Paragon gave us visual stuff, Fortnite optimization and network
#ue4-general
languid shard
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plush yew
as in freely available
plush yew
cant find any release date on that
huh? i thought they were releasing it as a free download
by teh end of the year sometime
languid shard
?
frank escarp
with fortnite br...
probably not anymore
after all fortnite br was designed as an "ad" for save the world
so people buy it
frank escarp
at the moment fortnite br makes more money than save the world
they hoped to F2p-bullshit the fuck out of save the world so people buy lootboxes
but turns out skins are better in battleroyale
they give tons more money
high stone
The recent loot box rulings will end a lot of it.
frank escarp
good
high stone
They'll probably go back to... what did we have before loot boxes?
high stone
So horse armor makes a return.
sudden agate
we had expansion packs :)
high stone
Expansion packs... Yep.
grizzled panther
I had to use autodesk 3ds Max for my final year project, so unfortunately I am on their system forever rip
high stone
I still got Roller Coaster Tycoon 1 & 2.
@grizzled panther Don't worry. If you work in the game industry there's a 80% chance you won't be paying for it.
grizzled panther
so what's the deal with Unreal Engine an their user agreement? I'm guessing you can't sell or share things if you're on the enterprise edition or whatever it's called?
frank escarp
you cant do it anyway, as its closed source
closed source unreal engine gets a massive nerf to its game programming and game publishing stuff
so yeah
grizzled panther
true
I have no idea how the licensing works, or the logistics of a studio using the unreal engine for commercial purposes
high stone
@grizzled panther Attending GDC next year?
high stone
@grizzled panther Ah. Are you entering into film?
static viper
you can work with unreal and not bother about license until you got a game ^^
unreal is free shit
languid shard
@high stone got the box version of every RCT in the attic ๐ข
grizzled panther
I have no idea what i'm doing at the moment, i've only just graduated university
grizzled panther
i'm experimenting with unreal to see if it's something ii'm interested in!
3 years ago I got accepted into a game design/development university course but I declined... so i'm seeing if I could have ever been good at it!
high stone
The RPGMaker can be a good start if you don't want to mess with coding.
grizzled panther
I'm a computer science graduate so the coding doesn't scare me too much
although I was never that good at it
high stone
RPGMaker floats half of Steam's library. Along with the Minecraft engine.
static viper
its actually c++ by now ๐
grizzled panther
Yeah that's what i'm using at the moment! @static viper
static viper
windows edition
languid shard
yeah I was jk
high stone
I just call all voxels the Minecraft engine. Minus the good stuff.
languid shard
haha
static viper
extremly rude.
languid shard
one day I'll port my own from Unity to unreal
grizzled panther
code minecraft in c++ 1 week challenge
high stone
I know. Bart wouldn't like my depiction of voxels.
languid shard
@grizzled panther I made a very barebone minecraft clone in unity in less than a week
grizzled panther
Anything is possible!
static viper
i didnt
languid shard
terrain generation, chunks, world seeds
high stone
I prefer Octrees.
grizzled panther
I remember making a 2d side scroller as part of my course using c++ and openGL
languid shard
octrees was a bit too much when I did this project ๐
grizzled panther
it was hell
languid shard
grizzled panther
ay
high stone
@languid shard Aye. Poor Sebastion got it working in Claybook and it's still crashing more than a Tesla during rush hour.
grizzled panther
looks very cool
languid shard
high stone
Bah! I'm using the high detail voxels.
grizzled panther
wow you're on no mans sky level of procedural
high stone
They are called atom graphics, or giga voxels.
grizzled panther
looks good to me, he's just soaked in blood
high stone
static viper
so many polies
languid shard
*joxels
high stone
No polygon limit in my game. All thanks to N^3 voxels. I think we're pushing 600 billion faces?
Most of that is trees and grass. Dear god trees are 150 mil each!
static viper
rip pc
high stone
Actually it runs over 400 fps.
high stone
Check out Atomontage...
static viper
oh god not you too
frank escarp
Claybook isnt voxels
its distance field raymarching
like the distance fields for DFAO and similar
just.. bigger
and doing full raytracing on them through compute shaders
the maniac changed a lot of ue4 code to add better compute shader support
high stone
Giga Voxel tech is in the process of coming together. It's downside if RAM usage. 196gb.
grizzled panther
sorry I didnt realise you were running a super computer
high stone
Check out OpenVDB for the current breakthroughs.
Ok... So what will Raytracing do for the poly limit?
frank escarp
do you know how raytracing scales, no?
high stone
I heavily recommend you read Nvidia's white papers on the subject. It's finally getting to application phases.
frank escarp
and the vray guys have demoed a raytraced island, at 30 fps, with 300.000.000.000 triangles
high stone
At 1 frame a second. I'm not holding my breath with rays.
high stone
The current Nvidia demos.
frank escarp
the current nvidia demos arent 1 frame a second for raytracing
high stone
They were even slower with the Spiderman movie demo.
high stone
Remove the need for render farms.
frank escarp
they were demoing a frame that was usually rendered in hours
rendering it in seconds
high stone
Yeah. It's still tech that's 5-10 years out from real time application.
frank escarp
the realtime hybrid rendering is legit
im running the samples right now in my 2080
it works
you can do real time raytraced shadows + AO at around 2 miliseconds
for 1080p
and thats actually cheaper than badly done shadows
becouse the godot engine demo shadows take like 20 ms
but thats a special case, those are so badly made raytracing goes faster
high stone
Film needs 8k and higher for their giant screens...
high stone
I'm not saying the tech doesn't work. I'm saying it needs more time. I'm working with what is available now.
Enough of giga voxels are done that we can finally move into phase II.
frank escarp
gigavoxels are dead end tech
now that we are getting better triangle raytracing, there is no point to raytrace voxel octrees
becouse they still have their usual issues
for example, no character skinning
and ridiculous memory usage
high stone
So you defend tech that doesn't even had 1 year under the hood and attack other tech that has been out for over a decade with scores of games released?
waxen fjord
When you say giga voxels, I think of minecraft with really cubes.
high stone
If it were easy then polygons would have died a long time ago. Polygons are around because it's cheap and fast. But it's very limited and not the future.
high stone
Industries of Titan in the works with Crowfall. There's No Man's Sky. Hybrid engines. You need to peruse the indie game releases. There's at least 1 voxel game released a month on there.
high stone
Critical Annihilation. Yeah, they are mostly hybrids.
frank escarp
thats not hybrid, thats just a polygon game
high stone
But guess what they still use? Voxels!
If it were pure polygons. Go lecture that to Miguel some time. I'm sure Voxel Farm would be happy to walk you through.
frank escarp
they are pure polygons
just generated from a octree
wich, btw, isnt voxels
its hermite data
high stone
Sure. Miguel named his company Voxel Farm for laughs.
frank escarp
wich you could argue actually isnt voxels. Its a more complex data structure
high stone
You see why there's so many debates on atom graphics? Whatever term wins out and there will be a term that says 1 thing when it's finally ready, "Not Polygons!"
frank escarp
but atomontage actually isnt polygons
its doing real time raytracing over a voxel octree
high stone
Next you're going to tell me Sub Divisions are also polygons, NURBS and Vector graphics.
frank escarp
given that all of those get turned into triangles to render...
unless you do old school NURBS when they were actual parametric surfaces for rendering
high stone
Voxels use 3d pixels to process data on a grid. If the grid is small enough you can shrink the cubes to the point where the detail looks smooth. However it runs into several issues with intersection, optimization, shadows and animation. With that said. All of those have had fixes for years.
frank escarp
the way those voxels work, is that they are an optimization for raytracing
high stone
Like I said. Go talk to Miguel on Twitter or Gavan. I'm sure they'll give a much more exact description. As of 2016 voxel tech has moved far enough along that it's in phase II. I've been using it myself. Albeit the huge ram issue.
frank escarp
becouse raytracing against triangles was harder. But today we start to get hardware that accelerates triangle raytracing so its FASTER than your voxel engines
pallid compass
Obviously u never used a gud voxel plugin
left citrus
git gud
frank escarp
all i know is not a single "actual voxels" game ever released
only tech demos from either unlimited detail or atomontage
wich are only that, tech demos
high stone
You mean giga voxels.
frank escarp
the other games, like minecraft, just use voxel stuff to make triangles
high stone
So... Are you going to hit up Miguel on twitter or just keep hammering away at a guy who is currently working with atom graphics?
frank escarp
and even if you want cool shit, it seems distance fields have taken the shine of it
i still want to see a demo of an animated character with gigavoxels
high stone
Working on it. I'm still on textures.
If you want to see animated voxels. Hit up Olick on twitter. He got surface animated voxels running.
Back in 2006.
high stone
Jon Olick. He used to work with Carmack.
frank escarp
private twits
high stone
Email him? He has a website. You can also check out his demo videos from Siggraph.
Here's a demo with Dennis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl6PE_n6zTk
frank escarp
nice
left citrus
Pretty fresh
high stone
Like I said. I'm not a engineer. I'm just working with the stuff. I do have to become more familiar with it as time goes on. I really wish someone would define some concrete terms.
My plan for the tech is just like the prior indie devs. I'm not aiming for AAA standards of visuals. Rather I want to create some kind of unique style and expand from there like Claybook.
high stone
I still want to see if I can adapt Claybook to it.
frank escarp
its a distance field. like a 3 gb 3d texture or some shit
high stone
Since voxels has been pushing the hybrid route.
frank escarp
he bakes the objects into that huge distance field texture, and then uses it for rendering
he renders it into the gbuffer, and then unreal takes over
high stone
Yep. Sebastion made some recent breakthroughs. Unfortunately the thing still crashes a lot. I think he's got the right idea.
Tech that works more like the human eye with how images are processed.
frank escarp
have you seen the oculus connect talk
where they talk a little bit about foveated rendering
they comment about using raytracing to cut the rendered pixels by 95%
and using an AI algorythm to "fill the holes"
as on the edges you are only doing like 1 rendered pixel per 10 pixels
high stone
I think pixels, 3d pixels is a more effective method for rendering.
left citrus
AI rendering actually sounds legitimately clever
high stone
AI ambient occlusion. Make that possible and I'm buying it.
languid shard
I'd be surprised if RTX stuff doesn't come with integrated DLSS at some point
render AO at quarter res, use DLSS on it, bam
left citrus
Unreal is getting real time ray tracing soon isn't it? (I should know more about this given unreal is in my job title)
languid shard
prolly in 4.22
around end of the year at earliest, early 2019 else
@left citrus what's your job title ?
left citrus
Unreal Guy
Really that soon?
I know MPC have been going hard on developing realtime GI
@languid shard Unreal Engine Technical Artist
languid shard
oh damn
that's my dream title ๐ฆ
I'm a puny VR Designer rn
Should have asked to be an Unreal Virtual Reality Evangelist instead
left citrus
I'd love to get into VR
high stone
Yep. I'm watching it.
I usually read Nvidia's white papers, or check out tech demos.
Sec... Media Molecule made some amazing advancements with 3d graphics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9KNtnCZDMI
idle thunder
guys how do i restore tab in material editor ? i cant edit material to be transparent without that
languid shard
check in the window dropdown @idle thunder
idle thunder
what should i look for exactly ?
sorry for noob questions but i am fairly new to ue
found it ๐
thanks
left citrus
@high stone This is cool stuff
light thunder
what's this about ? I've checked and only have the one
I have multiple streaming levels with different lighting scenarios but only one lighting level and one skylight for all of the maps
languid shard
@light thunder just ignore it
I've had this error on projects with multiple lighting scenarios aswell
dim arch
yup
you gotta wipe the cache
I usually load the levels separately and build the lighting in them, when I show/hide the levels in the master level it usually leaves some data behind
light thunder
@dim arch How do I do that for lighting? delete intermediate? where is that cache located?
And can anyone explain why my lighting complexity looks like this ? is this because I'm using forward rendering?
ivory trout
hello is there anyone who can tell me how to loop a hub commpass in unreal
light thunder
@languid shard it won't let me build lights though
rather, it doesn't let me build HLOD's, I meant
iron wadi
how do you handle cross contamination of 2 steam acc saves on a single machine using single windows acc?
frank escarp
@light thunder yes. forward rendering doesnt show light complexity
iron wadi
not asking for tutorial, just if you handle it at all in your games
languid shard
@light thunder doesnt let you build hlods ?
have you configured your scene correctly ?
HLOD volumes, LOD settings for the scene etc..
light thunder
the LOD settings I could use help with
my understanding is that you only needed an HLOD volume if you want to specifically make a group into an HLOD cluster
Right now I just want to use the correct settings and have the system do that automatically
languid shard
alas I can't really help you more with HLODs, never had the need to use em ๐ฆ
light thunder
I am looking for someone who has worked with HLOD's but I can never find anyone, even though they are used extensively in Fortnite there is hardly any information about them beyond one livestream
rocky kayak
that was a great livestream tbh
light thunder
It was but they didn't encounter problems, so it's only half helpful
ivory trout
can anyone help me
light thunder
just ask, don't ask to ask
ivory trout
i need to loop a canvis so it does not end
like you know the pubg compass on top
i have that but it does not loop so it ends
ivory trout
one sc
rocky kayak
so i like to do stuff in the background the few times I have to wait for something to load in unreal, has anyone found a way to get around these popups that stay frozen on the screen after alttabbing? https://i.imgur.com/yskgQ6o.png
severe egret
@rocky kayak this used to happen to me a lot. IIRC try going back to the editor and hitting escape
ivory trout
right here
plush yew
Can people send me there portfolios Im making my own and I wanna see how everyone went about doing theres
ivory trout
severe egret
@ivory trout it looks good btw! Very nice
Did you use the default FPS as your foundation?
olive yew
is unreal engine able to handle negative size values?
tall pendant
what exactly do you mean by negative values?
olive yew
negative size values
Let's say an object with positive value looks likes this: -->. The same object with negative value looks like this: <--
severe egret
Makes sense, it would invert
severe egret
I have the editor open, let's find out what happens ๐ฌ
Just entered negative values on a basic cube and it looks exactly the same, so there you have it
scarlet cosmos
Hello guys, I'm new here
plush yew
welcome @scarlet cosmos
ruby folio
Any krita users here know how i can work with the alpha channel to create heightmaps?
olive yew
i cant rotate my door correctly
it just rotates to long so i cant see it
direcly
like that when i just drag a little tiny bit
wary wave
@iron wadi - not sure if you got an answer, but two steam accounts should have two different save files
use the Steam ID as part of the filename / path or whatever
iron wadi
yeah that makes sense, just put them in steam id specific folders
ruby folio
@olive yew Show us an animation instead so we can see whats happening
olive yew
look when i try to rotate it
the whole thing just moves and i cant rotate it a tiny bit
olive yew
Thanks! ๐
young olive
does anyone have any experience with running the new nDisplay that comes with 4.20? sorry if this isn't the right channel, but couldnt find an appropriate one
olive yew
@iron wadi where is the pivot
please help me fix the rotation, it wont stay at the same place
iron wadi
check the door actor
the mesh itself is not in origin of the actor
pivot is where the middle of the actor is (the point where you have the rotation tool)
you need to move the mesh in the actor so that it matches
scarlet cosmos
If i ever need advice with blueprints can i ask in this server?
plush yew
@olive yew Where did you model this in? The origin might not be centered in bottom
olive yew
this is my house
and the pivot is centered in the house when i press the door
how am i suppost to change that
plush yew
After another thought the pivot of the door should be at the door hinge
@olive yew Did you model these things in place like this? Because that seems why the origin of the door is also in the center
In Blender I found when I export an FBX the object origin doesnt matter it's always the center
So you'd have to move the model in place so that the center becomes the correct origin
olive yew
a guy made this in cinema 4d for me
static viper
tell guy to make pivot of door so that door is real
olive yew
so i should tell him = "can you add a pivot in the middle of the doors?"
plush yew
@olive yew yes, is it an FBX? If so you could send me the thing, I can try my best
plush yew
@olive yew Just send via DM on Discord
olive yew
it says "upload failed"
plush yew
Because more than 8MB? Maybe try to upload it on some site and send me the link
slow orbit
Hey there! The project I've been working on for multiple weeks suddenly will not build, because I messed up badly. Could anyone please help?
static viper
you need to post the log for someone to help you
supple totem
oh man doing my first packaging now
are future packages faster? or will they all take this long?
grim sinew
First package takes longest. If you donโt delete the cache files youโll be fine.
gentle moth
Can i get it back?
grim sinew
Is the project folder gone too? Deleting the engine version shouldnโt affect that.
gentle moth
I deleted old version and all old projects gone
grim sinew
I know. You said that. Problem is I donโt believe you on account of that should be impossible.
gentle moth
I wast thinking exactly like that too
grim ore
maybe he put all his projects in the UE4 Engine folder for that engine version?
worn granite
grim ore
time to use your version control software to bring it back
livid haven
๐ต Use source control ๐ต
frosty bloom
Files and folders aren't 100% deleted when they get "deleted", get a software and pray your files aren't damaged
grim sinew
Recuva might do it. There are others too. Sooner you try the better, before the files are overwritten
supple totem
hm... any clever way to not include all assetts in build? Even unused one.
My research says migrate levels to a new project, which only brings over needed assets.
I'm wondering if there is a better way
slender veldt
is anyone successfully using UE4 over a RDP connection?
grim ore
I have Remote desktop'ed into an amazon G server years ago and was able to use UE4 if that is what you are asking?
forest dome
got a question and been up too long making assts and stuff for a weather system but need a value to curve up when triggered for cloud density but if the clouds are already at half for instance want it to start half way up on curve
sonic pagoda
@supple totem if you tell your project settings to include maps it will only use assets referenced by those maps (levels)
supple totem
thanks, ill check that out
sudden agate
what does the Shader Model have to do with Lightbaking?
severe egret
Has anyone had an issue with graphics glitching in the editor? It looks like this
dark depot
looks like z fighting maybe
severe egret
Thought it might be z-fighting, but it's appeared in all of my projects all of a sudden
severe egret
When I make a new project, it's there
dark depot
have you upgraded windows/drivers and things lately
smoky stream
that can also be a sign of you overclocking your GPU too much
severe egret
I haven't upgraded any drivers since I last opened this. If it matters, I'm on a Mac.
severe egret
@pallid compass awwwww are you offering to buy me a new computer โค
dark depot
and you havent upgraded ue4 ?
severe egret
I upgraded it yesterday just in case, uninstalled and reinstalled (though that was due to a separate issue)
pallid compass
no but on a serious note
Just letting you know development on a mac is a nightmare
severe egret
I've heard as much. I'm stuck with the mac for now until I can afford something else. It was a scholarship prize.
plush yew
I noticed if I set Antialiasing (MSAA I believe) up to 8 my gun becomes invisible. I thought it was funny...
r.MSAACount
severe egret
@plush yew do you think the Antialiasing might be causing the glitch?
plush yew
I've seen several issues with AA so far
either MSAA or Temporal
And maybe the Editor itself might have some unique issues that you wouldn't find in game. who knows
The game LawBreakers by example had the ugliest Temporall AA I've ever seen.
It's like something wrong was going on with the characters. it's hard to explain
Ghosting artifacts
Etc.
pallid compass
u in the forward renderer?
severe egret
^reading that to find out what that means ๐
pallid compass
that forward renderer was at u hermit
plush yew
If it's your Anti-Aliasing, that means it's either FXAA or Temporal AA
pallid compass
and vanishing object
plush yew
Yes, the vanishing object had to do with Forward Rendering + MSAA = 8x
pallid compass
thought so
pallid compass
u on mobile at all
and not a clu fam
i am reading through the engine reder settings at all
and by mobile, i mean u using ES mobile stuff
plush yew
Nah I'm making a WIndows game, I was just trying the Forward Rendering path
Im making a fast paced FPS, works better for me
pallid compass
I dont see any notes really on MSAA x8
severe egret
Same here, I remember changing render settings before to fix another problem and I can't remmeber what it was
plush yew
It was just occuring the the default weapons that comes with the FPS template (C++)
I was just testing various console commands to optimize frame rate and visual clarity
pallid compass
u on the latest ver?
plush yew
4.19
plush yew
yes
pallid compass
ah okay
plush yew
But not 4.20x
plush yew
I don't mind, MSAA x4 is plenty
I generally just don't use AA
But players might try to set it to 8x, who knows
pallid compass
Well just dont give them the option
plush yew
This is just a random test scene, I just found this GoW model online to test something. Is it just me or UE4 still look pretty good with everything turned off (barebones), except shadows. Even specular is off here. It almost looks cartoony. In recent years, many games have tried to use a more realistic lighting, but I think it really hurts visual clarity.
The only thing I kept were basically Global Illumination, Shadows (Medium) and Volumetric Lightmap.
pallid compass
Well the comparison becomes invalid right away because your comparing it against a background it was not designed for
and also an uncalibrated light room
If anything the after is just bringing the model closer to match the plain lighter theme that is them blank cubes that are gray.
plush yew
I disagree. And I'm used to seeing UE4 scenes and with recent engines and lighting, it really affect visual clarity. Greatly...
https://i.imgur.com/FwoVgWR.jpg
Characters are difficult to see.
To fix it, the UT dev team had to use some extremely bright saturated colors.
It's basically because this realistic lighting creates a very strong contrast betweeen light/dark.
Remember Paragon?
@azure shore what do you do now days
And this is just a new trend of game with poor visual clarity, because of the lighting technique or ''more realistic'' art direction they use.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KhcqgX4tOZU/maxresdefault.jpg
Some people might find this appealing, others might claim it's poor design.
I think there is room for both.
severe egret
Not sure if my message went through, it disappeared from my chat
but @plush yew I like those two images you posted together, the rose tint in the second one looks really good
severe egret
I was just reading this master painter's blog about how he draws from yellows and purples to convey light and shadow, rather than just darken/brighten the hue he's working with
plush yew
to improve visual clarity, of the character
severe egret
Well it looks good, perhaps you have a secret talent
plush yew
I've written a big post on the LawBreakers forum on how to improve visual clarity for gmae characters, but since the game got shut down... the website went down too
severe egret
No archive of the posts?
viscid canyon
Hola all ๐
plush yew
@severe egret lol, I don't think I necessarily have a''secret talent'' for visual clarity. But I'm very experienced in that field.
severe egret
Also, I fixed the problem I was having. Love to share in case it happens to someone else.
severe egret
Believe it or not, the very same setting that was the solution to my last problem nearly a year ago
Project Settings > Platform > Mac < Rendering, then I changed it back to Metal v 1.1
plush yew
Oh... I see
Is metal related to Vulkan or OpenGL?
I don't think I have such setting on Windows
smoky stream
iirc vulkan and metal are mobile only right now
i think vulkan is planned for desktop at some point
azure shore
Oh hi twist, I'm still working on Monster Blood
plush yew
@azure shore Sounds cool! Good luck with your project. What is monster blood about?
crude totem
Hey all. I'm working on an Aim Down Sights feature on my weapons in a first person shooter game and was wondering if there is a way to easily interpolate between two FOV on my camera?
high stone
Most people use green for monster blood. I say go neon colors like pink, orange.
grim ore
you should be able to use a timeline or a lerp node or both to make the FOV change smooth
crude totem
@grim ore Thanks! I always forget those since I'm more use to c++. ๐
grim ore
I bet you can find those in C++ somewhere in the deep bowels of the code.... the dark parts where they hide the fun stuff
severe egret
@crude totem you want to switch via a button press/hold or automatically?
crude totem
Switch via button hold.
severe egret
I watched a tutorial for it ages ago and I think this was it: https://youtu.be/KpSzDxMLoHU
Might be a good place to start
plush yew
Is there a tutorial that explains how barebone UE4 can get?
Like let's say you just want to make sure you can run a game at 60fps on Nintendo Switch.
Let's say a game along the lines of Wrack, Unreal 1998, Quake 3 Arena, High Hell, Strafe, etc. And performance is the main focus. Not AAA graphics. Maybe even Mario Kart 8 and Captain Toad Treasure Tracker would be decent refs.
candid cypress
Got an issue with Reflection capture causing hard edges, What would be the best way to fix this? other than having the reflection capture cover more than what we really want it to reflect?
grim sinew
@plush yew use the SimpleForward renderer if you can. Itโs so basic it doesnโt even support normal maps.
plush yew
Isnt that an option per material?
I could be wrong but once you use Forward Shading you might still be able to enable normal maps by editing the material under Forward Shading
nevermind
probably run with mobile shaders considering mobile devices are in the same range as a switch
bitter iris
anyone know wassup with this? trying to build the game in VS (UE4 Server)
mint umbra
Anyone else had any issues with TrueSky's cloud keyframes making the clouds turn 180 degrees and go back in the direction they came from, with no parameters changed compared to the other keyframes?
severe egret
@bitter iris can you screenshot the top of your .cs
Something might be missing in your #includes
bitter iris
@severe egret this?
viscid canyon
Do you all have any good tutorial series I should follow? I followed the 69 video series from virtus gaming and finished that. I got to the inventory system part of the horror series by virtus gaming but after looking at the end video and hearing what other people had to say about virtus gaming, I have since stopped on that. Any recommendations.
bitter iris
@severe egret or this
grim sinew
@plush yew forward and simple forward are not the same thing
Totally different
Completely unrelated
slender veldt
how do you guys feel about camera placement in FPS being offset to the right of the weapon, allowing you to see the shell ejection and rounds cycling
severe egret
@bitter iris looks like you have modules in your script, so I'm not sure what's missing
I might be too novice to pick out what's wrong with it
uncut vigil
vertex snapping just doesn't seem to do what I want 90% of the time. any tips? https://i.imgur.com/tjMVx8O.gifv
azure shore
oh, my games backstory is that some guys taste monster blood somehow and end up selling it as a drink
azure shore
They'd been sending unprofessional hunters through a portal to their world to hunt for blood, but when it got too dangerous they managed to capture some intelligent ones and get them to hunt instead
So you play as either one of them or a human hunter who got trapped there
The non human hunters can front flip and run fast, but the human one will move more like a person and have less health
So non humans would be mostly for the platformer/dangerous environment levels whereas humans would be mostly for fighting maps
whole quarry
sounds fun
icy bone
@plush yew Graphic wise You can go quite basic, like drawing directly on the canvas or write ur own shader. But UE4 has lots of overhead inbuilt for game code, you can ofc strip away most things to most basic of Actor to use ur own PrimitiveComponents. This is so that u can utilize UE4s reflection system, cross plstform and GC. To go even more basic i dont recommend UE4, but write ur own.
royal cobalt
Might not be the correct channel, but does anyone know if it's possible to add existing levels when using World Composition?
pallid compass
Well ofc u can run a game on switch at 60 fps
Its not about it beinf barebone
U need to optimise
U got a dev kit?
pallid compass
Lmao
Why dont u make a full block out around the mouth
1 solid thing
Then mark cuts with edges
Then seperte and stitch
Then its just reshaping
fervent owl
hey guys any one know how to set up a kill zvolume so that it returns player to main menu if he falls into it
pallid compass
Be lazy
high stone
I wanted to shape the skull first and that came out pretty good. The problem is I'm used to human teeth. Which are smaller.
pallid compass
Tag an event on too the player death
Or make ur own custom kill volume
Yeah id be lazy and block an cut
Its essential like drawing
high stone
I do it all one line at a time.
pallid compass
Not sure whst your pointing at
If i did it
All teeth be different
And id be done in anout 40 mins
For complex set like that
high stone
40 mins?! Bah!
high stone
I'll have an easier time with the rest of the model. Probably not the ear canal...
plush yew
Does unreal work on one of those fancy windows pc tablets or whatever they are?
ivory trout
hello sorru i left yesterday
but can someone help me with my pubg compass its works when i role around \
it seams to me the image is not looping around it ends at sought and when i look behind me there is nothing there
and if u put your mouse in the nwse it moves around in there
plush yew
the docs are so bad, can't wait for VA to finish parsing the engine source
whole quarry
@plush yew likely not
fallow forge
Love the new Unreal Tournament but I cannot find the original maps online through the server? Is there a way to get them?
left citrus
Any idea why I'd be getting texture artifacts when using nearest filter and UI group
olive yew
I want to make my own landscape mateiral for my game
can someone recomend a good tutorial?
spare sun
Is there a guide on SMOOTH VOXEL terrain in ue4?
I do C++ and I'd like to know how to manipulate the terrain itself in realtime.
Like, I googled but only found plugins..
plush yew
Where do i go if i need some help with third person character movement
fierce tulip
@wary wave i get a bug whenever I try to flag a post, do you still receive them regardless?
wary wave
let me check
fierce tulip
would be about 5 minutes or so ago
wary wave
I don't see any flag reports in the queue unfortunately
wary wave
doh
fierce tulip
maybe @elfin jacinth could take a look at this error, have had it ever since they moved to the current version of the forums.
cant flag anything
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
go to a bar with wifi?
if you buy a coffee and do it on very early hours or at least when not many costumers are around they generally are ok with that hehe
but its still quite the haul XD
robust scarab
I dont know where I can write that but can Epic make an MOBA example like Paragon (Third Person), because they do really good shit like this shooter game and other stuff. Hope any Epic Staff read this ^^
lost ember
does anyone have a document that goes into detail on how a Pawn works and how to correctly control one through a PlayerController in C++?
lost ember
thanks!
coming from Unity and C#
I just need to see how it works in UE4
hmm well it shows how to do the input in the Pawn
I'd like to use a PlayerController instead ๐
olive yew
Hey i'm making a scary game and need a teenager character for it, can someone help me?
supple totem
tweaking these procedural foliage properties is mind numbing
hoping it pays off in long run
anyone else using the proc foliage volume feature? Seems good despite its experimental status.
actually came out okay
i like the patchiness
5 mil tris though!!!!
olive yew
i'm making a unreal engine main menu so i need everything black, can someone help me how i remove my healt and armor bar from the level please.
this is how the mana and health works, and i dont want them to appear when i play the main menu level
i want everything black.. :/
lost ember
Should I use Pawn or Character for my character? I understand that Character already has a lot to make your own, but is Pawn more flexible?
grim sinew
If it walks, use character.
lost ember
Care to explain the reasoning behind? I'd just like to understand a bit more ^^
afaik Pawn can walk too
grim sinew
Character includes the character movement component which supports basic things like walking and jumping out of the box
Pawn you need to do it all from scratch
supple totem
i am dumb..... with cull distance what is min and what is max?
is min like.... where some start getting culled
and max where all culled?
severe egret
@supple totem I think it works like a gradient, where the culling accelerates in effect until it reaches the end of its range
supple totem
ok, that makes sense, thanks
severe egret
I've got a dilemma. I started working on a minimap for fun, which turned into pulling my hair out lol. I set up a camera to look over the player, and for the most part if works, but my pointer icon I'm using to represent the player doesn't appear on camera.
Pointer isn't attached to the second camera, and it's set so that the owner can't see it (the main camera). Should appear, like it did before.
candid cypress
What would cause UE4 light baking (on medium) to cause different light textures between modular wall pieces? Keeping modular for lightmaps since it's a decent size wall for the game.
olive yew
i'm making a unreal engine main menu so i need everything black, can someone help me how i remove my healt and armor bar from the level please.
https://gyazo.com/9b3ee77bbfc6ed707425f4607ace2d53
https://gyazo.com/cb9a54f877c1500b794093b92ea96f5b
this is how the mana and health works, and i dont want them to appear when i play the main menu level
i want everything black.. :/
elfin jacinth
@fierce tulip Where are you getting that error?
grim sinew
@candid cypress it happens with lightmass all the time. Itโs common. Happens because lightmass builds objects individually. Pump up the settings to fix it or build your content to avoid it.
chrome summit
Guys i just stared a new project and added a shotgun but when am moving my arms have an animation and the gun doesnt move
i want the gun follow the hands
smoky stream
atattch the gun mesh to a socket on the hand
look at the FPS template for an example on how to do it
@chrome summit
smoky stream
yes
chrome summit
ok i did but it doesnt work
should i just add a preview asset?
to atach the weapon
@smoky stream
smoky stream
idk
epic has tutorials on this stuff
it'll be on their youtube channel or website
chrome summit
ok thanks
inland basalt
Does anyone know the runeberg's plugin really well and can help me with somthing?
(the vr one)
smoky stream
hit me up with that duplicate question
inland basalt
when i save a gesture it seems like even if i draw one line from that gesture it counts it as a positive
candid cypress
@grim sinew Thanks, apparently adjusting these lightmass settings, helped reduce the issue, to where it's not as apparent.
loud kelp
HI GUYS!, I have two questions that are probably very rare.
Is there a way to create a RIG inside unreal? Just using unreal tools ( I know its not the best way to do it, just asking)
Is there a way to animate characters inside unreal, Just using Unreal tools not any other third party software??
grim sinew
No. And yes but painfully.
smoky stream
hope you enjoy splines if you want to animate inside unreal
viscid canyon
Anyone know a good tutorial on inventory systems?
sinful umbra
there actually is an experimental rig system in ue4
but yeah super super experimental
manic pawn
https://i.imgur.com/EzvSS9G.png weirdest new plugin in 4.21
maiden swift
@manic pawn That's included with the engine?
manic pawn
it was added with 4.21
manic pawn
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maiden swift
It's important for arch vis firms because it lets them make location-accurate lighting for proposals.
What the typo.
manic pawn
interesting
maiden swift
Yeah. I had never considered it until my client brought it up.
They were doing arch vis for city proposals, so they really wanted their scene's time-of-day to match the real location.
When I say they wanted it, I mean in Unreal. Prior to working with Unreal, they did offline rendering with Max and such.
With those pipelines they were used to being able to type in lat/long and get an accurate sun.
broken stream
anyone got any background landscape that like to give to me ?
weary basalt
@broken stream Go and check out the free Infinity Blades asset packs on the Marketplace that Epic released. They have heaps of assets you can use.
craggy meteor
some page to download skeletal mesh to part of mixamo?
plush yew
Hey! Anyone know of documentation on processing a PDF file into a book format within UE4? (Please @ me if you response so I know, thanks!)
grim sinew
...you want to use Unreal to convert a PDF into a book?
Pretty sure Unreal can't open PDFs in the first place
wary wave
...book format?
sleek solar
You would need printer for that
plush yew
If I wanted to take an ebook and made it into a 3D book in VR that you could turn that pages on and what not
plush yew
Probably need to integrate a third party PDF library. You can try displaying the PDF using some sort of browser plugin but IIRC they're all based off Chromium which doesn't support PDF out of the box (I think)
But yes, it sounds painful
What if you broke it down into a page by page basis and then applied that to a material?
You still need some way to parse it
Unless you mean converting the pages into images, then yeah that could work but sounds inefficient
Not to mention the disk space that would take up
Yeah
Ok well it seems like a fun challenge
I tried looking around for anyone else who had done something similar and didnโt see anything
Iโm not good enough at C++ to try it yet though
Possible avenue you can go down is to convert PDF to HTML and use browser plugin to display it. Dunno how well PDF to HTML works though
Alright Iโll look into that thanks
sleek mango
Are there any unreal related podcasts? I've got a line up of game design ish podcasts, and it just occurred to me that there might be some podcasts more on the development side of things
late olive
I was unable to fix my failed attempt at a physics profile tutorial so now I shall spend the rest of me testing AI days as a vengeful pair of pants
broken stream
good night, but if som one can take a look at this and tell me how i can make a return nod if i die on this blueprint so the compas works after i die ? this is the error i get then the BP
Blueprint Runtime Error: Attempted to access TP Camera via property Rotation, but TP Camera is pending kill from function: 'Set Diraction' from node: Set Position in graph: Set Diraction in object: Compas_HUD with description: Attempted to access TP Camera via property Rotation, but TP Camera is pending kill
maiden swift
@sleek mango Not that I know of. I've wanted to start an Unreal dev podcast for ages. Just a matter of finding the time, putting together a good plan, and probably finding a good co-host or two.
vestal minnow
Hi all my talented friends here, i have a question: what advantage does unreal hold over unity and what would be the best online hosting solution for a multiplyer game built in unreal
static viper
unreal is great for working in a team
tall pendant
The choice of tech always depends on your projects needs. It's that simple.
regal mulch
@vestal minnow As always, all depends on you and your game (:
Barely anyone can properly answer this.
We are using UE4 cause we like it, so we are biased already.
You can do most of the stuff in UE4 and Unity.
It's really just a software. The differences may be in the features, but you can easily read that up and check if your game needs something from UE4 or Unity.
Furthermore, your question about the hosting solution is also up to how you game works.
There is no "best" in general. You need to use the solution that fits your game.
plush yew
@tall pendant
"The choice of tech always depends on your projects needs. It's that simple."
Why would you use Unity instead of UE4?
How many experienced Unity devs moved to UE4 and then went back to Unity?
plush yew
If you want to develop a video game, not talking about ''messing around''.
I don't know many dev that would pickup Unity over UE4. It's suicide.
Generally, those who do choose Unity like to work with underdog technologies (like Godot, Lumberyard, etc.).
They like to do things different and or they have hope that other engines might get better later on
tall pendant
I'm not going to argue about Unity vs UE vs LY vs X. Just know what your projects needs are and which tech fits the best.
static viper
youre assuming alot again hermit
XD
and the word "underdog"
what does that mean
plush yew
I'm not assuming, I'm talking about someone who REALLY wants to develop a video games VS someone who has different goals.
If you really want to make a game, UE4 is a no brainer.
hands down
tall pendant
But familiarity with the toolset could be one reason
plush yew
Yes, but this is different
static viper
you cannot declare unity or ue4 the definite choice XD
plush yew
As I said, long time Unity devs that kept using Unity because they were ''familia'' with it eventually tried UE4 and went ''F my life. I should have used UE4 a long time ago.''
static viper
and the other way around
plush yew
The Unity devs that made the jump to UE4 usually don't look back
tall pendant
I know people who went from UE4 to Unity and are happier. And also the other way around.
It really depends
plush yew
I live in MTL, and I've been watching this going on since 2008.
We have tons of studios and indie game devs here.
Everyone keep talking about this Unity vs UE4 discussion.
Some of our schools have teachers who are pro Unity just because the governments is pushing for mobile dev and unity
static viper
mtl?
plush yew
But the reality is... if you are willing to learn UE4, there is no reason to use Unity.
Montreal
tall pendant
nah
plush yew
It's in Quebec, Canada.
static viper
oh lucky you...
static viper
i almost had an argument there
plush yew
Montreal is one of the biggest cities for game developers
static viper
that doesnt mean so much in the end
plush yew
We have both a Unity and Epic Games studio here
static viper
montreal is also the home of many studios who use their own engines
tall pendant
Well it is a important hub.
plush yew
And we have ubisoft, Warner Bros, Eidos, Square Enix, Bethesda, Behaviour, etc
And maybe 50 smaller studios
static viper
careful you are breaking your argument
XD
its crumbling away under all these custom engines
plush yew
@static viper
The game companies that have their own engine are big companies that just don't want to pay Epic
It's as simple as that.
Money
static viper
you believe that?
tall pendant
But what more important with a question like "multiplayer combat game" is does the person have the skillset for such a game? regardless of the tech.
It's not that easy
plush yew
Those same studios have used Unreal Engine too for years
Ubisoft used UE3, Eidos used UE3
But they have their own engines now
static viper
they just grew big enough to do engines themselves XD
i hear alot of "better tools for our artists"
tall pendant
Huh. Even "smaller" Studios have their own tech now
static viper
yee
tall pendant
Deck 13 from Germany for example
static viper
oh yeees
plush yew
ubisoft spents at least 80 millions to make the first Assassin s Creed engine
And they spent a hell lot more for all others versions that came after
static viper
a wonderful example!
man i loved venetica
and piranha bytes!
they also have own engine
oh and crytek...
i kinda remember now where unity came from
shit
i am so sorry
plush yew
People like Unity to mess around and try things. But try shipping an actual game. It's almost impossible
static viper
opinion
plush yew
Opinion? No dude, I've used Unity professionally I got friends who keep working with it
it's crap
static viper
unity is for professionals
static viper
i am just throwing random arguments in the chat now to see how you react
its clear that you are pro ue4 XD
plush yew
I tried for two weeks to bake lightmaps and all I was getting were crashes
static viper
swiftly runs out of the back to after dizco
plush yew
I'm not pro UE4. I have a game to develop and have spend a good amount of time getting into different engines to see if they could fit my needs that are fairly basic.
But all things considered, UE4 is still the best option hands down
Could someone help with some things in my project?
I hav ebeen struggleing some time with and i cant continue with my small game before its fixed.
its about some animation and triggers
tall pendant
It's usually best to just straight up ask the question.
static viper
yee try in #blueprint directly :3
we aรถlso have animations
but i think is #blueprint
plush yew
I will try ask my questin in Bp section then ๐
@static viper
if you make the claim that game devs choose their engine depending on their needs...
In what scenario would you use Unity over UE4?
There are cases, but you'll understand after why we can discredit them
static viper
i tell people that ue4 is not for mobile games or lower class software products.
unity has this c# java integration
that makes it alot more compatible with devices
plush yew
And yet my friend who is a Sr. Designer is currently making a mobile game with UE4.
static viper
ue4 is made for consoles and desktop hardware
windows and linux are platforms for ue4
good for him
its no proof
plush yew
Unity is great as long as the project is lightweight.
Some people don't have a PC that can run UE4 so they stick to Unity.
Most people who don't code shouldn't use Unity. They'll end up using UE4, because Blueprints.
UE4 has hands down greater development tools than Unity even for mobile game dev
But Unity might have better 2D tools
That doesn't mean it would necessarily be bad to make a 2D game in UE4.
But the fact is, UE4 is a full game engine right from the start. And that's a big deal.
Whoever wants to use Unity, that person needs to get into C#
or other alternative scripting languages in Unity
Unity struggles whenever the project grows in size
Trouble loading scenes, calculating lighting, etc
Crashes
Crashes
UE4 has no problem with that.
Because it was built to make AAA games and just work
To the point where I'm even tempted to make the claim that Unity is a scam
I'd recommend Unity to someone who wants to make a low poly game and use C#
if you want to do more, use UE4
And by the way, I've worked on over 5 mobile games and the lead programmers that had to use Unity freaking hated it and don't want to ever touch it again
They preferred VISION over Unity
And Vision (by Havok) is dead
frank escarp
@plush yew never 4get havok anarchy
tall pendant
last time i used Vision was when they were still Trinigy ๐
plush yew
That's vision
frank escarp
oh, true
plush yew
yeah
frank escarp
it is indeed havok anarcy
plush yew
I was in love with that engine until next thing I've learned... it was dead
frank escarp
that one has almost UE4 tier C++ programming
plush yew
such a shame
frank escarp
some could even say its C++ is better than unreal
thanks to "less bullshit"
but a bit more manual than C++ when you bind stuff to LUA
plush yew
Well ,the lead programmer that Im talking about preferred Vision over Unity and UE4
He probably had ''reasons'' lol
plush yew
I think vision did, but I think it's totally dead now
Like you can't use or download it anymore
I think Orcs Must Die was made with Vision
frank escarp
looks like havok anarchy was the "UDK" version of vision
it was closed source
sadly the license was bad
so people didnt jump in
it was "fully free" only for mobile
for PC it was "ask us ;)"
no one wants an ask-us license
and the free for mobile looked sketchy
tall pendant
Yeah. Vision came with full source.
At least under Trinigy
idk about the Havok era
frank escarp
no
tall pendant
Physics yeas
static viper
yee
frank escarp
but a lot of people, a LOT, use the havok physics
static viper
looks the same as physx
plush yew
@frank escarp Yeah it was sketchy for PC. And I wanted to use it exclusively for Windows.
frank escarp
i had a look at it but then UE4 happened
plush yew
It's sad really. Intel once bought the dev team from Project Offset and they ended up shutting them down. It was devastating for that dev team
It killed them
frank escarp
and autodesk bought stingray devs
static viper
๐
frank escarp
the stingray devs have such a good blog
from when the engine was called bitsquid
pretty much the best engine dev blog you can get
tall pendant
We had an eval of bitsquid
static viper
i dont get why people still invest in doing engines
tall pendant
it was pretty neat at the time
frank escarp
autodesk bought it, and then killed it near-instantly
static viper
creating a whole new game engine takes so much time
frank escarp
i think they wanted to integrate it inside the maya viewport
but things didnt turn out that well
meanwhile Blender 2.8 getting a viewport to surpass everything made by autodesk xD
plush yew
hahahahaa
plush yew
I really don't understand why so many people keep complaining abotu autodesk and keep supporting them anyway
Please, just stop lmao
rofl
plush yew
It probably is if you can afford it
tall pendant
We also had an evaul kit of the Reality Engine decades ago
plush yew
How much is it? 1,500 a year? 3k?
static viper
i only payed 35 a month
plush yew
Exactly
frank escarp
you cant even use the cool plugins
static viper
maya lt is really nice :3
tall pendant
then Epic bought them and integrated a lot of their tech into the next UE
static viper
it doesnt come with all the render crap
tall pendant
that was UE3 later
frank escarp
wich is kind of the entire point of maya
plush yew
Blender is so good these days and free. Why arent we all just focusing on improving blender to make the video games industry better for everyone?
frank escarp
becouse FBX working as intended
as a power grab by autodesk
until epic games doesnt finish their glTF support, blender will be crappy in unreal
tall pendant
maya isn't 3,5k a year tho
plush yew
Last time i checked it was something like 1.5k a year
plush yew
2015
Maya $3,675 (perpetual) $1,470.00 (annual)
frank escarp
270 a year (for small companies)
tall pendant
1.951,60 โฌ for full maya
static viper
they realized they have enemies ๐
icy bone
Anyone here take the time to try to beautify their blueprints?
static viper
i do
frank escarp
sure
static viper
its a coders job
icy bone
my attempt
frank escarp
they become C++
static viper
oh a bit cramped
frank escarp
i do not beautify blueprints
static viper
use more subfunctions
frank escarp
at all
plush yew
MAYA
- CDN$245.00 (Monthly)
- CDN$1,965.00 (1 Year)
- CDN$3,733.50 (2 Year)
- CDN$5,305.50 (3 Year)
icy bone
i found reroute node to be really good, but better if they can be rotated
static viper
and custim nodes
frank escarp
if i want to beautify them, they go straight to C++
icy bone
do u beautify ur C++ too?
frank escarp
yes
static viper
that is good
frank escarp
for an example yuo can look at my github
plush yew
Become the beautifier
static viper
nice code is nice for teamworker
icy bone
hm ive never really worked in team but...
static viper
you have good arguments for working in one ๐
icy bone
i realized that after few thousand lines of code, beautified codes help my future self
frank escarp
currently my cpu rasterizer can render 850.000 triangles in a 1024x1024 screen at 40 fps