#career-chat | Unreal Source | Page 31

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:10 AM

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So tomorrow

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I'll ask him if its pre or post tax

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if he says pre

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then I'm going to mention how does 50K mean 26 an hour?

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:10 AM

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Yeah

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Well

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I havent done the math

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But if 50k is $24, yeah

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:11 AM

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I just used an online calculator

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:11 AM

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Its best to add up hours yourself

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:12 AM

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Should I haggle at all or bargin? Or am I really in no situation to?

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:12 AM

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Are you worth more? :p

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If you arent sure and have no other offers

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:12 AM

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I do like the training but the pay just seems like a slap in the face

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:13 AM

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You might be able to get a dollar or two more

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If its intensive training, that could be worth it

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But iunno about Xamarin

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:13 AM

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I mean I'd rather be doing unity or unreal work

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so I'm not even that thrilled doing xamarin work

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but I realize xamarin is a good tool to know as well

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:14 AM

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Take it and look elsewhere i guess

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:14 AM

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aight

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Guess that is all there is too it

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:14 AM

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Unless you can afford to not take it

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And be unemployed for an unknown amount of time

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Then its better to quit and work on your skills, as long as you arent self destructing

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:16 AM

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I see what you are saying

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So it might also be worth noting that the company isn't doing so hot atm

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They are trying to stay afloat it seems

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Laid off lots of people

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but kept me around

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:17 AM

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Are they fucked without you? Or are you just there

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:17 AM

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Well I'm kind of just there at the moment but its like they don't know which direction they are going to go. Xamarin, Unity or Unreal.

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So since I know Unity wella nd proven my self in Unreal

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they said they'll teach me Xam and I'll be there jack of all trades

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:18 AM

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Take it, hope they go Unreal, look elsewhere

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:18 AM

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their*

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Yea they are working on some VR stuff in Unreal but they don't have me on it

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Just two other kids

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:18 AM

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No one wants a JOAT unless they are actually a JOAT specialist

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:18 AM

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hmmm

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:19 AM

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As in

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Master of all, not none

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Kinda already have to have two specializations to survive

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:20 AM

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If I take it and in a week put in my two notice is that bad?

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two weeks*

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:21 AM

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Its not good, but if they're fucked.... thats life

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Depends on whether they are significant people or not

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:21 AM

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what do you mean by significant?

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:22 AM

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Can they fuck you up

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I.e. blacklist

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If you don't know, answer is usually no

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:22 AM

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no idea really. Its my first job in the tech industry

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I suppose if they bad mouthed me they could end me

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as I have most of my experince with them

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:23 AM

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Not in a reference way

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:23 AM

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ohok

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:23 AM

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But as in they'd actively fuck you

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:24 AM

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I wouldn't be doing overtime for that rate for sure

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:24 AM

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A week then notice is usually limited to just a bad reference, which is fine

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:24 AM

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unless it was paid

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:25 AM

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If you're confident you can find a new place in a week

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Try to stall a week

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:25 AM

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I don't think I can stall a week

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:26 AM

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If you're presented an offer like that and aren't given time... thats a red flag

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If you're pressured, a week then notice is justified

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At least anyone worth working for would understand

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If they pull a reference, tell em the story beforehand

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:28 AM

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seems like a weird situation. if you need the money take the job, don't sign any fixed term contracts though

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and just start looking around

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if you find a better offer you can negotiate

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just say you really need the extra money

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:28 AM

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Its an at will contract

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:28 AM

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cool

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you could also ask to be guaranteed a raise after six months of a fixed amount

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:28 AM

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they'll have to put that in writing?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:28 AM

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$10 an hour the first six months, $10 an hour the second, capping at $50 an hour

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yeah

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they will

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maybe after the first year make it yearly

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:29 AM

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A company that puts pressure like that will probably agree to then let you go before the raise

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Seen that happen

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:29 AM

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then you have a career path

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that's a risk yeah

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that'

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s why you have a plan B

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make sure there's good severance in there, etc

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:30 AM

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The truth is, he will say no to any offer that costs more, at least I have a strong feeling of that

vernal wolf Sep 20, 2016, 3:30 AM

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At will usually doesnt have severance, at least that I know of

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Not at entry level

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:31 AM

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so

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job title is software developer

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Day to day project operations

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Daily time recordings

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weekly project updates to CTO and PM

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lead and support roles in software and interactive projects

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attend kickoff mettings

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assist in gathering requirements and project specs

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take ownership of daily project specific needs and tasks

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communciate project status and deliverables PM and leads

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and other tasks as needed for successful project completion

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:32 AM

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shit time recording?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:33 AM

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yea

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:33 AM

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fucking bureacracy

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and a lead role in projects

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you should take it, find a new job ASAP

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it has all of the hallmarks of a cuntpany

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:33 AM

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Might I ask you how you know that exactly?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:34 AM

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sounds exactly like everyone's first job

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:34 AM

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Like what about lead role is bad?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:34 AM

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lead role implies you'd be paid more and have more autonomy

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autonomy is good

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but daily time recordings outside of client work makes no sense

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that's micromanagement

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you never know, you may love it there

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but you should go in skeptical

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:34 AM

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I"ve been here since March

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I love the people

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working here has been ok

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its just the pay cut that sucks

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I thought I'd get paid more not less

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:35 AM

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ok

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I think Allar already suggested you find other offers and shop around

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then bring that back and use it to negotiate

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since you're already there you have that advantage

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check out contract rates here for example

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then get them to meet it midway

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:36 AM

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So since I have to take it should I even mention the pay is less than what he said?

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Or should I play dumb and just take it no questions

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:36 AM

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you could always test the waters "hey have you signed that contract yet" "nah will do soon just checking out rates at other places"

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they may come and offer you a better rate to head that off

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:36 AM

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Is that rude in any way?

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Or quite normal?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:36 AM

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did you ask him why it's less?

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it's rude, but it may be in error

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:37 AM

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I didn't check things till I got home today

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I got the papers just today

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:37 AM

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"hey dude, I wanted to ask about this rate. it's less than what I'm on now and it's not what we discussed. Since this has come up, I actually wanted to discuss looking at $30 an hour, as this job description expands my responsibilities a bit. I'm keen for that but you know, we all want to make more for what we do"

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no problem

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bring it up tomorrow in as casual a way as possible

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crack some jokes first

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ever heard of "managing up"?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:38 AM

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nope

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I'm new to the real world

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sucks

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:38 AM

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https://hbr.org/2015/01/what-everyone-should-know-about-managing-up

Harvard Business Review

What Everyone Should Know About Managing Up

Different strategies for different bosses.

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read that

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nah it's cool

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I didn't find out about this until I was in my 30s

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it basically says to take initiative and contribute what you have and how, ratehr than taking all of your direction from your superior

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but part of managing up is like managing down

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an asshole manager doesn't get good results

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a friendly one does

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same for being an employee

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:39 AM

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Ok so being honest and upfront is always good?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:40 AM

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tactful, honest and up front

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you have to be a diplomat until it's time not to be

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that just means selling your ideas well, including the idea that you need more money

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I wouldn't make them feel like they lied to you

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I'd make them feel like it may have been an honest mistake, is it cool if we correct it, etc

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:41 AM

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yea

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Honestly I'm probably making far less than any other developer there

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Because two are in their 30s

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:42 AM

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take a couple of them aside and ask them if $24 an hour is reasoanble there

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some places try to pay everyone about the same, which is cool. others pay more with time, but they shouldn't try to cheap out just because you're young

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:42 AM

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I mean I"m sure they are making 60 and up

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but they have more experince than me

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so I'm not sure what I should fight for if I should fight at all

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:42 AM

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yeah but if they pay you good you'll stick around and use what they teach you to make them money

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get your head around that, that's how you should be thinking. value yourself.

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I'd go for a small win

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at least get the same rate as before, maybe a few bucks more

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if you make a good case they may jsut change their minds

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show them you have balls, etc

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:43 AM

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The thing is, If I go for a the same pay, I pretty sure he'll just say no and at that point what can I do? I'll just say yes

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:44 AM

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and if it felt like you'd be risking your employment just asking, then it's not a great place to work anyway

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:44 AM

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Well that makes me feel a bit better

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:44 AM

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try the diplomatic approach first

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see if it was a mistake or not

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you could even check with payroll

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"hey I was just heading over to check with him, but do you know if he meant to give me a pay cut?"

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in fact, that might be how i'd phrase it

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:45 AM

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hey thats clever

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:45 AM

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at least a third party will be more likely to give you an honest answer

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what are your current hours ?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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40 hours

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a week

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9 to 6

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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what are you moving to?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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1 hour break

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from 27 to 24

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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so no hourly change?

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just a shitty fucking contract?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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no contract is ending

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from 27 an hour

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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ah I see

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:46 AM

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to 24 an hour new offer

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for full time employee

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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I don't know how much this applies, but around here a contractor always makes more than a salaried employee, because of the higher risk, lack of vacation pay, sick leave, etc

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as a result I take my salary expectations and add 50% or more to it

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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when doing contract?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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yeah

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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or off contract?

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ok

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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you're US right?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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Texas

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:47 AM

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at-will employment is standard?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:48 AM

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yup

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:48 AM

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so you can get fired at any time

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:48 AM

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yup

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:48 AM

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to me that says at least 20% extra over salaried rate

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because of the risk

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either you get job security or you get paid more

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I think you're being shafted tbh but this sounds like either someone is cheaping out and hoping you'll just take it or it's a mistake

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so all else aside, bring that up

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:49 AM

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Ok I just wanted to confirm that I was in fact being shafted

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:49 AM

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you don't have to like or even trust your employer to do the job but you should be paid right. and it sounds like you like it there.

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won't know until you ask

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:49 AM

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I had my thoughts

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:49 AM

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but any loss of income is shaftable potential yes

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just approach it like how it is. you like working there but a pay cut is harsh, you may have to look somewhere else

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it's sad all round for everyone, etc

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:50 AM

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so if I say that what are the chances theya re just like well ok see ya later

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:52 AM

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you';d know better than me

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probably low though

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hiring people is fucking hard work

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getting the new guy in

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managing him

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if it was easy nobody would ever get raises

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but you have to be prepared to work elsewhere for it to work

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at least here when we try to hire someone we get 2000 applicants and sometimes don't even find someone to hire

plucky hatch Sep 20, 2016, 3:53 AM

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I can vouch for hiring people being hard if the position has decent requirements, I have to interview tons of people before finding a decent choice

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:53 AM

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That is why the used Recruiters

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:53 AM

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there you go. it's universally difficult

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recruiters cost a lot of money

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:53 AM

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Recruiters found me

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they pay me

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my hours are up with them

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they liked me

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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do they pay you under the new contract?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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and want to keep me

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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or is it direct?

signal rivet Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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crazy

plucky hatch Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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recruiters aren't great though, they narrow it down for you but then they still send you people that aren't a good fit for the technical needs

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I mean, they do a good job narrowing it down

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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Its Me <- Recruiters <- Company

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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if you make $27 an hour now, you're p[robably being charged out by the recruiter at $60

plucky hatch Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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but even after narrowing it down there is still a lot to wade through

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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Once contract is over its Me <- Companuy

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:54 AM

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ok DEFINITELY ask for more money

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they don't know how much you get paid, the recruiters lied

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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I told them i was getting 28 from Recruiters

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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ask to be paid whatever they were paying the recruiters

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or maybe midway

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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Cause I thought I was

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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so ask for like $30 or $40 an hour

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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Is that Greedy?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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no

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not at all

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:55 AM

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For an Entry level?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:56 AM

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I've been trying to tell you that you should be aiming high

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it doesn't matter what's going on anywhere else or what the situation is

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:56 AM

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So your saying I should ask for the 30, and if he says no?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:56 AM

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now that we know there's a recruiter involved we KNOW they can afford to pay you more

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nope, go back to what I originally said

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first find out if the reduction is a mistake

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and be cool about it

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then use it to springboard into the "well now that the recruiter isn't involve and taking a cut, would you mind giving me a raise? not the whole amount, just half of the way there"

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let him know in a subtle way that he's going to have to pay you right and won't get away with it

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without actually saying it

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just letting him know you know is pretty good

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it might help to verify that the recruiter was taking a cut, but they almost always are

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:58 AM

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I mean yea I'm sure she was

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:58 AM

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it's either an hourly cut or an outright fee, almost always the former

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the outright fee tends to be for salary recruitment

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:58 AM

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Ok so yo, mistake

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and then hey half way?

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And then once he says no lol

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Normal pay?

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And then if he says no to that?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:59 AM

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you can fall back and accept his rate

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but try to have some balls 😉

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:59 AM

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I'll try the balls but I know this guy

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 3:59 AM

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try the "iiiii dunno man"

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if he's that much of a dick blackmail him

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 3:59 AM

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He won't buge, he'd rather risk saying no and me leaving to call me back

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 AM

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you don't know that

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it's funny what people respect

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 AM

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blackmail how?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 AM

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that was a joke

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do not blackmail him

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not unless you got something really good

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 AM

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haha

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nope nothing

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 AM

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balls it is

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:00 AM

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What if I go to far

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and lose the job entirely?

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My family doesn't want me to take that risk

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:01 AM

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learn to take managed risks

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in this case be prepared to say "ok you're right, I'm an asshole, I'll sign the contract"

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and immediately steal stationery and find a new job

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nothing is certain in life except that if you don't take risks your life will suck

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good bosses don't go finding limp employees, they gravitate towards people who are known for having a spine. stand-up guys.

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so be a stand-up guy and wait for the right boss to find you

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:03 AM

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Well this isn't the boss I talk too

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Its like the Buget guy

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He talks close with accounting, but he manges bugets

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like cutting costs

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here and there

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:03 AM

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budgets?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:03 AM

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ah

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yes

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:04 AM

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gotcha

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:04 AM

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Budgets*

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:04 AM

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you know who gets cut?

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the people who will complain the least

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squeaky wheel gets the oil, etc

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:04 AM

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well alright man. I'm personally willing to go as far as nessecary even decline the position

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:04 AM

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you gotta build your own little power base there, just enough to do your job good and set some direction, not so big that you step on toes

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and within that scope is your pay, your hours and your breaks

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and maybe how you like to work

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fight for that

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just be reasonable about everything

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don't quit for the look of it

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that's stupid

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you quit if they treat you badly and once you have a new job

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:05 AM

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so 30 an hour is reasonable for a company trying to get back on its feet?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:05 AM

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why should your situation reflect theirs?

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it could be weasel words

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:05 AM

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I suppose so

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:06 AM

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you don't know what their finanaces are like

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"getting back on its feet" could be an income for the boss of $200k a year rather than a million

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I hate american employemnt law tbh

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no protections

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:06 AM

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You in the states as well?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:06 AM

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nope, NZ

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I can't be fired, I can't have my pay cut, I can't be bullied, I can't be fucked around with

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:06 AM

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Ohh man how awesoem is that

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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it's amazing

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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Dude can I apply for where you work at?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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haha sure,come to nz

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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Dude I would

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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can you do C++?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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Yea

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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actually? how long have you been doing it?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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Since I started learning how to code

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5 years

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now

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lately lots of C# though

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for xam and Unity

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:07 AM

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so you're a senior C++ dev?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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I wouldn't feel confident saying that

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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how old are you? mid 20s?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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But I know my way around C++ and Unreal APIL

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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get evaluated by a recruitment agency

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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API*

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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one that does tech hires

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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25 years old

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:08 AM

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IT workers are on our skills shortage list

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until you turn 31 you can apply for a year-long work visa here then extend it if your employer is willing to give you a two year contract

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they can sponsor you

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you need a clean criminal record though

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no federal offences

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:09 AM

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not an issue

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:09 AM

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at risk of showing our underlying institutionalised prejudice, a white guy will have no problem finding a software development job here

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but really, nobody has any problem as long as they're good

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you'll get picked up pretty fast though

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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huh didn't realize that

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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figure out what level of C++ you're at. if you can do the unreal API and know about registering and unregistering assets from memory, you'll be good

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learn Boost and the std library too

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come over here and earn $120k NZ minimum

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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jesus

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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and we're at about 0.7 of your dollar and our cost of living is lower

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:10 AM

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NZ expensive to live at?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:11 AM

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nah

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some of our food is more expensive but not much of it is processed

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:11 AM

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Is all of NZ as good as people make it seem?

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Nature wise that is?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/move-to-nz/new-zealand-visa/work-visa/temporary-work-visa

Essential New Zealand immigration information on NZ work visas for you and your family.

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our traffic is bad, so take public transport

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but apart from that it's middle earth

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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Can it be worse than Houston?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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houston is flat and boring and huge

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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and has the worst traffic in the world

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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we're a bit more like montana, but smaller

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haha

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I dunno, auckland can be bad

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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So what company do you work for?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:12 AM

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not as bad as LA though

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Otoy

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we do gpu raytracing

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we already have an unreal guy 😉

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who is me 😉

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but we have a few UE jobs going here, but in general software dev is good

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with the breadth of experience you have you can probably work at any studio here

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gameloft shut down too which is good, they were our only triple A studio with all those shitty working conditions

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:13 AM

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so what your saying is start looking and sending resumes to NZ?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:13 AM

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yep

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do it

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do everything we discussed about

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:14 AM

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How much for a flat or general cost of living?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:14 AM

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this could be your plan B

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:14 AM

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If not a plan C i'll say that much

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:14 AM

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I'm renting out a room at $200 a week, all expenses included except food, although we do taco tuesdays once a week

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and feed everyone

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I rent it to someone else that is

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the only real concern with therse things is your age

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get it in there fast

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if you like it here then it becomes easier to get residency if you're younger

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so waiting until you're 30 won't help

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:15 AM

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Well I'll start tossing my Resume out

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:15 AM

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good luck

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uh stay away from Rocket Labs btw

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wrong end of the country and dean hall wanted to pay his devs $30k a year

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literally everyone else is good

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:16 AM

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dang

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:16 AM

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I know Scarlet City Studios might be looking for more devs too

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they're doing a faux-religious game

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an MMO

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built in unity

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:16 AM

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oh cool

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:16 AM

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the guy who runs it is awesome

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:17 AM

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OH man faith based games?

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What does that mean?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:18 AM

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they do a semi religious MMO

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I've forgotten what it's called

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it's biblical stuff disguised

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their backers are a big US religious group

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it's aimed at teens

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so, endless source of income, they just have to make a bible game

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seems to be doing well

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:19 AM

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Seems only one position is open atm

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Operations Engineer

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:20 AM

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heh

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that's the job I turned down a year ago

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I ended up here instead

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well, look around

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talk to people

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heaps of NZ devs here

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@cinder goblet know anyone in NZ hiring UE or unity devs?

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:21 AM

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Appreciate the aid antidamage

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really do

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:21 AM

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no dramas, I was getting bored of watching this thing bake

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lemme know how you do with your current job

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:22 AM

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yea I will

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Honestly will take the shit pay

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I'll try my best to be ballzy

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But I'll look around

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NZ sounds like it would be awesome

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:23 AM

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I spent a month working in LA and I thought america was awesomr

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it's all about that change of scene

regal cloak Sep 20, 2016, 4:23 AM

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I am wondering how wise it is to just take up living there without having been there but the native langauage is English right?

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Where are you originally from?

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And did you end up in NZ cause you wanted to go there or cause there was a job?

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(I guess probably both)

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:36 AM

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perfectly safe to just move here

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just have a buddy to contact once you get here

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the primary language is english yeah

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I'm from NZ

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easily half of my industry or more are foreigners

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so I know the drill

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people open offices here for 24/6 staffing

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and then people come to work at them for the lifestyle

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I've been here my whole life so I don't really rate it much, but others seem to like it

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:51 AM

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@earnest jasper how many studios do you have over there?

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I imagine you would be sitting around a similar or less number as Aus?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:52 AM

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I haven't been counting, but we have a healthy game dev industry

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not sure at all, never looked at Aus

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game dev is big enough money that there'll be some government department reports on it somewhere

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:54 AM

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is it mostly indie though?

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only big ones I know are PikPok and Weta

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obviously Weta is a bit more niche

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:55 AM

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yeah mostly indie. gameloft packed up and left after their studio was canned by vivendi

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PikPok literally grew out of a media design school class I think

crystal osprey Sep 20, 2016, 4:55 AM

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nvm what i said, its off topic

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:55 AM

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and Weta don't make games, they invent tech for games then pay studios to implement it and do project management for it

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we're not worried about what's on topic or not really owl

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:56 AM

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yeah, but depending on your skill set it can be a viable option

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:56 AM

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weta are weird to work for

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no fulltime employees

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hard to get hired

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it's all contract

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it's like google without the benefits

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:57 AM

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lol, good to know

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I'll have to do some research on NZ then, was initially looking further overseas for jobs

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:57 AM

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out of curiosity I sent my CV in, never even got a call back. that took me down a notch or two.

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you should check us out as an option

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it's a good time to get into the industry here

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:57 AM

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company?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:57 AM

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it's not all locked up

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say what?

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oh

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us as in NZ

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sorry

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:58 AM

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oh do you mena nz in general

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haha

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:58 AM

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yeah

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:58 AM

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yeah will do

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I'm finishing up at Hlafbrick this Friday

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going to be spending about a month skilling back up and sending off resumes

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:59 AM

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check the link I sent above for work visa info

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you have to be 30 or younger

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what country are you from?

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:59 AM

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Australia

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 4:59 AM

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oh wtf

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just come over

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you don't even need a passport

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 4:59 AM

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yeah I didn't think so

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 5:00 AM

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we do frown on inter-species relationships though, so the sheep has to stay at home

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 5:00 AM

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lol

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any studios you would suggest?

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 5:00 AM

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I pretty much listed all the ones I can remember the names of

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there's always small teams with VC doing stuff

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best situation ever is to be living here and doing contract work to the US

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the exchange rate favours it

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probably the same for you guys

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 5:01 AM

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yeah

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just finding the contracts would be the main thing

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 5:02 AM

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oh man

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that's no problem

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just put word out, see who comes to look

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sort out the chaff from the wheat

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 5:02 AM

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what, just jump on seek and linkedin?

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never done contract so I wouldn't know

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 5:02 AM

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I'd start with the UE jobs form

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and the jobs channel here for small jobs

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forum*

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not form

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from there just be involved in things and people will offer you work

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reddit too

rotund violet Sep 20, 2016, 5:03 AM

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interesting

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well you've given me plenty to think about

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thanks @earnest jasper

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 5:07 AM

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no worries man

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 10:44 AM

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lol.. i read @earnest jasper as AntiMage xD (dota players will understand)

earnest jasper Sep 20, 2016, 10:48 AM

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haha

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 11:37 AM

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You make me want to move to NZ, guys

dreamy jacinth Sep 20, 2016, 11:41 AM

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I would just to get a job at Grinding Gear Games.

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 11:42 AM

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I mean... can't complain over here in Germany either, but it's not Hobbiton.

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 11:51 AM

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most of NZ isn't Hobbiton either :p

ocean harbor Sep 20, 2016, 11:51 AM

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@gentle pewter NZ and AU have weird laws regarding age of work permit seekers

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 11:52 AM

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not really

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they have a programme for under 30s to do working holidays, then they have the regular work visas that most other countries have

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 11:53 AM

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I'll just have to establish a branch of my company there I guess :P

ocean harbor Sep 20, 2016, 11:54 AM

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@lilac walrus ohh, I might have gotten a wrong impression then

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I remember that for AU, something like 7 years ago you could apply for work permit without without having a work contract

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Which was rather surprising to me knowing how in EU that wouldn't really fly

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 11:55 AM

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I can just drop in anywhere in the EU without a work permit :p

ocean harbor Sep 20, 2016, 11:55 AM

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Want to visit that distant land next year

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@lilac walrus You can 😃

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 11:56 AM

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@Ambershee for now...

ocean harbor Sep 20, 2016, 11:56 AM

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Lolz

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 11:57 AM

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to be fair, New Zealand was easy too, just fill in a form online and turn up

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 1:29 PM

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hey guys

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NZ is a great place

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Mr Tan lives there 😛

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 1:43 PM

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grinding gear games it the Path of exile company isnÄt it?

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@Jan Kaluza where are you working? im from germany too

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@gentle pewter

dreamy jacinth Sep 20, 2016, 1:58 PM

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@fathom sinew : yeah. My fave indie company considering the quality and content they have in that game. It really is a giant of the ARPG genre

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 1:58 PM

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@fathom sinew Working on my own game and freelancing only

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yourself?

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 1:59 PM

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working on my own game and studying computer science

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 1:59 PM

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hah nice

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I dropped out of comp sci over a decade ago, got my degree in anthropology instead

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and now I'm programming

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go figure

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 2:00 PM

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yeah i fear that dropping out part is coming for me soon too

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or at least put studying aside for a bit

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:00 PM

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I have a bachelors in ComputeR Networking that i dont even use.....

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school = not th ebest choice for most

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 2:01 PM

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I wouldn't go back and change anything if I could, but if I were to give any advice to an alternate timeline version of myself, it would be "Just get university over with, no one cares anyway, just get a degree as soon as possible and then do your thing"

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degrees are useful if you want to work in another country

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 2:02 PM

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yeah but university is more or less free in germany

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it costs like 300€ per year

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 2:02 PM

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exactly

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so finish the thing!

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looks way better on your resume to have something finished than to drop out without anything to show for it

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unless you already got a successful business going on the side I guess

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:03 PM

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must be nice

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degrees in America make you broke -

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 2:03 PM

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@solid bridge I'm still shocked it isn't the norm

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I mean... a degree here doesn't mean any better job chances than it does in the US, but at least we can get through uni without crippling debt

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:04 PM

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yah thats the difference here

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Corporate American way - keep the wealthy HEALTHILY SEPERATED from teh unwealthy

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and always keep the majority in poverty

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quite a corrupt nation its become since leaving the motherland

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 2:08 PM

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lifetime of debt here in the UK too now

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yay, conservative government! (who keeps voting for these people?)

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 2:08 PM

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how about in the US ? maybe generations :?

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:08 PM

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heheh yah i've talked to many a person from the UK

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same scenario as we face now here in the US

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 2:08 PM

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dude.. your govenment is chosen.. not elected.. voting is an illusion..

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freedom.. is an illusion

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:09 PM

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not 200 years ago

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 2:09 PM

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oh, ours is elected, but the majority of our voters are fucking cretins

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as demonstrated by 'Brexit' - so many people who voted didn't even know what they were voting for

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 2:09 PM

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oh yes it was the same back then too.. there were kings, emperors, etc.. things havent changed much

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:09 PM

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sorry maybe you were talkign to ambershee?

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 2:09 PM

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the system is the same still

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 2:10 PM

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there is no cure to stupidity, so democracy is not

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:10 PM

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thats the same here @lilac walrus .... blind votes by a party-only choice

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 2:10 PM

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we don't have that kind of party alignment here

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it isn't the same at all

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 2:11 PM

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and the minority accepting the stupidity of the majority is on of the fundamentals of democracy

solid bridge Sep 20, 2016, 2:11 PM

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my wife for example votes republican.... never even pays attention to the candidates

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 2:11 PM

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you see at egypt what happens when that is not the case

lilac walrus Sep 20, 2016, 2:11 PM

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people here however vote for the emotional issues and don't look at the actual parties or the politics

gentle pewter Sep 20, 2016, 2:13 PM

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maybe we should take this to #lounge, guys 😉

fathom sinew Sep 20, 2016, 2:13 PM

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maybe 😄

sick scaffold Sep 20, 2016, 2:16 PM

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what ? this is not the lounge ?

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lulz .. didnt realize

visual knot Sep 21, 2016, 5:17 AM

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Hey all 😃 wondering if anyone here is experienced in UE4 plugin development, specifically I/O of textures/meshes? 😃

earnest jasper Sep 21, 2016, 5:48 AM

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I am

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Driving tho brb

earnest jasper Sep 21, 2016, 6:07 AM

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my experience is with the editor rather than runtimes

edgy talon Sep 21, 2016, 5:43 PM

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is anyone here from Texas ?

fiery gorge Sep 21, 2016, 7:04 PM

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@edgy talon I'm in Dallas. 😃

edgy talon Sep 21, 2016, 7:08 PM

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\o/

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do you freelance ?

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@fiery gorge ^^

fiery gorge Sep 21, 2016, 7:29 PM

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I'm currently a student and may not have the skills you need for a project. I'm a programming major and am learning Blueprints and C++. If you share what your project needs, I can reply whether or not I can help you. I would like to start working professionally if possible. 😃

kindred mason Sep 21, 2016, 9:58 PM

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That's the way to do it man. Take small contracts, little by little...then people start to notice you...and then you have a lot of fun projects you can work on

buoyant latch Sep 21, 2016, 10:26 PM

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Hey everyone, I just updated my portfolio and I'm looking for employment as an environment artist. https://mcgillchris.artstation.com

Chris McGill

Home page

sick scaffold Sep 21, 2016, 10:31 PM

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Really really nice stuff @buoyant latch

wind plank Sep 21, 2016, 10:36 PM

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Totalmente de acuerdo @kindred mason

buoyant latch Sep 21, 2016, 10:44 PM

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Thanks!

vernal wolf Sep 22, 2016, 12:10 AM

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Tomb is way better than your other shit

earnest jasper Sep 22, 2016, 12:12 AM

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eh I liked the tie fighter, is that in there?

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it all looks pretty damn good

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 12:55 AM

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@vernal wolf thanks haha. I just finished it. Think the other stuff detracts enough that I should delete it from my portfolio?

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@earnest jasper thanks! Your suggestions were super helpful with polishing up the tomb.

earnest jasper Sep 22, 2016, 12:58 AM

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yes I know I am quite amazing

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(it was all you)

gentle pewter Sep 22, 2016, 1:38 AM

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@buoyant latch great stuff!

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 1:39 AM

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@gentle pewter thanks!

steel creek Sep 22, 2016, 2:12 AM

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dont remove your other stuff. its all good. personally I dont like the tomb as much as the tie fighter. The lighting on the river scene is a little too ambient/washed for me -- which highlights some of the more obvious models/uncanny valley effects

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 3:17 AM

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@steel creek yea that scene is just a kitbash of some marketplace assets and a few things from the kite demo.

digital gate Sep 22, 2016, 7:33 AM

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[PAID] [CONTRACT] [LFW]: UE4 Gameplay Programmer with 2yrs professional freelance experience | C++, BP, General UE4. Can handle additional tasks as well, but am primarily code-centric. Remote offers preffered, willing to relocate.

plucky hatch Sep 22, 2016, 7:33 AM

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vernal wolf Sep 22, 2016, 7:35 AM

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^Where do you live

digital gate Sep 22, 2016, 7:36 AM

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Alabama

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Yeh, yeh.

sick scaffold Sep 22, 2016, 9:17 AM

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@buoyant latch - tomb is my least fav - dont listen to Allar.. he is a bot in disguise ..

fathom sinew Sep 22, 2016, 10:36 AM

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@buoyant latch yeah that stuff looks cool 😃

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the tie fighter scene is modified in photoshop, isn't it?

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 10:41 AM

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@fathom sinew nope 😃 didn't touch it in Photoshop

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And thanks!

fathom sinew Sep 22, 2016, 10:41 AM

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oh wow. you hav edifferent angles?

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 10:43 AM

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On my computer back home and I'm on vacation. Or holiday as my wife would say.

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That angle is def the strongest though. I kinda built the scene around it.

fathom sinew Sep 22, 2016, 10:44 AM

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yeah, I am just curious

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 10:53 AM

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Pm me and I'll send you one when I get home

torpid atlas Sep 22, 2016, 3:43 PM

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(Y) @buoyant latch

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 3:44 PM

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?

torpid atlas Sep 22, 2016, 3:50 PM

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just saw your portfolio link

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 4:05 PM

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What is (Y)? Sorry haha

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Wait. Googled it. I'm savvy now.

torpid atlas Sep 22, 2016, 4:20 PM

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ahaha, yeah 👍

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 4:27 PM

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Thanks!

plucky hatch Sep 22, 2016, 5:22 PM

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It's a cleavage

green lake Sep 22, 2016, 5:33 PM

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@buoyant latch also wanted to chime in and say good work. Particularly that you compiled that portfollio rather quickly and it turned out great. If I had money I'd hire you 😉

buoyant latch Sep 22, 2016, 6:26 PM

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@green lake hey thanks! I might hire me too if I had the money haha

shut dust Sep 23, 2016, 4:07 PM

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@buoyant latch I posted your portfolio on our studio Slack for our Art Director to look at. I know we are looking for UE4 RockStar Programmers and some art just do not know what current art needs are since i am a Technical Producer

ancient edge Sep 23, 2016, 4:41 PM

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If there are any Enviro Tech Aritsts(Mat and Lighting) or Programming rockstars that are looking for work, please send your portfoios over to talent@untold carbonstudios.com

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thanks

gentle pewter Sep 24, 2016, 1:53 AM

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But what if we like funk instead?

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Just kidding, rock on!

dreamy cedar Sep 25, 2016, 10:42 AM

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Hey guys freelance job here
Setting up advanced vehicle 1 - 8wheel truck, 1 - 4wheel and 2 - 6 wheel
pm me

earnest jasper Sep 25, 2016, 10:45 AM

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check the pinned posts on how to post a job and the bot will automatically pin the job for you

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it'll get lost otherwise

plucky hatch Sep 25, 2016, 10:50 AM

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signal rivet Sep 25, 2016, 12:27 PM

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[LFW][PAID] UE4 Developer with Knowledge in Web Development, Security. Programming Languages Known: C, C++, C#, Javascript, Java. Have Developed Games in Unity3d, CryEngine, but currently Developing in UE4. NDA`s Accepted, Contracts welcomed. ~ PST | Located in California, San Francisco | LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bioblazepayne

steady depot Sep 25, 2016, 7:46 PM

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Didn't know people still used C.

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📎 attachment.png

signal rivet Sep 25, 2016, 8:58 PM

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eh. Industrial PLC Programming @.@

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Micro-Controllers. :X Firmware.. <.< the list is infinite..

earnest jasper Sep 25, 2016, 9:07 PM

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he attached the "kappa" icon which indicates he had nothing good to say

signal rivet Sep 25, 2016, 9:07 PM

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Ah. No idea.

earnest jasper Sep 25, 2016, 9:07 PM

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😉

signal rivet Sep 25, 2016, 9:07 PM

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I`m too old now -_- CRIES

earnest jasper Sep 25, 2016, 9:07 PM

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no, everyone else is just too young

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pats

signal rivet Sep 25, 2016, 9:08 PM

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😉 thx

steady depot Sep 25, 2016, 9:37 PM

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@signal rivet I was being sarcastic. I know people still use C

signal rivet Sep 25, 2016, 9:37 PM

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@.@ yea, I didnt detect it :X

broken crypt Sep 25, 2016, 10:49 PM

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@steady depot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpTZlXn3pxY ^^

YouTube

TaKeTV

R3Z - Hey Kappa Kappa (Studio Version)

▶ Play video

earnest jasper Sep 25, 2016, 10:53 PM

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hey maybe not in every channel plz 😄

broken crypt Sep 25, 2016, 10:55 PM

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no it was a reply to minipoun.. he brought the kappa !

lethal slate Sep 28, 2016, 5:44 AM

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Hi guys. Maybe I am wrong by chanel but what shold do Technical artist?

earnest jasper Sep 28, 2016, 5:47 AM

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probably brush up on communication

glad imp Sep 28, 2016, 5:49 AM

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They took our JERBS

unreal gust Sep 28, 2016, 10:56 AM

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[PAID]
Even more job openings now at our VR/AR Studio in Amsterdam:
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Internships
QA Tester
Senior QA Tester
Game Producer
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UI Artist
Storyboard Graphic Artist
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Senior Environment Artist
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(Senior) Game Programmer
Technical/FX Artist
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lilac walrus Sep 28, 2016, 11:08 AM

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@unreal gust - you can pin stuff by tagging it in this channel

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take a look at the pinned messages, should be obvious how

unreal gust Sep 28, 2016, 11:09 AM

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Cheers

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What's the diff between paid / contract here?

lilac walrus Sep 28, 2016, 11:15 AM

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I guess one is specifically a short term contractor, the other is long term or full-time employment

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i.e contractor versus FTE

unreal gust Sep 28, 2016, 11:38 AM

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So which is which

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Contract for temp jobs then?

lilac walrus Sep 28, 2016, 12:56 PM

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aye

unreal gust Sep 28, 2016, 1:13 PM

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Updated, thanks 👌

keen moat Sep 28, 2016, 1:24 PM

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Hello guys, whats the average rate per hour for UE4 programmer (booth C++ and Blueprint)?

lilac walrus Sep 28, 2016, 1:26 PM

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how long is a piece of string :p?

untold granite Sep 28, 2016, 2:02 PM

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(that translates too, give us more info like experience level, time spent with engine etc :P)

steady depot Sep 28, 2016, 4:58 PM

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@keen moat My normal rate is $40/hr and sometimes I charge clients $45/hr if it is a MP project. But I have a lot of experience in UE4, and can do jobs much faster than a lot of people. (I tend to work less hours, which is why I have a larger rate). It really depends on how good you are, and how fast you can work. 'Cause if you are a slow programmer, charging a really high rate won't get you any work. I'd recommend starting at around 20/25. But also make sure you don't sell yourself short.

hushed ice Sep 28, 2016, 5:17 PM

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where do you guys 'announce' yourselves though?

brave meadow Sep 28, 2016, 5:18 PM

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$120 hr

low pond Sep 28, 2016, 5:22 PM

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Or follow the wise words of Allar

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Think how much time it'll take and how much "you'd get out of bed" for to do it

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then double that amount

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(if you don't care whether or not you get the job)

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If you do care about the job, just don't double the amount and you're golden

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Most people won't say "that's too expensive bye"

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they'll try and haggle

keen moat Sep 28, 2016, 5:26 PM

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@steady depot Thanks man...

vernal wolf Sep 28, 2016, 5:29 PM

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Aye, can confirm, is how I operate

green lintel Sep 28, 2016, 6:04 PM

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Good logic there 😮

worn furnace Sep 28, 2016, 6:25 PM

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@Spherix hey, would your company be open to hiring a remote team of contractors under a corp2corp? We would be honored to work with you and to share our resources from the US.

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 7:19 PM

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40$/hour , not bad at all

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I was wondering how viable it is to work as external contibutor for game projects on contract term basis

ocean nexus Sep 28, 2016, 7:29 PM

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I started at 20 an hour, then asked for 30 later. I agree with @steady depot those rates sound about right to me. It depends on the nature of the work too though and how badly they need it

vernal wolf Sep 28, 2016, 7:31 PM

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Its viable if you're legit

steady depot Sep 28, 2016, 7:31 PM

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^

dreamy jacinth Sep 28, 2016, 7:32 PM

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I've worked for credit mostly in games dev. I'm gonna be earning from next month though hopefully. Reduced rate for now but that's mate's rates 😄

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 7:40 PM

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what is exactly a slow coder ?

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i mean is there an objective criteria to define a slow coder ?

vernal wolf Sep 28, 2016, 7:42 PM

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I wouldn't worry about slow or fast

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I would worry about efficiency and value of contribution

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 7:43 PM

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quality of code, that i understand, but speed kinda confuses me

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ok fair enough

vernal wolf Sep 28, 2016, 7:43 PM

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If you're a systems designer, by nature you are going to be slower than a hit and run gameplay dev

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However a systems designers output is far more valuable

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So think in terms of daily value contribution

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Otherwise you will go crazy comparing 'speed'

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I have multiple specialties, sometimes I'm paid a lot to write a line of code every 30 minutes. Sometimes I'm paid to write a line of code every 30 seconds. Sometimes I'm paid to write a line of code every other day.

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 7:46 PM

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and sometime you are paid to remove lines of code

vernal wolf Sep 28, 2016, 7:46 PM

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Aye

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 7:47 PM

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not talking from personal experience just what i have read from pros

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fair enough, in any case for my country (Greece) 20$/hour is an amazing rate

vernal wolf Sep 28, 2016, 7:49 PM

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Pay is definitely based on where you are

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I couldn't survive on that

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But I'd like to move somewhere where I can someday

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 7:50 PM

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USA i presume

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yeah life is very cheap

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here

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1100$ is the median wage, so anything beyond 2000$ is considered very good

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but then rent rarely goes above 800$ per month

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and with that amount you get more than 100 square meters , at least two bedrooms , big balcony etc

dreamy jacinth Sep 28, 2016, 8:04 PM

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I want to move my family out of here. We have 4 kids so room is a problem. Everytime we watch anything with US houses, they look like palaces .

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 8:06 PM

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studied law 5 years in uk, houses very small very expensive and quite ugly

dreamy jacinth Sep 28, 2016, 8:08 PM

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even worse for me. I live in Blackpool. Life expectancy here is shitty.

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 8:08 PM

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but my view from my home here in Greece is kinda hard to compete

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📎 262878_4155837288678_1211989104_n.jpg

dreamy jacinth Sep 28, 2016, 8:09 PM

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hmm I dunno. The rays could use a little work. The skybox isn't bad tho

mental drum Sep 28, 2016, 8:09 PM

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lol

signal elm Sep 28, 2016, 8:10 PM

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yeah God uses Unity, go figure

hushed ice Sep 28, 2016, 8:11 PM

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tearing

tight basalt Sep 29, 2016, 6:53 AM

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I am looking to hire someone to create an endless runner mobile game for me

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http://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Videos/PLZlv_N0_O1gbY4FN8pZuEPVC9PzQThNn1/

Endless Runner with Blueprints

Video Tutorial Series

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I need somone that can model and tweak this demo to put an educational twist on it

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Please message me if you are interested, paid of course

unreal gust Sep 29, 2016, 6:59 AM

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@ghostik#0878 I haven't a clue to be honest! Drop me a mail at robert@forcefieldvr.com and I'll find out the details

opal cloak Sep 29, 2016, 11:25 AM

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[PAID] Looking for Material/texture artist who is able to make UI elements for ammo in holographic effect(baked emmisive details). Job is remote and must be able to submit actual invoice. More details in PM

plucky hatch Sep 29, 2016, 11:25 AM

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shadow trench Sep 29, 2016, 2:23 PM

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@tight basalt you're looking for someone who can make you that game fully?

earnest jasper Sep 29, 2016, 9:08 PM

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[PAID] Not necessarily UE related, looking for a cuda developer in New Zealand: http://www.enterprise.co.nz/i-t-and-t-jobs/cplusplus-software-engineer-120-k-neg-3d-gaming-technology/834632

C++ Software Engineer | $120 k neg |3D Gaming Technology | Enter...

World leader, 3D Gaming technology, Awesome career prospects

plucky hatch Sep 29, 2016, 9:08 PM

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oblique jolt Sep 30, 2016, 1:28 AM

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Hello everyone im looking for someone to help me polish some game mechanics and possibly implement some new ones, the game is a 3rd person arena shooter. Edit: I have a budget of $200 at the moment, let me know what you can do.

tight basalt Sep 30, 2016, 2:32 AM

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@shadow trench depends on the price we agree upon. But ideally yes

plucky hatch Sep 30, 2016, 2:36 AM

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@tight basalt Are you a school or something from a school?

tight basalt Sep 30, 2016, 2:37 AM

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No, I just create educational games

plucky hatch Sep 30, 2016, 2:37 AM

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Ok how should it be educational

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?

tight basalt Sep 30, 2016, 2:37 AM

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I am at a point where I can pay for someone to help

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I will PM you if you are interested

plucky hatch Sep 30, 2016, 2:38 AM

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I, and my team, are also creating an (historically) educational game at the moment, so I appreciate the value of creating something educational

tight basalt Sep 30, 2016, 2:39 AM

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That's awesome. I enjoy making educational games

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I also love seeing my daughter play them

vernal wolf Sep 30, 2016, 2:39 AM

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Did someone say educational? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o

YouTube

bill wurtz

history of japan

▶ Play video

plucky hatch Sep 30, 2016, 2:39 AM

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@vernal wolf 🤦 heh

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@tight basalt Ok lets talk in PM

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@vernal wolf Btw, sry for not contacting you about the Allar Char, things got in the way ALOT

vernal wolf Sep 30, 2016, 2:42 AM

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S'all good

plucky hatch Sep 30, 2016, 3:03 AM

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Sometimes life plays tricks on one until one is broken, but atleast then there is all the time in the world to rebuild

cunning rain Oct 1, 2016, 4:54 PM

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[LFW] Infuse Studio is accepting contract work. Let us know what we can do for you. http://www.infusestudio.co/

Infuse Studio

Home

Quality Game Environments Available Now Asset Store

dreamy cedar Oct 2, 2016, 2:27 PM

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[PAID]
need some freelance for Advanced Vehicle
3 simple trucks, wheels and suspension only

plucky hatch Oct 2, 2016, 2:27 PM

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worn furnace Oct 2, 2016, 2:50 PM

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[UNPAID] Looking to form a delivery team amongst volunteers. Accepting development grants that will directly fund project(s). Your founder's status will always be highly appreciated and never forgotten. My 7 year-old has multiple special educational needs. I'm driven with a vision to launch the world's first personalizable virtual educational platform. I'm eager for the educational benefits that, as a team, we may help bring together for our educational communities and for each other. Please feel free to reach out with any questions. I'm available to chat with the team at some point today about the project. Thank you very much for this opportunity.

brave meadow Oct 2, 2016, 11:35 PM

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@oblique jolt how many features?

oblique jolt Oct 3, 2016, 12:40 PM

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@brave meadow hey sorry I found someone.

brave meadow Oct 3, 2016, 10:41 PM

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no problem

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but I am curious for other reasons, so @oblique jolt how many features for that rate? The quesiton is mroe for personal development if you dont mind.

oblique jolt Oct 4, 2016, 3:43 AM

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I found someone to work on refining 6 different mechanics @brave meadow

thorny jackal Oct 4, 2016, 3:59 PM

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Hello
Open Source Motion Capture Suit - I am looking for supporters - https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124808-Open-Source-Motion-Capture-Suit-I-am-looking-for-supporters 😃

Hello.

I am work on my own LifeSim https://lifesim.biz/ project as a hobby and I faced with question of animation recording.

I found, that there are many paid solutions for this. For example - Perception Neuron https://neuronmocap.com/ . Note, that I am not affiliated with Perception Neuron and this post is not an adds.

I found, that only one glove, without any sensors costs about 100 USD ( https://neuronmocap.com/content/product/wrist-hand-finger-straps-single ) and bundle of the

hazy jay Oct 5, 2016, 2:00 AM

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Looking for a blueprint wizard, please PM me for more info

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 12:57 AM

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Got a skype interview tomorrow for an environment artist contract position. Any tips?

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 2:28 AM

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don't dicksoutforharambe

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or at least just do it under the table where they can't see it

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you know, if you can't help it

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you could quickly do up some matte backdrops and be all "yeah I'm just chilling in my active volcanic crater... oh wait.. it's a matte and they will be blown away at the unexpected twist and hire you instantly

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 2:34 AM

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Ooooh, that's good.

cunning rain Oct 6, 2016, 2:35 AM

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Just be yourself. Don't undersell yourself but don't be cocky

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 2:47 AM

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oh that's a great idea. be someone even more awesome.

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 2:48 AM

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I am amazing but I don't really think so.

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Ha good advice though @cunning rain I tend to undersell myself

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 2:48 AM

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I think you're amazing. go knock them out.

cunning rain Oct 6, 2016, 2:57 AM

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@buoyant latch it's a common thing for an artist to undersell themselves.

plucky hatch Oct 6, 2016, 2:59 AM

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@buoyant latch You could do some research about the company and see what their strength/weaknesses are and if you find some compatible elements you can focus on those more then other subjects

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 2:59 AM

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@earnest jasper haha good pep talk

plucky hatch Oct 6, 2016, 3:00 AM

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So @buoyant latch check out their environment art and see what you could do better, see what they like etc

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 3:00 AM

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Yea they are a studio that does contract work for other studios, so I'll have to do a little digging.

plucky hatch Oct 6, 2016, 3:01 AM

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Get going, here's a shovel 😛

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https://tenor.co/srUk.gif

Tenor

Shovel

Click to view the GIF

▶ Play video

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Haha sry I thought it was just a gif of a guy shoveling snow

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 3:07 AM

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Haha

vernal wolf Oct 6, 2016, 4:13 AM

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Undersell yourself in a way that upsells you

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I can't explain it, but thats how I get business

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Basically "Im not the guy you need"

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Get hired anyway

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Can only really do that if you're being completely honest though

cunning rain Oct 6, 2016, 4:17 AM

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That doesn't sound like a good approach.

vernal wolf Oct 6, 2016, 4:20 AM

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It sure doesnt

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But has been working for me /shrug

cunning rain Oct 6, 2016, 4:22 AM

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Well maybe a good way to put it would be don't be a salesman

vernal wolf Oct 6, 2016, 4:22 AM

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Aye

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I do usually start out the answer to any question about my career with "don't do what I did"

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 12:15 PM

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Ok, honest but positive.

silver trench Oct 6, 2016, 12:21 PM

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^^that just seems to be the most sensible route to take IMO

fathom sinew Oct 6, 2016, 12:30 PM

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@buoyant latch how was your interview?

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 12:30 PM

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I'll let you know in about 10 hours 😄

fathom sinew Oct 6, 2016, 12:31 PM

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haha ok 😄

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You owe me some screenshots, too, I think

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 12:31 PM

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Oh right! Totally forgot.

fathom sinew Oct 6, 2016, 12:31 PM

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I think different angles of your tie figher?

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 12:33 PM

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Well I'm currently displaced by the hurricane, so it will be Monday before I can turn my PC back on. Accidentally left my power cable, mouse, and keyboard

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Just put a reminder in my phone

fathom sinew Oct 6, 2016, 12:34 PM

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haha thanks

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 12:34 PM

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just go looting and get new things

fathom sinew Oct 6, 2016, 12:34 PM

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yeah use your gamer instincts

buoyant latch Oct 6, 2016, 12:34 PM

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Oh looting sounds fun. I am in Charlotte so it's been common here lately

fathom sinew Oct 6, 2016, 12:36 PM

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I am so glad we don't have many weather extremes like that in europe

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I don't think I have a single personal experience with such things

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ONe time when I was on vacation in turkey it rained so much that the hotel lobby contained one foot of water, but that's it

lilac walrus Oct 6, 2016, 12:46 PM

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we had 200mm of rain in an hour a couple of weeks ago :p

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it regularly flash-floods in the UK

unreal gust Oct 6, 2016, 12:46 PM

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Wait, is this the jobs channel?

silver trench Oct 6, 2016, 12:46 PM

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looks like my neck of the woods will just get the rain now..hopefully (raleigh)

lilac walrus Oct 6, 2016, 12:47 PM

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apparently

unreal gust Oct 6, 2016, 12:47 PM

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Used to be about jobs on Slack

silver trench Oct 6, 2016, 12:48 PM

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only the past 10 or so messages have been unrelated. -.-

kindred mason Oct 6, 2016, 8:33 PM

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http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/282866/Get_a_job_Insomniac_Games_is_hiring_a_Senior_Programmer.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Staff

Get a job: Insomniac Games is hiring a Senior Programmer

Insomniac Games is seeking a Senior Programmer to design and implement gameplay systems and features, and contribute to long term development and direction of gameplay department in Durham, NC.

dreamy jacinth Oct 6, 2016, 8:55 PM

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my god the requirements for that job are insane 😄

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 9:48 PM

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that name rings a bell

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$30k per annum? 😉

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those requirements aren't that steep

lilac walrus Oct 6, 2016, 9:49 PM

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the requirements look pretty standard

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 9:49 PM

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they're all either skills you'd have as a game dev or peripheral skills you can develop

lilac walrus Oct 6, 2016, 9:49 PM

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even on the low side for senior

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 9:50 PM

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yeah

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you're really likely to have the entire list of skills just by becoming senior in one of them

dreamy jacinth Oct 6, 2016, 11:22 PM

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Im thinking I would never have a masters though. Cant afford a flat degree.

earnest jasper Oct 6, 2016, 11:23 PM

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I think that's the most disposable item on that list

kindred mason Oct 7, 2016, 1:51 AM

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😉

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I guess I could have gone for my masters instead of another BS

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 4:57 AM

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@fathom sinew interview went well, biggest strikes against me was not knowing zbrush or Maya. Which is totally fair.

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 4:58 AM

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did you offer to learn?

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 5:04 AM

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Def

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And I'm a fast learner of the softwares.

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But if someone else already knows them they've got a advantage.

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I can only make it so far on my charming personality 😬

void pagoda Oct 7, 2016, 5:14 AM

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What is LUA?

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Damn it I'll never escape linear algebra.

plucky hatch Oct 7, 2016, 5:26 AM

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LUA in the contexts I'm familiar with would be the LUA scripting language, used for mod scripting in many games due to its easy and flexible nature. World of WarCraft modding uses it for example.

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 6:00 AM

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LUA is what developers do when they're bored of C++

void pagoda Oct 7, 2016, 6:31 AM

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another language! thanks.

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or less of a language and more of an html thing? flys to googlinstien.com

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 7:22 AM

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just tab indented scripting

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where the tabs matter

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I think

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or is that python

fathom sinew Oct 7, 2016, 9:13 AM

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@buoyant latch I hope for the best :D
As far as I remember, Lua(not LUA) doesn't use tabs for structuring the code. They use a lot of key words, though, so you have a lot less brackets, too

shadow kelp Oct 7, 2016, 1:26 PM

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Seems pretty reasonable, if a bit low for a Senior role like ambershee said. Basically just 5-7 years experience, all the rest would come with that.

compact niche Oct 7, 2016, 1:27 PM

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@earnest jasper jajaja trully

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 3:12 PM

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@buoyant latch what did you apply for?

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 3:13 PM

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Contract environment artist

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 3:15 PM

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what programs do you use then?

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 3:15 PM

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Blender, painter, designer, ue4

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 3:15 PM

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I always get made fun of for being a Maya guy, but now seems like most companies prefer it

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 3:15 PM

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Just preordered zbrush core.

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Yea a lot of jobs ask that you know Maya. I'll probably be getting LT soon to learn

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 3:16 PM

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well be prepared to spend your first 80 hours in zBrush learning how to navigate it's menu system

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I'd say get the full Maya student edition, free for 3 years

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 3:17 PM

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Haha well I've learned blender so I'm not afraid

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 3:17 PM

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cheaper to learn on, just can't publish/sell

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 3:18 PM

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Cool for portfolio work?

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 3:19 PM

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I believe so, yeah.

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As long as you don't make a profit basically.

buoyant latch Oct 7, 2016, 3:36 PM

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Got ya. Didn't know if getting a job counted as a profit

signal elm Oct 7, 2016, 4:29 PM

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That would imply that blender is difficult to learn

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I am not familiar with Maya but 3D studio max 1 was a mess when I tried it 16 years ago

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Most easy to learn was Softimage and of course Zbrush, ah and Truespace RIP

dreamy jacinth Oct 7, 2016, 4:50 PM

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I used 3dsmax from version 6 to 2012 and when I got a 4K monitor I had to switch because it didn't support it. So I tried out Blender and was utterly lost. The 3d widget was super annoying also (although I can see the point of it). So I tried MayaLT and once I did the 10 base tutorials, I felt like I had been using it for years. My wallet really wants me to learn Blender but time = money so its a tradeoff.

wet plank Oct 7, 2016, 5:15 PM

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Maya's the easiest to learn I think.

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It takes some time to learn where things are, but that's with every program. But things feel grouped right, and broken up properly. Max was just one giant block of everything

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zBrush is nothing but menus, things that should be grouped are split amongst 5 different menus. And it's not even an easy to use menu, because you have to drag and scroll

signal elm Oct 7, 2016, 7:22 PM

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Funny isn't it I find blender and Zbrush super easy I find maya and 3ds ui plain horrible

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Light wave was a mess too

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But Modo and Cinema 4D has been fun

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Which goes to show why we need all these apps , we just think differently

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 8:59 PM

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[PAID] (or contract) WORK WANTED - throwing this up on my buddy's behalf, he's an exceptional solid edge modeller and concept artist and is between contracts. Perfect time to set some triple-A modelling at a good rate. Portfolio: http://brutaldoodle.com/

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@tawny kayak can you pin that manually for me please? the bot only wants to pin one job from me at a time

kindred mason Oct 7, 2016, 9:24 PM

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Tell your buddy to sign up for discord and do it himself ;)

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 9:24 PM

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he's on it, he's pretty busy

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I expect to see him on here tonight 😃

plucky hatch Oct 7, 2016, 9:58 PM

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@earnest jasper Concept art? By hand, by software or by both?

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 9:59 PM

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software. he likes to use a cintiq, so kind of both.

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he took a lot of his concept art down from his port sadly

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didn't relate to the job he's finishing up at right now

plucky hatch Oct 7, 2016, 10:00 PM

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Ok you have piqued my interest though, what about character concepts, is that something he does

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?

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 10:00 PM

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that's what he does 😄

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his character art is phenomenal

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I'll get him to put some back up over the next couple of days

plucky hatch Oct 7, 2016, 10:01 PM

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OK well message me when he is online/in this server

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😃

earnest jasper Oct 7, 2016, 10:01 PM

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will do!

grave echo Oct 8, 2016, 6:32 AM

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hey guys

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how this part work?

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do we need to put something here or just wait for a job and contact them?

earnest jasper Oct 8, 2016, 6:33 AM

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either/or

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read the pinned posts for instructions on how to pin a post or to find work 😃

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then pin a post yourself for work wanted

grave echo Oct 8, 2016, 6:36 AM

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thanks a lot 😄

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 12:32 AM

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introducing @plucky hatch and @plucky hatch

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have fun guys

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:14 PM

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@earnest jasper I don't uinderstand this website

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:15 PM

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discord?

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or my buddy's portfolio?

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:16 PM

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no the one of your friend

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the latter

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:16 PM

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haha I made it for him

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it's just a left/right image slider

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I think some of his latest images may be too big and confusing

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:16 PM

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he is selling a texturing program there aswell?

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:16 PM

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no

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he worked for Luxion

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so he's showing off some of the manual and layout stuff he did for them as well

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I told him to make those smaller

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:17 PM

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ah ok

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:18 PM

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good feedback, thanks

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:19 PM

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I am sorry 😄

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I think the problem is that there is no text telling what the pictures are about

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:20 PM

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it used to just be a site for concept art and models

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he's only recently added the layout stuff, I've been telling him to sort that out since he added it the other day

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it was much clearer what was going on before that

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:20 PM

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so there is a picture of a watch, than of a violin, then there are random flyers advertising some program called keyshot? He did the designs on that?

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:21 PM

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yeah

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:21 PM

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yeah I think that site would work with concept pages

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but how it is it is quite confusing tbh^^

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:22 PM

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yeah, agreed

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thanks Harth

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:23 PM

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and some things just need explanation
like these random film pictures. what did he do there? costume design? scene design? photoshopping the finished pictures? working on the special effects?

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 9:24 PM

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very good point

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he did the matte painting of the backgrounds, but you can't tell in the context of a random website

fathom sinew Oct 9, 2016, 9:26 PM

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oh wow 😄 no, you can't
on the other hand the look quite good I think

earnest jasper Oct 9, 2016, 11:24 PM

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awesome 😄

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yeah he's really talented

plucky hatch Oct 10, 2016, 12:07 AM

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steady depot Oct 11, 2016, 12:46 AM

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[UNPAID] [ROYALTY] Need some low-poly weapon models for a quake style FPS. Looking for a very retro style, and unpolished. No animations, just the mesh. Textures would be a plus, but not needed.

plucky hatch Oct 11, 2016, 12:46 AM

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tough pumice Oct 11, 2016, 11:27 AM

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hey guys, I need someone with a little bit of knowledge in C++

digital gate Oct 11, 2016, 8:11 PM

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[PAID] [LFW] [CONTRACT] UE4 Gameplay Programmer with 2 years professional freelance experience. BP/C++, AI Suite, AnimBP; remote offers preferred.

[NOT A JOB OFFER]

plucky hatch Oct 11, 2016, 8:11 PM

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torpid atlas Oct 12, 2016, 3:58 AM

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'sup @tough pumice , what kind of knowledge ?

buoyant latch Oct 12, 2016, 12:36 PM

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Hmmm, I guess that doesnt pin it.

pearl trellis Oct 12, 2016, 12:37 PM

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try the paid tag?

buoyant latch Oct 12, 2016, 12:39 PM

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[PAID] [LFW] Environment Artist. Full time/contract work. Willing to relocate. Portfolio: https://mcgillchris.artstation.com

Chris McGill

Home page

Environment/Level Art

plucky hatch Oct 12, 2016, 12:39 PM

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buoyant latch Oct 12, 2016, 12:39 PM

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Hey sweet, it worked. Thanks @pearl trellis guess maybe it wasnt really meant to be used that way.

kindred mason Oct 12, 2016, 5:16 PM

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Hmm

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Pretty sure this channel's pins were only meant for Job Offers

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Since people would just spam the job offers with themselves looking for work...and the real job offers would get lost in the mix

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

buoyant latch Oct 12, 2016, 5:23 PM

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Hmm makes sense. That the case @tawny kayak ? I'm happy to delete my pin

grim rampart Oct 12, 2016, 6:05 PM

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[PAID] [CONTRACT] Small contract through the end of the week to help with some realistic high poly / baking work for UE4. DM me your portfolio asap.

plucky hatch Oct 12, 2016, 6:05 PM

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earnest jasper Oct 12, 2016, 10:21 PM

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add a new pin for [Available] maybe?

hazy jay Oct 12, 2016, 10:25 PM

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@buoyant latch I might have a gig for you

digital gate Oct 13, 2016, 2:34 AM

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@kindred mason I asked the last time I pinned this, if it was OK in lounge. Got positive responses from the important people online but if the rules have changed, I'll take the pin down.

kindred mason Oct 13, 2016, 2:49 AM

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@digital gate I don't think rules were ever changed to allow people to post that they are available, or else @tawny kayak would have posted a pin about it by now.

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And atm, it may not seem like a big deal, but in the future it might be.

digital gate Oct 13, 2016, 2:50 AM

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I see.

kindred mason Oct 13, 2016, 2:50 AM

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The biggest issue I see with it, is the misuse of tags

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The tag system is only set up for Looking For People

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Not the other way around

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So it can be confusing