@molten path what's in read only mode? are you using source control?
#ue4-general
halcyon flame
latent fable
@halcyon flame Nope, Made the earth and the sun myself. the only thing that is (mostly) a free asset is the earths atmosphere
molten path
i cant make any changes
latent fable
sam
halcyon flame
does anyone know how to force Unreal to render an object? I'm using the depth buffer to show objects that are behind other structures, but they still aren't being rendered until they're almost in regular view
molten path
yes
latent fable
press "stop" at the top
halcyon flame
@molten path you need to stop simulating
latent fable
it will work then
halcyon flame
when you're simulating you can't edit your BP
halcyon flame
@latent fable I'm pretty much just thinking through this, but that lens flare is either from UE4'd default camera stuff or from your atmosphere
turn off the atmosphere and see if it's still there?
latent fable
yeah still there
astral tartan
So if anyone can help i would appreciate, I have thise P_fire emitter in the fireplace, but in game its only visible until the kigs on the tables, anyone know how to increase visiblity range?
light coyote
What do you mean by its only visible when...?, they suddently pop up? The fade to view? They are stationary and the angle makes them visible ?
The picture doesnt show much info to understand
astral tartan
the fire is only visible in a radius that reaches the kegs on the tables, roughly, any further and the fire dissapears
light coyote
Particles cant be properly scaled up with scale tool.
That really needs to be done from de particles editor.
astral tartan
RIP, ok so theres no simple way to increase visiblity distance?
light coyote
I dont know exactly what that means.
Because it may be literaly that, or not at all.
astral tartan
๐ I just want the fire to be visible from any point in the room, but im only get 1/3 of the distance
light coyote
I suggest you open the particle, and experiment with it.
Dont get frustrated, particle editor can be really confusing
astral tartan
yeah i opened this and instantly came to find a UE4 discord, cause google wasnt doing anything for me and I dont want to break it
light coyote
That is what i mean, it could be so many things that could make that happen, obviously even default engine stuff, that that is a really open question.
astral tartan
I see what you mean
light coyote
What i mean is that i never had that isue. And that im think you can make it good in the editor.
But not guaranteed, it may be something else.
rocky bison
why does importing a height map for my ladscape set the pivot point underneath and offset/ how do i fix it
rocky bison
its an unreal engine landscape
as far as im aware i cant just export it without messing up the landscape settings i can have
light coyote
@rocky bison the pivot the objects have in the engine is the 0, 0, 0 of the world it was in.
rocky bison
it was generated in ue4
light coyote
Yes
Just read that
Hmm
Ahhhhh
In heightmaps, black is bottom of height range, white is top
Could it be that there is no black on your heightmap ?
Its just a random thought
rocky bison
yeh im using a displacement map which is much lighter in color than height map
but i still dont get the offset
the pivot is default in the corner
light coyote
Because black would be at the height of the pivot
astral tartan
Hey richard, do you know what the bounds tab is for? specifically what effect the fixed relative bounding box has on the particle?
light coyote
Just grab that heightmap, and darken it in photoshop
Cntr L
But darken the overall, not the contrast, dough you can play with it to,, over all is under
light coyote
I gess yes
Imagine a 2d plane
You have middle as 0, top and right are Y and X positive, left and down are X and Y negative
I was going to say another thing
But yes, in textures is, i belive, allwais bttom left corner(or top?)
rocky bison
ok thanks :}
light coyote
I gess, it makes sense,, maybe is for some other reason
rocky bison
yeh its a bit annoying because i scale it and everything goes off from the corner but oh wel
midnight sparrow
I will try my luck again, i packaged my game to android, to oculus quest and textures looks terrible and its just dark overall.
Any idea? I dont care about performance for now
serene sorrel
That feeling when Hot Reload stops working
stable grail
spark sonnet
Using capsule with a box player?
runic narwhal
TLDR - what's the difference between "Try Get Pawn Owner" vs "Get Player Character" ?
spark sonnet
Why is my box collision triggering overlap on my player when I press play? Its not overlapping
neat forge
Does anyone use headus UVLayout? Is it worth buying?
spark sonnet
This makes no sense. Its not overlapping anything yet it keeps triggering at game start
Managed to fix it by setting the collision to only be pawn. So it works great now ๐
crystal wind
@runic narwhal A pawn is different than a character.
runic narwhal
@crystal wind the pawn is the little pill shaped thing that goes around the character, right?
crystal wind
Nope.
It's worth a google.
One inherits from the other.
It's a polymorphic thing.
autumn elbow
Programming can make us unhappy sometimes. This is for all you wonderful sad people who need a good laugh. https://youtu.be/6AXPnH0C9UA
serene sorrel
@autumn elbow pretty funny
serene sorrel
Ive got a weird, what i assume is a culling issue. If an actor is occluded and becomes visible theres a noticeable "gap" time when it doesnt appear after it being visible
disabling occlusion culling fixes it, but i find it strange its not working properly
crystal wind
It's probably not smart to check for that every frame is my guess, come to think of it probably every major game title has this issue.
Unless I misunderstand you.
You'd want to check like... 1/10th of the meshes per frame
serene sorrel
well i have a building constructed of static meshes, and when one is hidden behind a wall lets say, then you move around the wall to see whats behind it, theres a gap time where the meshes behind arent rendered, so you can see through them
crystal wind
Oof.
serene sorrel
so its like "Still culling" objects which should be visible
crystal wind
Ok so that's not distance based weird.
crystal wind
Come to think of it i've noticed that in tons of games from 7d2d, to rust, to fallout 4...
Wait not fallout woops
Maybe there's a timer to reduce or a setting for... Hmm...
To be honest i'm not sure how to best handle that.
If you can turn it off and back on again in game, then you could set triggers for it maybe.
That somehow feels like a hack though
serene sorrel
its a project setting, it has a couple things you can configure but i dont think it should be happening regardless
its almost like that culling method isnt done per frame
crystal wind
They put work into multithreading the engine more supposedly... Wonder if this is related to some system trying to catch up from lag.
It might be super inefficient to calculate that per frame... Not sure.
I'd consider asking in the programming channel. Wish I knew >.<
serene sorrel
"The primary dynamic occlusion method employed is Hardware Occlusion Queries, which issues visibility checks to the GPU each frame as a query per-Actor. The Actorโs visibility is read back one frame laterโwhich can sometimes have the adverse effect of causing them to โpopโ in if the camera is moving very fast"
from the official documentation
crystal wind
Sounds like a limitation of the gpu honestly.
Unless it's taking multiple frames to get past that effect.
Wait no that's not a limitation that's part of the feature.
It does it one frame later
glossy shoal
serene sorrel
you can
serene sorrel
r.AllowOcclusionQueries=0
serene sorrel
yes, that pop in makes the engine look like a cheap hooker
the other culling methods are still used, just not that dynamic depth buffer one
serene sorrel
I think ill be able to work around Unreal Engines lack of dynamic global illimination by calculating it in my "house" class, work out how many openings there are to outside world and fudge the skylight intensity
vocal flume
Im trying to import a fbx file. The tutorial im following says use import rigid mesh option but I donโt see that option in the fbx import window. Iโm using 4.22.
Is this a bug?
crystal wind
Try importing without messing with that option?
The import settings has changed over the years to make it easer.
crystal wind
Welcome.
Yeah there used to be a bit of hell for example the mesh would come in at a 90 degree offset.
Or it'd not import properly at all >.>
Especially with fbx files.
And it used to not import animations/mats automatically >.>
runic narwhal
How can I see what animation blueprint a character is using?
Can't find it anywhere
crystal wind
I've not been able to figure that out either.
runic narwhal
It's under Mesh
Just found it
Now, apparently, my blendspace is all jacked up and my dude is skating across the ground.
crystal wind
Ohhh animation "bp" woops yeah >.<
runic narwhal
Is it not best practice to have a blendspace that covers everything from idle to running?
crystal wind
Idle to running is ok, but mixing things in like jumping/melee usually takes montages.
runic narwhal
Right, I don't have any of that yet.
But I'm still skating all over the place, and I can't tell any difference between mine and the starter anim pack
It's literally this and nothing else.
I don't know how much more simple I can make it lol
dim plover
Are settings menus supposed to be more complex than most of the gameplay mechanics? ๐
It's really quite cumbersome.
runic narwhal
I finally figured it out, but man, hours wasted on tiny little things like this
plush yew
my render camera keeps cutting to a random spot staring at a wall in the middle of a movement, i dont know what its doing it but its really annoying
its showing me two completely different things the filmback picture in picture is correct the render is completely wrong
deleting the camera that was causing the issue and starting new fixed it, still, it cuts back to a blank wall on the last frame, bizarre
crystal wind
Try making an inventory system and say it's more complex than gameplay mechanics ๐
crystal wind
Wish you luck with that o/
warm swallow
Wait are we claiming making an inventory system is complex?
autumn elbow
It's not too difficult
warm swallow
maybe i misread
autumn elbow
I need to spawn build items later... that is super difficult
warm swallow
What type of inventory system are you building?
autumn elbow
Not sure about the decals. You gotta try it.
Just a normal inventory
My player character will be collecting parts..hundreds of parts which they can build tools and weapons
1 inventory will be for the parts collected, another will be for the tools/weapons created.
I was, and possible still am having trouble storing the build items, and then spawning it all attached correctly.
I took a short break from it. Back on it now. Deep breaths lol
warm swallow
Can I ask how you have your data structure setup for item???
autumn elbow
well..the main parts are the parent class, self class and transform
I have got some pointers from the fine folks here, just haven't tried them yet.
What are your thoughts... if u have the time to chat. ๐
I spawn all the blocks in the Array, then I need to attach them together somehow
so yea..still working on it ๐
light coyote
@midnight sparrow I think your problem with the scene darkening might be eye adaptation.
You can turn it off in top left ov viewport, somwhere there you will find eye adaptation wich is enabled by default.
However, that is only in editing you disabled it, to fully disable it you need to do it from i belive it was a post process volume,, you will find a min and max value, they have to be the same value so no adaptayion ocurrs,, maybe a 2 in both is ok,, but you have to test.
If its not there it was in world settings or something like that.
@autumn elbow I remember your project.
Im intrested in seeing it work, looks intresting.
Do you think, ยฟMaybe is better to have an empthy BP called weapons?
crystal wind
Ah see NIKY is doing a simple inventory, mine's not that far ahead but it's a general purpose system... That's supposed to be really easy to extend.
light coyote
I dont know, you are the one testing and testing, im just trowing the hot potato xD
light coyote
I mean, not any piece be a parent of any other.
Rather, all meshes are a child of an emphty.
autumn elbow
I have one parent object and everything else connects to it
light coyote
Maybe is a terrible idea, maybe is ok, i do not know, i have never tried to do what you are intending.
autumn elbow
I've never tried it also, but I wrote it down.
Empty BP, then use AddChildActor
That's an idea to try.
autumn elbow
Example case of?
light coyote
Maybe they are no advantages.
I thought it may be diffrent, than having a parent with mesh and properties.
Maybe there is no diffrence at all
autumn elbow
I'm basically making Kerbal Space Program mechanics, Koi
crystal wind
In programming composition often can act like polymorphism if done right... In c at least.
Err
No
Inheritance
Not polymorphism.
Ohhh.
light coyote
XD
crystal wind
You'll want to attach components generally yeah, actor components for different parts and such can help a lot.
autumn elbow
Yea.
crystal wind
I really shoulda read chat before jumping in >.<
autumn elbow
Naaa.. you're good
light coyote
Not at all
autumn elbow
The challenge is spawning them in the correct order so that the parent they will connect to exists
I can spawn them all and then in a separate process run the attach function, but that's too many loops. I feel dirty doing it that way. LoL
light coyote
What is your issue.
When you hit play right ?
autumn elbow
Huh?
light coyote
I dont understand how your spawning in correct order problem arises
crystal wind
Ah you can use little "node" components in your actor, and at begin play spawn at those locations
But it does feel hacky
light coyote
You mean when its allready built and saved, and then, want to spawn right ?
autumn elbow
When I store the built configuration, it stores in an array.
How it stores it is determined by Unreal
the order it is stored in the array is determined by Unreal. (Using GetAllAttachedActors node)
amber girder
damn, why is everything i want to do such a huge undertaking.... Spline decals: 14 pages on the forum and no solution
autumn elbow
When I spawn, it starts at the beginning of the Array, index 0, and then continues.
light coyote
Can you, in your situation, know which is the parent, and get child, get child, get... if child = null, then nothing else to do
I mean, work down hierarchy
autumn elbow
That's what the GetAttachActors does
crystal wind
Algo you ever look at beginners struggle so hard on the basic stuff and compare it to how you are now? And wonder like... Is the rabbit hole ever gonna end.
autumn elbow
Hahaha no... it never ends
crystal wind
Tis endless fun/cancer.
autumn elbow
The more advance you get in the game, the less help you get.
crystal wind
No difference, I never searched for personal help till like this year ๐
Dude like i didn't know places like this existed.
autumn elbow
like my cubes... looks simple, but it took me 2 months to get it to attach... cleanly.
crystal wind
"cleanly" there's the center of the rabbit hole~
autumn elbow
The underlying mechanics is math heavy
Yea.. CLEANLY
Key for performance
Especially formVR
This is also my first solo game
crystal wind
twitches eye
autumn elbow
๐
crystal wind
I'm jellious now.
autumn elbow
why?
crystal wind
The majority of the stuff I did was alone >.<
serene sorrel
@autumn elbow you got any sshots
crystal wind
Take one down, pass it around.
autumn elbow
I mean I worked in game dev
crystal wind
O . O
autumn elbow
This is me breaking off and doing my own game. Hahaha
crystal wind
Maybe it's social skills that's usually most helpful...
autumn elbow
@serene sorrel shots?
This place is great for social
Come here .. talk.. get ideas
Make friends
serene sorrel
screenshots of the cubes lining up nicely
crystal wind
There's been like three people that tried friend requesting me after I helped them... Maybe I should actually put them in a little team together and do something super flipping basic.
Oh dude this is nice.
serene sorrel
nice, what did you use? sockets?
light coyote
@crystal wind Everyone is surviving in this world, everyone has its own way, no one is inmune to social pressures of any that may be.
autumn elbow
Naaa...sockets are too heavy
crystal wind
I wonder if a linked list kind of thing would work...
Depending on how flexible you want it.
autumn elbow
it's just sphere collisions
amber girder
@crystal wind the rabbit hole is very deep. But it gets better when you know the quirks (speak bugs) of the engine
crystal wind
Even past that point
Debugging has gotten easy.
You've seen me talk a while, unfortunately I've a desire to make sandboxy stuff.
autumn elbow
Dude... copy and paste has screwed me over so many times. My new rule is to never copy paste
crystal wind
Things which are... Not a good first "public" project.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind sandboxxy stuff is great, i think even someone who makes a good sandbox game can still enjoy playing it
crystal wind
Actually that's the only thing I can see myself enjoying while making.
Creative potential of a game is the most appealing.
amber girder
look at factorio for example. simple sandbox, but hell it is a time sink
crystal wind
Funny you mention that >.<
They actually optimized the shit out of it
It's the only indie game i'm proud of.
amber girder
yea, they're very good
serene sorrel
Nearly all the best indie games are sandbox games, its partly because the AAA teams have stopped doing it
if you want "gun on rails" gameplay you pretty much play some AAA crap
crystal wind
Yet they get all the optimizations >.>
serene sorrel
they have to look pretty to make sales
crystal wind
7d2d and rust are... Comparitivaly behind.
serene sorrel
because the gameplay is as shallow as a puddle
crystal wind
Yeah the visuals never appealed honestly.
serene sorrel
not many big publishers actually make decent games, rockstar is the biggest exception i think
crystal wind
Personally speaking
The fallout series after bethesda got a hold of it is fairly decent. Maybe not the best but definitely ahead of the AAA pack.
serene sorrel
and a lot of their gameplay is sandboxxy in nature, GTA and RED DEAD
serene sorrel
yeah fallout is the same, open world
crystal wind
Holy crap
serene sorrel
Fallout 76 has kinda soured a lot of people on bethesda though
they literally just used the same shit engine from fallout 3, a decade later, kinda funny
crystal wind
Zenimax in general has been a bit shady.
As far as being sue happy goes. Or so it seems.
serene sorrel
the engine in fallout 3 was dated for 2009, let alone 2019
its just the gameplay in fallout 3 made up for it
crystal wind
For the time it was really nice to mod.
Woops
Thinking nv not tried modding 3
But I think they both use geck
serene sorrel
yeah they have been modding friendly for a while, back to morrowind or before maybe
crystal wind
Hooooly
Hmm I wonder what platfrom it was targeting, maybe the new engine wasn't capable of working on some devices.
serene sorrel
having a "loading screen" for entering a simple house in 2009 was dated, already had games back then with pure open worlds that streamed in, but they still kept at this in 2019
crystal wind
Oof.
serene sorrel
ruins immersion in an open world game where you have these loading screens everywhere, makes the world feel disconnected i think
radiant haven
Has someone ever used multi user editing
crystal wind
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE
Funny you mentioned it
I very very very very much want to try it.
radiant haven
what
crystal wind
Begged for that crap like 4 years ago or whenever the hell.
radiant haven
??
crystal wind
Have you never played halo forge?
radiant haven
no
crystal wind
That explains it >.<
So many haven't >.<
Having multiple people edit the same level at the same time is beyond entertaining.
Actually makes the process way more productive.
Now i've not tried this feature yet, been waiting to find someone to test it with.
Didn't even find out till someone mentioned it like a couple days ago.
So are you asking about the basic idea behind it?
Hopefully you forgive my hyperbole attitude.
crystal wind
The videos alone have me hooked >.<
light coyote
Just think that that feature is one that development studios really need
crystal wind
I swear it is >.<
If you've ever done level design that way before with a friend you'd be hooked.
radiant haven
has someone ever done huge maps
crystal wind
Besides ark?~ hehe.
radiant haven
space maps
serene sorrel
donno, development studios usually have enough levels and people to spread the workload so one person gets a level each, right?
crystal wind
You can make the engine do whatever you want with enough skill really.
Well...
Here's the thing...
serene sorrel
theres usually like 10 modellers to each level designer
crystal wind
When you have two people working REALTIME in the same level, inspiration, and goof balling ensues, making for a more entertaining map at the end.
light coyote
@serene sorrel But they work on the same project with all those levels in it
Regardless, they must have a propper way of dealing with that, im pretty sure
serene sorrel
@light coyote right, but are you talking about them editing the same level or different ones
crystal wind
You have to play with garry's mod or halo forge to understand why
serene sorrel
@crystal wind i think thats a different thing than developers making levels though
radiant haven
i play gmod
serene sorrel
youre talking about fun, vs making a product ๐
crystal wind
It's roughly the same thing, your making a level, and playtesting it together. Sharing concepts as you go, for rts or things where there's stratagy involved it's helpful
If only you guys would have touched halo forge in the day >.<
The community maps were insane
serene sorrel
Yeah donno, i havent heard much about multiple people making the same level but maybe its the future
light coyote
But what is ment here i belive is the conflict of saving the same level more than 1 person is working at the same time.
There must be something implemented, or workflow recomendations, to avoid that conflict, im sure.
crystal wind
Perhaps, they save the level in stages. Err i mean they do it so that each save is kept and unique, so incase you have to you can go back.
And it's done in a non conflicting manner.
light coyote
@radiant haven for huge maps maybe is better to reduce by a certain factor everything else in terms of the units making more intuitive sense
serene sorrel
donno, im more a procedural guy myself, i dont like the concept of hand made levels anyhow ๐
crystal wind
Example only one person can move an object at a time, it's locked from other's, if your both starting the level together it's fine as well.
light coyote
So maybe a planet is a couple 100m wide, but i dont know
crystal wind
Depending on what he want,s if he wants it procedural he'll have to code a lot himself.
light coyote
And you scaled down everything else by 10 thousand times less or whatever
crystal wind
Emperian might give ideas.
You can't store a solar system entirely, and you can't store it in one giant arse level.
For one, big maps have issues with physics.
Since float accuracy sucks with larger numbers.
serene sorrel
unreal engine added basic support for the repositioning of objects around 0,0,0 though
theres multiple techniques you can use to do large scales, especially space stuff, but i dont think UE out of the box is built for this
crystal wind
You'll have to code a way to move them near that point, they'd have to be in their own game level of sorts, not aware of other levels.
I doubt it is either honestly... If your skilled enough though it doesn't matter.
Unity for sure has the same issues.
viral fractal
UE4 struggles with big worlds, But yea possibility is there
serene sorrel
i coded my own engine once that repositioned everything around the origin, regardless of where you are, but if you dont build the engine from the ground up like that it gets a bit hacky
crystal wind
If you try making this multiplayer you may end up avoiding a lot of ue4 features such as the Actors, maybe even replication not sure on that...
light coyote
@radiant haven i have to go for a bit,, but yes, i will finish watching the video latter, i also love spacey stuff :)
And is one of those things i want to do one day
serene sorrel
Is there any large scale space game done in UE already?
light coyote
There must be something
crystal wind
I think star made is as well.
And that engine is not built for that stuff out of the box.
Even less so.
serene sorrel
Well unity is even worse than UE at large scales by default, but it goes to show youll be doing a lot of your own work if you want a "more unique" type game
light coyote
Do you guys want to see one of the coolest thing space related ive seen
serene sorrel
even now in 2019 UE isnt designed well for procedural open world games
light coyote
Give me a sec
crystal wind
Sure go for it.
It may help if yo ustart in 2D first, and build your own engine.
To get a feel for how the process works.
light coyote
viral fractal
From my experience, unreal gets hard trouble with any world bigger than 8x8km
light coyote
Ok, is this wayyyyyy coooool
serene sorrel
@viral fractal well thats the largest size the landscape supports right now too right? ๐
light coyote
Or is it just me xDDD
serene sorrel
at default scale i believe so
crystal wind
Woah dude my eyes.
serene sorrel
besides the world composition feature which puts everything around origin
viral fractal
Dont know
serene sorrel
still cant properly run time generate a landscape with UE
i believe its technically possible now with some hacks but its very ugly
viral fractal
There are very few engines Out There that are capable of that
serene sorrel
they pretty much only add features that benefit the games they are making, and they are targeting consoles too which limits the PC master race
viral fractal
Maybe next Gen consoles will be a Lot faster, that would help
serene sorrel
run time generation of landscapes? well lots of indie stuff does it already even in UE and Unity, they just code it themselves pretty much
viral fractal
Kinda
serene sorrel
Epic just hasnt done any game which has required it , so it gets put on the back burner
viral fractal
Procedural fortnite 
serene sorrel
WHEN
theyve made a lot of money with it they can surely do that in the next month, fingers crossed ๐
viral fractal
Fortnite seems to be the only game epic is interested in
serene sorrel
they are still pushing static lighting in recent demos and tutorials, its just so ancient
hopefully the next gen consoles forces them to consider the dynamic stuff more
viral fractal
Well their poor devs crunch hard each month anyways
serene sorrel
on more static methods yeah, to make mobile phones and consoles look good
viral fractal
Static lighting is some dinosaur shit
serene sorrel
half the shit you see on youtube from UE4 that looks VERY good, is all static stuff, which its good at
its very average at dynamic
viral fractal
Yes the dynamic lighting in UE sucks
serene sorrel
but its possible this will improve in the next year with raytracing and all that, lets hope
viral fractal
I dont think so
serene sorrel
yeah look, we are talking about hope here, UE has barely changed on the dynamic front in the last 2 years that ive seen
viral fractal
Epic seems to only adapt nvidias raytracing Shit, wich performs ass and is expensive
serene sorrel
but next gen consoles are hitting, and raytracing is kinda here, so lets hope
AMD has raytracing in both consoles , coming out next year, so itll be standardized soon-ish
crystal wind
There's interesting tech coming in play software wise as well...
Voxels are advancing a lot
serene sorrel
Epic pretty much cares about console level hardware about 90%, the PC master race about 1%
crystal wind
Well that's where the market kinda is to be fair.
serene sorrel
well exactly
crystal wind
It's difficult to support that stuff but it's needed.
honestly though.
My pc is worse than any modern console.
serene sorrel
Ryzen cpus have given the mainstream way more power in the CPU, raytracing support in GPU is standardized within next year, good times for indies i think
crystal wind
And i'm not really complaining, but then again I'm not one to care for high res stuff.
Oof that means more lazy indies >.<
viral fractal
The engine we are using in the Studio does not even have any static lighting, and runs even on android
serene sorrel
we just have to hope Epic gets its shit together with dynamic stuff within the next year or it'll be left behind
crystal wind
What exactly is wrong with it?
I'm not sure.
The stationary light kinda excited me >.<
serene sorrel
Unity is about to push its new ECS which allows much greater parallelism and much higher actor/gameobject count on the CPU
its very possible unity will be faster than UE4 when it comes to objects when that happens
even though its c#
crystal wind
I could do that with a proper c++ lib for the specific features i'd need, but not sure what could be accomplished if it was done at a more engine level.
crystal wind
Naaaa does c# REALLY let you do c style structs?
crystal wind
Where you can have an array of objects NOT an array of pointers to them?
ECS is really powerful
serene sorrel
ECS isnt default yet though
crystal wind
But it's advantage is linear access, keeping stuff in the cache line, avoiding indirection.
serene sorrel
they should have already been doing ECS since 8 years anyhow, but they stagnated for no obvious reason
same with UE
crystal wind
Which in my book is good things to reach for. I don't think C# can really take full advantage though. I'm not sure.
serene sorrel
all these games have "hacks" to work around the very obvious limitations in the UE and Unity engines
viral fractal
Just dont Use those 
crystal wind
Well yes the engines are meant for fast prototyping nothing more.
serene sorrel
but Chaos physics is coming (soon?) to UE which at least gives us a different TICK rate for physics
i mean that should have been in there from the start, but small beginnings
viral fractal
Oh, finally, other engines have that since 2005ish
crystal wind
I read about it, it's supposed to be a lot better about being multithreaded, intel has done research on this >.>
serene sorrel
@viral fractal well yeah, but its UE and Unity, they are "main stream" engines bro
crystal wind
Unity was stuck in flipping Physx though and the last time i tried it... it was shit.
viral fractal
Dont know If the engine we use counts as Main Stream too
serene sorrel
Cryengine?
viral fractal
Modified CryEngine 5.6
serene sorrel
thats the only good commercial engine which has GI done right
viral fractal
Yep
crystal wind
As far as physics goes though, honestly long term you'd probably like to hack the engine apart anyway, since ue defaults ot octrees. Which might not be ideal.
serene sorrel
which should just be a standard feature by 2019 but we have to keep praying
crystal wind
These are general purpose tools.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind what does Chaos use?
crystal wind
Good for prototyping not optimizing unless you hack them apart.
viral fractal
Unreal needs to get rid of all the bloat that makes it slooow at everything
serene sorrel
it sounds to me like chaos is built fairly modern, i have hope its decent
crystal wind
I'm actually not sure how they do broad phase, i think bullet actually gives you options. UE just defaults to octree.
serene sorrel
lol bullet, i mean yeah, dont use the best open source physics engine example bro it makes the commercial stuff look bad
crystal wind
That's what ue4 uses >.<
At least i'd assume so since when I looked at the source a couple years ago i found it's folder
But the octree...
Looks like it may be custom i'm not sure.
serene sorrel
i thought it was PhysX but i donno i didnt look deep into it
crystal wind
Oof you may be right
viral fractal
I hate Nvidia
serene sorrel
yeah i used bullet in my engine anyhow, i found it quite easy to have it in its own thread, doing physics at whatever tick rate you wanted
physics in UE is still done in same thread i believe
chaos has it in its own thread though
crystal wind
Correct physics is merged with tickrate.
Which is your fps.
You can emulate some speration
serene sorrel
Sounds like 2005
crystal wind
So that bad lag won't hurt your physics as much.
viral fractal
I mean, its officially confirmed that they hold Back their own GPUs to be able to do some Software settings and give it 10% more Power and Raise price
Or the new Driver with that big Performance boost as a counter to AMD
serene sorrel
@viral fractal well its like Intel the last 10 years, giving us 2% more improvement each year, I had a CPU in 2009 from intel with triple chan memory that didnt need replacing for the last decade essentially
crystal wind
In fairness a company can do what it want with it's own products legally, maybe morally speaking. But at the same it does feel like crap for em to do that >.<
serene sorrel
the I7 920
serene sorrel
Hello Ryzen 3000
crystal wind
They are adding more hardware, but they really can't shrink the die any further.
It just can't happen.
serene sorrel
they are shrinking them further, i think you mean single core performance isnt changing much, which it isnt
crystal wind
As far as the transistors goes yeah those aren't getting better.
viral fractal
The Nvidia raytracing implementation is also Shit
serene sorrel
why
crystal wind
Raytracing is naturally expensive though to be fair.
viral fractal
Performs so bad
serene sorrel
raytracing is expensive though
viral fractal
CryEngine Team made their own Hardware and Software Independent raytracing implementation, it Outperforms Nvidia by far
serene sorrel
1st gen raytracing hardware is going to do a shit job at it, probably need 3rd/4th gen until we see it working well
serene sorrel
but you dont push hardware without doing a first generation of something
even if its not very useable
crystal wind
Hehe reminds me of the ps1 era.
They didn't have floating point numbers by the way.
Besides a few niche consoles sold in japan at first.
viral fractal
My Game already uses Entirely real time GI and real time raytraced reflections ion a 600kmยฒ map
Runs fine on amd vega 56
crystal wind
You should look at some voxel tech, that's gonna blow everything else out of the water, already does with static lighting.
viral fractal
Its SVOGI
crystal wind
Mechanically speaking it's already way more fun.
viral fractal
Voxel based
crystal wind
Your probably right.
I'm still trying to figure out how the hell THIS exists...
Not for "looks"
But for the physics part.
As far as looks there's better examples.
Waaay better examples that already make everything else look like crap >.>
I don't have the patience to code a graphics engine... I suck at math, but physics and a general open world game engine with ecs and networking... Or something like this... Would be so damn fun.
I'd kill for this engine.
serene sorrel
Programmable shaders were pretty shit for the first few gens too, until the hardware was powerful enough
i think people just expect nvidia raytracing to be perfect from day 1 , and i dont like nvidia, but it doesnt really work like that
crystal wind
Generally it's a slow process yeah.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind nice video, looks very nice
crystal wind
People complain about stuff like wow for example when it comes to mechanics and bugs but... Man that stuff takes so much man hours and trial and error to get right.
Dude someone else in i think lounge posted this a few days ago
It's flipping epic though!
serene sorrel
its one guy just doing dynamic stuff with voxels ?
and we have these AAA engines with 2005 features ๐
crystal wind
Dude I know right?
I was able to get like near 1k dynamic bullets in a custom 2d bullethell game moving around smoothly, and they were all check everything near them not just for example players/walls.
That was with a piss poor engine I built many years ago.
Actually na it wasn't perfectly smooth.
But if you have a well defined set of goals, and have the will power to push through, or already have a prototype, doing more custom stuff just makes it so much nicer.
serene sorrel
well when i learnt the UE and Unity ways of doing things, it always got me how static they default everything to be. Being an indie im more procedural and sandboxxy because those are the gametypes that interest me due to not being low iq
crystal wind
And sadly those are the hardest >.< I think factorio was done in pure c by the way.
Might be wrong
serene sorrel
@urban canopy just get into it, you learn by doing
urban canopy
@serene sorrel into what?
serene sorrel
factorio is c++ i believe, but they did their own engine from allegro initially, i think its custom now
crystal wind
Grab a copy of the engine, and follow ue4's basic tutorials.
Don't expect to do openworld or the like
Just start reeeeeeeally small.
serene sorrel
@urban canopy just do some tutorials, you have to learn how UE does things regardless of your prior experience (even if none)
serene sorrel
@urban canopy why would you think you should be able to?
crystal wind
That's the point of the tutorials, and google, to follow along till you nderstand a bit more with time.
There is no fast fix for this.
serene sorrel
bro i have like 20+ years of C++ coding, my own engines, etc, but i still had to learn how blueprints worked, how UE works, etc
urban canopy
oh
crystal wind
Even written ones are fine.
serene sorrel
yeah just follow some video tutorials, you can do a lot of shit very easily in UE, youll have fun
and if you stick at it, maybe make some money selling a product
crystal wind
If your a beginner to programming expect to take a long time with this. So scale down your expectations, but have fun.
serene sorrel
High expectations is what gets newbies through the hardness ๐
crystal wind
Honestly you might be right.
I'm grumpy and old ๐
Have spent so many damn years doing this crap
Prototyped so damn much, none of it got the public's attention.
urban canopy
how long you learned with this UE?
crystal wind
Most of my experience is with personally made game engines.
But i've been mesing with ue4 all the way back, and have even messed with UDK
crystal wind
Which if your not aware udk is old as shit and was used to make... Crap I forget. Feels like it's 6 years since ue4 came out though.
You don't "have" to.
And if you keep your scale super small you don't need to bother.
It does help though.
Even if you don't use it.
Programming knowledge just helps.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind i think its more about the new generation just generally having a more goldfish mentality and giving up quicker if they dont get AAA results
urban canopy
ill try to learn from youtube
serene sorrel
its hard to put yourself into the place of the new generation that have had a tablet or phone in front of their face since 3yo
crystal wind
I had a ps1 since it was a thing as a child though >.>
But...
Yeah it's different.
midnight sparrow
Hey, anyone with experience with oculus quest? Im doing a simple archiviz and i need it to look as good as possible, but when i package my project and open it in oculus texture quality is terrible, and its pretty dark
serene sorrel
yeah i had atari and sega too, but new shit is a lot more addicting and parents usually wanted their TV back after some time
@midnight sparrow the darkness can be fixed but maybe the quality cant, depends on the issue though
crystal wind
Yeah the 90s was the generation that was pretty much left alone supposedly, which is truthful in my case... Had to learn everything myself. Different world.
I always wondered if phones and tablets would just blind people from the complexities behind stuff... Like how new cars prevent people from learning how to repair their cars simply cause it's so locked down.
serene sorrel
the occulus quest isnt exactly some beast powerhouse VR hardware, optimizations have to be made
midnight sparrow
@serene sorrel The texture resolution is terrible even though its a tilable texture. The ceiling and the carpet are pretty low res
crystal wind
That's low rez?
crystal wind
That's 512 or 1024 right?
serene sorrel
looks like lower texture res being used on the ceiling yeah
midnight sparrow
should be 1024 i think. Yea sure as hell, its terrible ๐
crystal wind
My eyes are really bad >.<
serene sorrel
yes that looks very low quality versions of what you have in the other scene
highly mipmapped
crystal wind
Ohh the baked shadows?
serene sorrel
not sure what those other spotches are in the middle though
the normal map being mipmapped to hell too?
midnight sparrow
what is mippmapped ๐
serene sorrel
where a lower resolution texture is used in place of the original
crystal wind
Sounds like it's for LOD stuff.
midnight sparrow
alright, the floor and the ceiling are like the most visible parts regarding to texture resolutions
serene sorrel
but it could just be the android stuff by default uses much lower resolution texture of what you provided, not sure, never done an android export
midnight sparrow
Fixing those two would be the most important
serene sorrel
does it use a normal map the ceiling?
midnight sparrow
Yes it does
crystal wind
Androids have very limited resources... 1024 even seems high to me...
serene sorrel
try disabling that, see if the spotches disappear
thats the worst effect i can see in the lower resolution version, those weird dark spots
midnight sparrow
Koi, do you thikn if i use 512 instead it could look better in export?
crystal wind
Na not that exactly.
I'm just impressed if a phone can render a 1024
It could i guess.
I don't own an android.
crystal wind
Dude i can't afford a phone ๐
midnight sparrow
crystal wind
Holy crap wow.
serene sorrel
thats iphone 1 type stuff ๐
serene sorrel
@midnight sparrow you are that is all static stuff right? I assume your scene is too
midnight sparrow
My scene is all static and takes like 2ms/frame on my vega64 and ryzen 7
But still a pretty high fps
crystal wind
Still not bad.
midnight sparrow
and spotches are just becouse of the low res i think
serene sorrel
is there no texture quality settings for export ?
it looks like its using some very very low res version for android given what you just showed
midnight sparrow
I have oculus quest.
I would like to know i wasnt able to google much
serene sorrel
looks like your 1024 texture is being sampled at 128pixels roughly speaking
midnight sparrow
Well and do you know someone experienced with android? Deadline is behind the doors and i didnt take this to concideration ๐
crystal wind
CPP "might" have something if not but not sure...
I just know that there's some folks there with some intimate engine knowledge.
midnight sparrow
cpp is a person?
midnight sparrow
Alright i will try it in other channels thank, thanks
crystal wind
But they seem well versed in engine knowledge if all the other channels fail.
serene sorrel
@midnight sparrow how are you taking the android screenshot
midnight sparrow
sharing to phone through oculus app
serene sorrel
have you tried another phone/device
midnight sparrow
I wasnt able to instal it on my phone. Are you supposed to connect device and install it on the PC?
This is how i do it with oculus
This is how the packaging looks
serene sorrel
one thing you could try, donno how effective but i know youre on a deadline, is to downsample that texture yourself from 1024xwhatever to like 256xwhatevr
in a paint program
midnight sparrow
yea came in to my mind, i will try it with all textures to 512 first
serene sorrel
yah try it and see what happens, good luxck
midnight sparrow
and what about that darkness?
serene sorrel
adjust the skylight intensity as an easy fix
midnight sparrow
I think its not using post procces volume thinking of it
i lowered the exposure
crystal wind
O . O Oh my god it does use PhysX in the source...
serene sorrel
yeah i disable those features even on PC because they are awful
auto exposure looks like shit
midnight sparrow
im not using autoexposure i just lowered it to make it bright
serene sorrel
you turn the camera 10 degrees and the scene is 50% brighter, makes you wonder what is happening
crystal wind
You mean that thing that adjusts brightness based on the amount of light hitting the camera?
Yeah I turn that crap off >.<
It's meant to be use for caves.
serene sorrel
it looks embarrassing on my pc, i turned it off things looked normal
crystal wind
Even the guys that made mgs5's engine pointed out the flaw in that approach... Lighting is hard to make look right and that's one thing that doesn't help.
serene sorrel
fog and such make it act weird
but if the scene is getting brighter/darker just from turning (not moving) it can certainly look extremely odd
crystal wind
Hmm interesting I might try that setting.
midnight sparrow
Then you can set it to same or similiar values. i just wanted to regulate the light intensity without a baking again
Becouse lighting interior in unreal is not that easy. I dont use skylight at all. it makes it look flat
serene sorrel
@midnight sparrow yes UE has no Global illumination so we are stuck with such things
midnight sparrow
It has, just not realtime ๐
serene sorrel
lol
midnight sparrow
so i have everything static
midnight sparrow
also i can probably say goodbye to a frosted glass on android ๐ :{{
midnight sparrow
quest is completaly different thing
serene sorrel
i know, its them trying to compete with the low end VR maker people
its just the "high end" VR isnt even that great yet
midnight sparrow
Its like a console. Standalone wireless. just for a simple people that want to play beatsaber
and pretty cheap
serene sorrel
yeah
midnight sparrow
i bet you spent more on your phone than quest costs
serene sorrel
like people strapping a phone to their head
i just think for realistic VR you need high quality screens and GPUS to push the frames needed to not feel ill
why do you want to play tron like VR, not really my use case for it i guess
midnight sparrow
yea, but this is actually pretty great and i think this is the way to make VR popular.
You have two controlers, they work great without using any external sensors.
You have built in cameras to oculus so when you come close to wall you can actually see outside
crystal wind
The only vr i tried was the thing where you put in the phone and it magnifiers it... As someone who's super light sensitive it makes it so easy to see stuff.
I wish I had one for the pc so coding would be easier.
serene sorrel
well thats stuff thats not related to the screens or hardware pushing the frames, something that should be in every VR thing ๐
good controls, high resolution displays, high frame rate
midnight sparrow
Oculus quest isnt ofc meant for high end games, but just for arcade games like beatsaber or some stylized shit
serene sorrel
i mean beatsaber is like some 1990s type game bro
midnight sparrow
Yea doesnt matter, it just feels great to be a ninja ๐
serene sorrel
when people think "VR" in 2019 they dont think 1983 tron graphics
crystal wind
Hey do you think office jobs especially programming ones wouldn't mind if you used VR to work more efficiently? Since I think that'd help keep out the annoying bright friggin office lights.
Funny vr is so damn old.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind not while the screen resolution is so low, youll go mad programming on such a thing, you can see the individual pixels very easily
crystal wind
I doubt that ๐
serene sorrel
theres no VR headset with CRT display bro ๐
radiant haven
click the link dierectly u will be in a sec
crystal wind
What is crt?
serene sorrel
nvm ๐
toxic hatch
I turned on raytraceing and direct x 12 in my project settings and then turned on raytraced reflections in my post process volume but my sphere reflection captures still effect the scene. Am I supposed to delete them all or still use them in raytracing as well?
crystal wind
By analog tv i mean the super low res box tv's from the 90s
I actually have one >.<
crystal wind
Ohh make sense thanks.
serene sorrel
@toxic hatch make sure you disable as much static stuff as possible
crystal wind
The vr headset that just magnified a phone screen already looked an improvement over working in a bright area >.<
I'm really near sighted to.
toxic hatch
what do you mean by static stuff? like static lights?
serene sorrel
make your lights movable, disable static lighting, etc, otherwise why would the raytracing kick in
skylight -> movable
toxic hatch
Okay that makes sense
serene sorrel
who has stationary geometry in 2019 bro ๐
crystal wind
No stationary lights work with moveable objects.
They work better than dynamic lights.
Or according to my last test.
crystal wind
No it' snot static
It's like some weird mix of the two.
Stationary lights work fine with dynamic objects, the shadows move as expected.
serene sorrel
stationary lights is static geometry
crystal wind
They use some kind of optimization to take advantage of the light never moving, i'm not sure what.
serene sorrel
the lights dont move, hence they are static
crystal wind
But they can still cast dynamic shadows
midnight sparrow
Koi is right i think. the light cant move but it doesnt bake shadows for movable objects
crystal wind
^
midnight sparrow
so it works dynamicly only where needed
crystal wind
I suspect it optimizes even more for dynamic shadows than dynamic lights do.
Had some interesting tests a while ago...
But it might have been that some geometry was static and I goofed.
midnight sparrow
Im just looking forward for the future rtx where you dont have to worry about some lighting, building and this shit and you just put a light there and everything is beautiful out of the box
crystal wind
Static light baking is so damn expensive for the dev, but it's so optimized.
midnight sparrow
Yea, i have simple scene which takes like 20 minutes to build. it kills a day like nothing
and its pretty fast, but its a simple archiviz
crystal wind
I'm running on a quad form 8 years ago that's worth basically shit ๐
I know it sucks.
Dude I can't even see 4k rez >.<
radiant haven
well no
serene sorrel
@midnight sparrow yes when the light isnt set to dynamic , it bakes shadows and lighting into the level
radiant haven
mine looses quality
midnight sparrow
in editor or in export?
radiant haven
editor
serene sorrel
you can have static lights, that affect static geometry and dynamic geometry, it doesnt change what i said though
radiant haven
like the earth
midnight sparrow
thats probably due to scalability
crystal wind
Stationary lights aren't static nor dynamic lights. It's like a mix of both with extra features.
radiant haven
hang on
midnight sparrow
serene sorrel
only a static scene has static lights, which is my point
serene sorrel
you can have dynamic actors in a static scene, thats the UE default way of doing things, to make things look good very cheaply
but a dynamic "scene" doesnt have static "lights" because you cannot know where lights are going to be, or not going to be
static viper
eath is low res
crystal wind
If stationary lights actually optimize dynamic lighting better than pure dynamic lights... They may still be better to use for spawning light sources assuming they dont' move around much.
radiant haven
yes
crystal wind
Maybe.
static viper
earth in blender looks really bad
serene sorrel
@crystal wind hmm? UE is optimized to look very good with static geometry and known levels, not dynamic stuff
crystal wind
It helps turning the shadowing down, but generally yeah ther'es issues there, but i really want to test if a stationary light can do dynamic lighting better than a pure dynamic light.
static viper
you need a better texture ๐
crystal wind
Might be a potential optimization...
radiant haven
serene sorrel
@crystal wind why would it do dynamic lighting better? its stuck with the same issues when it has dynamic components to consider. its just as a "scene" overall quality is much better with static lighting in UE
and when you mix the two in UE now, youll get better than purely dynamic in UE
crystal wind
If your expecting a bunch of moving lights with shadows though honestly that's always going to be painful, but ue4 is a weee bit behind on this by default.... I wonder if it's the amount of resolution they got on it.
I read an article a while back
crystal wind
that stationary lights do some kind of extra... Process with dynamic shadows to help optimize it better. And some personal tests did give interesting numbers.
serene sorrel
if you have static lights you can make static light volumes and such, youll probably be able to get a better outcome in UE than a pure dynamic approach, no doubt
static viper
dynamic light has issues yee
but it revolves alot about performance too
at the level i have them they are pretty decent
but it takes fps away.
serene sorrel
you only have static lights in UE though if you have static level geometry, or?
crystal wind
No not exactly.
static viper
you can have all 3
serene sorrel
why would you place static lights in a dynamic scene
static viper
but with baked light dynamic objects will look buggy.
oh you see
crysis 3 does this
alot of the main lights are baked
but the sun is dynamic
serene sorrel
that means the geometry is static tho
heavy flicker
This might sound like a stupid question but when changing the resolution of a texture in-engine does it also change the physical size of it on disk?
static viper
yee and no
serene sorrel
no?
crystal wind
It doesn't have to be static.
static viper
there is static geometry with plants water people
physics objects
the rest is ofc static
serene sorrel
right, i mean, theres some aspect of the geometry is static, like the landscape
static viper
bc static objects are much more performant
yee
landscape is static
well mostly
XD
landscape is special
serene sorrel
yeah exactly, so im talking about a dynamic scene (including landscape) vs something known
you dont have static lights in dynamic geom
serene sorrel
where its partly dynamic and party static
static viper
dynamic geometry is usually no the scene
there are just a few cases really
voxel for instance
like minecraft
it has baked light but its realtime generated
midnight sparrow
minecraft graphics are dope
serene sorrel
you could have a prefab like Rust does, where you include a static "building" at a certain location the map , you could precompute some stuff with that no doubt
static viper
there are alot of tricks
serene sorrel
but that doesnt include what im saying, you cant have static lights in dynamic geometry
you can have static lights in static geometry, with dynamic geometry
but you cant have purely dynamic stuff with static lighting, obviously
crystal wind
All of the indirect lighting and shadowing from Stationary Lights is stored within the Lightmap. Direct shadows are stored within the Shadowmap. These lights make use of Distance Field Shadows, meaning that their shadows can remain crisp even with fairly low Lightmap Resolution on lit objects.
its stored yes
but any tiny update can break it.
so anything that moves
grass
the player...
serene sorrel
"Lightmap" is doom 1993 technology ๐
static viper
they do alot of trouble
serene sorrel
static baking
serene sorrel
quake then?
crystal wind
Actually i guess that is kinda a lightmap >.>
static viper
and the issue why they often look fragile is due to its resolution
serene sorrel
i thought doom used it but either way quake does
crystal wind
ps1 games generally did. Ps2 especially.
crystal wind
I was thinking the first two. Each sector your able to set a brightness by hand.
static viper
we cant do that todays, bc we can do better
crystal wind
For a lot of games you still mix dynamic and static objects, even if your spawning said static objects at runtime.
serene sorrel
@crystal wind yes with the baked light maps you can then adjust run time objects
static viper
yee it works pretty great if you have the baking skills
i myself cant use baked lights for anything tho.
i find them limiting
serene sorrel
@static viper because its 2019 bro ๐
serene sorrel
static stuff is 2005
crystal wind
If you can keep a light in one place I highly recommend using stationary lights, even if you have dynamic objects. It's when they have to move it should be using movable. There might be massive performance gains that way.
static viper
we can now calculate 6 billion pixelrays in one frame...
and somehow people want to tell me dynamic light is bad now
but they do rtx.
crystal wind
Lol
crystal wind
I've always wanted to port to a dvd player ๐
static viper
in a few years
crystal wind
Which fun fact, you can make games for.
static viper
any dvd player prolly has ryzen chip
then you can play modern games on the tiny screen...
bc we can
serene sorrel
static lighting is old shit, we need to get rid of it
static viper
well
crystal wind
Na it's still got uses.
serene sorrel
when was minecraft released
serene sorrel
it still has uses sure, for these "on rails" games that dont change but come on
static viper
rtx has all the tools
but is just like 1 minth old in time stamps
it has really not alot to offer right now
and the hardware to hasnt.
it will take a decade at least
serene sorrel
everything it uses is dynamic
crystal wind
I don't like wasting resources when it can be avoided is all. If a dynamic shadow gives no advantage over a baked one (since it doesn't move for example) i'd rather not just leave it dynamic.
serene sorrel
which is of course, the future
serene sorrel
static lighting, static baking, anything static, is for games that dont change, games that people wont be playing in the future MUCH if you honestly look at it
crystal wind
I'm willing to bet there's going to be uses for it anyway.
Probably a biased opinion though
serene sorrel
there always will be, because people will make static games forever to come due to "Story telling" or something
static viper
when rtx is at the level we need it to be
baking will also be possible at runtime
meaning they are obsolete
serene sorrel
but its more likely in the future these "static stories" will be sit in a dynamic world, regardless
static viper
there is also another issue
the issue of setup
the meshes you need for baking are different to the normal ones
the process is different
crystal wind
There is also animations and such that take forever to render. Not sure how they work entirely.
static viper
you are not hands on from my opinion
crystal wind
Hmm may I ask an example?
static viper
we used to have vertex animation in old days
serene sorrel
still do
static viper
but with the rise of cgi we implemented bones
and these bones now fully handle the movement
ue4 cant do vertex animations anymore.
it can do morphing tho
serene sorrel
ue4 isnt cutting edge tech though bro
static viper
blendshapes
serene sorrel
its mainstream tech