while everything actually goes on in the background to load the next area
#ue4-general
limpid turret
brisk urchin
From the blog it says, "Nanite geometry is streamed and scaled in real time so there are no more polygon count budgets, polygon memory budgets, or draw count budgets; there is no need to bake details to normal maps or manually author LODs; and there is no loss in quality." is this for real?? 👀 🤔
turbid wigeon
"Wait, i need to do the low poly, and bake my maps"
"Old school, go UE5"
azure shore
where she went through the thin gap?
turbid wigeon
#mindblown
limpid turret
so I don't think they're being entirely honest with 'no load times leaving or entering buildings'
yeah where she went through the thin gap
azure shore
oh wow thats kinda clever I never thought of that
Im hoping it doesnt mean small maps then
tranquil isle
@brisk urchin I'll believe it when I se it
limpid turret
yeah its smart for the actual devs, but I'll always hate seeing it now I know the trick
azure shore
yeah itll be quite noticeable
acoustic pagoda
cant wait to make low poly games on UE5 :P
limpid turret
I see it in literally everything nowadays
worthy inlet
Woah, the new royalty terms are amazing
violet frost
"streamed in real time" from where? most people still use HDDs and i expect the "streamed" files to be huge. i have so many questions. 😄
worthy inlet
RIP Unity 😮
azure shore
I think Ill try to look out for similar things lol
oblique sorrel
limpid turret
oh what
azure shore
chad ue4 destroys virgin unity
crisp swift
i feel kinda bad tho because i know unity devs are going to be stealing ue4's megascans for their assetflips
limpid turret
I didn't know mando used unreal
wary birch
I guess it will be more asynchronous loadin
azure shore
wasnt unity already worse optimised even before this lol
lament plaza
I just saw the demo for UE5 on my twitter feed. jawdrop
kindred vapor
RIP Unity 😮
@worthy inlet bruh, almost every game on phone was made by unity
And it’s a lot of money
limpid turret
also my college still uses unity for the majority
turbid wigeon
no royalty under 1M$ revenue
tranquil isle
any link for new royalty terms?
limpid turret
I think I'm the only guy using unreal on my course
turbid wigeon
goodbye Unity?
wary birch
Epic Online Services also just opened
crisp swift
@kindred vapor lmao thats not true ue4 mobile games look wayyyyy better
oblique sorrel
@tranquil isle The announcement has a link to a FAQ: https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/a-first-look-at-unreal-engine-5
turbid wigeon
1M$
flint trench
Yo is there a way to put the modes panel back to how it was before 4.25?
turbid wigeon
they're insane
tiny sonnet
unity is wayyy better for mobile gaming
flint trench
I hate the new layout and toolbar they added
kindred vapor
@kindred vapor lmao thats not true ue4 mobile games look wayyyyy better
@crisp swift bro show me better game that journey on phone
violet frost
i can just say that im not a fan of the ES3.1 shader model from ue4 when developing for android.
half panther
"nanite will just take the movie assets and do the right things with it"
twitch steam, on movie quality assets in games
turbid wigeon
makes me want to replay tomb raider
lament plaza
For me, it's never about revenue, royalty, it's always about C++ and the source code. 🙂
kindred vapor
Ue is for triple a games not mobile
limpid turret
see I consider 3d art to be my specialty, but it kinda makes me feel shit seeing what the industry standard is now lmao
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/883a2112507a567159e7fcee71cb0948.gif best lamp is lamp
kindred vapor
Unity does everything for mobile and 2d games
worthy inlet
yeah, Unity is fantastic for mobile dev. It's a friendly engine for sure. I meant in terms of desktop development.
crisp swift
@kindred vapor Ocean horn 2 looks better on mobile than any unity game i've ever seen on pc
worthy inlet
The sheer quantity of built-in systems available in UE today (quixel, etc) just make it an immense package.
tranquil isle
I hope they'll make upgrading a smooth process
violet frost
im kinda bummed out about this, because my best work was always polygon optimization for hard surface. now i know what the people being replaced by machines feel like 😄
tranquil isle
I wouldn't want to be left behind after all this time
limpid turret
hah yeah I know right robbe
bright pebble
😍
limpid turret
I guess I really need to get into sculpting now huh
theres no way I can manage this look by hard modelling
crisp swift
urban meadow
no one wants 500gb games, polycount will be fine for a while
limpid turret
true
wet brook
Bruh ue5
violet frost
@limpid turret now we have to be good artists instead of good with the techincal aspect of modeling. eww 😄
buoyant wave
I’m thinking of switching to unity for a 2D project personally
limpid turret
I know right
buoyant wave
And keeping my FPS one in UE4
vast tartan
Moore's Law. 500GB in 5 years will be small.
limpid turret
aw but I suck at the actual art aspect
violet frost
same
limpid turret
yeah I seriously need to get like, a guy to teach me sculpting properly though
otherwise I'm gonna fall behind
brisk urchin
Imagine in like 5 years or so those fast M. 2 ssd drives being upgraded to hold over 20tb of data.
violet frost
i cant afford such an m.2 probably😂
crisp swift
honestly fortnite is the best thing to happen to ue4
vast tartan
That's exactly what will happen. SSDs will get bigger and cheaper. This is a huge step for next gen development.
granite iris
https://i.gyazo.com/883a2112507a567159e7fcee71cb0948.gif best lamp is lamp
@fierce tulip That's a virtual set running on realtime, Tim is on a Lab rn XD
plush yew
Ue5 coming out in 2021
limpid turret
I'm starting to realise that my 'new' pc aint gonna hold up too
plush yew
When I decide to start making a game it gets announced
violet frost
i just hope the future of unreal engine isnt bloaty games that take up 500GB of storage with these new features.
fierce tulip
you can move from ue4 to 5
alpine wigeon
Start making it anyway 🙂
brisk urchin
This is probably why the console companies are trying to emphasize their ssd upgrades for next gen. I'm sure pc will have access to much better hardware too.
alpine wigeon
Even if you were not able to seamlessly upgrade you will have figured out the systems for the game and the assets 🙂
errant ice
UNREAL ENGINE 5??????
vast tartan
@violet frost It will be. You can't stream tens of billions of polys without insane storage.
urban meadow
right? they haven't even finished ue4
limpid turret
mm I did find that a little strange
like we just got a ue4 update
and then bam ue5
errant ice
This is a delayed april fools joke
torpid vortex
Love you Sweeny
oblique sorrel
Well, UE5 is coming in 2021, so it's not right after UE4 update
brisk urchin
@limpid turret Yea but UE5 isn't coming until fall 2021 though.
limpid turret
true
torpid vortex
“Starting today, you can download and use Unreal Engine to build games for free as you always have, except now royalties are waived on your first $1 million in gross revenue. The new Unreal Engine license terms, which are retroactive to January 1, 2020, give game developers an unprecedented advantage over other engine license models."
plush yew
Hopefully they make more free assets and their better
limpid turret
god I seriously need to up my game before it comes out though
crimson basin
https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/content-creation/1759883-landscape-blueprint-brushes-river-spline - Anyone got any ideas? I just need to know if this is broken or not 😦
dark rune
i really hope they make it a smooth transition because I was just getting to grips with UE4
lyric tusk
finally a dynamic gi which doesnt need rtx
vast tartan
I'm gonna say this now. Watch jobs for Unreal developers EXPLODE in the next 5 years.
rotund jacinth
I just watched the UE5 trailer and am pretty hyped. Questions about all the dynamic GI and streaming geometry. I assume this only works on things that would have been considered static level geometry? I see that it supports destruction but can movable physics actors (not skinned meshes) use this or are they going to sample light probes in the scene, etc. Basically my question is- Do movable actors spawned in the scene impact dynamic GI the same way as level geo or are they only able to receive that info via lighting probes?
limpid turret
so like
considering I can't character model and have been modelling for about 2 years now
how long should I be expecting to be at this level
gilded flame
all the unreal engines are built or based off of their predecessors, so yes and no?
glad stone
@vast tartan why though ?
gilded flame
depends on your definition
dark rune
how much relearning will i have to do
because I just started UE4 like 7 months ago
plush yew
what is polygon memory budgets?
it says there is no more need, but I don't understand what it is 🤔
oblique sorrel
4.25+ projects will be upgradeable to 5.0, so I don't suppose all the underlying APIs will change
vast tartan
@glad stone Everyone is going to use this. From film to TV to games to animation. And it's all for free.
safe rose
Is this April Fools?
oblique sorrel
Polygon memory budget is how many polygons you can keep in memory. It limits the detail of meshes you can show on screen at one time @plush yew
dark rune
@safe rose its may
plush yew
@oblique sorrel ty 😄
restive oxide
I'm dreaming
dark rune
the youtube announcement was uploaded today
sinful pier
Did I read that right that from Now on royalty’s do not count if you’re under $1M revenue?
idle garden
Unreal Engine 5 🙌
safe rose
Yo...
But this is the best thing...
Unreal Engine royalties waived on first $1 million in game revenue
tranquil isle
@sinful pier yes
safe rose
wtf
dark rune
guess ill be using my end of year to learn ue5
fierce tulip
need to sit down and have a glass of water Vic?
oblique sorrel
The royalties are also retroactively waived to January 1st 2020
vast tartan
When does the waived royalties kick in?
safe rose
Yeah man @fierce tulip like...wtf
restive oxide
did I just heard that they have a room with 16 billion polys running smoothly on a playstation?
safe rose
This is actually crazy stuff
oblique sorrel
Yes, without normalmaps, just sculpts
safe rose
Along with EOS being available
tiny sonnet
i mean the royalties dont affect me, i doubt i will ever get a million
safe rose
that's the point...
dusky inlet
this also means open world suddenly becomes doable by a one man team provided the assets are available no?
oblique sorrel
That's the point
safe rose
lol
vast tartan
@restive oxide All streamed.
tranquil isle
I'm questioning the statues, they were obviously instancing them
dusky inlet
regarding performance etc.
plush yew
Once you've begun collecting money for your product, you'll need to track gross revenue and pay a 5% royalty on that amount after $1,000,000 in gross revenue is earned. To report your earnings, complete and submit the royalty form on a quarterly basis.
oh yes baby!!!!
oblique sorrel
Already possible with level streaming and stuff
sinful pier
Royalties previously applied over $3k per quarter
rose hull
ehs; and I'm just sitting here hoping for a better editor experience...
brisk osprey
I cant belive im alive in this time
dusky inlet
Already possible with level streaming and stuff
@oblique sorrel ye but before you had to considers lots of performance issues with big worlds. And I think most of them no longer apply with ue5?
hasty osprey
wait so open world games will be easier to make with UE5?
oblique sorrel
Seems so, yeah
safe rose
Man
restive oxide
any type of game will be easier if we go by the trailer
safe rose
They are really putting the hurting on other engines now
wet brook
UE5 is just UE4 but better.
gleaming narwhal
@tranquil isle The amount of polygons is no "trick"
safe rose
Godot was becoming popular
dusky inlet
I'm questioning the statues, they were obviously instancing them
@tranquil isle instancing only helps with draw calls, not gpu rendering
violet frost
did fortnite give them so much money that money itself isnt a factor anymore for epic? 😄
grave osprey
Oh boy unteal engine 5
safe rose
This is their counterpunch
safe shoal
Truly bonkers.
grave osprey
So what is the biggest feature in UE 5 ?
safe rose
Yes, this is only possible because of Fortnite BR
safe shoal
I would expect that most of the engine hasn't changed, the new rendering tech is absolutely mad though.
grave osprey
Skeletal mesh LOD ?
oblique sorrel
Godot fans: "4.0 will rival UE4!"
Epic: "Hold my beer"
safe shoal
Chaos, Niagara etc. are already present in UE4 for example.
dusky inlet
asset creation pipeline definitely @grave osprey
grave osprey
I am curious
pearl sparrow
no light baking
grave osprey
What the fu
pearl sparrow
no light maps
lone yoke
"Art just works"
dusky inlet
wait there is no static lighting at all anymore? I missed that
pearl sparrow
I wonder about collision then
oblique sorrel
Just load up high-poly sculpts and add dynamic global lighting, no biggie
grave osprey
So you mean baking are not nessesary ?
lament saddle
@grave osprey virtualized geometry, real-time GI
devout rune
I guess this means more devs will use UE5 instead their in house engines
errant ice
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tranquil isle
good luck animating a 33 million mesh 😂
lunar gazelle
can't read you well my eyes are all wet 🤣
grave osprey
Lmao
Kneel before my rig
You dont have to put your standard high af
Wait. Do skeletal mesh lod exist ?
tranquil isle
yeah
grave osprey
I mean the generator for it
tranquil isle
yeah
plain mural
grave osprey
Thank god. So i dont have to decimate manually and re rig
pearl sparrow
okay I really wonder about how you author collision for these wacky environments 🙂
limpid turret
can't wait to see this link sent every five minutes now
plain mural
lmao
knotty nymph
🙂
tranquil isle
we're all dead
limpid turret
also yeah uh I am kinda worried about a lot of things here
knotty nymph
have they released any technical docs on how this tech is working?
limpid turret
but mainly that I'm not gonna be a good enough 3d artist since I don't know how to sculpt
dusky inlet
Thank god. So i dont have to decimate manually and re rig
@grave osprey they said just no LODs anymore so why use LODs?
tranquil isle
Yeah, and last generation they said no more lightmaps
dusky inlet
"Nanite geometry is streamed and scaled in real time so there are no more polygon count budgets, polygon memory budgets, or draw count budgets; there is no need to bake details to normal maps or manually author LODs; and there is no loss in quality."
no, just NO LODS ANYMORE
:D
oblique sorrel
Just load up high-poly sculpts and roll with that
grave osprey
Thats weird how that thing work ?
lament saddle
It is a mystery
grave osprey
I mean do my old laptop can handle the engine itself ?
tranquil isle
I wander if there is some AI involved
devout rune
I remember seeing an Nvidia showcase on something like this
grave osprey
Or they have zbush tech.
real wasp
I'm just Jaded from the 2005 PS duck demo. The tech demo didn't represent the games that were to come.
oblique sorrel
FailArmy theme at the end of the stream lol
lunar gazelle
zbrush is 2.5d only when you drop a mesh on canvas
restive oxide
the first indie games coming out with this tech in 2021: install size 1500gb 🙂
proven ivy
I'm not gonn alie... UE5 makes my mouth wet
dusky inlet
why? no need for baking means lower file sizes @grave osprey
grave osprey
Wot ?
tranquil isle
@dusky inlet my ZB project files would disagree
wet brook
yes
grave osprey
I think billion of poly is big file size
dusky inlet
dynamic lighting = computed on the fly, static lighting has to save the lighting data
raven narwhal
lol, I have some zbrush models with a file size of 1GB
digital anchor
yeah, about 100 million polys is 0.5gb mesh
wet brook
no you don't
digital anchor
noones gonna ahve a 1tb game
grave osprey
You need quantum compute
wet brook
that was running on PS5
lunar gazelle
@woeful zinc amd rdna2 gpu
wet brook
so ~2070 non super territory.
hasty osprey
okay so the tech called Nanite will basically render normal maps useless, so you don't have to bake'em since Nanite will take care of the details for you. And the other new tech Lumen is the global illumination tool which helps with the lighting so you dont need light maps. So you can bring your model raw from Zbrush, ok. But there is still the issue of the games size, making these big open world games will be like 500gb games. That isnt so practical is it?
tiny sonnet
thats wut i thought
grave osprey
Yes the game size gonna be absurd
plush yew
will nanite be heavy?
quick kelp
i'm guessing UE5 will still have blueprint system ?
dusky inlet
usually its the textures that are heavy weight on the game size
grave osprey
It will be very heavy
dusky inlet
textures and sound
lunar gazelle
seems like they are close to reach nvidia tech now yea
grave osprey
My poor 13 year old laptop
tiny sonnet
lol
faint cedar
well
quick kelp
also will the rate of game charges change? like they to take 5% from you for publishing on steam, will it change for UE5?
stoic folio
First thing i did when i saw the demo is to rush here and ask how the fuck they gonna run 10 terrabyte game haha
daring tundra
It looks absolutely insane ^^
wispy comet
Really curious to see more info on it
plush yew
will projects made in unreal engine 4.25 be upgradeable to 5?
wispy comet
but good lord I lost it when they got here:
tiny sonnet
demo looks fcking insane
wet brook
UE5 is UE4 but with more stuff
grave osprey
Let just wait the info. I still like baked lighting.
amber girder
Why isn't it 2021 yet 😦
versed oracle
amber girder
Damn
wet brook
there is not anything fundamental changing.
quick kelp
also wonder if market place assets i have for UE4 will work for UE5
daring tundra
They mentioned it should be upgradable
tranquil isle
@wet brook what about that sick water simulation haha
wispy comet
I'm actually glad that they're releasing it in late 2021
wet brook
@quick kelp yes the answer to any question of will it work in UE5 is yes it's just UE4 but better.
wispy comet
otherwise I'd be tempted to move my current project over to it
wet brook
@tranquil isle that's pretty amazing but it's still ue4 but better
wicked hound
i am screaming internally rn
knotty nymph
i wonder if this allows the CPU to handle a huge load with many threads more easily
remote roost
its probably just gonna be ue4 with a new ui, new renderer, and other new features
tranquil isle
@wet brook I was joking it looks horrible
wet brook
not even new UI
plush yew
So, with ue5 being announced, does this mean its source is different or just various engine plugins of the ue4 engine have been redone to allow for such things ?
remote roost
theyll probably do a new ui
real wasp
Wonder how Chaos integration would go? millions of destructible polys....
wet brook
@tranquil isle better than anything in the engine RN
remote roost
So, with ue5 being announced, does this mean its source is different or just various engine plugins of the ue4 engine have been redone to allow for such things ?
@plush yew same source
fierce forge
how i can resolve this problem with the color ?
lunar gazelle
it might has a compression algorithm to reduce the weight of 33 millions models , no ?
grave osprey
Even big question is. Do old game project can be imported to ue 5 without serious bug ?
wet brook
yes
wispy comet
I'd assume the 'UE5' name is partially just a marketing term to keep up with the new console generations
wet brook
^
plush yew
Figured so, thats amazing. Thanks @remote roost
wispy comet
Like don't get me wrong Nanite and Lumen are insane
wet brook
UE5 is UE4 but better it's juat marketing
gaunt cairn
Is there any info on how Nanite works? It basically sounds like sorcery right now. How did they achieve that?
wispy comet
but it's not going to be that different to UE4
wet brook
^
real wasp
Epic already have excellent upgrade paths. I'm sure upgrading will be a non issue
grave spruce
@plush yew
wet brook
it's just UE4 but better
safe rose
UE5 Blueprints = Brain Powered Scripting System
grave osprey
@gaunt cairn my theory is the engine automatically reduce your mesh poly count by distance
So having no lod at all.
Real time LOD
amber girder
and that's f'ing huge
plush yew
Well, not always, in software a major revision number such as 4 -> 5 usually dictates that things are completely different,
which if its not much different than ue4,
then ue4 was future cutting edge and we were previewing the future with ue4. which imo is true.
violet frost
i mean there is already something like that. automatic LOD distance calculation
solar agate
So UE5 is a UE4 update but rebranded right ?
plush yew
That's what i think most everyone is thinking @solar agate
remote roost
ue5 is not just a ue4 update
solar agate
That's what makes the most sense tbh, so it's not surprising I guess
violet frost
can you even call it rebranding? its just a new version number, right? 😄
amber girder
i guess renderpipeline was rewritten for ue5
remote roost
its based upon the same source
ripe ferry
i hope some ui improvements happen too
quick kelp
Does anyone know when ue5 will be released ?
remote roost
its not an entirely different thing like ue4 was to udk
oblique sorrel
Oh man, GamesFromScratch is gonna have a field day, he just got done covering 4.25 and the May assets lol
amber girder
early access restricted or ffa?
safe rose
Don't forget... they have been working on another scripting system other than BP
tranquil isle
@safe rose what?
dusty marlin
ue5 ❤️
oblique sorrel
With the guys that made SkookumScript, no?
plush yew
early access restricted or ffa?
@amber girder i thnk ffa
violet frost
will the business model stay the same as ue4? free to use and (now) royality only after 1 mil?
severe coral
damn that video is insane
safe rose
So there's a chance a new non-visual scripting language will be in UE5
plush yew
@safe rose Wasnt that the python implementation?
safe rose
Nah
oblique sorrel
@violet frost Yes
wispy comet
I just realized, they usually release these demos
safe rose
They hired the guys after python
plush yew
Will the Nanite system be the default or is it an additional feature that you can choose to activate?
safe rose
@oblique sorrel ya
midnight gate
am i reading this right?
i only have to pay them 5% royalties if i make a million?
is that correct?
oblique sorrel
Yes
amber girder
yep
midnight gate
WTF
midnight gate
THEYRE GONNA GO BANKRUPT
plush yew
B/c i recall allot of useful things with python being able to interact with the game, most notably the potential of selenium /appium style testing on a game.
severe coral
unity just got boned
amber girder
nope
safe rose
No...
rapid ridge
holy shit
safe rose
That Fortnite BR money is too good
midnight gate
I DONT HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CENT CUZ MY GAME IS NEVER GONNA MAKE A MILION :D
rapid ridge
this is amazing
violet frost
they already have 50% of the worlds money through fortnite(jokes)
safe rose
They know they got that money for years and years
midnight gate
today is the day unity dies
rapid ridge
long life fortnite lol
severe coral
remember they also invested 1 million dollars in the blender foundation, of all things that's the coolest thing epic games have done recently
hard cobalt
Does someone know what this artstyle is called ?
amber girder
as much as i despise fortnite, but yes, @rapid ridge
solar agate
Also most of the people they're courting are big studios, that's what brings them money
grave osprey
Unity stoked. Godot at suicide watchlist.
plush yew
Also MegaGrants, That program is amazing
tranquil isle
Praise the young gods
solar agate
Like they can waive thousands of indies that aren't gonna sell for every FF7R they can get to use their engine and still be in the green
severe coral
@hard cobalt isn't that anime with some cel shading
floral bear
@hard cobalt celshading?
dusty marlin
Will they put in c#? ahahah
severe coral
it would be amazing if they did, but I don't expect they will
plush yew
When is UE5 coming tho?
rapid ridge
python would be great 🤔
glacial pecan
Nanites? Get your midi-chloreans out of my Unreal Engine! 🤣 So, did Dreams have it right? SDF everything?
solid apex
@plush yew Early 2021
severe coral
with the new Rider for unreal engine there's not much of a reason to complain about c++ anyway
it works so nicely
floral bear
Honestly, I wish UE5 would reintroduce the custom lighting node, as having to do celshading using shoddy post-process effects that don't give enough creative control, using a 120GB compiled version of the engine, or using unlit materials and basically gutting dynamic shadows are all rather limiting options.
solar agate
Yay for Python, it's super popular too
plush yew
The problem with adding a language like C#, which it already uses for the building of the C++ btw. is the added tech debt for maintaining and updating the c# language bindings. really if we could have automated binding generation any lang would be supported lol
severe coral
c# is super cool to work with, I would take that over python
hard cobalt
@floral bear @severe coral if i wanted the same grass what do i need to do ?
violet frost
"cloud gaming" would only be good as some sort of hybrid solution. loading the shading data in advance for the level. i would never want to play games with 80ms input lag
heady valve
UE5 is coming!
forest tree
jawohl!
amber girder
@severe coral help pixeltris to get usharp better
oblique sorrel
Even with Rider, C++ compile times are balls
And I'm not a huge fan of its macroitis
dusty marlin
with the new Rider for unreal engine there's not much of a reason to complain about c++ anyway
@severe coral Is it already out?
severe coral
btw if you still haven't tried the new rider for unreal engine, I highly encourage you to try it
it's in free open beta
forest tree
What's that @severe coral ?
ripe ferry
@hard cobalt maybe ask on the art tab , everyone loosing their minds here lol
forest tree
IDE?
ripe ferry
including me
severe coral
and with 4.25 the plugin is directly in unreal engine, you don't have to get it from the store anymore
violet frost
@hard cobalt you take a grass texture, remove all kinds of shadows from it and make it 1 color
fervent nacelle
Anybody have additional info on nanite and geo streaming?
severe coral
IDE from Jetbrains, the guys behind Resharper
fervent nacelle
I have technical questions
severe coral
it's SUPER good compared to visual studio right now
amber girder
i hope it's faster than vs
severe coral
the intellisense has an almost instant response time
scarlet token
Rider has been amazing for UE. intellisense actually works right
severe coral
whereas vs shits the bed almost constantly
oblique sorrel
It's like VS + R#++ + more, and doesn;t take a week to start
amber girder
ok, i buy it right now 🙂
hard cobalt
@hard cobalt you take a grass texture, remove all kinds of shadows from it and make it 1 color
@violet frost okay thank you
severe coral
unless you have visual assist or something like that
oblique sorrel
Rider for UE > VAX
severe coral
@rapid ridge It's like Visual Studio but different
plush yew
Rider is resharper in a dedicated game development ide. isnt it?
severe coral
ye
spare dust
RIP UE4 gang
severe coral
violet frost
just dont make mistakes. who needs intellisense
forest tree
xD
frail sail
so after ue5 will rebrand to Real Engine 6 or still unreal ? xD
quaint coyote
I cant believe it!!
oblique sorrel
I mean, the name is fitting like never before lol
fervent nacelle
anybody have any idea whats going to happen with UE5 and UV-cooridnate based scaling shaders? Anybody who understands game modeling will understand that UVs-are based on clean topology, something that is less likely with high-end assets due to their significantly more complez structure
amber girder
silly me, already have it, just not installed
oblique sorrel
@amber girder Make sure it's Rider for Unreal, not just regular Rider
frail sail
same for me bro, hope UE5 have a good new networking architecture
severe coral
remember you do not need anymore to download the rider plugin from the marketplace, starting from 4.25 that plugin is embedded in UE
plush yew
Idk, VisualAssistX from WholeTomato was worth every penny. So a new ide with claimed better perf and features, idk should be insanely useful
fervent nacelle
Like for detail normal lasyering and UV-tiling and manipulation functions
oblique sorrel
We only know what was shown
fervent nacelle
Damn
dusty marlin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk-uw9Nh81s
@severe coral thanks bro
oblique sorrel
Gotta wait for more details
rapid ridge
gamefromscratch is the best!
severe coral
@plush yew I agree VA is great, but Jetbrains really hit the nail with that UE custom version
violet frost
i dont expect that to change to be honest. @fervent nacelle UV based textures will stay as far as i know
severe coral
My hope is they have a community version
severe coral
Jetbrains is too massive for that
amber girder
@oblique sorrel ty
severe coral
But they could do a partnership of sorts
plain mural
Wondering if Lumen will allow Ray traced lighting without RTX graphic cards
fervent nacelle
I was also wondering
glacial pecan
wait wait wait... did Epic really do this? 🤣 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4
plush yew
JetBrains is good and has always offered an opensource version of their tools, that is to say if you have an opensource project, you can contact them and get a free license.
fervent nacelle
Possibly but to a lower fidelty using a better version of 4.24s SSGI
thats my guess anyway
severe coral
Yeah, but my hope is they release a community version for everyone, perhaps with some elite features disabled
plain mural
still better than my current laptop set up lol
plush yew
probably will, just like their pycharm vs pycharm pro versions
oblique sorrel
vivid vale
bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
oblique sorrel
Fastest click in the west
plush yew
@vivid vale Right, imagine all the devs who were about you put their quarterly's in lol
lunar gazelle
about the royalties i read it retroactive from the 01.01.2020 so it also apply for UE4 projects now
vivid vale
RISE UP INDIE GAME DEVS
rapid tree
Did you guys see the lighting stuff and model stuff in UE5? It's mental.
fervent nacelle
It also makes me wonder if we can still bake lighting if we choose to. Because I don't care how advanced you dynamic GI is, theres still PLENTY of situations where a lightmap is still better for performance when the dyanmic nature isnt needed(well, the GPULightmass lightmaps, anyway, not really traditonal.)
plain mural
hot dam, Epic gotta Epic
severe coral
I guess UE5 is more or less something like UE4.30
vivid vale
is the ue5 gonna be free?
amber girder
i wonder how many cores are busy with reducing the geometry, lol
carmine scroll
I'd legit pay for Ue5
fervent nacelle
I mean, to be fair, that fidelty is perfectly attainable in current UE4
you need to know how to use it
its the dyanmic nature
brittle tundra
still blueprint compatible?
severe coral
I don't see why Epic would suddenly change their model with UE5
vivid vale
ue5 is too fancy in my opinion
severe coral
this is UE4 with new things
carmine scroll
likely in a same way @vivid vale
proper stump
ve got a custom character, it has an identical skeleton to the default mannequin skeleton (the IK is missing), when i import it into UE and select the default skeleton, i dont get any errors, when replace the mesh in the character BP, it breaks. where do i start to debug that?
plush yew
@fervent nacelle What im hoping for is light cycle baking, where we could automatically bake like say 24 different light maps and transition through them
fervent nacelle
they said upgrading from 4 to 5 should be relatibely easy, so I cant imagine the workflow will change that much
@proper stump wrong chat guy
proper stump
The imported character assigned to the default skeleton
uncut widget
Unreal 5!!!!
proper stump
The imported character assigned to the default skeleton
lone yoke
i expect UE5 to phase out all old tech from Ue4, like Cascade, navmeshes, physx.
plush yew
was announced
next badger
I wonder if Epic going to ditch Physx in UE5?
carmine scroll
So how come, with Ue4, we cant use millions of poly assets, or can we, but theres a long workflow to it ?
fervent nacelle
@plush yew Oh yeah, they're like layered lightmaps, right? I wouldnt mind some of those
flint trench
I wonder if Epic going to ditch Physx in UE5?
@next badger they are ditching it in 4.26 lol
lone yoke
They will definitely ditch PhysX
carmine scroll
but in Ue5, its gonna be more normal ?
proper stump
@fervent nacelle, where then?
plush yew
@fervent nacelle Yeah exactly, either layered or animated! or both!!!!
vivid vale
minecraft: WE JUST GOT RAY TRACING!!!
epic games: we are gonna end this man's whole career
fervent nacelle
@carmine scroll YOu can, you just have to be very precise and aggressive with LOD transitions, I did a talk at the boston IGDA about such things @proper stump animation tab under content creation
toxic girder
fervent nacelle
@plush yew I'd be down for that, I just dont yet trust full dyamics
fervent nacelle
especially given the slowdown I already have with ray-tracing just because Im using a 1060
sage wolf
Just wanted to drop in and drool over the UE5 announcement 🤤
fervent nacelle
yuip
vivid vale
I wonder what real time lighting like this will do to my gpu in vr 🤔
carmine scroll
But this new UE5 system doesnt use LODs ? At least they never said it was @fervent nacelle ?
oblique sorrel
Wait, Lumen will be real-time? No light baking?
restive oxide
can we get a counter on how many times we will see it posted? 🙂
sand edge
probably a lot
quaint coyote
This is gonna be huge
toxic girder
sorry 😦 Just wanted to share what I was watchin
amber girder
RE AL TIME
grim ore
@carmine scroll they said no AUTHOR created LOD's, not that it did not use any
next badger
@flint trench um, sorry, what? any links to that claim?
celest forum
Unity: WE JUST RELEASED URP and HDRP
epic games: we are gonna end this man's whole career
plain mural
I am guessing it will draw geo to view relative to screen?
grim ore
@plush yew it will work just fine
fervent nacelle
@carmine scroll In ue5, you're correct, although I really wanna know more about the virtual geo streaming. It sounds almost related to the trello card they had for years about per-triangle culling instead of culling the entire model
glacial pecan
@celest forum you think UE5 will run better than Unity on mobile? VR? I'm not so sure...
carmine scroll
@grim ore but they mentioned rooms of BILLIONS of tris. Implying no LODs.
Like thats insane
sand edge
there's no reason to use LODs if you dont need to
vivid vale
the epic finale
amber girder
@plush yew i still use my old 1700x, still fine
plush yew
@fervent nacelle I have an RTX 2080 and been messing with Dx12 and Vulkan recently and I have to say GI isnt here just yet.
I feel a layered, or animated baked lightmap would be able to offset the GI to a point where we could only need to run GI in choice parts where it could be here right now
grim ore
@carmine scroll why can't it use LOD's and still have billions of polys
carmine scroll
But my point is, Billions of polys is mad. You couldnt do that for a game in Ue4 without some serious witchcraft, right ?
grave spruce
basically start your project and migrate when ue5 available
sand edge
yeah thats also crazy
plush yew
It's b/c they constrained the tris to the size of pixels. You'd be surprised how many triangles get culled after just that simple check. -> if its smaller than a pixel, it dies.
sand edge
epic games is just like "hey guys we know the world is ending so here's literally everything you could possibly ever want in a game engine"
grim ore
4.26 will be 4.26, 5.0 will be 5.0
spare sun
5.0 aint made from clean slate
sand edge
now just make z brush in engine
honest vale
if you read the announcement on the blog you'll see they'll migrate fortnite to UEV
in 2021
tough quiver
I wonder if the knowledge we've built with 4.2x will carry on with UE5.
unique knot
Was 3 transferable into 4?
sand edge
yeah, seems like 4.25 projects will be migratable which is fantastic
i don't think 3 was transferrable to 4, but it seems like they've realized the error in that
plush yew
@sand edge I think it's commute time to work added to worktime and being forced to stay home, allot of devs are like, screw it lets just bang out the next five years right here right now
storm burrow
this is not an entirely new engine
its just some added features
awesome added features, to be sure 🙂
celest forum
@celest forum you think UE5 will run better than Unity on mobile? VR? I'm not so sure...
@glacial pecan Who knows right now, but they got Robo Recall working on Oculus Quest. Never say never.
storm burrow
it's like you migrate from cascade to niagara
or if you decide to use lightmass in your next project when you used realtime lighting before
carmine scroll
Guess I need to upgrade my rig for UE5😅
storm burrow
Unity is extremely strong in the mobile space and it's unlikely UE5 will magically change that
devout rune
I thought I had a few more years with my rig, but I guess not 😭
real wasp
just when we're about to get GPU baking lol. I think there'll still be a place for static lights
spare sun
yea it does feel like new features, initially I got a bit scared with migration
storm burrow
Definitely, for archviz and clean environments you need light baking
grave spruce
Robo Recall Chaos 
lone yoke
UE5 = ultra upgraded UE4, without old tech(like cascade, manual level streaming, physx) and more streamlined workflows. At least that seems to be the direction they want to take,.
storm burrow
yeah looks like it
vivid vale
imagine all of this is PLAYSTATION5 EXCLUSIVE
fervent nacelle
@plush yew I ended creating my own workaround for GI and shadowing of all meshes whiile mainting 90-120fps. It relies on GPULIghtmass for high-fidelity lightmaps and uses a shorter range dynamic light to reduce dynamic shadowing cost and falling back on the light maps at a certain distance. And for situation for a like a lighthouse light or something, I developed a system that when a character gets in the way of the light, A function in the character's BP will track the character location in the to the light sourcs, and spawn a light with proper settings to make seem as though the light is reach that whole distance, and the in-betweeen space is handled by baked lighting and the volumetric lightmap
vivid vale
xDDD
raw rock
sand solar
raw rock
hey why my foliage trees not spreading throught the whole quadrant
plush yew
my guys
grim egret
">"Don't have to worry about poly-counts"
Ah yes, now the standard Unreal game will take up 3x the space of Ark" a coment from the video, what do you think about this? like if the poly dose not count, that means BIG FILES
plush yew
@fervent nacelle Gosh dang that clever! mind if i steal your idea for my game's lighting 🤣
in the demo they showed this
which was made out of 33million triangles
fervent nacelle
@plush yew Yeah, go right ahead
fierce tulip
its cheaper to get more polygons than a higher res normal/ao map
quaint coyote
it's incredible
next badger
Hmm. That shoul provide superb performance for VR
as if you can crunch bare triangles like nothing, it's ok for VR
hybrid scroll
@plush yew are the specs of PS5 confirmed to be similar to RTX 2070?
fervent nacelle
@plush yew Hang on I'll grab a screen of a scene I'm working on that uses this
fierce tulip
you cannot properly compare console hardware with pc hardware
fleet cedar
For point clouds in unreal engine are those done using triangles? I wonder if this new UE5 system supports that
plush yew
@plush yew are the specs of PS5 confirmed to be similar to RTX 2070?
@hybrid scroll the ps5 gpu is about 10TF which is about the same as a 2070
solar agate
PS5 specs should be more similar to 2080S I think
dark depot
It's more it fundamentally changes workflows
plush yew
xbox is around 12TP
dark depot
Tf means nothing
solar agate
A teraflop is not worth the same depending on architecture
plush yew
I mean true, because it doesnt account for the VRAM speed its just a measure on how fast the Chip is
azure adder
Teraflops might be 20-30% ish different depending on arch, but it's a good ballpark
hybrid scroll
oh, btw. was that ue5 demo 60 or 30 fps?
fierce tulip
@plush yew its probably easier than you'd think
sand edge
alright fellas, in light of this news I'm going to have to expedite my learning of unreal. anyone got good comprehensive resources for learning it? Besides just the documentation
hybrid scroll
and what res?
hybrid scroll
nice
sand edge
is the demo 30fps, or is the video 30fps?
grim ore
demo is 30
plain mural
this is actually huge tho
plush yew
@fervent nacelle thanks, It may just be what my lighting needs, I was thinking about exactly using dynamics for short distanced and fallback on lightmaps for greater ones, but i couldnt bring myself to implement it fully. as i had some hitching,
i think your spawning of lights with proper settings to fake the light, is actually all i really need to fleshout for it to work.
solar agate
Really, the only thing we have to go on is the Xbox one series X port of Gears that was said to perform like a 2080S without optimising, so it's Series X is probs better than 2080S which would mean PS5 falls roughly in that range ?
azure adder
For projects, API difference will be the big hurdle
plush yew
@sand edge lets be honest there for a second if the demo was running at 60fps epic games would release a 60fps video
winter gale
I hope UE5 will be open source like UE4
azure adder
I wonder if they'll include the scripting language Tim's been working on
marble knot
I have acquaintances working on nextgen games who say the hardware is very similar between consoles
plush yew
Hardware is almost identical # ooopsdidisaythat
grim juniper
It just sounds like UE5 is a larger update than normal to UE4, but it's still just an update
amber girder
@plush yew you always have to work on a project a bit when upgrading, if you have a c++ codebase. if you're just BP/assets, you should be fine
marble knot
It sounds like a marketing thing, yeah
cedar plover
What I'm wondering is will they upgrade the unreal editor UI
because damn, it's outdated looking
azure adder
Hope the editor UI is changeable outside of c++...
plush yew
Slate needs some love, nothing will happen is no one loves slate 😉
cedar plover
@forest tree That's nice, but any chance the icons can be changed too? They contribute to the clutter.
Thanks in any case.
grave spruce
lime bough
Can you imagine not having to optimize meshes
forest tree
You can change to small icons somewhere yeah @cedar plover
There's a setting
(Is an included option in UE4)
half panther
i recently thought about ue5 but i never imagined it coming this early.
i estimated maybe 2023-2024
grave spruce
violet frost
is the dynamic GI done with raytracing? so it runs like crap? no 120fps possible? 😅
lime bough
Ue5 came out of nowhere they are still working on ue4
cedar plover
I was hoping for a more modern look, but I guess that's subjective and personal.
safe rose
There will be other considerations to worry about
fervent nacelle
@plush yew 120fps is almost always possible if you know what you're doing and have the enough time to do it
cedar plover
I'm just used to most of the apps I use looking modern (that includes Blender) so I really dislike how the editor looks
floral bear
Would be neat to see someone pull a Half-Life Source and bring the Elemental Demo into UE5.
marble knot
It's probably just a version bump with more marketing behind it
misty owl
That flying scene at the end of the reveal video was amazing. Next God of War game will be incredible.
floral bear
@cedar plover Yeah, the UI honestly needs a facelift.
forest tree
Yeah me too @cedar plover, but that theme I linked + small icons setting goes a long way
lime bough
Can you people chill with the negativity where is this coming from did you even see the demo
misty owl
This is awesome.
fervent nacelle
yeah, and im down for that no questions
lime bough
If it's even a fraction as good as they say it is then its revolutionary
misty owl
Is 4.25 the last release for UE4?
lime bough
For artists like me
cedar plover
@forest tree Thank you
violet frost
@fervent nacelle raytracing still is way too heavy on performance. if it is scaleable then it might be good but a full pass on every frame just isnt something you can get 120 fps with i think.
grim ore
4.26 is scheduled for UE4, its on the git
fervent nacelle
@misty owl sounds like it
misty owl
Right on
fervent nacelle
@violet frost then dont use it, you dont need to get photorealism
misty owl
This is so exciting!
golden condor
Wow
plush yew
Lets take for a moment to look at a gfx card and how many polys a second it can compute. a 2080ti RTX can do Pixel (GP/s) 118.8
So if a triangle is on average the size of a pixel we can assume 118.8 for triangles no ?
safe rose
4.26 might be the last one
golden condor
What amazing news to wake up to
floral bear
I like how you can make RT shadows look razer sharp like stencil shadows, which is actually extremely nice for NPR visuals.
safe rose
if not, 4.27 definitely will be
violet frost
i was hyped about the dynamic lighting for procedural VR levels though @fervent nacelle
golden condor
UE5
misty owl
Also... that live-edge Epic Games sign in the first few seconds of the video is so dope...
safe rose
That's too many engineers having to worry about obsolete engine
misty owl
Love the use of negative space in that signage
dark depot
It's not out till next year we will still get ue4 updates hahah
plush yew
i think Lumen is going to be RTX only
lime bough
Imagine not having to optimize meshes. That's the worst part of modeling. And the most time consuming
fervent nacelle
@violet frost Oh me to, its going to get easier to do such things. However, its been possible for awhile. IF you know what you're doing
solar agate
Are they going to release the demo btw ?
lime bough
How is this even possible
latent moth
does someone know if 5 will have BP?
lime bough
My mind is racing so fast I'm gonna have a heart attack
fervent nacelle
uhhh, i disagree
dark depot
We know you can upgrade from 4 so it would ki da need bps
misty owl
I'm pretty new, but didn't I see UE4 already has an auto-LOD system? So UE5 will be even better?
plush yew
does someone know if 5 will have BP?
@latent moth no need to worry its an very important part
@lime bough Coffee, Tea, Dedication, Love, and passion are how this is possible.
Maybe a touch of pharmaceuticals too here and there ;]
dusty cypress
Wow
wispy raven
unreal 5?
lime bough
Film quality assets in real time its like a dream come true
wispy raven
neat
dusty cypress
I did not expect that lmao
dark depot
Bone I'm thinking it will be more automatic at runtime
empty plank
UE5... where does the time go...
naive burrow
lol UE5 on PS5? for real?
lime bough
I feel like ue4 just came out yesterday
plush yew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5KtatMcUw I don't know if this has been here yet, but damn these visuals are impressive
dusty cypress
Will it be free?
amber girder
as if we wouldnt know, @maiden swift
naive burrow
UE5 better be better optimized than UE4
pure cliff
Also that new royalties policy
Like dang. The first $1 million waived.
lime bough
It has to be free
flint trench
@flint trench um, sorry, what? any links to that claim?
@next badger Chaos Physics becomes production ready in 4.26 on the roadmap, I guess it depends if you mean "ditch" completely remove from engine
fervent nacelle
@plush yew found it, I hate finding my own videos on youtube: https://youtu.be/tP6iuUWHTRQ
lime bough
If I cant use it I'm gonna cry
dusty cypress
^
crisp sleet
@raw rover 
naive burrow
UE4 is crashing like popcorns for me
floral bear
Now I'm wondering. How far could UE5 be pushed while still targeting a good framerate target (60 or even 120)
plush yew
@dusty cypress new royalty agreement
serene birch
indies will be made almost obsolete
or it'll allow indies to do more since they don't need to budget time to shrink down all the 3D models into reasonable poly counts
plush yew
@golden condor I'm not sure if I like the sound of that
I'm only on here because of the UE5 news
random ginkgo
Games are gonna weight like... 486GB
summer loom
UE5!!!
surreal holly
ue5
plush yew
i'm likely to buzz off after this
surreal holly
crazy
plush yew
@fervent nacelle you and me both, I hate yt, if it had a better ui, I'd be a much better yt, im paraboliclabs
thanks for finding it!
tacit girder
UE5 😍
maiden swift
@amber girder As if we wouldn't announce it. 😉
plush yew
wow
verbal bronze
Can I swear? I want to swear
eager flax
It looks amazing ue5
fair horizon
I was litterally watching the demo when this popped up in the #unreal-news ❤️
dusty cypress
Thanks sojimne
amber girder
hehe
naive burrow
So yah hopefully they get optimize UE5 unlike Poor UE4
lime bough
I was honestly just starting to like unity
buoyant meadow
Epic are single-handedly revolutionising the industry
normal parcel
This is black magic
peak veldt
whaTTTT
maiden kindle
HOLY SHIT
surreal holly
Ue4 melts my computer
lime bough
How is unity ever gonna compete this is as good as it gets
round hawk
Yeah
peak veldt
UE5???
maiden kindle
NANITE TECHNOLOGY
peak veldt
this is fake
maiden kindle
WAAAAAAAT
peak veldt
vague sable
A pretty big announcement as well is that they now the royalties are waived for the first $1mil in revenue. It's also retroactive to the start of the year.
🥳
naive burrow
@lime bough Unity is better
plush yew
I have a job interview coming up soon for a Unity developer position but then I saw this UE5 news today
round hawk
Nanite and Lumen
fervent nacelle
@plush yew I;ve been able to optimize significantly further siunce then, but they principals used are the same
naive burrow
actually doesnt require a $5k pc
lime bough
How can you even get better than this
robust viper
It would be weird to make the $1 million announcement and then latter say you have to pay for UE5
rocky radish
How is unity ever gonna compete this is as good as it gets
@lime bough tell that to UE6
peak veldt
still schooner
i want ue 5 now
round hawk
How can you even get better than this
@lime bough You say that, but it usually does get better.
wispy raven
HOOOLY, SO MANY TRIANGLES
normal parcel
gleaming axle
I wonder if we'll get some support for stylized workflows and lighting setups?
rocky radish
i want to make a game with 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 polygons now
still schooner
im gona put myself in a freezer
round hawk
No Normal Maps
still schooner
cya guys
plush yew
Neat
vocal kettle
Ok that tech's insane, but what kind of PC hardware is needed to run a demo like that at that level
thorn violet
Need UE5 now 🙀
pseudo iron
I can't believe how.. incredible the future is here.
wispy raven
we did it, optimization is no more
thorn violet
I mean, a PS5 can run it @vocal kettle
still moat
2021!
lime bough
As soon as I get my hands on it I'm gonna make a scene with a stupid amount of polygons just for shits and giggles
pseudo phoenix
if a ps5 can run it oh my
deep citrus
I'm gonna save for a new PC.
round hawk
RTX 3000 series MASS Production
latent moth
I just hope the process to go from UE4 to UE5 will be smooth, otherwise all the work I'm doing now for a game to be released in 1-2 years is kinda unoptimized.
vocal kettle
@thorn violet I saw the video, I'm asking about the PC requirements though
rocky radish
no more normal maps, no more worries with 5000+ polygons in a model
plush yew
Ps5 is probably like a 2070ti
eager flax
My Brain can´t handle this awesomeness
pseudo phoenix
@deep citrus same
floral bear
@gleaming axle I agree. We need more support for NPR related stuff.
rocky radish
@thorn violet I saw the video, I'm asking about the PC requirements though
@vocal kettle rtx 8080 ti
fervent nacelle
but I like normal maps tho
still moat
Smoother than you can imagine!
ripe zenith
The scene from the demo must be 100Go, just imagine the SSD we will need...The nextgen games will be like 1To ^^
naive burrow
welp guess im gonna have a video as background music for 22 minutes
deep citrus
If that demo was running at 4k/30fps, it could probably also run at 1080p/60fps.
lime bough
@latent moth they said they are developing it so that it's easy to port
normal burrow
Hardware channel cough
random ginkgo
**Nice late April Fool 
, we almost fell for it **
plush yew
@normal burrow 😫
rocky radish
**Nice late April Fool :unreal: , we almost fell for it **
@random ginkgo i did
crisp sleet
UE1:
UE2:
UE3:
UE4:
UE5: 💥 🖥️
gleaming axle
God though UE5 just using Niagara and the like is going to make transitioning over so smooth
oak moss
i can smell burning pc's everywhere
buoyant meadow
nO mOrE nOrMAl mApS!!
lime bough
Its probably just ue4 with a massive overhaul so it will be just as easy to port to ue4 as it is to port from one update to another
naive burrow
Wondering how much ram you're gonna need for UE5 lol
pseudo phoenix
ue5 is like the new microsoft flight sim
vocal kettle
Definitely further explained the Quixel acquisition :D
Damn, what a time to be alive..
eager flax
Guess the nanite thingy works only on static things?
naive burrow
UE4 already requires over 16gb ram, imagine UE5
unkempt delta
INDIE DEVS STAY WINNING
maiden kindle
Yeah, UE5 isn't a complete rewrite like UE4 was
gleaming axle
You can make the entire Half-Life roach AI in Niagara now
rocky radish
UE1: runs easy; UE2:runs easy as well; UE3:low end pcs thank you; UE4: ok....; UE5: whenever you run it your house explodes
misty owl
my 64GB DDR4 is starting to feel inadequate 😟
rocky radish
my 64GB DDR4 is starting to feel inadequate 😟
@misty owl tell that to my 16gb of ram and i3 9100f
fervent nacelle
@eager flax is that right? Then I might have arough idea of how it would wokr if that's the case
naive burrow
lol ue4 is crashing like crazy on my pc with 16gb ram
karmic mason
UE5 - fuck my life 😄
plush yew
@fervent nacelle This is going to be great, dude thank you!
eager flax
@fervent nacelle no idea, just asuming
tacit girder
that demo gave me major Golem psvr vibes
plush yew
i'm here for the lifelike graphics
rocky radish
UE5 gets revealed - my pc: aight imma head out
pallid talon
Now Im going to need a separate 2TB hard drive, just for my 200 gigibyte fbx character files!
oak moss
i just got a "nice" pc last summer and now it's lacking for ue5 lol
fervent nacelle
@plush yew no prbos man good luck @eager flax oh, okay, I thought it was all dynamic
unkempt delta
have you seen bright memory
novel summit
gotta start saving for the new amd threadripper, 2 rtx 3080 ti, and 128gb ram
vocal brook
What's Nanite even is? Is it ultra efficient dynamic downscaling for target hardware?
eager flax
@fervent nacelle thats the big question i´d say
heady moon
wow
deep citrus
*cries in 256GB SSD*
vocal kettle
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang breaks out the GPU needed for UE5 😉
https://youtu.be/So7TNRhIYJ8
iron wadi
@vocal brook triangle streaming, basically just plonk a hipoly mesh instead of baking normal maps
heady moon
@deep citrus you're not alone :/
misty owl
Finally an engine that can accomodate my vision: Pong HD
eager flax
good thing ddr5 is going to be a commercial thing in the next 2-3 years
floral bear
I got an RX 5700, and likely wont upgrade until next-gen consoles release.
I want to wait until next-gen releases, so these midrange GPUs are much cheaper.
still moat
UE5: Epic new features
Small print somewhere probably: "You need to build the engine from source"
rocky radish
casually starts saving money for 4 rtx 3080 ti's and 2 threadripper pc
amber girder
i'll need to save up my days, so i can take a month off work when the early access comes out. hm, easy with corona though
naive burrow
when is UE5 even releasing?
fervent nacelle
I guess the question for me is, the lumen nanite system only for ray-tracing?
idle garden
2021
iron wadi
btw it's literally UE4.26 tho 😄
wispy raven
i'm still seeing the video, it's amazing
iron wadi
just renamed
plush yew
minus the old workflows i hear though
iron wadi
now the UE4.25+ branch makes sense
fervent nacelle
AND will the geo streaming be usable on non-SSDs
wispy raven
it's going to open lots of possibilities
still schooner
its not 4.26
deep citrus
I think we're still getting 4.26. This will probably be the equivalent of 4.27 or 4.28
subtle spoke
UE5 will most likely release at GDC 2021
frail sail
guys slowdown wtf
still schooner
and the lumen gi is not ssgi
rocky radish
i'm gonna ruin ue5 for all of you - LIGHT NEEDS TO BE REBUILT
frail sail
i cant read my message
fervent nacelle
@frail sail UE5
unkempt delta
i have like 5 different SSD's
iron wadi
i think they said 4.25 is last one before UE5 releases in preview
solar agate
The whole point is we don't have to rebuild light anymore tho
fervent nacelle
@frail sail Just got announced
unkempt delta
i have an ssd for UE4 stuff only
wispy raven
that demo reminds me of uncharted
rocky radish
do you guys remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00gAbgBu8R4
@plush yew no
unkempt delta
its like 9 TB
frail sail
i know but so much hyped
misty owl
Palpatine meme: UNLIMITED DETAIL
devout rune
Weren't they saying that the new clouds would be in 4.26?
deep citrus
UE 5 just did that but actually released it
@plush yew But with actual lighting.
rocky radish
UE5 is gonna be 100tb download just keep that in mind
frail sail
need to relax we have 2 year for it
still schooner
clouds are also exist on 4.25
spare zenith
Oh boy, a new UE
rocky radish
Weren't they saying that the new clouds would be in 4.26?
@devout rune yes, its probally gonna release this year and NEXT year ue5 will release
feral mirage
need to relax we have 2 year for it
@frail sail They mentioned sometime in 2021
plush yew
UE5: triangle counts no longer an issue
Quixel: 😳
balmy parrot
WHEN DOES Unreleeal engine 5 release?
wispy raven
my pc is going to implode
oblique sorrel
2021
rocky radish
what i'm saying is ... unlimited detail is now obsolete hahaha
@plush yew unlimited detail, HA tell that to ue5
frail sail
maybe 2021 Q4
silent forum
Thank for making it REAL, Unreal Team! I was always hoping for something like this exact thing.
oblique sorrel
@balmy parrot Preview mid-2021, full release late-2021
plush yew
sometimes with these ridiculous triangle counts I feel bad for my PC
weary hull
I don't think my 1070 will cut it for ue5
spare zenith
Would it be possible to update our projects to UE5 from UE4?
frail sail
who knows
balmy parrot
@balmy parrot Preview mid-2021, full release late-2021
@oblique sorrel cheers
strong fossil
what is unreal engine 5 why from 4 to 5?
heady moon
I don't think my rx 570 will run ue5 :/
outer void
Good lord that video is insanely impressive
weary hull
they say you can
amber girder
if this poly count auto reduction also applies to landscapes.... YES
oblique sorrel
Because it's this big of a shift to warrant a major version bump
spare zenith
Ah good, so my 1060 will scream at me yet
oblique sorrel
Maybe not semver, but still
plush yew
I love how there were certain shots in that video that just wouldn't have been possible before
vernal root
so geomery is now free
eager flax
insert lonely island song
strong fossil
i got so used to saying ue4 though
plush yew
Ive fallen in love with UE5 already
empty plank
my gtx 970: hahaha I'm in danger
plush yew
Practically no more artist limitations? Yes fucking please
misty owl
Considering how far off it is, probably a good idea to plan on finishing your current projects in 4.2X, rather than plan on attempting to transition the project to UE5
weary hull
ps5 can shift a lot cos it has a super fast ssd, most pcs dont
sweet relic
wow no royalties up to $1m
grim ore
@spare zenith from the blog post "Unreal Engine 5 is being designed with forward compatibility in mind, so you can start with next-gen development now in UE 4.25 and move your projects to UE5 when you're ready."
plush yew
like the shot of the hole opening up to shed light on the statues, that would've been impossible before
azure adder
What's Nanite even is? Is it ultra efficient dynamic downscaling for target hardware?
@vocal brook my guess: a mesh shader + instancing system that auto-lods with uvs on the gpu. They'd need an efficient way to trace partial geometries to figure out what detail level that subsection needs
gilded heron
Absolutely fantastic. I'm blown away by that trailer. I cant wait
weary hull
now is a bad time to get a gpu
azure ridge
So all this new cool UE5 stuff, but did they update the UI?
weary hull
im waiting for new cards
spare zenith
Oh nice, @grim ore, now I can have my PC scream at me while developing again 😄
misty owl
I really liked that little blue orb light that switched from area illumination to a flashlight effect. Simple, but cool
rocky radish
i'm gonna buy the rtx 3070 just to use ue5 lol
still moat
UNLIMITED POWAAHHH
nova forum
Will it be possible to update projects that used UE4?
spring arch
Any news on physics system?
hybrid scroll
yes]
still moat
yes
rigid belfry
i feel like a kid on christmas
keen stream
is that ue5 a joke? i am legit failing to understand if it's an elaborate troll of if it's actually for real
plush yew
@plush yew funny actually, I was planning on transitioning my game to UE5 and have a "tech demonstration" of how UE5 changes how we do art
misty owl
Think I'm going to ride my current rig until 5 comes out, and just start saving 💰 for a new build when it drops. put a little away each month.
keen stream
it all seems way tooo good to be true
pliant beacon
It's definitely legit
plush yew
They optimized polys of her face though
pliant beacon
But tech demos are not games
plush yew
I am starting work on extremely high poly assets next week for this
winter gale
@keen stream its literally real
keen stream
tech demoes but it's still realtime
plush yew
It's a great environment piece with that performance
We already have our clonetroopers made from a while back
keen stream
what the actual f...
pliant beacon
Yep, but there's not a lot of stuff going on under the hood - the focus is on the graphics 🙂
plush yew
57 million polygons
stable ridge
@azure ridge still better than Unity :p
keen stream
UnItY Is StiLL BeTterR
weak hemlock
Well this is how I felt about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4vYJEWrHso
plush yew
We dont actually have that character artist anymore :(( but we plan on trying out these EXTREMELY high poly assets when the preview comes out in 2021
fervent nacelle
After watching the video about the method, it does seem like the geo streaming is precalulated
so probably still need character optimization
lucid magnet
anyone who can teach how to detect if a key is being held down, or just pressed?
grim ore
we still have atleast 7 months until 2021 to even worry about 5 coming out, no reason to panic now
heady moon
anyone who still says that an engine/programming language is better than the other needs to start learning programming again
digital badger
What is the general consensus regarding this "no Tri budgets claim". Is it going to be an actual thing that everyone uses? Or will be unscalable?
still moat
@plush yew Hold up aren't you that Luke Landwalker who works on the battlefront game ?
plush yew
I'm literally dying at Euclidean. I remember. Pepperidge farm remembers too.
They used the same exact technology used in polygonal instancing used now. just a slight difference that, it was essentially point cloud voxels
silk lintel
UE5!!?? WTF!!!
dense gorge
UE5 BROOO
azure ridge
@stable ridge actually, Unity's new UI looks pretty nice. But I switched to Unreal for the features not the UI. Just wish they'd update their UI to not look so bad
dense gorge
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
warped tangle
Jesus people lol....
fervent nacelle
@plush yew I'd said its similar to voxelization but I guess that works too
floral bane
If unreal can now work at 100 my pc works at .1..
Should i be happy or cry because of the update 😟😂
snow jungle
OH MY GOOOD
plush yew
@fervent nacelle 🤷
hexed dagger
plush yew
regarding the UI i do think it's alright for me still - makes me vaguely nostalgic. most i wish for is kind of a different font though since i don't really like 2011 roboto
weary hull
i wonder if we'll get to 4.30 before 5 is out
rocky radish
me thinking ue5 was an april fools joke
plush yew
at least ue4 has supported hidpi displays long before unity has
snow jungle
i thought ID software had gone really far with their new rendering technique
ue5 is AMAZING
silk lintel
2021 so....
plush yew
Wow, peeps, you've done some amazing work!
silk lintel
yeah, props to epic games
grim ore
@weary hull with 2-3 releases a year and 5 coming in 2021 I would assume no
nova shoal
No LOD's?!!?