#ue4-general | Unreal Source | Page 323

whole quarry Oct 10, 2018, 11:36 AM

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it doesnt look like a traceline or smth

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when you open the skeletal mesh of the hands, do you see it there?

zealous cloak Oct 10, 2018, 11:37 AM

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yes thats what i mean i dont see it in the skeletal mesh of th hand

whole quarry Oct 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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I would think of a rogue bone

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not sure what it is though..

zealous cloak Oct 10, 2018, 11:38 AM

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the only thing i changed was adding a second widget interaction

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i deactivated show debug and it disappeared

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iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 11:54 AM

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who is this Rama guy, why does his UE4 scene always look like combination of rainbows and hell and does he make games, or just does fun shit in UE and sell it? 😄

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 11:55 AM

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he's a happy lad, and likes purple and pink 😄

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he's also a big contributor

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 11:56 AM

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seems he also likes bloom 😄

frank escarp Oct 10, 2018, 11:57 AM

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neat

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grizzled panther Oct 10, 2018, 11:57 AM

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i'm liking that deeez nutttzz billboard in the background

zealous cloak Oct 10, 2018, 12:04 PM

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i have no idea what mz error is :/

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https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/607757/widget-interaction-show-debug-show-weird-black-deb.html thats what i found but i cant solve it

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the question can i use sth else than show debug?

whole quarry Oct 10, 2018, 12:18 PM

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@iron wadi Glory to rama. Thanks to him we got Get All Widgets Of Class 132nkj4

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 12:18 PM

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man

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@zealous cloak

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fix your screenshots

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thats extremly horrible...

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 12:26 PM

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i think I'll use his save system

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but only if I can specify what I want and dont watn to save on actor

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cuz I really dont need to save stuff like rotation, aiming state, AI state etc

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but why does he use FlashDevelop with comic sans as IDE thonk

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on 4:3 screen

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 12:37 PM

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because he is Sans

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#boned

light thunder Oct 10, 2018, 12:48 PM

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Does a component of an actor share the same collision? I'm trying to understand how overlap events are fired and seeing if I can filter out components from triggering the overlap (my thought was to have a custom collision channel on the actor itself)

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 12:48 PM

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actor itself does not have collision
some component on actor must do collision

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like a capsule for example

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or the mesh, but I would recommend only having mesh for hit boxes and for all other collisions use capsule

light thunder Oct 10, 2018, 12:52 PM

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I have an actor with several components that are all triggering "the same" as overlap event - if you stuck your arm into a box to trigger and event, you wouldn't want the watch on your wrist to trigger it or a ring on your hand... What is a good way to modularly take just 1 component? I can use component name to single something out and make a branch off that but that's not very modular

scenic wadi Oct 10, 2018, 12:58 PM

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Is there a job posting channel? I would need to put a job posting there in the future.

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 12:58 PM

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#looking-for-talent and #looking-for-work

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 1:55 PM

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go #cpp

zealous cloak Oct 10, 2018, 1:56 PM

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i found a way to get rid of the black lines in my view, but i have to disable all widgetinteractions :/

marble isle Oct 10, 2018, 1:56 PM

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ok

zealous cloak Oct 10, 2018, 1:56 PM

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its abit frustrating, if you read the menu and see the black lines as well :/

exotic lion Oct 10, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Hello guys ! I made a spline blueprint for road but the result is chaotic, its the script or the mesh the issue ?

📎 dsqsdsdqdsd.PNG

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 2:24 PM

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from what i've heard those sorts of splines are kinda wonky right now

exotic lion Oct 10, 2018, 2:26 PM

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Um

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There the script

📎 sdqsdsdd.PNG

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 2:26 PM

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I would say it's the script, there is no way the engine can read it being that small.

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:27 PM

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owl approves

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cannot be red

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 2:53 PM

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(I don’t know if this is the right place to post, but in the platforms category, why is there no channel for Nintendo switch? (Cause some people do develop for switch.)

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:53 PM

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oh we dont have these channels bc either mobile or desktop

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and the problems are general the same

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but i get your point

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some issues are platform related

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What is your issue right now?

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:54 PM

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there are no console channels because NDA

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Ya cause right now I’m trying to figure out how to set controls for the joy-cons and not the keyboard.

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:54 PM

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better to use the closed forums

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:54 PM

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that is a good argument for once

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a good reason to shove people onto another discord 😛

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meatball if switch has a limited developers access

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then we could help you, but prolly is better if we dont.

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bc NDA

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so there is a good chance there exists such a support service

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 2:55 PM

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What’s NDA?

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:55 PM

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non disclosal agreement

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Oh ok

grim sinew Oct 10, 2018, 2:55 PM

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A thing you signed when you got a switch dev kit that says if you talk about anything you can get sued.

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:55 PM

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it stops you from telling secrets

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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how can you even be switch developer when you dont know such things?

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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we need to be careful about that too

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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since you signed an NDA...

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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So even if we would knew... we could break nda

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has switch that nda thing for devs?

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Oh whoops.

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:57 PM

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yes.

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:57 PM

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i never worked with switch

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all the other platforms

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but not that

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony all reg. you to sign NDA(s).

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:58 PM

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mh

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ios not better

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they even want you to buy a license to package...

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took some time to figure that out

tall pendant Oct 10, 2018, 2:59 PM

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standard. you have to buy devkits from Sony, Nintendo as well 😛

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 2:59 PM

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good thing is

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i will never work with them again.

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good thing that i didnt bought licenses 😛

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my boss did

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Well bye I’m not gettin’ sued!

stray smelt Oct 10, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I have a ton of 2k textures I'd like to make into 1k

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Is there any script or something to do this non-manually?

whole quarry Oct 10, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Google

stray smelt Oct 10, 2018, 3:05 PM

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google does it? nice

whole quarry Oct 10, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Image Scale Batch or something

stray smelt Oct 10, 2018, 3:06 PM

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hmm well, the issue is that they're uassets

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otherwise i'd easily find a solution, like the one you suggested

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 3:10 PM

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have you tried using the property matrix?

stray smelt Oct 10, 2018, 3:11 PM

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actually never heard of property matrix. I guess I could get away with setting "Maximum Texture Size" in the property of the images so sounds like something I could do through the property matrix perhaps (?). I'll look into it, thanks!

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 3:12 PM

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yes to the first and 2nd parts assuming that is exposed

stray smelt Oct 10, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I assume/hope the game outputs the 1k texture when the game is cooked/built.

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even though the base is 2k somewhere

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@grim ore this worked great. Thanks!

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 3:20 PM

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it "seems" like that should work as the docs say Maximum Texture Size - The maximum resolution for generated textures. A value of 0 means the maximum size for the format on each platform, except HDR long/lat cubemaps, which default to a resolution of 512.

delicate needle Oct 10, 2018, 3:42 PM

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What is the name of the desktop recording snippet tool people on this discord like to use?

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 3:42 PM

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snipping tool

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its a windows tool

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windows 7 up

delicate needle Oct 10, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Not the windows one, a 3rd part video one

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You get a 5-10 second GIF clip, snip, record, share

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WHO WHO WHO!!

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 3:50 PM

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sharex @delicate needle

rough pivot Oct 10, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Morning all. If I am trying to reduce the size of my project, what takes up the most space? I have mostly meshes, materials, blueprints and actors

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 3:50 PM

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@delicate needle yup, shareX is a beast for that

delicate needle Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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@manic pawn Thank you!

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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files, screencaps, images, videos

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shareX does it all

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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if you install it, take a few minutes to go through all its settings and set them up

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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takes a few minutes to setup, but once its done its gold yeah

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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it can do so many useful things

delicate needle Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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@languid shard I was actually doing this to share my success

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!

languid shard Oct 10, 2018, 3:51 PM

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nice ! 😄

delicate needle Oct 10, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Now, how do I get my UI to interface with that change mesh fucnction? Is that part of casting? Or interfaces?

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 3:52 PM

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especially the screen recorder is set to 🚮 by default :(

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it can record such nice high quality videos

delicate needle Oct 10, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Whoa, this shareX is the "cats meow"

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as the cool kids like to say

supple totem Oct 10, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Is there a way to test in engine how a project might run on lower specs?

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or do I need to like... set a governor on my GPU and CPU?

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 4:13 PM

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you can emulate it a little by underclocking your gpu and cpu a lot

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but it won't be as good as actually testing on those lower specs

supple totem Oct 10, 2018, 4:17 PM

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thought so, thanks

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 4:32 PM

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just ask someone with 🚮 hardware to test your game lol

ruby wren Oct 10, 2018, 4:36 PM

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Hi! (i don't know wich channel is better to ask for this)
I have actually some troubles to load my level (3/4 mn of loading on HDD, 10/15 s on SDD), so i'm searching for a solution to pre-load the assets on memory to reduce the loading time.
I also would like to keep the level "loaded" when i exit this one to restart a game faster.
Do you have any way to solve that? (note: this is a multiplayer game)

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 5:11 PM

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look into level streaming. you can keep items loaded if needed and also stream in a level piece by piece

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:18 PM

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how does UE handle changing object signature when deserializing from file?

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:18 PM

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properties are found by name

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if you rename them you need to add a property redirector

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:21 PM

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how do I do that? documentation earch produced only fire redirectors

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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put something like this in DefaultEngine.ini, but for your property ofc

[CoreRedirects]
+PropertyRedirects=(OldName="KismetMathLibrary.ConvertTransformToRelative.LocalTransform",NewName="ParentTransform")

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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aaaah so its similar to class redirection

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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check out BaseEngine.ini for a giant load of examples

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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so even if I completely change the structure it should probably work?

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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hopefully

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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obviously default missing and ignore extra data

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:22 PM

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yeah

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:23 PM

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hmm what about same name, different type, gotta test that

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:23 PM

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hmm never had a case like that

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it will probably drop it as if it was a new property all together

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unless you changed a struct type and added a redirector from the old type to the new one

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:24 PM

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a pointer to different tpye might be issue

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unless UE saves the pointer type

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LogClass: Warning: Property ColorToSave of ColorToSave has a struct type mismatch (tag LinearColor != prop Vector) in package:  FMemoryReader. If that struct got renamed, add an entry to ActiveStructRedirects

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amazing

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:26 PM

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hmm

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it would have been more like unreal to just throw an assert in your face

iron wadi Oct 10, 2018, 5:27 PM

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yeah I love how UE crashes because mesh doesnt have a skeleton

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(in a certain case)

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:29 PM

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guys i really need h elp

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i added an action mapping and named it [CrouchButton] now am searching it on my event graph and i cant find it

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📎 unknown.png

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:32 PM

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are you in an actor blueprint

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 5:32 PM

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make sure its on a character or pawn

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:32 PM

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you can't use input in components and stuff (btw, this is really annoying)

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:33 PM

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wait

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let me send you a screen shot

tawdry raptor Oct 10, 2018, 5:34 PM

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I dont understand why my blood decals wont work they wont show up in game, does anyone see anything thats not letthing them show up?

📎 blood_decal.JPG

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once I unslelect them they wont show up

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:34 PM

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📎 unknown.png

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 5:34 PM

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did you try what ZeroNight suggested, changing from translucent to the other one

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:34 PM

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that's an animation blueprint

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you can't use input there

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 5:34 PM

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dbuffer <

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:35 PM

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oh can you help me find my character cause am using ue4 shooter example

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:36 PM

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it's probably called BP_FirstPersonCharacter or similar

tawdry raptor Oct 10, 2018, 5:36 PM

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ill try to change modes

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:37 PM

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@manic pawn maybe that ?

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📎 unknown.png

zealous cloak Oct 10, 2018, 5:37 PM

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is it possible to deactivate widget interactions completley for a single map

manic pawn Oct 10, 2018, 5:37 PM

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that's a player controller

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:38 PM

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what i need to find?

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cause i searched bp_firstpersoncharacter or similar and i couldnt find anything

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 5:39 PM

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eep... if you can't find your controller or character for input and you are trying to do something with input it seems like you skipped learning the engine =/

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:40 PM

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am actually using ue4 shooter game example and am trying to find the character

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its not my project

tawdry raptor Oct 10, 2018, 5:41 PM

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yes it worked!

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:41 PM

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any ideas?

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 5:41 PM

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👌

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 5:41 PM

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well you were given the idea to find your character, you just can't find it

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maybe filter by all blueprints or look for the character folder

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 5:42 PM

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if you have one placed down, click on it and theres a Edit blueprint button

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:42 PM

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i cant find it to place it down XD

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i just found a file named player pawn

tawdry raptor Oct 10, 2018, 5:43 PM

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📎 unknown.png

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 5:43 PM

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https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/GettingStarted , learn the engine, then move on to doing stuff with the engine

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 5:43 PM

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thanks

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but i found that

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📎 unknown.png

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 5:44 PM

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sure why not, see what happens

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The problem with answering your question is your asking us to figure out your project and we just can't, and most people won't, do that. Figuring out where your stuff is in your project is for you to do.

mint raptor Oct 10, 2018, 5:46 PM

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UE4 keeps complaining about regenerating missing bones and having me save but I let it do it every time and save it every time but every time I open it the same message. When I package I get the same error in the output log

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PackagingResults: Error: The Skeleton  FPSArms_Skeleton is missing bones that SkeletalMesh  SK_FPSArms needs. They will be added now. Please save the Skeleton!```

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 6:02 PM

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man the best part of a new engine is compiling the shaders and the creation of the DDC. I love it so much... Time to watch 2 seasons of star trek I guess lol

tall hamlet Oct 10, 2018, 6:50 PM

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hello guuys can anyone help me please i just start unreal for game development ! i need some answers for my questions 😃 !!

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 6:51 PM

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so guys i added crouch but my playerpawn has 2 meshes and when am crouching my hands stay up

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can someone help me with that?

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 6:59 PM

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@tall hamlet first you gotta ask before we answer

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 7:00 PM

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what do you mean?

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oh ok

tawdry storm Oct 10, 2018, 7:32 PM

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@tawdry raptor looks like it's pretty dark, what happens when you place a point light infront of it?

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also that's a #graphics issue

severe egret Oct 10, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@chrome summit did you ever figure out what was wrong with your meshes?

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 7:35 PM

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@severe egret nope

severe egret Oct 10, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Could you post a screenshot of the character model

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 7:37 PM

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yeah wait

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here it is

📎 unknown.png

severe egret Oct 10, 2018, 7:55 PM

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You want two arms, right? To shift between animations?

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*Two pairs

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 8:02 PM

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@severe egret i want when i crouch the hands coming down half height too

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just check the screenshots that i sent you

severe egret Oct 10, 2018, 8:04 PM

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I'm checking out your blueprints, now

chrome summit Oct 10, 2018, 8:08 PM

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ok

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:26 PM

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define "messed up"

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if its blueprints then yeah your shit out of luck, if its code then blame perforce or git, or yourself

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:27 PM

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@plush yew because you can totally, for sure, make a game entirely in BP and you should avoid C++

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that's why the engine is so reliable

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Anyway, don't panic or its possible you'll make it unrecoverable

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:28 PM

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messed up doesnt mean shit

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do you mean deleted?

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do you mean the encoding was changed?

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do you mean the text was garbled?

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messed up can mean n+1 things

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Yeah if you can't place it into at least a category of "messed up" then really you can only vent

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:30 PM

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well a screenshot would work wonders if you want us to see what you're seeing

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:30 PM

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in which case, yeah sometimes it sucks

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We don't need your internal GDD to know "So on load it doesn't actually get past 72%" or "all references to <X> are broken"

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:32 PM

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compiler errors, or are the code files empty, or full of seemingly random characters, etc all more useful details

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Woweee enjoy your busted engine

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Always engine never user

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oval change your name to Pillow 2.0 pls

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Pillows*

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Oh yes

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How dare the engine change state

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after being re initialized

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\o/

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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you've not been saving your state properly, so when it tries to link on load it can't and its busted. This didn't happen in runtime because the state was in memory.

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Imagine a world where u can change things that get touched on startup and it could cause issues

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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that's why you use version control...

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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spookie

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Just a guess

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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so you go to an unreal engine discord bitching about how shit unreal is

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and you expect symapthy

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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My minions are speaking for me. 🦉

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Nah like whatever.

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I've cursed UE4

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:35 PM

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computers break too

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:36 PM

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i feel your pain, but chances are you fucked up more than the engine did

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Its the adamant attitude that we can't possible help on partial information that gets me

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:36 PM

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everytime unreal has done that to me is because i did something it didnt like

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Did u do a hot reload?

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Ooooh, wow you're not letting the engine save needed state?

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https://giphy.com/gifs/the-simpsons-reaction-season-6-tXtTNW8xtbA4w

Giphy

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Lmfao

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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That's utter conflation

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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weird, works for me

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Those are in no way similar

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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did u press the compile button in the engine?

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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You're asking the engine to do the impossible

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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where did u press compile

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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And if my guess is correct, your project is now fucked and you should have an earlier version

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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what did the button look like

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:37 PM

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the engine isn't responsible for version control

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Sure are!

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Welcome to the thunderdome, buckaroo

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Oval

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What compile button did you press

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In general There is two

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Actually there's three

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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not bound to just ue4

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Oh is there?

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no wonder u cant get the engine to work

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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the holy trinity of compilation

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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u cant even answer this qustion

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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actually

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Alright you mastermind

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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development

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shipping

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😮

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:39 PM

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So you pressed

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static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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SION

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our savior

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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<@&213101288538374145> Can we get a warn for blatant salt?

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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enlighten us

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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One of the most popular commercially available game engines, used by indies and multi-billion dollar companies. It must be a totally broken piece of shit, no possible chance of PEBKAC.

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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let me tell you a story

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about the Compile button

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you ever tried to take a car engine out

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while going 100mph?

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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sion stop trolling the poor lad

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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change a thing and put it back in

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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You admitted, clearly, that you did not do what you're supposed to do @plush yew

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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lol we still don't have any idea what you mean by 'messed up'

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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you compiled in editor with hot reload

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Its not called Hot reload for no reason

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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So unstable and broken, that's why we use it. Every day. Literally every day. For every project. Ever.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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you were just asking for it at that point

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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i still use it for cooking.

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mhhh

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fresh potatoes

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cooking well

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Step 1 fam, dont press hot reload unless u know how hot reload works, and what u can get away with

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and what u can get away with is very little

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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step 2: realise you can get away with basically nothing and then never use it

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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But the general rule is dont press hot reload

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:41 PM

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I'm gonna say it right here - hot reload didn't "mess up his project"

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:42 PM

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also that

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:42 PM

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he wouldn't be able to save that kind of fuck up becuase they'd be tied to disparate packages

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:42 PM

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inb4 only the generated code is broken

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Oh yeah for sure

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:42 PM

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inb4 delete intermediate files fixes it

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Im just starting from the typical danger danger for noobies

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What was trashed

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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idk its clearly the engine's fault and nothing actionable will come from here

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Tides goes in, tides goes out. Can't explain that!

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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'stuff was trashed' what does that mean

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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LOL

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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UnReAl No WoRk GOoD REeeEEEEeeEEEeEEEeeeEEEeee

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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wow

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Clearly,NOBODY in here can possibly help

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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pretty much

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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I just got fucking rekt

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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that's why you're asking in here

oblique trench Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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You have to use version control for revert any data

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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hey immut

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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yeah i am asking the engine to do the impossible by working a day full and doing everything the exact same way i've been doing it for the past 6 months and it messes up everything so it's my fault right if it was working the last 6 months and now it's not how is the engine broken?

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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remember me at 3 months

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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seems like a blatant troll attempt

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Understandable he is mad af

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Why dontcha pay for UDN so you can talk to QUALIFIED people?

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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this is just a bit ue4 discord extreme today XD

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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as his project has been destroyed

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But if you dont play nice

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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that rarely happens

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Then you wont get any help

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:43 PM

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we are usually friendly

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and dont hop oin trolltrains

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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i've never had a project get nuked by unreal

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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Because the few people you are talking to now, could prob salavage your project.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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and the one time i did it was explicity my fault for setting it up wrong

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but i had version control so i was fine

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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99.6% of the time its the users fault.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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they do make that disclaimer actually

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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I have done many stupid things and broke lots of stuff.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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read the full ToS

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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I'm sure you've exhausted every bit of troubleshooting you can do and absolutely, with certainty, identified exactly what caused this nebulous "trashing".

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:44 PM

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all 300 pages?

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understandable

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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And there's no possibility that there's any kind of workflow issue, hardware failure, software failure, or anything else that might possibly explain it.

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Oval219, version control would prevent this

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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And you know this. For a fact.

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Why dont you take a moment to calm down, and then we might help you.

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Because you troubleshot it.

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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In all seriousness, probably can't fix whatever is "messed up" - you certianly can't expect us to advise you because we're clearly incompetent.

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All of us

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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And you identified the actual cause.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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so you know it comes with no warranty and they are not responsible for anything that you do with it

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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maybe your hard drive is failing

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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man a mod needs to activate the slomo mode they just added this is nuts

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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nothing to do with unreal

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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And know, undeniably, exactly what the fault was and can say it's "the engine being trash".

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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@novel pewter nice one lol

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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This is why all software projects should use version control.......

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:45 PM

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github exists for a reason

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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So version control hates you, and so does the engine

oblique trench Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Game Engines(The popular ones) are not trash. @plush yew Use vesion control (git, Perforce) to revert any change.

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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but that'll delete the project @viscid canyon

upper heart Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Okay guys time to settle down a bit 👀

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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are you pillows in disguise?

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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pillows 2

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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toss on slomo mode!

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Lol

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Tellin you right now, go ask UDN or STFU @plush yew

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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No but seriously man if you actually want some help take a moment to ease out

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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anything else is a waste of fucking time for all of us

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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we have another "i hate unreal but i have to use it because <nebulous reason>"

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Guys

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Why reply to him

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When you can teach me something

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:46 PM

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@plush yew Yeah, man, it'd be great if I shipped Fortnite...

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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@plush yew your fammily tree lgbt

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that is all

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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sorry sion u gotta finish level 5 UDEMY before u can hit up that fortnite

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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intentions are obvious at this point

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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udemy or bust

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Clearly you're only interested in venting, or taking suggestions from "qualified individuals" who didn't "take a cool udemy course". UDN will have those people.

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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Hope you got a UDN account.

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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You have to pay for it, so maybe you can bite your tongue and not insult them

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 8:47 PM

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He is on the complain train and there is no station at the end of it.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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use ogre then

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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maybe the problem is money? Have you tried throwing more money at the problem?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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uh

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Give him a moment to chill, he might be reasonable

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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🍿

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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what am I missing

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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then we might help him

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An angry boi

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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or even better, use SDL and then come and complain once that goes down

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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explain

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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who hates ue4

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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or

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rather

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Hes mad his trashed his project

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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dont explain

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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@snow crown you should really throw the channel into slow mo mode

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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hotreload, saving

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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chill the fuck out

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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etc

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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oh, is that out?

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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rofl

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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TLDR is he broke his project and is mad and taking it out on us.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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UnREAL Bad REEeEEeeeEEEEeeEEEEee

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:48 PM

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sweet

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it totally is out

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Alright friends

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:49 PM

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it totally is

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:49 PM

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chill

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:49 PM

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SLOW MOTIONS SLIDE

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I assure you man, 99.6% of the time its the user and not the engine.

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Dude's on a hard core rage train, people tried to ask him questions to help troubleshoot, he's too busy raging and venting to a) respond to questions without being wildly condescending and b) just keeps insisting everything is trash. 🤷

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:49 PM

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and guess what, if you dont like you could always fix the code causing the problems

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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You could always clean and fix your problem.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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ok a 10 second limit is a bit harsh innit

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Its actually kinda hard to totally destroy a project, unless its 100% bp

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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nah fix the engine lol

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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i'm thinking about making it 30s @smoky stream

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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So obviously something changed

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I don't think we're blaming the user, but we're trying to ask relevant questions so we might have something to say... and

"Hey did you <XYZ>?" is met with "You don't know shit, and can't - stop blaming the engine".

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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ok

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:50 PM

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inb4 5 minute breaks

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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oval, it's very unlikely that the engine blew up your whole project

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Can you start by telling us what he actually did before he did the final compile?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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if you have an issue, you can make a post to the unreal answerhub

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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this is literally the most amusing thing all week and probably exactly why they added slow mo. I love you guys 😃

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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with a ton of detail about how the issue happened

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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I think im slow in the head because i cant see the slow mo going on

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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At this point i just wanna see where you go from here - tbh. Like what conspiracy theory explains how UE4 is conspiried to defeat you, but not us.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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everyone else, stop piling onto him

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like, seriously

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stop

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:51 PM

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So he changed some code, and compiled

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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and... it crashes on startup?

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or what

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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step 2: magic
step 3: broken project

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Do you know what changes he made? ie, function changes, renaming variables, etc

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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(cause crash on startup is actually pretty common)

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Roy you can't possibly know his backend

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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no

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but lord knows i've corrupted shit

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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you should take a sweet udemy course brah

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Because when you make variable changes & have things open and hotreload, your gonna have a SUPER bad time

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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oh

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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What in game thing.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:52 PM

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that's probably not UE4

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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See why he's getting dogpiled yet?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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that's probably your programmer

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well, don't dogpile

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read the rules about being respectful, sheesh

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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Did you consider your engineer might be Karol?

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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LMAO

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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now thats just mean

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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No but seriously you need to back track

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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and constructive

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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oof

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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constructive

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:53 PM

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i wouldn't go that far oval

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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and find out what he changed

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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but, if you want to try another engine, feel free

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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My goodness.

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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If you can find out what was the last changes he made, and give up some slight context one of us can prob give you an idea where too start, if you play nice with us all.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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theres always SDL2 if you want to have a fun time

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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im gonna mute this channel if you guys keep going

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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uh oh... you summoned Nick

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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also, hey, @maiden swift, slow mode works

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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What im trying to help?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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i had to put the channel into slow mode

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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slow mode is really cool

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 8:54 PM

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@snow crown I saw. Love that we have that feature now.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:55 PM

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it was going a little fast

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:55 PM

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Sure a little teasing but i am trying to help

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:55 PM

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anyway, everyone needs to chill

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:55 PM

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getting a clear response of whats broken would be pretty helpful tbf

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:55 PM

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leave him with his opinions, you wont change them by dogpiling onto him

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respectfully disagree, and then go back to how cool it is UE4 now has virtual texturing

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Lets just see if he can do what i asked, and give us some context so we can start problem solving if he wants the help that is.

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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soon™ oh hey you can edit messages to bypass the ratelimit

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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which is the topic we should all be talking about

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because thats fucking cool

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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*Will have virtual texturing

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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and go to lounge

oblique trench Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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https://twitter.com/miguelgamendes/status/1048166178789777408?s=20

Miguel Mendes 📦 (@miguelgamendes)

That's... different. #gamedev #UnrealEngine https://t.co/Pp8bB3EkBb

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maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Virtual texturing is going to be pretty badass.

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Can somebody TL;DR me on virtual texturing?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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(also that is a topic change if you go back to the previous one imma actually infract you)

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:56 PM

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i always enjoy those words

📎 Screen_Shot_2018-10-10_at_4.56.43_PM.png

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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but.. "virtual texturing wont be comming till 2030 cuz fortnite doesnt need it" - was the saying
gotta be positive yo

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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basically immut

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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goto lounge and laugh at my joke.

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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I was just happy we finally got the image decorator fixed for the new rich text block. took it a full version to fix it but hey why not lol

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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u git gud son

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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i mean, they called it out specifically in the 4.21 patch notes

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6y4glzIwP8

YouTube

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worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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but im lazy

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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and virtual texturing is a technology that allows you to update tiles of textures and stream them into video memory

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Is virtual texturing in?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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it lets you build one massive texture and stream it in

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4.21

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:57 PM

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I believe VT lets you use insane res textures

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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it's getting worked on

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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oooooh

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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like 8k and you only ever use like 800mb of vram at 1080p

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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it's only used in Id Tech 5

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Nice

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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8k is small compared to what virtual texturing lets you do

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im talking like 300kx300k textures

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Zero can explain it properly, im just quoting from awhile ago

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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your whole world can have one texture

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granted, you ship 800gb games but whats harddrive space 🤷

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Currently, virtual texturing requires expensive third-party solutions. The fact that we're getting it out of the box in the future is pretty awesome.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:59 PM

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oval stop instigating this is your final warning

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 8:59 PM

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as someone who frequently delves into the world of asset ripping, virtual texturing makes me do the big reeeeee

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it makes it such a pain to get textures out

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 8:59 PM

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@smoky stream ahem read above about last warning

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 8:59 PM

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I've got like 900 videos promoting the fact that "blueprint is the future" 😦

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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i was talking about the virtual texturing tho @snow crown

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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whatever do you mean, oval?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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ok

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@worn granite no

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Oh why cant i give mathew a heart emoji :c

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screen shakes when i try

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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I mean - I seriously DONT think that and if he knew anything about me he'd know I'm one of those people who explicitly DONT think that way

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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i swear to god pfist if you got him before me

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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@snow crown Well, you tried.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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asdfnasdkj;akl;nakfnhb

digital anchor Oct 10, 2018, 9:00 PM

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lmao

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Immut, its VC time

static viper Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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the pfist of god?

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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you and devilsd

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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They had fair warning. I pulled the trigger after that last comment.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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THATS THE SECOND TIME THIS WEEK I WENT TO BAN SOMEONE AND ANOTHER MOD GOT IT FIRST

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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And the conclusion of this whole thread is utterly unsurprising.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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I was writing a goddamn ban reason lmao

livid haven Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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@snow crown And you even got here before them. 😛

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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just ban them with no reason lol

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:01 PM

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anyway

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back to work

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nah, we need reasons because they will go begging to other mods

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Indeed. Back to work, everyone! Nothing to see here.

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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so I like to put in detailed ban reasons

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-explosion-government-13d2jHlSlxklVe

Giphy

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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its like america and the middle east

maiden swift Oct 10, 2018, 9:02 PM

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@snow crown I love detailed ban reasons. Please keep writing them.

frank escarp Oct 10, 2018, 9:03 PM

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@snow crown you dont need huge space for megatextures

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megatextures can be used with runtime decals

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essentially you do runtime baking of yuor materials and your decals

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ghost recon wildlands does it for the terrain

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Oh did someone get banned? was it immut finally?

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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oh virtual texturing is not bad

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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oh dam hes still here

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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no, sadly am still here

frank escarp Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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thats why they have a very performant terrain, becouse they just do their 30 texture layers material + decals, and it gets baked down to just diffuse/roughess/specular/normal in the megatexture

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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You wann come on VC for abit for the lulz

worn granite Oct 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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ig

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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true

pallid compass Oct 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Well time to find my headset

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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but you can go big

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and really what is harddrive space

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not the developer's problem

frank escarp Oct 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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yeah, but i find the runtime baking a lot more interesting

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also, becouse materials can just be straight to gbuffer, you can batch EXTREMELLY effiently

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cutting your drawcalls by a huge amount

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gpus also adore when you do a "set pipeline" oonce, and then just "render" in a tight loop

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that goes super fast

snow crown Oct 10, 2018, 9:07 PM

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yeah

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im mostly joking about hd space

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throwing some shade at iD

supple totem Oct 10, 2018, 9:13 PM

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For those of you with a small OS ssd and a large data HDD... do you keep anything Unreal on the SSD?

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Or do you keep everything on the big drive?

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 9:14 PM

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keep the engine binaries on the SSD if you have space, and then all your game content on the HDD's

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keep compile times nice and fast

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 9:16 PM

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I keep it all on the SSD and damned the games!

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 9:16 PM

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yeah max speed so as much on SSD as possible

supple totem Oct 10, 2018, 9:17 PM

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What about cached marketplace content?

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Can that be stored on different drive than engine?

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Also Matthew I was looking for a way to build blog shadows and stumbled across a YouTube stream of yours

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Plan on using sometime soon!

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 9:18 PM

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blobby shadowy streamy?

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I remember doing that with decals and textures lol

supple totem Oct 10, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Yeahhh

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That's the one!

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Looking for a low impact way for distant tree shadows, might be the key!

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 9:19 PM

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and yes you can change your vault cache in the launcher but I can't remember if that effects all marketplace content (I think it does). It's in the Gear Icon at the top right

supple totem Oct 10, 2018, 9:20 PM

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ah I see the option! thanks

grim sinew Oct 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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@pallid compass ❤ :3

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The cult of virtual texturing is spreading!

south ridge Oct 10, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Virtual texturing's ok

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😄

grim sinew Oct 10, 2018, 10:35 PM

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The best of cults.

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 10:38 PM

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How do most indie UE4 devs hook up with a 3D modeler/Texture Artist/Animator/Shoots Rockets to Moon Person?

grim sinew Oct 10, 2018, 10:38 PM

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You become one.

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Yeah... that may take some time lol

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I have limited Maya knowledge XD

grim sinew Oct 10, 2018, 10:39 PM

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Or if you can’t get someone to join you, you join someone else and work on their project.

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 10:39 PM

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I could make some low poly stuff but not a good texture artist and Im sure my animations would end up herky jerky 😛

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So... I need to start a cult. Apparently thats all the rage here

pure stratus Oct 10, 2018, 10:40 PM

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Either join someone's project, invite people to your project, or just learn it yourself.

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 10:41 PM

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Yeah I may have to just break down and do some Maya tutorials

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I mean, I am used to the tools and used to use it a long time ago, but im rusty and I have made little beyond an alien head 😛

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How many of you are all hats kind of devs?

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 10:47 PM

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I tried and said screw it. I spend my time making money and doing what I want so I can pay someone else who knows what they are doing rather than learning it lol

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once you can afford to pay people and your time becomes more valuable working than learning people tend to swap to that

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with that said I spent like 3 years doing nothing but learning stuff to be a jack of all trades and it was fun but completely not productive lol 😛

viscid canyon Oct 10, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Right. Hrm. Some have recommended places like fiverr... but id think the content would be subpar

smoky stream Oct 10, 2018, 11:17 PM

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you'd be very suprised with how high quality some of fiverr is

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it does cost a bit more than 5$ admittedly

plush yew Oct 10, 2018, 11:32 PM

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I would go to a local meet up group to find folks to collaborate with

grim ore Oct 10, 2018, 11:36 PM

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^^^ and don't live somewhere that sucks because no meetup group 😦

high stone Oct 10, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Same.

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I live next to farms. On the plus side we got tons of free food.

supple totem Oct 11, 2018, 12:12 AM

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You can't bulk property edit materials 😠

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Hey all. I have a spotlight for a flashlight but it appears that when going from a wall to a floor, its as if I have two separate spot lights partially on each one

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What gives? lol

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am I being an idiot? 😛

south ridge Oct 11, 2018, 12:47 AM

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Huh?

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Show a screenshot 😄

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 12:47 AM

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ill show a pic

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📎 oddness.png

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@south ridge

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is it because they are bsp brushes?

smoky stream Oct 11, 2018, 12:51 AM

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does lighting need to be rebuilt

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 12:52 AM

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hrm

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maybe? Would it need to be if it was meant to act as my characters flashlight?

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Rebuilt the lighting and it behaves the same way

south ridge Oct 11, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Hmm

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Interesting

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 12:58 AM

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Maybe its a setting I have set wrong on the spotlight?

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 1:33 AM

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oh well. I will figure it out later

dim arch Oct 11, 2018, 1:53 AM

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hey, I am importing a mesh file into UE4 which has a bunch of floating verts

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they are being stripped from the imported file

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even if I disable remove degenerates

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how can I import them?

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oh, seems like its the exporter from max

swift spindle Oct 11, 2018, 2:50 AM

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got a strange bug

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whenever I bake my lighting. It looks boned untill I swap to folliage paint and back again

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no errors otherwise

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actually. When I simulate / play. Lighting goes screwy again

devout fog Oct 11, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Anyone know why for no rhyme or reason some projects open full screen bordered when playing in editor, and some projects open in a window? I've set the resolution to my desktop resolution properly, it just doesn't work sometimes.

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I've also set use borderless window mode in project settings

grim ore Oct 11, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Chances are your baked lighting is just bad and when you swap it's breaking the baked light and going back to realtime

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:00 AM

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Boom. Done with video 11 of the Survival Horror tutorial series 😃 Although... a lot of the BP's that deplete and replenish are very similar...

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https://youtu.be/L_e6i2abzGk

YouTube

KegFaulty

Survival Horror Tutorial Series - Flashlight & Battery

▶ Play video

swift spindle Oct 11, 2018, 3:04 AM

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@grim ore its not that.

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This is a bug I've seen before. It randomly rears it's ugly head every 6 months or so

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on different projects

grim ore Oct 11, 2018, 3:05 AM

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super duper weird then, how do you fix it?

swift spindle Oct 11, 2018, 3:09 AM

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it randomly goes away.

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I need a more reliable way of dealing with it

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working lighting

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busted AF lighting

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light thunder Oct 11, 2018, 3:12 AM

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What things should I check if I don't seem to see shadows in my level? It's not set to unlit and shadow casts is turned on...., I'm using Ultra Dynamic Sky so I have a light source, skylight, expotential fog....could that be the reason why?

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not very complex lighting

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that might be a bug in 4.19 but see how muted the shadow is?

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that's an intense light right up to the tree and you can barely see it

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:39 AM

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@light thunder Could there be other lighting that is more intense that is cancelling out that light?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 3:39 AM

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4.19's been out for months. You have not discovered a bug with the most fundamental functionality of lights.

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It's likely just your scene

light thunder Oct 11, 2018, 3:39 AM

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I agree

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so I deleted all the ultra dynamic BP and all the lights and added a directional light and it is showing shadows, yay

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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lol

light thunder Oct 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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however, it doesn't tell me I need to build lights at all

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where can I confirm that I have my lighting scenario made to bake lights?

swift spindle Oct 11, 2018, 3:40 AM

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For mine. I forgot to mention. This issue only shows up in lighting scenario maps

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:41 AM

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aren't most baked lights stationary?

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sorry for my comment. still getting used to the engine

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I would assume that static lights are baked.

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 3:42 AM

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If it's static or stationary, you need to bake it, yes.

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But the message doesn't always pop up because it goes on frequent coffee breaks

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So you need to just be smart about it and bake when you know you need to

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:42 AM

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ah, coffee breaks. or food trips. Makes sense

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Nah, really the message only pops up during predetermined events, it isn't dynamic in any way checking to see if it needs it. So sometimes you'll find something that it just doesn't check for, and you need to build, but it doesn't tell you.

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:44 AM

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I really need to dig back again into C++... haven't touched it since Dx7 was a thing >.>

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Wow. Welcome to this decade, are you familiar with the internet?

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😃

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Also, #lounge for this sort of talk 😛

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Oh gee thanks Zero lol.

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 3:46 AM

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❤

viscid canyon Oct 11, 2018, 3:46 AM

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I am actually a software engineer II with a university but yeah... I need to get back into other langs

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okay... off to the lounge I go

inner yacht Oct 11, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Anyone got any idea how to workaround a database with just a text file for usernames and passwords. Im trying to save all to a text file to the server in a multiplayer game

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thought it would be a 1st

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I can already save and load txt files via blueprint library node i made

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just an idea

grim ore Oct 11, 2018, 4:16 AM

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so you want to send/receive info from another server?

inner yacht Oct 11, 2018, 4:16 AM

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I wanna use my laptop for the dedicated server matt any ideas

grim ore Oct 11, 2018, 4:17 AM

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well if you can save and load files in blueprints already then you should be able to just run that code on the server I would assume

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literally no security but shouldnt matter for fun

inner yacht Oct 11, 2018, 4:18 AM

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think its possible to combine all to a single text like appending and adding to rewrite the file every time a new user account is added

grim ore Oct 11, 2018, 4:19 AM

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don't see why not. an easier alternative might be to use the JSON stuff to read/write then you don't have to worry about weird parsing issues

inner yacht Oct 11, 2018, 4:19 AM

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thanx im just confused about how to slim it all down neatly

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like when i load it back up lol

grim ore Oct 11, 2018, 4:20 AM

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well you can save/load to text and json is just pretty text. Use the json tools to save/load out an array of user names and passwords (perhaps a struct) that your server uses for validation

inner yacht Oct 11, 2018, 4:21 AM

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youdaman good talk matt thanx again

zenith dune Oct 11, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Does anybody here have experience with Android or iOS? Or even major game platforms like Switch, PlayStation, and XBox?

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 4:50 AM

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if anyone here knows subs painter, any idea why i might be getting this discoloration after baking mesh maps?

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it's definitely the ambient occlusion map

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:04 AM

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What discoloration?

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Looks like it worked to me

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Your bake just sucks because you didn't do any baking by mesh name, so things clipped

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:11 AM

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the white artifacts is what i was referring to

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:11 AM

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Exactly.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:11 AM

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im using mesh names, i believe, i have the following:

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and those are separate meshes, suffixed with _id

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and their own mats

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:11 AM

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If you're seeing that problem, no, you are not using mesh names

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It has nothing to do with materials

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It matches X_high and X_low in the baker

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:13 AM

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if i'm only using a high-poly mesh, are X_high and X_low going to be the exact same? besides the suffix

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:13 AM

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But you're not. I can see the facets in your model, that's not a high poly

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And yes, if you were, for some reason, baking a high poly onto a high poly.

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https://support.allegorithmic.com/documentation/spdoc/matching-by-name-127074308.html

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:19 AM

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okay so left will be _low, right will be _high

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grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:19 AM

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Yes. For each and every cylinder in there.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:20 AM

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Ohhh, so I can't have the cylinders combined into one?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:20 AM

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That would be defeating the point.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:21 AM

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I don't understand, but i'll give it a shot

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:21 AM

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I linked you the documentation, how do you not understand

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Sorry, well I read through it and it doesnt explain that

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 5:21 AM

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Don't forget to delete lines that aren't used. Like inside the gun.

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:21 AM

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K. Well good luck with it

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 5:22 AM

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So many lines you can delete in the cylinders. At a minimum 3 each.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:23 AM

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yeah, i know i could optimize but im just trying to learn subs painter

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but yeah, the documentation doesnt really help at all, just tells me to do the same steps i've been doing the whole time

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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jeez, still looks terrible, and there's also some ugly low-res thing going on elsewhere on the mesh

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static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:30 AM

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MH

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IT DOESNT LOOK SO UGLY

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just a bit low res

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looks like a uv issue

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 5:31 AM

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I usually fix that stuff manually in the UV maps.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:31 AM

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i'm previewing in just the AO mode, could it still be UV issues?

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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yes

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its obvious why

sudden agate Oct 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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I would say you need to activate the AO test on both sides

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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the upper ends of the bullet cases

sudden agate Oct 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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there is no AO on fully occluded parts

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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the uvs on your bullets are at least twice the size of the rest

sudden agate Oct 11, 2018, 5:32 AM

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also I would increase the Texture

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:33 AM

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It's just a matter of the baker having issues hitting the wrong mesh. It's a common problem, it's why people used to explode meshes before bake by mesh name was a thing.

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:34 AM

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and uvs

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Doesn't look like a UV problem to me

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:34 AM

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okay so the project texture sizes are 2k, and the bullets are highlighted here in the UV, they seem like an appropriate size:

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static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:34 AM

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it is a uv problem

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:34 AM

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If you insist.

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:34 AM

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weird uv layout

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that looks like it was done automatic

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:35 AM

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im not sure how it was done, this was passed on to me

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but all the bullets are overlapping

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:35 AM

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theres alot overlap

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:35 AM

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and i dont think that happens in auto unwraps

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Those UVs are pretty bad, but the clipping you were looking at before isn't caused by that. There's no overlap where the bullets are.

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Send it back to who you got it from and tell them to learn to UV

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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yee dont work on dis

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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lol, i can't do that

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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was it just a free model?

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you said you were testing

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learning

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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no, it's from a work colleague for a project, he and i are both learning substance and need to paint this

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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practising

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:36 AM

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Painter comes with a few free models to learn with that would be better than this.

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:37 AM

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well

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get a new one

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your experience is beeing distorted

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:37 AM

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damn, well what's wrong with the UV map anyway? i could try to fix it i guess

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:37 AM

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well i told you

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XD

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and you said it yourself too

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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that some things are overlapping?

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arent objects that are the same allowed to overlap?

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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yes but it isnt that

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its the opposit XD

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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There are seams in nonsensical places, there's meaningless overlap, the islands are rotated for no good reason which will mess up any straight lines, and you're wasting a ton of space. It also almost looks like some islands are going outside 0-1 space

sudden agate Oct 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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nah, the UVMap has some holes

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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This UV unwrap is beyond saving and needs to be redone.

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:38 AM

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why are there objects with weird rotations and why are there face overlaps inside shells

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your pixels will be all over the place

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it will look odd

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:39 AM

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I would get better UVs hitting the auto uv button than you have with this manual work.

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:39 AM

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yee auto uv for practise

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:39 AM

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lmao damn

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:39 AM

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and next time you can mirror it manually

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:40 AM

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Also if you have any overlapping parts when UVing, you want it to be 1 UDIM over, not in 0-1 space, so it doesn't mess up your bake

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It'll render properly in the end

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:40 AM

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oh, interesting

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:40 AM

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and dont put things to close

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:41 AM

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Honestly, with how bad the unwrap is, the clipping artifacts aren't your biggest problem

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But to solve the clipping artifacts, it's simple. You can make a cage, explode the model, or you can do bake by mesh name.

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Those artifacts pop up when the raytracing from baking hits the wrong mesh, when meshes are too close together

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Often in corners like that

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Bake by mesh name makes it so only matching names bake onto each other, which solves that problem

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A cage lets you manually specify where the rays are cast down from, which -can- solve the problem, especially on more complex meshes where the other two aren't an option

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:43 AM

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From what i've heard, caging is the old way and the bake by mesh name is the new "better" way, right?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:43 AM

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The new way is to use both, technically

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Newer tools like Marmoset will auto generate a cage for you, in addition to bake by mesh name

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It's why a lot of artists are starting to move to it for baking

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 5:44 AM

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voila!

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:44 AM

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Marmoset also has skew correction, which will pop up pretty quickly if you have extruding parts of a mesh not represented in the low poly, like a screw or something

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Afaik Marmoset has the most advanced baker right now between all that. Substance is second best.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Cool, and I assume theres then a way to import Marmoset's bakes into Substance?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:45 AM

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Yep, they're just regular images

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PSD format, in 8, 16, or 32 bit

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But no amount of good baking tech will solve a bad UV layout

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So you need to resolve that first

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:46 AM

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right, well i can give that a shot first then, i might as well learn how to properly UV as well if painter relies on that so much

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:46 AM

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Everything relies on it

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Having bad UVs will screw you up every single step along the game art pipeline

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:47 AM

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you have maya

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learn uvs first

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😛

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:47 AM

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Maya has incredible UV tools, second best I'm aware of. Use them.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:47 AM

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so far, i've been able to effectively get away with auto unwraps and triplanar projections, but i rarely make and use things like weapons, like this project for example

static viper Oct 11, 2018, 5:47 AM

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time it is then

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:47 AM

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so this is new territory for me

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yeah lol

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:48 AM

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https://player.vimeo.com/video/190166224?autoplay=1&autopause=0;loop=1&automute=1 This is why skew correction is useful btw

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Among other features I like using marmoset for when baking

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You -can- do skew correction in other bakers, but it's a pain. Nothing lets you just paint it like that

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:49 AM

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Oh, very cool

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:50 AM

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https://mk0marmoset2r9got8jk.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/bakegroups.jpg And here, finally, was looking for something like this. A side by side comparison of using bake by mesh name and not using it.

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Aka, the exact problem you ran into

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:52 AM

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And the solution is to separate the screw into it's own mesh, suffix the low poly version with _low, suffix the high poly version with _high?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Yep. It can still be in one fbx or whatever, just it would be its own mesh inside of it

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https://mk0marmoset2r9got8jk.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/cagedisplay-1.gif And here, you can get an idea of why that problem happens with this. So when you don't have a cage, the tool always tries to generate one for you. And those artifacts pop up when another, unwanted mesh, goes and intersects, causing the baker's rays to hit the wrong thing

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:57 AM

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Very neat, i like that visualization

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makes sense

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by the way, i toyed with some of the auto tools in maya, is this uv map better or worse?

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grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:58 AM

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It's a clusterfuck, but better. Somehow.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 5:58 AM

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lmao

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yeah theres small parts everywhere but the islands dont have overlaps within them so i guess theres a trade

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 5:58 AM

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Make your own, it'll always be better. That right now is a complete, jumbled mess

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:00 AM

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do you have an example of an "ideal" uv map i could use as reference? for example, would one like this be good?

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things look organized, have spacing between, and arent rotated randomly

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:01 AM

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https://quixel.se/hub/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Overlaping.jpg

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/57/b7/d457b7ce9f1a7542f3e08c5610fed461.jpg

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:02 AM

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the right one there looks like my auto one, lol

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:03 AM

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https://quixel.se/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Texel-Density.jpg

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Keep consistent scale between islands too, or it'll look like that

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https://quixel.se/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Stretching.jpg And try not to have any absurd stretching

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:05 AM

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the model im working on had that part looking good at the least:

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grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:05 AM

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https://www.rizom-lab.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ZenithUIFullScreenShot.gif Sometimes you run into situations like this whewre you have to use an auto packer or you'll die of old age before you finish UVing it, but even then, you still lay out the UVs manually in the first place and unless you're working with an incredibly detailed model for film, you're unlikely to ever run into this situation in games.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:06 AM

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oh wow, wouldnt creating a model like that in separate smaller parts be better then?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:07 AM

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For non-game stuff, that's actually fine. Tools like Mari can texture much higher resolution stuff without dying like substance, and if you break it up then suddenly you can't work on the whole model at once.

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But until virtual texturing becomes the norm, I promise you, you will never, ever see a model that complex in games.

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And if you do, slap your modeler.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:08 AM

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lol, so you wouldnt even use that as a highpoly version for texture baking?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:08 AM

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Nobody UVs the high poly.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:09 AM

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oh. well thats good, lmao

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:09 AM

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Nothing's stopping you... but there's no point. At all. Even remotely.

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 6:19 AM

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My trick is I UV map by planes. Front, top, side.

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:21 AM

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is that triplanar projection? the first step would look like this then, right?

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and the next step would be laying out those shells so that they are not overlapping?

grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:21 AM

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How on earth did you even do that, that shouldn't be possible. It looks like it duplicated UVs from the top and front view

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I don't know if I should be horrified or impressed

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 6:22 AM

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lmao

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i did this:

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grim sinew Oct 11, 2018, 6:22 AM

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I'll let you in on a hint - Maya's Auto UV sucks.

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Do not use it expecting to get production ready results

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The most useful part about Maya's Auto UV is that it gives you islands with little distortion to start manually stitching together

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 6:25 AM

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Autodesk over charges for sub par, dated software, that you will no longer own, but instead rent.

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Software that they acquired through viking style pillaging.

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 7:16 AM

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What software do you use?@high stone

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:20 AM

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Autodesk. ):

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:24 AM

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Autodesk isn't a software :p

storm venture Oct 11, 2018, 7:30 AM

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is this a good uv unwrap for the magazine?

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It used to be this:

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is it even worth spending the time to do stuff like this? honestly it took me quite a bit and i hate doing it

graceful epoch Oct 11, 2018, 7:36 AM

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It looks a a lot better, make sure the uv seams are the same as your hard edges to get a proper bake

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 7:38 AM

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Everyone keeps complaining about Autodesk, why not just forget about 3ds max and Maya, go full Blender and build your own pipelines and tools around it for the entire industry.
Take the bull by the horns and turn your lives around for once like grown ups

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I used 3ds max between 2005 and 2014, was sick of it and I use Modo, Zbrush and Blender now.

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Don`t talk about it. Do something about it.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:41 AM

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I'm pretty okay with autodesk stuff, just wish max and cie wouldn't be so crash happy

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:42 AM

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@languid shard Autodesk Maya is software.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/5qcO2K1.png

Imgur

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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@plush yew I've tried Blender and Bryce. They are both lacking. With that said I do own Blender and Zbrush as well.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:43 AM

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Maya is a software

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but Autodesk alone is just the company name

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:p

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Originally it was called Alias Wavefront Maya. Rebranded Autodesk Maya.

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Don't talk history with me. I've lived through it, and the part where they threw out the second hand sales law. Vernor v Autodesk.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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Vernor ?

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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You aren't aware of the historic court ruling?

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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not really

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:45 AM

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You should. It affected software prices.

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Please tell me you are aware of the recent EU link tax. Knowing these laws as a game dev is vital when selling across regions, hiring new staff.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:46 AM

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hmm

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I'm not a gamedev, although I'd like to

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Doesn't ring a bell :/

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I work in the building industry, lots of gamedev rules don't apply for us

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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So you use autocad?

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:48 AM

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revit

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revit/max/unreal is the winning combination for us

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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Interesting. For the longest time everything was autocad with such industries.

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I'm seeing Unreal break more into film. It's impressive.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:49 AM

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yeah since BIM came in the formula a lot of people have been moving to revit

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:50 AM

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Have they begun implementing Lidar into any of the process?

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:50 AM

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I was at this year's Unreal Build at Paris, half of the presentations were about the movie industry

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slowly, but its getting here. Sometimes I have to work with point clouds, but Lidar stuff is mostly for renovation, and we do 95% engineering and construction

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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I'm glad the industry has progressed. I was starting to worry when I saw autocad fall behind.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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we're still years behind industries like cars or planes

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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Probably because of Nvidia for the cars.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:52 AM

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when I got recruited, two years ago, we still had engineers working on paper

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(and we still have one or two)

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:53 AM

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Good old blue prints.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:53 AM

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eh

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makes a mess on the ground when you walk around the office

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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I remember my grand father telling me tales of the giant cylinders, scrolls being carried everywhere.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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probably an age not too far away 😄

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 7:54 AM

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It's crazy how much has changed in a single generation.

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You probably have already seen several software companies making a stab at Autodesk. If they continue to succeed. We can finally see a massive price drop in 3d software. Similar to what we saw in video editors.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 7:57 AM

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there was a lot of stuff coming out for the game industry yeah

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animation softwares, texturing softwares

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 8:10 AM

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I look forward to the continued progress. Glad to see it's spreading to other markets.

grizzled panther Oct 11, 2018, 8:14 AM

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There's a real accessibility issue at the moment with this kind of software where you have to invest a lot just to use the software

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Luckily I still have my 3 year student license for Autodesk

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But then it'll be back to blender

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 8:15 AM

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care with that, you can't sell stuff made with student licences

grizzled panther Oct 11, 2018, 8:16 AM

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Yeah I know, thank you though👍

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 8:16 AM

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😄

grizzled panther Oct 11, 2018, 8:16 AM

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I'm just using it as a learning tool

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But it proves my point even further

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Can you sell creations made in blender? That's open source isn't it?

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It's a tricky one because obviously businesses need to make money when they produce industry software like this

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But at the same time not everyone can afford it

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 8:19 AM

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yeah you can sell stuff made with blender

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you can't sell blender's source though 😄

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getting into gamedev sure is an investment on all sides

grizzled panther Oct 11, 2018, 8:21 AM

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As with any role in the creative/development industry:(

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 8:39 AM

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Autodesk used to cost $2k and you owned it for life. At one point they were on the verge of bankruptcy, the price dropped to $1,500. Then the lawsuit happened. A infamous judge ruled against the right to first sale doctrine. Autodesk continued it's acquisition of all new software, advancements made by various smaller companies. The price went up, eventually to a point where you can only rent it at $3,500 a year. It's nonsense that I could go to jail if I sell my old copies of Maya. But that's where it stands.

south ridge Oct 11, 2018, 8:40 AM

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You should be in jail for not giving up all your money to audodesk!

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 8:41 AM

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Agreed. There was a 2016 attempt to overturn it. But it's a supreme court ruling. Easily one of the worst laws every pushed through. It's like they rewound the clocks back to the 1890's.

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A lot of the laws, starting in 1890 were against robber barons, monopolies, copyright abuse. Most concluding around 1935.

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 8:58 AM

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To all those angry at Autodesk, be angry at those individuals and companies that keep supporting their products instead of creating their own heaven with Blender or else.

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When artists reach a certain level of maturity, they end up reaching a point where they need to customize their apps, creating their own scripts, their own tools.
But how many artist will never bother learning programming?
Are you sick of something? Change it.

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👽 humans are hilarious...

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:05 AM

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@grizzled panther with blender, what you make with it is 100% you

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there is no EULA

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its truly yours

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unlike with autodesk

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where it actually isnt truly yours

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you can actually sell blender code

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but it needs to be public

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so it will get copied instantly XD

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:07 AM

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In time Autodesk will lose to competition. They just need to take a page out of Blender and not sell out to them.

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 9:09 AM

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perhaps

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can't sleep. have to move tomorrow :X

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Autodesk bought Modo, Ray Trace, Image, Maya, Cad, you name it. They own it. It was only until the past few years that devs learned to not sell out. Then we got Houdini, 3dPaint. We saw advancements in Bryce, Blender. Devs are pushing back. The reason is simple. Autodesk hasn't made anything on their own in years. They just buy it out.

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:11 AM

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nah, autodesk doesnt do development any more, they just have a subscription and if you stop paying you literally lose access to your production assets

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easy money

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i remember from the ton rosendaal interview

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:11 AM

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In the business world you can get far buying out competition. But it won't last. In business you eventually have to adapt or die.

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:11 AM

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that he said that maybe 20 people worked on maya

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:11 AM

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Yep. That's true.

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If Hollywood ever put their feet down. That would do the most damage.

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 9:12 AM

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reminds me of how the oracle ceo was saying "you can't buy talent, can't just buy a company if you want to actually develop a custom software solution, it has to be built, if it's specific enough"

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hollywood. argh. my living space :X

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:12 AM

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remember XSI?

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:13 AM

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Hollywood blindly dumps billions on CGI.

plush yew Oct 11, 2018, 9:13 AM

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one of my friends was really into XSI i think lol

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he kept telling me about it

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:13 AM

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autodesk bought it specifically to instantly kil it

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:13 AM

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80% of the game industry doesn't pay for Maya. Cough...

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:14 AM

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do you know that if you use education license, autodesk owns your 3d models?

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and they are watermarked

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and the FBX Sdk in unreal engine rats you

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and if the sdk rats you, and autodesk asks epic games for your adress, epic games has to give it

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:14 AM

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Glad Unreal went in the direction they did.

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:14 AM

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becouse part of the license when you integrate the FBX sdk, is that if autodesk asks for user info, you give it

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:14 AM

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Look at all the advancements due to that decision.

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:15 AM

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and if you dont give autodesk user info, then autodesk has the right to remove the fbx sdk from your program

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:15 AM

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BTW Unreal pulls in more revenue as of 2017 than Autodesk.

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Don't remind me. I'm on their file system. One of the hold outs for their older versions before they went rental.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 9:16 AM

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probably pulled out more revenue since fortnite than any gaming company 😂

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:16 AM

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If it works it works. Unreal is able to make more and has a giant staff.

languid shard Oct 11, 2018, 9:16 AM

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heck they even offered us ONE YEAR of unreal studio, and specified it was thanks to fortnite

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yeah I mean Fortnite is alright, and gives us a huge tech boost in the BG

high stone Oct 11, 2018, 9:17 AM

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Fortnite cereal. It's coming.

frank escarp Oct 11, 2018, 9:17 AM

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well, Paragon gave us more cool shit

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fortnite is giving us multiplatform/online stuff, mostly