ue4-general

[sleek spear]

to test improvments in ray tracing

what does push it a bit around mean?

[static viper]

well then activate raytracing :3

[sleek spear]

it is activated

but something lights the scene as well

[static viper]

its your directional light not throwing shadows.

[plush yew]

@sudden agate what weights should i set it to?

[static viper]

that is a monster of a human XD

[plush yew]

How do I get rid of the grid?

[static viper]

and for some reason your t pose is in the animation

[sudden agate]

@plush yew build lighting

[plush yew]

Mhm how

[static viper]

or use dynamic light

[plush yew]

Should i set the weights to 1 stength 1?

[sleek spear]

@sudden agate if i build lighting its even worse

@static viper if i remove every light source, the object is still lit but without shadows

i want it to be completely black

[static viper]

thats a sign that light is baked

if you want completly black you need to use

force no precompute

[plush yew]

I just want average lighting tho

[static viper]

you can set all your light sources to movable

[sleek spear]

its all movable

[grim ore]

I wonder if they could change the lighting needs to be rebuilt to be sparkly rainbows and flash and play a sound so people wouldn't just ignore it lol

[static viper]

i am talking to literally 300 people at once

do you want me to use tags

[plush yew]

How do I set all my light sources to movable?

[static viper]

you click it

[plush yew]

Where's the light source

[static viper]

i am not gonna answer this

[grim ore]

@plush yew type in light in the top right of your world outliner, in the search bar, and that should show you any lights you have. go thru each one and find the movability type and change to movable. Alternately you can read the giant red message in the top left and build your lighting.

[plush yew]

Woah that fixed it

Thanks

[restive blaze]

Hey guys, so I am trying to make a teleporter. I am doing it through C++(I am not using blueprints speicifically to boost my c++ skill). I am using SetActorLocation, and instead of just appearing me in the needed location it accelerates me in the general direction.

How can I make it so that I appear dead on the spot? I tried googling couldnt find the right answer

[plush yew]

How do I make the sun less bright?

[grim ore]

At this point you should start looking thru the documentation and learning materials. You are not going to find people wanting to answer basic questions because you just wanted answers without putting effort into learning

[plush yew]

Fair

[grim ore]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Engine/Rendering/LightingAndShadows/index.html

and to answer the question there is an intensity property on the light that determines how strong it is

https://learn.unrealengine.com/home/dashboard has a few courses actually on lighting as well if videos are wanted 🙂

@restive blaze so we can see the problem, but we can't see your code so it might be pretty hard to just randomly guess. My guess is you are using a lerp to set the location maybe?

[plush yew]

Thanks

[restive blaze]

Sorry My bad, https://pastebin.com/qTt0YPaD

here is the function that does this

I even put exact coordinates

[grim ore]

that's a weird one

[restive blaze]

hm? My coding or?

[grim ore]

the ? , the coding seems fine

[restive blaze]

Oh, thank you.

[grim ore]

and it seems like it's calling this code, I see the debug message on screen. Have you try shutting down the editor and restarting it just to be safe?

[restive blaze]

Alright, will do

Nope still does it

[grim ore]

man I wish I had an idea but this looks right

[restive blaze]

😦 Yeah I just double checked by commenting out the line and it doesnt teleport(as it should) so this is correct

Read the documentation supposed to just move me there across it all

[grim ore]

so my thought would be to print out the player location on tick just to see if it's actually moving over time or if it's a weird visual thing

like maybe it's just the camera lagging and the player is moving

[restive blaze]

Thank you, I will try it out

Alright so, I moved my destination in front of a blocker

I get stopped by the blocker

So instead of SETTING my location I get MOVED by this command, also its not just camera, this is being blocked by my pawn

I need to some reading

thank you for helping

[grim ore]

yep it should be setting it not moving it even in the code

so it makes me feel like your are moving "part" of it then the rest of it is following for some reason

which makes nooo sense based on your debug

[restive blaze]

Yeah actually it looks like it is correct behavior

I think this is what I need to use

[grim ore]

not really, that would move is +/- X/Y/Z and not to the fixed position. the code in the back end is still the same

set actor location is correct, something is just going weird

[restive blaze]

Alright

[grim ore]

you could debug it, put a cube in the word or spawn one in in front of you

wait a second or 2 then use set actor location on it and see if it does what you expect

[restive blaze]

Okay, thanks

[grim ore]

i bet it works fine, something is odd with your BP maybe? checking this would atleast let you know if the code works as expected and it's your bp that is moving weird

[restive blaze]

My SetActorLocation returns false

I just added a check

[plush yew]

How long should "Cooking for Windows" normally take?

[grim ore]

1 second to 10 years depending on your PC and contents

look at the output log and see what it is doing

[plush yew]

I clicked on "Show Output Log" and it froze

[grim ore]

it might be cooking some stuff, might just wait it out till it comes back

[plush yew]

Is this good?

[amber girder]

doesnt look that good

[grim ore]

nope doesn't look good at all lol

[static viper]

its not bad either

[plush yew]

What should it look like?

[static viper]

it shouldnt happen at all

[grim ore]

none of those warnings lol

[amber girder]

nearly no yellow

[static viper]

it should be white knight

clean

[plush yew]

Uh oh

[static viper]

and

what do you have todo with mordhau??

[plush yew]

I'm making a map for Mordhau

[static viper]

explain

[grim ore]

might have had a map for example that had all this stuff in it and then all of those items were removed, or the opposite but stuff is missing

[plush yew]

I'm going to mod in a map for Mordhau with no experience in any of this basically

[grim ore]

or it could be file path length related, your path seems pretty long for some of those files

[plush yew]

How do I fix those problems?

[grim ore]

well look for those files in your file browser on the disk, like it says Mordhau/Maps/DuelCamp/MergedActors/SM_MERGED_TownCar11.uasset is missing

see if that file is there or missing

find the files, if they are there you might have a long file path issue so move the project to a root directory if possible. If the file is missing, you need to find your files

or remove the references to the files I guess 🙂

[plush yew]

What if I just don't cook it?

Like leave it as it is

[grim ore]

then you probably can't package it really well

[plush yew]

Is that all cooking does? Make it easier to package

[static viper]

i dont understand tho XD

mordhau doesnt have modsupport

[plush yew]

You're right

[static viper]

then how do you got these files

XD

[grim ore]

Unreal Engine stores content assets in particular formats which it uses internally, such as PNG for texture data or WAV for audio. However, this content needs to be converted to different formats for the various platforms, either because the platform uses a proprietary format, does not support the format Unreal uses to store the asset, or a more memory- or performance-effective format exists. The process of converting content from the internal format to the platform-specific format is referred to as cooking.

[static viper]

oh so thats official

[grim ore]

might want to nuke the invite, the mods here will nuke it.

[plush yew]

There aren't modding tools (yet) but the devs are aware that there's modding

[static viper]

the best would be then to join that discord

bc

we cant give support on this

[plush yew]

Just wanted support with the unreal engine

You guys were super helpful

[inner cloak]

I seem to be unable to open 2 projects, each in its own instance of UE4 with 4.22 ... is this normal ?

[static viper]

if they are the same then no

but you can have multiple different projects open with the same version

i do that regular

[inner cloak]

i am trying to open both with the same version of UE4

[static viper]

both what

[inner cloak]

2 projects

[static viper]

and what version

[inner cloak]

both are 4.22.3

[static viper]

never occured to me with versions before 22

never tried on 22 tho

could be a new thing

[inner cloak]

ok, guess i'll have to deal with that .. thanks

[amber girder]

epic.... void GetInstancesToSpawn(TArray<FProceduralFoliageInstance>& OutInstances, const FVector& Min = FVector(-FLT_MAX, -FLT_MAX, -FLT_MAX), const FVector& Max = FVector(FLT_MAX, FLT_MAX, FLT_MAX) ) const; is not implemented 😩

[manic pawn]

✅

[amber girder]

now i have to create a spawner for each of my tiles...

[sacred smelt]

Hi, I have small question. How can I build movement like in this video? I know that this is tour based but I dont know how can I split map on square and do next step. Anyone can give me an advice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=nKNhyPGNmfY

[wary wave]

round all your coordinates when doing anything to the nearest X

congrats, you now work on a grid

[light coyote]

nice tip @wary wave ,, i did not think it could be that simple elegant solution xD

you have to round Y aswell right ?

[wary wave]

square?

well, yes

X isn't your 'x coordinate'

it's a value

[light coyote]

edited it XD ,, myy bad

what do you mean ?

ahhhhh

fuck

had to read it like 3 times,,, omg

anyway, that idea could be used in many things i gess

tip of the day

[grim ore]

There is a 2d grid macro and another grid thingy in the engine to help you get/create/round co ordinates fyi

like one that you put in a value and the grid size and it tells you the nearest point

[light coyote]

nicee

[little dawn]

does anyone have any good dynamic crosshairs for free i could get#

[vernal relic]

Who can help me with my atmosphere?

[light coyote]

@vernal relic What are you intending to do ?

I like sapcey stuff

@little dawn You should find something on google

[idle garden]

I'm getting one error with the puglin "Advanced Sessions" when packaged

someone can help me?

[light coyote]

send error, maybe someone can

log image

[idle garden]

UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)):   ERROR: Missing precompiled manifest for 'AdvancedSessions'. This module was most likely not flagged for being included in a precompiled build - set 'PrecompileForTargets = PrecompileTargetsType.Any;' in AdvancedSessions.build.cs to override.
PackagingResults: Error: Missing precompiled manifest for 'AdvancedSessions'. This module was most likely not flagged for being included in a precompiled build - set 'PrecompileForTargets = PrecompileTargetsType.Any;' in AdvancedSessions.build.cs to override.
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): ERROR: UnrealBuildTool failed. See log for more details. (C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Unreal Engine\AutomationTool\Logs\C+Program+Files+Epic+Games+UE_4.22\UBT-MyProject-Win64-Development.txt)
PackagingResults: Error: UnrealBuildTool failed. See log for more details. (C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Unreal Engine\AutomationTool\Logs\C+Program+Files+Epic+Games+UE_4.22\UBT-MyProject-Win64-Development.txt)
PackagingResults: Error: Unknown Error```

[grim ore]

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/890837/view.html

[idle garden]

didnt worked

[grim ore]

what modules do you have listed in your .uproject? and is the plugin in your project or the engine

[idle garden]

the engine

now in both

enabled

[grim ore]

so no other modules or anything else in there? same with your .cs I guess

something else is failing somewhere 😦

[idle garden]

yes.. somewhere

I'll check again

[plush yew]

how can I create texture on floor with squares? i try do this alone and google it but im suck with materials :<

[grim ore]

show an example?

[idle garden]

I solved my problem ^^

tks

[grim ore]

or more info. It sounds like you just want a texture on your mesh which seems like just putting a texture in a material and putting it on the mesh

what was the problem @idle garden

[plush yew]

@grim ore i try split this material
https://gyazo.com/976e0d62d2b430956c1ab01ed00a6ac2

[grim ore]

well world position offset is not going to tile a material, that will make it looks like it's somewhere else (like making it bumpy)

what are you trying to do?

there are textures in the engine, if you turn on show engine content when looking for a texture, that are tiles/grids

and I meant what was the solution to you @idle garden lol

[plush yew]

I try make simple grids on floor

[idle garden]

@grim ore i dont have sure.. but I put the plugin inside the engine folder and project folder

and I have it like "puglin"

And the name it's "Plugin"

[placid arrow]

am i right to assume that modern versions of unreal engine will automatically instance identical static meshes in your level that only vary by their transform?

i was using 4.14 until recently and i had to actually make an 'instanced static mesh' and drag out transforms

[grim ore]

@@plush yew https://i.imgur.com/V5ZNPGn.png it's just a texture (DefaultWhiteGrid) which you can find in the engine (enable engine content) hooked up to the base color on a material

[placid arrow]

now it seems thats no longer an option in 4.22 and it has the word (Instance) after a mesh

[grim ore]

you can still use instanced static meshes in later versions but by default 4.22 and above will try and batch together instances of static meshes when it can yes

[placid arrow]

nice, thanks @grim ore 🙂

[grim ore]

you just might not have seen the (instance) indicator in earlier versions but stuff you put in the world are instances from the base class by default

[placid arrow]

im currently placing a ton of the same mesh in a level, my first thought was to look for instanced static mesh, but when i couldnt find it, it led me to this result, which is awesome

one less thing to think about

[grim ore]

it's a feature in progress still but it does seem to work

[plush yew]

@grim ore oh thanks 😮 but why my material is only white?
https://gyazo.com/ae6a1d603086e09f07ddb6727d7041cd

[grim ore]

because you are looking at a sphere and can only see 1 section, click the cube icon on the bottom below the sphere

[plush yew]

okey, now i need rebuild scene? 🤔

[dim plover]

What was the function that allows you to truncate a float to a specified number of decimal places?
Found it. FText::AsNumber. Which is surpsingly strange to use.

[hoary silo]

how do you enable the fracture editor in 4.23

[tawdry sierra]

I got some questions. What are flow maps? I use the heightmap to vreate the landscape but there are some additional textures like flow maps aswell. What do they do? And how i can use them?

[inner cloak]

Is it possible to rig an object with a skeletal mesh directly from UE4 or do i need to use blender for that ?

[tall pendant]

flowmaps distort the image with motion vectors

good for fluids, smoke etc

[little dawn]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SEND ME A DM OF A CROSSHAIR FOR UNREAL 4

lol sos caps

[grim ore]

@inner cloak unless you use a plugin you cannot rig inside the engine, blender would have to be used. You can animate with a rig but cannot rig itself

[inner cloak]

Thanks @grim ore

a DM ?

[grim ore]

Direct Message

[inner cloak]

oh ok lol .. can't you find one on the web ?

if im not crazy, a crosshair is just an image with transparency, no ?

[little dawn]

yes it is but i cant find any that work

i have no photoshop

and all other immages either arent transparent or just arent avalible to use in unreal

[grim ore]

https://youtu.be/5Dx57AXWyIg

[little dawn]

the dynamic crosshair doesnt work anymore

thats the project im doing

[grim ore]

so it needs to be fixed and you can't fix it or it's missing and you can't find it ?

[tawdry sierra]

@grim ore i got a quick question

How can i increase the shadow rendering distance for foliages?

[inner cloak]

there is a free pack with crosshairs on the market : https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/community-content-tools-and-tutorials/89662-free-crosshair-pack

[grim ore]

@little dawn I just downloaded the asset to test it out and it works fine here

@tawdry sierra I don't know how to do that, I don't work with foliage 😦

[little dawn]

cheers dude ur a god

[tawdry sierra]

😦 alright, thanks for the reply

[little dawn]

@grim ore hey the link u sent me worked but all the crosshairs are not transparent. how to i make them transparent

[silent frost]

Evening all. Just wondering whether there's a good place in here to find marketing advice etc? Or is this not really kinda place?

[little dawn]

not really the place sos dude

[tawdry sierra]

How can i apply a heatmap into a texture?

[grim ore]

@tawdry sierra I was looking at shadow rendering distance for foliage, what is the issue? I am guessing you want to be able to see the shadows from farther away?

[little dawn]

do you guys like my player model. LOL its missing an abdomen

[bitter iris]

is there any indications to why when i try run a dedicated from editor its black>?

[fast finch]

@little dawn its not missing anything, its perfect the way it is

[little dawn]

Can anyone send me any kind of crosshair that is transparent. At this point i dont care what the crosshair is as long as it is transparent

[coral shoal]

Download krita or inkscape and spend the 2s drawing a circle

But it sounds like your problem is more a material thing

[tawdry sierra]

@grim ore yes, sadly shadows fake quite early

[little dawn]

will it be transparent @coral shoal

[grim ore]

@tawdry sierra could you post a screenshot? shadows are suuuuuper far for what I was testing (tree from the content examples) so I am curious what it might be. Default settings seem to be very far before imposters kick in

[fast finch]

@little dawn kenny has like 200 crosshairs

[tawdry sierra]

are you sure that they are foliage types?

[little dawn]

kenny?

[fast finch]

He is a well known 2D art maker

that makes shit for free

[grim ore]

I pulled them from the content examples, they are static meshes added in to the foliage section of the modes panel and being painted using the foliage paint option

[tawdry sierra]

alright im recording a gif rn

[bitter iris]

https://gyazo.com/b08be59d75cd64f45ceda25c7b40ed2e

trying to run dedicated but just black 😦 sad times

[tawdry sierra]

@grim ore

i have tried almost everything

all settings are a t maximum

[still island]

Hi! I began creating tutorial videos about basics in C++. We will be complicating it over time, and at some point we will use our skills inside Unreal Engine! Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1iqRRr3WbU&feature=youtu.be

[grim ore]

@tawdry sierra what is your scalability setting at for shadows? Settings -> engine scalability -> shadows

[tawdry sierra]

i cant seem to find that setting

@grim ore

[grim ore]

in the main window, the settings button on the main toolbar at the top

[tawdry sierra]

oh sorry i was look at the project settings

its all set to cinematic

[grim ore]

ok so the next question then is where did the trees come from and what are the LOD settings? that seems to be fading to another lod or imposter really quickly

like everything in there seems to be unless this is all super tiny stuff which it doesnt seem to be. it;s like your on low settings

[tawdry sierra]

@grim ore They are really high quality actually. All of em have 4 LODs

and the last LODs pretty high res

[grim ore]

so in the static mesh editor, for the lods other than 0, do they have cast shadow set in the lod section?

[tawdry sierra]

yes, in all LODs they cast shadows

[grim ore]

😦

[tawdry sierra]

can i send you one of the tree assets so that you can check it out?

[grim ore]

ok so in the light sources you are using, directional light I would assume, what are your Cascaded Shadow Maps settings?

the tree is in the content examples you can get from the learn tab

[grim ore]

but i dont think the issue is with the mesh if you are seeing cast shadows on all of them

[bitter iris]

youve generated LODs

shadows are visible at LOD0 it looks, how many other LODs you got?

Check "Custom" on LOD Picker

[grim ore]

@bitter iris that was my example, it was disabled on purpose

[bitter iris]

Oh LOL

[tawdry sierra]

there is a setting named

LOD group

it is set to none atm

should i set it to something else

would that work?

well, it didnt

[grim ore]

Man I am out of ideas now @tawdry sierra , I had an issue if the dynamic shadow distance was too low that looked like yours but your distance is maxed. The only thing I could think of is for some reason your world scale is messed up

like a small distance in your view is actually a huge numerical distance which is why it's culling so soon

[tawdry sierra]

but everything is scaled to normal

[grim ore]

but none of this makes sense 😦 have you tried dropping that tree in a new project and seeing what happens

just like a new blank project with default settings, it might point to the cause

this is about the only major thread I could find on it with console commands https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/60734/shadows-fading-out-with-increased-camera-distance.html but your issue is weird 😦

[tawdry sierra]

letme try it in a new level

[grim ore]

you should try a new blank project or new basic template just to eliminate any settings you might have changed as well

[tawdry sierra]

i will

[coral shoal]

@@little dawn create a material, use the cross hair texture as the opacity. You are probably importing transparent images but using them wrong

[bitter iris]

anyone experiencing black screen when starting a dedicated server from editor?

just cant get it to go

[tawdry sierra]

@grim ore Can you demonstrate how far your shadows go?

@grim ore hey, everything just got weirder

i can see some of the trees shadows from very far distances.

the very same tree doesnt give the same shadows

and some of the trees have far shadows some dont

[midnight sparrow]

any idea whats multi-view?
I read on forum that if i disable it and enable Mobile HDR i would be able to regulate exposure compensation for android.

[next badger]

@midnight sparrow https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Platforms/VR/DevelopVR/VRPerformance/index.html#vrmultiviewsupportformobile

[midnight sparrow]

Yea i found this also after a while, so its just about performance

Also, thanks :]

[next badger]

in VR on mobile performance is a main issue

[midnight sparrow]

Performance seems to be pretty similiar in " ctrl + shift + ," when i hit preview. So we will see 😄

[next badger]

"Currently, Mobile Multiview will only work with modern Mali-based GPU's. " it was written during 4.17 epoch, so...could changed

[cloud palm]

anyone know if I can change the default color of the draw line 2D node?
The default color is white and I want to change it and maybe even apply a texture to it

@grim ore Do u know if it is possible for me to change the default color of the draw line 2D node

The default color is white and I want to change it

[grim ore]

in a material? if so you would use another node to add/multiply against it and the result would be that color where the white is

I want to say multiply is the correct answer

[cloud palm]

yup in a material

so I add a multiply after the UV coordinate

[tawdry sierra]

@grim ore can you look into this?

[next badger]

@cloud palm this one?

[cloud palm]

yes

[next badger]

it's a mask generator

[cloud palm]

Is it possible to change the color?

[next badger]

BW, you may LERP it

[cloud palm]

let me try

[next badger]

it's a material function, you can always double click it and see how it works

[cloud palm]

kk

@next badger it create something like this

there is a border that around the line, but the color is still white

[next badger]

sorry, w/o a graph i can't say anything

[cloud palm]

@next badger I got it working thx so much dude

[bitter iris]

erm

got a huge problem :/

i just noticed this as i load dedicated, all my world outliner goes invisible https://gyazo.com/1b99542a69c6901999126aee9464fb85

can anyone help

[next badger]

@bitter iris

in your case when you starting a level it becomes Untitled

[bitter iris]

what is meant to be ticked here

cause everything isnt ticked on projects that work on dedi

[next badger]

if everything is unticked then your dedicated server is empty

[bitter iris]

mine shows the same

shall i choose server like you have?

[next badger]

you may, i think it does it on Auto

[bitter iris]

i have it on auto

an nothing works

[storm burrow]

So do we know when 4.23 will launch?

[next badger]

sorry but your viewport is black

it may be that you just have nothing in the world

[bitter iris]

i do

an in the above gif you can clearly see a world also

[next badger]

And? it may be not your start map

[bitter iris]

it is my start map

[next badger]

those are defaults

[bitter iris]

no

[next badger]

map may be set by game mode

default = when no map is set by other means

and since your outliner says it's Untitled - i assume it is

[lament hatch]

hello , so my starter content and template are missing even though it says theyre installed to engine . should i re-install

[next badger]

@lament hatch open the folder of your engine

if they're not there:

[lament hatch]

not there

but its checked

[next badger]

@lament hatch you may select verify then

it will check if it's all in place and download the missing parts

[lament hatch]

alright , thanks !

[cloud palm]

what is the city engine for?

[manic pawn]

so since we get an insights stream this thursday, that means 4.23 will release before then, right?

otherwise it would be a little pointless

[sleek spear]

still no way of rough translucency in ray tracing? i thought they added that in 4.23 am i doing something wrong?

[grim ore]

we had a chaos stream last week so I doubt we need 4.23 for insights

[broken parrot]

Is there a solid workflow to merge a bunch of static meshes in one build and keep them separate in another

Sort of like how you can export images with layers without needing to distribute the layers

[placid arrow]

hi all

a few days ago, i was discussing how to solve the problem of having built my city out of foliage instances.

so ive solved the problem, i ended up building an imposter version of the level, extremely light, that weighs in at a couple of thousand verticies

its impossible to tell that it's not the real thing at the kind of distances its viewed at, and when you get close that level is unloaded and the real one loaded

[grim ore]

you can combine static meshes into a blueprint but I dont think it retains the original ( i dont remember )

[serene sorrel]

think i might pick up a 2080 to play with those raytracing features a bit, seems like a good way to have proper GI , at least eventually

[grim ore]

look into the 2070 super

[serene sorrel]

yeah, isnt the 2080 super supposed to be coming out soon though?

[grim ore]

it's out as well. check on reviews/specs/performance and cost ratio tho

[serene sorrel]

Im waiting for the 3900x to come in stock, or the 3950x to be released for the cpu side of my next dev machine

oh its already out

[grim ore]

for the value the 2070super is the one to get unless cost matters not lol

[serene sorrel]

what do you have?

[grim ore]

went from a 1080 to 2070s over the weekend and a nice little bump in games (~20%) and i can actually do DXR stuff without 3fps

[serene sorrel]

i was going to get an AMD 5700xt because i dont really like nvidia, but to try out ray tracing theres no real options right now except nvidia

[grim ore]

it still chonks when trying to go heavy on the DXR stuff tho but nothing can really handle it well right now

[serene sorrel]

yeah, whats 'heavy' btw?

an open world GI scene?

[grim ore]

possibly. It's mainly how many bounces like cranking it past 3

GI didn't seem to have a big hit but I didn't have a good test scene just the default VR one in the engine

[serene sorrel]

raytracing is going to be a big game changer for indies i think, because the big teams have the art budget to do the static hacks to make stuff look good

[grim ore]

waiting for an official Epic Raytracting sample at some point but even then... probably 24fps at 2080ti levels

[serene sorrel]

when raytracing is mainstream the lighting will just look good

[grim ore]

yep just gonna be a few years for that

like.. 10 lol

[serene sorrel]

yeah GI examples ive seen sometimes its hard to really "care" about the difference between the two, but its more about "ease of use"

10 you think?

[grim ore]

112fps -> 40fps is my hit for turning on RT GI in the sample template VR map

[serene sorrel]

i guess we will have to wait and see what these consoles do with it, cos that will be the mainstream RT support for 5 years probably

wow yeah

[grim ore]

check out the current average GPU https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam and extrapolate from that

[serene sorrel]

well for what im working on, i was just going to have the RT version as an option

i think there is a small niche there to target people who bought the expensive cards and have nothing to use it on 😛

[grim ore]

yep going to have to for a while, DLSS and DXR are nice to haves if you can support it but it's gonna be a generation or 2 until we get $150 DXR worthy GPU's

and $150 bucks is the average for most people at the high end even heh

[serene sorrel]

probably 3 for that yeah haha

i just hope the next generation is at least 4 times faster than this one at RT

probably lucky to get 2x

[grim ore]

well 1080 to 2080 was only like 25% sooooooooooooo

heh

[serene sorrel]

i just mean on the RT side, not total performance

the RT side needs huge leaps if its to be actually usable without hacks

new alg's can also give you those kinda leaps

AMDs approach is apparently some hybrid thing

gives me the impression AMD's version will be sub optimal

The 2080ti has double the tensor cores of the 2070 super

but in quake 2 rtx that results in only 50% increase in fps, interesting

[steady fractal]

trying to get help with nDisplay setup, hard to find any anywhere :\

[icy mulch]

Does anyone have the kite demo Landscape. Material I can you pplease

[grim ore]

are you trying to get the material or help with it?

[plush yew]

Hey everyone. I don't have unreal engine but I'm looking for help converting a UASSET to FBX

Does anyone know if there's a way I can open this file without needing to download the whole engine?

I guess the engine is only like 15gb. For some reason I thought it was upwards of 70gb. I'll just download it.

[noble barn]

Whenever I start an Unreal Project Browser and Unreal Editor it opens SteamVR

Does anyone know how to stop it from doing that?

[halcyon flame]

does anyone know when 4.22.4 will be released? where do you go to monitor this type of thing?

[round sorrel]

Hello, does anybody have recommdations on how which OS to use while creating a dedicated server for UE4?

I'm trying to convert my OLD pc, 2.58gh dual processor, 4GB of Ram

is it even good enough?

[grim ore]

@noble barn uninstall steamvr or open the project, go to plugins, and disable steamvr

[noble barn]

I already disabled the plugin and I use steamvr often, I guess I'll give it a go anyway

[grim ore]

@halcyon flame there is no way to monitor it beyond looking at the github commits for mentions of .4 or a tag for it. As of now the next release should be 4.23.0

[halcyon flame]

@grim ore thanks

[grim ore]

@round sorrel there is no way to tell you if it is good enough or not. You can look at the min specs for the engine and ignore the GPU basically. if you are doing light work, maybe processing some data around like transforms, then you might be ok. for the OS Windows 7 or 10 would be the safest choices with 10 having more lifetime assuming the CPU is supported and not EOL

[round sorrel]

@grim ore Oh, so if I ran a game on it, it could only handle stuff moving around? lol. Just to clarify I'm not running UE4 on it, just like perforce and hosting for game testing.

[safe swallow]

ya that should get you by for some multi player testing... though dont expect to get a lot of people on that dual proc

[round sorrel]

how about like 6 - 12?

is there like some sort of like multiplayer calculator or formula?

that i could use to check against my computer?

[safe swallow]

now you are getting sticky cause how big is your levels, whats in them... all this will play a laggy role

[round sorrel]

ahhh, small level like arena type game

[safe swallow]

myabe 4-6

try it

[round sorrel]

Ahh i see ok

ok well i guess that isn't absolutely terrible lol

[safe swallow]

if you can host a conan dedicated server... you can host anything unreal 🙂

[round sorrel]

Lol, i doubt i can host a conan dedicated

[safe swallow]

take a week to install it anyways lol

in my experience linux dedicated servers are generally superior...

[grim ore]

@round sorrel oh well a dedicated server is UE4 it's just headless so no GPU use. you still have all the CPU use associated with it

[safe swallow]

though I couldnt begin to tell you how to set up a dedicated server package with ue4 .. im just looking into that stuff currently

[grim ore]

lots of crying if you don't read and follow directions well 😉

[safe swallow]

if I can learn to build iPhone apps, I can learn anything lol

[grim ore]

iPhone apps are cakey wakey especially now

Apple has real documentation, Epic changes stuff like dedicated server config files and doesn't tell you lol

[safe swallow]

Epic changes stuff way less then iOS

Xcode was real fun learning while they were implimenting the big changes

[round sorrel]

Ahh I see, well shit thanks guys

I got a lot of work ahead of me it seems lol

[safe swallow]

lol

[round sorrel]

shit is it even worth converting this old computer.... lol

thats the real question or should i drop some cash on one that can actually handle like 12 people.

[grim ore]

you won't know till you try and at the worst it can help you optimize your code as you develop

look at it as a learning challenge

[safe swallow]

that wouldnt happen to be like a 780 mobo in that box?

[serene sorrel]

anyone here done any XML loading in Unreal engine for run time stuff

[safe swallow]

some of those older mobos, can take xeon processors

[broken parrot]

@grim ore two things. If it runs without gpu wouldn't that effect the performance of some calculations. Two I will fight you on this video since you are totally right about beginners, but we have design patterns for a reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKMWf397QHg

[safe swallow]

whats a library book ? 🤔

[grim ore]

🙂

and yep I hope that when people get beyond the point of learning the basics they will already understand the need for some form of pattern in their systems

[runic narwhal]

@plush yew talent

[plush yew]

@runic narwhal, You do not have permission to use the talent command.

[safe swallow]

heh , it wasnt so long ago, I just read the basics... dang , did it fill in a lot of unanswered questions

[grim ore]

and nothing in the engine for a dedicated server should be GPU bound on purpose due to the way Epic designed it

[safe swallow]

they said that about bitcoin mining too

[grim ore]

like i hope you wouldn't spawn a particle effect on the server lol

[broken parrot]

Only the most amazing of tensorflow offloading

[serene sorrel]

@grim ore what about dynamic lighting affecting growth of plants, like in Rust

if thats not calculated on server it could be hacked

[grim ore]

are rust servers headless dedicated or listen types?

[serene sorrel]

dedicated yeah

but maybe they dont actually do dynamic light testing for that feature, or its somehow precalculated, not sure

[grim ore]

it's a good question but that doesnt mean it uses the rendering system to calculate that

[serene sorrel]

i wondered about it

[grim ore]

no reason its not just math based on positions

[serene sorrel]

but dynamic buildings seem to affect it

[grim ore]

still math?

[serene sorrel]

yeah maybe

[grim ore]

linetrace from light source to target, look for intersecting objects

[broken parrot]

Ray trace?

[runic narwhal]

@plush yew lft

[plush yew]

@runic narwhal, You do not have permission to use the talent command.

[serene sorrel]

its quite performant since there are thousands of plants on the server at any one time

[grim ore]

like the actual question is in UE4 for shadows are they calculated on the CPU or GPU?

[runic narwhal]

How does one get access post in #looking-for-talent ?

[serene sorrel]

gpu right?

[grim ore]

I dunno actually lol

I am so not an art guy

[serene sorrel]

must be, besides the static lighting

[grim ore]

@runic narwhal you need to send him a message, not a mention

[runic narwhal]

oooh, goodness. I'm dumb

Thanks

[grim ore]

lol googling Rust Dynamic Growth System and I get the Language not the game heh

[serene sorrel]

it only updates the plants maybe, once per 30 seconds or 60 seconds, it could do a ray trace i think, provided it has the landscape vertex, then the building system is just rectangles, easy to work out to semi accuracy

but i think trees also affect it

[grim ore]

yep math is super not hard to do at a rough level

and it could even spread it out over multiple seconds then update it all at once

[serene sorrel]

that sounds like good programming practice to avoid hitching

[autumn elbow]

My contribution to today's conversation...

Why are peppers so annoying? (Joke)

[serene sorrel]

Sounds like a good dad joke here

[autumn elbow]

😜

[serene sorrel]

Well dont keep the community hanging

[autumn elbow]

Because they jalapeño business 😂

hahaha... worth the wait?

[serene sorrel]

i dont get it

all up in your business?

[autumn elbow]

all up in your business .. say it out loud ..

[serene sorrel]

maybe i dont say jalapeno with the right slang to make that sound as nice as it should

[autumn elbow]

Hal ap en no business

where ya from?

[serene sorrel]

Australia

[autumn elbow]

coolz... might be an American joke.

Ok... how about this one... ready? It's a good one... universal

[serene sorrel]

I think im ready

[autumn elbow]

How does Harry Potter go down the hill?

[serene sorrel]

On his magic slide

[autumn elbow]

Hahaha nope

Walking....

Naaa... jk...Rolling

[serene sorrel]

Sure to get the kids laughing with these classic Dad Jokes, buy now

[autumn elbow]

😂

[serene sorrel]

that feeling when "Who is harry potter" becomes a thing kids say

[autumn elbow]

that's a sad day.

[serene sorrel]

im old enough that i know of a time before harry potter, thats even sadder

[autumn elbow]

before Harry Potter was Lord of the Rings..

[serene sorrel]

they came out literally same time

[autumn elbow]

How does Gandalf get on the bus?

With a Tolkien ?

😅

[serene sorrel]

Bro stop before you kill the server

[autumn elbow]

LoL

[weary basalt]

@autumn elbow @serene sorrel You guys are way offtopic. Move to #lounge please

[serene sorrel]

So with "Directories to copy" and FPaths::ProjectContentDir you can get some XML (or whatever) files to show up to allow some modding

[serene sorrel]

Its funny reading some of these older posts relating to UE and this sort of custom stuff, how unsatisfied many people were with what was possible at the time. But now at least a lot more is possible

still seems modding is a sour point

[river apex]

Hi everyone!
Im still looking for help on how to solve this issue:
Failed to run init commands on remote server macDev. Output = Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).
If anyone knows anything please talk to me ♥

Also, here's my log
https://pastebin.com/PNxjdX8x

[spark cloak]

Hey, just starting out learning tutorials from youtube so this might be a stupid question. Can i easily start a new project, create a "thing" for my game (a small level, an npc with animation and attacks, my main char with running motion, spells, fighting combat, etc) and then import them easily to a main project later on? My pc is quite bad, so don't wanna deal with lots of stuff right now. Pluss i am hobbyist, but still wanna work on something towards "my game" vs doing stuff i don't care about.

[crystal wind]

Not without prepwork.

[serene sorrel]

@spark cloak yes

just export/import, works well with most stuff

[crystal wind]

Most of us are hobbyists I think. Your best bet I'd assume would be to make a plugin system, and do most of your work in code ideally to help move from engine version to the next.

What he describes kinda works if your in the same engine version

[serene sorrel]

just upgrade project to latest version if its older, but yes generally speaking try to do that in same version

[crystal wind]

Blueprints have a tendency to break between versions.

[serene sorrel]

its pretty easy to move blueprints to different projects, assets, etc

@crystal wind he is mainly talking about making stuff in smaller levels and stuff so his pc isnt bogged down, not really a cross version problem here

[crystal wind]

In that case he could just make a test level in the same project.

[serene sorrel]

@spark cloak you can also disable/hide stuff in the editor to speed it up, multiple ways to improve performance

[spark cloak]

Aka, it works quite good but might experience setbacks with blueprints when new updates and stuff?

[serene sorrel]

youll experience setbacks whenever you update (generally speaking)

but how often are releases anyhow? 6 months? and usually not hard to fix most stuff, only engine bugs between versions are hard to track down

[crystal wind]

I've had to toss several projects when moving engine versions >.>

[spark cloak]

ouch

[crystal wind]

Was a while ago though.

[serene sorrel]

for sure there have been many "big api changing breaks" in the past

[spark cloak]

and yeah i know i can disable things in the editor, but my old ass amd processor still hates when lots of things are happening.

[crystal wind]

I'm running an 8 year old quad from amd 😛

[serene sorrel]

in my opinion, developers should have better PCs than their average install base

so maybe time to upgrade 😛

[crystal wind]

Na

[spark cloak]

Koi which one?

[crystal wind]

If it's is worse than he'll optimize more anyway.

[spark cloak]

Running fx 4100 here^^

[crystal wind]

Let me see

[serene sorrel]

Ryzen 3000 is out

[crystal wind]

^

Large processors like that seem to lag the fuck out when really multitasking and playing say rust

I don't know if people are pushing the cache too hard or what.

[spark cloak]

Yeah, will upgrade at some point. But many games still works ok ish on my pc, and ain't that invested or skilled enough in game dev just yet to justice updating only because of that.

[crystal wind]

AMD A6-360

Honestly you don't need a beefy cpu for most standard games. It's openworld/sandboxy stuff that push the game mechanically that matter when considering the cpu. And even then.

[spark cloak]

*justify

Yeah, and some tycoon games with lots of units. Cities Skylines is a bitch for my pc

[crystal wind]

That game isn't very optimized >.>

[spark cloak]

Now that is also a thing

[crystal wind]

It's scope is big but it's code isn't up to scruff.

[spark cloak]

Hoping to wait a couple of gens more so 4k is viable with 120hz+

[crystal wind]

Oh one thing to help, you can set your fps in ue4 to something lower to help the pressure a bit.

I like mine at 24

Since to my eyes anything higher makes 0 difference.

It by default blasts it as high as possible.

You can also reduce shadowing details which help a lot if your gpu bottlenecked. Dynamic lights/shadows/reflections/transparency all hit the gpu hard.

[sick patio]

do I ask questions here?

[spark cloak]

GPU works ok, 960. My CPU is the main problem here

[serene sorrel]

@crystal wind you cant tell higher than 24fps?

[crystal wind]

Nope

[serene sorrel]

hmm interesting

[spark cloak]

Are we talking side scrollers or all games?

[crystal wind]

I'm legally blind but I don't think people can really see any higher. Can't really assume though since I don't see as you all do.

To me all

Everything

[serene sorrel]

i can tell difference between 60 and 75 very easily

[spark cloak]

Same

100 and 80 too

[serene sorrel]

i cant between 120 and 144 tho

[crystal wind]

I wonder if there's other reasons for that such as physics or the gpu acting weirdly.

[serene sorrel]

around 100 is hard for me to tell, but yeah its easy below that

[spark cloak]

It also depends on the game tho

[serene sorrel]

I was raised on CRT monitors, 60hz on those was so awful

so i used to run 100+hz on those things back in the day, you had to as a programmer

[spark cloak]

Why did you have to as a programmer?

[serene sorrel]

eye strain

[crystal wind]

@sick patio You can ask stuff here, some other channels may be more useful depending on the subject.

[serene sorrel]

8+ hours looking at low hz CRT monitor is headache inducing 😛

[spark cloak]

Ahh

never had a 60hz CRT

[serene sorrel]

yeah even crap crts did higher hz than 60, usually

wasnt until LCDs arrived that 60 become quite common, but for programming LCD at 60hz is better than pretty much any crt

[crystal wind]

Guess it's a good thing I can't see all that detail.

[serene sorrel]

game wise crts held the throne for a long time, still do in some small ways

[crystal wind]

I miss old crt tv's and screens.

[spark cloak]

Yeah, remember all hardcore games hold onto their crt for the longes time

[serene sorrel]

CRTS had like 120hz refresh rates at SVGA in late 90s, so even if LCDs looked crisper when they hit the scene for high refrash rate gaming there werent many choices

[crystal wind]

I actually liked them for the bulge at the mid, and that they were normally smaller and at a decent dimension. Not wide >.>

Made gaming easier odly.

[serene sorrel]

well LCD's are getting there nearly, still many issues with them but at least you have high refresh rate options these days

[spark cloak]

I miss the 4:3 at times

[serene sorrel]

ive got a 144hz 1440p monitor now, not even expensive

[crystal wind]

That's my favorite dimension right there.

Feels perfect.

[spark cloak]

It can maybe be a bit tricky when you are approaching bigger screen sizes when gaming... but fuck that 16:10 got left behind

[serene sorrel]

for most human eyes a widescreen screen probably fits better to their main focus area

at least with LCD screens and their vertical tilt issues

[spark cloak]

ye

[serene sorrel]

i move my head 5 inches down or up on lcd and it changes appearance

[spark cloak]

but atleast at 24" i like 16:10 more, dunno how i would be on a 27"

[crystal wind]

Ah forgot you all have a wider field of view.

[little dawn]

i have 14 inch moniter

[serene sorrel]

lol

14inch was the standard crt size, so small

[spark cloak]

Are you actually using the 14" ?

[serene sorrel]

im sure he knows how to use every inch

[crystal wind]

A nice vr headset might actually make programming so much easier. I need to get a pair if it's easy to see. So I won't need to keep moving my head around when reading.

[spark cloak]

;))

[serene sorrel]

@crystal wind nah, the screen quality is poor for that, right now

maybe next gen

[crystal wind]

I doubt it matters.

[spark cloak]

And it gets hot

[crystal wind]

It could be 400x300 and still be fine.

[serene sorrel]

for you?

[crystal wind]

Correct.

[serene sorrel]

theres noticeable grid with the best VR right now

[crystal wind]

It can't be worse than an old box tv.

And i'm right up on those things all the time.

[serene sorrel]

and lower coverage than is wanted

[cloud cobalt]

#lounge guys

@sick patio Yes, you can ask questions here

[little dawn]

dude 14" is like not anythingf

[spark cloak]

When we are talking about screen size, how is working with 2 screens with Unreal?

[little dawn]

my entire unreal project has just been deleted

FGUC KKKK

[spark cloak]

What happened @little dawn

[river apex]

shit man how

[little dawn]

no idea

[river apex]

y u no source control

[little dawn]

?

[cloud cobalt]

Are you using source control ?

[river apex]

well, version control in this case

[cloud cobalt]

To revert your changes ?

[serene sorrel]

@spark cloak unreal seems designed for 2 monitors because of the annoying way the "extra" window behaves

so quite well for 2 monitors

[spark cloak]

Sweet, haven't been able to try yet because of tutvids on the other screen.

[serene sorrel]

not really sure why 2 monitors is a thing though, just get an extra wide if you want that, works the same and looks better

[little dawn]

soucre contrtol?

[serene birch]

2 monitors is easily explained

first you have one monitor

[mossy nymph]

extra wide + 2 monitors works even better 😛

[serene birch]

then you buy another

now you have two

[serene sorrel]

theres gpu issues with multiple monitors though, and these days ultra wides are cheap

you buy some 32-35 inch ultrawide, its essentially two smaller monitors

[spark cloak]

What @serene birch said

[serene birch]

still more expensive that buying a new slightly bigger monitor and going "what if I reuse my old one too?"

[serene sorrel]

haha thats true

[crystal wind]

@little dawn Ther eis software you can use to undelete it

If you got an hdd it's even more likely to be safe

[little dawn]

tell me plz

[serene sorrel]

is there an option maybe to change the way unreal editor uses that extra window? how it puts it in focus even when you click on the other window

[crystal wind]

Google it, ideally leave the pc alone (don't turn it off or on) and look this up on your phone.

[cloud cobalt]

Wait a minute before doing all of this

[crystal wind]

There's software to undelete files. It's less likely on an ssd if at all possible though not sure.

[cloud cobalt]

@little dawn What does your project files look like ?

Before doing anything more

[little dawn]

i dont underdtanmd

[cloud cobalt]

Open your project in explorer

Do yous till see files ?

What exactly happens ?

[crystal wind]

^

[cloud cobalt]

You just said "entire project deleted" but... like, did you delete it yourself ?

if not, it's unlikely it deleted itself

[little dawn]

i dont know

[cloud cobalt]

So what exactly do you see ?

[little dawn]

i cleared out my one drive then poof

it was on my hdd

[cloud cobalt]

what do you see that let you believe your project was deleted ?

[little dawn]

it wasnt there when i oped unreal

[cloud cobalt]

Okay, did you check the location on disk ?

[little dawn]

ye

[serene sorrel]

@cloud cobalt asking the real questions

[cloud cobalt]

So what is in that location now ?

[little dawn]

enpty folderws

[cloud cobalt]

What kind of empty folders ?

[little dawn]

folders with names like unreal or project an all the sub folders

compleaty empty

[serene sorrel]

@little dawn how many hours did you lose

[little dawn]

about 56'

[cloud cobalt]

Did you check your Windows trash folder ?

[little dawn]

mabye

yes

[serene sorrel]

56 feet of hours?

[cloud cobalt]

Did you have source control setup ? It would give you everything back in seconds

[little dawn]

no

56 hours

[cloud cobalt]

Then i'm not sure what can be done here

[little dawn]

fuck

[cloud cobalt]

Recovering data is possible on hard disks, but only when the drive gets corrupted somehow

[serene sorrel]

recovering data is possible if you havent added much data the disk, as delete's dont often delete the data, just free the clusters

[cloud cobalt]

You can try taking a look at file recovery software just in case

[crystal wind]

No you can recover them regardless >.<

Even if manually deleted.

[cloud cobalt]

Not that simple

[serene sorrel]

provided he hasnt added much data to the disk its usually fine to recover something, but strange he deleted it in the first place if it mattered

[cloud cobalt]

Anyway, @little dawn look into source control, create a repo on Gitlab and learn Git, it's free and you'll avoid that problem

It's a lot to learn but it's a mandatory tool

[little dawn]

will do thanks guys

[crystal wind]

Github has their own software called git desktop that makes it easy.

[hearty cosmos]

MATES for cartoony facial rigging, should I go with BLENDSHAPES or JOINT BASED

[serene sorrel]

then the cloud owns your data, not a great idea imo

[cloud cobalt]

Github is unsuitable for UE4 work in the free version

The file size limit is way too low

Gitlab has 10Gb available for free private repos

You can use more than that on Github, but it's a bit expensive

The other, more serious option is to use Perforce on a server you own

[crystal wind]

I think you might want to ask that in the graphics channel.

[cloud cobalt]

Obviously that's expensive too but it's the real deal

[crystal wind]

Not tried facial animations at all as of yet.

[hearty cosmos]

[crystal wind]

Where do I remember that name...

[hearty cosmos]

please, call me Mr. Bott

[serene sorrel]

You can install GIT locally anyhow, and do your own version control, and just make sure you backup that with external drives and such

if you use cloud services, use local encryption so they have zero access to your data

[crystal wind]

I've recovered entire projects using recuva before. On an hdd he'll have decent odds if he's quick about it.

[serene birch]

supposedly, Microsoft Azure also has a working Git thing going on btw 😮

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/devops/repos/

[serene sorrel]

dont use remote git unless youre doing open source stuff that doesnt matter if its compromised

[cloud cobalt]

Yeah, Microsoft has great stuff too

[crystal wind]

Can't wait to get multi-user setup to play around with.

It seems to backup in stages as well.

[cloud cobalt]

Then again : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/repos/git/limits?view=azure-devops

Same as Gitlab

So it's not bringing much to the table

[crystal wind]

I'm really missing the simplicity of 2D game dev from say sdl2...

Makes all this easier.

[cloud cobalt]

SDL2 is very much still a thing

Go for it

[serene sorrel]

the latest SDL2 has a newer quad batching engine making it more viable too

[serene birch]

wait

[crystal wind]

Even it feels rather clunky, even when building from source. But doing repos and stuff with it proves a lot easier.

[serene birch]

that page says they don't have a hard limit to the repo size

how is that "the same as Gitlab" ?

[serene sorrel]

not really an Unreal thing though, bit off topic

[cloud cobalt]

You're right

Seems they don't have a hard limit

[little dawn]

ok im quitting unreal

[crystal wind]

That could be exploited in nasty ways...

[little dawn]

whats 3ds max

and is unity easy

[cloud cobalt]

3DS is a modelling software for use with Ue4 or Unity

What's your issue with Unreal ?

[crystal wind]

I'd leave it alone.

[serene sorrel]

lol

[little dawn]

cant restore anything. i looked it uo

[cloud cobalt]

Unity is fine if you're looking for an alternative to UE4

But it won't prevent you from wiping your own project

[little dawn]

i cant write c++ like a boss

[cloud cobalt]

This is what Git or Perforce do

[serene sorrel]

yeah deleting your own project files can happen on UE or Unity

[crystal wind]

No one does starting out 😛 Hell I still can't. Do whatever works for your goals.

[dim plover]

Learn Blueprints first. It'll make it much, much easier.

And lots of people do only strictly BP.

[little dawn]

when i say like a boss. i mean i can write "hello world" into the python

[serene sorrel]

@little dawn c# is easier to learn than c++ , and unity is in c# so . It looks worse but its a beginner engine

[cloud cobalt]

If you're not experienced with C++, it's clearly going to limit you somewhat if you plan on doing stuff like multiplayer

C# is easier to learn, so go for Unity if you don't have time

[little dawn]

oof

[cloud cobalt]

It's quite a great engine too, though different

[dim plover]

I heard Unity and multiplayer is quite difficult (for reasons I do not know).

[crystal wind]

Multiplayer is kind of off the table for an indie anyway if they want to ship. And they are this much a beginner.

[cloud cobalt]

Multiplayer should be off the table for beginners

[serene sorrel]

@crystal wind you can literally make MMORPG in Unreal or Unity in days

it will suck though

[crystal wind]

engine really doesn't matter as long as you got all the control you need. For open world or multiplayer... But those require massive amounts of work and hacks anyway.

Why am i derailing this...

[serene sorrel]

the default templates for unreal have multiplayer usually

[cloud cobalt]

Open-world or multiplayer are two examples of things you don't do as a beginner tbh

[crystal wind]

Or rpgs really.

Anything with an inventory.

[cloud cobalt]

Anything that requires massive content really

[little dawn]

how can someone make a unreal project into a multip[layer

[serene sorrel]

gamedev is full of "i have an awesome idea for MMORPG but i dont know how to program or make art"

[cloud cobalt]

With a lot of work

[crystal wind]

Ue4 uses replication by default for actors, which helps you sync states.

[cloud cobalt]

Multiplayer is 5x more work

UE4 doesn't replicate anything, by default, except the existence of the actor

Unity does less than that AFAIK

[serene sorrel]

the new Chaos physics engine will at least make some phyics based multiplayer games more easily accessible imo

[crystal wind]

Err that yes.

The option is so easy to use though.

[cloud cobalt]

What option ?

[crystal wind]

I mean just making desired variables replicatable.

[cloud cobalt]

There's a shit load more work to multiplayer than that

It's way, way, way more massive

[dim plover]

Have they said anything about Chaos's networking other than that they developed with networking in mind?

[cloud cobalt]

Nope

It will take years

[serene sorrel]

@dim plover its a lot more configurable

it also runs in its own thread

so some performance benefits

and its actually here (soon-ish)

[crystal wind]

Isn't it supposed to use multithreading internally?

[little dawn]

the sadest thibng that iv lost is my player model in unreal

sexy

[serene sorrel]

@crystal wind you can actually set the tick rate of the physics engine in chaos!

[little dawn]

no abdomen

[serene sorrel]

before it was tied to the gpu refresh rate

[crystal wind]

You can do that for ue4 probably though.

[cloud cobalt]

You didn't model that in UE4 anyway, so you shouldn't have lost that

[crystal wind]

Oh interesting.

[serene sorrel]

no you cant, they literally list it as a feature 😛

i mean they should have done that since years anyhow

[crystal wind]

I was surprised to dig through the source and only see Physicx >.>

Could have sworn there was bullet3d

What'd be pretty nice, if you could build said physics engine purely with fixed point data.

[serene sorrel]

not yet with chaos

we had a discussion here the other day about it

the biggest use case for fixed point math and lock step physics is large amount of units, and not many games really do that

the few that do roll their own

[crystal wind]

Sandboxy games do use that though, so do rts.

Both of which i've seen people want to do but end up being dissapointed

[serene sorrel]

yeah

[crystal wind]

By the lack unit counts

[serene sorrel]

im in agreement, they should have this stuff already in unity and unreal, but its just the way it is

you can get away with using FPU stuff if you are extremely careful about it, but chaos isnt designed with that deterministic goal in mind

[crystal wind]

I've yet to find a 3D engine that is.

[serene sorrel]

but never know what the future holds

yeah because its slower, and you cant use the latest CPU features if you care 😛

[crystal wind]

The two I found for 2D were either not in english or had too many requirements to really install in a cross platform manner.

[serene sorrel]

but i think they should have designed chaos with a fixed point pipeline in mind, as an option

but instead physics will again mainly be used for determining the graphical look of things and not actual state

[crystal wind]

Hopefully they do it with nice flat arrays, maybe let ue4 pass in it's own buffers, and give the game dev more settings to tweak. Maybe even replace the broad phase.

[serene sorrel]

has UE spoken about an ECS? I know Unity is working towards that goal but havent seen anything on the UE front

[crystal wind]

Same to be honest. But i'd rather do it myself it it's to be done anyway.

Avoid BP's entirely at that to.

[serene sorrel]

avoid it how in UE?

[crystal wind]

Code. C++.

[serene sorrel]

your game state in its own world, just use UE as the graphics window?

[crystal wind]

Basically yes ^-^ That's one way.

Would be the most optimized way if you've got the time to spend.

[serene sorrel]

mmmm thats what i was doing for my fixed point RTS demo in unity and unreal

just keep my own game state separate

[little dawn]

my cpu is a intel core 2 quad 9300 and a gpu gt710

literal potato

[crystal wind]

Funny I did an ecs engine specifically with an rts engine in mind. Was interesting.

Why do they say core two quad?

As in two cores but an extra two emulated cores?

[serene sorrel]

@crystal wind yeah RTS isnt exactly a demanded engine these days, unreal and unity make you use a suboptimal solution for it that is built around their engine limitations

core2 is the cpu arch

[crystal wind]

I doubt his rig is worse than mine then.

[serene sorrel]

something outta 2006 yeah

[crystal wind]

You'd be surprised the number of people that ask, why not build the rts in unity? I guess high unit counts aren't appreciated.

[serene sorrel]

You can certainly make a RTS that uses the optimal lock step path that works in UE or Unity, you just have to "windowize" the visual game world and spawn/despawn actors/gameobjects as they come into view. Keep your own state away from the engine

[crystal wind]

Pretty much yes.

[serene sorrel]

its not even hard to do it in UE or Unity honestly, the hard part is knowing how to do it in the first place which most people have no idea

but nearly every large game that uses UE or Unity knows about keeping the actor count lowish for best performance, that you have to "stream" in the world

Unity's new ECS system may resolve the need for streaming in many cases

since it allows 100K+ objects in the world at once

but even in that case since it doesnt have lockstep physics, or fixed point pipeline, youll be doing it on your own

[little dawn]

does anyone have a wroking dynamic crosshair

[static viper]

yes

no

its a trihair

[little dawn]

idc

trihair is good

[dim merlin]

Hey, anyone knows it would be a problem to have much bones in a skeleton, even they are not animated (done have tracks) ?

[static viper]

the skeleton will always export completly

and by default parenting will move them

but sometimes

with skinning

they vanish

ue4 has a weird strategy with skeletal meshes

[vast fossil]

guys is it ok to ignore some error reports ? Because some of them arent actually errors

[static viper]

if red

then no

[vast fossil]

its red

[static viper]

then no.

[vast fossil]

but its not even an error...

[static viper]

show

[vast fossil]

basically I have an arrow component of 3rd Person following a sphere

it works

[static viper]

just show the error message

even tho if it works in editor

or game

these kinds of error are what leads to the desktop crashes.

there is definitly no ignoring them

[vast fossil]

the thign is, its working correctly, but it gives this error

[static viper]

that is extremly bad.

and will definitly fuck your game up XD

[vast fossil]

then why does it work

[static viper]

bc it doesnt...

[vast fossil]

it does

[static viper]

stop arguing

[vast fossil]

dude

[static viper]

and show me the code...

or am just gonna walk away and watch you dive head first into the abyss

[wary wave]

if it's accessing none, it's definitely not working

you will want to track that down

[vast fossil]

the nodes do work, I only get this red error IF I dont have my sphere in imported in the world outline but spawned in the game

but if I have the sphere imported, then I have no red errors but that breaks my gameplay

[wary wave]

accessed none means you have a reference in there that doesn't point to anything

[vast fossil]

I assume its because its not imported

[wary wave]

"imported" doesn't make sense

I assume you mean placed in world?

[vast fossil]

I didnt

I have it spawned 2 secs after game starts

the sphere does spawn like I want

[static viper]

then just stop the code asking for it until its there?

[vast fossil]

behaves exactly how I want but I get this error

[wary wave]

the other blueprint probably has no reference to the sphere

hence accessed none

[static viper]

you are asking for the sphere even you know its not there

[midnight sparrow]

Can i prevent having a bright movable objects after baking with static lighting ??
I would just like it to look like static, but the lightmap wouldnt break when i move it

[vast fossil]

about the code, I only work with BP right now I have no code skills

[cloud cobalt]

@midnight sparrow You need dynamic lighting there, unfortunately

Which looks way worse

[static viper]

then show code jason

[vast fossil]

how ?

[static viper]

a screenshot

windows has snipping tool by default

you can paste it right in here

[vast fossil]

where to view the code ?

im a noob when it comes to coding

[cloud cobalt]

For source code you should use pastebin

[static viper]

i always say it that way

[cloud cobalt]

For Blueprint, a screenshot

[static viper]

ok

i mean blueprint.

[vast fossil]

ah ok

[static viper]

its all mixed for me really XD

everything is code.

even stranger is a calculated risk

[midnight sparrow]

@cloud cobalt not a possibility its for a VR.
I would just like to move tables in front of client with no need to rebuil the lighting. So the shadows on it would look the same, i dont care. i just dont want it to be bright like this

[cloud cobalt]

@midnight sparrow If you need to move objects, then you need to use dynamic lighting

if you can't do that, then don't move objects

Or don't have lighting

[midnight sparrow]

Ok i was hoping there is some cheat 😄 Becouse im not asking engine to do something imposible. Just to not disconnect my lightmap

[static viper]

@vast fossil use an

isvalid white node

and connect it to your get result

then hook it up between the get all and the set

[vast fossil]

@static viper thank you for suggestion, I will try out now

[wary wave]

dynamic objects would not be lightmapped

[midnight sparrow]

So can i move my static objects without breaking lightmap

i dont care it would be inacurate

[static viper]

you can only move objects that are not baked

they are tagged as movable

[midnight sparrow]

i will probably just somehow fake the lightmap in photoshop

[static viper]

by you

use decals for the fake shadows then

[midnight sparrow]

decals?