@maiden swift nice π
#ue4-general
thorny cipher
plush yew
Hasn't your game been out for more than 2 months..? Lol
wary wave
I'd rather they supply basic multiplayer infrastructure first
maiden swift
@thorny cipher π
cloud cobalt
We were in EA for a year to @plush yew but most sales were post-release
safe rose
@wary wave true. could be interesting
wary wave
or a launcher that doesn't take 2-3 minutes just to load a tab
thorny cipher
^
plush yew
Ah. I was thinking of the space game.
thorny cipher
im sure the launcher performance will be addressed
plush yew
Thought it was cool.
thorny cipher
(we can only hope)
cloud cobalt
@plush yew Yes that one.
maiden swift
I love that my Twitter timeline is 80% Epic Games Store.
thorny cipher
π
wary wave
"From the gamer's perspective, why should they shop at the Epic store as opposed to the marketplaces they already buy from?
Itβs a lightweight storefront thatβs convenient to use, and gives developers a better deal."
π€
indigo vigil
Whoa this epic store is big news
maiden swift
@wary wave "lighweight" 
indigo vigil
Any word on when they'll start accepting submissions and what the process will be?
languid shard
lightweight 
thorny cipher
Theyll likely hand pick the first titles
wary wave
currently doing nothing occupying 250MB of memory (steam is using 21 by comparison)
maiden swift
Maybe the launcher is lightweight compared to Steam, but man...
tall pendant
14 day refund period w/o questions asked? lol
cloud cobalt
I have no idea if this will work, but I really, really love everything in this announcement. It's consumer friendly, it's dev friendly, it's a competitor to a company that shits on us.
thorny cipher
yeah steam announces "20% for games that make 50M"
Tim: hold my beer
safe rose
@indigo vigil If you haven't a game on Steam right now, I doubt you'll get in on the Launch
My prediction
indigo vigil
Also I haven't seen any word on if epic plans some sort of equivalent to some of the steam works features - standardized systems for achievements and leaderboards for example
maiden swift
This announcement makes me wonder about other stuff, too. Will Epic follow Steam's example and create their own backend services? What will deployment be like? etc.
teal tulip
@maiden swift "lightweight, the only launcher in the history that is actually the whole game engine running"
safe rose
And your game will probably have had to make a decent amount of press/money
At least on launch
thorny cipher
@maiden swift we can only hope
livid haven
@teal tulip The launcher is not the whole engine, but yes, it is part of the engine that runs it.
safe rose
Maybe they will get some brand new indie games in there to mix it up a bit. But again, I doubt no-names will be in there at launch
dark depot
@maiden swift same I can see this as just the start
indigo vigil
I have 2 games on Steam currently, but they don't have a lot of visibility or sales. I'm not worried about getting in on the launch necessarily, but I'd definitely like to sell future games on these, so I'm curious of the submission process
silver crown
For me steam is 200MB and Epic 300 in ram
safe rose
@maiden swift yes, they already said they are doing acheivements
maiden swift
I was already excited about The Game Awards. Now even more so. π
safe rose
So that's the start of their own backend
teal tulip
@livid haven well the whole slate + the whole web engine if you want to name it properly, but is running on the tick rather than event systems as lets say only UI for desktop ala Qt etc
I mean have the same game engine working system
what don't mean is bad
maiden swift
@safe rose You're right. I missed that question in the GI article.
safe rose
I do wonder...
teal tulip
still the refund system...
wary wave
the complete lack of mention of back-end services is what kills it for me at present
maiden swift
Does the store have any sort of achievement system?
Not at launch, but weβre working on these kinds of features.
that and the launcher is naff
without access to a consolidated multiplayer framework, or basic things like analytics, I'm wary
cloud cobalt
@wary wave Yeah I'd need an Epic Games OSS in UE4 now
wary wave
also I've been on the marketplace and that was a fucking disaster
selling stuff through there has not been a good experience
fierce tulip
we'll see, a lot to speculate about, a lot to wonder about..
so i'll wait and see
thorny cipher
we would need epic voip
wary wave
I would categorically not try to sell games if the experience would be the same
thorny cipher
also
frosty bloom
Epic takes 12%. And if youβre using Unreal Engine, Epic will cover the 5% engine royalty for sales on the Epic Games store, out of Epicβs 12%.
safe rose
yup
dark depot
The game awards mention makes me think the first game or games are being announced there and I can see it being a and download now type thing
wary wave
so realistically, at this point, I think I would still lean towards the Discord store front despite the additional 18% loss
safe rose
@dark depot true
I can see that as well
Big UE4 titles that have launched over the years
maiden swift
@wary wave Hopefully a new backend is on the way. Might be why backend updates for the Marketplace have been so slow to come.
bitter iris
You guys just seen the epic Market vs steam? Sorry tuned in chat late
cloud cobalt
lmao
fierce tulip
lol
frosty bloom
Either if this becomes a successful store front or not, having competitors will make the market better for us developers.
safe rose
No
cloud cobalt
No we did not.
safe rose
We haven't been talking about it for the past 20 mins
fierce tulip
no, what is this epic mp you are talking about? XD
maiden swift
@bitter iris Yep! Check #unreal-news for all the latest, including some interviews.
bitter iris
I tuned in late
bitter iris
Sorry
cloud cobalt
@wary wave I mean, my ideal future as a dev would be to have Discord, GOG, Epic sharing half of the market vs Steam
The first three have curation
Curation is amazing
(well, let's see how Epic does it)
wary wave
curation is a strong motivator, yeah
thorny cipher
competition is good
safe rose
@cloud cobalt Epic may not have curation (or as much of it) past launch though
wary wave
but once again, Marketplace curation does not leave me feeling warm and fuzzy either
fierce tulip
^
safe rose
Seems like it's doing the same process as Oculus Store does
cloud cobalt
Yeah.
safe rose
Technical Checks
fierce tulip
its better than it was, but im still worried about the quality of some of the content.
wary wave
standards that seem to change without warning almost weekly, random low quality shite appearing even if it doesn't vaguely meet any of those standards etc :/
teal tulip
@cloud cobalt Discord have curation or just add the games everyone knows ?
safe rose
my only hope for the store, UPFRONT FEE $500-$100 to launch on the Epic Store
wary wave
so much of the marketplace is also handled manually still too
upfront fee isn't necessary with curation
teal tulip
@safe rose you don't need fee if the curation is correct
gloomy helm
Upfront fees dont stop bad games
safe rose
Because if there's no freaking Gate Ticker Holder...it's going to be the same shit as Steam and worse
cloud cobalt
@teal tulip Curated games that everyone knows 
safe rose
@teal tulip There is no curation
thorny cipher
@safe rose no
safe rose
Read the articles again
teal tulip
sadly that will be the problem
cloud cobalt
Also please yes, $1000 to launch
safe rose
It's more like Technical Checklists
thorny cipher
What I want is better review process
wary wave
if Epic has no curation, then I'm totally out
thorny cipher
Not more price barriers
tall pendant
1k-2k to launch
thorny cipher
No
cloud cobalt
So that it's not fucking Google Play
thorny cipher
Just good review is enough
safe rose
Yeah, we need a damn Price Barrier. I am sorry for all your poor people
cloud cobalt
"just"
safe rose
But if you really want to start a business
wary wave
"We'll have an approval process for developers to go through to release a title. It will mostly focus on the technical side of things and general quality." - curation
safe rose
You should expect these types of costs
And plan for it
Take out a loan, take the chance
If you need to
bitter iris
Loans lol
thorny cipher
Sure, 1-2k but you get that back off the 12%
safe rose
Yeah, you'll get your money back quick
maiden swift
Yeah, sounds to me like they are curating it based om the interviews.
wary wave
the price barrier is a good thing; if you're serious about your game and it's of sufficient quality, $1000 is trivial
bitter iris
Loans aren't a good idea tbh
cloud cobalt
GOG does "just good review", we tried to get their attention for a year, they tried 5 builds and no one there had the time to talk about it
safe rose
@maiden swift They are only curating the launch titles, then sometime in 2019, they are opening the flood gates
fierce tulip
1000 sounds too low in some cases
safe rose
That's how I read it
bitter iris
I think epic should hire staff that is high maintenance not like steam where you can just post a game without proper review?
safe rose
he Epic Games store is launching on PC and Mac in 2018, and Android later in 2019. Weβd like to launch on iOS in 2019, however, that is in apparent conflict with current Apple policy.
Also
wary wave
if you don't think you can get your $1000 back from sales, then you may want to rethink whether your game should be on Steam in the first place xD
safe rose
PC/Mac only
maiden swift
That's not how I read it. I read that as the first batch of games is selected by Epic, partners, etc. and in 2019 general applications will be open.
safe rose
Wait, in 2018
vale silo
well, $1000 is a lot of cash.. However, if they add DRM like Steam and cut down refund time to 2 hrs, I'll think about it..
fierce tulip
5k sounds better, with a refund of 4-2k after a year if you didnt troll/extort/abuse buyers/store
safe rose
The Epic Games store is launching with a small selection of handpicked games and will grow over time. As we work toward opening up generally to developers in mid-2019, we plan to set a reasonable quality threshold.
@maiden swift
thorny cipher
For a lot of indies $1000 is a lot to fork out
gloomy helm
It could be $4000 and youll still have a flood gate of games
tall pendant
they def. need to tweak on that 14 days refund policy
maiden swift
@safe rose Well there it is, like I said.
safe rose
??
dark depot
most indies sadly dont even make 1000
vale silo
imagine how you feel about refunds after forking over $1000 @thorny cipher
maiden swift
That's not what it says.
gloomy helm
14 day refund is a bit of an oof
safe rose
"curation" is just selection
thorny cipher
Well you have to think about integration time, you're not going to be selling your game 10 minutes after paying the 1k
gloomy helm
Heaps of singleplayer games you could beat within that time
fierce tulip
1000 might be a lot for indies, but then again, they should spend it wisely, considering their software and computers are a multitude of that
maiden swift
Handpicked = chosen by Epic through partners and such, not through developer applications.
safe rose
Tim Sweeney: We'll have an approval process for new developers to go through to release a title. It will mostly focus on the technical side of things and general quality.
this in another article
maiden swift
Generally available = anyone can submit their games
dark depot
@fierce tulip oh i agree
cedar snow
safe rose
I mean, it's plain as day
wary wave
yeah, the "$1000 is too much" is amusing when you have five people each with $1500 computers
thorny cipher
Yes general quality
safe rose
It's not going to be curated
Tim Sweeney: We'll have an approval process for new developers to go through to release a title. It will mostly focus on the technical side of things and general quality. Except for adult-only content, we don't plan to curate based on developers' creative or artistic expression.
fierce tulip
"gaiz, I cant afford ue4, 20,- a month is so expensive!"
- Send from Iphone8
bitter iris
Lol
maiden swift
Curating based on quality and technical competency but not artistic expression is still curation.
And it's the right kind.
wary wave
yup
safe rose
"We don't plan to curate based on creative/artistic expression, which can mean almost anything" "Curation will focus on **TECHNICAL SIDE OF THINGS and "General Quality"
Lol
dark depot
more curation then steam or android hahahaha
gloomy helm
Technical competency curation is good enough
safe rose
I mean, sure, if you really want to get down to semantics. But that's not true curation process
Not the one that most would expect
maiden swift
That's your opinion. We'll just have to disagree on their curation strategy I guess.
thorny cipher
If the review process is anything like the MP, we are in somewhat good hands
gloomy helm
Hahahah
maiden swift
I'm sure this will be cleared up later when more info comes along.
safe rose
There's really no curation strategy in place
fierce tulip
lol
thorny cipher
If you compare the UE mp to unity's you can see a major difference in quality
safe rose
Well if it's MP standards, then we're pretty much fucked
Hopefully it's a different team entirely
thorny cipher
Well ofc it would have to be a different team
gloomy helm
I wonder if we'll be able to buy games with Vbucks
dark depot
hahahahaha
thorny cipher
Yeah that 15 day refund is in vbucks
safe rose
@gloomy helm As stupid as that sounds...
gloomy helm
That's already a thing haha
thorny cipher
instead of steam dollars, it's all vbucks
safe rose
I could almost see that a possibility
gloomy helm
You can refund UE marketplace assets for vbucks
thorny cipher
yikes
thorny cipher
epic coin?
cedar snow
dallar!
cedar snow
EPICo
safe rose
It's a good Tuesday WTF just happened moment
cedar snow
EpICO
gloomy helm
Cant wait for Tim to be on the stage at the Game Awards standing next to Hydrobot
safe rose
And this is what I am talking about
thorny cipher
we can all thank the 12 yr old kids using their moms credit cards π
thorny cipher
thank you millennials
dark depot
haha in the middle of reading that
safe rose
Steam only has one thing it can do
gloomy helm
Steam seems to be more focused on AAA anyway
dark depot
yeah but AAA were already leaving steam
maiden swift
@thorny cipher But millenials aren't kids. π€
dark depot
^
maiden swift
20s-30s
wary wave
AAA is eating itself
dark depot
millenials are 25 to like 35ish
safe rose
But the youngings
maiden swift
Well, 18-34 to be somewhat precise.
safe rose
are kids by millenials
So they act like their parents
They are worse
Having Google and iPads since 2 years old
That instant gratification and social media addiction
safe rose
GenX?
maiden swift
Gen Z.
maiden swift
Or iGen.
thorny cipher
ok
safe rose
Something
thorny cipher
ty gen fortnite
maiden swift
lol
safe rose
Gen Forkknife
thorny cipher
\
dark depot
well i have to say epic couldnt of picked a greater time to announce this considering all weekend has been devs indie and AAA alike complaining about steam
safe rose
Seriously though. The next few days/weeks are going to be interesting for us.
maiden swift
Indeed.
safe rose
Can't wait to see what happens.
maiden swift
I highly recommend watching The Game Awards if you weren't already going to.
safe rose
Nah
thorny cipher
well
safe rose
The biggest things will happen very soon
maiden swift
Thursday December 6. π
safe rose
But Steam is slow as heck with change sometimes
maiden swift
Dude. I can't even comprehend it.
thorny cipher
It marks my 3rd year anniversary of starting in ue4
maiden swift
Think about this: in 28 days, it will be 2019. π±
gloomy helm
If only your skill matched your years of experience
dark depot
ouch
thorny cipher
@gloomy helm kappa
fierce tulip
@gloomy helm was thinking about that today actually, i wish I could kick teen-me in the nuts repeatedly
dark depot
https://twitter.com/FreakyZoid/status/1069980281979985921 this tweet is every person in charge of store art right now
Twitter
thorny cipher
lol
fierce tulip
<_< I hope they dont add the rather messy compression like they do with mp images :p
gloomy helm
Wonder what VR titles will be in the initial launch
thorny cipher
@gloomy helm not decaying substance
fierce tulip
<_< there are already store related questions on the forums.. in the mp section
dark depot
oh yeah people are excited
gloomy helm
The steam subreddit is already crying about another storefront
dark depot
ugh i hate when articles refer to epic as just fortnite dev
ionic sorrel
question: I bought a load of assets in the market place and i just want to check them out, how do I load them into a project? I cant seem to find them anywhere, do I need to download them ?
dark depot
yeah they will be listed under library
grim ore
fortnite is not under your library
did you go to the unreal engine tab then go to library?
ionic sorrel
yeah , so there's the engines at the top, my projects and vault. non of the recent stuff is in the vault
hohoho wait a second
they have loaded in now,,, man cmon unreal , at least tell me you're downloading them
tisk
sudden cave
Hello
grim ore
yep the new launcher does that because "it's lightweight"
ionic sorrel
thank guys sorry it was my impatience
grim ore
there used to be a loading bar at the top or bottom but I don't know on the new version
sudden cave
So, I'm having some issues with level sequences, their integration and some blueprinting with them
Where would be a good place to ask about that?
grim ore
you can always ask in here, at the worst people will yell at you. at the best we will help. At the middle we will ignore you π
teal tulip
Millenials are from 1981 to 1995 @maiden swift
sudden cave
Aight, so
humble timber
I guess the new Epic games store isnt bad news for folk with Marketplaces... more traffic
sudden cave
I have a sequence which has the player open a door when you interact with it
Sequence has its own camera
ionic sorrel
@teal tulip damn.. this is grave news
sudden cave
And it works with one door, but with the other, the game won't switch to the sequence camera
teal tulip
well in the best cause you can include millenials up 1981 to 1999
post 1999 or post 1996 are Gen Z
sudden cave
I'm trying to figure out what the cause of that can be
teal tulip
Z like the zombies
grim ore
is it another sequence completely?
sudden cave
They're two different sequences, yeah, which makes me think that there's a difference between the two
Well, one sequence and another "duplicated" from it
grim ore
ah, is the camera inside the sequence then and not a separate one you are referencing?
sudden cave
It is inside yeah
teal tulip
@maiden swift @safe rose so thats the bad news you're millenial
well in the case you're under 40 years old
if that isn't the case then you're a granny
as the oficial date is up 37-38 years now
sudden cave
Follow-up question, when a camera is inside of a sequence, is it safe to assume that a Set View Target with Blend isn't possible with it? Or am I just missing something?
wary wave
generally speaking it's 1984 onwards
though there's a less used classification for people between 84 and 94 that I can't recall (pre-Internet children, essentially)
teal tulip
actually is 1981 amber
wary wave
84 - because you would not yet have been 16 (ergo adult) at the turn of the millenium
digital anchor
wary wave
well, they're wrong :p
teal tulip
already moved so
cinder nest
Hello I am here because my best friend Nick said there was quite the discussion
sudden cave
Alright I think I figured out what the problem was
The camera wasn't added to the camera cuts of that sequence, or whatever has to be done there
So that's one problem solved
lime cobalt
thanks for creating the Epic games store Epic, you're the very best
surreal viper
Lol let's wait how it works out first
lime cobalt
sure but the intent at least is awesome
surreal viper
It is promising but there are reasons to worry
lime cobalt
granted if the storefront is made the same way epic launcher is made, it's gonna be tricky
devs gonna have to make great games to show it's not a shovelware store
tall pendant
i'd say Epic has to show an true commitment to the "quality over quantity" policy to show it's not just another shovelware storefront.
another question is does an epic store actually has an far enough reach on the market?
teal tulip
@tribal pebble cause you have to bake the light
lime cobalt
there's no shovelware on itch.io, and yet the platform has no curation.. so I believe its possible
(I won't get into arguments about why i'm against curation because if so, I end up doing very passionate arguments every day and it can be super tiring and anoying)
as for the market reach imo it's a sort of catch 22, it's in every way up to the devs to make it happen
awesome games on the store == store becomes popular, store being popular== indie devs publishing with it
lime cobalt
yeah that too
tribal pebble
the light is baked
@teal tulip
online i read this "f you want to remove the preview watermark when you are in the editor view as you are working this can be easily done. Simply click on the Show tab in the viewport - go to Visualize and untick the Preview Shadow Indicator option. "
static viper
where did you get the meshes for the yugi?
surreal viper
U can
lime cobalt
I hope it's possible to do multi-store publishing yeah
tribal pebble
do you also know a way to make the meshes smooth? you can see the polygons and that bother me (its got smooth shading already) i just need to raise its resolution somehow
ovo gmod
tall pendant
or it go's like itt did with steam
static viper
so you took models from a garrys mod user uploaded package
and put them into unreal?
tribal pebble
just, do you know how to subdivide in ue4? @static viper
tassellation seems destructive
or whatever its name was
no one?
Like really there is no way to subdivide a mesh in ue4?
static viper
So you said you were on a deadline for this
what deadline is that if one is ok to know?
tribal pebble
yes i am the producer and animator
static viper
with what goal?
tribal pebble
well gtg cya in 5 hours
grim juniper
There's an experimental mesh editor which can subdivide meshes. Needs to be enabled with a console command
tribal pebble
please tell me more i'll look back at it later
next badger
Epic Store?
grim juniper
It was added in 4.20 even though they never announced anything. It might crash the editor if you mess around with it too much, but from my experience just using the subdivide should be fine. Either way just be prepared for the worst. Anyway, you use the console command MeshEditor.Enable to enable it
cerulean nova
Materials vs Textures and if i work on a factory with huge outside walls what would be the best solution for making the assets to not look repetetive or the texture looking to stretched?
flat stump
you know I put off learning UE4 C++ (even though I'm a C++ dev) because I was worried mixing BP and C++ would be a nightmare, but its actually not that bad so far.
it has its quirks of course, but its not aweful.
flat stump
honestly its better than mixing Qt/C++ with Qt/QML even though I have to say Qt/C++ is a little bit nicer than UE4/C++ (but that may be just because of 15 years working with Qt lol)
plush yew
I've been building in 4.20.3 and have seen changes justifying a move to the new work; should I migrate and begin to rebuild now or give it more time? I have not tried to open the project with the updated engine. I assume it wiser to start from scratch?
unique spire
I also would like to know the answer to this question, but in all serious Epic could be the new platform for buying games if developers decide to use it to keep more money
jagged garden
it's probably a crappy catch 22 for now. I think for the forseeable future, developers will get a lot less money if they only go with Epic... I worry that first we need proof that Epic will provide a social platform that actually competes with steam, then there will need to be a long period where developers sell on both, but drop their price on Epic's store by 15-20%... and a lot of media buzz over the fact that the consumer can save money by using Epic's store... work on pulling over the consumer base for a few years, and then everyone can win after that
unique spire
They also need to establish the quality control.
gleaming creek
That depends on what you need help with
There are specific channels for most subjects
gleaming creek
Or you can ask general questions here, but they may be drowned in other talk
stoic cobalt
what do you mean fix
stoic cobalt
i just boosted it up to 100 so you can see the issue better
static viper
mh
erm
take dis to #graphics direct pls
this might be just a minor issue fast to resolve
fierce tulip
ive never NOT seen tesselation do that in ue4 hehe.
static viper
well then every material pack with tesselation on the marketplace should be packed with these issue comments? π
static viper
doesnt that make tesselation inherintly useless?
fierce tulip
not sure if its just my rig though, ive seen it in games working fine. though, havent played any ue4 games lately that use it
dusk vault
anyone knows how to install VXGi on UE 4.21?
tall pendant
you can't just install VXGI on UE4. You need to grab their branch and build from source.
wise sleet
Is there any way to set r.GraphicsAdapter via command line? It works when I set it via .ini files. But I'd like to be able to change it via command line.
I'm guessing maybe no because it's a variable that can't be loaded at runtime. But hoping there is some way.
ruby folio
Any ideas what could prevent me from painting foliage on a static mesh?
I have lots of static meshes in my scene. I can paint on some, but not others.
stoic cobalt
are they movable?
stoic cobalt
idk then
dark depot
@ruby folio do they have collision
dark depot
i was thinking he was talking about the bottom ones
static viper
me too
dark depot
oh got you haha
hidden berry
Hey, i gotta quick question. Could i make an interactive menu app for my work in unreal ? for android
rustic panther
is there a better way to get keyboard events
like when you type e and get everything with e in it to find the press e event
something like 'key e'
grim ore
something like key e works you just might not hit the exact key the first time if there are others like Enter or Escape but no there is no real shortcut that I know of. It's auto completing to keyboard events then the key
ruby folio
I wish we could use LandscapeGrassType with foliage painting instead of just FoliageType.
Would save a lot of hassle
stoic cobalt
Nice
high stone
Congrats to Unreal for competing with Valve. I warned people about the lack of competition in the space. Hopefully this destroy's the 30% royalty Steam gets from devs.
thin hemlock
Steam recently introduced a sort of graduated rev share so if your game makes over a certain amount of money you then will get 80/20 split with valve
but that's out of the window now
vale silo
gotta make 10M on Steam to get that 80/20 split..
thin hemlock
oh wow lmao
thin hemlock
gotcha
high stone
If Unreal has 10%. GG, I'm heading to your store. Steam can get rekt.
flat stump
updating to 4.21.1 now π
thin hemlock
Not sure if this is the correct channel for this but does anyone have examples or articles of good workflows they use for programming and development in Unreal in general? I've recently switched over from Unity within the last 3 months gaining a little bit of experience here and there
high stone
You can search for it on YT. Unfortunately you're using Google's search engine (which has gotten worse over the years.) But once you type in the right keywords. It should produce a specific channel dedicated to the subjects you're looking for.
thin hemlock
the ones I have seen are geared towards Blueprints and modeling, mainly non-coding aspects, I've been looking for I guess the steps developers are taking for adding new features into their games
high stone
Very few people try the sciences, math, and coding on YT. Doesn't pull in the views. (Unless they start talking junk science.) Still you should eventually find the right places between Google and YT. Gamasutra might be another good locale.
hoary charm
has this happened to anyone before? I cannot access unreal engine or anything https://i.gyazo.com/8723e33f75f60da78911d4ff27d97857.png
winter fossil
@hoary charm the launcher updated on my end, might have something to do with it
plush yew
Hello I'm new, why cant I find a tutorial anywhere about importing a map to your project?
ruby folio
@high stone Where did you hear this news?
Ahh... Twitter
Updated Launcher is a lot nicer
@plush yew I'm sorry. But you aint looking hard enough XD
What do you mean exactly by importing a map.
What are you exporting a "map" from in the first place
plush yew
I added one to my project from the market called Infinity Blade Fire Lands and I also downloaded one that gives me a rar with this
its a virus
π±
delete it
it's from a pretty legit looking video though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AW3c24hFJA
nevermind I think I got it
ruby folio
@plush yew Aoife is pulling your leg.
You just need to add it to your project via the launcher
Or if the fire lands comes as a project. Just migrate it from one project to another
plush yew
Thanks
ruby folio
You can always just grab the content via your native file manager and copy/move them across
plush yew
just opened up UE4 for the first time
im looking forward to migrating from unity to this...
grim juniper
I remember opening the editor for the first time and thinking it looks a lot nicer and more organized than I was expecting
void geyser
as a programmer, I'm used to using log statements to see where I am in my program's code/workflow - what's the equivalent in blueprints?
ruby folio
Opening the window side by side during gameplay
worn granite
Well I'd hope you knew about debugging using your code editor or a debugger
that is, unless your language can't be debugged
icy bone
@void geyser print string
flat stump
@thin hemlock I will say, as an experienced develer that uses both Unity and fairly new to UE4 - its a lot harder to find answers to issues and workflow advice for UE4 compared to Unity. With Unity you can google just about anything and get an answer. Its not the case with UE4 but this chat room helps a lot with that problem!
flat stump
I think its because with UE4 its largely used by companies instead of individuals and they tend to retain knowledge rather than sharing it. It also means people seek help from their in-house UE gurus instead of internet forums. This leads to a lot less being out there.
but that is just a theory
grim ore
put a print string node every other node for debugging in blueprints!
dark depot
ive had zero times where i couldnt find an answer to something for ue4
icy bone
@plush yew welcome
flat stump
@dark depot congratulations π
worn granite
@dark depot Aye, when I can't find someting by googling, I turn to my in-house UE4 guru (myself)
dark depot
heck follow @grim ore < youtube and you can learn what nearly every node in bp does haha
grim ore
well it's not horrible since you have a few million color options for your print strings to use π
flat stump
oh whats the yt channel?
dark depot
just look up wtf ue4 on youtube
tribal pebble
wat cinecamera is weird , when i use Focus to the actor everything is focussed BUT the actor ,wtf
grim ore
http://www.youtube.com/MathewWadsteinTutorials π I made it easy
wtf
stupid discord parser
flat stump
neat! subscribed will be checking out some of them soon!
icy bone
@flat stump ue4 is best when u use C++, cus u can browse the source and see how things are done. for other stuff tutorials cover a fair deal
plush yew
whats a good yt tutorial for C++?
no offense to you @grim ore I'm just not one for visual stuff :P
flat stump
if you are just starting C++, Virtus Education is doing a C++ series right now I think
grim ore
If the C++ in UE4 was more fun I would totally cover C++ as well
dark depot
depends on what you need to find in C++
worn granite
C++ in UE4 is fun tho
grim ore
more fun
flat stump
hahaha
dark depot
haha
flat stump
Virtus is good for getting your feet wet with UE4
dark depot
watch to learn what not to do
flat stump
IMHO
it may not be full of best practices - but he will get you actually doing something
and there is a lot to say for that
dark depot
sometimes
worn granite
Its not about it being full of best practices
plush yew
what do you mean by best practices?
icy bone
@dark depot Udemy classes are good.
worn granite
In my case I mean not showing some of the most foot-shooty methods of doing things
flat stump
like "dont put tons of crap in your level blueprint" or "always check for null pointers"
dark depot
lets make an example would you like to a script that can work for 1 single door or something that would work to create all doors
plush yew
ohhh
grim ore
always avoid the level blueprint and is valid is your friend π
plush yew
Oh I hate having to do that... and he doesnt have the best practices?
worn granite
Sure, yeah, nifty tricks that are more elegant might be out of scope of introductory content, but lets NOT saw off our feet.
icy bone
@plush yew Tom Looman class on Udemy got me fairly comfortable in ue4
flat stump
well often he will say things like "we will just put this in our level blueprint for now but we will move it later" then never does
stuff like that π
hushed wing
Don't use Timers with really low values (sub frametime values). It will end up calling it multiple times a frame. (Haven't confirmed myself).
grim ore
Tom Looman is a good guy from what I have learned from him, π
tribal pebble
what does this mean ? anyone help i'm trying to remove the "preview" watermark
worn granite
I could make a list of people in the blueprint channel who are more lost on account of following his stuff
tribal pebble
i can't interpret that help
dark depot
if you know enough about the engine of dev if general you should be able to fix that but alot of the people learning from there dont
worn granite
Like without his channel its my opinion they'd be further along in understanding UE4
tribal pebble
i dunno i just need to remove the watermark when rendering movies
grim ore
Preview means you need to build the lighting or uncheck the show preview option in the viewport settings
tribal pebble
can't find it
grim ore
or I guess change to realtime lighting
flat stump
@worn granite yeah but he does give lower barier of entry - I bet 50% of those people with issues with his tutorials wouldn't even be using UE at all without them
dark depot
hit the giant build butotn
dark depot
more then one thing casting the shadow
tribal pebble
ok but the build works for everything? cuz this is an animated thing
its an animation
worn granite
Nah they'd be using tesla tuts or matthewW's channel or something.
hushed wing
Low barrier of entry is the motto behind a lot of bad choices for unreal engine 4 imo...
worn granite
Or they'd be using one of the other mechanic vlog channels
flat stump
@hushed wing lol
grim ore
What is the "preview" watermark on?
grim ore
so it's on your UI?
grim ore
weird so it's on your skeletal mesh?
hushed wing
For instance: Everyone needs to learn how to use Ticks. So let's have everything tick by default every frame. That way no one will have to look for how to turn on tick. Easy to start!
hushed wing
Let's just hope no one builds anything big.
worn granite
I can't really recommend alternatives to that channel that are free - but I will say you never see me over here bashing the ben tristem course on udemy.
Did you know, making games is easier than you thinkβ’?
dark depot
yeah i really wish that was off by default
flat stump
I'd love there to be something better to recommend to total newbs that never programmed anything before, but so far for UE I have not found anything better than the Virtus tutorials but I'm open to ideas π
dark depot
and if you plugged something into the tick node it enabled
grim ore
and this is unchecked? https://i.imgur.com/NO1Mtl8.png
worn granite
(on a serious note, I actually don't have any issues with that course and have seen about the same amount of it and virtus)
tribal pebble
baking light is crap ,it now overlaps on things Q_Q
cuz some uvs overlap
expecially on characters to consume less
it is turned off
worn granite
@flat stump literally the official BP series
tribal pebble
i turned it off as recomended by someone @grim ore so now you say to turn it back on?
but movable lights look like ****
dark depot
or improve your models
worn granite
they aren't perfect either
dark depot
so improve your scene
tribal pebble
HOW
grim ore
no if it's off then you shouldn't be seeing the preview stuff, that is odd
hushed wing
Things that should be off by default (off the top of my head):
- Ticking on by default. Actor and Components.
- Generate Overlap Events on Hit
- That was actually it, so i'll throw in a Multicast feature that actually wakes up Actors on clients that are many kilometers away to 100% ensure that they run that reliable multicast RPC. :p
flat stump
@worn granite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyGUprC5hkY
dark depot
things need a lightmap uv
flat stump
Ma@GameJolt did a remix of the Udemy guy ad
tired oracle
Which config file do I need to edit to set default console commands for when I'm in the editor? I put commands in DefaultEditor.ini but it is ignoring them
tribal pebble
how do i unbake
dude it looked amazing without baking anything the only annoying thing was the text
everything else was perfect D:
dark depot
so use mobile lighting
grim ore
if you arent baking and didnt use baking before switch your lights to movable
dark depot
that is what you need when its not baked
tribal pebble
i did switch to movale
when i do everything looks bland
movable lights suck
HELP
how do i unbake
dark depot
its not on movable in that screen
tribal pebble
man thats nonsense ,it looked great before the only bad thing was just the text
dark depot
so you can fix the lightmap uvs if you dont want it to look like crap
tribal pebble
how does that make sense tho ,since many games have overlapping uv to not consume much space
and have a better performance
grim ore
uh your picture from before was from a solution btw lol https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/700903/edit-preview-watermark.html
tribal pebble
@grim ore the tickbox is off still shows it
grim ore
I guess you can just modify the texture to remove it lol
tribal pebble
yes
i dunno where it is
people write " /Engine/EditorMaterials called PreviewShadowIndicatorMaterial "
i dunno what it even means
grim ore
yep apparently even if it's off that is for the viewport and not for sequences, you have to bake or go with just movable
in your content browser click on view options then engine content
tribal pebble
where is this at You will need to Tick ''Show Engine Content' in the view options of the Content Browser then use the sources panel to navigate to the location.
grim ore
it's the bottom right of the Content Browser
dark depot
oh your the person from earlier with stolen assets right. learn to model and it will help you be able to use them right in ue4
plush yew
How do I stop Characters from bouncing each other into the air? I don't want them to be able to jump or bounce like that
flat stump
baking lighting for me goes to 98% then like 30min later 99% then 45min later 100% I wonder what those 2% are
grim ore
but you will have to fix your lighting at some point, either nuking your lightmaps and going back to movable or baking it properly.
grim ore
tribal pebble
ohh
dark depot
well im sorry if you made these just based on what you were saying earlier these are stolen pokemon assets or something
tribal pebble
stolen?
grim ore
@plush yew it sounds like you have physics turned on and they are just reacting if they get forced into eachother?
tribal pebble
and?
flat stump
are they actually stolen assets? or like asset store assets?
tribal pebble
bruh
its an animation
peopel make animations in sfm with "STOLEN ASSETS"
i don't see your point
dark depot
you think just because its an animation its not stolen
flat stump
yeah I mean if someone is making like a fan animation or something for deviantant or something like that its a bit much to be hard on them about using a ripped asset IMHO
if its for something commercial though....
tribal pebble
what's commercial about this?
plush yew
@grim ore How do we turn off physics on all objects? Is there a full kill switch?
tribal pebble
its just a damn parody video on youtub
dark depot
im not im telling you that your going to have this issue if you dont make some lightmap uvs
tribal pebble
no no
you are going to tell me why are you searching for trouble
do you have a bad day or something
i'm not in the mood of arguing on behalf of millions
dark depot
dude i think your not understanding what i mean
tribal pebble
no you are not understanding
dark depot
literally just telling you how to fix your issue
dark depot
i didnt say that
flat stump
alright alright guys
dark depot
i did because your in a group of content creators and the issue your having is because you didnt make the models yourself so they need to be set up correctly for what your trying to do
plush yew
wew....
tribal pebble
dude
even if i made the models myself
it would be there
consider the fact that i had to redo parts of the mesh
redo the uv'ing
redo the rig
redo almost everything
dark depot
no you need a 2nd uv channel
flat stump
there are plenty people here who don't model and still need to fix issues with models
tribal pebble
my chocies were to overlap uvs
dark depot
that is the issue with the lighting
flat stump
I am not a modeler but still have to fix issues with models I get from my modelers
tribal pebble
just say cordially " remember to not overlap uvs for ue4"
dark depot
you need one for color data and another for lighting that is how it works π
tribal pebble
insthead of saying i'm a cheap ass burglar
grim ore
@plush yew I don't think you can, there are project settings but none for disabling completely. You would have to do it on the actors themselves.
plush yew
@grim ore looks like I don't have physics turned on on any of my meshes.
Gravity is enabled though
grim ore
@plush yew do you have an example or a video or something showing the issue?
tribal pebble
mate listen ,i make 3D models as a living , I MAKE THEM for people THAT PAY ME , this is a parody done for no monetary reward, so i won't make them from scratch i will download what's aviable on sfm or gmod @flat stump @dark depot
plush yew
right, I think I asked but I didn't see any answers: do you have any non-paid recommendations for UE4 C++ game design?
grim ore
and you mentioned characters and characters have "physics" in the fact they are special actors that react physically. Generally if something goes violently in a direction it's due to it penetrating into something else and being forced out. like something spawning inside something else for example.
flat stump
@tribal pebble I think its ok to drop it, its become a one sided convo at this point
plush yew
then take it to DM...
tribal pebble
why should i spend most of my time making a new model
plush yew
you're paid for it?
tribal pebble
when something is already ready for that
no
i'm not payed for that animation
i'm payed for making models , not for animating this animation with gmod models
plush yew
if youre paid for making models and you're copying models that doesn't really seem right...
flat stump
I understand but its just you shouting now. dude was a bit of a jerk but now you are becoming jerk too. two jerks does not make a chat better π
tribal pebble
copying models
what you talking about
what don't you understand about I'm NOT GETTING PAYED FOR HTIS
plush yew
dude chill
tribal pebble
the models were not even copied they were downloaded from GMOD Workshop and i changed uv's , rig and some colours
plush yew
right does anyone have a recommendation for UE4 C++?
tribal pebble
no
plush yew
@grim ore https://streamable.com/w2yae
hushed wing
i've heard the udemy course is good @plush yew But unfortunately I learned on the job :p
hushed wing
Sorry, only one i've heard of that is good. It's not that expensive i think? :d
flat stump
@plush yew best solution i have found is open VS and type some giberish then post the error message in #cpp and ask why it doesn't work and someone there will magically know how to make whatever it was you wanted to do work.
dark depot
most things are payed aoife other then that maybe the docs
plush yew
I've found with linux you just post to the forums "wow, I dont know why Im on linux, windows is so much better"
then detail your problem
dark depot
haha
plush yew
theyll come out of the woodwork
hushed wing
And then everyone comes running agreeing how much better windows is :d
plush yew
ouch
hushed wing
(I'm kidding, don't kill me)
plush yew
@grim ore any ideas?
flat stump
ok watching @grim ore 's MVP video while my lighting builds
grim ore
@plush yew the easiest solution might be to make them not collide with eachother at all
plush yew
@grim ore is there a way to make them avoid each other
dark depot
@tribal pebble the main reason i brought it up is that piracy is against this servers rules and using stolen copyrighted models is piracy if you like it or not. we all understand that your not getting payed for this. also this is a server with people that model for a living and having models taken and used without their permission is a huge issue i dont care that lots of pleople do it now please stop trying to DM me thanks
tribal pebble
I HAD THAT happen to me
but if something is aviable on the workshop , to me it works
its a big discussion that doesn't have absolutes imo
flat stump
guys really seriously please drop it
tribal pebble
i mean he wants to talk only here and not in the DM'S xD
flat stump
i dont blame him drop it
tribal pebble
i guess!
fierce tulip
seriously, drop it.
problem solved, discussion about the other thing is moot.
tribal pebble
yea so screenshots that have assets that come from Workshops is not allowed too?
because i can obviously hide unneeded things if the need is there
grim ore
@plush yew I am thinking no since your using physics to push them so they are going to react like that. The alternative is to set them to ignore eachother for collisions so they can pass thru eachother or make them just not react when hit with physics or uh remove the physics for when they are hit with the bullet maybe?
plush yew
Why is the path finding not calculating the other objects? @grim ore
Do I need to increase the nav agent size?
grim ore
path finding works when they are moving, it looks like they arent being moved but thrown physically so no pathfinding at that point
I can't really tell based on the video what is really knocking them into eachother
hushed wing
@plush yew Do you have extra collisions on these actors other than their capsule collisions?
plush yew
The characters will never need to bump something in this type of game
grim ore
@plush yew you can try that but who knows what will happen lol π physics are evil
flat stump
liking the MVP tutorial so far @grim ore π one suggestion: when talking about version (in video 2) emphasize that even though there is 4.21 now everything from 4.12 still applies. When I was first starting I would see something from 4.10 or so and think "oh this is our of date" and stop watching immediately.
hushed wing
The CharacterMovementComponent does not care about any additional collision components on your pawn when it tries to move it around. It only takes the root capsule component into consideration. So if you have an additional bigger sphere collision (for instance), they will still try to forcefully walk as close as they can until their main capsule component hits something. If the bigger collision has collision with other stuff, you can get some really weird launchy-physics.
plush yew
It looks like they are just pushing each other out of the way.
grim ore
@flat stump I might touch on that at some point, I think near the sequencer video since it was new at the time. I am doing a newer series but even then stuff from older versions does not actually apply forward so it's hard to make that statement. things like the animation editor have changed the way blendspaces are displayed for example and older tutorials with them are way off π¦
to be honest stuff in UE4 from a year or 2 ago might not even work anymore it's just a bummer when trying to make lessons π¦
but it's the same for Unity so I don't feel as bad π
flat stump
Building Lighting is like the old windows file copy dialog - it sits at 99% for 100000x longer than it took to get to 99%
silver crown
Progress bars are hard to create 
pallid compass
Much hard
novel mango
you mean impossible?
raw olive
aww bummer
I'm trying out a Udemy course, but it hasn't been updated in over a year
Hoping not too much has changed, and that I can fill in the gaps with the documentation
grim ore
usually the docs recently point out the changes when systems change so hope you get lucky if you run into a problem lol
flat stump
yeah I started with UE about a year ago but only full time recently I think a year old is still fine for 95% of things
plush yew
@grim ore i got it
raw olive
From what I can gather it's mostly just using the editor, setting up Projects and super basic stuff
plush yew
set jump off z factor to 0 on the char move comp
raw olive
no fancy shader stuff
grim ore
ah ha, nice. You might have also been able to lock the z position on the character
flat stump
For the most part if you can program in BP already then doing UE4 C++ is very easy
grim ore
I couldnt really tell if it was geting tossed up and to the side or just the side
flat stump
Most of the C++ functions and stuff are named the same as the blueprints which helps a lot
flat stump
lol
raw olive
I'm just starting to learn Blueprints, I started with C++, C
flat stump
my main background is in C++ but I actually like BP a lot
novel mango
I haven't touched UE4 in a long time. I decided to try packaging WebGL to see how far things have gone. Filesize is still pretty darn big.
pallid compass
Bp is good start0
Easy to find your way around the engine
Trying that with c++ is hard
grim ore
BP and C++ are just coding logic, BP just wraps it up into a pretty node where you don't have to remember syntax and most things are intuitive. You can just run into weird brick walls easier if you need stuff not exposed.
hushed wing
Bp is good for fast prototyping, small tweaks and modding. I strongly dislike it for all other purposes π
novel mango
But the funny thing was that the package ended up printing SetRes(x,y) to the console in the browser, meaning that opening the console consumed more resources than the actual game itself.
raw olive
yeah luckily from what I can tell there isn't really any abstraction between BP and programming in C++
flat stump
@plush yew yeah like the first iteration, a quick demo etc
raw olive
it seems pretty one to one as far as what you can do with it
grim ore
WebGL and UE4 are not friends. File size and networking made me cry last month with that.
flat stump
Like on my current project we started out doing everything in blueprints but it looked like a bowl of speghetti pretty quick
plush yew
question: if you can make a first iteration, what reason is there to go back and rebuild with C++ instead of just tweaking BP?
flat stump
so now we are going back and rewiting a lot of it in C++ now that we have the idea proved
hushed wing
For instance me or a designer wants to create a farming system. We can get a quick setup working to figure out how we want the system to work in blueprints. And we'd make it work with 1 seed, that would turn into 1 potato. @plush yew But when we went to actually implement the full farming system, we'd do it in C++
novel mango
Honestly, the scripting part for the other engine seemed to flow better than it does in UE4.
grim ore
lol I am implementing a farming system for a game right now in BP
flat stump
LOL
raw olive
I can imagine BPs bloat very quickly
plush yew
alright. I still dont understand why you would do the full farming system in C++ when you can use BP...
hushed wing
Blueprints are also horrible for multi-user cooperation. Unless you're very strict and good with spreading out your logic into different assets.
novel mango
I find big BPs really difficult to parse. Much more difficult than code.
hushed wing
Unmergeable code is the DEVIL
grim ore
Blueprints are no worse than code in terms of bloat as the dev is the one in charge of it. I can make stupid stuff in Code as easily as I can in BP.
plush yew
I see.
novel mango
Well, BPs bloat quickly though, because basic nodes take up a lot of space.
raw olive
I meant bloat in the sense of becoming difficult to actually handle
flat stump
yep its true if you are very good about separating out things in bp into functions and stuff
hushed wing
Refactoring is many times easier in C++ though @grim ore
flat stump
and into separate objects
raw olive
like a huge BP, with dozens or hundreds of nodes
novel mango
If you want to chain a bunch of math operations together then your BP becomes really complicated, whereas in code it would be a single line and easily identifiable.
flat stump
@hushed wing I 100% agree
grim ore
working with multiple people tho is where plain text code has advantages for sure if the same people have the same tasks.
hushed wing
Refactoring isn't really a "thing" you do in blueprint. Unless you want everything to explode.
grim ore
There is a math expression node for complex math operations π
flat stump
well you can refactor in BP but yeah its a pain in the ass especially if you have more than one coder
hushed wing
This is my opinion btw, it's clearly colored in the pro c++ camp π So take it with a grain of salt.
grim ore
or yeah just break it down to a C++ snippet and expose it to BP then win win
novel mango
I just wish C++ was as nice to write as C# is.
hushed wing
What you talking about, c++ is life.
grim ore
I won't work in C++ anymore unless I have to and that is why I love Blueprints π
flat stump
@novel mango you should check out Qt. Its not quite as nice as C# but it makes C++ a lot nicer IMHO
hushed wing
To each their own π
novel mango
What do you mean by Qt?
flat stump
Qt is a C++ library
hushed wing
unreferenced assets are automatically removed. Which can be a problem. @plush yew
flat stump
novel mango
I've used some Qt stuff before, but that's not what I meant.
grim ore
making games with blueprints is enjoyable to me when I spend all day doing business stuff in C#. Having to go from code at work to code at home is just blah when I have to work in Unity. All Hail Visual Scripting in Unity in 2019 tho π
hushed wing
You can setup specific folders and whatnot in the project settings if you want to force the game to include unreferenced assets.
novel mango
I meant that code from a syntactical standpoint is just so much nicer in C#.
flat stump
Im enjoying mixing C++ and BP much more than I expected
raw olive
Will be interesting to see how Visual Scripting pans out for Unity
novel mango
Maybe I just dont' have enough familiarity with C++ for it to feel completely natural.
plush yew
thank you for the explanation @hushed wing I appreciate it :)
hushed wing
@molten shore Fair enough. I work with 20~+ people with a mix of C++ and blueprint. So the blueprint part is a horrible mess to maintain π¦
novel mango
@raw olive I feel like Unity really doesn't need it. C# in Unity is really really easy to use.
raw olive
Yeah agreed
grim ore
My only qualm with the VS in Unity so far is the stupid flow is vertical (top to bottom) and that just πΏ
raw olive
Unity's Scripting Reference is really solid which helps a lot
hushed wing
The text-scripting in Unity is like its ONE major advantage o.o why would you exchange that for visual scripting
the world is madness
restive basalt
Despite the usual debate on performance for using blueprints, the impact is neglible and blueprints are insanely powerful. I'm in the multiplayer space and it hasnt stopped me yet!
flat stump
Visual Scripting is great for people that think "I can't code" because it gives them a different way to look at it - like its not coding. Next thing you know they are coding and don't realize it
raw olive
also I just love C#
flat stump
it helps get people over a mental block
hushed wing
@restive basalt We've seen massive improvements moving implementations to C++.
Without me being able to quote numbers, i just remember they were significant.
flat stump
but there is also an inverse, some people won't learn BP because they think it is only for newbies or designers
novel mango
So, when are we going to get visual scripting-focused mainstream programming languages? Advertise it as "program on your phone!"
hushed wing
We'll get AIs that will make things do what we tell them to do @novel mango :d
raw olive
C# + MonoDev with Unity is honestly my dream set up
grim ore
When doing something in C# in unity like a line trace you end up with declaring variable for out, then doing the line trace and seeing if it hit anything, then reacting to it. You have multiple different signatures for the line trace. Learning to code with that method compared to 1 node that just spits out results in BP is awesome when learning.
raw olive
it just works so well, isn't a ram hog like VS taking forever to launch
novel mango
"That time on a Friday evening when you're out at a bar and your boss calls you to fix a problem? No problem with our new Visual Scriptastic language! Just whip out your phone and drag nodes away!"
restive basalt
@hushed wing Not saying its the right fit for everything but you can still make a great game that is optimized without any hiccups
hushed wing
Depends on the scope, but yes. You are most likely correct π @restive basalt
grim ore
only time I would recommend people use text language would be when working on teams on the same parts, binary merging just will never work π¦
flat stump
@novel mango one of our games has a built in level editor with Lua scripting and code editor right in the game, on android π not visual scripting but still I think its cool
hushed wing
@grim ore Do you know that UE4 actually has a 3-way blueprint merging tool?
grim ore
it was super nice once unity realized that and changed the default format for files to text instead of binary
hushed wing
It just doesn't do any actual merging. :p
grim ore
yeah I have played with it and yep It's just horribad
hushed wing
pre-experimental stage
novel mango
aren't blueprints in UE4 just code underneath?
grim ore
Being able to see the actual changes in your source control software is just really nice if you work in a team
novel mango
Can't you copy and paste blueprints into text editors?
flat stump
Yeah UE4+git is ugh super huge repos super quick
novel mango
and it'll give you code?
hushed wing
Technically yes. But it's an abstraction level above that needs to translate it to executable code, which adds overhead and slows it down.
flat stump
yeah but the file itself is binary
grim ore
you can but it's super fragile if the end target you paste it into is not the same as the source
pallid compass
BP's are in VM's
hushed wing
When you press "compile" it does not spew out C++ underneath
pallid compass
They get compiled down in a vm overhead
raw olive
yeah I'd imagine actually building your game just ends up in C++
pallid compass
It can
hushed wing
Then you would not be able to fast-iterate as you are doing now. :p
flat stump
there is a nativize blueprints option
grim ore
you can technically nativize BP but it's miss or miss on it working right lol
hushed wing
does it work now?
novel mango
TIL
hushed wing
We failed at making it work :d
grim ore
it works on basic stuff, it fails hard on the other 99%....
pallid compass
Lmao zeb
flat stump
yes lol miss or miss lol
plush yew
hi
grim ore
we might be exaggerating a bit as you can make it work well enough with the right settings but it's not a click and fix option for most devs which is π¦ but then again needing it is also not needed for most devs
flat stump
I think that nativized BP's still go through a lot of extra code compared to straight C++ implementation
plush yew
Is there anything like this in U?E
novel mango
@flat stump that's pretty much guaranteed
raw olive
the thing is, if you can't migrate BP into C++ yourself then you just don't understand what the BPs are actually doing
manic pawn
the bp to c++ thing does make pretty weird code
novel mango
kind of like writing asm vs what a c++ compiler will spit out
hushed wing
@plush yew ue4 does it, but if you are asking for a way to visualize it like that, you'd probably have to make it yourself.
plush yew
Anything like this in UE4?
grim ore
that gif is just occlusion culling and is native to any 3d engine really.
plush yew
I mean
pallid compass
its not really readable tho
manic pawn
it uses a lot of weird wrappers for working with structs
plush yew
it makes the game run much smoother
flat stump
like getting a BP variable from C++, AFAIK you have to like find the variable by a string name and other weird stuff
hushed wing
Every game engine since many many many many years ago does that @plush yew :p
It's not a new thing.
pallid compass
yes unless its a widget bind
manic pawn
every engine made in the last 2 decades has frustum culling, idk why these posts keep popping up
pallid compass
or something
novel mango
@manic pawn because most people that play games don't know about this
hushed wing
@flat stump Yeah, it works tho. Super fun. ... xP
flat stump
yep π
grim ore
The reason it pops up is the same reason why people are taking apart the new Underworld game with IL Spy and bashing the devs for bad coding practices. Armchair Devs gonna dev
flat stump
for the current project I'm working on there was kind of a process of deciding where to draw the line between C++ classes and BP subclasses
grim ore
It's the same thing that happened when Ark launched and people starting saying it's slow because it was made entirely in BP lol
manic pawn
it is slow though π€
grim ore
the game is slow but it's not due to that tho
hushed wing
Probably didn't help though :d...
grim ore
it's... frustrating to play on the switch as well π¦
pallid compass
u wann look at ark internals
worn granite
@novel mango what you get when you copy blueprints is closer to html than it is code.
pallid compass
the bp is borderline insane
every single material has the same top level master class lmao
manic pawn
it is actually insane*
grim ore
yeah bad decisions are more to blame than the engine
Conan Exiles does a great job for example with the same premise
hushed wing
thanks @grim ore :p
manic pawn
wtf did they still not upgrade
pallid compass
no