#ue4-general
sullen wraith
it adds rocks which i cant select int he world editor?
and i cant figure out how to remove them
as they seem to belong to the landscape
meager hemlock
Can you move blender files to ue4?
Better yet can you move sfm files to ue4?
abstract relic
Probably just an instanced mesh. Click on that leafy stem icon next to the landscape tool and youβll see the rock
sullen wraith
its the material of the landscape @plush yew
nah its definitely material of landscape
abstract relic
Nifty
sullen wraith
no idea how to remove them :\
dawn vessel
@sullen wraith itβs the Grass Type.
weary basalt
@meager hemlock If your not sure just try it. You can always attempt a drag and drop operation into the Content Browser from your Desktop or something.
plush yew
Open the material @sullen wraith You'll figure the rest out I think π
Or click on the landscape in teh viewer and check the settings on the right side of the editor and you should have some exposed variables to edit just under material
dawn vessel
So looking at 4.22, they redid the mesh drawing. I wonder how big of a perf optimisation hit this will do for our games.
π€
plush yew
but open the material still I say for sake of learninghow the material is built @sullen wraith
past pilot
that awkward moment when you upgrade to 4.22 and building light crashes the editor lol
seemingly permanenetly
past pilot
nothing recompiling the engine and game project cant solve...
regal mulch
Anyone here ever limited a Quaternion on a given Axis relative to a given "center" Quaternion?
E.g. Limiting Camera Pitch based on the Pawn forward Vector.
And this needs to work in all forms of orientation, even if the Pawn is randomly rotated.
I thought about getting both Quaternions and getting the Twist of both around the given Axis.
But I fear that this will break in some rotations. Gravity is not always -z.
The Quaternion of the Pawn can also be relatively different on Roll in given scanarios, so I need to filter this.
cloud cobalt
Transform the source quat using the center quat, convert to rotator, null the relevant axis, convert and transform back ?
regal mulch
The Rotator approach only works if you are working in World XYZ
Pitch here is not the world relative pitch
The Pawn can sit on a wall and Pitch would suddenly be Yaw
I know that Quaternions can return the Angle between themselves and another Quat
cloud cobalt
Well, do it with the relative rotator.
regal mulch
// The Axis we are rotating around
const FVector ControlRight = ControlQuat.GetRightVector();
// Quaternion Rotation of the pawn. This is what the camera should be relatively limited to.
const FQuat CurrPawnQuat = GetPawn() ? GetPawn()->GetActorQuat() : FQuat::Identity;
FQuat PawnSwing, PawnTwist;
CurrPawnQuat.ToSwingTwist(ControlRight, PawnSwing, PawnTwist);
// Temporary new Rotation
FQuat TempQuat = AddedRotation * ControlQuat;
FQuat ControlSwing, ControlTwist;
TempQuat.ToSwingTwist(ControlRight, ControlSwing, ControlTwist);
const float AngleControlToPawn = ControlTwist.AngularDistance(PawnTwist);
UE_LOG(LogTemp, Warning, TEXT("AngleControlToPawn: %f"), FMath::RadiansToDegrees(AngleControlToPawn));
Amazingly enough, this seems to work on Floor, 4 Walls and Ceiling.
Now to find the point where it suddenly returns utter non-sense
ControlQuat is basiclaly ControlRotation but as a Quaternion, cause well, GimbalLock etc.
So I get the Rotation of both, Pawn and ControlQuat, around the RightVector of the ControlQuat.
And compare the angle between them
I would have guessed this fails on some walls, cause ToSwingTwist returned wrong stuff yesterday
Then again, yesterday I feeded it the wall normal
On walls that had + or -Y normals, it was returning wrong
mint yacht
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=n9KR_V7JUQI is there anyway to achieve this shadowing effect in 3D with unreal?
mint yacht
Any tutorials or links or settings i should know about?
mint yacht
Thank you, that's what i really needed was a proper term to search
visual plinth
What is a good photo realistic nature pack?
mint yacht
Quixel MegaScans
wary wave
the MAWI packs on the marketplace are good
plush yew
Does anyone ever go through old youtube tutorial vids and fix the bugs in the script people have that they don't cover over and so you post the fix on the vid?
wary wave
I never even look at Youtube tutorials when they're new tbh
but this is a common problem with video tutorials - you can't exactly update them for new versions
it's part of the reason I avoid them
plush yew
i'm using some that are 3 years old but entirely worthy of being used due to the content being pretty good in them, i should start making some vids to update methods and also to help with education into never using tick...
unless you want to be fallout 76 where looking at the ground makes you run faster.
no one wants to be fallout 76, even a garbage dump XD
-buries fallout 76 in the same place they buried the ET game in the 80's to be dug up 20 years later+
wary wave
yeah, some of them are probably pretty good
some of them may not even be out of date at all despite being 3+ years old, it depends on the video tbh
I still prefer good old fashioned text with pictures though :p
plush yew
How long have you been using the engine?
wary wave
a long time, haha
I've been using UE4 since before 4.0
and Unreal Engine since the UE2 days
languid shard
you're old yo
languid shard
π
plush yew
oddly a diabetic friend i know used that for the last time they had a chocolate easter egg without thinking about it first.
things i do in unreal i can't do in other engines
wary wave
whut
regal mulch
Choo Choo!
wary wave
all aboard the bugtrain
plush yew
I test every feature of my game 30 times over if i make changes to it
restive fern
i heard i need macos to compile macos version
languid shard
what the
restive fern
can i just run it on virtual machine and package my game there for macos users?
languid shard
genius
plush yew
question is... what gamer uses a mac?
cloud cobalt
You do need a Mac to compile Mac releases
And according to the MacOS license you can't run it on a VM
So you should buy a Mac to release your game on Mac - you'll need to QA on a Mac anyway
You can also not ship on platforms that make it harder than consoles with 5% of the market
plush yew
When in doubt, go linux instead, at least their gaming has improved a tonne
cloud cobalt
Both aren't mutually exclusive but yes, Linux at least doesn't cost anything.
(And is compiled from Windows)
restive fern
meh
plush yew
at least linux can run on a mac / chromebook / xbox and anything else
plush yew
which one?
restive fern
MAC
cloud cobalt
The elephant in the room is that Apple doesn't care about PC gaming at all, which makes me skeptical of supporting MacOS
plush yew
Mac isn't a disaster, just their entire corporate structure and user friendly service is
apple doesn't care about it's users... at all
else they'd make it easier to repair their stuff
cloud cobalt
Making stuff easy to repair is a compromise with design, which Apple has always put very high in priorities
Doesn't mean they don't care
plush yew
if an apple certified repair centre even tries to get spare parts in excess they're denied
they need to send back a part to even get a new part, they can't stock anything
Between louis rossman, linus tech tips and my own questioning of repair centres, the info can't be denied.
plush yew
indeed
VR is the way to explore more so atm, SAO beta being what it is, i can expect a massive upturn in VR sales soon
Also nostos which is awesome
leaden dust
is live++ working fine in 4.22?
That and the build times are the reason I am updating
And also, a question, how do I go about implementing a Blueprint Implementable Event in an interface?
Blueprint Native Events are working fine
Its not detecting the overrided function from the base class (interface) on my actor
Do I also need to put _Implementation for Implementable Events?
umbral tartan
totally unrelated
Is it normal for me to be able to take away ups from comments on the marketplace?
fierce tulip
one downvote > one up gone
fierce tulip
dont make too many up-votes go, could be their last one up > game over > restart
fierce tulip
looks good, ship it
fierce tulip
camera shouldnt be directly attached to vehicle though.
fierce tulip
if that thing falls over, so does camera
thorny cipher
haha lock axis
π
i need to play some vehicle games
i havent played one in like 8 yrs
burnout 3?
fierce tulip
better to have it attach to a thing thats always level, that moves with vehicle
thorny cipher
last car game i played
wary wave
I usually don't attach cameras at all
do the math manually, you get way better results
tiny karma
Can someone tell me what this error means? "Mesh (geometry have no name) in the fbx is not referenced by any hierarchy node"
thorny cipher
@wary wave you dont use springarms?
wary wave
nope
wary wave
on anything
wary wave
because you can get the exact behaviour you want
thorny cipher
do you line trace it
wary wave
trace usually, yeah
thorny cipher
that's interesting
wary wave
manually doing cameras is pretty easy, and since cameras are important it pays off
thorny cipher
i dont know why my camera is jittering though, like it's so odd
wary wave
you're not really far from the origin maybe?
thorny cipher
origin 0,0,0?
wary wave
aye
wary wave
as in, your actor is not far away from the origin
wary wave
world
thorny cipher
just tested it at origin
i disabled camera changing yaw etc
you can see the vehicle moving left to right
wary wave
okay, so it probably isn't float precision errors relating to position at least
thorny cipher
haha guess that's ruled out
sudden agate
your movement code is just shit I guess :D
sullen wraith
these are apart of the landscape materials
i cnat figure out how to remove the rocks
its not apart of foliage.
wary wave
I seem to recall someone already said it was part of a grass type
fierce tulip
yup
sullen wraith
had a look through it amber, read what they said, no options. and no more responses in the past 6 hours so thought would ask again
fierce tulip
this is LAM right?
plush yew
how to bring outputlog ?
fast finch
@leaden dust live++ buggy af
Its nice when it works, but after you hot reload once, which you have to do when you add new classes or such, it doesnt work anymore until "you restart your editor" which it tells you to do, but restarting the editor doesnt do shite
fierce tulip
yea you can disable the rocks, ive done it before. yeeeaaars ago though
fast finch
restarting your pc, etc nothing works
dim plover
You don't have to hot reload when you add a new class.
sullen wraith
no idea how to luos?
fast finch
Ive run into an issue recently where when I create a new class, it tells me it wont show up unless I build it from visual studio
And no matter, doesnt change the fact that restarting the editor doesnt do anything
dim plover
You gotta close the Editor and then build from VS, then you can open your editor again.
fast finch
Yeah okay thats fair, but whats done is done
fierce tulip
@sullen wraith think in the foliage panel
I dont have a LAM project atm so cant check
fast finch
cant use live++
dim plover
Are you saying your project is corrupted?
fast finch
No no
dim plover
Hot Reload is just for changes in the .cpp.
wary wave
I suspect if you change headers you will need to restart?
fast finch
But restarting the editor doesnt do anything
this message never leaves
so I cant use live++
Im not the only one running into this issue
we talked about it a bit here yesterday
plush yew
@thorny cipher that sort of jagged movement is what happens when code is looping, i had the same issue today and it's a stutter effect of the code updating repeatedly in fast succession i've found
sleek spear
the nubers after r.HighResScreenshotDelay , what are they representing?
its not seconds and not frames i think
what is it?
thorny cipher
@plush yew could explain why it only happens sometimes
thorny cipher
have you found any correlations with specific functions or anything? @plush yew
i wonder if changing the tick group would help
thorn vector
hi i wanna know how can i make aoe ability with gameplay ability
sullen wraith
can I get everyones opinion on camera position
video was for other reasons
but im trying to figure out best position for the camera
dire salmon
Is there any good tutorial for blender -> Unreal workflow?
I can find a lot about unity but none for unreal
cloud cobalt
The export process is pretty simple - export to FBX from Blender, import FBX in UE4, import your textures in UE4, create material.
dire salmon
I heard there is tons of mesh issues, is that that simple as u said?
cloud cobalt
Well the specific of Blender + UE4 are that simple, it works out of the box with no plugin on either side. Designing 3D meshes for games does come with plenty of knowledge but that's not UE4 or Blender specific
Basically don't abuse the triangle count, unwrap your meshes.
dire salmon
Thank you
high ore
Hey guys can someone link me to a good tutorial for rigging 3d models?
dire salmon
Which 3d software ur using
azure shore
does anyone know how to do a kind of ragdoll crushing thing, I can make gibbing events fine but I don't have a way for them to gib from being crushed
for example moving walls
how would it do that
high ore
Well actually never mind , I thought I finally found the 3d model that is suitable for my niche but it's not available for download...
azure shore
as in I'm not trying to ask how to make the moving walls just how to make them effective
regal mulch
So I got two Quaternions. Both only share that their ForwardVector is in the same Plane.
Means if you dot-product etc. the forward vectors, you get a nice angle between them.
Now one of them is sort of fixed (Pawn). The other one is rotating in a way that the angle changes (Camera).
In a Rotator (Up = 0,0,1) scenario, you could see this as a camera pitch.
Now the problem: I want to limit the Camera Quaternion based on the angle between the two Quaternation ForwardVectors.
I can easily get the angle, but I have no idea how to sorta limit the quaternion when adding to it.
E.g. I add rotation around the right vector and check if the new resulting quaternion violates the "pitch" (it's not pitch) max/min.
If not, I just add the rotation change, if yes I need to somehow set it to the limit.
Similar to "if(Pitch > 45) Pitch = 45"
However I struggle to see how I can apply something like this to a quaternion that could be representing a rotation of a pawn sitting on a wall (then Pitch isn't a thing anymore).
analog umbra
Hey everyone, I am new to UE4, I downloaded the 4.22 version, I can seem to find tutorials that aren't from 4-5 years ago. I would like my first project to be a kart racing game, I've been searching high and low for days about the physics, suspension, acceleration, breaks, etc. I can't seem to find anything helpful and its making me depressed lol.
regal mulch
Your Character Mesh accepts decals
Go to the component and deactivate it
@analog umbra Tutorials are more or less still valid. Not 4-5 years ago ones (regarding the editor) but 1-2 years ago ones should be fine
A Tutorial just for a cart racer might be niche enough to not exist
There are some resource that could get you started though
Like the racing game that Epic provides
azure shore
@sullen wraith you gotta turn off receives decals
I wish they'd made an option in the decals themselves to disable certain types to affect
sullen wraith
cheers guys aha π
i was like wtf is happening
question
is 2d sidescrollers, whats the best way to manage time? if time changes
in the player? in the level?
at certain time different events fire
regal mulch
What does Time have to do with a 2D Sidescroller?
Time can be handled via Timers for example
sullen wraith
was just using it as an example, i imagine it could be different for large open worlds and stuff π
regal mulch
@analog umbra https://i.imgur.com/ePGdVtQ.jpg
If you go into the EGS
And go to the Unreal ENgine tab on the left
And then to the learn tab at the top
Then scroll down a lot
You can find the vehicle game
It's open source and might get you started
sullen wraith
would best way to make an animated clock to simply divide its full rotation 360, by 60? and every second it rotates by that division?
proper wharf
Hello, guys!
There're a text written in the Landscape tutorial:
But I don't have any 'Engine Content' folder in my Content Browser. What am I doing wrong?
analog umbra
@regal mulch Thank you π
sullen wraith
quick one all, is there a way to tick every one second in a blueprint?
grim ore
change the tick rate on the blueprint or set up a timer for 1 second? it's not going to be 100% accurate but close enough
analog umbra
@regal mulch what would you suggest would be best to work on first? the mechanics of the game or the assets (the terrain etc)
grim ore
well its the right theory but that won't work lol
void blade
hello everyone does anyone know whether you can use iPhone XS with ue4 ARKit?
grim ore
you would use the set timer by event or function and then hook up the event, a new separate function or event, you want to fire every second. set it to loop if you want it to loop. save the output from the set timer node if you ever want to stop it later.
but if you just want to change the tick itself then change the tick on the blueprint itself from 0 to your second
lost marlin
hello ppl, I have a question regarding collisions: Has anyone ever had the problem that you check "Player collision" in your viewport and all you see is flickering?
sullen wraith
leaden dust
For some reason building is really slow for me in 4.22
sullen wraith
so that would pretty much work then mathew?
with tick on 1 second?
as a basic clock kinda thing
cloud cobalt
Timer with a new event
Create a custom event, pass it to set timer, do your stuff on event
sullen wraith
whats the need for timer with a new event? if this is executing on tick?
cloud cobalt
You don't need or want it to be on tick, this is what timers are for !
It's much simpler, cleaner, and faster
regal mulch
FQuat Unrotated = ControlQuat * PawnQuat.Inverse();
Shouldn't this give me the Delta between Control and Pawn Quat?
Cause either it doesn't or I understand it wrong
plush yew
anyone else has it when they update a project to 4.22? and what's it mean anyway?
grim ore
@sullen wraith if using a timer, start it in the begin play not the tick or it will keep making it. so change the event tick to event begin play
cloud plover
Hey has anyone tried the Multi User Session thing with 4.22?
dry moon
Does increasing the amount of LODs keeping the same material increase drawcalls?
sudden agate
LODs are replacing the original mesh. Unless your LOD has more materials : no
high ore
Hey guys will this course teach me how to make my rpg multiplayer as in saving the character stats and stuff like loading them as they log in? https://www.udemy.com/unrealengine-cpp/
sullen wraith
im trying to change the value of the player hud?
however
i dont know how to "find"
the hud?
if that makes sense
grim ore
if this is the HUD class that is part of the engine, then you would Get Hud and then cast to your specific version of it. If this is a HUD you created, like a UMG widget, you need to save a reference to that object when you create it and then you can get it later wherever it is at
rough hearth
Someone help me pls when i try to save the game it says
The asset '/Game/VRGunToolkit/Maps/Field_BuiltData' (Field_BuiltData.uasset) failed to save.
Cancel: Stop saving all assets and return to the editor.
Retry: Attempt to save the asset again.
Continue: Skip saving this asset only.
How do i fix this?
kindred viper
check you haven't got two instances running?
rough hearth
i dont know what you mean
sullen wraith
how can i do double lots of text?
ie have "cups"
or something
infrtont of the value
cups 1
example
versed siren
how do I make actors transfer momentum upon one colliding with another instead of coming to a complete halt like they currently are?
grim ore
Look for the Format Text node @sullen wraith , it might do what you want
honest dagger
hello, I have created a map, I wanted to play mode with 3rd person BP, how can I do that? I have add new feature or content pack, and selected the 3rd person blueprint. It's already in my content browser, but what should I do so that when I hit play mode, it turns to 3rd person BP
versed siren
as in, I want to make an enemy that knocks my character off the stage, but currently when he leaps on them he just comes to a stop without pushing the pawn away from him
it did work when I managed to get the round, top part of his collision to hit, but obviously that isnt optimal and need it to work horiziontally
humble crow
@versed siren i would just add an impulse to the actor you want to move. Trying to do very specific things with physics is tricky
Some times it will act differently, or you'll have to do a lot to stop it from doing what you don't want
versed siren
so you're saying I add a trigger that activates movement when it senses contact with the other pawn?
versed siren
on the same vein is there a way to create an elipsoid collision instead of the default capsule shape?
humble crow
What is it for?
honest dagger
ah, found it.
humble crow
Reason I ask is if it's for the player and npc/ai it will be prone to bugs
Unless the world is free of complicated shapes
versed siren
me?
humble crow
Yeah
versed siren
it's just a very simple platforming demo for class
humble crow
Ah cool
versed siren
enemy sees player, enemy launches at player, if it hits player goes flying
humble crow
Cool sounds good. And yeah add impulse. One tip is add a huge/high number for impulse to make sure it's working
Then dial it back
Like 100000
versed siren
will the impulse work for both + and - x depending on which direction the player gets hit from?
humble crow
You will need to get and set direction
versed siren
alright
thorny stream
heyy, is anyone willing to help a beginner here? i have quite a questions aha
humble crow
@thorny stream are you asking to ask a question?
thorny stream
basically yes
maiden swift
Don't. Just go ahead and ask your questions. π
If someone is available and willing to help, they will.
rough hearth
when i save my game this Error Message Appears
The asset '/Game/VRGunToolkit/Maps/Field_BuiltData' (Field_BuiltData.uasset) failed to save.
Cancel: Stop saving all assets and return to the editor.
Retry: Attempt to save the asset again.
Continue: Skip saving this asset only.
How do i fix this?
grim ore
someone suggested you make sure you don't have 2 editors open, do you have 2 editors open?
rough hearth
no
grim ore
usually that is what causes the issue π¦
since it is just build data you should be ok to skip it and it will rebuilt it later as needed
maybe shut it all down and reopen it and try again
rough hearth
I did that but still not working
grim ore
maybe restart the PC to make sure an editor not loaded?
rough hearth
did that too
grim ore
so you open up the project, do nothing to the map and try and save it and get that error?
rough hearth
It saves but when i build the level and then save the Error comes up
grim ore
try making a copy of the level and opening it up instead and building then saving. If it's still messed up maybe there is a permission error or something where you have the folder.
but if you do this from a fresh restart π¦
sleek spear
versed siren
@humble crow what's the best way to let it know it's time to activate the impulse?
frank escarp
@sleek spear unreal has RTX which is faster
its also a simpler pathtracing model (you can see the change in lighting, it bounces more on cycles)
thorny stream
rightt, ok so im making a point and click adventure game and theres going to be alot of objects which you can interact with (like life is strange, each object has different descriptions/names/interactions), whats the best way to handle this? creating a blueprint for every object?
grim ore
blueprint for each object as a parent/base. You can expose variables you need changed like meshes and descriptions etc. You can use a blueprint interface to handle the generic "interact" event on each item that can be interacted with.
you can either make a single BP with settings you change from a list (like a list of meshes) when you put it in the scene or you can just make the one master BP and make children of it for each item you want. the 2nd options is probably cleaner as its 1 object per item you want and they can be re used if they are similar (like a BP_Vase where the vase mesh is used but each one in the world has different description)
deft surge
Hi guys I have a question. Does the new version of UE4 get rid of the Sprite system?
grim ore
Paper2D or the Sprite Object? both should be in 4.22
thorny stream
How do you do the one master BP and make children of it? is that like instances?/
grim ore
yes
restive fern
HEY BONVUOURERE
grim ore
you can make a blueprint in your content browser, call it like BP_Item and set it up to have what you want like the static mesh and text.
then you can right click it to make a child from it and this will have all the parents settings but you can change them to be exactly what you want for that specific child.
then you put those children in the scene how you want them and repeat
versed siren
so now I have a death collision, but how do I make a pawn sense it's touching the collision and should die?
grim ore
when the collision happens you have an event that will fire, that event can then talk to whatever it hits and tell it to do something
versed siren
how do I make it talk?
grim ore
the collision event from the collider should have an actor output node that will be the item colliding, which I assume is your pawn, and you can then just destroy actor if that is all you want to do or if you need to run an event/function on it you can cast to your pawns class and then tell it what to do https://youtu.be/EM_HYqQdToE is a video covering blueprint communication
plush yew
Evening everyone, quick question π How can I apply a custom HUD created in PS and apply it to my game?
I ofcourse have the standard screen where stuff appears, but what do I have to do in order for my custom HUD to appear there?
sleek spear
@frank escarp yes i know, though you can set bounces and other stuff in unreal pathtracing
grim ore
split it apart into individual UI elements as needed, png or jpg or targa, and then use the image widget to add them to your canvas panel
UE4 does not support PSD files natively so they need to be in a supported format.
plush yew
I do have it as a PNG, but I was almost thinking of importing the whole thing (Its just a base skeleton) and then add whatever needed on top of it, boxes and so on
grim ore
thats fine, use the image widget and set that texture as the image. drag/drop or import the png into the content browser in UE4 to turn it into a texture
rough hearth
Why when i play my game its showing the right eye and the left i just want one view
grim ore
if the texture is meant to be like an overlay or entire window UI you can center the image and set it to stretch to the viewport edges
plush yew
It gives me this error for whatever reason when I try to import it
And yes, its meant to fit a 1920x1080 window
grim ore
what is the name of the file you are importing?
grim ore
and this is just with a drag/drop from windows into the content browser? or I guess an import, same result heh
plush yew
I saved the image directly into my project folder
grim ore
oh, yeah you can't do that
plush yew
than imported it in
grim ore
you don't keep source assets in the UE4 project, only imported assets that UE4 processes and converts
plush yew
Ohhhh Right I see
versed siren
@grim ore it's working thanks
grim ore
yeah UE4 converts all of the stuff that imports into it's own format which means no source files in the folder which is a pain for keeping those for source control later or sharing π¦
thorny stream
hmm so this is how i set up my hovering object system, it doesnt detect the object when i change it to a blueprint
restive fern
h
thorny stream
grim ore
it's tinted or it's not set as a ui texture on import perhaps?
Was it a box or something before, a basic static mesh, and now its a blueprint actor or something similar? @thorny stream
thorny stream
a basic static mesh, now its a blueprint StaticMesh
grim ore
my first guess would be is your get hit result even finding the object now with that object type filter
plush yew
Hmm even stranger is that my PS file is corrupted and I cant reopen it
thorny stream
ooh i got it, I didnt set the staticmesh, I set it inside the bp editor
grim ore
ah
grim ore
use whatever works for you and fits your needs. If another engine is working better for you then use it. You can't finish anything if you can't finish it. If you have ran out of ideas for why you are having issues with UE4 on your machine and can't fix it then it is what it is
regal mulch
:P Sorry Mathew. Person left.
snow crown
evoking nazism in a username is a huge no-no
grim ore
technically it was backwards which is why I ignored it
snow crown
yeah but his name was goring
regal mulch
Welp, "GΓΆring" though
cloud cobalt
Yeah
snow crown
there was no question he was evoking that
grim ore
I have no idea what that is, I barely read names its why I rarely @ lol
I gotcha tho, naughty person
grim ore
ah ha
spare jungle
"Carl Theodor GΓΆring (Goering) was a German professor, philosopher and chess master. " "Franz GΓΆring (born 22 October 1984) is a German cross country skier" Actually it can be this person actual family name...
regal mulch
Hermann Wilhelm GΓΆring (or Goering;[a] German: [ΛΙ‘ΓΈΛΚΙͺΕ] (About this soundlisten); 12 January 1893 β 15 October 1946) was a German political and military leader as well as one of the most powerful figures in the Nazi Party (NSDAP) that ruled Germany from 1933 to 1945.
(: Way more likely
dry moon
I'm getting real fed up with this engine
LogShaderCompilers: Error: Couldn't launch D:/UE4/UE4/UnrealEngine-4.22/Engine/Binaries/Win64/ShaderCompileWorker.exe! Make sure you build ShaderCompileWorker.
its in THE FUCKING LOCATION RECOMPILED 50 TIMES
grim ore
but is it really there?
grim ore
yours shows a UAC icon, is it possible it won't run due to that?
grim ore
does the UAC prompt pop up on screen if you try and run it right now?
dry moon
Nope
tall pendant
people get a ban for using a german name?
tall pendant
ahh
grim ore
darn π¦ and it does run right? maybe its the folder length but I doubt it. i didnt see any spaces or anything
tall pendant
well then deserved ban
snow crown
and using a nazi figure as the name between the swastikas
dry moon
Nothing is long, its all under like 25 character
Yeah it runs fine, I can compile shaders just fine in-editor
but cooking for a platform, it refuses to locate it
icy mulch
I need some help
grim ore
damn I can say I have never had that issue and I've been compiling with 4.22 source all day π¦
icy mulch
Okay i have two chapters loaded but when i go to chapter 2 after the cutscene is done my character wont move
grim ore
did you disable the players controls at any point?
icy mulch
No i did not it works fine in the in the editor
grim ore
so it works fine in the editor but packaged it wont move?
icy mulch
When i press play on the other the other level and press chapter 2 when the cutscene is done it does not move for some reason only on the level it on works
icy mulch
Yes in the editor
grim ore
gotcha and level 1 plays the sequence fine but level 2 it plays then you cant control the player?
icy mulch
Yup
grim ore
ok is your player in level 2 in the level when the level loads? and if so did you set it to auto possess player 0?
icy mulch
Auto posses?
grim ore
in the defails panel for your character, assuming your character is in the level when the level starts, under Pawn is Auto Possess Player (Disabled to start).
if you used the default map when you started it has a player in the world already and its set up to auto possess (Player 0) so you might not have had this issue
icy mulch
It says its disabled
grim ore
yep set it to Player 0
and when the level loads your player controller will possess that character at the start automatically just like I assume your level 1 is set up
this is one of those "issues" that the default templates should really fix lol
icy mulch
Wierd it didn't work
grim ore
you changed it on the character that was in the level?
icy mulch
Yes i changed to in the level and went to my menu map and went to chapter 2 then after the cutscene ended its still standing in place not moving and im in first person
It works fine for chapter 1
grim ore
π¦
icy mulch
Maybe the sequence cause im using a Camara
grim ore
do you change your default pawn to the camera at some point?
like possessing it for the sequence
icy mulch
I only have one camera its for the cutscene
grim ore
see if its the sequencer first, don't play the sequence or disable it and load up level 2
icy mulch
But the cutscene is for the start of level 2 casue i have to were the character is waking up
high ore
blueprint or c++ to make an mmorpg?
grim ore
I gotcha but if you disable the sequence to test you can see if the player can be controlled like you expected. If you can move it then the sequencer is stopping it, if it cannot then you have to figure out the other reason and the sequence is not the issue
icy mulch
How would i disable so i can move around after the cutscene
kindred viper
@grim ore have you been running with Live Coding enabled yet?
icy mulch
Its using the camera actor with transform
grim ore
@kindred viper I tried it for a bit but nothing big, I really never liked hot reload as a concept lol
@icy mulch but the sequence itself has to play somehow. Is the sequence in your level with auto play turned on?
icy mulch
No its not turned on auto play
kindred viper
well its a bit more than that but yeah I've had my issues with hot reloading. There is a lot more under the hood in this though. Definitely needs a video on the options and setup that makes it super useful. hint hint :p
high ore
Another question i have is, if i make the game as an rpg, based on one player, with stats level etc, later on will it be hard to implement the multiplayer feature? or will it be easier to start it out as a multiplayer from the start.
grim ore
@icy mulch I am trying to figure out how your sequence is playing in your level so you can disable it. you had to have set it up
kindred viper
its the rule of all multiplayer development
high ore
Problem is , i can do some game development but i'm clueless when it comes to multiplayer, anyone have any tutorials i can start with or something?
icy mulch
Its already setup its just after the cutscene is done i cant move but when im on level 2 it works but not when go to main menu
kindred viper
check out Cedric's multuplayer compendium for starters. You should be able to figure it out from that alone. but if you need more, try a Udemy course
kindred viper
just remember. Multiplayer coding isn't hard. It's just a concept that you follow as you code. The hardest part is getting to grips with what info you are replicating.
I don't really know which to recommend. I never used them myself
high ore
So basically every new feature i add i have to make sure it's available multiplayer? like that sort of thing
kindred viper
if its required yeah
high ore
Is there a video version of cedric?
kindred viper
cmon now thats just lazy
high ore
I learn visually better, i guess that's why i focus on blueprints more haha
cloud cobalt
MP isn't going to be a lot of visual and video
high ore
What I really want to have is probably not covered in the tutorial.
kindred viper
I get yer... Im more visual too. But the compendium is more of a concept cheatsheet than a tutorial per se. Just a quick browse of the first 10 pages will probably make you understand what you need to do
cloud cobalt
I would describe multiplayer support as relentless - nothing will ever work on the first attempt, will always take lots of iteration and gritty, dedicated, additional stuff "just" to get MP to work. Like a single feature could take 10 lines of code, and the MP version would take 50 and much more complex.
kindred viper
you want to make that?
high ore
yes
kindred viper
you are mad lol. Thats server tech stuff.
high ore
that will give me full control
he is selling that, but it's based off his website, so u dont really have full control of it
so like u go on his website, login as developer and manage ur game like that
and something like that is a must i'd say for a mmorpg
kindred viper
oh right. I thought you meant coding the server stuff
high ore
Hard to explain something i have no experience in but I want to have a system, like run the server on cmd and have a seperate program to manage accounts and servers stuff like that
kindred viper
yeah you are walking into a world of shit here mate :p
I mean, its not hard, once you know. but the learning process is quite steep
cloud cobalt
Usual warning that it's easier to build a satellite than a MMO
high ore
well but my mmorpg
will be like runescape, top down
top down view point and click
tab-target system
but with better graphics
To give u better example would be Lost Ark, if u ever heard of it
cloud cobalt
Just saying you'll have an easier time putting something in space
kindred viper
I have done setups for multiplayer projects that takes 2 days tops to get a server, lobby, UI, login system active and running. But running a game with it all, and making sure I have covered all the bases, thats where the trouble starts. The basics though you can learn quick
grim ore
If you have no networking experience making a networking multiplayer game will be infinitely harder than you can possibly imagine
high ore
I was hoping to get the game out first as rpg, and work towards making it multiplayer :/
change of plans i guess, need to start learning networking
grim ore
look at the development of stardew valley and when it decided to switch over to multiplayer and take a look at how long it took to convert it from a single player game to multiplayer
high ore
Also i want the game to be like split into world servers, so like for now maybe like 100-200 players in the game instance per server
kindred viper
or.... just make a simple version and try get funded and employees to help you. Because no man is an island and this is one of those cases that defines the saying
high ore
I have friends who have experience in 3d model, animation and vfx so that part is covered .
cloud cobalt
Easy multiplayer (cooperative, 5-6 players, using Steam) is like 5x more programming work than single player ; competitive MP is 10x harder, MMO stuff is 100x harder
Harder = time spent
At least start with a play-with-friends co-op game with 4 players, single-player mode
grim ore
Take a minute and write down your process for having 2 people in the game in the same spot and 1 person changes the color of their body.
high ore
What about a matchmaking elo-based arena 1v1 type of mmo?
grim ore
Woof. So many buzzwords
kindred viper
start with the Shootout multiplayer demo in the launcher really. It's as simple as you get and its done the right way
cloud cobalt
Competitive = need dedicated servers, source build of the engine, anti-cheat on the player's machine
kindred viper
doesnt need anti-cheat as no anti-cheat actually works :p
high ore
And a chat system
cloud cobalt
Subtext being don't do competitive as your first game
kindred viper
not to mention platform interoperability if you want to go that route
cloud cobalt
Chat is 1h of work, anticheat is 50% of all your development time
grim ore
Man I visited the jury box so much in ArcheAge
high ore
anticheat is like all the security procedures?
kindred viper
I've been judged many times. I have wrinkles on my charge sheet
high ore
is there no like external software u can use to secrue ur game?
like those anti cheat guards i see from different games
kindred viper
anti-cheat in Unreal engine is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. Its open source and the kids hacking it today are bleeding androids.
cloud cobalt
Anti-cheat is the countless amount of time spent chasing the latest cheat software in your game
kindred viper
yeah that too. it costs so much in development terms
best just to scan, log, group ban once a month or week or something
then deal with the false positives :p
high ore
btw if i wanted a nice combat system in my game, lets just say a shitter version of league of legends, how long would that take?
kindred viper
not too long. there is a top down example in UE4
cloud cobalt
Just to be real here, I'm on my third game project, decade of Unreal experience, professional C++ dev, and I'm scared shitless of competitive MP. Anything is easier than that, except MMOs which are straight impossible
UE4 can let you do really great games alone
But pick your battles
high ore
Anything that is not multiplayer disinterests me sadly
I dont think I ever played a single player game in my life
kindred viper
if you pay me enough, im not scared of anything except the wrath of God. And I don't buy into his story so....
high ore
what part of competitve MP scares u? the anti-cheat?
high ore
runescape was made by 2 ppl
kindred viper
runescape was made when coders actually coded stuff
cloud cobalt
Great, go make runescape.
high ore
I was gonna
thick knoll
Hey guys, has anyone got a bit of time spare to try and help me out with Saving + leaderboards?
kindred viper
look at path of exile. written from scratch. probably the most complicated game ever made in terms of development and user interactivity lol
high ore
i wouldnt group runescape to the generic mmorpg's so it might be easier to make than u think
kindred viper
essentially its all about scaling. You can make a multiplayer game with 2 people, that just lets them chat. Its still the same concepts as a large scale game, but without the issues that come with scale.
high ore
I just wanna get a list of tutorials i need to get through before I can finally work towards my main goal competitive MP or mmorpg
kindred viper
well you gotta have goals as I like to say. If you want it badly enough, you will do it !
high ore
true but with my idea in mind, the scaling will just be 100 tops for now, as server limit 100 and i'll have multiple servers?
analog umbra
Can I have a teacher please? Lol
kindred viper
you know 100 people on a server doing nothing has its issues. But its more than possible
multiple servers comes from your hosting really. AWS has a decent setup for dynamic server spawning and such. But thats a science in itself.
high ore
The only problem i have now is that i need to start my rpg as MP and not the other way around. Fuck, I guess i really need to learn networking..
cloud cobalt
@high ore At least try doing a multiplayer clone of Pong and have it played with a friend over the Internet. Should take you a week
kindred viper
not even that
high ore
lol with the course on udemy i'd get a MP stealth game going, according to the course content
cloud cobalt
I can't stress how much some stuff is literally impossible in MP
steel briar
The hardest part to me about making a multiplayer game is replicating everything to the server lol
cloud cobalt
Like actually not doable
high ore
Not doable by one person u mean?
But game doesnt have to be perfect , gradual improvement over time, ppl wud still play if it's full of bugs as long at there's content to amuse them
icy mulch
Even with out the cutscene my character is not moving
cloud cobalt
No, I do mean undoable no matter the team
kindred viper
hah spoken like a true Corporate Game Dev
"they will still play it with bugs"
im gonna get a tshirt printed out with that on it
cloud cobalt
Stuff like "competitive game with physics" is "doable" if buying a million-dollar Havok license with a corporate deal counts
wary wave
Physics D:
hopefully the new physics engine will make life easier in that regard
do we have any idea when that might land yet?
high ore
Fuck physics
kindred viper
4.23
steel briar
Idk why it would be so hard to get a competitive game working. If you understand how replication works, you should be able to pretty much make anything you want in multiplayer
cloud cobalt
@wary wave 4.23 for destruction
kindred viper
the plugins are already in for Chaos tho
high ore
My game is fantasy theme so i can bend those physics a bit
wary wave
cheers
for just destruction it's something I guess, but I'm more interested in a more 'complete' solution, hehe
cloud cobalt
@steel briar Making it work and making it work in competitive are not the same thing
kindred viper
@steel briar yeah that makes sense. until you realise milliseconds matter
cloud cobalt
Competitive = massive cheating resistance needed, massive performance needed, massive community needed
Just all the things indies struggle with
high ore
What exactly do u mean by compettitve? esports or just fight between players?
cloud cobalt
Competitive = PVP
digital anchor
a small team and 5 million dollars
high ore
I really started to hate this engine, unity3d has a lot better magic attack vfx
kindred viper
yeah a small team of people who worked like slaves to get the product out :p
high ore
and blueprints is not a transferable skill
steel briar
Yeah, but it is possible lol
wary wave
Spellbreak doesn't have much in the way of physics, does it?
steel briar
Yeah, but you don't really need physics for most games
wary wave
seemed to me like a straight up deathmatch style game (albeit novel)
cloud cobalt
@steel briar Here's the team for that game : https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a4a8093d7bdce7948030b31/t/5a68f390e4966b342c2a0376/1516827746051/proletariat-team-2017.jpg - sure it's "small"
kindred viper
@high ore dont worry about blueprints. To do what you need, you are gonna be learning a lot of C++ :p
cloud cobalt
π€·
inner mountain
Hey guys! Does anyone know if the UE4 forum have some pre-moderation? I've started a topic and it's available by a direct link, but not visible on the forum itself...
high ore
Those ppl sure look like they can code
wary wave
yeah, that's like 30 people - you're into the millions of dollars territory there
likely tens of millions, rather than 5
icy mulch
Hey does anyone know why my character wont move when i click on the next chapter
wary wave
depending on dev timeline anyway
kindred viper
I have a budget of -Β£100 today as I missed filing my tax return :p
steel briar
I purchased some templates to help
kindred viper
definitely easier
high ore
Well, mmorpgs exist on phones, then no way in hell can they not be doable on pc
cloud cobalt
But I don't know fuckall about mobile π
kindred viper
its like pc development but with someone throwing turds at you at every corner
icy mulch
Hello
cloud cobalt
@high ore My usual argument for "MMOs can't work on PC as an indie" is how the average indie on Steam has 100 lifetime sales, averaging out to 1 online player
icy mulch
@cloud cobalt i need help
high ore
i know i'm calling it mmorpg as in massive multiplayer, but i dont expect it to have over 200 players online at a time, unless it really gets out of hand etc.
high ore
Friends combined equal more than that haha
kindred viper
your friends wont like you if you make them play it
cloud cobalt
Friends spent 2 years making their game as a company and got 50 lifetime sales on their life project
Half of it review keys
upper heart
Multiplayer is complicated, end of story π
high ore
Making sales is easiest with those hypercasual mobile games..
cloud cobalt
Mobile is the hardest market to go into actually
kindred viper
saturation is king
high ore
Well most of them are free anways, but taking about ad-revenue and in game purchase sales
icy mulch
Hello
high ore
yeah true it's oversaturated now
cloud cobalt
@icy mulch Ask your question in much more detail including what doesn't work, what you want to do, etc
kindred viper
I knew a mobile developer who worked on an app for two years, then quit because of lack of sales. I felt bad for her. Its just a risk you take
high ore
I think a better option for me would be to join a company that makes mmorpgs
guess i'm flying to china haha
icy mulch
When i go to main menu level and click on chapter 2 my character does not move but does on chapter 1 @cloud cobalt
kindred viper
@high ore just learn everything about it. Master it even. Make it become part of you. Then maybe one of these companies will hire you.
cloud cobalt
@high ore Better option is - make a game that works in single-player, but is meant to be played with friends.
high ore
co-op?
cloud cobalt
If it's friends, PVP is fine
If you cheat people will just stop playing with you
@icy mulch Sounds like your second level isn't well set up
high ore
Being honest i could do something like this: make a rpg like skyrim, get sales/cash, then make a mmorpg version of it by reusing assets?
icy mulch
@cloud cobalt how do i fix it
cloud cobalt
@high ore You can't do anything like Skyrim or ESO at all
cloud cobalt
I'm not spending the day here but - seriously do a multiplayer pong first π
inner mountain
@high ore theoretically you can do it if you can work on the project for fulltime for several years, spend money to hire contractors and make some decent technical quality stuff (code and art, mostly)
kindred viper
you could conceptualise a game that takes small parts of the bigger picture and lets you learn those as you go. Like you said a runescape game, maybe make a single player level that is like that first
inner mountain
@high ore also you can't just convert a single player game to a multiplayer, especially to an mmorpg. It'll be a whole different and larger scope.
high ore
What i mean is redo the game as a mmorpg version but reuse the assets
grim ore
You cant say never look at project Gorgon
high ore
That motivates me
inner mountain
@high ore I personally know a guy who's currently working on his own MMORPG and it's mostly ready in terms of the main mechanics.
@wary wave ^
wary wave
is it mostly ready in terms of the MMO?
because that's the part that's the problem
just getting the MMO part of the equation running costs money, right out of the gate
high ore
I'll do an rpg first while working on learning the concepts behind multiplayer at the side
I'm still young I have time
inner mountain
@wary wave in terms of the MMO mechanics, yes, what I mean is he does not yet have a lot of content/maps/levels, but the multiplayer part is ready and can serve at least several hundreds of players on a home-level PC as a server
icy mulch
Here @cloud cobalt so how do i fix it
spare sun
first you get rich then you make mmo
cloud cobalt
@high ore Please just spend a week doing MP pong - without following some Youtube video to the letter, seriously
kindred viper
making an MMO is getting easier tbh. You can buy ready made code to make simple frameworks, but the thing is, until you get those servers filled, and active, you have no idea what is going to happen. It could crash, might not be able to login, servers might not be feeding data back in time, or at all due to lost packets. Could be that the whole thing just shits a brick and falls over. Could be that 10 people notice you in the sea of free MMO games and your servers are fine tho :p
high ore
I've hosted a runescape private server before, and the cost of running it was simply the vps cost.
cloud cobalt
@icy mulch How could I know ? I'm not building the game and know next to nothing about any of this.
kindred viper
runescape private server that costs nothing to run tho.
snow crown
uh
kindred viper
try adding some tech that needs licensing
inner mountain
@high ore look at the @cloud cobalt advice β it's completely make sense.
snow crown
hey folks, no specific warnings but don't attack people
icy mulch
It works fine in the editor
snow crown
even if they want to make a mmo
kindred viper
are we attacking him?
icy mulch
On the map
snow crown
some of y'all are getting close to the line
cloud cobalt
What the hell ?
high ore
Haha
I turn the negativity into posititvity, i'll be sure to link my project to them someday.
inner mountain
I'm going to make an MMO as well btw. But after my current single-player project
snow crown
also, mmos are very hard
cloud cobalt
Alright, look, I'm done here, this isn't doing anything good.
inner mountain
@high ore btw do you have a blog or something to subscribe?
high ore
Unfortunately nah
I read that unreal engine's inbuilt multiplayer system isn't that great, maybe that's why u are all complaining that MP is hard?
kindred viper
no its that you asked about turning a single player game into a multiplayer game and we instantly knew you didn't know enough yet. we advised you correctly. the MP is actually really cool. You will enjoy it
snow crown
basically, imagine writing a fast and responsive game when it takes 100+ms for a button press to register
I have basically been making multiplayer games my entire life... it's really hard
inner mountain
@high ore if talking seriously, there is no ready solution for an MMO-like game.
Not ue4, not any other engines. You can use them to make the client part, yes. But server and client-server communications you'll have to implement by your own from the scratch if you're serious
snow crown
SpatialOS is cool tech, but it's still really hard to make a game on it
(they are working on that though)
kindred viper
I was tempted to look into that for a while but priorities left me in single player mode
high ore
that link i sent, not sure but I thought that was the server and client communcation
grim ore
Hero engine but....
kindred viper
its on my list tho
inner mountain
@snow crown I've heard SpatialOS is not really working good in fact though didn't had any personal experience with it
snow crown
it has it's issues
I haven't experimented with it in ~2 years now
so my experience is very out of date
but it's classic "it works, but..."
frank escarp
spatial OS mostly takes care of replicating actors/properties across servers
high ore
is python useful for MP?
frank escarp
stuff like multicasts, server logic, etc is still HAAARD
kindred viper
python is useful for editor mods. But its still experimental (or just recently out of that status)
inner mountain
@high ore you can use python for a game server. Though probably it will not be fast enough to make a decent MMO.
cedar snow
grim ore
Oh my God language why would you call python a tool he's a cool guy
snow crown
including their servers
spare sun
python backend yikes
inner mountain
Eve Online have a great and large team and it's a kind of exception in the world of MMOs in many points π (in a good sense)
snow crown
they just have a really powerful hardware cluster to get around the bigger drawbacks of python
cedar snow
aren't they using stackless python?
snow crown
and, yeah
spare sun
^
frank escarp
wanna rename a function? too bad lol
snow crown
i wouldn't call it insane
kindred viper
typeless vars?
frank escarp
it is
cedar snow
the debug tools of CCP are amazing
spare sun
the thing I noticed first when started learning it after c++
snow crown
cause you need to have a certain level of insanity to make a mmo in the first place lol
high ore
Forget i asked about python.
frank escarp
mostly becouse python and other dynamic typing lenguages suck extremelly hard in any big project
snow crown
but like
grim ore
Any multiplayer stuff I've ever worked on I did it in node because why the hell not. Works great with ue4 using sockets or rest
inner mountain
@high ore have you ever made a game?
frank escarp
if you dont have a compile step, there are entire class of bugs that will happen at runtime instead
high ore
In unity3d
kindred viper
@wraith bridge thats cheating man....
frank escarp
so you better peper the entire thing with super strict test based development
high ore
and a few unfinished ones in ue4
frank escarp
python will crash at runtime if there is a "compiler error"
like a function having the wrong parameters or name
snow crown
my advice @high ore, and this comes from someone who does want to eventually make a mmo, is to make (and ship) a smaller scale multiplayer game first
grim ore
Out of the box unreal engine 4 is way better than unity for networking support so you have that at least
frank escarp
if you dont have your entire codebase under extremelly strict testing, you WILL crash at runtime
snow crown
or hell, do something ambitious
kindred viper
actionscript 2.0 had typeless vars. There is a certain power that comes with that, and in turn, a certain responsibility
snow crown
but foucs on classic networking first
inner mountain
@high ore ah that's the point... An "unfinished" game is usually not more than a prototype if not worse. The point is to make a complete game to the end. It's the hardest part π
snow crown
I did a 100 player game
cloud cobalt
I love how we're getting warned over personal attacks but mods will now use the word "insanity". Since that's the second time today I'm warned by mods here, can we have some guidance over what's considered personal attacks ?
snow crown
stranger i wasn't talking about you
high ore
Would u call this a smaller scale? Lobby based arena 1v1 competitive MP based on elo system? And for simplicity just say it's a sword fighting game with no fantasy skills etc
kindred viper
hope it wasnt me. I wasn't attacking him. I thought I was being quite nice π¦
snow crown
you were getting close π
high ore
Also idk if this is true but ppl say make game prototypes in blueprints and redo in c++π€
kindred viper
I really wasn't. But if its your opinion that I was, I can live with that because this aint my house.
snow crown
well, i also didn't warn you
kindred viper
just so you know tho... im not here to wind people up or cause trouble
inner mountain
@high ore depends on what's faster for you. Prototypes should be built fast and dirty to check some specific idea, nothing more
snow crown
i noticed the conversation was getting a little heated (in my opinion) and I said that to simmer it down
kindred viper
its all good. moderation is required
snow crown
@high ore a 1v1 is a good start
personally, I want to do something that is planetside like
so one project i worked on was similar to battlefield
wary wave
I've always preferred the Battlefield scale than Planetside tbh
high ore
So could i try this? make and finish an rpg, export its combat system into a different project and attempt at making a 1v1 MP?
snow crown
sure
wary wave
you'd have to rewrite 90% of the game from scratch though
snow crown
but, as I've personally found, writing code for single player then porting it to multiplayer is harder than just starting with MP
frank escarp
too bad unreal kiiiinda sucks for that kind of thing
spare sun
Im not sure whether exporting the combat system will be easier than just starting over
wary wave
retrofitting a game for MP is harder in my opinion
frank escarp
Squad had inmense performance issues, and PUBG also does
snow crown
you have no idea vblanco
grim ore
do what people here suggested. look at the multiplayer shootout game and when you understand how it works then you can decide what to do for your mmo/sp game
snow crown
that is the game I worked on π
inner mountain
about "game scale": I was started a small single-player game with simple visuals and simple gameplay... as I thought... It was about 2 years ago, and the last year I working on the game for fulltime. And it's still faaar from completion...
frank escarp
if you want to have something with more than 20 players or so, you better start coding the player character from scratch + have insane architectural stuff
like
high ore
What i mean is, the mp part is just for learning purposes not a shippable project, just take the combat out of the rpg and make changes so that it can be applied to MP 1v1 game
frank escarp
blueprints 100% absolutely banned
snow crown
i disagree with both
frank escarp
and the C++ code not even using the normal component stuff but your own
cedar snow
πΏ
snow crown
primary cause of server performance issues in mp is relevancy checking
grim ore
I think the mmo should be 100% BP because it's more fun than C++ π
frank escarp
also, they fixed that with the replication graph
snow crown
well, if you don't optimize your character stuff then yeah that's primary
wary wave
Relevancy checking as the primary cause of server performance issues 0_o
snow crown
and, yeah, repgraph is a good solution
high ore
I'm thinking of dropping blueprints all together and use it when necessary. This way i'll have c++ as a transferrable skill for other stuff.
frank escarp
in pubg server hit #1 is just the replication code itself, the one that checks for changed variables and such
snow crown
and I haven't worked on squad for like 2 years, so stuff I talk about is my experience from a while ago
yeah, that's what I mean
grim ore
yep definitely don't use Blueprints at all in UE4, it's a crutch and you should do it all in C++.
frank escarp
we have tons of components and tons of characters, so just iterating through all checking variables is spot 1 most expensive
frank escarp
yes
snow crown
we should compare notes sometime
frank escarp
last thing i did is straight up nuke Overlaps
snow crown
i saw similar stuff
frank escarp
and replace it with my own collusion system
snow crown
comparing vars and checking if things should be replicated
snow crown
I actually think SpatialOS is a good fix there to be honest
frank escarp
i benched that unreal engine was updating the locations of every character hitbox
3 times
per frame
per character
snow crown
because they do that stuff, just not on the dedicated server box
high ore
Time to relearn everything from scratch using c++ I guess
snow crown
you literally push all updates, regardless of whether or not they should be pushed or not
frank escarp
btw, this is a hit you can see in shootergame pretty quick
snow crown
to Spatial
snow crown
and then Spatial figures out if the client should recieve them
spare sun
hmm
snow crown
also, I disagree with no blueprint
I generally do about 80% C++ 20% blueprint
blueprint should be responses to events and stuff
frank escarp
blueprint tick should be 100% banned tho
snow crown
yes
high ore
blueprints for widgets maybe?
snow crown
fuck blueprint tick
frank escarp
i benched it @snow crown
snow crown
widgets are a middle ground
frank escarp
btw, this is EMPTY ticks
snow crown
and saw something similar
frank escarp
doing literally nothing
grim ore
this coversation about the networking issues is something that should be posted somewhere as a "So you want to make an MMO in UE4, do this stuff" post π
snow crown
but like, if you respond to events or do something like the ability system
blueprint is fine
the trick to blueprint is to use it as rarely as you can
and only for "content"
high ore
or should've been in the multiplayer channel
frank escarp
the problem with BP in a big project is source control
digital anchor
what you guys think about Go?
snow crown
stuff that doesn't make sense in C++
frank escarp
you cant merge BPs
snow crown
yeah
grim ore
no.. noo.. blueprints are evil. everyone says that it must be true. UMG must be done in C++ it's the only way, same with animation setup.
frank escarp
in big projects its quite bad
snow crown
there is a bp merge tool
but it's pretty bad
and you have to launch the editor to use it
high ore
but blueprints are a big time saver.
snow crown
I kinda wish you could launch a really lightweight standalone blueprint graph as a merge tool
and hook that up to source control
south ridge
It's way bigger of a timesaver to do a lot of core logic in C++
snow crown
yeah, what blackfox said
frank escarp
it speeds up C++ workflow by about 3-4 times
snow crown
i skip previews
high ore
Btw how compatible are blueprints and c++ scripts, like i mean is it easy to merge or even combine them both for a single feature. If u know what I mean
south ridge
I use blueprints to configure C++ code and such
frank escarp
maybe 20 times if your project is big enough Hotreload is broken
spare sun
and it breaks once you hotreload forever
snow crown
and i've been busy with client work today and yesterday so I haven't updated my personal project
south ridge
In our game character, C++ drives all the logic, but blueprints connect specific logic bits and simple sequences between event handling and C++ code for example
frank escarp
@snow crown ive been using it daily, we integrated Live++ on pubg
snow crown
do you guys keep updated on engine versions?
snow crown
or just pull relevant changes?
south ridge
I generally do
frank escarp
we have a bastard of an engine where we cherrypick commits around
south ridge
I generally merge in promoted versions every once in a while
snow crown
haha
frank escarp
so for example we merge the fortnite improvements
maiden swift
Re: Blueprint ticking - I highly recommend disabling tick on Blueprint actors that don't absolutely need it.
snow crown
squad was getting there when I left
south ridge
Trying to maintain our engine patches always up to date and minimally intrusive
maiden swift
And on the ones that do need it, you can set a lower tick frequency.
snow crown
my current project, I have a fairly strict "No Engine Changes" policy
maiden swift
It's very rare you need a Blueprint to tick every frame.
frank escarp
@snow crown one of the devs im working with worked at squad
snow crown
tooner?
snow crown
I liked him when I worked with him
frank escarp
he is one of the leads of the gunplay team
he is the one making most of the vehicle related code in pubg
high ore
is there much difference in difficulty between top-down rpg and 3rd person rpg?
inner mountain
Does anyone know if the UE4 forum have some pre-moderation? I've started a topic and it's available by a direct link, but not visible on the forum itself...
frank escarp
did you work with Ernest ( ifire)?
snow crown
yeah
high ore
complexity of the code?
snow crown
there are different problems to solve
frank escarp
he was paid a spectacular amount of money to make a godot FBX importer. Using assimp
snow crown
whether or not they are objectively more difficult is up to the programmer and their experience
frank escarp
i dunno who paid him that cash
frank escarp
i worked with him looong ago in Heavy Gear Assault
high ore
Ok let me rephrase it, time-wise, which style takes longer to make? If the content would be the same.
snow crown
oh, so you know brune too probably
frank escarp
yes
snow crown
i work with him still π
frank escarp
HGA was a rofl
snow crown
@high ore the content is not the same.
maiden swift
@high ore No one can answer that question. How long your game takes to make depends on many things that have nothing to do with the genre.