considered a 'better' or more valuable to recruiters:
- Screenshots of level
- Video Walkthrough [camera travelling through level]
- Video Analysis [a video where one discusses the level, how it was achieved, the research conducted, one's thought process]
- Blog with video walkthrough [same as #3 but in the format of a blog with some images]
gentle chasm
5: playable level
the rest is just a way to lure people to download and open the level
decent video would definitely help, but level designer would be immediately asked to create a "test level"
perhaps not if your downloadable level already works and shows your skill
marsh stream
@gentle chasm ah ok. So when you say a decent video do you mean the analysis of what I did? or just a walkthrough? As for the playable level I could just attach a download Itch.io link or something under the video?
gentle chasm
both approaches sound good - it's all about to show you know what you're doing, why things are done this way
not just random placing cubes π
whatever it's easy to click & download π
I got level designer quickly hired after he sent "video overview" and ready-to-play level in genre on which studio was working on
marsh stream
ah Right. Got it. Thanks a lot @gentle chasm . Really helpful info! π π
vocal meadow
Wouldnβt say itβs critical to have playable for portfolio, Would put emphasis on need for pictures and video much higher. Itβs a safer thing for the company to review. Personally Iβm careful to not download random binaries, but might as well link to it if itβs there yeah
mystic hull
@vocal meadow mind if I PM you?
gentle chasm
I wonder if it would be possible to write down FAQ article for people trying to get to the industry... a basic reference... π€
granite bone
yeah that would be cool
marsh stream
I agree that would be fantastic
gentle chasm
s maybe some day π
it would be help it they would fire me from my job, would have more time for community service π
hardy grove
hello everyone
gentle stone
curious about how people handle things in regards to looking for jobs/being recruited while still at a job. A recruiter messaged me about looking for an intermediate unreal c++ programmer, but held back the name of the company/specifics in general.
I'm interested in hearing more about it but it's not like I'm looking to switch jobs right now. Im mainly looking to get some more information to get a feel for the national industry.
should I just answer "I'd like to hear more" and in the end still say "nah sorry"?
ashen lynx
If you determined at this point, that you'd inevitably go for nah sorry, why bother ?
hybrid phoenix
The odds of you actually getting meaningful information out of it without putting in proper effort yourself are rather slim - you'd also be massively wasting the recruiter's time
gentle stone
because I'm curious about the state of the industry and to position myself more strongly in the future, when it comes to wage expectations, benefits etc. @ashen lynx
and yeah @hybrid phoenix that's what I've been thinking might be the case, hence I wanted to see if someone has some experience in that regard
hybrid phoenix
In response to what you said to Deathrey; talk to people in the industry that are willing to talk about it
ashen lynx
Perhaps consider analyzing state of the industry without draining recruiter's time ?
hybrid phoenix
Heck, that recruiter might even be willing to talk about it with you for a little bit if you're open about it
gentle stone
now if information was readily available I'd gladly do that deathrey, please don't act as if I wasn't considering that given that this very reason is why I'm asking in the first place π
goosey, I found it particularly hard to find someone to openly talk about the stuff I'm doing because here in Germany I find many devs use unity much more so than unreal, and then finding people who talk about it is even harder. Perhaps just asking the recruiter for some more basic information about the job could do the trick already, you are right
hybrid phoenix
You'll likely want to talk to people internationally
Your odds of finding a job in the industry are significantly higher if you're willing to relocate
gentle stone
definitely, but I'm not looking for a job right now but rather I want to be able to evaluate my options better in the future. I have a job rn I'm happy with, but I might not stay there forever
hybrid phoenix
As far as I've seen, salaries and benefits very wildly throughout the industry - even in the same place
gentle stone
if that's the case here in Germany as well then I guess the point is moot
thank you
ivory olive
Quick question that I'm sure gets asked every day or so. I am a programmer who us going to school (online) for software engineering, I shipped a game to playstation, and I am working on a second game currently. Now that my background is out of the way here are my questions
- How should I present my portfolio? I want to just put a video of me walking around but is that impressive enough?
- Is there some steps I could take to getting a job soon? (Ignoring covid for the sake of information)
I am working on my degree but it wont be done this year. Is there anything I could do that I would get results sooner?
mystic hull
You don't need a degree to be hired as a software engineer, you need things done and demonstrable experience for the most-part (purely my experience)
So yes, if you can catch a recruiters' interest with your portfolio, then nail the code test & the interview, you'll be hired π€·ββοΈ
Has nothing to do with your degree, degree's just a plus, from my experience
not the main
I've not worked for AAA studios though, so take with a grain of salt π
ivory olive
Yeah that's why I am not really focusing so much on the degree. I really think I could find a job without it. But I haven't so much as seen a code interview. I'll have a recruiter reach out to me, I'll send them my resume and it kind of stops there. I can always rewrite my resume etc. But I feel like a portfolio might help me out. I passed the c++ competency test on LinkedIn and maybe could possibly take some certification classes. I also dont mind what area I am in. Whether it be software engineering or a gameplay programmer. Honestly I'd be up for anything I'm just not great with art hahaha
mystic hull
Don't do that kind of certifications, get the degree and make a portfolio
Did a couple of these tests, very superficial.
And yeah well, it's a little harder to demonstrate ability as ap rogrammer π
ivory olive
Yeah the degree is another 2 years off atleast. So I 100% am working towards that but as of right now I feel capable of a junior role and can pass practice code interviews.
Was just kind of curious if there was a quicker (doesnt have to be easier) way
mystic hull
For myself it was mostly getting lucky
Wait a bit for some of the more senior dudes in here to give you some hints, maybe π€·ββοΈ
ivory olive
For sure. I am very aware that luck is a large element to all of this
digital gate
Walking around is not going to impress anyone. Not unless you've made 3D QWOP and provide source for eval
But you don't have to go that far, an impressive port piece can just be a nice twist to an existing mechanic... but you have to demonstrate why that's very cool quickly.
Take a common take-home-test case, eg: Make the standout mechanic from _INSERT_GAME_ and do that in an interesting way that isn't straightforward and demonstrates elegance.
Have some Github presence too
ivory olive
Well, that's doable I appreciate it
vale belfry
For the portfolio of a programmer, should it be something like full projects? Or more like just the demonstration of core mechanics with basic graphics. Asking this because in my specific case, the mechanic which I aim to achieve pretty much comes along, but the looks? nope.
bronze dew
same things applies to animators.... can you make a sphere funny...
hybrid phoenix
Both are fine @vale belfry
In either case, it needs to prove you're a competent programmer, so make your source-code available
vale belfry
Yes, I have most of my projects uploaded to github. One more thing, does having a github presence a major factor?
I mean, all I do in github is upload my projects basically so I can access them later easily. Should I be looking into contributing to issues also?
wintry trellis
hi , can i find job (outsource) here as junior 3d artist ?
urban stump
No. #looking-for-work , check the pinned message
supple cliff
@vale belfry Speaking as someone taking a coding bootcamp, I was told on day one that employers check your github to see if you're coding consistently and pushing to github. They want to see lots of green, especially the dark green. They want to see if you code in your free time, if it's something you are passionate about or something you only dabble in.
vale belfry
@supple cliff Gotcha, thanks. Will push daily updates now instead of functionality by functionality.
Orrr I shall proceed to update my read me everyday xD.
fading scarab
I'd like to comment on this; I think companies looking to see contributions made by interviewees on sites like stackoverflow or github is asking too much, but depends on the job. If someone is looking for a reasonably competent coder, there are so many ways someone can demonstrate competency; tests, proposal of a problem and traversal of a solution, source code, ask someone to read some snippet of code and ask them to tell you what it is doing, read code and spot the error(s), how about a conversation.... People are entitled to have a life outside of being on the clock, and if someone frowns on you for not contributing to some opensource project or a community forum when off the clock (or never going off clock), or coding in your free time, I would not give them my time and go somewhere else. These days, businesses seemingly expect/invade more and more of that off clock time
digital gate
Anecdotally I have a terrible github presence and it didn't matter for me.
nova tartan
I've done quite a lot of programmer hiring over the last couple years now, I am the lead of our dev team
1: Github is not required. It just looks good to have it on your resume
2: Having really bad code on github is worse than having no github
3: Activity on github doesn't matter to me when evaluating if you get an interview, but if you are more active and interact with more people your chances of getting noticed increase dramatically. We've hired more than one person through their open source community efforts because they've worked with our company on open source packages we use.
4: If you are brand new github helps you stand out a bit. You are competing against many people with similar experience levels to you(a university education and maybe an internship or two), there are many applicants with that background and level of experience. You want to stand out with something more. If you are 5+ years experience it isn't necessary at all.
fading scarab
@nova tartan well written response. I like to look at it from another perspective: Do HR reps continually contribute to HR related communities in their downtime? How about sales people or CSRs? I feel development has this unnecessary, and unfair stigma attached to it that says, if you're not coding when not sleeping, you're not worth the money. I think an equally impressive way to stand out is with a very polished resume and a cover letter that grabs attention. Show you know who you're talking to, sprinkle a little comedy, make sure you map job expectations/experience/responsibilities to your experiences. HR is usually doing the headhunting (not always, but usually), then passes applicants off to departments. Assuming this is correct (which in my experience it is), you [unfortunately] have to grab HR's attention first, and the only way to do that is to wow them with a standout resume and awesome cover. There has not been one job that has not called me that I did not supply this stuff for.
split surge
Does anyone else get stuck on "preparing epic games launcher"
I have to delete the appdata EVERY TIME to load it
split surge
fair
vale belfry
@nova tartan @fading scarab Appreciate your responses! Thanks!
And yes, I'm still a university student so looking to maximise my chances.
tender canyon
Hi all :) Been kicking around some ideas in my head. I'm a senior dev working in FAANG, and I'm more or less on-track for PE over the next couple of years. But my heart is really not in it anymore. I've always wanted to do something in this industry, but I haven't been in the right place in life to make a serious consideration until now. Over the next year or two, what would be a good path for shifting industries? I'd be interested in working on either engines (even working on Unreal would be really cool), or working on the cloud platform side of things. Ideally, I'd like to find a role where I'm doing a good mixture of design work, but I imagine that's a pretty unrealistic expectation considering the shift in skills required.
So what I'm wondering is, should I wait until I'm a PE, then hop, or will it not matter that much.
Time is on my side here, so I'm really looking at a 3+ year timeline.
uncut perch
@ivory olive you're right you don't need a degree, but you still need to get one to get in the door. I was in the same boat, did a ton of coding even in high school and I kept applying for jobs myself until I got one. That job gave me a ton more experience and opened the doors for even more opportunities. I think a recruiter will put you low on the list since a junior position nets him less $$. He will prioritize his other clients. I would apply to as many positions myself with demos of games, feature demos, engine work, you've done(maybe post them on your website) while you pursue a degree. If by 2 years time you haven't landed a job, the degree will likely get you in by then. If you got a job, then you have a choice to work full time but I'd only do so if, 1) You're going to learn code theory(not just application) on your own and 2) the Job you have is a good job, can teach you a lot, and will be a huge thing on your resume
ivory olive
Yeah I understand that, I think the degree will help, but i know that it's kind of a fork in the road. Either I just finish my degree and wait 4 years. Or I do a myriad of small projects just to show that I am able. I think the better move is to do some plugins and useful features with the unreal engine, some other work, and finish my current game. It's all pretty much solo work, and I was kind of hoping the stigma of hobbyist work being next to worthless.
uncut perch
Not sure how you can't do that while pursuing a degree?
tender canyon
Having a degree will also make it easier if you decide to change industries while still early in your career.
west sonnet
More like: get a degree then spend the next few years on a myriad of hoppy projects
tender canyon
Though once you're in for a while, experience will win out regardless of your domain.
For example, if you don't have a degree but 2 years of games industry experience, it's still gonna be really hard if you want to hop from gamedev to say, fintech.
But if you've got 5+ years, then it's not gonna matter much.
uncut perch
@ivory olive Like everyone is saying. I think a degree is a no brainer, gives you a ton of options. Do the demos on the side.
Apply for work while you're at it(this takes a lot of time too but it also gives you experience selling yourself. Once you're out of school and if it takes you years to find a first job, people can look at that suspiciously)
ivory olive
Yeah for sure, I'm doing both it's not a mutually exclusive thing for me. The original question I had was not "which should I go all in on" but rather I was curious what specific things would help my resume.
tender canyon
Good resume pieces: Do a major side-project with a lot of technical depth. Take an OS class and put the OS project below your original project.
There, you now have a highly competitive resume for a new grad.
uncut perch
#1 degree is big, launched games is #2 and quality of games(flappy bird is ok..it's better than not launching but it's better to launch say, a fully functional match 3), Number 3 I'd say tech demos that shows you understand a lot of the tech, i.e. your own cloth simulation, global illumination engine, etc
tender canyon
Alternatively, a plugin or a suite released in an asset store.
uncut perch
yeah that's a good one
tender canyon
If launching a game isn't feasible for some reason, asset store stuff is a really good alternative.
Launching a game requires resources that you may just not have.
ivory olive
Yeah plugin was one of the projects I listed above. I also have already launched a game
west sonnet
What world do you live in where degree matter in the game industry? π
tender canyon
@west sonnet Yeah, which is why I'm more or less obliquely mentioning that you want a degree incase you get into gamedev and decide to run away ;P
Having the degree is really helpful for keeping your doors open.
uncut perch
It's more about when you're first starting off and you need to get in the door
ivory olive
I'm perfectly capable. I think I am going to follow the advice that of one of the initalial responses. I've spoken to many people that work in companies like blizzard entertainment and their number 1 thing is titles that have been shipped. And I will keep working on that. Obviously I am going to work towards my degree, but I am really looking for an oppurtunity before 4 years from now.
west sonnet
For the game industry. A degree means nothing. As birdwatcher stated, itβs for when you want to switch career. And for immigration
tender canyon
My name is right here my dude. :P
I don't know much about immigration, but yeah, having a degree is probably critical for visa.
uncut perch
there are 2 birds and a cat here...
west sonnet
@tender canyon have a internet peck on the cheek π
ivory olive
Yeah I mean I've been coding video games and personal projects for 12 years with 1 professionally shipped title on playstation. I am not worried in the slightest about switching careers once I am in...
tender canyon
blushes
uncut perch
@west sonnet I think not having a degree still closes a lot of doors for you even in the game industry, especially when you're entering. There's a lot of qualified people. Unless you're talking about indie games then a degree does matter and give you more available jobs.
tender canyon
Closes?
ivory olive
Yeah closes, it makes sense, it doesnt look like a typo
uncut perch
(I edited sterlin)
ivory olive
Ah
west sonnet
Again. Would like to know what world you live in. My certification is currently used as toilet paper. Very very expensive toilet paperπ
uncut perch
California
tender canyon
Seattle.
uncut perch
Ton of game devs here...easy to get 1000 resumes
tender canyon
Same
uncut perch
junk the ones without degrees usually..it's a thing
tender canyon
Won't confirm or deny that
ivory olive
I've talked to a few recruiters and they sometimes say that it's not required but I'm certain it's just based on what that company values and what position.
west sonnet
Generally, portfolio is what matters. Walk the talk
wary idol
Experience is way more valuable than a degree. Got my current job without a degree and before that had a few big AAA teams reach out to me just based on the plugins I released and my personal project
tender canyon
@wary idol Can you PM me the plugins you wrote? I'm debating if writing plugins will be a good move for me career-wise.
I just want to see some examples of work.
wary idol
Sure, give me a sec
tender canyon
Thanks :)
bronze dew
I've used my degree a total of... never...
it's more important if your dealing with the "scientific / research" areas of gaming.. such as physics.... simulations... stuff like that... but you don't need it for art... you just.. don't
flat gazelle
I've dropped out twice. #NoDegreeLoserClub
Both was because I got jobs that were more interesting than the studies, but still.
rigid elk
Talking about degrees, I am in the last sem. of my Computer science degree, went through some shit, flunked my 2nd year, got back on track. I wanted to get in the industry so I got a job as a QA tester. Happy as I am now, I want to switch to the dev. side of things. I am decent with C++ and I've been learning UE lately, its really fun. Now I have a marksheet that looks really bad and no experience as a game dev. to show. Someone said something about a portfolio, What sort of portfolio should I be working on, so a recruiter would look over my marksheet which has more than a dozen retests on itπ ?
west sonnet
Plugin, small project, system showcase, repos, open source contribution
digital gate
Literally any of that
little quiver
Hallo all!
bronze dew
real world does not care about marksheets
jade glade
Does someone of you have an address where can i look for some work regarding UX Research/User Testing?
mystic hull
that was fast. π
barren lotus
My coworker is giving a live-stream presentation on breaking into the industry and power of failure at The XP Game Developers Online Conference: https://mixer.com/XP_Online
unkempt grail
Just a quick question, am I the only teenager here?
west sonnet
Probably
lament osprey
wary idol
I'm 20, close enough :P
hybrid phoenix
You're definitely not
bronze dew
tooo old π
bronze dew
Signed my contract for my new Job!
mystic hull
Eyyyyyy congrats! π
bronze dew
Moving from Troubleshooting TA to Environmental TA!
no more trying to make VR work for me!
5 years.....
I want to celebrate
bronze dew
Just fixing things for years... pays well... but itβs hard to make a name or move forward
flat gazelle
Nice! Going from making things work to making things look good is a fine move!
hybrid phoenix
Can you disclose where you'll be working?
marsh stream
Congrats @bronze dew ! π₯³
vocal meadow
Woo
bronze dew
@marsh stream thanks :)! @hybrid phoenix Untill I have been there a couple weeks... I think it would be.... inappropriate π
west sonnet
This is not the channel for that. @zenith prairie Please use #looking-for-talent and refer to #more-resources on how to post there
pastel estuary
^
zenith prairie
Alright, thanks for the heads up
vale belfry
(Probably I do not have enough information) But where do I exactly find open source games to contribute to? As I look around github most are years old or just small solo projects?! Where can I find something I can contribute to? Or are the smaller solo project issues I should aim for?
mystic hull
There aren't many open source games, really
vale belfry
That defeats my purpose. I cannot actually commit that I'll be able to do it. Open source contributions are better that way, I can see the problem, try to solve it, and if I can, do it
patent mountain
theres that ocean project, you can ask the devs if they accept contributors
pastel estuary
which is why I think asking people for permanent rev-share roles can be quite a mistake, why not ask them for small contributions?
vale belfry
@patent mountain could you give out a link or a full name something for me to go search for?
@mystic hull will surely check that out!
mystic hull
Still in it's early stages, but you should find stuff there to do sometime soon
patent mountain
i know EvoPulse is specifcally looking for help with inverse spherical vector math (but might be looking for more as well)
and hes on discord if you search his github name is the same as on discord
vale belfry
Inverse spherical vector math. That doesn't sound like something I can help with for sure :P. But I'll look into other issues as well. Thanks!
patent mountain
LoL
plucky hatch
hi does anyone use a macbook here
hybrid phoenix
For UE4? I seriously doubt it
hallow tide
what do you think someone of my modelling skill should charge say hourly for commissions? https://www.artstation.com/deathblossom47 (my portfolio)
im new to commissions and i need advice π€
hallow tide
ive heard double the minimum wage of your country but i think thats for more advanced people
than i am
west sonnet
It is a skilled job π€·ββοΈ
Shoot higher than you normally would. Chances are, the rates will be haggled down
Worst case. Look at the income reported for full time
Then the income reported from the clientβs area
Of similar position of course
hallow tide
i heard it comes down to how skilled someone is
west sonnet
Thatβs true for anything
Look at entry level position for reference if you lack such confidence
hallow tide
its less of a confidence thing more of a idk how good i am and stuff
like i find it hard to compare something i make to something someone else makes
and i dont want to get ahead of myself with things like prices
west sonnet
Thatβs the definition of confidence. The certainty of truth π
hallow tide
fair enough
west sonnet
This is something more so gain through experience. Youβll make many mistakes initially. Deal with bad clients and whatnot. But know youβre at least building up experience in how to market yourself
though Iβm of the philosophy that bad clients are a waste of time
That will be a bitter lesson π
hallow tide
thanks
buoyant latch
@hallow tide in America maybe $15 per hour or so? Your modeling is ok, you probably need to work on your smoothing groups a bit. And you could use more tris on things, especially for portfolio stuff. Donβt wanna give you a full on portfolio critique cause you didnβt ask for it, but id say that sounds like semi-reasonable rate to me judging by your portfolio.
hallow tide
Thanks, I'll look into smoothing groups since so far I've been using blenders auto smooth thing
flat gazelle
If you charge as low as $15/h you are part of the problem with this industry. You are driving the race to the bottom. Please don't.
green oyster
I think some smaller studios from USA hire contractors from developing nations at around 15-17$/h. don't think they offer more. so it depends where you are
digital gate
If you're just getting jobs off the forums, this discord, or other communities like the forum or this discord... maybe.
flat gazelle
And the only way to make them offer more is is people stop accepting such low bids.
hybrid phoenix
^
green oyster
@flat gazelle yeah but it's not a low bid. it's a huge salary, especially if it's full time. did you know average salary in Moldova is $350? why would anyone there NOT accept $2500?
flat gazelle
sigh Fuck it. I don't freelance anymore so I don't care. You can tank the freelance industry if you want. At least you know YOU are the problem.
green oyster
that's how it is for the rest of the world sorry
of course I wouldn't expect 15$ in any western country
west sonnet
Imagine how much richer youβd be π
flat gazelle
If you are working in a low income country, for a studio in the same country, sure go ahead. But now the question was regarding accepting 15 from the US. If you do so, you are actively destroying the industry for everyone.
green oyster
I don't think so. Sites like fiverr or freelancer or upwork are destroying it with a race to the bottom
green oyster
By asking for 5$ per character
digital gate
The point is that participating in that helps the site tank it
When I freelanced, most places that I even bothered looking at had no problem with my rate and those that did ended up tanking due to non financial reasons
green oyster
there are outsourcing studios in eastern europe that work with US companies and are asking for 15$, and pay their employees from that. some small US studios can't afford 45$ per hour, and maybe have a lot of menial tasks to do for their art, and the outsourcing studios are really well off on 15$, in their respective countries
yeab but in what country?
digital gate
US
flat gazelle
The Mafia kills people so therefore it's fine if I do so.
digital gate
I'd also work remotely with people from other places
green oyster
it's a whole different story if you're from eastern europe
flat gazelle
I worked in Sweden. I charged the same from my clients in the US as I did from the one in Vietnam.
green oyster
that's an unfair comparison @flat gazelle
flat gazelle
I might be. I think you are unfair as you try to ruin livelihoods of others on the server.
So I guess we're at some kind of impasse.
green oyster
am I? what if somene from Moldova refuses 15$/hour from US based on your advice? they're never gonna get a foot in the industry if they refuse 15$. their livelihoods are at stake maybe?
green oyster
that's how the industry is. US studios are asking for cheaper labour, we (third worlders) are responding. and if we're refusing that (really good) money, is going to go somewhere else. it's not something we can change by refusing (that means going out of work). I'll be happy to accept more money, but those studios have to offer it (and they don't want to)
green oyster
think it's based on average country salary
flat gazelle
How do they even know what country you are in?
Whenever a client contacted me, they asked for my rate, not my adress
green oyster
@vocal meadow it's not a race to the bottom, but for most bang for your buck. LIke 3$/hour artist - it might not have the skills or vision to do that task, or cultural differences, etc
vocal meadow
Remember your skill is a bargaining thing here. There is value in skill, not where your from
green oyster
@flat gazelle I actually worked a few months for a US studio in freelance, and their ad specificaly mentioned eastern europe or latin countries
west sonnet
Out the studio. We will vilify them
Thatβs like advertising for a certain ethic slave while wearing a confederate hat
green oyster
@vocal meadow true, but also, some branches of the industry have a lower cap, so to say, depending on specialization. like with VFX, you can't go low due to the technical knowledge required, I would say. but doing LODS? cleaning 3d scans? or upscaling assets? etc
@west sonnet haha yeah...π
west sonnet
Dm me if you prefer
vocal meadow
There should be some sort of listing of studios that pull this crap tbh
green oyster
@west sonnet I would prefer not to out them
but it happens
I'm happy to jump at US rates, but a lot of the freelance positions companies are looking for are just like this
only in devleoping countries though
if you're in the western world, just ask a proper rate
west sonnet
Again. Why would you reveal your address?
green oyster
they were sending some equipment over for videocalling
west sonnet
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green oyster
I never thought of that honestly
like it's usually in the first emails
it's in my CV
artstation
west sonnet
US is a splatmap of ethic diversity (in majour cities to be fair). Iβve heard a rainbow of accents, I would not think twice if someone could barely speak English and claim that they live in the US
Or not speak English at all
That is normal and expected
green oyster
I'm not sure about that, I for one wouldn't work with someone if I can't communicate 100% with them
ashen lynx
The best freelance work, is the one, that has least comms. By strange coincidence, it is also the best paid one.
west sonnet
Long story short. Your address should never be revealed until after contract had been signed. For theyβll see it in the invoice and scheduling
If they make assumptions based on your accent. Then theyβre a racist piece of shit.
nova tartan
I would care about address because if someone is 12 hours offset from me timezone wise communication will be a pain in the ass
vocal meadow
Plenty of people willing to do night shifts
green oyster
@west sonnet I don't see how that can work...I usually get contracts and have to fill in my company details and address, then send it to them for signing it
nova tartan
I live in canada and our other office is in the UK
What happens is that canadian people have to show up to work early and UK people show up to work late to create some overlapping work hours to communicate
But there are places people can be where even that isn't enough
And having to do like voice calls off work hours sucks
west sonnet
And?
Negotiations are mostly over at that point
They can say yes or no
Even then. Company can be registered in one area and the employee located in another
So again, if theyβre trying to renegotiate, theyβre an assumptive piece of shit
vocal meadow
I donβt think itβs okay for companies to assume they can get a lower rate by geolocation really either
I could understand a company entirely based in a single country having adjusted rates but over the internet it really should not be a matter
nova tartan
Companies have been outsourcing since forever
Manufacturing moves entire factories to different countries to get cheaper labor
It's not an easy to solve problem
ashen lynx
It will always be so, provided, that there are individuals or entities, willing to accept the rate.
west sonnet
I adjust my rates based on client location. Thatβs about it
green oyster
willing to accept the rate. you're making it sound like that for whoever accepts it, it's a compromise, but for them, that rate is making them live like kings
west sonnet
You can live like an emperor instead
vocal meadow
You should be really
green oyster
@west sonnet π
Have you tried asking for 300$ per hour on your next project?
Live like a bigger emperor
west sonnet
I have asked for higher rates yes
Some clients insisted on higher rates infact
And Iβve done the same when hiring people
Tripled their rates
ashen lynx
There is no sin starting off from 15$ or lower. But if you keep it for longer, you are a problem for yourself and for your fellow colleagues.
tiny cloak
What cities in USA/Canada hire a lot of UE4 developers?
for searching
I know Atlanta , San-Fransisco and Montreal
Denver (is unfortunately on the other hand) very limited.
kindred mason
Why would you even bother looking up cities?
@tiny cloak Why wouldn't you just concentrate on the job posting itself and what requires of you and also what the company is like?
UE4 jobs are all over the place in USA/Canada (less so in canada...because it's well Canada, and they only have two real cities right?)
Montreal and Vancouver is all I know about my brethen up top
mystic hull
I also wouldn't look for an engine specific role
hybrid phoenix
If you're actually looking, getting a good recruiter's not a bad idea
mystic hull
More-so a well defined role, using whatever tool/engine
You never know what you'll end up with, but it's a better way to look for jobs imo
barren lotus
With most everyone WFH right now it's probably the best time to apply to start remotely and plan the move later down the road
kindred mason
So, then don't go to Canada
Or Washington state
Actually just stay in Cali, San Fran and south
hybrid phoenix
The only caveat to all this... is if you like nice weather
I'm hoping to move to a place with tropical climate one day. Not many gamedev studios in those places :v
So for now
tiny cloak
I applied for a job in Vancouver and Washington before. In Denver now. Almost no UE4 jobs here.
hybrid phoenix
I'm moving from the Netherlands to the UK π
kindred mason
Denver is also terrible for weather
hybrid phoenix
Because why not go to a place with even worse weather
kindred mason
But if this has nothing to do with weather, please stop looking at cities and concentrate more on the job postings and company history π
tiny cloak
got it
kindred mason
You'll find UE4 work almost anywhere
hybrid phoenix
Yup, agreed with Victor
barren lotus
Check out Austin, Certain Affinity and Arkane are both using UE4. No income tax here and good food.
kindred mason
And yes, remote work is DEFINITELY even more so anywhere
kindred mason
Hmm
So, only because I've been to both, I would know this.
But if you're looking for a greater chance of success in the industry, it'll be Seattle, hands down
You'll have much better chance for connections that will span years
tiny cloak
Good to know
kindred mason
Also, I only know of one or two studios in Phoenix area.
kindred mason
Yeah, don't look at cities.
Any legit studio will pay for relocation anyway
Just find your "dream job" that you qualify for (or maybe slightly almost qualify for...since most job posting go above and beyond what they really need to scare people shitless to weed out the newbs)
tiny cloak
yeah, many job postings want both a graphic designer and a C++ programmer as the same person. Dumb, people just don't know the industry.
flat gazelle
Where did you find a job like that? O.o
fickle hatch
Do you also want an aerospace engineer with that?
celest hemlock
did they also want 10 years of experience with unreal engine 4
hybrid phoenix
Depending on how awfully the posting's written, go ahead and apply anyway. It's likely the posting was written by HR, whereas the actual recruitment wouldn't be and they'll know that the posting's weird
Some are indeed just horrendous
But often times it's a matter of being okay enough to get past HR (recruiters and/or connections help here) and then the people who actually have some idea what they're talking about come into play
tiny cloak
Any of you know of links to the worst projects that were approved for a UE4 Grant?
so I know what the cut-off is for getting approval
or even the best projects that were un-approved?
hybrid phoenix
I know of some stunning projects which've been rejected
Haven't been keeping track of the ones that've been getting the grants though
tiny cloak
do you have links to those projects (video recordings of gameplay maybe?)
ashen lynx
I think you should make something great, before deciding to apply, not the other way around.
fickle hatch
Or you can be a real chad and make your portfolio right before the hiring interview
While waiting for your turn
west sonnet
I think you should make something youβre genuinely proud of.
tiny cloak
Of course I wouldn't spend hours of my time making something I didn't enjoy.
I was more thinking, do people just work a normal dev job and then pivot to a game dev job, or do they just go into business themselves once they have success and with a financial cushion.
vocal meadow
Generally someone decides they want to do this to a living then tries to obtain work doing it, but not always.
digital gate
I literally did that, for instance. Beeline straight towards a position
spice dagger
When i got out of school i got a trade, i built up my programming knowledge and experience over time on the side of having a fulltime job for years.
Then when i was comfortable, i made the switch fulltime to game dev.
fickle hatch
My experience of employment is probably least helpful. I worked on many side projects during university (or maybe the university was a side project), a company then hired me right after to do control systems for UAV's and later lead the aircraft team, then I started my own company
spice dagger
I think the best thing to take away would be that there are many paths you can take to where you want to get, you just need to choose one that benefits you the most. Remembering that the quickest path isnt always the best.
night stump
@spice dagger what was your trade?
spice dagger
Electrician
I did that for about 5 years fulltime, then went parttime to focus more on Gamedev, after about 2 years i went fulltime Gamedev.
That was roughly 5 years ago now.
Maybe more, i cant remember lol its been so long.
kindred mason
@spice dagger I'm surprised you haven't done an Electrician Sim yet
spice dagger
If i felt the urge id just go back to work with my old boss... lol
wintry trellis
hi guys, can you give advice how to find remote job? where should we search and ...
digital gate
Discipline?
kindred mason
@wintry trellis
Step 1: Have a portfolio
Step 2: Look on #looking-for-talent , Unreal Forums, & any number of freelancer websites out there like upwork or freelancer.
Step 3: Apply to all that don't say anything about "must relocate"
Step 4: Get a job or get rejected
Step 5: Rinse and repeat
wintry trellis
thank you @kindred mason
pastel estuary
read the pinned message.
removed the post because its a nono
(the pinned message in the looking for talent channel) or #more-resources
knotty scroll
Hi, only posting here cause this is the only Dev server im on atm, and looking for help. My entire life I've been building my skills at Object Based Programming. I am looking to take a job as a JR Data Analyst using SQL (way outside of my "Norm" but I'll take what I can get lol) Im picking up SQL quite quickly. Data Pulls are so much easier than Logic... Anyway, my main question is, does anyone have any tips for when taking the plunge into a new language? I just feel, because its job related, alot more pressure on my mental state. By tips im referring to testing sites that are legitimately credentialed, literature that is easily accessible (also free lol XD), etc. Thanks in advance!
vocal meadow
Most of the time you want to understand what the language likes and does not like
vocal meadow
That will make learning it easier. Trying to not have it work differently thank it wants to. Yeah, things like python your meant to think action when, action when for example. where most other stuf is when: action, when: action
getting a feel for "why does this language exist" can help you understand and make educated guesses on how things work as you get deeper into them
mystic hull
I was hoping noone would notice 
vocal meadow
I missed what happened, if that was to protect anyone though that might not have been a great thing to do lol
lilac walrus
I have no idea what it was for, I was halfway through reading it whilst it was being purged
makes no sense
mystic hull
Quite off-topic, advice was given where possible
carmine siren
The messages were off topic and therefore removed
scenic moon
Can I post a Blender paid position description (with no identifying information) here, to see if you all think the rate is reasonable for the job? I know there are subjective variables like experience, lurking here I've learned a few red flags look for, just wanted an opinion from some of the experienced users here
west sonnet
I almost directed you to go #looking-for-talent just out of knee-jerk reaction
Go for it. Post the draft
scenic moon
Sorry to be clear, I'm not the one hiring, I saw the position and I'm just wondering what the general consensus is on a position like this:
Subject: Animation of a rocket engine
Description: In the frame of a scientific documentary, I have to illustrate how a rocket engine works. I already have paid someone to create the detailed mesh of the engine based on technical documentation, including gears, injectors, etc. The objective is now to show how the engine starts, where the fuel/oxydizer go while running, etc. The general output I expect should look like this: https://youtu.be/t3J61QaVaOU?t=18 (starting from the 18th second), with a nicer-looking rendering though. The expected video would last ~2 minutes, and fluids/gas running through a meshed engine is the only thing to animate (well, with rotating gears but those are already animated). Based on our discussion, we should agree either for a full rendering or for an updated Blender model that would allow me to just take the camera shots I'd like.
Payment: $10+/h (dependent on experience and quality). Professionnal only, I need a quote and an invoice. If you're a skilled animator but cannot provide an official invoice to my company, our collaboration is not possible.
west sonnet
Dude wants a vfx artist to do fluid physics. Not an animatior.
vocal meadow
I would expect something more cad than blender for all this tbh
subtle shoal
$10/hr?! suppose it depends a bit on where you live but that's not close to a sustainable rate
barren lotus
QA start at $10/hr at big studios
west sonnet
Youβre comparing vfx artist to an entry level qa position?
barren lotus
Just adding to the comment directly above mine in pointing out there are people that somehow manage to live off it even in major cities. I agree with Raskec too it's very low, regardless of position.
scenic moon
Ty for the input, if you were starting out and trying to gain portfolio experience, would you take it?
shut tree
300 and u prolly dont deal with proper invoice π
vocal meadow
It sounds like a nightmare project, animating liquids. For a portfolio piece, idk how much your getting out of it
west sonnet
Saying no because this isnβt an animation job. Itβs vfx.
vestal kernel
Hey! I'm new to UnrealEngine and was thinking how the "pay 5% when your product succeeds"
vocal meadow
Unreal Engine End User License Agreement for Publishing: This license is free to use and incurs 5% royalties when you monetize your game or other interactive off-the-shelf product and your gross revenues from that product exceed $3,000 per quarter.
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/faq
basically once you make $3000.01 within a quarter (3 months) of the year they're due $150.00 from that $3000.01
and by make i mean gross revenue @vestal kernel
vestal kernel
@vocal meadow So i need to pay them 4 times a year if my product succeeds?
or just once?
vocal meadow
no
150 is 5% of 3000
you give them 5% of what you make in gross revenue, but you aren't due anything until it exceeds 3000
every quarter there after is how i read it
vestal kernel
Okay, so i pay them the 5% 4times a year?
vocal meadow
if you make more than 3k yes
vestal kernel
Okay!
vocal meadow
if you sell on epic game store, they waive it
steam and retailers will take much more than the additional 5%
vestal kernel
Yeah i was thinking selling it on steam, but i need to think about that
vocal meadow
I'm not sure that EGS is a open platform yet like steam is too.
(I've got no idea if its there yet, if someone wants to correct me)
so you might not be able to get on EGS.
but yeah 5% is a great value imo
vocal meadow
iirc, EGS is something like 12% if you can get on it. All these percent's are likely subject to personal agreements though. Highly doubt the big publishers are paying this much
vestal kernel
Yeah!
vocal meadow
blame the indie trend
brand your game indie and its never worth more than 19.99 and your percent of income is way lower than big guys
vestal kernel
Now I just need to study the unrealengine in general. I moved from unity to unreal just because the graphical things
Yep π₯
flat gazelle
Big publishers all have their own store because of the percentage
vocal meadow
hiss uplay π
it boggles my mind a bit that steam and egs agree to do what they do with publisher stores the way they do. but when you got the games people want, it gives you power i suppose
vestal kernel
So is the 5% like the payment of the software, like is the free version the "best" version?
nova tartan
Digital distribution and storefront is not a particularly challenging endeavour these days, so pure storefronts don't have much power aside from the userbase(admittedly huge), they still need the games.
vestal kernel
Yeah it's pretty big cut if you are trying to make money!
But i think my project will be under the 3k anywaysπ
vocal meadow
Yea Carthage, I just mean: You'd think steam would put a foot down on the nonsense of these extrenal stores for the consumer
west sonnet
Money pat. Money
vocal meadow
such as: "No we'll not allow that."
yeah, and I could see all these big stores working together to not have to compete
nova tartan
steam has consoles, egs, gog, and publisher stores as competition
if they say "no you can't do this" publishers make the game available elsewhere and steam gets no cut instead of some cut
From their perspective trying to force publishers away from things probably means a strict decrease in profits
vocal meadow
yeah i understand why its not lucrative to say no.
west sonnet
take it to #industry-chat
pastel estuary
@plucky hatch this is not the #looking-for-talent section. please read the #old-rules to clear some things up :)
also, please dont ask the same thing in multiple channels.
tender canyon
Just cause I'm curious, but I pretty much already know the answer: When putting together a resume as an engineer, does it help to include any samples of artistic skills like promo art that I've done, music, etc? Or is that just noise to a recruiter?
west sonnet
are you an artist? π
west sonnet
Is the position art related
tender canyon
I've made key art, promo art, concept art etc. that's at a serviceable level. I'm not like, Ruan Jia or something, but I can do it. I wouldn't be applying for any art asset positions, but what I'm wondering is if it helps as part of a technical loop to have that sort of skill included, or if it's just noise that's gonna bog down any interview processes.
nova tartan
You have to be very confident in your work to include it on a resume. I've turned down candidates because they had poor quality work examples.
tender canyon
I mean, I'm like 99% sure the answer is no, it's not helpful at all, but I could be surprised.
I'm pretty confident, but I'd sanity check it with somebody who's you know, actually in the industry :P
nova tartan
Also it sends a mixed message "does this guy want to do software development or does he want to be an artist"
tender canyon
@nova tartan Does it help if it's good, or is it something that can really only be used against you.
Mm, yeah, sounds like it's really leaning towards the latter.
west sonnet
That's what I'm confused about
tender canyon
Makes sense.
west sonnet
why are you including music and crap when you're apply as an engineer?
If one can't even demonstrate their understanding of the responsibilities of the position, you're not in good shape.
tender canyon
Hah. Yeah, I can imagine it'd be funny if somebody submitted an art portfolio to a recruiter and was like "Here's my resume."
Oh, you know how I can simply this question? Ask the recruiter when I'm looking at a specific position.
Bam, problem solved.
Also, HighTide, I dunno. I guess it's something I consider important about myself and the way I'd like to be seen. But on the other hand, that's probably something that's more useful after the foot is in the door.
tender canyon
I could list the computer, art, and music merit badges I got ;P
"My qualifications: As a teenager, I spent 3 days of summer camp doing 2 hour drawing sessions, while older boy scouts bullied me. So I think I'm emotionally capable of handling this job."
vocal meadow
Who knows what theyβll take seriously I guess but sentiment of βI can prepare for tortuous work conditionsβ isnβt fair to you and might offend the person reviewing. (But really, last part, probably unlikely)
tender canyon
I get the feeling that my sense of humor may not be translating well here
rocky vector
It depends on the job specifics, talking as a software engineer with a mechanical background, applying to robotics jobs they care about my mechanical background because I'll be working with mechanical engineers - I can understand them. Applying for pure software they don't care (if anything it's a negative) because it's not relevant to the job
So if the job has you working closely (by which I mean back and forth regularly) with musicians // artists then yeah mention it. But if you're applying for e.g. a network programmer position they probably don't care, and see it (potentially) as you not focussing on the task at hand.
vocal meadow
If there was sarcasm ther bird catcher Iβve come to expect anything so idk
tender canyon
That's fair.
I'm closing in on my 100th interview (as the interviewer) and...you meet some people.
Some very interesting people.
vocal meadow
βPile of secretsβ - Dracula
plucky hatch
What are some good portfolio pieces for this line of work? May sound obvious but I just want to make sure.
Pieces of code you've written?
west sonnet
What line of work? Boyscouts?
west sonnet
Thatβs not a position
plucky hatch
Thanks that is good info.
west sonnet
Thereβs several hundred roles in the industry
plucky hatch
Ah I see, so even within the title of developer there is more narrow specialization.
Like Game Engine developer, maybe.
west sonnet
No
The basic devision are; programming, art, design, audio, qa, production
So. Technical artist, environment artist, system designer, animation programmer, to name a random assortment
plucky hatch
Thank you for the information
tender canyon
How fungible is an engineer in a studio? Is it difficult to switch internally between domains?
nova tartan
That's company specific
hybrid phoenix
I suspect that'll heavily depend on the company, but also whether there's an in-house engine with its own engineers
stark bough
I have a question, But first... this article... (for industry noobs like me)
https://medium.com/@Slayemin/your-indie-game-dev-team-will-fail-108d4b663e7e such a good article (pls don't let it put you off) I was basically asking google what makes the industry difficult at the lower end... and yeah.. have a read, I joined twitter literally to send a ty to the author (I don't do social media)
Which brings me onto my question... I want to make a portfolio, GIFs would be good, but not needed... I have heard much about many places... Where should i make a portfolio?
Predominantly models, Though i plan to do a small 'other' portion π Ty in advance!
pastel estuary
@stark bough go to GDC's youtube channel and check all the "killer portfolio or portfolio killer" videos :)
ember matrix
Hey guys, most of you probably have careers in tech. Which generally is a bit introverted field, it comes down to focusing on what you are doing and building up these abstract thoughts in your head and solving problems even if you are on a team. but there you have somewhat of a healthy life. I assume there is the other side of it, the working-from-home side, which is where I am in. Which leads to my main question and currently as much as I don't like to look for help or look weak but its f-ing lonely. Have no friends, no social life. have business partner who doesn't give a damn about me, all talk is usually about business and then "See ya!", we mostly chat and that only happens few times a week. How the heck do I solve this? How do you find friends in 21st century as an adult? Without coming of as desperate or like a loser. It's really getting to a point where I hug my pillow and pretend that it is a woman (I know..). I mean there is nothing wrong with me, I'm a normal guy but its just that I have no friends right now but I dont want to be desperate, I guess Im too proud to be the one that initiates something with someone else, I want them to come to me for some reason..
Cmon, this server has a combined IQ of quadrillion you must have some ideas how to solve this mess I have created
I really need to solve the social life issue
its killing me]
mystic hull
Work != social life, you don't necessarily make friends at work
Personally, most of my friends are completely unrelated to my career
ember matrix
yeah but you have a shot to make a friend
mystic hull
That's an important distinction to make, too. Mix your bags and you're in for some tough issues
ember matrix
when you are in your underwear all alone all day its none to say Hi to
west sonnet
Your coworkers arenβt your friends.
mystic hull
Go out, play games, there are tons of ways to make friends outside of work really
west sonnet
Get a hobby, join groups, do community services
mystic hull
Find clubs or groups that participate in things you're intrested in
It's as easy as asking someone to become your friend, really π
ember matrix
why the fuck am I so proud to do it
I dont understand my psych
Im terrified of being rejected
west sonnet
Yes watch. Yo Blue, you want to play Secret Hitler sometime? I have a group that does it ever now and again π
mystic hull
Hell yeah, we friends now? 
west sonnet
Bahaha
mystic hull
I legit don't know the guy, and definitely would play with him
It's quite literally that simple, whether the other peer accepts or not doesn't matter, it'll more often than not hit & you'll gain a new friend π€·ββοΈ
ember matrix
I have sick ambition, I don't like to hang out to go do useless stuff. I actually realize now, I want coworkers not friends, I just miss having people around, I love working
mystic hull
That's unhealthy π€
ember matrix
but anyways, I have just signed up for guided meditation free class, will open up there, just say Im pretty lonely and would like to hang out sometimes
west sonnet
No idea who Blue is either. But I will be sending them dm notifications of any random game parties that occur. Until they grow bored, annoyed, or a friendship actually blooms. The most one can do is try and let people be individuals. π
ember matrix
you are right. I can solve my fear of being rejected problem by engineering it, making sure it happens inside a private place with few people
and find a company to volunteer for, to have co-workers
will be tough time-wise
thanks guys, really needed some outside brain horse power, need to solve this shit quickly.
mystic hull
Honestly though, if you think you have some sort of anxiety issue that needs counseling, go for it. It's more often than not just yourself not knowing how to deal with certain situations π€·ββοΈ
ember matrix
I have zero anxiety
its just that Im too proud of looking weak and say "will you be my friend?"
I dont like to be in weak position
mystic hull
It's not weak, if that helps you out π
ember matrix
I know but in my head it is
like a loser begging for friendship
thats why I like co-workers idea
no obligations like with a friend, but you get daily does of social interaction
Im thinking now of choir
singing in one
you guys have friends?
west sonnet
I just made one
ember matrix
I see your point
vocal meadow
i find when i'm saying i have no anxiety about things is when i have anxiety of things
mystic hull
I would agree, don't wanna push the issue though
vocal meadow
lol its fine it's fine
ember matrix
I have 5 employees
the issue is not anxiety, its my pride and not wanting to ask someone to be my friend
I need live social interaction
thats the main social-bug
to fix
Im going to guided meditation thing tomorrow
hope I meet some smart heads
social games, maybe that would be interesting
monopoly or similar meetup
west sonnet
Everything takes sacrifices. Trust, pride, etc. Its a two way street. Thatβs what a relationship is all about
fickle hatch
@ember matrix you have employees? I feel like I'm in a vaguely similar conversation so I'd be up for talking. Though I can't offer you video chatting or voice chatting right now π
ember matrix
yeey I made a friend!
fickle hatch
I do have friends, though basically none of them are running business or anything of the sort so I can't relate to them with the issues related to running a company or just managing a lot of people
ember matrix
EXACTLY!!!
fickle hatch
It's the source of my anxiety mainly so it'd be cool to find someone who is up for talking about it
mystic hull
There we go, you landed your first friend! π
west sonnet
Hurray! π
ember matrix
I dont care about going out to drink or some random non-productive crap that wont improve my life and move me towards my goals
I feel like shit when I do useless stuff
feel guilty
this is nice
why do you have anxiety @fickle hatch
mystic hull
That may be a problem though π€ Drinks with friends are nice
Your inner machinery probably requires that kind of social interaction
even if it's not frequent
fickle hatch
@ember matrix because several people depend on me for their livelihood plus long term burn out. Can't take a three month vacation (everyone will lose motivation in already tough times), but also can't continue doing work at 100%
fickle hatch
No, but I assure you these feelings are normal, it's the hell many before us went through
ember matrix
@mystic hull you are right, I dont like to hangout on the beach or park have an energy drink with a friend and talk. but topics I like to talk about (business, state of the world, future, trends, tech) not a lot of people like to talk about that, when I say talk I mean really talk not just pull facts out of their ass without any logic or open-mindedness.
fickle hatch
The advice is of course to abandon and do something else that isn't stressful, but if you're the kinda person I wanna talk to, you'll understand that's kind of a lame advice π
ember matrix
This is it, I have just made a long-term friend = @fickle hatch
exactly
today is bad tomorrow will be worse but the day after tomorrow there will be sunshine
social life issue is just a challenge along the way
and I think both @fickle hatch & I have just solved it
fickle hatch
Ahhhh, that's a bit naive excitement, but hold onto that feeling π
ember matrix
I had a friend that I loved talking with for hours, we had similar minds but he just didnt have the ambition, and we drifted apart, I started 2 companies so far, live in 2nd best residential building in the city and he dropped out of college and isnt doing much
not much to relate to each other anymore
but enter @fickle hatch
the train maestro
fickle hatch
Okay but just so we're clear, trains grew out of a side project, I do much more than just trains π
ember matrix
its okay trains are fun, buffett loves them too!
heck he is the 3rd richest guy walking the earths soil
plucky hatch
weird compulsive liar
fickle hatch
Who?
stiff saffron
@woeful vine your tutorial on overlap scalabity does nothing ;-; when i click these buttons in game nothing changes WHY
woeful vine
@stiff saffron I am guessing because you missed the part where after I set the level I then tell you I apply the settings
stiff saffron
how do i apply the settings
woeful vine
you use one of the apply settings nodes
digital gate
Wow, #blueprint changed a lot
stiff saffron
hm
pastel estuary
<_<
stiff saffron
yea it seems to work now
west sonnet
I question my career choice after pinging Mathew too.
vocal meadow
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mystic hull
vocal meadow
rapid iron
how does a person usually apply for gaming studios? and what kind of jobs can i expct to get(im graduating this year)
mystic hull
What's your major?
covert onyx
Lmao
rapid iron
What's your major?
@mystic hull
digital media arts
go to a studio website >> open career page >> apply >> repeat
@west sonnet but the second part
what kind of work could i expect
green oyster
well what kind of job do you want? is "digital media arts" 2D or 3D work? characters? environment?
west sonnet
Whatever youβre qualified for
barren lotus
Can likely expect Associate Artist with no prior experience and right out of school, working closely with a senior mentoring you on your work every day.
novel yoke
Hello guys. Hope everyone is safe and doing good. i want to ask this question frankly.
Everyone already saw how fast this megascan thing is growing and now UE5.! so im kinda afraid is it future proof to pursue career into 3D art? i mean learning ZBrush, Substance Designer to make those things , things back then when megascan didn't exist ?
now a days most of the companies are using megascans. So im wondering will the HR people hire anymore 3D artists that make those things? is the career at risk in future ?
So what to do for people like me who still wants to pursue a career into 3D art ? i personally took a decision that ill make hard surface , machine type, cyberpunkish , styalized game assets ( league of legends type ) that cannot be scanned and used as drag and drop. my little brain came up with this solution. π¦ or should i start doing technical art thing? like making engines, rendering etc since my background is based on software engineering. im getting confused here.
im from a middle class family, i dont have that all money to you know live with the passage of time and chill. i need to invest my money properly into a future proof career. atleast where i can work and support my family.
again my little brain maybe missing something and i meant no offense to anyone . straightly asked the question whats on my mind.
So anyone may shade light to my visions please ?
west sonnet
Considering that megascan is primarily archived with rocks, youβre fine on that front. Cleaning up a scan is still required regardless. Itβs about as much impact to you as motion capture is to traditional animation. Merely a tool, not an apocalypse. That being said if you want more in demand roles, proceduralism are studio favourite. Basically any form of tech art. Look into Houdini.
vocal meadow
Iβm from a similar background, wanted to get into 3D art and picked up programming as a necessity. Couldnβt develop my art skill out.
What worked for me was to do cool things people liked to see on YouTube. I didnβt have that mentality, but YouTube was what got my name out there.
Most of the software has at least a βlearn me to pay me laterβ license which is good if your trying to learn these things.
Agree with HighTide, if studio work is ideal latch on to trending or high demand things
novel yoke
Games like The Ascent still gives hope.
vocal meadow
Houdini is a real power house, very multifaceted for unreal
novel yoke
i get it. now is an era where we just can't stuck to one thing. we need multiple skills to be able to survive .
rapid iron
well what kind of job do you want? is "digital media arts" 2D or 3D work? characters? environment?
@green oyster
still figuring it out but in the long run i just aspire to have influence over the creative decisions i can program to a decent extent on ue4 and unity
green oyster
@novel yoke there's always gonna be room for hard surface, sci-fi stuff, buildings, etc. There shouldn't be any much of difference for those
rapid iron
@novel yoke there's always gonna be room for hard surface, sci-fi stuff, buildings, etc. There shouldn't be any much of difference for those
@green oyster
character design too. lot of stuff is not possible through scanning think of demons from doom and spaceships
green oyster
@rapid iron art direction or concept art then?
novel yoke
@rapid iron i want hard surface weapons, machines, cyberpunkish thingies like wolfenstein, The Ascent, Cyberpunk etc and some cute things like league of legends, legends on runeterra, plants vs zombies battle for neighbourville.
rapid iron
@rapid iron i want hard surface weapons, machines, cyberpunkish thingies like wolfenstein, The Ascent, Cyberpunk etc and some cute things like league of legends, legends on runeterra, plants vs zombies battle for neighbourville.
@novel yoke
yup you cannot scan those. megascans csn help with texturing here though
@rapid iron art direction or concept art then?
@green oyster
art direction. i dont have perfect knowledge over how stuff works in big studios but after looking at doom eternals panel , hugo martin is the creative director of the game so if im not wrong he influences the plot visuals aand the overall feel of the game right?if yes thats what i want to be in the ling run.
i can code in unity and ue4 , animate characters (still got much to learn) model inorganic stuff am working on a game for my final college project
green oyster
well in that case, you have a long way ahead - start in a concept art position, perfect your drawing, illustration and design skills
urban stump
@novel yoke Just being an artist is difficult but not impossible, not by a long shot. Just be careful not to fall into the trap of being a human photocopier or technician. Because right now, if all you think your profession is consists of making assets 100% true to reality, you're not going to be replaced not just with megascans but with outsourcing. Anyone can hire an outsourcing studio to make a ton of assets for their game.
You need to take the approach that animators took when motion capture came onto the scene. Sure, motion capture can get a perfect walk cycle but can it get someone doing a somersault while wielding a giant hammer the size of a car? Or can megascans get a scan of a cybernetic arm that'll turn into a gun that'll exist in around 200 years? No.
There are always going to be things that we need to make that either don't exist or need to be designed. What megascans and other modern tools do is they invalidate you from being able to just learn software and call it a day. If you want to be a 3d artist, you need to be an artist before everything else. Learn to draw, learn to paint, learn to sculpt, learn to do your own concepts. If you're a strong artist, that will give you something that a download button can't ever offer and make your work better in every way.
novel yoke
Love to you guys for clearing the fog β€οΈ
rapid iron
well in that case, you have a long way ahead - start in a concept art position, perfect your drawing, illustration and design skills
@green oyster
ok but out of curiousity does having a diversity of skills increase chances of hiring?
hybrid phoenix
To some extent, yes, but primarily it means you've got and will actively develop artistic insight; that you can do more than just trace a mesh over a piece of concept art
rapid iron
nice
empty shore
Do you have a link to a web page that lists all the companies that use the Unreal engine?
Not only dedicated in video games
latent tartan
Hi everyone, my names Alex.
I didnβt want to post in the looking for talent page as itβs not exactly work.
Iβm doing a project for a mining company I work for and Iβm relatively new to unreal. Iβm looking for someone that can help me and guide me through everything unreal.
This is just a project for fun and to showcase the possibilities and technologies out there. There is a large possibility this could lead to a well paying job in the future.
If anyone is interested in some further information please pm me!
mystic hull
I think it still belongs in looking for talent, there are work for free type posts there
You'll have better chances in there, as well
steel creek
Why are you asking in career chat.
dapper tusk
Didnβt know where else to put it
tiny cloak
barren lotus
Top in what regard?
fickle hatch
Altitude above mean sea level
(but probably number of different companies having offices in that city?)
gentle chasm
but that would some big studios then? if total, Warsaw would be on that list
and every city with just few small mobile studios π
it would be nice to get context @tiny cloak π
plush oasis
lilac walrus
'London' - there aren't that many developers actually in London