@kindred crag exactly. I can make really nice high poly art, but I can NOT make it low poly and look worth a crap
#ue4-general
hollow ore
normal burrow
Blue is rebuilt as sqrt(1-(rr+gg))
summer yew
i wonder what quixel assets they used/
digital badger
@plush yew Looks like you found the correct paper.
normal burrow
Blue is rebuilt as sqrt(1-(r * r+g * g))
urban gyro
baking sounds much easier tho :/
digital badger
@summer yew There's a collection on bridge
plush yew
BTW the link i provided above has Software you can checkout if you can build it. Its at the bottom "Progressive Geometry Compression Software"
fierce tulip
@summer yew the ones that just got released on bridge
plush yew
So whats the go with ue5
fervent nacelle
at least with BC5 anyway, iirc I dont think thats how it works the DXT 5 compression, but I could be mistaken
fierce tulip
dxt is meh :p
fervent nacelle
agreed
plush yew
Should we start doing high poly?
fierce tulip
use the amount of polies needed.
fervent nacelle
Im amazed Source 2 uses DDS texture format, tbh. Hadnt seen that since I used Cryengine
plush yew
It has to be the paper. If its not this paper, its a newer paper with this as a reference, no doubt.
teal charm
@autumn crystal well intelisense can be quite slow XD
fierce tulip
.pcx :p
normal burrow
God
teal charm
and the other disturbing things
safe rose
@solid gazelle What details can you share about UE5 that maybe haven't been fully detailed that you're allowed to (if there's anything at all)?
plush yew
VSCode > Visual Studio btw
safe rose
Atom
plush yew
^^^
teal charm
yeah vscode is pretty good
solid gazelle
The announce post has all I can say for now!
normal burrow
Rider or something
plush yew
it is but it's kind of a PITA to set up with UE4
autumn crystal
Rider > vs
normal burrow
Yawns
fervent nacelle
Just because you can have millions if poly at once, doesn't always mean you want to, especially if theres a significant additional cost to it
analog blaze
notepad > all
urban gyro
next thing we know UE5 will have it's own IDE
normal burrow
Youโve got no idea root
plush yew
I hate needing to use VS or setting up VSCode
fervent nacelle
I'd rather use the performance boost to enchance gameplay responsiveness
normal burrow
Chance may know though
modest bolt
so I have two questions: @upper heart , @snow crown
- Are the unreal 4 projects able to be moved to UE5 like they would when it goes from something like 4.24 to 4.25?
- How is it able to support that level of high visual fidelity in geo data and in lighting without the use of baked maps or LODs?
autumn crystal
i love jetbrains in general though, WAY more than VS
fervent nacelle
maybe XD who knows
inner cloak
emacs > notepad ? ๐
fierce tulip
@fervent nacelle the more performance I save, the more particles I can add :p
urban gyro
1 yes
2 magic
snow crown
why did you ping me?
summer yew
I do hope they show a breaking down/making off. always interesting to see how experienced individuals make stuff.
digital badger
Do you reckon Nanite and Lumen are the only 2 big improvements between UE4 and UE5?
plush yew
4.25 is supporting some of this?
normal burrow
Virtualization is its own thing root we have no idea of what makes it run better
fervent nacelle
@fierce tulip exactly, and the more normal maps I can layer on each other XD
fierce tulip
@snow crown prolly someone who thinks we are ue5 devs
strong nest
Unreal Engine is becoming the singularity. You just tell it what you want and it makes the game you want but without the stupid crafting system that you didn't really need. From now on, whenever my code isn't compiling I will just scream at the screen - SIXTEEN BILLION TRIANGLES - and it will auto resolve.
autumn crystal
Nanite == ptgi prove me wrong
grave spruce
- yes
- no fucking clue
urban gyro
u normal map fnatics
plush yew
This is a paper from 2000..... wtf 2000s tech real time, dude re are rendering Toy Story realtime
normal burrow
Wat your not ue5 devs? Reee
snow crown
oh. I have no idea i dont work for epic lmao
fervent nacelle
@normal burrow youre right, we'll have to wait and see
snow crown
tho, in their announcement they said they'd be porting Fortnite to UE5
narrow pasture
Point cloud tech has been around for a while, Pixar built their system on it
urban gyro
Anyone know how much code UE5 will deprecate thho?
kindred crag
Can someone tell me in brief how UE5 is better than UE4 as a level designer/lighting artist? ๐ค
snow crown
so i imagine porting is going to be relatively straight forward
autumn crystal
^
plush yew
@urban gyro most likely code no one touches outside of like 6 people
strong nest
@kindred crag SIXTEEN BILLION TRIANGLES
snow crown
to be honest, I would be shocked if UE5 is significantly different than UE4
plush yew
Can someone tell me in brief how UE5 is better than UE4 as a level designer/lighting artist? ๐ค
@kindred crag 16 billion triangles
urban gyro
๐
kindred crag
lmao
fierce tulip
@kindred crag if all goes well, no need for creating lods, and depending on the content, no need to bake down from high to low poly
digital badger
@kindred crag Lumen, the new Global Illumination system allows for better lighting quality
autumn crystal
i hope the team thing comes out of beta and doesnt have to be over lan
snow crown
they are making a huge leap in the rendering pipeline, but I don't see anything being changed or deprecated on the rest of the system
kindred crag
๐ luos
grave spruce
new ui for UE5 ๐
narrow pasture
@kindred crag basically unlimited poly count, dynamic global illumination, what you see in editor is what you get in the game, no baking or lightmapping required
snow crown
they are making rather large tech investments in the networking system, so that will probably be the same
urban gyro
i was hoping macros get removed
kindred crag
Bye bye normal and bump maps huh
fervent nacelle
@fierce tulip So Idk if you know or can say, but will there still be a means of baking lighting if we so choose?
mint raptor
it just doesn't feel like it would be new if they didn't change UI
but UE4 is pretty nice
fierce tulip
now all we need is AI that can help optimize performance and workflow
snow crown
I can't imagine UE5 is going to be a big upgrade if you are coming from 4.26 or 4.27 (or whatever is the last version before UE5)
kindred crag
@narrow pasture you no longer need to build the lighting???
plush yew
So we found the geometry maths, we know the convolutional sound maths, now to figure out the GI maths lol. Good luck people
fierce tulip
@fervent nacelle iunno, im not working at epic
urban gyro
what's wrong with the ui exactly?
mint raptor
@snow crown Ummm Nanite
fervent nacelle
@fierce tulip oh fair, I see you around so much that I just kind of figured haha
narrow pasture
@kindred crag have you had a chance to watch the video? skip to 1:40 for the gameplay and the good stuff that shows it in action
fierce tulip
we are just tiny moderators, who have an affinity with unreal engine, as developers, hobbyists, the like.
plush yew
Don't know if it has been asked already but, does UE5 "Nanite" means that you don't have to care about polycount anymore ? Like have 1 Billions polygons in your game without any performance impact ? Sounds too awesome to be true ๐ค
@plush yew dependent on what you are doing probably
@urban gyro It looks dated for many people
snow crown
@mint raptor yeah, but they are using niagara for stuff
fervent nacelle
@plush yew thats part of what we're trying to determine
snow crown
which means that UE4 features aren't going anywhere
autumn crystal
may 5 releases 4.25, may 13 releases preview of 5.00, they are definitely grinding rn
urban gyro
wait wait, u mean it doesn't have enough space or just doesn't look cool/shiny?
digital badger
inbefore, 1tb file size games
mint raptor
lol well yeah the idea is to keep existing features
plush yew
Im suprised at the sheer lack of notice on the IK improvements ??!?!?!?
fervent nacelle
Wait wut?
plush yew
@urban gyro not flat
kindred crag
@narrow pasture No unfortunately! But if we dont have to rely on building lighting anymore then thats gonna be awesome
fervent nacelle
5.00 is having a preview build released?
mint raptor
@plush yew I'm hoping they will be good but no hype since they didn't get into too many details with them
snow crown
so I have a really hard time seeing them throw out core systems just because it's "UE5 now"
tender flume
Maybe UE5 has some automated LOD system that is AI-based?
gusty geyser
Uh yeah, that hand touching the door gave me shivers. ๐
mint raptor
@plush yew Just implementing foot ik for my game was a pain
plush yew
so it looks out of place considering many other pieces of software look flat these days
inner cloak
in a few years we will all use AI to create cool games ๐
snow crown
which means, the change from the last version of UE4 to the first version of UE5 will be probably small... from a developer point of view
strong nest
@plush yew In UE5, the engine will crash if you have anything less than SIXTEEN BILLION triangles in the same scene. You won't be able to distinguish your screen from real life.
autumn crystal
@fervent nacelle not rn, i meant just they released that they are workign on 5.00
fervent nacelle
@plush yew Yeah, I was hoping for dynamic animation to get a bit more love
plush yew
@inner cloak i kind of hope
fervent nacelle
@autumn crystal ohh, gotcha
snow crown
I bet you'll see all the deprecated features get deleted
urban gyro
Cascade will probably get deprecated tho
normal burrow
Iโm a broken record at this point but, guid lookup if assets over redirectors plz
narrow pasture
@kindred crag I'd imagine there are still benefits to baking lighting, why have dynamic lighting when you don't need it and all, but Lumen is real time so its pretty dope
snow crown
since it's a good place to make a clean break from the old stuff
kindred crag
yeah archer
fervent nacelle
@normal burrow oh god please yes
snow crown
you'll probably see some underlying changes (like the FProperty stuff)
mint raptor
@urban gyro Cascade will be around a few versions into 5 I'd imagine for Backwards compatbility before getting nuked
fervent nacelle
rRedirectros are the devil
snow crown
but all in all, the bones of the engine will probably remain the same
urban gyro
oh yes remove rediroctors
normal burrow
File paths are the devil yeah
plush yew
Can we make it so we can make planets like star citizen
narrow pasture
slap a new skin on it and give it power armor
plush yew
@mint raptor Same, ik now is a night mare, which is why I now have a really cool overgrowth like animation system with ubisofts realtime physics system, in alsv4 rightnow, if they provide more details i think it would be perfect to augment the engine directly with the eurphoia like system i have going.
fierce tulip
doubt cascade will make it to ue5, by then its been 1.5 years since it was semi-depreciated
fervent nacelle
@normal burrow yeah, but I dont think those are going anywhere XD
narrow pasture
sounds like UE5 DOOM edition
mint raptor
@plush yew As of 4.26 maybe
urban gyro
you cann already make planets like in star citizen
autumn crystal
@narrow pasture XD
snow crown
and that will probably make it easy to port games from a recent UE4 version to an early UE5 version
normal burrow
How does that cascade to niagara stuff work @fierce tulip ?
urban gyro
there's no way cascade is making it to ue5
strong nest
Yeah we need to have a going-away party/funeral for Cascade soon I think
snow crown
an old UE4 version to UE5 will be a challenge
modest bolt
@snow crown @fierce tulip . Thanks! I actually just asked because as moderators I thought you guys knew about the engine. And I was curious about the answers to my questions.
urban gyro
ue 4.1 to ue5 incoming ๐
plush yew
Cascade cant go away fast enough imo
snow crown
@modest bolt we know as much as you do buddy
fervent nacelle
@snow crown Yeah, id recommend upgrading to at least 4.23 and then upgrade to 5
fierce tulip
@normal burrow not yet available.
gusty geyser
Yeah, staying a patch or two behind isn't usually an issue, many prefer it, but if you fall back too far, you're going to be in for a world of hurt.
normal burrow
Everytime I hear people talk about uprooting cascade I shed a tear for you luos
snow crown
there was a small leak of details in the UE4 github a few months back, but it was speculation as to what that was
fierce tulip
aww
autumn crystal
@snow crown so who are the ue devs? are they on this server?
tender flume
I think cascade might be deprecated
autumn crystal
ah
urban gyro
oh come on, did anyone actually like cascade?
narrow pasture
I'm hoping the fluid simulations are better, they mentioned it in the video, but they showed like, 120 frames of it at an oblique angle
fierce tulip
though dont just randomly tag them, we kinda appreciate it if you dont.
tender flume
Nope i don't think so maybe
normal burrow
โGimme names, will do nothing with themโ
fierce tulip
some people do :p often with weird spam or questions like WHAT DUS LIGHTMAP ERROR MEAN OMG FIX ENGJUN
tender flume
But why ^
autumn crystal
heh
tender flume
There's like lots of people available to ask help from
gusty geyser
The community team must be thinking "win" today. ๐
modest bolt
cuz internet
urban gyro
cascade + matinee will also get shrekt
modest bolt
wasn't matinee phased out with sequencer anyways?
normal cradle
16 Billion Triangles they said my face: ๐ฎ
normal burrow
They should offer a cascade friendly editor for niagara
autumn crystal
yah i havent really been active in ue4 development recently, i wouldnt even have something to ask them about
fierce tulip
its still around
tender flume
this 16b triangle will cause lag on lower-end to mid-end no?
fierce tulip
es2 and html5 got depreciated last version
mint raptor
Still no word on Nvidia Gamework stuff or Physx Updates eh
tender flume
i feel like it might.
normal burrow
html5 deprecation got me down
urban gyro
is Chaos gonna run on nvidias physx?
normal burrow
No
mint raptor
Chaos is homemade
spare sun
its a full replacement
mint raptor
no Physx
fierce tulip
lol
urban gyro
YES
autumn crystal
wheres my 18446744073709551615 polygon object
tender flume
^ this might lag
urban gyro
WOHGOO, tell me Chaos is on the GPU and it is best news of the day
spare sun
I tried 4.26 branch, chaos seems to break my physics for now
normal burrow
Nonlin physx is actually pretty poorly thought out for cpu
urban gyro
because Physx runs on CPU like an angry grandma
plush yew
you cann already make planets like in star citizen
@urban gyro but how? I saw the 4.26 sky atmosphere video and was confusing, that was a shader, not planetary terrain, just flat terrain
mint raptor
It wasn't great but it's all we have
normal burrow
But it isnโt slow
plush yew
With the amount of maths papers Epic Games has read, who ever is reading these, probably has read the new physics system math being written im sure, if not, nows a good time to look into the robotics journals
uncut trellis
does this new reveal of UE5 change anything for unwrapping and lightmaps, assuming you'll be using baked lighting for some stuff regardless? We'll still need to retopo for UVs etc. right?
normal burrow
@manic pawn has found physx is still beating chaos
spare sun
waveworks are nice but they feel abandoned
mint raptor
I'm not a fan of Nvidia so I'm glad they are parting ways but dam Nvidia did some good work
autumn crystal
hmu when they start using deep learning for their lighting
urban gyro
if Chaos runs on the gpu it will outperform physx quite quickly
hexed dagger
my UE4 installation has been stuck on verifying for the past hour
forest tree
urban gyro
@plush yew they also made 2 moons. Which are spheres. which are massive.
devout gulch
physx is general purpose physics engine
chaos is tailered specifically for ue4 needs
it is specialized
manic pawn
chaos sim is far slower than physx
tender flume
what do you guys think of nvidia gameworks?
plush yew
PhysX is actually not that great if im gonna be honest. I've been a gameworks user for such a long time and seen the improvements at the engine level, and yes amazing, but it needs allot of work tbh
tender flume
good,bad?
devout gulch
it will be faster
manic pawn
it is not
plush yew
normal burrow
Prove it
manic pawn
so it has to catch up
devout gulch
and more tighly integrated with engine
urban gyro
it sux cuz u can't just target ppl with nvidia gpus
devout gulch
will be
plush yew
check what it can do ooommmgg
devout gulch
not is ;p
normal burrow
Prove this assumption iniside :)
spare sun
hacky
gusty geyser
a little late to the party..
spare sun
also nvidia gameworks arent nvidia-only
plush yew
ooow it was already on the discord xD
@urban gyro arent those just static meshes though so? Oh so I guess with 16 billion triangles and a reworked gravity system it would be possible
gray peak
Any programming side news of UE5?
gusty geyser
Do they ever tell us about the C++ side of things? lol
thorn topaz
@gray peak the code writes itself now
plush yew
Anyone else familiar with Foveated Rendering? Id imagine UE5 is a Foveated Render-er
urban gyro
@plush yew I doubt ull be able to recreate a 1 to 1 solar system if thats what ur asking
urban gyro
i mean u probably will be able to, it'll just run only on supercomputers
spare sun
github if that counts
frozen pond
any good place to get free animations that works with epic skeleton ?
urban gyro
mixamo?
sand solar
Does any one know how to fix unreal crashing when i click add coponent
plush yew
The paragon content @frozen pond
plush yew
@urban gyro but I mean with nanite though perhaps?
urban gyro
theres still a year
toxic prairie
so no paper2d updates?
plush yew
A year of preparation and switching engines
toxic prairie
๐ฆ
next badger
@tender flume to prepare to 2021 winter?
plush yew
omg
5?
cant fucking believ it
Were all locked down till further notice, they be like time to learn unreal engine ๐คฃ
fierce tulip
@toxic prairie there is a new tool on the marketplace that can be considered a paper2d replacement/update
urban gyro
@plush yew graphically i don't see why you can't make it with current version. If u wanna be running orbital simulations on many bodies like asteroids moons planets stars etc all in real time, i don't think there's any magic to save u the cost unless u decide to aproximate things based on distance for example
tender flume
@next badger yep.
toxic prairie
wild kestrel
@next badger i bet GDC, or else somebody actully stated "late"?
fierce tulip
not sure what its called, lemme grab a link
plush yew
the f future is here ?
proven mauve
So it wuld seem ๐
urban gyro
in one year, better get ur stuff rdy
strong nest
urban gyro
nice
devout gulch
lack of proper support for large coordinates
devout gulch
is pretty show stopper for simulating solar system
plush yew
lack of proper support for large coordinates
@devout gulch This so much
frank oar
If anyone has a moment to look at a 3 second video I posted in animation.
it highlights the backslide I am getting when I play an animation montage.
Any advice on this would be appriciated, I have already looked at root motion and it didnt seem to help.
next badger
@wild kestrel well, hope so...still a year aheah
urban gyro
you can simulate easy, aproximating tho is gonna have to be done very inteligently
tender flume
after that ue5 footage, unity now feels like a basic game engine suddenly imo.
because royalties arent required to be paid anymore after 1m sales
urban gyro
it is a basic game engine...
fierce tulip
@chrome prism link to your paper2d-thingy-tool please
next badger
unity is a basic engine...
plush yew
how much is the dark theme in unity?
normal burrow
shin-kun, unity is also horrible. so theres that
tender flume
as basic as it is, it can look nice though that im sure
but it seems like unreal engine always has the upper hand
plush yew
ue4 is far more complicated for one
But how can you approximate when if you do you change the scale of the object and the space between but you also effect the lighting and effectiveness on large or small objects. no?
urban gyro
yeah, you can create a mona lisa in Paint 3d too
wild kestrel
Unity is still liter engine, there space in market for that too
stable ridge
(Unity still better for 2D games and mobile tho)
urban gyro
yeah there's space for a game template marketplace platform
normal burrow
@plush yew if you want to game dev in easy mode and don't care about the end products for the consumer: unity
next badger
indeed, so hard to make a simple game for mobile in ue4
plush yew
unigine surpass unity in coming years for 3d games
urban gyro
16 billion tris tho....why would u ever go 2d
tender flume
i think i'd prefer ue4 over unity still
mint raptor
Unity is a fine Engine and Unreal is forcing it be better. If they go open source and keep at it
plush yew
unigine is the next big one
i prefer to develop on ue4 because i love the challenge, the graphics and the feel of the engine but the file sizes are a PITA
mint raptor
should be a fine contender
grave spruce
unreal paper2d never got finish
tender flume
the enhancements theyre making every few months are getting bigger.
urban gyro
for 2d i would never use ue4 lol, thats just pain
gusty geyser
You can also decompile all you competitors .net code and see what's up. Go unity...
real wasp
stable ridge
As an artist, Unreal >>>>>>> Unity. Unity is just...pain
mint raptor
I'd still make a mobile app In unity over Unreal
strong nest
urban gyro
how many billion?
yes
plush yew
Yeah, but maybe Godot is better than Unity too because no complicated licensing crap
strong nest
mint raptor
@plush yew They eventually include it to their engine natively
tender flume
but
mint raptor
NGUI was like that
tender flume
dark theme is still paid
plush yew
plus it has a dark theme
2D games need to make pixel art in applications that give depth to each pixel,
imagine a pixel character, now imagine a plane square at some distance giving depth to the sprite,
that rendered in GI, with shadows and lights, omg, 2d is going to look so amazing.
tender flume
theres even membership tiers in a game engine that should have been free just like ue.
plush yew
Godot has dark theme built in unlike unity and is known for 2d game dev
ahahaha no lod in games !!!!!!!!!?
mint raptor
We should be glad unity exists to pressure Epic even though right now Epic is pressuring Unity lol
normal burrow
unity is crap, its not even about ue4 being great. yes godot would be a better choice as your not land locked into a sandbox you have no oversight of
plush yew
no manual LOD
wild kestrel
I never knew drak theme was paid in Unity xd that sounds bit stupid
plush yew
light grey
fierce tulip
keep the U vs UE convo polite :)
safe rose
๐คฃ
urban gyro
RIP eyesockets
plush yew
Epic going dark
safe rose
Funny thing is...when you need to use Unity to do things in Unreal
next badger
no LODs in games is like...8999 hrs 59 min to download this game
safe rose
@next badger knows all about that with Razer Chroma
plush yew
true
stable ridge
no LODs in games is like...8999 hrs 59 min to download this game
@next badger Hmmm you still need to load all of your LODs tho :p
urban gyro
AOE2 DE upgraded graphix are 30 gigz, and that's just pictures. So yeah ๐
mint raptor
@next badger It's called Algorithms Epic has lots of them
safe rose
Anyway, let's just wait and see what Unity and other engines do
We need some context on what they will offer devs after this
tender flume
unity wont change much.
normal burrow
they'll do what unreal do's
plush yew
i do hope we see significant changes from other engines too
tender flume
and thats fine,
mint raptor
All you need is one High res Texture and one High Res model then Algorithms lots of em
urban gyro
they can offer a marketplace
devout gulch
unity as always is in deep hole
tender flume
at most they'll just do what ue5 did
wild kestrel
Well as extensive VRChat user,.... i don't think they able to match what UE5 is showing
plush yew
yes this is unreal slackers most the people here already chose there path in epic's ecosystem
orchid minnow
While UE5 sounds like a dream, I'd imagine you'd need a beast computer to efficiently run it. ๐ฆ
wild kestrel
that said i only work with 2018
normal burrow
lol
misty owl
I'm all-in with Unreal. Don't see a reason to look at other game engines, when I can do everything I want to UE4, let alone UE5
normal burrow
"heres a model"
tender flume
@orchid minnow i'll test that for you with my 840m in 2021.
orchid minnow
Thanks shin.
urban gyro
@misty owl but you can buy a dark theme in Unity. That's reason enough to switch.
plush yew
I found a good example of how 2d games might look in ue5,
https://ibb.co/MRrHnxb
tender flume
criiii, potato laptop dev.
orchid minnow
..... The whole idea behind "buying into a dark theme" made me stay away from unity in the first place.
mint raptor
I'm probably biased here but Unity's 2D ui workflow > than UMG
brittle tapir
which channel is hyping ue5 right now?
urban gyro
well yeah, that too, unity is very good withh 2d
tender flume
all
mint raptor
all of them
orchid minnow
I just hope UE5 is optimal.
urban gyro
same
hidden heart
every channel
plush yew
i would prefer godot because open source but i hear it's not very great for 3d and frankly it feels a little easy to use (and unnecessarily complicated in a few aspects). i do have other things to worry about though at the moment
orchid minnow
I'm still on an i7 4790k and I'm struggling with a 4033x4033 sized map.
wild kestrel
UMG or more specific Slate is not made for physical games, it like trying to run game using Android UI
safe rose
@brittle tapir Why so excited?
mint raptor
Hope UE5 features work well in NSwitch and older gen hardware
urban gyro
next up, UE5 will run on Beef
safe rose
Of course it will @mint raptor
fierce tulip
because Tom cant hide it
safe rose
Not only did they say so...but it would be dumb if they didn't
orchid minnow
Hey, would anyone know what a good CPU would be for UE?
mint raptor
sweet
tender flume
if it runs on my 840m then it'll work fine on yours too in that case then haha
wild kestrel
And UE5 most likly be using Slate too with UMG
brittle tapir
I hope they will announce more new goodies victor, I won't specifically use that tech myself that they showcased now but Damn it looks so good for what's to come
orchid minnow
I was thinking of switching to an AMD build.
gusty geyser
Assuming new technologies, will work on old hardware, doesn't jive with me.
orchid minnow
Any thoughts?
plush yew
ryzen 7 3750H on a laptop
tender flume
new technologies does not mean it wont be optimized though @gusty geyser i think
mint raptor
lol V
plush yew
anyway i'm out for a while, got IRL stuff to take care of. nice to talk about UE5
tender flume
if its not optimized then it cant run billions of polygons.
orchid minnow
good idea.. lmao
gusty geyser
Indeed, just, typically new shiny things shown off, require some horse power.
mint raptor
Min
urban gyro
wait, I was joking about Beef. Epic really said that?
stable ridge
..... The whole idea behind "buying into a dark theme" made me stay away from unity in the first place.
@orchid minnow As a light-sensitive person post-eye surgery for years, I feel like Unity is asking me to pay a fee for an access ramp. I'm never going back. Ideally engines would allow most UI customization.
safe rose
@brittle tapir You still working on that space station game?
mint raptor
Never going back to Unity because their Engine code is private (Unless mobile App)
urban gyro
as a light hating person I don't use anything that isn't at least grey
plush yew
@misty owl it's great to be all in with Unreal. However it's even better to learn C++. Because C++ is engine agnostic and the game industry becomes your oyster.
safe rose
Yeah, unless you have multple galaxies visible and/or fully voxel destructive environments...
plush yew
that would be great @plush yew but i'm starting to feel like it's not for me - i have used C++ for UE4 in some projects though
brittle tapir
@safe rose yes indeed
tender flume
will C# or C++ ever be obsolete in years to come and instead depend on something like visual blueprint?
gusty geyser
If C++ made the game industry my oyster, I wouldn't be doing server support for an insurance industry as my day job. ๐ฆ lol
feral mirage
so with UE5 it would be now capable of tree's with indivual leafs if it works correctly
tender flume
i sort of doubt it will be obsolete though
urban gyro
just use C++ for function libraries, and ur golden
feral mirage
nature scenes could be coming amazing
mint raptor
@tender flume Blueprint is C++
plush yew
anyway mention me if you need me since i may just leave this chat for a while again
..... The whole idea behind "buying into a dark theme" made me stay away from unity in the first place.
@orchid minnow As a light-sensitive person post-eye surgery for years, I feel like Unity is asking me to pay a fee for an access ramp. I'm never going back. Ideally engins would allow most UI customization.
@stable ridge Wow i never thought of it like that, and this is sooo on the nose. my gosh.
fathom elm
Anyone can point me in the direction about making a bug report? Issues seems to be view/vote only
brittle tapir
@safe rose but my excited is far beyond my personal/current project goals. it's really more about the industry
strong nest
@feral mirage Polygons have a negative cost in UE5. If you're having bottlenecks, just add a few billion more triangles and it should smooth itself out.
fierce tulip
@fathom elm check the pinned message in this channel
mint raptor
@fathom elm https://epicsupport.force.com/unrealengine/s/
plush yew
You havent fedd the AI its per second triangular count!
mint raptor
@brittle tapir Didn't know you were here, thanks for your blogs, really helpful !
feral mirage
I am curious how well it will handle say a dense forrest with leaf's being animated with the wind etc.
or vertex bending i mean
fierce tulip
depends on the overdraw of the leaves
plush yew
Easy, Niagara for leaves and 13 billion poly trees
urban gyro
i wonder about wind, will it be part of the sky and atmo system or will it be like a vector field
fierce tulip
depends on what you implement
urban gyro
well, there's a wind objecet atm, but it only works with speedtree
spare sun
13 billion poly trees
u making lowpoly game?
brittle tapir
@mint raptor only rarely haha! It's usually too much to keep up, and np!
urban gyro
haha
fierce tulip
not to mention, wonder what upgrades skelmeshes get besides a much higher bonecap
stable ridge
Actually I am curious: would this scaling tech be potentially transferable on Niagara meshes renderers / movable objects?
tender flume
please see this as a joke, not to mock unity or anything
urban gyro
and those juicy anim functions for ik
plush yew
13 billion poly trees
u making lowpoly game?
@spare sun I haven't actually laughed that hard in such a long time.
bronze tusk
i wonder what will happen with height maps and tesselation in general
misty owl
@plush yew Hmm, I will take your advice. I like oysters.
fathom elm
@fierce tulip Got it. Cheers!
true ledge
im super curious how nanite will handle foliage
urban gyro
use heightmaps for terrain?
true ledge
and hair
fierce tulip
lol, tessellation on your 30m polygon meshes
true ledge
alpha cards in general
urban gyro
ye ye hair is also interesting
faint musk
I'm more worried about the memory usage. a 100 bil poly asset has to use like a gig of ram
next badger
@fierce tulip tesselation and pom with normal maps
bronze tusk
also they never mentioned anything about static geometry vs dynamic geometry
feral mirage
Yea my idea I been pl;anning will have forest so foilage handling is definitely a interest of mine.
tender flume
its okay. i'll test a million polygon asset if its available anywhere on my laptop when its out @faint musk
urban gyro
avg machines have 16 gigz anyway, why is 1 gig a problem
maiden kindle
Sharksie: They're streamed, but I'm concerned about storage in general
strong nest
@faint musk UE5 will automatically download more RAM into your Hard Drive.
true ledge
let google worry about memory usage! this is perfect for what they promise with stadia, isnt it?
tender flume
stadia
fierce tulip
@faint musk the point is not to just spam polygons because you can, eventually ao/normal map/etc gets more expensive for memory than simple polygons
plush yew
@faint musk Who cares i got 64 gigs of ram, what do i need 6400 billion polys for?
UE5 will have a new editor which is more light weight and less crashy
(we can only pray)
mint raptor
@plush yew Wait really?
next badger
@strong nest it says my windows too old to support downloaded RAM
mint raptor
oh...
tender flume
maybe just a few changes around
stable ridge
Hey people, it's not because you can, that you SHOULD :p It's nice to have a 19B tris scene, but there is plenty to do with 1-2B already
faint musk
Who cares i got 64 gigs of ram, what do i need 6400 billion polys for?
reminds me of 30 years ago when everyone was saying "what do I need a 10 gb HDD for?" lol
tender flume
it cant look too different or people will have to take time to get used to it
urban gyro
yeah, UE5 will also respawn you when u die
plush yew
reminds me of 30 years ago when everyone was saying "what do I need a 10 gb HDD for?" lol
@faint musk What do i need with a terabyte ram stick for?
UE5
next badger
wait...it's UE5? not Vi ???
plush yew
64 gigs of ram is industry standard for game studios
next badger
UEV
tender flume
it says UE5 instead of UEVI
fierce tulip
remembers paying 500 euro for a 128mb usb stick
tender flume
haha
urban gyro
well its unreal engine, not final fantasy
I paid 700 euros for GeForce4 with 64 mb of vram
next badger
@urban gyro not iPhoneX as well
urban gyro
will UE5 run on windows 95 tho? I hope I won't have to upgrade
tender flume
clear cave
How can I get rid of this error? I wanted to make things look nicer in my folder structure in my project on UE4 and then I get this error everytime I launch the project. 4.25
tender flume
actually dx7 looks okay too
urban gyro
next up, Unreal Tournament 5 and Unreal 5 incoming
I wish ๐ฆ
fierce tulip
@plush yew works fine on my high end rig, dont blame all the crashes to the engine :p
tender flume
blame the crashes on your rig
fierce tulip
@urban gyro cant wait till they cancel ut5 :p
tender flume
not the engine
hushed wing
@clear cave You probably started a c++ project, so in your TFPGameGameMode.cpp file you have a reference to your ThirdPersonCharacter file. Which you moved, so you need to update the path there and compile again.
plush yew
@plush yew lets hope UE5 isn't just a rebrand of UE4. Then maybe it won't shit itself so much...
tender flume
if it doesnt have sufficient amount of memory or a good card then it'll crash a lot
ember quest
My ue 4 project was converted to 4.25 version. UE created new folder for it with same name and .25 after it but when I try to open old version I am getting a message that it was made with newer version of engine
urban gyro
I closed a while loop and my engine crashed. Damnit epic, fix.
plush yew
remembers paying 500 euro for a 128mb usb stick
@fierce tulip Wow mr money bags, i remember paying like 4 years of birthday money to buy a new pc that could run Doom orginal, i had to get 2 8mb sticks b/c the dang mobo wouldnt boot with only one ram slot!!! man the good day, kids dont know how easy computers are now adays
bronze tusk
Kensei that is not going to happen, specially that Fortnite will make use of ue5 tech for some major updates ^_^
tender flume
what happened to him lol
plush yew
Lets hope Tim Sweeney hires actual expert top level programmers to work on the backend of UE5
clean up the code
urban gyro
@bronze tusk I hate Fortnite for killing THE Tournament.
strong nest
UE5 will require at least 32GB of Ram and a modern graphics card. If you don't have these, UE5 will automatically provide one for you with a SIXTEEN BILLION TRIANGLE virtual graphics card with all the power of a physical unit.
fierce tulip
@plush yew I was a student eating noodles at the time, trust me, i was far from mr moneybags, still am
bronze tusk
Kensei, don't hate, that enabled UE to evolve :D
normal burrow
where are you getting these numbers @strong nest ?
urban gyro
but my tournament ๐ข
tender flume
forget the tournament
urban gyro
blasphemy
tender flume
we want graphics engine evolution
clear cave
@hushed wing That did the trick. Thanks! ๐
tender flume
sacrifices have to be made for something in return c:
urban gyro
doom came back, next up is ut
strong nest
@normal burrow joking
hushed wing
@clear cave np ๐
plush yew
UT is very generic has no lore of it's own compared to something like quake or doom
urban gyro
but yea in all honesty i much prefer the engine ๐
fallow heath
I think the Nanite is a bit oversold but the dynamic GI is nuts.
urban gyro
yeah but quake doesn't have hyperblast
next badger
plush yew
I think the Nanite is a bit oversold but the dynamic GI is nuts.
@fallow heath how could 16 billion triangles be oversold
rain moss
So my question is will UE5 be open source this time around or are they going lock things down this time?
clear cave
lmao @next badger
spare sun
pretty sure dynamic gi is quite a performance hit
mint raptor
Do we know if Nanite will be with dynamic meshes or only static meshes?
urban gyro
4.27 afaik
tender flume
oh yes, dynamic gi will be a performance hit
that is for sure
if the word dynamic appears, it'll use more resources i think
plush yew
depends on the gi, it can be quite cheap
urban gyro
can probably disable on a per instance basis
tender flume
but i do think it might be optimized for release
mint raptor
Looking back at the video when they show Nanite view of triangles the Character model disappeared making me think only static meshes.
urban gyro
well, it better be better than VXGI
grave spruce
4.27 or 28
tender flume
it would be a dealbreaker if those polygons were good then lighting caused framedrops because of dynamic gi
next badger
rain moss
@urban gyro Have you heard anything about open sourcing UE5?
urban gyro
no, that's what I came to find out
full kestrel
that'd be nice
mint raptor
plush yew
Idk, I have an RTX and it's got cores dedicated to realtime GI i think ? but anyways the rtx demos i made in dx12 are pretty solid, vs the traditional way, without the GI cores being utilized it does take a significant hit so maybe we just need tech
urban gyro
tensor cores gonna be cewl
plush yew
Looking back at the video when they show Nanite view of triangles the Character model disappeared making me think only static meshes.
@mint raptor still insane though for environments and everything else
lucid magnet
anyone who can help me with this?
urban gyro
it has to be open source tho, if UE4 is
heady quartz
I don't think this new nanite thing is good for size tho, is it? Like if you're gonna have 44 million triangles for every mesh then every mesh will be 1gb or something
rain moss
Iโve been wondering that because theyโve shown and talked about so much but I feel left out that one detail that truly makes UE4 amazing and thatโs open source!
bronze tusk
@rain moss there is no such thing, specially that Tencent giant monster owns almost half of epic games
urban gyro
tencent only has 40%
lucid magnet
Anyone who can help me with this?
plush yew
Hey
tender flume
compression will definitely happen i think so
mint raptor
@heady quartz Still the same problem we already have, games will get bigger and bigger as we can allow high res content
urban gyro
plus lets face it, you won't be using that many tri's anyway. Sometimes its easier to work with less
mint raptor
but also at some point there is probably little value in having a 16K texture with a 4K screen right?
plush yew
The geometry code is already opensoure, or atleast the best suspect has its code open source so if you wanna try the whole billions of triangle thing you can by downloading the progressive geometry compression software, its not ue4, but it probably the underlying technology behind the geometry in ue5. or in any case its a similar idea for sure.
bronze tusk
@urban gyro in 10 years they probably eat blizzard and epic games completely
hushed wing
@lucid magnet There are no actors of "Rifle Blueprint" in your world. So it returns NONE
tender flume
geometry compression software hmm
urban gyro
blizzard? what is that
tender flume
so maybe i was right
plush yew
UE5 new features lumen and nanite is the source available on github? I couldn't see it in 4.25 or master branches
Is epic games using private repos for it
Or they iterate on the git public version?
urban gyro
you mean activision?
bronze tusk
what's left of it
lucid magnet
@hushed wing but i have one attached to my character
fierce tulip
@plush yew private branch until ue5 is released
void palm
will UE5 also be free like UE4?
fierce tulip
yup
void palm
or will it be different?
urban gyro
i don't think tim will dump his engine into tencent
plush yew
@fierce tulip will the source available?
fierce tulip
prolly
mint raptor
UE5 source probably private right now
plush yew
If yes then why they keep it in private?
mint raptor
Competitive advantage so Unity guys don't know what Epic is working on .
urban gyro
there's 2 more versions of ue4 left to release as well
hushed wing
@lucid magnet Well the function GetFireMode is being called at least once when it cannot find one. Maybe it gets called before your character is spawned or something. You can add a "IsValid" check to the output first, it will make your error go away.
plush yew
Will the source be available on the release?
mint raptor
Imagine if Unity knew Epic was working on this tech
fierce tulip
probably
plush yew
So not sure?
mint raptor
they would be fast tracking to it too
Now they have a delayed start
if they weren't already trying to do it in secret as well
fossil swift
they have to still release the source because that's the big selling point of the engine, and it's not possible to do everything you need to in a game without source anyway
fierce tulip
im sure it will, but until ue5 is released or more info is released its all guesswork
plush yew
Imagine if Unity knew Epic was working on this tech
@mint raptor Imagine if Intel knew what AMD was working while AMD made those crazy 64 core machines
urban gyro
UE5 will be able to make a Unity engine simulator ๐
plush yew
@fierce tulip any idea how it's implemented nanite feature
fossil swift
they may not release source at the very start of early access in 2021 but I don't see a scenario where they don't eventually release the source at some point
mint raptor
Probably native
fierce tulip
@urban gyro a friend of mine is working on something that uses unity to generate specific things that get loaded into a ue4 scene. (nongame)
next badger
@fierce tulip are you preparing to it by learning Niagara?
dense hatch
anyone have any idea why an instanced static mesh would not trigger an overlap event? when a static mesh with the same mesh and coll settings does trigger it.
next badger
@fierce tulip i'm using Unity to make animation for Razer Chroma to be used in ue4 ;_;
plush yew
@plush yew The best guess for geometry is this https://cm-bell-labs.github.io/who/wim/papers/compression/ everything else hasn't been found
stable ridge
I love Niagara (just, guys, let us replace Static mesh reference in the mesh renderer at runtime please omg)
fierce tulip
A potential look into the mesh rendering in UE5 http://hhoppe.com/gim.pdf
or possibly https://devblogs.nvidia.com/introduction-turing-mesh-shaders/
along with Rah's post
urban gyro
but isn't that locking in with nvidia? if epic gonna do that, why dump physx
plush yew
I love Niagara (just, guys, let us replace Static mesh reference in the mesh renderer please omg)
@stable ridge Can't you? there isnt a dropdown arrow with the ability to change the render mesh?
next badger
The main problem of Mesh shaders is that, even Nvidia does not have tools to debug those
stable ridge
@plush yew Sorry I meant runtime
mint raptor
Well seems like Epic wants to ditch Nvidia but they are doing RTX raytracing work with them
fierce tulip
its an example on how it works, nothing more.
mint raptor
so I am confused too
next badger
@mint raptor DXR is not limited to Nvidia...nvidia just was first
orchid jetty
I need to upgrade my computer for this ;( i was using ue4 with a gtx 1050 and 8 gb ram lol
modern socket
Will we be able to transfer projects to UE5 easily or will it just be totally different engines with no way to transfer efficiently
urban gyro
how the hell am I supposed to use the "plain old UE4" now...
mint raptor
@next badger wasn't the current tech done with Nivida help or did Nvidia not have a hand in it?
I can't even look at UE4 now lol
feral mirage
@modern socket you can transfer.
tender obsidian
supposedly they promise an easy transfer
slate basalt
is there an easy way to expose the variable from a component to be instance editable (override) on the actor?
plush yew
anybody know how to attach weapon to hands? my characters in third person dont reload the weapon just do the hand animations
urban gyro
epic gut punching early ๐
slate basalt
(without creating a shadow variable)
next badger
with ue3->ue4 it was impossible to hard to migrate the assets, some of the formats that were in 4.0-4.1 are not even available now
stable ridge
@modern socket I except the transfer to be between "slightly buggy" to "complete nightmare", depending on how much the tech changes and how many plugins you have
modern socket
@feral mirage thank god for that. So I can just keep working on ue4 for these months and as soon as UE5 drops I can transfer . Great
urban gyro
oh yeah, did they say UE5 will support cad files and the such?
mint raptor
I think you have to assess how much has changed between formats from 4 to 5
urban gyro
i hope .blend will also be supported ๐
mint raptor
I don't think much has changed in that area
next badger
@urban gyro u4 does that
stable ridge
@urban gyro People use cad stuff in games?
mint raptor
most of it are features that should translate well
urban gyro
aparently
tender obsidian
I wonder if they'll give us more control over physics in 5
plush yew
with ue3->ue4 it was impossible to hard to migrate the assets, some of the formats that were in 4.0-4.1 are not even available now
@next badger Impossible to hard, is the best scale for this task lol. I had so much UDK stuff i made and it never seen the light of day in UE4 ๐
next badger
blend won't be supported, until Blender will change the licence
mint raptor
@tender obsidian Once chaos is fully fleshed out
fierce tulip
look up USD files, which seems to be a good alternative for fbx
mint raptor
but no big news on Chaos features for 5
urban gyro
what's wrong with blenders licence?
mint raptor
aside from what we already know
tender obsidian
so far the engine sounds pretty close to 4, minus the rendering overhaul of course
hopefully none to big a learning curve
plush yew
It's said they have loseless compression and get same quality with less traingles how?
next badger
@plush yew sadly -_- i have 2 scenes for udk that i wanted to migrate to ue4 but they still WIP
for years
mint raptor
It makes sense if I'm thinking about it correctly. You only have so many pixels on a screen and why render more than what you can show. If you are really far away you show a lot more but all you show is also zoomed out and when you zoom in you show a lot less but can show more detail.
urban gyro
honestly it sounds like downscaling mipmaps but for polygons
mint raptor
Now when we hit 8K > screen resolutions...
plush yew
@next badger SAME omg, I have an entire Morrowwind style UI for interacting with information known to a specific npc and how you can learn info from them by reputation and them liking you / knowing you. but it will forever sit in udk because its literally impossible to send over. except redoing everything from scratch lol
They show traingles in the video as noise lol?
urban gyro
no they are just so small they look like noise. listen to audio
mint raptor
looks like noise because there is no need to render the triangle in full at that distance
But I haven't read the research papers or looked at the source so i could be wrong
plush yew
Can I get the papers you referring to
And what about lumen?
Just dynamic GI?
@plush yew Not noise, the triangles are just the same size as a pixel on the recording so they look like noise
mint raptor
Official papers from Epic none-released papers detailing the concept do exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HScYuRhgEJw
plush yew
Really? That means they have to render millions or billions of traingles?
And they do in real time lol
urban gyro
yes the online services is awesome
barren flume
so you'd be able to set up your own game?
urban gyro
are these services launching with UE5 tho?
barren flume
and achievements
plush yew
It's not though, its a progressive detail algorithm watch the noise as the camera moves, its progressively interacting with the geometry
@mint raptor you have any resource on any open source implementation on it?
ffs UE5, I still haven't learned a bit of UE4 ๐
urban gyro
u got 1 year
strong nest
You don't need to learn UE5, it just makes the game for you
plush yew
true that
strong nest
You just slap stuff on the screen and it goes
mint raptor
@plush yew Whatever you can find on google for https://www.google.com/search?q=Voxel+ray+casting&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS838US838&oq=voxel+ray+casting&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0j69i61.3823j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
fallow heath
@plush yew because your asset sizes are gonna be rediculous if you leverage it that hard. Nanite will be handy but nowhere near the game changer global GI will be.
urban gyro
yes lets use the new crazy tech to make porn
who needs awesome aliens big xplosions and fully destructible enviros
plush yew
2 Years for now VR is gonna be insane.
urban gyro
robots comets lazers and all sorts of other cool stuff
strong nest
Does Nanite work on SkeletalMeshes?
next badger
@strong nest good question
urban gyro
eerm, guys, since when is there a development portal on epics website? ๐
mint raptor
@plush yew took epic 3 + years
next badger
it it's based on Mesh Shaders siilar tech - it should
urban gyro
i just logged in to grab the online services sdk and there's a dashboard and all the works lol ๐
plush yew
That's great and all, but do we really need a UE5 yet?
If nanites geometry stuff is Progressive Geometry Compression, then people have said it works with skinned characters.
urban gyro
imagine vertex animations tho...
mint raptor
@plush yew Marketing needs UE5
next badger
@plush yew i'd love to test it for VR...as for now VR in ue4 is limited to forward rendering
mint raptor
2021
next badger
mid 2021
mint raptor
assuming no Covid delays
plush yew
VR works perfectly with deferred rendering
tender obsidian
early 2021 preview, late 2021 release
next badger
2021 GDC
mint raptor
They should be fine though, all devs
plush yew
Doesn't perform as well, but that's not related to VR specifically
when UE5 is released will people need to relearn the engine like the previous transition from UDK to UE4?
modern socket
This generation is going to be CRAZY. Especially with the power of the new consoles not holding us back. Oh boy....
plush yew
very crasy
urban gyro
there's gonna be so many games
plush yew
If i read this correctly on this other paper talking about compression and geometry, animation, and textures, it seems like there is a generic compression scheme that can be used much like a neural network? idk, its written a bit high brow for me
urban gyro
vr now works with deferred? omg
next badger
@plush yew if you know how to use Chaos, Niagara, new ue4 Rig, Cinematics...probably not...most people not aware of those stuff
plush yew
VR is in need of Foveal Rendering, and its what i suspect UE5 runs on,
mint raptor
I recall this old video talking about how traditional hardware would reach a triangle cap and how Voxels were the future. Little did they know we would turn triangles into voxels (or whatever this compression tech is really doing lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4
urban gyro
wait, can u animate in-engine now?
next badger
yes you can
urban gyro
like keyframe bones
next badger
yes
urban gyro
holy crap im gone for 6 months and wtf ๐
so what u just import the rig into ue4 and boom it works or do u need to rig in engine
plush yew
@urban gyro it's all happened bro ur too late our indie dreams are over :/
next badger
plush yew
they drop UE5 on our head when alot of us still learning basic UE4 things
@mint raptor is this what u meant?
next badger
@plush yew i've asked few Epic devs, and even they not familiar with ue4
polar bobcat
Anyone know a decent resource for the vehicle physics systems? PhysX documentation is proving to be a bit of a puzzle, and there's very few videos I could find on the subject matter. Especially pertaining to things such as the slopes which to seem based on UE4 rather than PhysX itself?
plush yew
@plush yew The major reason i don't suspect Sparse Voxel Octree Raycasting to be the geometry part is in the limitations part
'The method also comes with limitations of course. So the speed up depends on the motion in the scene obviously, and the method is only suitable for primary rays and pixel properties that remain constant over multiple frames, such as static ambient lighting.'
stray smelt
When you have multiple instances of a blueprint, all of them have BP- > Create dynamic material instance -> set texture -> spawn decal (using material). They're all shared across all instances of that blueprint. How can it be made per-instance? so that one change in material does not affect all
dense aurora
anyone knows why is UE so laggy ?
plush yew
@plush yew so what they use?
grim ore
@normal burrow I would assume not for the basics. The Line Trace node is probably still the same in 5, same with most things I covered. Intro to series will have to have a 5 version. In theory I think most "skill" based videos, stuff that teaches how to do stuff, should still be applicable to 5
plush yew
But it says it's limited and slow depends on the motion of scene?
mint raptor
The guy from Epic that mentioned it referenced that as something he had been looking into for 10 years
plush yew
What is the graphics card on ps5? Is it powerful than RTX 2080 TI?
real pasture
Just saw the UE5 footage. All I gotta say is RIP Unity and Source 2. Lol
mint raptor
Source 2 has been RIP
Not even Valve is sure if they should work on it or use Unreal
mint raptor
They still working on it out of pride from what I gathered
plush yew
Actually they don't care they are now more of a software company
drifting crypt
ue5 is still free?
plush yew
The git page
strange yew
man of course UE5 would get revealed the day after I start learning ue4. fml
plush yew
@plush yew If it progressively compresses geometric data down, then even a low poly game would benefit from it. as its just something the renderer does as it renders the scene
half panther
@drifting crypt yes
plush yew
It's more likely to be this paper, http://multires.caltech.edu/pubs/compression.pdf @plush yew
@plush yew Too
drifting crypt
@half panther how do you know?
half panther
faq page
mint raptor
@plush yew the compression on that looks too crappy to be that
tacit onyx
@strange yew You may as well keep learning. Very little in terms of inengine development will likely change. Even the bit that does, knowing the engine already will give you a better understanding when the new stuff comes out.
half panther
also its unlikely they will ever charge for their engines
mint raptor
True I mean it could be based on it
dense aurora
i wonder how will the UI of UE5 look like
half panther
me too
plush yew
@plush yew this paper is showing the compression right? But after compression it looses quality?
hollow ore
I'm sure this new renderer is the Area 51 of Epic Games tech.
thick herald
probably very similar to 4.3
normal burrow
yall need to remember this is a playstation 5 too
half panther
its a game eingine, thats normal if your pc isnt that good @dense aurora
tacit onyx
@dense aurora Are you trying to develop on a toaster?
normal burrow
theres no direct x on playstation 5, and shared memory is a thing
plush yew
I have a toaster but its running fine for now
plush yew
@plush yew Yes, as the model is further in the scene it would get compressed as it rendered it based on the distance from the camera
As you move closer it uncompresses to its original
dense aurora
(from Cryengine to UE4)
half panther
ue4 has more functionality
hollow ore
@dense aurora your PC needs to be at least better than the PC the game is intended to run on
rigid spruce
ueVive Sony
dense aurora
i want to make simmiliar game to paladins
which aint really Heavy on PC
comic graphics
or how you want to call it
plush yew
@plush yew but UE5 nanite is doing something different they keeps the quality but compress it less traingles
It's said from 1 billion to 20 million and still get quality
rigid spruce
holy shid this was an amazing vid
half panther
still high poly
rigid spruce
yea still high ๐
half panther
well, yes
dense aurora
i can run it smooth as butter
half panther
but still not low
dense aurora
who puts pre-rendered models in their games lol
half panther
do you even have the expertise to make such a game?
tacit onyx
@dense aurora Not sure what your lag issue is, my engine runs at 120fps unless I have more than twenty tabs open.
half panther
what are your specs @dense aurora
dense aurora
i said simmiliar
mint raptor
Poly optimization tech has existed but doing it in realtime and preserving the original content look is amazing.
fast ledge
Yo what is up with UE5? ๐ฎ
plush yew
@plush yew Any way you cut it, if you compress something you are removing information. thus removing quality, there is no way to remove vertex without removing quality, unless they aren't but rather something else entirely i couldn't find similar in my journals or online
dense aurora
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mint raptor
I think if you are far enough away you can remove information and have it still look good to the eye
dense aurora
cuz i don't want to be insulted
half panther
hahaha lmao
mint raptor
But LODs still looked to blobby from afar
sweet relic
@dense aurora set engine scalability settings to Low
mint raptor
Think Oblivion seeing structures from afar blobby
half panther
if your pc is that bad, its no wonder you are experiencing lag with a game engine
mint raptor
But this tech it will still look "crisp"?
plush yew
@mint raptor That's why compression is probably the answer. As the renderer is rendering it compresses it to where triangles are the size of pixels. or un compresses it to fill pixels
rigid spruce
no more low poly shid so we can grap cad data to our love ue5 engine right? stream verties right? Billion verties
tacit onyx
Then don't click on auto, click on low.
maiden swift
hollow ore
@dense aurora RAM and hard drive speed are usually the biggest issues.
dense aurora
i have 16 GB of RAM
dense aurora
i7-7700
hollow ore
16Gb is min but you really need 32 and SSDs
half panther
also good
plush yew
@plush yew they are doing something else then
rigid spruce
i see hype is there ๐ฅณ
half panther
gpu?
half panther
yep
normal burrow
more hardware speculation
plush yew
They pretty much keeps quality and render very less
hollow ore
Shouldnt matter a lot for editor
half panther
nah, you dont need 1080 to run it
hollow ore
Make sure chrome isnt running. Close the launcher
plush yew
@plush yew Probably not, there is evidence in the video of the triangles randomly colored, they are being progressively compressed/uncompressed as the camera moves. you can see the triangles change size real time
abstract relic
Kill me @maiden swift
dense aurora
hmm
i wish UE changed logo simmiliar to Cryengine
like Cryengine has those Es what RAZER has
in their logo
normal burrow
end this suffering of specs and will it work and whats a ps5
hollow ore
Lol
wet brook
unreal better than unity confirmed
still moat
I got the general question for all of you cause i saw someone download unreal
How fast is on average your internet?
plush yew
@plush yew no
half panther
10mbytes/s
plush yew
They say no bake
wet brook
@plush yew for lighting not nanite
flat scroll
Great now artist can be even more lazy. Games will be like 500gb with UE5 ๐
whole quarry
@still moat mine is a slow 500mbit
plush yew
Lumen?
wet brook
there has to be some baking but how much and what kind is up in the air
half panther
but im not the only one using it
plush yew
I'll make a high quality gif of the video highlighting what i believe to be the smoking gun of their tech, give me a moment.
wet brook
@plush yew yeah no light baking with lumen
tacit onyx
@dense aurora Go into your Editor Preferences and search for "framerate", turn on the "Show Framerate and Memory". If the framerate in the top right is oddly low, try to press ` and type t.maxfps 60
sly coyote
So since drawcalls and polycounts are going to be a thing of the past...does that mean that projects still following strict guidelines for it will suddenly preform 100s of fps better out of the box?
still moat
Mine on average is 60MB/s lmao
plush yew
@wet brook what is the tech in lumen? Just Dynamic GI or the sparse Voxel Ray cast?
wet brook
"fully dynamic global illumination solution"
half panther
lumen looks pretty good
plush yew
Is the implementation available anywhere else now? @wet brook
hollow ore
I wonder how many people are downloading ue4 today after that reveal and $1,000,000 royalty floor change
plush yew
Lots
hollow ore
I bet medium studios are lining up
loud knoll
anyone have a date for the first point release of 4.25?
plush yew
What method they use for Global illumination? @wet brook
Raycastbor path trace or Ray trace?
dense aurora
i wonder if someone made RE in UE Engine
wet brook
@plush yew no clue it could just be a beefed up full RT package no one knows
half panther
i dont think the 1000000 royalty change will affect it that much
plush yew
Probably Ray tracing as they are working with Nvidia for it on next gen
still moat
Wait how much was it before?
wet brook
@loud knoll early 2021 preview late 2021 release
plush yew
So since drawcalls and polycounts are going to be a thing of the past...does that mean that projects still following strict guidelines for it will suddenly preform 100s of fps better out of the box?
@sly coyote dont think anyone knows for sure
half panther
iirc
hollow ore
No it was $3000 per quarter
brisk osprey
UE5 Preview 1 maybe 2020 ???? pls
ashen ermine
I love how this channel is now on fire ๐ "several people typing" - never seen that around here before!๐คฃ
plush yew
@plush yew Probably as @plush yew said
half panther
ah right
wet brook
I suspect we might see some of these features in dev-rendering before 2021
plush yew
My question is how much of an effect would it have on mobile gaming since their specs are so low
loud knoll
@wet brook 4.25 not V dude jesus
half panther
was that unity? idk
fierce forge
what's the name of this node from materials ?
hollow ore
@plush yew if it helps large poly it would help lower poly equally
wet brook
@loud knoll oh sorry I saw a 5. 4.25 is out
ashen ermine
@fierce forge constant - aka hold 1 and click
loud knoll
@gleaming narwhal Yo mang 4.25.1 any date yet?
woeful bobcat
Unreal engine 5 still looks unreal.
fierce forge
tnx
hollow ore
@half panther yes Unity. So.eone on Twitter asked sweeney to match Unity on that scale a few months back and his response was "I can look into that"
mint raptor
@plush yew yeah in the video he does say "Lossless compression"
hazy rivet
It's a constant 3 vec
half panther
@fierce forge
hollow ore
@fierce forge
loud knoll
@snow crown maybe make a new channel for V hype train since it is a year a way so we can talk about 4 related real things?