also vertex animations isnt exactly a selling point
#ue4-general
serene sorrel
static viper
cryengine and unreal engine are both fps engines with a multiplayer core
unity is the weird one.
with its mobile html systems
serene sorrel
its better in modern gpus to have static mesh with dynamic bones
which is why UE4 probably doesnt care about vertex animation
static viper
up to 2012 it barely had a proper renderer XD
vertex animation could make some things easier tho.
serene sorrel
not without interpolation ๐
crystal wind
Honestly, if unity had support for graphics out of the box like ue4, and if it were easy to do the entire thing in c++, i'd consider it. If I can break the engine to my will.
For some small projects.
Would probably have to do custom physics and whatnot.
serene sorrel
c# is the future imo, the new standards coming for it make it so attractive. But thats outside unity
crystal wind
Custom networking to
That's hard to buy from an optimization nut's perspective, but to be fair i've more experience with java than i do c#
And no i'm not saying java is better
It actually seems worse.
serene sorrel
the new C# standard is different, if you need native performance you can compile it to native x64
look into .net standard
static viper
yee and i had people say rust is the future...
serene sorrel
works across pretty much every platform you care about too
static viper
there is really not that one true opinion
and this cross platform thing
is a trap.
crystal wind
Can you do for example...
struct Point {int x; int y; };
Struct Point p[100]; //array of objects (not pointers to them)
^
static viper
java is your great future.
serene sorrel
c# before microsoft let the leash off, wasnt very good, but its now an open standard and things are changing . the performance difference with c# when compiled to binary is significantly small enough to not worry about
crystal wind
It's the friggin gc and inability to actually mess with the memory like i want that turns me off.
serene sorrel
new c# gives you "unsafe" methods to use like a c++ pro
but its not fully there yet, soon though
crystal wind
To be honest i program more C than c++. I tend to avoid std and all that cancer.
And templates >.>
Unless it's ideal.
serene sorrel
oldschool
crystal wind
Slower prototyping... Easier optimizing and long term maintnence.
serene sorrel
theres a beauty about C that C++ and OOP doesnt have, if you appreciate ASM
crystal wind
Well if you mix C style programming with c++ that is.
That I do appreciate. I like knowing exactly where my data is sitting.
And how it's being minipulated.
int *thing[1000000];
Stuff like that, that indirection hurts so damn much when your iterating over an array.
And it's way worse when your using gc and constantly resizing your vectors/DynamicArrays.
Honestly I think c# might make a good game scripting language.
Like for mods or general game logic, but not for heavy weight stuff.
serene sorrel
nah its good for the entire game these days too
it also makes modding your game very easy too
crystal wind
Depending on your scale.
serene sorrel
they can just hook into all your functions with no effort
Rimworld and Stardew valley did very well with modding, because they are c#
both made over 50 million USD
crystal wind
Empyrian and rust and 7d2d, all done in unity with c#. And all of them are just so...
serene sorrel
you can essentially decompile their source code into c# very easily, which helps with mods
crystal wind
Hehe and making hacks for but either your doing full aurthorative servers or you really shouldn't care.
serene sorrel
those games are mainly single player yeah
crystal wind
Ah nice.
serene sorrel
simplish 2d games. easy to mod to do whatever you want
did more sales than most AAA games
crystal wind
Those if they aren't openworld, you can get away with so much lazyness.
serene sorrel
modding played a key factor in both success
Rimworld has performance issues with large maps, stardew is like something that could run an a 486-dx2
crystal wind
3D sandboxy though your in a pinch just to get things decently working
serene sorrel
the c# aspect is what made modding both easy, they both had solo programmers making the game, the modders came with free content that made the games extremely popular
crystal wind
Clever actually.
serene sorrel
if it was C++ it wouldnt have happened
crystal wind
You can slap lua and data oriented design in it but it'd take a lot longer to prep right.
serene sorrel
factorio did that, slapped lua into it
factorio still made less than both those games ๐ but its close
factorio would have eclipsed both imo, if it was made in c#
crystal wind
I highly doubt you could write that game in java esque languages and it even be half that performant. It looks hella well done honestly.
serene sorrel
lua performs worse than c#
crystal wind
That it does.
serene sorrel
so the mods for rimword/stardew are more performant actually
also factorio has to expose everything that modders want, modders in c# can just hook functions and make whatever they want, whatever game they want
crystal wind
The c style data minipulation is likely vital to it's scalability though, the amount of items and belts that is able to be used is insane.
serene sorrel
i doubt it actually if you consider mods in the equation, lua is slower, so
crystal wind
You'd have to be conscious of the cache line and avoid indirection.
If you mod it then it may actually be slower compared to a modded c# counterpart probably, if the mod was doing it's own belts and such.
serene sorrel
factorio is one of those games that is worth about $500 actually, if you consider the hours you can put into it
rimworld has it beat for gameplay, but factorio is deeper than stardew valley but it made less money than it
crystal wind
Hell at that point, it'd almost make sense to mix c and c# for a game like that, keeping c# for the mods with a nice api to work with.
serene sorrel
yeah, but c# these days is so performant that mixing it is pointless imo.
you are oldschool like me, so look into the new net standard stuff, its very close to c++ performance
crystal wind
I don't trust runtime compilers to keep my nested structs flat and within the cache line >.> And you end up using object pooling and such techniques which are a wee bit painful.
serene sorrel
only downside is that reverse engineering your code is easier, but as an indie thats actually a positive
crystal wind
That would be a positive yeah.
serene sorrel
if you dont build a game thats "Modding compatible" its not, at all, clearly
but the biggest indie games are mod friendly, because people provide free content for your game
hence extending and increasing its reach
if youre a solo dev, having people provide free content for you is like, fantastic
frank escarp
factorio literally cant be made in C#
crystal wind
Honestly I wonder how much you can get away with using DOD and ECS together.... Like mixing ecs with json files. If enough mechanics can be implemented to give damn near as much freedom.
frank escarp
the sheer level of engineering tryhardness they show there cant be done in C#
specially in unity
serene sorrel
@frank escarp they could easily do that game in c# or c++
crystal wind
They'd have to object pool, they'd have to avoid excessive indirection.
serene sorrel
i believe its already c++
frank escarp
no, they cant
its C++
and its not "just" C++
its extreme DoD hyperoptimized C++
serene sorrel
bro, how bad do you think c# is compared to c++ these days? look it up
frank escarp
it has GC
serene sorrel
lol
frank escarp
factorio doesnt need GC
they store everything in arrays, as small data, and they NEED to control how their allocations work
crystal wind
It's not polymorphic.
serene sorrel
oh right, GC makes everything unusable, i forgot
serene sorrel
@frank escarp do you even know of .net standard?
crystal wind
Primitive datatypes in C# are not referenced are they? Like you might be able to pull off a struct of arrays type thing.
frank escarp
yes i do. It can never be as fast as well written C++
specially for stuff like this
serene sorrel
@frank escarp correct, but does it have to be for factorio? no
frank escarp
the manual memory management and manual allocators is stuff yo cant do on C#
mate, you cant compare Factorio with stuff like Rimworld
Factorio runs object counts on the millions
serene sorrel
just like well optimized ASM would be faster than C++ too, is it advised not really
frank escarp
factorio devs do actually do ASM stuff
crystal wind
It depends what your doing.
frank escarp
with SIMD intrinsics
crystal wind
For most general games c++ is probably overkill. For the indie scene at least.
serene sorrel
lol
crystal wind
But for object counts that high... I've tried that in java.
serene sorrel
you do know c# optimizes for recent cpus too right
crystal wind
I've tried it in c++ style to... That's worse than pure c really
frank escarp
but outside of hundred'-people AAA devs with custom engines
there is no one as tryhard as factorio devs
static viper
factorio is a great game tho
serene sorrel
c++ will be ~10% faster than the best c# regardless, the care is whether that 10% matters and whether you can do the best 10% anyhow
serene sorrel
lol
crystal wind
General uses... With sloppy typical c++ programming it probably is around that amount.
serene sorrel
yeah its 10x faster than c# if you are pro, ok bro
frank escarp
to begin with, no GC doing stuff on the background, and no JIT in the background
just your code
serene sorrel
you are a funny guy
crystal wind
I feel bad for starting this i'm sorry >.<
static viper
you may have started it... but ferris is continuing it ๐
serene sorrel
any facts to back your opinion @frank escarp
static viper
and you?
crystal wind
We could do a proper comparisn of sorts, say something math based using flat data layouts.
static viper
i hear this alot.
people come to me wanting to talk about the next code revolution...
serene sorrel
@static viper sure
crystal wind
A physics exaple maybe. Using aabb
static viper
am so over it
serene sorrel
c# isnt a new thing though
serene sorrel
the .net standard stuff is kinda newish though
frank escarp
serene sorrel
its getting away from the microsoft centred shit it was before
frank escarp
CPU renderer
crunches 1 million triangles per frame
good luck doing that level of crunch on C#
serene sorrel
@frank escarp where is the c# version to compare
frank escarp
there isnt one
serene sorrel
how neutral
crystal wind
Can we come up with a use case that we could program ourselves?
static viper
you should write one to challenge it then ferris.
serene sorrel
lol
static viper
i am vblance just made an experiment
serene sorrel
i wrote recently a quad renderer that could do over a million quads per second
in c#
crystal wind
See if your one person programming both, your going to be biased.
static viper
did you
crystal wind
And complex stuff is a turnoff
static viper
where is it
serene sorrel
crystal wind
Hey i remember that
frank escarp
newer editions punch towards half a million moving objects
serene sorrel
you did 1 million triangles, i did 1 million quads at 85fps
frank escarp
the article is a bit outdated
serene sorrel
in c#
frank escarp
static quads
serene sorrel
not static, they moved, could be any texture
theres fuck all done on CPU these days for so many things, especially if you know what youre doing
crystal wind
They need a fair bit of hand holding if you want to use them to their full potential.
Mostly the way your data is structured and accessed.
serene sorrel
the limiter in demos like the one i just showed isnt c# or c++, its gpu power and techniques
i got 85fps on a 1070 laptop using geometry shaders
serene sorrel
but all the transformations are sent from the cpu
frank escarp
thats literally the point. The rasterizer was a million triangles at 40 FPS on CPU
crystal wind
Which is uber difficult to do >.<
frank escarp
the spaceship thingy was half a million "spaceships" doing avoidance formulas
serene sorrel
the "rasterizer" on cpu? lol
frank escarp
and collision
midnight sparrow
Is it okay to have different resolutions for normal etc and basecolor?
serene sorrel
they invented GPUs for a reason you know
midnight sparrow
sometimes you just need highres basecolor
crystal wind
Basecolor?
His point though, is that it's not likely c# could match that kind of crunching potential. It's good enough for most things. But not all.
frank escarp
a fast CPU rasterizer can be used for culling in game engines, as its zero latency, vs the GPU which has a coupleframe latency to pick stuff
midnight sparrow
i just resized textures to have 1024 basecolor and 256x256 every other pbr textures
crystal wind
Currently at least
serene sorrel
@frank escarp until whatever engine you use out competes my quad engine, you dont know what you are talking about
beat my quad engine, 85fps at 1 million quads, then talk to me
frank escarp
mate, im showing a demo of half a million spaceships (cubes with 2 other chiildren cubes), with avoidance and dynamic spawns
crystal wind
Factorio specifically, i very much doubt could be done in anything that doesn't let you handhold memory management.
serene sorrel
im talking about 1 million ON SCREEN quads bro, not some fake shit youre doing in the background to pretend its high
crystal wind
It's designed very DOD
midnight sparrow
Sorry to interupt you guys, but simpe ok / not ok will do ๐
static viper
calm down man XD
crystal wind
Sorry i kinda had a hard time understanding what you were asking.
serene sorrel
so show me your demo higher than 85fps
static viper
ferris calm down
frank escarp
no, because i do more complex things than just quads
serene sorrel
lol
crystal wind
It's not worth it.
serene sorrel
if you do something more complex than quads, showing 1 million quads shoulnt be hard bro
frank escarp
but i would need to do it
and if you are talking about properly using gpu power, then i could show 100 million
serene sorrel
whats so hard about doing it, do it and impress us
serene sorrel
me, whoever is here
serene sorrel
id like to be impressed by his faster engine
static viper
it doesnt matter anymore...
serene sorrel
its not ego, i literally want to be shown a better way
serene sorrel
he says he knows it
crystal wind
It's fine that the debate isn't resolved, it's clear at this point it wont' be.
serene sorrel
maybe he knows a better way and i want to learn bro?
static viper
you dont want to learn judging by your attitude and use of words
serene sorrel
nothing wrong with him claiming he is better than me, i want to learn
static viper
you dont.
serene sorrel
lol ok
serene sorrel
you guys should relax, he is making claims and if he is right i want to learn why
thats how you become better
i would like to see 100 million quads on his demo
i only did 1 million at 85fps
thats magnitudes better
crystal wind
I'm wanting to put that conversation to the side for a moment, have you got to practice DOD styled programming by chance? It's a very different and alien thing. I didn't even know about it till a year ago.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind yeah i have
crystal wind
And your sure your aware of how ecs works and/or how the cache line works? And that every address related arithmetic can disrupt the cpu's crunching?
I'm not trying to insult you.
serene sorrel
you can put the consveration to the side if you want, it interests me if @frank escarp can get 100 million quads on the same hardware as me, shows a significant error in what im doing
crystal wind
Collored, by pure cpu... Probably no. But if he used the gpu it'd have the same results roughly, because when it comes to cpu -> gpu communication the bottleneck is drawcalls most times.
serene sorrel
well yeah bro, every time you access any memory, especially if its iterated, its better for it to be in the cache than not
crystal wind
No not that.
That's being cache friendly
But close
Actually that kind of is it.
mint sequoia
It doesn't matter whose wrong or right, no need to try to make people feel bad for it either way, I think most of us are wrong more than we're right, its pretty much normal
serene sorrel
well if its linear in memory, when you access X, then X+1 is likely being preloaded at some point bro
mint sequoia
Odd internet fixation right there
crystal wind
But a cache line is how the cpu reads exactly a specific number of bytes from memory when it reads from ram, the more it does this the less ideal it is.
serene sorrel
right
which is why you have your structures in linear memory as you iterative over them, if possible
@mint sequoia yeah i mean if you can struggle to think you are wrong it might be a problem, but i have no problem admitting im wrong if someone gives the evidence of something superior
crystal wind
Now I think c# could potentially do the structs of arrays potentially, but it'd be a fair bit harder to do, unless maybe you can force it to store an entire object at an element instead of a pointer to it. Little stuff like that.
mint sequoia
@serene sorrel No one wants to engage with someone being aggressive about it
serene sorrel
@crystal wind arrays in c# are stored linearly in memory pretty much
mint sequoia
No one owes you anything
serene sorrel
@mint sequoia thats ok, so just say you cant do it if it probed, no problem
crystal wind
struct Point p[100];
This isn't an array of pointers it's an array of objects. There's no indirection.
mint sequoia
It's got nothing to do with whether someone can do anything or not
People wont help you for much longer
serene sorrel
@mint sequoia yeah maybe i misunderstood when he said he could do 100 million quads to my 1 million then, quite possible, good point
crystal wind
I'm honestly not entirely sure what the lang is capable of. I'm wondering if it can do all these same things though.
mint sequoia
@serene sorrel It doesn't matter if you're comparing quads, code, politics, or how many days you can go without showering before people start to notice, you're acting aggressively over something absolutely pointless
serene sorrel
@crystal wind an array of structs means those structs will be in memory linearly, pretty much in any decent compiler
radiant haven
** DOes MultiUserEditing work with Hamachi?**
serene sorrel
@mint sequoia aggressive is just asking someone to show what he is saying ? lol ok man, thanks for the tips
static viper
dont use hamachi
serene sorrel
@crystal wind well c# is different, im not so certain that is correct even in java but yeah
mint sequoia
No, its how you're asking
crystal wind
I'm asking if c# has anything comparable to that really.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind yeah in c# you will find an array of structs be composed in memory linearly
wary wave
if someone is an arse, just block them and have done with it
better than derailing an entire channel for an hour
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
mint sequoia
Doesn't really work on Discord
light coyote
Chillax everione, or i start sending nudes of myself xDDDDDDDDDD
static viper
thats a short threat
crystal wind
Again i'm sorry for starting this >.< At the same time i'm kinda wondering if perhaps it might actually allow me to twiddle memory as precisely as i'm used to.
static viper
pls send nudes of yourself
serene sorrel
@mint sequoia maybe dont worry about defending what people say here that arent you, he said something im just asking him to show it, its not aggressive
light coyote
xDDDD
static viper
i ask for it
static viper
be quiet koi, richard wants to show us his junk
crystal wind
Lol >.<
serene sorrel
@crystal wind yeah in modern c# using their so called "unsafe" wrappers you can do most of what you do in c++
crystal wind
If I can fiddle with the memory as detailed as usual... It would be a fun venture to try.
serene sorrel
pointer arithmetic, etc
crystal wind
Hopefully some nice malloc and free?
serene sorrel
yes
light coyote
Honestly there is no discusion if both sides are in search for truth.
Everyone likes to defend theyr view and or point,, so that of saying you have to break this that i say to make me change my mind(it may be a few things and go for a while).
It only turns from a debate to a pointless discussion if at least one of both sides is no longer intrested on truth.
Even then, maybe not enough information comes out, everyone still thinks the same they did about that thing,,, and that is perfectly ok.
serene sorrel
modern c# is much improved, and any c++ programmer can find an alternative to what they do for speed pretty much. Theres maybe 1 or 2 exceptions there but its pretty small
regardless of that though, youll find the best c++ is maybe 10% faster than the best C#, outside of just calling library functions where it may be close to 0% difference
crystal wind
It's got simd, the same controlled multithreading, and the same memory layout potential? Cause if it's got all that and please some unsigned datatypes then i'm down for it. Assuming there's no hidden indirection.
serene sorrel
but that 10% still matters in some cases, so its not like c# is the best choice regardless
light coyote
@static viper I tried sending a pic,, but discord only allows me to send 8mb images,,, to small file size ๐ ๐
crystal wind
LOL
static viper
i am sure thats the reason.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind yeah it has all that
light coyote
XD
crystal wind
All I need to do now is slap a preprocessor ontop of that, and work mostly in unsafe mode ^-^ And it's cross platform out of the box. Hopefully the datatypes are as promised as uint32 but i doubt anomalies are that common. And struct sizes are predictable and slim.
And stuff like this is awesome.
struct Thing {
uint8_t a: 1;
uint8_t b: 1;
};
c# has no real preprocessor, the downside of it if you love macros
but you can achieve something similar if you use a plugin or something, but i wish it was built in
crystal wind
That and true constexpr type values. Where instead of a variable it's really just copy pasted. But there's probably things you can use to act as a preprocessor.
serene sorrel
haha
crystal wind
I like that it's a true const.
Unlike const >.>
It honestly pissed me off when the college teacher of a friend, basically told them that const made it so that your using the raw value and avoiding having to read from a variable.
I wasn't mad at the teacher so much as that it felt like wasted money. When I was teaching that friend all the things they screwed up.
Now again i'm sorry for starting that mess. If you can get it really compiled down fully, and have it give the programmer full control over memory usage, it's frankly got massive potential.
I still wouldn't say it's a full replacement, just as c is never a full replacement for asm, but that'll absolutely give it more adoption.
crystal wind
I've tested it a while ago with gcc. Yo ucan change the value.
frank escarp
if you want to do the whole "value" thing
crystal wind
It's just UB
frank escarp
use constexpr
crystal wind
Exactly.
frank escarp
constexpr float myFloat = 10.0f; will mean it will get substituted. In compiled code myFloat will not exist
crystal wind
That's what got under my skin, the teacher made probably not knowing better; explained to the students that it's the same as using the raw value.
Exactly
frank escarp
not as bad as the engine teacher in my university
crystal wind
Almost makes one wish c had something like that.
frank escarp
where he told people to use std::map to store components
and make a renderer, with components modeled after unity components, where everything is virtual
with a messagging system too, a crap one
crystal wind
That doesn't sound bad as an option...
Oh eww.
Honestly i think the fine details should be up to the students, to see what they can accomplish on their own.
frank escarp
using std::map should be punishable by death
crystal wind
maybe fork some ideas though
crystal wind
Wouldn't unordered map be better most times?
crystal wind
Ah he probably didn't know better >.<
frank escarp
java teacher teaching C++
crystal wind
Oof that's why
feral echo
std::map? why it's bad? it's just a tree inside
frank escarp
thats precisely why its bad
feral echo
balanced binary tree..
crystal wind
unordered map is excellent when your not removing/adding a crapton i believe, and it's searching is generally faster.
There's some tradeoff compared I forget though.
crystal wind
Do they have an advantage if your adding/removing a lot?
frank escarp
the reason to use std::map is exclusivelyif you need a container that stores things in-order
no
its O(logN) addition
you are literally better doing it on a flat array and sorting when needed
its miles faster doing that
crystal wind
facepalm Wait now i get it.
frank escarp
tree structures = bad for cpu caches
keeping sort all the time = bad for cpu usage
you often dont need that
and then, std map is not a hashmap
when you pick an item, it needs to iterate the binary tree comparing your stuff
crystal wind
What does unordered map actually do to avoid that indirection?
crystal wind
All I remember reading was that the size of it nearly doesn't effect the searching speed.
frank escarp
its a hashmap, of course it doesnt
thats the whole point XD Its O(1)
std::map is o(logn) to grab stuff
crystal wind
I'm hoping not to start another flame war, is unsafe a new thing they are about to implement or what? Any idea if it's missing any memory related functionality? According to him it could do simd, proper multithreading, arrays of struct objects (not pointers to them) and memory allocation/deallocation.
frank escarp
it does. Its also still not as fast as C++, and HIGHLY not recomended due to the unsafety
if you are going to write unsafe C#, just do C++
and then you dont have a GC nor a heavy runtime behind
C# unsafe does indeed give you manual malloc and the likes
crystal wind
The reason i'm asking is i'm kinda wondering if I can get away with doing a lot of stuff in unsafe mode for projects that already make c# mandatory. And hack it thoroughly that way.
frank escarp
you could, but its still not as easy
stuff like foreach loop generates garbage, and the entire standard library too
there is people that have implemented fully unsafe containers for data, very C-ish, but they are worse to use than C++ equivalents
crystal wind
And no preprocessor by default >.>
frank escarp
C++ has RAII, C# doesnt
crystal wind
Doesn't ue4 have RAII disabled?
frank escarp
no, RAII is a core C++ feature, in fact UE4 uses it a lot
you might be confusing it with RTTI
which is indeed disabled
crystal wind
I've been confused on exactly what it means. I was just told that ue4 has some project setting tweaked so that dynamic casting doesn't work
frank escarp
RAII is the one that calls destructors when the function ends
RTTI stores some metadata on your types, and its used for dynamic cast and a few others
crystal wind
OHHHHH
frank escarp
the thing is that with how big ue4 is, RTTI would be a massive overhead
nearly all big projects disable it
crystal wind
Yeah if your doing polymorphism it's best to use something esque to c++ out of the box.
frank escarp
after all ue4 has its own better version of it with the macros
crystal wind
I've seen job openings for stuff like 7d2d and empyrian and instillation 01 which is a fan made halo game. All of which use c# and unity >.<
radiant haven
@static viper what then?
crystal wind
It bummed me out since I wanted to donate help >.>
radiant haven
Softether VPN?
radiant haven
static viper
a new discussion?
crystal wind
Yup
radiant haven
i went over this thread cause wanna make a project together with a friened
static viper
do you?
crystal wind
Oh dude if you can get it working that might be the bomb.
static viper
but do you really
radiant haven
what
crystal wind
Owl is being owl.
static viper
want to make a project?
static viper
or just work with a friend over internet
crystal wind
Ok that has me confused.
radiant haven
well we wanna make a game together
static viper
and is he far away?
radiant haven
UK
static viper
i mean dont be stopped by me
radiant haven
me germany
static viper
start any moment
radiant haven
I CANT
static viper
but what will you gain from working live together on it?
radiant haven
cause this Multi user editing shit does only work via LAn
static viper
what do you gain from multi editing
radiant haven
we can do it live
my god
and everyone can work on the project
and not just hey here i send u the bps
THATS SHIT
static viper
there is version control you know
radiant haven
??
we just want live editing
togeether
and i can host barely
just that we can work together
static viper
dont mind me i am just asking questions
crystal wind
I vote for this over version control honestly
radiant haven
its ojk
crystal wind
If they think it's fun
radiant haven
but u dont answer my question ๐
crystal wind
But i'm biased a lot
crystal wind
sorry what were you asking?
radiant haven
hes gone
radiant haven
ok
static viper
its just that i take my time when ever i want
radiant haven
ah
crystal wind
Are you thinking of the slug from monster's ink right now?
static viper
and i am still not convinced
radiant haven
from what
radiant haven
WOOOOOOW
crystal wind
Please don't take it personal he's just being very literal >.<
static viper
you asked not one question
crystal wind
My apologies for not reading. Someone else was talking to me at that moment >.<
static viper
but multiple
radiant haven
ufffffffff
I want to use multi user editing with my friend
but we arent together
crystal wind
Wait a sec.
radiant haven
๐คฆ๐ป
plush yew
Hello guys. How Can i check if a apk is signed?
crystal wind
It should work through more than just lan i'd assume.
Sure you port forwarded correctly?
I'm not sure what an apk is honestly.
static viper
a lan cable from germany to the uk?
crystal wind
Would cpp know?
crystal wind
Dude relax. I think owl is picking on you for being in a hurry and supposedly expecting help. Though I could be wrong. But regardless he's harmless.
It's not even really picking on either.
It's strange hmm >.>
static viper
why are you triggered
how am i picking on him
i told him my hamachi experience
XD
which wasnt great
and my concerns
which are granted
crystal wind
That's the thing though, you know it's bothering him, yet your technically not showing aggression.
wary wave
might need ports open, but other than that, it works
crystal wind
And if this is the first time your messing with port forwarding you've a fair bit to learn.
@radiant haven forgive me for poking but I have to go to bed soon. Have you done port forwarding before?
You can probably do what your wanting. You've just got to be patient and calm.
azure shore
hi, I have an enemy that runs around and shoots the player, but if they go too long without seeing the player, they stop and stand still which theyre supposed to, but this seems to stop the onseepawn event from being able to activate again
any idea why?
like how do I re enable or restart the pawn sensing thing
static viper
you cant.
and this is not a code issue
its a logic one purely
this onsee event only triggers when a pawn or player is beeing seen
there is no stop event
so you have to be smart about this
and work around it
azure shore
oh
static viper
the protip is
retriggerable delay
thats all i give.
you could ask n blueprints tho.
or ai
azure shore
yeah, I have an integer timer and it resets onseepawn
so I cant find what Ive done wrong
when the timer reaches 0 the enemy is just told to stop running and shooting, but onseepawn sets the timer back up
neat forge
I am trying to switch the mannequin thirdpersoncharacter out to a character I got from the market place, but when I switch the mesh why dont the animations work? (It has new animations) What else do I have to change?
azure shore
ok nvm it was one variable I wasnt resetting, thats embarrassing o_o
ivory gate
when i try to build the engine in visual studio i get the error cannot open file mscoree.lib
wary wave
probably need to install the Windows SDK
honest herald
Hey Guys,
Is there a way to cleanup content editor unused mats and meshes which are not used?
just like the cleanup tool in material editor which delete unused nodes?
ivory gate
@wary wave I checked and I do have the sdk thatโs why Iโm confused
radiant haven
@crystal wind no
crystal wind
I should be in bed right now honestly, someone please explain how port forwarding works, but yeah you may want to look up youtube tutorials for this. You'll need access to your modem. And if it is connected to a router that may complicate the process a bit.
He needs port forwarding up so he can use multi-edit.
burnt kiln
Hey Guys, anyone up i want some help related to blueprint
crystal wind
@radiant haven You may have better luck asking in the cpp channel.
Explain you need port forwarding for that specifically, and your not sure how.
Tell them i sent you if they ask you asked in that channel.
radiant haven
WTF
crystal wind
It's not a simple process. You don't want all your ports spammed with random messages from everywhere, port forwarding is necessary to keep things working correctly. And since you'd be setting up the server, it's a required step as with any other server.
wary wave
there are millions of tutorials that cover port forwarding on the Internet
cloud palm
For the draw line 2D node, the default color for the line is white, how can I change it to other color?
heady frost
I had issues with multi user editing working outside of a lan
which is weird because I know port forwarding was set up fine, because I've done it before on other applications
in the end just ended up using some vlan software, but the results still weren't great so ๐คท
plush yew
Do i have to sign my apk to Upload it to amazon AppStore?
broken stream
Any help way the it get so dark in the shadow of the bulding when the sun dont hit the wall ?
spark sonnet
Use sky light @broken stream
broken stream
ok so its a seting there to get more light
static viper
this is baked light isnt it
broken stream
yes
static viper
your bounces are fucked
static viper
the sand sacks are glowing
also the vents
but higher up the stairs its all nice
but that dark material is shit anyways
what is that even
broken stream
its sement wall. will ahve to change cooler on that
static viper
well if you want something to bounce of a black surface,,,
you are wrong here ๐
it needs to be brighter
glacial arch
So I'm back at it with my voxel game project, and right now I'm trying to figure out compute shaders in UE4. Found this example project that implements a custom shader, and now I'm just trying to understand wtf is going on there ๐
uneven lance
Hey all, I made a tool for helping determine the illumination of an object by lights in Blueprints, which can be used to implement shadow-based stealth mechanics or puzzle mechanics, it's available for free here: https://hippowombat.tumblr.com/post/187254645871/unreal-engine-illumination-detection-blueprint
amber girder
thx
wary wave
standard - looks a lot like how I've done it in the past
amber girder
i actually plan to make creeps which shy away from light
wary wave
now implement spotlights :p
uneven lance
Spotlight support is included โค
wary wave
๐
wary wave
anyone have much experience using the Ease functions?
I'm getting unexpected results - I assumed the expected alpha values were in the 0-1 range
but my interpolation looks to be more or less done before it even gets to 0.4 (I'm assuming it's complete at 0.33)
doesn't seem to matter which easing function is applied either
amber girder
any good tutorial out there for matrices in ue4?
woven cliff
amber herald
hello, am i able to get more lighting in the destructible mesh editor?
or even make it like the material editor
i think the material editor just looks 100x better
untold cobalt
Hi I have a question, I want players to open youtube videos in-game, but I want the sound to be heard nearby, how can I do it?
ivory gate
im trying to build the engine and i get the error cannot open file mscoree.lib.
dawn gull
I installed NVIDIA Flex and there is no flex tab, so I cannot add a physics handler. Any help? Please tag me
light thunder
@untold cobalt I'm not familiar with youtube function but if you can get a reference to the video or the sound, there might be a volume adjust BP node you can use, and you can make a collision volume around the player and then fade the sound in and out as they get closer to the player
untold cobalt
@light thunder I know but I want to adjust the youtube video I can control the volume with audio It is important to me that youtube does not have a source or a plugin for it help?
next badger
@steep ferry looks good, but since the thickness fo the fog is high, you may notice the shapes of the tree branches
steep ferry
Well
light thunder
@untold cobalt Can you show me how you are playing the video?
next badger
@broken stream i also join Sebb's suggestion that you lacking of skylight
untold cobalt
@light thunder Yes, I can open a server port and I can show .mp4 video so I can do the sound control this is quite simple tomorrow I can send you a visual.
stoic cobalt
hi anyone knows why my translucent material isnt showing up when i have raytraced translucency enabled?
it works with masked
light thunder
Then as the player enters the collision volume, get the distance between them and the player and lerp between that, but obviously clamp the distance otherwise you won't get to hear full volume unless you are literally on top of the video; right now it seems your issue is more how to do spatial volume than youtube sound control
untold cobalt
Yes I want to do a sound control for youtube.
next badger
@stoic cobalt
rocky bison
i clicked the build and i dont like the outcome and when i change things the shadows stay built in, how do i got back to the preview again??
radiant haven
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588021789075177503/615262195525222551/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588021789075177503/615262225921212416/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588021789075177503/615262463071486007/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/588021789075177503/615262531199434817/unknown.png
What could I add that the map doesnt look so boring?
rocky bison
a tunnel going underground
radiant haven
I mean smth like furniture
but NOT furnitre
cause it isnt a house
its idjk
smth
๐
supple totem
If it was damp it might be more interesting, you could add some specular for wetness. Maybe fog layers
serene birch
play some older dungeon master style RPGs for inspiration
Lands of Lore had a LOT of stuff around ๐
bones, metal rings in the walls, torches etc...
rocky bison
is it bad practice to cover an entire map with 1 sphere reflection capture
rocky bison
should i just put lots of smaller ones around
daring peak
Don't know if there's a better channel for this, but:
I'm considering migrating an ongoing project to Unreal, but I can't find much information regarding in-editor scripting, which would be very integral to the project. Is this trivially possible / where can I read more about this? I can specify in more detail what it is that I want to do if that would help.
fringe crest
@daring peak blueprints?
daring peak
What do you mean?
I know about blueprints, but I mean whether it is possible to write code that is executed in-editor to place and position (etc) entities automatically
Or rather, how difficult it is to do so
heady frost
Sounds like you might want to check out #editor-scripting
daring peak
Oh right, didn't see that channel
heady frost
You might find https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Engine/Editor/ScriptingAndAutomation/Python/index.html to be helpful as well @daring peak
still island
I have an issue, where in 4.21.2 Drawing to render target causes objects in motion to horribly blur
You have idea why?
drowsy ember
How good AR works on mobile devices?
real hound
So I am trying to do Add Movement Input on a character that is possessed by an AI Controller (from my client side controller), this works when I am running locally but does not work on networked/dedicated play.
I really just want to get pathing and movement set up so it fires on the mouse release, but while the mouse is held down its just a simple movement input. Any ideas?
light thunder
@real hound Make a boolean that is replicated and use that boolean to drive the AI Controller; look for ways to use this as event and not tick based
karmic igloo
Okay, I'm having repeated crashes. I'm working with a landscape material and I'm trying to use 2 grass types. I add another type to my current node, and set the name. That all works fine. But then I try to set the grass type asset and it instantly crashes. The error message says something about an issue with Slate. Any idea why this is happening?
Also happens when I create a new grass type.
raven nest
something happened and I can't move certain objects in the editor, any ideas?
can't seem to move existing static actors, but a new one can be moved
I don't see any constraints on
=\
modern sleet
Helo, I have bit of a problem with spline meshes component :/ I generate some spline component meshes, enable its collisions, but it doesn't collide anyway :/ any help please? I am starting to lose it really
weary basalt
Anyone got any clues as to why id be getting these Fail to load errors at Editor startup.
Ive searched everywhere and tried everything.
If i run Validate Data on the Editor, i get over 15000 of these. Something is seriously messed up or not being loaded correctly.
Curious to know if anyone else has run into this before.
Or has a solution.
Deleting Intermediate and Saved does nothing.
We run a custom installed build of 4.22.1 FYI
I have not tried rebuilding the Engine just yet (would rather not have to do that).
weary basalt
Ok nevermind, it was a stupid 3rd party plugin that was using the wrong LoadingPhase.....
Thanks for the rubber ducky Slackers ๐
plush yew
Hey guys, I have a question. I have to use a blender addon to convert animations, don't ask why. Whenever I import it and set it to use my character skeleton, the mesh intrudes into itself
In UE4
Is it because i downloaded the mixamo animation WITHOUT my skin?
wary lion
Did you make sure the animation worked on your skeleton inside of blender
plush yew
It was mixamo @wary lion but the animation looked fine in mixamo
halcyon flame
does anyone know whether there's going to be a 4.22.4? 4.22.3 that I have is bugging out on me.
hasty bough
Hi guys
got a topic of discussion
rendering a movie out from sequencer. in 4.23 p7 with ray tracing on and off @1080p
with RT on it takes 6min a frame
with RT off it takes 1min a frame
no difference with denoiser on or off, using a RTX 2080
if reolsution is 4k with RT on rendering just crashes.
any ideas on what factors can reduce the 6minutes with RT on or is that expected to be the norm?
cloud palm
@halcyon flame yes it will be new version coming out soon, when I start with the engine, it was around 4.18
halcyon flame
@cloud palm thank goodness
dim plover
I'm doubtful of a 4.22.4. I think normally once the preview is out, hot fixes for the previous version stop.
runic narwhal
Is it possible to put two different types of animations at the same speed in the same blendspace, depending on the stance? Let's say I want a walk animation at 150, but also a crouch animation at 150 if the player presses the crouch button. Does this work?
Ok, more precisely, I want to do this (because apparently what I'm describing is not possible): I want to transition from crouch - which is in one blend space - to sprint - which is in another blendspace
real mesa
Anyone know what this means? I'm trying to import a animation, but I keep getting this.
real mesa
Anyone?
autumn elbow
Your animation skeleton and your mesh skeleton doesn't match?
Double check your hierarchy, maybe ?
steep ferry
Ok guys so i need a help?
when i launch the game, the shadows are completely black , but when i stop pause it, change the skylight to the same intensity
its normal
autumn elbow
Weird
autumn elbow
What's the intensity ?
real mesa
@autumn elbow How do I check my hierarchy?
steep ferry
i need to put more than 0.5
autumn elbow
Koolz
autumn elbow
Double click your mesh FBx import.. in there should be some settings
Then the same for your anim file
I can't remember of the top of my head. I'm not in front of a computer
Looks like this
Maybe check out some YouTube vids on retargeting if your skeletons don't match.
If you're getting that error on import, then check it in your animation software.
hollow niche
serene sorrel
Blender is one way
serene sorrel
anyone testing ray tracing in 4.23 when it comes to large world global illumination?
plush yew
When i packaged my game with development and put it on my phone it was all fine. Now i packaged with shipping and distribution enabled and my game is lagging sometimes
Any idea why ?
glacial pecan
Am I the only one having errors with some "BlastPlugin" in the 4.23 previews?
wary wave
that would be Nvidia Blast, I assume
just disable it
unrelated, I have a blueprint that behaves differently in simulate to gameplay, has anyone encountered this?
storm venture
so where are the Apex clothing files stored? for example, the Paragon TwinBlast character has a vest, but where?
It seems like the people in charge of uploading him forgot about the vest?
wary wave
I believe a lot of the Paragon custom stuff was left out
anything that relied on their custom build didn't make it into the content
storm venture
the weird part is that the vest was imported on their end as Clothing for the character
but only as clothing, export results in only this:
river apex
Hi guys, can anyone help me solve a remote ios build issue?
plush yew
can i change these settings in blueprint?
vast fossil
anyone knows how to fix the UE4 3rd person character pivot ??
the forward vector is pointing the right side of the character
wary wave
believe it or not, Epic "fix" that in their animation usually
broken parrot
Being not afraid of calculus but not good at UE4 is there a good way to determine rapid deceleration of a actor, or way to keep track of velocity curve to find rapid changes in a derivative?
vast fossil
it sux because it breaks things like look at rotation
steep ferry
^
vast fossil
I need to do dumb workarounds that take so much nodes
steep ferry
yo guys btw a question any of you , knowing any tutoiral for good parkour system?
warm swallow
@vast fossil can you send a pic of your transform for that
with scale, rotation, location etc
vast fossil
I made it work though, but I turned the character mesh 180 degrees around
ill post the nodes which made it work too
plush yew
Any 1 up for trading vault items ?
vast fossil
@warm swallow
vast fossil
hmm I havent touched the camera, its the basic 3rd person character. How do I check that though ?
this way it works, it looks at the wall constantly
camerabooms socket offset and target offset are all 0s
it thats what u were asking
lost ember
Are there any known issues with using an AMD GPU for UE4 game dev?
river apex
guys this is really frustrating, anyone knows how to set up remote IOS build in win10?
warm swallow
it was. hmm ive never had this "pivot" issue
civic hound
@river apex You've got to use a mac. If you don't have one a remote machine can do the job
river apex
@civic hound I do have a mac, and it was all set up and working
Now i've updated my station to win 10 and it wont work anymore
civic hound
Are you talking about a build or the project itself?
river apex
The build, I get an error when reaching the build stage
ERROR: UnrealBuildTool failed. See log for more details. (C:\Users\Developer\AppData\Roaming\Unreal Engine\AutomationTool\Logs\C+Program+Files+Epic+Games+UE_4.20\UBT-Slider2-IOS-Shipping.txt)
UATHelper: Packaging (iOS): (see C:\Users\Developer\AppData\Roaming\Unreal Engine\AutomationTool\Logs\C+Program+Files+Epic+Games+UE_4.20\Log.txt for full exception trace)```So are you building on win10 machine and your target is ios?
river apex
yes
civic hound
river apex
been there, not working for me, returns the same error
ughhh this was supposed to be a little morning fix and it already too 4 hours of guessing wtfffff win10
next badger
@river apex you have ssh and stuff set up?
river apex
i guess, I'm doing all the SSH config through the project settings->Ios tab
what do you mean by "and stuff"
next badger
@river apex it says permission denied, which is probably issue with the publickey auth
river apex
yeah I think so too, but have no idea on why and how to solve it.
next badger
C:/Users/----/AppData/Roaming/Unreal/ Engine/UnrealBuildTool/SSHKeys/----/----/RemoteToolChainPrivate.key
river apex
so just delete it?
next badger
also, people recommend to use WINS names and not IPs
river apex
it doesnt solve my problem
(im creating a new one obviusley
where?
what do you mean by WINS
plush yew
ok question in the #work-in-progress am I allowed to advertise if people wanted to help me and my team?
next badger
WINS is name service, that makes your NetBIOS names accessible - the network name of the computer
wary wave
if you want to advertise there are channels for that
river apex
like so?
next badger
@wary wave there are?
wary wave
plush yew
oh ty
next badger
oh
wary wave
haha, not you xD
next badger
@wary wave i was thinking we have channel for advertise...not LFT or WIP ones
@river apex yep
next badger
@river apex have you regenerated the ssh key?
river apex
yeah ofc
next badger
and no errors there?
river apex
nope\
next badger
make sure the key is copied to the mac
next badger
when you generate the key it asks for password for target machine, then it uploads the key there
next badger
you've got the message right? like this one
https://answers.unrealengine.com/storage/temp/94227-error.jpg
but w.o error
next badger
seems ok, make sure the key is on the mac
$ ls ~/.ssh/*.pub
next badger
yes
next badger
um...you may copy the key by hand (public one)
next badger
in to ~/.ssh/
river apex
๐ where is the folder ~
river apex
yes
next badger
river apex
fkn passwords
next badger
strange that ssh did not made it, and yet there was no errors...
river apex
yeah, worked like a charm in win 7
still cant figure out how to copy this file to that folder
im really a windows guy
ok got it! the file is in the folder!
though, I noticed theres also a PUBLIC key which I dont have
next badger
also, it may be an issue with /ssh prmissions, *nix systems always complain the CHMOD is not set properly
river apex
is there a way for me to validate this thing?
I did manage to set the permission to 600 or something before but it didnt help
manic pawn
4.23 full release tomorrow? 
static viper
thats barely 10 days
static viper
i have my information from the internet
manic pawn
epic never releases unreal on mondays
static viper
its gonna be an epic twist then
rocky bison
when i use the retopologise tool on my landscape, if i go to another tool (e.g. smooth) then UE4 freezes after i release the mouse
river apex
If you scroll up you can see the whole thing
Im trying to set up remote build for Ios
and receive ERROR: Failed to run init commands on remote server macDev. Output = Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).
static viper
i don even know what a remote build is
plush yew
Uhhh I need help with the Unreal Engine 4
river apex
ok so one of the errors from the log presents an interesting clue
<>c.<PrintExceptionInfo>b__4_1: at UnrealBuildTool.RemoteToolChain.InitializeRemoteExecution(Boolean bFlushBuildDir) in D:\Build\++UE4\Sync\Saved\CsTools\Engine\Source\Programs\UnrealBuildTool\ToolChain\RemoteToolChain.cs:line 480
I dont have a D: drive
my engine was installed on D when I strted this project but now I moved it to a different PC and it's installed on C
The project itself moved too
is there anything Im missing when moving a project?
static viper
you can move a project around willy nilly as long as it doesnt have external ressources
like version control
the engine should be in a place where there is space and speed
plush yew
How do I increase the depth of a plane?
static viper
plane depth?
plush yew
Uh yeah
static viper
i dont understand
static viper
its a plane
river apex
plane is a 2d object fam
plush yew
So I can't increase the depth?
static viper
i am literally done.
plush yew
This is my first time I don't know what the fuck I'm doing
river apex
@static viper then why is the log referencing engine files in D?
@plush yew 2d objects have no depth
plush yew
Ok wait so before I touched it, it was like a flat rectangle with a grid pattern
How do I get that back?
When i packaged my game with development and put it on my phone it was all fine. Now i packaged with shipping and distribution enabled and my game is lagging sometimes. Any idea why?
mighty field
@river apex that's the location from where the unreal build tool was compiled from at Epic
river apex
the grid is not attached to the plane, its a level thing
@mighty field omg thank you I thought this issue was way bigger than it is
I still dont understand why the heck I cant remote build
Do you please maybe have an idea?
plush yew
Fuck I pressed something and now my screen is frozen on "Importing Landscaping"
mighty field
Sounds like you got to make sure your ssh keys and all that are in the proper places
river apex
yeah and I think I am, Tho i have no idea about ssh and all that
@plush yew I think you should start here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BR-omD6FZs
mighty field
Google around about passwordless ssh from windows to Mac, gotta learn them Unix shenanigans
river apex
I WILL DIE
plush yew
I was using https://docs.google.com/document/d/19q4MSzOU70Tm1m3ZK8JgKAIPBXbwFvyUbijno0oGvyc/edit# but I don't understand what half of it means
I'm trying to make a map for an already existing game
mighty field
@river apex yes, you will. In the command line.
wary wave
oh boy
Instanced static meshes - you can't set collision enabled / disabled at run time?
this seems... off
crystal wind
Weird I thought you could set stuff like that.
At least when it's wrapped in an actor.
Not that it'd be the most efficient way of using static geometry in all cases >.>
wary wave
yeah, gonna try it on the actor level
but it looks like as a component it just does nothing
which is weird
I don't think this works on an actor level either
feck
crystal wind
I think maybe it would work to make a child static mesh class to help.
But you'd need a way to find said objects of class at runtime.
Oh really?
Holy crap weird.
Well
This is a bit of a hack but you could replace the collision component. Or the static mesh.
wary wave
lol, replace it with 'null'
crystal wind
I was thinking of one that basically was set to "block none"
But having one in the first place is inefficient if your using a lot of these.
wary wave
I have hundreds of instances
crystal wind
Actually it might be possible to remove the component... I know your able to add components at runtime. (might be wrong) I'd think the other way around is possible.
crystal wind
Nice lol.
crystal wind
Hacks for the win lol.
You should be able to set another collision mesh at runtime at least.
wary wave
I don't want to remove the component because it's a toggle visibility+collision function
and no, it uses whatever the default collision is for the mesh
in this case, per-poly is fine
crystal wind
We really need a bullet3d plugin... But it's so damn cancerous to setup.
And add in little features like what you mentioned, and let the user define the broad phase as well >.>
river apex
I keep getting Permission denied WHAT THE FUCK
crystal wind
Your probably setting a uproperty or ufunction for something that's private.
river apex
Im trying to set up remote build for Ios
crystal wind
Ah that's beyond my ability sadly.
river apex
๐ฆ
river apex
Is there anyone here who KNOWS how this Ios thing works and can help me solve this issue?
its been 7 hours
cloud cobalt
What is your question ?
@river apex Explain in depth what your problem is, what you're trying to do and what happens
next badger
@cloud cobalt he's trying to remote compile iOS, but SSH fails for connect
river apex
I am developing an Ios game at work.
Yesterday weve upgraded my pc from win7 to win10 and changed some directories.
We've copied the project files to the newly formatted drive.
The project loads perfectly and the game runs.
Today we've opened the project and set up the remote build with our mac mini same as we did in win7 except today we're receiving this error:
ERROR: Failed to run init commands on remote server macDev. Output = Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).
I am receiveing this error now too:
ERROR: Couldn't find target rules file for target 'UE4Game' in rules assembly 'Slider2ModuleRules, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
static viper
looks ok @plush yew
river apex
I am lost with all this Ios stuff and it's really not covered enoughonline tbh
plush yew
Can someone explain what I did because I just followed a guide and I don't know what any of that means
static viper
the guide can explain you
plush yew
The guide doesn't explain what to do, it just shows it
next badger
@plush yew it's not right...your normals have alphas?
generally you use alpha channel from color as height
plush yew
Where's the alpha channel?
next badger
normals are generally have specific compression format, that has no alpha channel
river apex
@cloud cobalt anything?
plush yew
Do I need an alpha channel?
next badger
@plush yew
static viper
its also on the top ones
next badger
@plush yew here's a proper one http://i.imgur.com/b3VZn6X.png
cloud cobalt
@river apex Sorry, no experience with iOS
plush yew
What the fuck
river apex
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abstract relic
Use documentation next time. It wonโt bite, we promise. https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Engine/Landscape/QuickStart/4/index.html
next badger
@plush yew the normal texture samples you linked generally have no apha channel
plush yew
What does that change?
sudden agate
you cant use the alpha channel from normalmap textures
plush yew
Do I need to use the alpha channel?
next badger
only if you gonna use layer blend...that requires height channel
abstract relic
plush yew
I did something and now I can't save the thing
When I click save the saving starts but then immediately stops
I'll just redo the material nvm
inner cloak
Quick question (i hope), i have a model that i want to mirror on an axis. The first suggestion was to scale by -1 on the axis, but not i wanna "Freeze" that scale so it become positive again. How do i do that ?
sudden agate
wat
crystal wind
@plush yew Your better off using a youtube tutorial for terrain editing honestly. And ease into the documentation. It looks your a bit new to game engine dev in general at least for 3D. Take your time. And if you ask something try to be more specific.
plush yew
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crystal wind
And darkbytepod your probably not in the ideal channel for this to be honest.
There's one for graphics that may be of more help.
plush yew
sleek spear
can i get some help, i converted a project from 4.22 to 4.23 and the scene looks strangely lit
plush yew
bro, if i aint getting help, you ain't
sudden agate
rebuild lighting
sleek spear
and thats how it looks in 4.23 when i remove everything else, all lights etc and i leave only the model
there is no light built, everything is dynamic
static viper
if its dynamic
sudden agate
@plush yew Fix your weights
static viper
then push it abit around
sleek spear
also if i copy everything and paste it to a new scene, it looks like 4.22