Do you think they do it all by hand?
#ue4-general
pallid compass
heavy falcon
No they only have one server and as soon as the master server is up they let go all IT personel </irony>
digital siren
Did I perhaps brake something here? xD
heavy falcon
The server ofcourse
pallid compass
Even ur sarcasm is wrong af
heavy falcon
Stop being so cloudy
pallid compass
@obsidian nimbus bet your loving this
obsidian nimbus
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pallid compass
Your mixing up login / backend / master manager
heavy falcon
I'm mixing jack with coke
pallid compass
Critical blow right there.
versed spear
That explains it
polar hawk
There is no rule that they have to be different
obsidian nimbus
Im a master surfer
digital siren
ALRIGHT! so, one master server to maintain everything (even can interact with the API to check login details (?) ) but what can manage the regional servers ?
polar hawk
Load balancers
polar hawk
Manual workers flipping switches
digital anchor
to set this up
pallid compass
Yeah id say let a provider handle it
heavy falcon
I'd say it depends on what a regional server is, if it's cloud based probably the master can spin them up and take them down live from an image, otherwise probably people
pallid compass
u normally get a nice control pannel with em
digital siren
Alright so I have region servers, lets say players can create "rooms" on those servers, what happens next. Just sessions that move them to actual game servers ? or hwat ?
pallid compass
u ever used AStarGraph.h?
polar hawk
No
pallid compass
god dam it
heavy falcon
Wow realm server
pallid compass
Golden
U might just wann define what your actual scope requirements are
you know, MMO, fortnite style, lobbies, etc
digital siren
Alright the game:
heavy falcon
Here we go
obsidian nimbus
spoiler alert
digital siren
HA!
obsidian nimbus
i got 1080p allready
heavy falcon
lel
pallid compass
a Template with 3 templates in it, with 1 of the 3 templates linking too the other using a typedef
digital siren
No alright so:
Its a FPS game, after post login, please can choose the best regional server for their ping. After joining the regional server they'll travel towards the "main lobby" which holds every room with maps (sessions) when joining an waiting room, they just see an list of people getting ready to play and eventually the room master can start the game
and than the game just happens
heavy falcon
It Just Happensโข
pallid compass
Client > login > lobby > games
u dont even need a regional server
u can just feed it basic data via web info
or just deploy static information for them
digital siren
But its FPS xD
digital siren
So that would mean I ill host it on a potato server you get massive lagg ?
pallid compass
wat no
digital anchor
the games themselves are by region he means
pallid compass
Yeah thats fine
digital anchor
no need for a 'regional server' then a 'game server'
pallid compass
But u dont need to rent a regional server to point to region login servers
digital anchor
just... a game server
heavy falcon
What do you need a regional login server for you can use the master and have the regional server host the game?
digital siren
Alright, so lets say we take out the regional server
plush yew
galaxy in turmoil
digital siren
What would happen if I host the actual servers at a DC in murrica and ill go a head and wanna join the room in a NA server
pallid compass
then u join the room in the na server?
digital anchor
well, you dont allow or you dont suggest servers with high ping
heavy falcon
But the room is in DC
digital siren
That would give me an huge disadvantage since I ah further away of the server than someone else in murrica
digital anchor
simply dont show them
pallid compass
well dont join a dc server then?
digital anchor
, _ ,
pallid compass
i never said dont have regional servers
digital siren
I mean Data center
heavy falcon
Why can I play on NA Overwatch server from EU with 150 ping without lag
pallid compass
Because of overwatches prediction system
digital anchor
well lets not compare overwatch to an indie game
heavy falcon
@digital siren get a prediction system
obsidian nimbus
in the old days i played 150ping all the time, every1 did
pallid compass
Pro tip, if this is your first game stop, or hire someone to handle your back end or its gonna be a mess
digital siren
Hmm
heavy falcon
Hire me and Rei we got this
digital siren
I can do backends ๐ฆ I built the API login system everything
pallid compass
thats ez stuff
digital siren
Yeah I know
but now I get confused since I don't want to use steam as subsessionsystem thingy
pallid compass
Then you need to really know wtf ur doing
digital siren
http://cedric-neukirchen.net/Downloads/Compendium/UE4_Network_Compendium_by_Cedric_eXi_Neukirchen.pdf < This pdf got me confused af
digital siren
"You can also create your own Subsystem/Master Server, but that requires a lot of coding outside of UE4."
So I was like okay np
But there is literally no info about a "master server" whatsoever
heavy falcon
Lol I think I know that guy!
pallid compass
But if your having a little issue there, then you need to rescope
heavy falcon
From 15 years ago ... ๐ฎ
digital anchor
a master server really depends on the implementation of your provider, gcloud have tools to see what servers are open and where
so you just see: whats the next empty server in Europe
good, lets choose this one to match the players
now the match is over: kill it
pallid compass
Yeah you really want scalability
versed spear
I rely need to find a better engine ๐ฆ
pallid compass
But most likely ur game will tank
digital siren
tank wot ?XD
heavy falcon
tank like go under
pallid compass
Theres a formula you see
if no players online = no one players
if no one plays = no players
then to top that off
You need like 100 players cycling 24/7
otherwise u will bleed money
vblanco or someone else can explain this better
I cant remember it off the top of my head
digital siren
Unless I have like my own servers? xD
pallid compass
Then that is fine
heavy falcon
pallid compass
But you better have EPSU's and business line
otherwise any issues and players will just leave
people have 0 tolerance for bs these days, unless its a super addictive game
also Mattxor ue4 is easy mode i swear to god
obsidian nimbus
put the good servers in gambling lootboxes , ppl like this stuff
versed spear
So true. Currently there is a whole community waiting to jump ship but there is no game that compares.
digital siren
Well if the game I am trying to (re)make would just use Unreal Engine there would be just more and more players
heavy falcon
Is this not how it works?
obsidian nimbus
the logic is sound!
versed spear
It is if there is a whole community begging for a game like the one they have played for the past 15 years
digital siren
Well, I am still in contact of the old player base. We have still our community...
Lol
obsidian nimbus
is it postal?
heavy falcon
Like Battlefield Heroes?
pallid compass
so what like 10k people or?
digital siren
No
pallid compass
then again thats a super small number of people i guess
versed spear
The game I am trying to recreate is Ragnarok online but how it was over 10 years ago.
heavy falcon
Is it Ark: Survival Evolved?
digital siren
Mwah around 220
digital siren
Can I link here an wiki page with the actual info of the game ?
obsidian nimbus
those didnt have regional, it was all in japan or korea or something
pallid compass
yes
digital siren
digital anchor
now im confused as fk
heavy falcon
Is it Club Penguin?
digital siren
They have their own "engine" which was declared finished back in 2006. (Imagine how bad it was then, it has not changed anything). People are craving for such a game, thats why the created private servers ๐
heavy falcon
@digital anchor that would have been something
versed spear
lol Takain sorry for derail
digital siren
I would end up killing my self since I did not figured out how to even get info about a "master" server xD
pallid compass
id just use steam honestly, ur giving ur self extra work
digital siren
I am up for a challenge tbh if there would be any information
pallid compass
Put it this way
The amount of people who come through here similar to you, about 95% of the flop and never even finish there game
heavy falcon
With 200-300 people just set up two servers and let them choose
pallid compass
let alone getting it up and running with quality
So make it as easy as you can on your self.
manic pawn
just have players host the servers and then it costs nothing ๐ค
digital siren
I have built in 3 weeks my own API, Login system and exp counter. I am not knowing such thing as fail. of course perhaps something as this cannot run but it will be an great experience for me.
And I really like it that you are taking the time to answer me and every "development" community has like 90%+ of people that are quiting because "its to difficult" or whatever reason, I don't have that mindset unfortunately. This project is not something I want to get finished in 3 days, 3 weeks or 3 months. I can surely say I want to take the time to understand it all! and would love input and suggestions from this community!
versed spear
They are quiting because they spend so much time on a crap engine that is only meant for single player games.
digital siren
And that is not reflecting on UE4 right? xD because otherwise I am fucked too
versed spear
It is unless. you want to edit the UE4 source code and bend it to your games needs.
digital anchor
if youre expecting 10-20 players in multiplayer, ue4 is not only doable but really good for multiplayer
you will only need to do extras if youre aiming 100-200 players
versed spear
That is correct and makes me sad.
obsidian nimbus
pubg does 100, i doubt they changed the source
digital siren
The "extras" is it something that is explained in the documentation or information I can obtain ?
versed spear
G0lden23 the whole object movment needs to be rewritten. Replication is a joke.
heavy falcon
@obsidian nimbus neither is a good developer
obsidian nimbus
ouch, burn!
digital siren
So you come back at creating your own engine ?
obsidian nimbus
they need some better ppl in their legal department too ๐
digital siren
They need better people overall xD
heavy falcon
But they don't take good people!
digital anchor
the extras would probably making a simpler movement component, a prediction that works on large scale.... that stuff
replicating only whats needed...
digital siren
Such as the position of the friendly and enemy team ?
obsidian nimbus
they drop update to players far away compared to closeby on fortnite
digital anchor
yeah, like that
digital siren
@ Bluehole if you are a farmer and would like to be a game developer you get hired... otherwise you are rejected
heavy falcon
That's why we won't have a chance
obsidian nimbus
did u just insult BLue? ๐
digital siren
Sorry @fiery wharf i don;t know you buuut!!!! the mention was not intended.. sorry โค
settled xD
heavy falcon
Bluehole is like Bohemia Interactive and Player Unknown is Dean Hall
digital siren
Hahah alright I laughed.. busted
Alright who has any experience in the rebuilding of prediction system ?xD
obsidian nimbus
do so when needed
heavy falcon
@Blizzard guys
obsidian nimbus
its something u can tweak later
digital siren
Alright so, thats not a priority ?
digital siren
I go just further to create the game haha
versed spear
Should be fine for your game style.
heavy falcon
Gonna leave, bye guys xD
versed spear
lata
digital siren
Thanks for the information! and the amusing discussion โค
obsidian nimbus
np, GL ๐
steady hinge
Today I'm going to set my AI to stop walking around when the player talks to them, and then go back to walking as soon as the conversation is done.
Should be simple enough.
graceful grove
Setting small, achievable goals is a good way to keep a project scope in focus ๐
steady hinge
If I add one thing every day, by the end of the year I might have a game.
Or I'll at least know a lot more about blueprints.
pallid compass
i just hate templates
it wont let me post an image o_O
foof! there we go, world grid path finding based on defined tiles working with procedurally generated dungeon's, no nav mesh
graceful grove
Well done, is this an extension of that new tile pathfinding module?
graceful grove
@pallid compass Look for GridPathFollowingComponent, NavLocalGridData, GridPathAIController, etc.
I think this stuff was new as of 4.18 although I haven't inspected it myself
pallid compass
well gonna kms
graceful grove
I was 99% sure you were fixing up that implementation
On the bright side doing stuff by hand is great for learning
worn granite
Rei did this for 2d, then got it working in 3d
pallid compass
2.5d master race
graceful grove
I've bumped this article a lot, but I did a writeup on implementing 2d a* pathfinding integrated with RecastNavMesh https://unrealingens.wordpress.com/2018/05/02/overriding-default-ue4-pathfinding-behavior-through-recastnavmesh/ Would like to revisit this one someday and get jump point search and some other misc improvements
pallid compass
oh thats kinda cool
Im avoiding NAV mesh's because they are heavy as fuck on mobile
graceful grove
I haven't personally tested it but since it integrates with CMC and pathfollowing component it should work straightaway with network replication and other benefits
graceful grove
Yeah, I suspect it would be more efficient to do runtime pathability checks rather than dynamic navmesh for some circumstances. Interesting problem to have ๐ค
plush yew
any tips for ai?
muted kraken
Anybody here know anything about making underwater vehicles in UE4?
tawdry raptor
please help we hit rebuild lighting and now our project has been hanging with the messeage "building reflective captures" we have spent over 200 hours on this map and we dont know what to do!
weary basalt
How many reflection probes does the level have?
tawdry raptor
oh wait it seems to have stopped
wow that was scary
anyone ever see this problem? I have a vent and its see through I need it to be able to see the inner walls if you walk into the vent it turns invisible
plush yew
@tawdry raptor you gotta make the material two sided if the mesh has an inner face that you want to see like a tunnel
steady hinge
The blueprints now talk to each other. Now I just have to put in the instructions.
tawdry raptor
why is my control too so far away from my mesh?
grim sinew
it's always at world origin at export
tawdry raptor
is there anyway to make it closer, I have been editing this way for 3 hours
tawdry raptor
so I have to edit this way for good?
how do I make it normal?
this is barbarric to have to work like this
grim sinew
Fix it yourself and reimport the mesh
As I just said, it's exported at world origin. So move the mesh so where you want the pivot to be is at 0,0,0 in your DCC tool when exporting.
plush yew
photon : center your object pivot in your 3d app, set the world pos to 0,0,0 like zero said, and then move it to UE
plush yew
if you are making a level, you should do the entire thing in the 3d app and then import the outer level into UE
and then place objects like decor and stuff in UE manually
tawdry raptor
really?
plush yew
yea taht is standard pipeline
plush yew
or if you spawned the tiles in unreal it's possible
like level gen
@tawdry raptor here is an example of a level i did in 3ds, and i UVed it in the same tool
applied mats in UE, and then placed decor
i tried doing the placement like you are doing in UE, but it took too long for me if i wanted to do multiple levels, so i switched workflows
tawdry raptor
after feeling like i have accomplished something, i now find out, 200 hours later im doing it all wrong...
grim sinew
There's nothing wrong with making the whole map in engine
Most UE4 devs do
You just need to fix your pivot once, and it'll apply to every instance of the mesh.
plush yew
it's a bit faster if you model the entire thing outside if it has details. for outside envs like forests and stuff you can place all the meshes like that sure.
grim sinew
The way gothic does it is certainly not standard in Unreal 4, the engine isn't built that way.
It won't let the engine cull things properly
plush yew
huh? lol i just set my normals properly
grim sinew
Setting normals has nothing to do with culling objects behind the camera
Fratsum culling and proper normals are two separate things.
And building it as 1 mesh makes it more difficult to increase fidelity later.
What you're doing is what people normally do for a blockout, before scrapping the entire thing for the production art.
plush yew
yeah i mean as an outside environment mesh.. and normals have a lot to do with what shows up in front of the camera
yea, blocking
again, if i get critism here i jsut want to be respectfully criticised please ๐
i work hard and think of you as my collaborators
grim sinew
This. You can't do it with how you do it.
What you're doing with making it as 1 mesh stops this from functioning
I'm not criticizing you, I'm stopping you from spreading bad information
plush yew
ah ok, well yeah i dont optimize for that
grim sinew
@tawdry raptor Everything you're doing is fine, just fix the pivots and go about your business.
plush yew
again please don't accuse me of stuff dude.. i've been through this before with someone else
@grim sinew
grim sinew
I'm not accusing you of anything except for being wrong. None of this is about you.
I'm trying to help someone else.
plush yew
different people have different pipelines and opinions. and my information is not bad or incorrect
grim sinew
Except for the fact that is objectively wrong that people do things that way, yeah it's not bad or incorrect.
Some engines can work around working fully in your DCC tool, Unreal is not one of them.
plush yew
it's really a simple matter of having large chunks of outer mesh environemnts for the optim you were talking about anyways.. simple step of separating meshes if i wanted that
my levels are fairly small though, so yeah
grim sinew
Do what you want. None of this was aimed at you. I'm simply stopping the flow of bad information.
plush yew
if he places like each individual tile in manually, moves and translates them, it takes longer than doing the extrusion in blender @grim sinew
grim sinew
I don't care what you workflow is or what you do in your game. I just don't want bad habits to spread to people that don't know better.
You're welcome to have all the bad habits you want, just don't push them on people just starting out. It'll make things harder for them later when they invest 100+ hours into a project and need to redo it.
plush yew
The thing is i've already been making a game, and I have plenty of good habits.. I just don't like being talked to disrespectfully or rudely.
That's all.
grim sinew
I don't know how many more times I need to say this, this isn't about you or your project. At all.
plush yew
And again, modelling in a 3d program is faster than manual placement for 200+ tiles dude. think about what you write.
grim sinew
I do not care. In the slightest. What you do.
plush yew
you've gotten caught up in technical stuff so much you might be forgetting what's time optmized here.
grim sinew
Just don't push bad habits on others.
Right, and that's why it's what people do for a blockout. Not when you're placing final assets in a scene.
plush yew
i don't disagree with that at all. yes it's standard practice for blocking out.
grim sinew
Right. And then you delete the whole thing and do it properly.
You're missing that whole second step from your explanation, and he was placing objects like final assets and just wanting to fix pivots.
grim sinew
Because you're not rendering all 200
If you do what you do, you -are- rendering all 200
plush yew
with the frustrum thing you said, sure. i get that.
grim sinew
And culling in general
There's a reason culling has been a thing in 3d games for like 30 years now
this isn't a new concept
plush yew
how about this - if he models chunks of the level, it will still allow for the frustrum culling. just transforming and duping tiles 200 times is not optimal. i can assure you.
grim sinew
Not if you can see them all at once, but if you can't see them all at once, it is.
Have you even ever looked at a production 3d scene?
Ever?
plush yew
sure, models a balcony, models a main hall, models a nice path, has chunks. then adds some detail in UE. all that stuff makes sense
grim sinew
Have you seen how they're broken down?
plush yew
production like in a game?
grim sinew
Yes, like a finished, released game.
plush yew
haven't worked in a real studio so not yet, but i saw some crysis stuff
like crysis models
so IK what u are talking about with separating your meshes
winged crypt
Anyone else get hiccups / stutters every few seconds after prolonged use of UE? Even my mouse itself stutters every time it happens as long as UE is open. And in-game, it drops my FPS from 90 to 30 or lower for a split second when it happens. Something to do with garbage collection maybe?
grim sinew
You mean the thing they did in that game?
plush yew
i had the crysis engine and i remember a while ago
grim sinew
For everything?
grim sinew
Yeah. And?
plush yew
i remember it was modular
like you said
but it was not like TILE by TIILE by TILE.
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it was not each polygon separated.
there wa s arock here
or a hall there
grim sinew
He's not doing each polygon god dammit. He had a single mesh for the vents. He was building them modularly, like you should
plush yew
come on at least meet me halfway here ๐
grim sinew
Did you even LOOK at his problem?
plush yew
it's called compromise ๐ chunks arefine ๐
fervent stag
Hello everyone.
grim sinew
Hi, don't mind us
fervent stag
I'm hoping to get some help on an issue and thought this may be a good place to ask
grim sinew
Probably is
steady hinge
I have the hypothesis that it is no longer necessary to even use Max/Maya/Blender to do level design...
grim sinew
I'll be honest, I completely forgot people with that opinion exist in the world
fervent stag
It about Clothing, using them in UE4. We have characters and limited clothing. If we bought some clothing are they usable without too much tinkering?
plush yew
@grim sinew ok let me ask you a question. how can you get like level structure without doing modelling. unless you are referring to that being in the blocking phase? is your idea that you block out the level, then place tiles to fit?
grim sinew
@fervent stag Clothing usually needs to be placed deliberately on your character, it's very hard to have generic clothing that works for anything
It's a part of the character rig and everything
fervent stag
for some that works, but for the player characters the ability to change clothes, add protection and storage capacity, is kind of important
steady hinge
That is very possible, but not an easy task by any means.
grim sinew
It's possible, but the easier way is just to have entirely separate torsos for every variant, like a fully modular character
steady hinge
But you will have to do a lot of setup on each of the assets to make sure it is compatible with your main skeleton.
fervent stag
@steady hinge we kind of figured that but before I layout any money I need to be sure that its 1) do-able and 2) not going to cause all sorts of issues
better to ask first...
grim sinew
@plush yew And what you would normally do is make the level like you did, spend maybe a day on it, and then go through and replace the entire thing with modular pieces.
steady hinge
If it was me I would probably just chop up the mesh and have interchangeable parts.
grim sinew
What you have right now, that you're saying should be the final product, is honestly maybe a day of work for an actual level designer, before putting hundreds of hours in to making it look good.
Nobody would ever use that for a final level
That's step 1 out of hundreds
plush yew
@grim sinew all right, and if you spend all the time placing hundreds of little meshes, even in a modular way, I am just saying that if you model out CHUNKS it is more organized and a bit better workflow.
steady hinge
But... if you are paying money for 3d models, does that mean you don't have someone on your team that knows how to do this?@fervent stag
plush yew
but I see what you mean about the frustrum thing, so point taken there.
steady hinge
Maybe I am assuming too much from your original question...
fervent stag
@steady hinge Unfortunately we lost our primary modeler
grim sinew
Making the pieces too big isn't viable for anything with a high fidelity target, since you simply run out of texture memory or things start looking bad because you tile them too much. The only 'large mesh' in any production environment is the landscape itself.
Everything else is modular both for memory constraints and because it's easier on the artists.
fervent stag
so we have solid characters, supplemented with some purchased characters and now we lack clothes
plush yew
@grim sinew that's kinda what i am talking about! landscape!
you saw my 3ds pic earlier right?
that was like my landscape
then i place props in
like you said
steady hinge
Can you explain what you want the final product in game to be?
Are you wanting to have a character that the player can customize with different outfits?
grim sinew
You are aware that landscapes are broken up into hundreds of components, right?
It's not even 1 massive mesh in that case.
plush yew
sure
fervent stag
@steady hinge Yes, that what we're looking for
plush yew
IK that, i mean landscape mesh, like grass plane
steady hinge
So you currently have 3d models for these characters?
grim sinew
And it's not exactly the same, since because when it's broken up into those components, you have fewer lights per component, fewer texture samples, you can occlude parts of the landscape behind itself, etc.
steady hinge
And you want to add more outfit possibilities?
fervent stag
right, a new one replacing the old
grim sinew
It may be one object you control but to the engine, it's hundreds or thousands of objects.
plush yew
@grim sinew i did this in world machine and used it as a landscape b4
fervent stag
perhaps separating the character into parts if the way to go
grim sinew
So?
plush yew
are you talking about engine splitting it into polys?
what do you mean hunderds of obejcts?
grim sinew
The engine handles that for you. It even tells you how it does it when you construct it.
fervent stag
@plush yew I live in Phoenix Az, those are great colors for the scene
steady hinge
How many different articles of clothing make up each character? shoes, pants, shirt, hat?
plush yew
ty wrangler
grim sinew
You remember seeing something about landscape components?
Those components are how many individual objects the landscape has internally
fervent stag
yes, plus whatever gear he/she needs
grim sinew
They can be culled like anything else
A 4k landscape has 1,024 actual objects that make it up
plush yew
ohhh wait are you talking about the native UE landscape tool thing?
grim sinew
A 1k landscape has either 64 or 256 components, etc
And each component has 63x63 quads.
So even in landscapes, the biggest "single mesh" ever used in games, it's NEVER just a single massive mesh.
plush yew
i haven't used the native landscape tools if that's what youre talking about right now
grim sinew
somehow that doesn't surprise me
plush yew
because i used world machine or others or just imported from 3d software
there's no need to be sarcastic and cynical. please.
fervent stag
we used a height map for the primary project 16 tiles x 16 tiles
grim sinew
It's better to vent tiny bits of frustration here and there than do it all at once. Trust me.
When you import the heightmap form world machine into Unreal and make a landscape, it doesn't matter if you sculpt it in Unreal, it still uses this system
steady hinge
Hats don't need to be skinned, neither do glasses or goggles, and even backpacks and such can just be added on as different objects.
I would recommend just cutting you character mesh into 3 sections and swapping pieces.
Might be hard get them to fit together right on the skeleton however, if they are all from different asset creators and you don't have someone on your team who has experience with it. A 3d modeler would have no trouble however. @fervent stag
grim sinew
Unless you mean you made a single massive static mesh, in which case, that's actually insanity
And you may be the only person in gaming to ever do so
steady hinge
World Machine is great.
fervent stag
@steady hinge I'm fairly confident that we can manage if it comes down to conforming clothing items to the UE4 skeleton (which is what we used for player character generation)
steady hinge
Ok, cool.
I am not saying that my way is the only way as well, just throwing my brainstorming out there. For something like you are doing there are probably a lot of different answers.
plush yew
well anyways i can completely understand the use of the chunk idea / mesh culling like you were describing if the object is not in view of the camera. i'll maybe try to separate out my levels a bit more. that's what i've taken away from this discussion. ๐
steady hinge
I'm actually planning to move to World Creator from World Machine pretty soon.
fervent stag
@steady hinge We are a small team of friends who decided to make a game. We've had people come and go but the core is still intact but putting a royalty sign on a project understandably deters a lot of people.
plush yew
i'm not doubting that you are knowledgable, beacuse you helped me earlier when i was using two sided materials on stuff. just saying. we're all in this together.
i'm a smart guy too man.
grim sinew
When you get the chance, look at the UT4 editor. DM-Chill is a decent map to learn a lot from. It'll help your level design workflow considerably when you see how it's constructed.
fervent stag
@steady hinge this is the level at which we work...its friends but its to eventually sell on Steam. ๐
grim sinew
Everything you could want to know about making good looking levels, you can learn from the UT4 editor. Epic did some insane stuff everywhere in that. It's a really good showcase of how to use the engine to its fullest.
plush yew
ok
steady hinge
I think your scene needs about 50% more ducks.
fervent stag
lol, we have them. We just haven't added the animals yet
grim sinew
That level looks great. The water is a little too dark past the reflected treeline though, makes it look like oil a bit
steady hinge
Ducks can make or break your Steam sells.
plush yew
wow is that a real level? i thought it was a pic lol great job
fervent stag
ty, its a work in progress
grim sinew
I would also be slightly less aggressive with your tree LODs, things like that are killing the look and it would otherwise probably fool me pretty well
fervent stag
and yes DUCKS make it or break it in steam
@grim sinew I'll pass that along
@steady hinge I'll bring what you suggested to everyone else for discussion. I think what you said would probably make things easier in the long run. Thanks
plush yew
@grim sinew is this the one?
grim sinew
Yep
grim sinew
All the maps and stuff for the whole game are in there
The only rule is, the EULA says you can't copy anything from there directly for your own project. But if it's just for learning, everything's open
obsidian nimbus
UT editor is kinda big ๐
last time i wanted to check it i was like mweh, need moar space :P)
plush yew
i set the install drive to my archive storage drive
so i have space now thankfully haha
i had a massive overhaul of my space config a few days ago
was really obsessed with getting the engine optimized for time, so i finally moved my source built version to the SSD
loads faster now thankfully
32 GB, gonna try to look at the levels
grim sinew
Takes a while to open them because, well, shader complexity. You'll see what I mean.
Epic goes nuts on their materials.
Yet still somehow runs incredibly well
leaden garnet
^
steady hinge
I just realized that you can add inputs and outputs onto a blueprint interface...
leaden garnet
now go crazy with it.
steady hinge
I'm setting up a sphere trace so I can run around and interact with a whole bunch of different things that nobody would ever actually want to interact with...
analog spindle
I could never understand any of the geoglyph macros
Couldnโt even find any decent tutorials
analog spindle
If any of you guys have found or followed any good tutorials or have any good advice about World Machine and Geoglyph, please @ me
plush yew
I have followed a series from Udemy, gumroad and gnomon, I'll DM u the list
mint umbra
Anyone here thats familiar with setting up True Sky for UE4? I got it setup, but I'm having an issue where the clouds and rain flicker when I move my camera.
It doesn't appear in tutorial videos or showcases, so I'm guessing I've ticked a misfit box off in my Project settings haha. I'll try a clean project when I'm back from work.
grim sinew
I last used truesky years ago. I saw your other question earlier about using it in games if it's suitable or not, and a few games use it. Off the top of my head, Ark did..
A few console games too, it's fine.
It's not the most stable though, at least 3 years ago. It may be better now.
The forum thread is pretty active, as is their email support. You can always post there if you have issues.
languid shard
lots can happen in 3 years :p
grim sinew
Indeed!
frank escarp
i saw truesky on a ps4 demo they had with HDR
it looked glorious
their skies and sun shining with the HDR contrast and fancy TV looked SUPER good
they did something like that in Horizon Zero Dawn
tall pendant
do note that TruSky takes quite a hit on perf tho
dim arch
grim sinew
@frank escarp Now I'm tempted to try it, think it's worth the 1 month resub to see what it looks like? ๐
cinder iron
Truesky has improved a lot lately
Id like to point out that because 1 year ish ago its state was a bit questionable.
Thumbs up to the devs ๐
final owl
๐
grim sinew
Is it less buggy? I remember it having visual glitches constantly
cinder iron
Its way better in overall
Just try it out yourself if posible, a bit hard to tell everything by typing
grim sinew
Well yeah, but my trial expired years ago. I would need to re-sub
cinder iron
D'oh
Then I would say, if you have a side project where you need stunning sky landscapes then try it out again
Not sure about patch notes online
grim sinew
Performance still horrible?
And is the sky editor tool less crash-tastic?
As you can tell I had a wonderful experience with it last time. >.>
Crashing constantly, had to run it at the lowest possible settings to get a good framerate, etc
cinder iron
I had two exepriences with it aswell
The last one was way better than my first experience
Performance has improved but you have to acknowledge that it is going to add up a bit.
cinder iron
I dont remember exactly the ms difference but I could calculate it the next time I'll speak with an enviro artist friend of mine.
grim sinew
Would be appreciated. There's a certain VR project that I could see a really good use for the volumetric clouds in.
cinder iron
I'll ask him straight away, I dont have it seted up rn
grim sinew
And not on lowest settings. I want to know what actually looks good, not as pixelated as minecraft. I'm picturing the camera ducking and weaving through these clouds. ๐
grim sinew
Epic would do fine, probably
cinder iron
Oki, I'll let you know. But for VR i imagine you are looking for a forward render numbers
I'll ask him that aswell
grim sinew
Appreciated, thanks!
frank escarp
i asked them for their fancy ps4 sky
like 4-5 miliseconds
so yeah, DEFINITELY not vr ready
cinder iron
Hahah yeah thats what I am fearing VR is a field by itself
Anyways I'll try to get recent data
grim sinew
Ouch, wow
I seem to remember them talking about it in regards to VR too, that's a real shame
leaden dust
ummmm.... whats trusky?
mint umbra
@grim sinew Getting 120 fps with TrueSky. Looks amazing in still shots, just the moving flickering that bugs me. Got the same issue with my foliage billboards, might ne an opacity issue, dithering or something. I'll update when I tried in a fresh project
I didnt check out the ms or the actual perf costs, but 120 fps works for me :)
grim sinew
use profilegpu to figure out what it actually costs though, 120fps doesn't tell me much other than your editor's frame capped
mint umbra
Hmm roger
I'm not too experienced with profiling haha, thanks for enlightening me โ
open lotus
I've allready asked in #audio, but nobody anserwed me so, I'll try to ask here xD
Someone know how to use ausio capture trough ue4
I'l trying to make a systeme that could allow players to speak in game and then be eared in a certain area, like in the real life :3
Thanks for your help <3
cloud cobalt
Here are some leads
Probably outdated as fuck, but might still be close to current
cedar snow
LogBlueprintUserMessages: Late PlayInEditor Detection: Level '/Game/Prototype/Maps/MainMenu.MainMenu:PersistentLevel' has LevelScriptBlueprint '/Game/Prototype/Maps/MainMenu.MainMenu:PersistentLevel.MainMenu' with GeneratedClass '/Game/Prototype/Maps/MainMenu.MainMenu_C' with ClassGeneratedBy '/Game/Prototype/Maps/MainMenu.MainMenu:PersistentLevel.MainMenu'
everything works as expected, but i have a couple of those log messages i can't make sense of
the level doesn't have a level blueprint
cloud cobalt
Guessing all levels do
cedar snow
i meant no level blueprint made be me ๐
also that behaviour happens when stopping PIE
it's followed by an Early Endplaymap and Late Endplaymap
upper heart
@open lotus That is called proximity voice chat
cloud cobalt
@cedar snow So what's the problem ? Because that log looks fine
cedar snow
i'am seeing such messages for the first time and think they hint at me doing something wrong; they also take up lines in the log window ๐
cloud cobalt
Looks fine to me
unreal spoke
Is possible to swap between different cameras inside an actor?
unreal spoke
@pallid compass Set view target with blend? That requires an actor to get the view info for some weird reason. I cannot find a camera blend.
worn granite
Perhaps consider looking into CameraManager?
Alternately you can actually override a pair of functions which get the view info
pallid compass
oh i forgot about that class lmfao
worn granite
the name escapes me
unreal spoke
@worn granite I'm going to try to look for those functions. The camera manager doesn't seem to help.
worn granite
Ah, remembered @unreal spoke
GetFocalLocation and GetFocalRotation for APlayerController.
That's what I was thinking of, not sure they'd be useful.
unreal spoke
Thanks, I'm going to try that too
worn granite
anyway, why isn't the camera manager helping?
unreal spoke
@worn granite because I coudln't find any node to blend between.
Now I managed to change cameras changing the "active" of the cameras. But now I want to smoothly blend between them.
worn granite
Yeah I think you're gonna have to lerp it yourself
unreal spoke
Ah... I see
worn granite
shouldn't be too hard
pallid compass
youtube alot of the time is not the best examples
However
Mathrew has a super good channel
for simple stuff like that
with explanation and examples
delicate needle
His video TOMATOES are the best!
lilac cobalt
upper heart
Ask your question then Omega
astral marsh
Can anybody tell me how can i hide my crosshair of game when cutscene is playing and then get back once cutscene is finished
of a level sequence
astral marsh
also
when cutscene anim is finish
i go suddenly in tpose mode
and cutscene finish
tacit plover
does anyone know a decent amount aboyt computers
heavy falcon
sup
unreal spoke
How to rotate a character when I click on it and drag it left or right? Like in most character selection menus. I think my rotatin glogic is fine but I cannot trigger ActorBeginCursorOver,OnCLicked,ActorOnClicked or ActorOnReleased. I added a capsule to make sure it had collision and tried as BlockAll and also as UI
I used ShowMouseCursor to, well, show the cursor...
worn granite
blueprint? #blueprint - and post what you've tried.
ocean hemlock
(80): error C2039: 'Play': is not a member of 'ASWeapon'
14): note: see declaration of 'ASWeapon'
(96): error C2065: 'MuzzleLocation': undeclared identifier
Any ideas on these errors
frosty bloom
Please pick up a book regarding C++, no offense intended but you keep asking about the very basics. (Googling for 30sec would also work)
ocean hemlock
im using a course
frosty bloom
Which one? There is one on udemy for UE4 C++ (think it's 15$ ~) that I would recommend to you
worn granite
Also we can really only rephrase the error, maybe make guesses as to why you're getting the error. We can't directly show you what you've done wrong.
This is like calling a mechanic and saying "oh yeah, it has a problem and I can tell its not normal."
ocean hemlock
toom looman
frosty bloom
His first error is a function call to something that doesn't exist and the second one is most likely just within a function call that takes a parameter named MuzzleLocation and he didn't insert a FVector of his own
worn granite
ok, if you wanna play fix my error without source
ocean hemlock
dont worry im deleting the file and starting again
pallid compass
Learn non ue4 macro'd c++ first
ocean hemlock
i am nuut a child im 13
worn granite
I mean, rei was venting earlier and had a good point that we're constantly having to ask for greater context with people's questions.
pallid compass
Yeah there needs to be help guidelines
frosty bloom
We do, every time
worn granite
I think in general its better to get people thinking that its always best to help us help you
worn granite
that's the point I was driving at with my mechanic quip.
ocean hemlock
thanks tho guys
frosty bloom
I had to give him some directions since he didn't reply to your statement, which i fully agreed with
pallid compass
this is another example
worn granite
Ah. Misunderstanding on my part.
pallid compass
your telling us sod all
How do people expect help if they give us 0 context
lemi reword that so u see what i mean
My cake has baked really crap, it tastes bad, help?
How are you even meant to answer then sort of questions, no context
worn granite
@ocean hemlock since rei didn't link what he was talking about - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAE85DE8440AA6B83
ocean hemlock
ok
frosty bloom
Most of the time when the context is It's not working, someone help me I believe most of us simply ignore it
heavy falcon
@frosty bloom how to ask correctly?
pallid compass
With basic context and clarity
If you think its too much information, its prob not
frosty bloom
^
heavy falcon
Oh no it's Rei, hi Rei
frosty bloom
The more of basic context and clarity the better
heavy falcon
Noted
pallid compass
U would be surprised how many times in the past iv thought "this issue has nothing to do with X, so i wont mention it" and that has turned out to be the problem
Erik quick off topic
Do u know what the overhead for a USkeletalMeshComponent that is empty
heavy falcon
Yeah I get the point, I use StackOverflow, just wanted to get sure - because it sounded like "I'm not helping if somethings not working"
pallid compass
is it just ptr and some basic allocated memory?
worn granite
Any problem is this doesn't do what I want, help
frosty bloom
It shouldn't be more than that I think? I mean every character I use that isn't a biped got 10 of those for various equipment slots
Almost always empty
worn granite
its all a matter of what else you bring to the table
pallid compass
alright gotcha
heavy falcon
Some problems are "I don't know how to start this" / "what to look out for", didn't get much help in those cases either
frosty bloom
It's USkinnedMeshComponent I think
worn granite
@heavy falcon Sometimes I answer those
pallid compass
u know what annoys me
iv got a list of nicely named skel mesh stuff
and then there is just
that god dam one from the ACharacter
can u go away thx
frosty bloom
I hear you, been there several times haha
pallid compass
could always have a ptr to a ptr so u can use it ๐ in ur nice list
but it just get messy af
frosty bloom
There comes a time when messy is almost unavoidable.. Glares at nested DataAsset->structs
pallid compass
omg lmfao
I know what u mean
Time for a do construction script for like 12 skel meshs >.>
OH WAIT WHAT
ERIK
@frosty bloom erik
frosty bloom
Im back
pallid compass
i think u can stop
it using a skel mesh
the way it creates the mesh in AChar
CreateOptionalDefaultSubobject
frosty bloom
Is that new?
pallid compass
if class derives from it with
"do not create default sub object"
something something
wont be greated
๐ฎ
IS IT CHRISTMAS
/**
* Create optional component or subobject. Optional subobjects may not get created
* when a derived class specified DoNotCreateDefaultSubobject with the subobject's name.
* @param TReturnType class of return type, all overrides must be of this type
* @param SubobjectName name of the new component
* @param bTransient true if the component is being assigned to a transient property. This does not make the component itself transient, but does stop it from inheriting parent defaults
*/```I just checked it, this will come in Super handy ๐
frosty bloom
Can't believe I've missed it, going to make a lot of BP SubClasses look smooth ๐
pallid compass
dude that is gonna be super handy
worn granite
wut
pallid compass
just trying to figure out how u mark ur sub class with DoNotCreateDefaultSubobject
u can stop the AChar
having a skel mesh
pallid compass
U CAN FINALLY CLEAN IT
worn granite
Its a thing for OI.
pallid compass
OI?
worn granite
Ctor::Ctor(const FObjectInitializer& OI) : Super(OI.DoNotCreateDefaultSubobject(""))
worn granite
yea
worn granite
its not - you need a name
pallid compass
ah yeah i got that bit
wait, how does the .h go then?
i dont ever use : Super
constructor
worn granite
Ctor(const FObjectInitializer& OI);
pallid compass
ty
frosty bloom
Well, the TODO list just got longer, wish I saw that code a year back
pallid compass
U need a super thing i nthe constructor too dont u?
worn granite
not in the decl
worn granite
Nope.
worn granite
A real programmer could explain this properly.
pallid compass
dw you are real to me peter pan
pallid compass
does it not need to be virtual for the dec?
pallid compass
no im setting it to satan
pallid compass
yeah its actor one
oj
oh
AMob_PlayerHero::AMob_PlayerHero(const FObjectInitializer& OI) : Super(OI.DoNotCreateDefaultSubobject("CharacterMesh0"))
lets see if we win
worn granite
CharacterMesh
pallid compass
its called CharacterMesh0?
FName ACharacter::MeshComponentName(TEXT("CharacterMesh0"));
pallid compass
FName ACharacter::MeshComponentName(TEXT("CharacterMesh0"));
FName ACharacter::CharacterMovementComponentName(TEXT("CharMoveComp"));
FName ACharacter::CapsuleComponentName(TEXT("CollisionCylinder"));```rest are named dif
lmfao
worn granite
like, really, pass that field rather than a string literal.
plush yew
I want a dust particle to be everywhere on my level, would attaching the particle onto my character work? does it make any difrence between having every room have its own particle and 1 particle following the character?
pallid compass
Yes
u would attach it to char, in world space
so it does not move with ur char
i mean
the particle space settings
would be world space
wth my retarget drop down my skels is blank o_O
pallid compass
where about?
obsidian nimbus
retarget manager inside the skel asset
pallid compass
oh fuck me
i remember now
lmfao
oh lordy, mixamo stuff has no proper root bone D:
obsidian nimbus
you can still retarget em, but i dunno, dont use mixamo
pallid compass
was just grabbing some blocking stufff
no money for packs atm, and i dont wann pull out mo cap stuff
mint umbra
Anyone encountered this issue before? Using v. 4.19.2. Left the PC in sleepmode over the night, came back to these grids that don't go away unless I restart the engine. Happened a few times in the past. https://gyazo.com/df41d023cb940ee866f7547ae21c11e5
pallid compass
what gpu?
mint umbra
1080 TI
sage hinge
I have two mistakes ... how can I save my health and my weapons and items when I change the level ... and the second error my attack animation does not play ... a help
strong fossil
hey can someone help me with collisions its doing my head in i have been trying to figure it out for ages
i want to change that box to do a complex collision when i try to tell it to get my static mesh collision it wont work
plush yew
Is there anyway I can turn a landscape mat into a texture?
whole quarry
@plush yew the textures.. are in the material?
tawdry raptor
Does anyone know if our map Can our map go under the default level squres of a totally blank project
grim sinew
Sure why not
plush yew
Where can I go to ask questions about unreal?
tawdry raptor
Oh ok I guess as long as it has collusion they won't fall though the level
plush yew
@plush yew you can look at #more-resources and then see what specific topic you want, and then go to the channel you need and ask there if you like
heavy falcon
@plush yew EVERYWHERREEE
plush yew
@tawdry raptor hows it going, did you work on your level?
Unreal stopped downloading at around 81%
People said to change defaultengine.ini, but I canโt find any defaultengine.ini file anywhere.
Thereโs no Unreal Engine folder in Program Files, either.
@plush yew each time you install a new engine version, if you look at the install options in the launcher, you can specify where to install it.
Whereโs the default download directory?
that's what i have mine set to
it defaults to C:\Program Files\Epic Games\ or something close to that
How do I get it to continue downloading though?
Thereโs about 8 different defaultengine.ini files, and even if I do edit one, Iโm not sure if itโll do anything.
Iโd be willing to try editing it, but Iโm not sure which to edit.
This timeout thing is quite stupid.
the defaultengine.ini files are stored in either game project folders or engine folders
if you want an engine version, you just gotta install the engine version you need.
heavy falcon
How is the defaultengine.ini reponsible for the download
plush yew
not sure on the download error you had. that never happened to me
it's not responsible for the download, just answering what he asked haha
heavy falcon
This youtube video might help watch?v=DLzxrzFCyOs
plush yew
? that's a parody
heavy falcon
Did it help though?
plush yew
umm no
i'm usually pretty serious about things ๐
despite cynicism
@plush yew you may need to update your launcher then and try re-downloading the engine version you need
My unreal is actually fully downloaded, yet thereโs still 16% left to go. Whatโs up with that?
could be you are using an outdated launcher
No.
I downloaded it today.
ah you have the latest launcher?
Yep
I donโt understand this. ๐ค
could you post a pic of your launcher or what the download is stuck on?
plush yew
Nice try.
@plush yew Itโs taking up 90% of my cpu, so itโs taking a while to upload a picture. Feelsbadman
My computer isnโt slow, either.
it says 86%
if its moving up from 81, chances are it's working and your connection is limiting the speed of the download.
you have any kind of ISP throttling or anything? can you access other websites?
It also says 0.00B/s all of a sudden. Is it really going that slow now?
I can.
what i would do is restart it if i was in your situation, but you can do what you like.
im not too sure on that one either , sorry man. never happened to me like that before. every single install i ever did worked smoothly
I canโt restart. Iโz supposed to have this done an hour ago ๐
using the latest launcher version
Itโs moving fast again. That was weird.
that's good
could have been a serverside intermittency issue
Does anyone have any AI tips?
short dirge
Need help finding out what's in this function created by reztech studios (you find him on youtube). It's from his landscape auto material. Can anyone find a good guess as to what might be in this function?
short dirge
I couldn't make it more clear it's a screenshot from one of his videos
plush yew
Also double click on the function to see
short dirge
I can't I don't have it I'm tryna find out how to make it
plush yew
Ah
short dirge
And I can't buy it because i can't afford it cuz im a broke unemployed 16 year old ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
plush yew
Yeah itโs tough affording marketplace items
Also the refund policy is shit so if the thing you get is bad your keeping it
short dirge
Yea but his are cheap they're like 15 to 30 bucks. But that's still too much
plush yew
It spent $80 on one and I canโt get a refund
Same with a $50 one I got
You should think about his previous mat, itโs cheaper and better
short dirge
Well my main goal is to make a auto material
short dirge
And I have all the parts I just need his tessellation control function and I'm finished. Then I can put the textures I downloaded
plush yew
Iโve been talking to the dev for a while
mint sequoia
Does anyone have any idea what big companies like Activision or Ubisoft would pay in steam fees? Can't imagine they'd pay 30%
plush yew
Idk
short dirge
@plush yew oh rlly what about?
short dirge
No i mean like what have u and the dev been talking about
plush yew
One of my game landscapes uses the one of reztecs products this is the image
short dirge
Looks amazing
plush yew
How I can turn the material into textures so that I can sell the landscape without his material on it
Thatโs what Iโve been talking to him about
short dirge
Oh wow
plush yew
What?
plush yew
2-3 years
short dirge
Dang I've been learning it for about a month ๐ ๐
But id say I've learned alot for a month
I have a goal so i guess that's what's helping me learn. Rather than trying to learn multiple things
plush yew
Yes
short dirge
How the heck
plush yew
What
short dirge
How old are you
plush yew
Not open to disclosure on a public discord channel
short dirge
Oh sorry
plush yew
Itโs fine
short dirge
I guess I shouldn't be putting out my age either then lol
plush yew
@short dirge you still doing tutorials or are you makin a game yet?
short dirge
Uhm I'm still just learning
short dirge
I don't think I'll be making a full fledged game for a very long time
plush yew
4.20.1 i should say
short dirge
Is that the latest version?
plush yew
you know what i did? lol
short dirge
What
plush yew
my game engine was installed on my platter drive
and it was slow this whole time lol
when i was researching about the 970 evo the idea popped into my head to move it to SSD
and everything loads much faster now, it's so great
both my game folder and engine folder are now on the SSD, so i would say load times are dramatically improved. really crazy how much difference SSD loading makes. it was slow enough to actually affect my workflow lol. crazy stuff.
mint sequoia
If I benchmark mine people will cry
plush yew
lol it good?
my C is in raid, so it's 1000 or so. two 850 evos
970 evo is like 3000 roughly
mint sequoia
Raid would decrease my speeds due to the overhead
Just running singles
I'll run the benchmark
mint sequoia
Also you're running your 970 evo < 4x pcie I believe, those speeds are underwhelming
mint sequoia
Ohh
plush yew
yea
mint sequoia
I see now
plush yew
lol
it's $180 at best buy. so tempting. my engine speeds so much faster. argh
i honestly just wana wait
mint sequoia
Fast drives with high storage cost a lot but for me it feels pretty necessary
mint sequoia
AMD are a real competitor nowadays, especially when it comes to compiling
