ue4-general

[cerulean nova]

These violent delights have violent Ends 😄

[hollow crescent]

So, I've completed the Programming QuickStart and am ready to move on (no up-to-date books to follow from what I've seen on Amazon) What do you recommend I do next in the Programming Guide?

https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Programming

[cerulean nova]

depends on what u want to achive 😃

learning c++ for example is usefull for basic understanding of Programming priciples but UE4 has a Syntax for C++

[tall pendant]

I think "Learning C++ by Creating Games with UE4" by William Sherif is still worth a read or two. @hollow crescent

[hollow crescent]

@cerulean nova I'm more interested in learning how to use C++ with UE4 rather than Learning it. I've skipped through a lot of the book you've mentioned @tall pendant it's a bit outdated. Some others in here agreed last night

[cerulean nova]

when i started learning i got told to read "Programming Principles and Practice Using C++" 2. Edition from Bjarne Stroustrup

but its more C++ then UE4 Focused

[hollow crescent]

I have one of Bjarne's books

Yeah I'm looking for something to do that involves C++ and UE4. Not really doing it to learn C++

[tall pendant]

Sherif's book focuses on UE4's flavor of c++ and tbh it's still valuable. I dont know who in this channels spoke out against it.

[cerulean nova]

i also bought a Udemy course for UE4

"The Unreal Engine Developer Course - Learn C++ & Make Games"

[hollow crescent]

Not as much as learning UE4 anyway 😃

[tall pendant]

But it seems silly

[cerulean nova]

it has over 50 Hours and starts realy basic and there is also a community + the guys who made them awnser questions if u have some

[hollow crescent]

@cerulean nova how did you do with the blackhole project? 😃

@tall pendant Read some bad reviews on it too...about the later chapters

I'm not sure I want to do that to myself

[cerulean nova]

blackhole?

[hollow crescent]

The Udemy course, there's a test yourself project where you have to create a black hole that sucks the level up

I forgot I even bought that course until you mentioned it

[woven leaf]

Hey, quick in between question: Are the assets from Epic's learning tab projects free to use as well?

[hollow crescent]

got a link?

😃

[tall pendant]

Yes. Epic's Assets are free to use in projects.

[cerulean nova]

but as good as c++ is i do alot in BP at the moment because its faster and i have a better overview i know there is some kind of BP to c++ Convertation but anyway for Prototyping and Visuals BP is fine ^^

[hollow crescent]

Yeah I've been considering BP....

like, is there any real reason to use C++ if youre starting from scratch

[cerulean nova]

yes performance

[cloud cobalt]

There is no BP to C++ conversion, there is an experimental tool to generate non-human-editable C++ from BP when packaging your game releases. It's kind of a last ditch optimization tool.

[cerulean nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V707r4bkJOY

[faint cedar]

Stupid question - is there a simple way to disable an actor?

Like, not just hiding it

disabling it without deleting it

[cerulean nova]

destroying them?

[cloud cobalt]

Reasons for C++ :

• way better source control
• more reliable long-term
• performance for some parts, though most of your game code will perform the same in real conditions

[faint cedar]

No I mean

disable it in the editor

so that when I press play it ain't there

[cerulean nova]

i use BP alot because if u do super complex stuff where u go back and for + replication on a large scale its more easy to stay ontop of everything and check stuff fast

Hide in game?

[hollow crescent]

Wow. Interesting vid @cerulean nova

[cloud cobalt]

Keep in mind it's the worst case here. Blueprint performs the same most of the time. Doing heavy calculation etc, calling plenty of engine methods in loops - that's indeed not BP-friendly

[hollow crescent]

lol true

[cloud cobalt]

Don't write pathfinding algorithms in BP obviously

[cerulean nova]

yeah also who does that amount of loops

[cloud cobalt]

Well I do, but all of it is C++ 😛

[cerulean nova]

for what for example 🤔

@faint cedar "Actor Hidden In Game" just check it

[cloud cobalt]

Game that has a dozen factions trading resources with a real economy model using hundreds of vehicles

@faint cedar Actor hidden + tick disabled I guess

That's as disabled as it gets

Maybe check replication settings too

[faint cedar]

meeh

[cerulean nova]

did someone ever experiment with UE4 + Large Amount of Players ?

[faint cedar]

such a simple feature has no right being this convoluted

[cerulean nova]

atm its 64 max. but i was thinking about increasing it not that its needed but i like the idea of being able to have 128 - 256 people running around in a open world

[cloud cobalt]

@cerulean nova Not the right engine, and probably no one here, since few people here even have large amount of clients

Don't think many devs here ever had 256 online players

[hollow crescent]

so there aren't any MMOs created with UE4?

[cerulean nova]

Im about to make a Open World Western game that is based on the Idea that "Do what ever u want" with Quests and Storys but without any Story Line and alot of Roleplay elements and People can Progress by farming money and buy stuff and do what ever they want to do

my biggest Problem at this point will be Human Charakters and Animals but i will find a way or someone who is able to 😃

[cloud cobalt]

There aren't many MMOs, to be honest, let alone UE4 based. Most online games these day go for "MMO lite" with 15 players & seamless matchmaking, like Destiny, Sea of Thieves (UE4 based), etc. There are no indie MMOs because indies don't get enough players to be MMOs.

[remote roost]

hmmmmm

is it fine to be putting menu navigation in player character cpp

[cerulean nova]

Sea of Thieves could have been so good if there would be more people...

[remote roost]

or is that a bad practice

[cerulean nova]

i havent bought it because the Price to Content ratio is a joke

i just bought Xbox game pass for 1$ at E3 or when ever that was 😄

[cloud cobalt]

I love it myself, but that's probably not the place to discuss the game itself. Just noting the industry trend toward 3D online games with instances

[cerulean nova]

The look of the game and the water and everything is fine but the game lacks content and i dont like the "stun" from meele combat...

[remote roost]

ARK can have like 100 players in a server

guess you could consider it an mmo

[cerulean nova]

nobody is willing to canonfight and if so they just circle all the time and try to come onto your boat instead of a canon fight ^^

I remember playing ark on release 😂 i had like 10-20 fps 😄

[remote roost]

it's better now

I think it ran really poorly because they did everything in BP or something

[cerulean nova]

i would guess it was to many drawcalls

because it seemed to be a GPU problem not CPU and its still realy GPU heavy

the amount of Clutter for example

and everything had interaction for picking stuff up and all that

but UE4 is such a nice Engine its crazy

even tho i would love to take a look into Frostbite or Snowflake (not public)

Snowflake was for Division and Frostbite for Battlefield ^^

[remote roost]

i just wish the lighting system in UE4 was more easily tweakable

every game looks the damn same

lol

UDK had the same problem

[frank escarp]

its the fault of the devs

modifying the lighting formulas or tweaking things is nowhere near as hard

i even implemented a native toon rendering light model. And a "low end" shading model that cuts out a bunch of features so its faster

[remote roost]

i'll ask again, is putting menu navigation functionality inside of the character class fine or should I make another CPP class

[cerulean nova]

Sea of Thives also looks diffrent to other UE4 games ^^ its just when people place stuff and doesnt change much and do shooter then yes shooter will most likely look the same

Depends Ryan

[tall pendant]

@cerulean nova You mean SnowDrop btw 😛

[cerulean nova]

possible 😃

something related to cold 😄

[cursive dirge]

@remote roost I think main reason why people assume Ark works better now is because it was forever in early access and people just happened to update their computer along the years

[hollow crescent]

Assetto Corsa Competizione looks pretty good

[cursive dirge]

at least I never saw any positive progress on their perf upgrades

[hollow crescent]

I would have thought it was gran turismo

[cursive dirge]

basically they just added more things, then improved the perf

and then it would still be worse than what they had to begin with

@hollow crescent we haven't really seen much so far tho

I'm mainly curious how they'll deal with TAA

[hollow crescent]

https://youtu.be/XYIYpTOcGZU

[cursive dirge]

oh

thanks

[hollow crescent]

😃

[cerulean nova]

yeah because compare the power of a GTX 1080 ti vs few years ago its crazy. I saw people using Multiple GPUs without SLI bridge because the motherboard supported it somehow and loaded Physix workload into the 2. GPU is that "Standard" ?

[cursive dirge]

ark doesn't use gpu physics

[cerulean nova]

yeah i mean more in genereal

thats why i made a "."

[remote roost]

actually, maybe I should just handle menu navigation in blueprint...

🤔

[cerulean nova]

sure

[cursive dirge]

@hollow crescent that doesn't look too impressive tho, you can't even see the track textures as it's all blurry mess

sure the car rendering looks good

but that's doable in any engine out there

[crude jasper]

Hi

Can someone help me ?

[cerulean nova]

depends on your question

[remote roost]

what's up

[crude jasper]

I have 2 questions 😃

[woven leaf]

wE cAn tRy

[crude jasper]

So first and i think easier? is

[cerulean nova]

1$ per Question 🙃 😛

[crude jasper]

So im making a crouch system

[remote roost]

i'll answer for 0.50

[crude jasper]

:-:

[remote roost]

joking

go on

lol

[crude jasper]

XD

[cerulean nova]

Yeah go ahead a Crouch System... we need more info 😃

[regal mulch]

I take 70% of each of you for having to moderate your stuff

[crude jasper]

Ok so im making a crouch system right and it works good i press ctrl and it crouches playing animations

[cerulean nova]

@regal mulch who are u ? Google? 😄

[crude jasper]

Cause im using the Crouch and Un Crouch

But i wanna change the hitbox

[crude jasper]

Cause its smaller then my mesh

how can i do it ?

[cursive dirge]

there are also two different shadow artifacts on the railings

[remote roost]

smaller than your mesh only when crouching?

[crude jasper]

ye

Cause its the Crouch and Un Crouch that changes that

lemme open the project and ill show ya

anyone familiar with this ?

[remote roost]

i've only used those functions one or two times but hitboxes are tied to capsule component so you'd have to change that

[crude jasper]

I would figure some ppl would knew since i think its a common problem but on youtube everyone just shows how to crouch not changing hitbox

I Tried but it works kinda weird @remote roost

[cerulean nova]

u mean smaller or lower?

[crude jasper]

Lower

lemme just make it pretty one sec

[whole quarry]

so when you release the crouch key, nothing happens?

[cerulean nova]

the Hitbox is parented by the mesh isnt it?

[hollow crescent]

@cursive dirge I guess you're right, but it sure as heck looks better than the current sim I play.

PCars2 is a great sim, but it just looks like sand vibrating

[cursive dirge]

it does look better than the vanilla Assetto Corsa alright

really?

I think PCars 2 look better than what I've seen from that new Asseto

[crude jasper]

No it works perfectly

[hollow crescent]

yes. I don't understand why people think it looks better than AC. It hurts my eyes so much

[crude jasper]

(sry for bad quality XD

[remote roost]

paint

dropped

[crude jasper]

can you see well ?

[remote roost]

it's not changing because just setting an animation isn't going to make your collision smaller

[hollow crescent]

I don't get it. AC looks like polygons in my eyes. just looking at it feels like sand

[crude jasper]

Basically In the Green box, that defines the size of the hitbox

But its LOWER than my mesh

[cerulean nova]

yeah there is something in UE4 for "Capsule half hight" when crouching

[whole quarry]

no, it doesnt

[crude jasper]

I searched that but still

it acted kinda buggy

what i did was

Create a capsule

see the dimension of the one that comes with the game (capsule component)

then i set the size of the capsule i wanted

Then i created the command to set the sizes

of capsules when i pressed and released

Dint work

It Clipped trough the ground

rly buggy

and when i lowered its size

i also lowered its position

Did not work either

I settled with what i have but if someone knows how i can fix this, i would be pleased 😃

[cerulean nova]

isnt there a crouching system by Epic already within the Project

[crude jasper]

nop

But in the char movement you can activate Crouch

[crude jasper]

and that allows u to use Crouch and Un Crouch

ye

hmm never noticed the crouching speed or eye height

but still

dont think that as anything to do with the size of capsule

Wait

holy

i think

[crude jasper]

YOu aRe Right

no not that

if you change that

it doesnt work

but

O-o

[cerulean nova]

u made your own boolean for crouching instead of using the Charakter ones....

[crude jasper]

what boolean ?

[cerulean nova]

crouch 1

[crude jasper]

ah ye i think i did

but

[cerulean nova]

instead of building with the already existing one

[crude jasper]

i dont think it rly makes a difference

[cerulean nova]

it does because there is also a Crouching Function already

[crude jasper]

?

I cant find it in the BP

[cerulean nova]

u can even then check for it for example "Is Crouching"

[crude jasper]

In tutorials etc i found they use the Crouch Un Crouch

Ye

[cerulean nova]

There are also people telling other people that earth is flat 😄

[crude jasper]

Well but i found the solution

xD

other than that

i found the solution

Thanks to you xD

[cerulean nova]

as long as it works for you thats great 😃

[crude jasper]

On top right 😄

look

Thanks alot 😂

I still have another problem tough... this one is harder i think´

[cerulean nova]

u sure about that 😃

[crude jasper]

kinda XD

Okay here it goes

So

i was trying to make a System

When I press Alt (ik i gotta change the key)

Its supposed to go to a Free camera State

in wich i can look around with out rotating with the body

Basically deactivating Controler rotation Yaw

If you know the game Pubg its something like that

[cerulean nova]

dont get me started on that because the Rotation is World bound not Charakter bound so 360 will aways be the same direction no matter what your charakter is looking at i was trying something simular like pressing alt in first person and be able to look 90° left and right but its depending on the actual posision that is tied to world rotation or something

[crude jasper]

Ye thats i want to do

Ye ik 😄

thats what im doing in my system

[cerulean nova]

i had a idea of Rotation - Rotation to make it 0 and go from there

[crude jasper]

It sets the position in wich you are when you press it

and detects the one you have At Event tick (its not there)

Then it Breaks the values in Floats

The Rotation you are at = Value

The Min and Max are the values you get when you press Alt

Supposedly it works

But when it Breaks the Value From Rotation2

It doesnt show the Value

IT shows a tiny random number

Ill show you

well do you want to go to a private call ? i can Share my screen

if youre okay with that 😄

[cerulean nova]

im on my own project atm 😛

[crude jasper]

ah kay XD

[cerulean nova]

u come from a Arma background?

[plush yew]

???

[crude jasper]

Ill send prints then

[plush yew]

Is there any way to built light faster

???

[crude jasper]

dunno

i started unreal like a week ago still pretty new to this

[plush yew]

same

[cerulean nova]

there is multiple ways for example multiple computers for example

[plush yew]

i also started a week ago

[cerulean nova]

thats what swarm agent if for

is *

[remote roost]

lower lightmap resolution

set swarm agent to standalone (I believe it's called this)

set swarm agents cpu priority to high

etc

[cerulean nova]

but i also had a "bug" a few months ago where it simply took forever now its back to fast for no reason ^^

[crude jasper]

Okay can i continue?

[plush yew]

Is this too high???

[cloud cobalt]

@plush yew At this point in time there aren't many solutions. GPU Lightmass exists as a prototype - much faster and better - but it's only a prototype for now. Might be in the engine for real with 4.22 or something

[remote roost]

that's not lightmap resolution

lmao

[cerulean nova]

dudawar u need to 0 out the orentation of the charakter and then go from there^^^

[cloud cobalt]

@plush yew If your grass is set to static, that does explodes the lighting time

[crude jasper]

what do you mean ?

[plush yew]

@cloud cobalt how do i fix this

???

[cloud cobalt]

Fix what ?

[remote roost]

set your grass to movable

or disable shadows on it

[plush yew]

kkk

let me try

[remote roost]

kkk

🤔

[crude jasper]

Guys

[remote roost]

what's up

[crude jasper]

in what i made

[remote roost]

what about it

[crude jasper]

i think it works

but you see in rotation 2 ?

the value it gives when i use the break rotation node

it gives a random value or something like that

for example it gave 0

why if the rotation 2 variable has other values ?

[remote roost]

idk I don't understand blueprint that much compared to C++

lol

usually it's the opposite for people

[crude jasper]

ahh :p

ye blueprint is pretty simple

[remote roost]

i only use bp for dead simple things that are harder to do in cpp

[crude jasper]

whats that ???

[cerulean nova]

the base idea of charakter rotation

[crude jasper]

ye but

how do i get the values ?

[cerulean nova]

thats the problem because if u -45 or + 45 its always depending on the actual rotation

[crude jasper]

Ye

then you need the worl

World

[cerulean nova]

and if its 360 at this point and u add 45 it will be 45

[crude jasper]

Ye but my system works that out

i just need it to show the value of rotation

[cerulean nova]

GetActorRotation

(written together)

[crude jasper]

isnt that the same thing as Get World Rotation

And Follow camera attached as Target

Actor rotation probably will return the rotation of the mesh, wouldnt work

or Get Control Rotation

thats what ive been using

But that isnt the problem

the problem is the break rotator

When Rotation has for example a value like Pitch 0,0005 and Yaw 33,bla bla bla In the Break rotator it shows 0 in each value

i think it makes no sense

because

Cause this SET in this Picture

works fine

The only difference between the Two of this variables

is the fact that one is updated each Tick and the other is only when i Press Alt

[cerulean nova]

then let it update in event tick ?

[crude jasper]

?

[cerulean nova]

make a float with 0

and let the it give out actual rotation into the new float

and use the float as readout

[crude jasper]

But in rotation theres 2 values

3 values

and i dont think its possible to split them with out the break

[cerulean nova]

just check for all 3 of them

[crude jasper]

but how do i get one each out of the rotator ?

ik what you mean but

idk how to do i t

i tried to search for Z or Yaw

Yaw doesnt have anything But Z shows this

Delta Rotator

Delta Rotator

but i dont understand it..

[cerulean nova]

"get Yaw Input"

add*

not get

[crude jasper]

??

[plush yew]

It worked

[crude jasper]

hmm

[plush yew]

reducing the light res to 4

[crude jasper]

you mean this ?

[cerulean nova]

wait...

[crude jasper]

kay

[plush yew]

Casting shadows in foliage don't any noticeable difference

[crude jasper]

woah man looking cool 😄

[plush yew]

thanks

btw these assets are from the paragon

[cerulean nova]

something in that direction

[plush yew]

and open world demo collection

[crude jasper]

hmm

so add the

[cerulean nova]

the break rot and make rot

[crude jasper]

Make orot

Ye

it kinda makes sense >:)

wait

no it wouldnt work

[plush yew]

@cerulean nova @crude jasper @remote roost Thanks for helping me out

[crude jasper]

i dint do anything XD

Good luck with your game 😃

@cerulean nova

i need a float value

[cerulean nova]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/blueprint-visual-scripting/97071-limit-first-person-camera-angle

[cerulean nova]

Mhousse1247 awnser

[crude jasper]

?

[elfin jacinth]

Hey everyone!

How are we doing today?

[crude jasper]

Woah

Hi 😄

im doing gud

Thx 😄

[elfin jacinth]

Glad to hear it! 😃

[cerulean nova]

just put a branch in there to check if they are in "freelook" for example

with a bool

@elfin jacinth One day after another

@crude jasper https://forums.unrealengine.com/filedata/fetch?id=1116134&d=1475401866

[crude jasper]

Ye i see

[elfin jacinth]

Keep on swimming!

[crude jasper]

with that i can test

[cerulean nova]

Just with a branch to check for if "alt" for example is pressed as condition

with a simple boolean

[crude jasper]

ye 😄

thx so much

[cerulean nova]

works?

[crude jasper]

hmm

wait

i dont think so

cause

i cant test it

theres no float for the Current pitch

[cerulean nova]

u have to also do it for the other directions like pitch yaw roll

[crude jasper]

ah ye lets ssee XD

[cerulean nova]

it takes the current from the camera manager it seems

not 100% sure

[crude jasper]

hmm

wait

no i dont think it works

well

first i tried to set yaw and i dont understand how it works

but it just defines wich direction your camera is

hmm...

the pitch is working

wait

i think

Omg its working D:::

Thx So much XDD

[elfin jacinth]

https://unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/epic-announces-unreal-engine-marketplace-88-12-revenue-share

Ya'll

[cloud cobalt]

@elfin jacinth this is amazing

[crude jasper]

?

what is that

so

Creators

will receive more ?

jesus

+20%

[cloud cobalt]

By the way Tim, are there plans to let UE4 developers ship their games on the Epic launcher too ? I know some already do, but I wonder about the long term plans at Epic. Would love to release our game there too.

[crude jasper]

You guys have a game ?

[cloud cobalt]

Yeah we do 😃 Plenty of people here have a game, eheh

[crude jasper]

Wow 😄

so cool

[cerulean nova]

Sea of thives changed the UE4 Logo on Startup is it Possible for us small devs to ? i know that with the right license u can disable it complete but just changin it would also be a cool thing 😃

[whole quarry]

I never had a UE4 logo at game launch

afaik the ue4 logo you will have to add yourself

[cerulean nova]

its depending on license

[whole quarry]

no?

where did you get that idea from?

[elfin jacinth]

As long as it conforms with the guidelines you're welcome to customize

[whole quarry]

Thats conform the usual TM guidelines ?

[elfin jacinth]

To our style guidelines, specifically.

IE: The logo must be standalone

[cerulean nova]

on start of the game

[whole quarry]

@cerulean nova There is no such thing as 'mandatory logo display'

by default, there is none

[cerulean nova]

it depends on your license

[whole quarry]

no.... it doesn't

where did you get that from @cerulean nova

[plush yew]

are you talking about 'your splace screen here' on mobile? or the ue4 windows icon?

that's all changed in project settings

[whole quarry]

that ODB loading screen?

there is indeed a default UE4 splash screen

easy changable in project settings -> android

[cerulean nova]

No maybe thats new but back then UE4 hat Subscribtions and if u was a Sub u had to use the logo and as a Bigger stuido with a more expensive license u did not have to use the logo or something like that

[whole quarry]

thats more than 2 years ago..

[cerulean nova]

i thought they sticked with Free== logo for Advertising the Engine

[whole quarry]

UE4 isnt free tho

its 5% royalty after the first 3k

[cerulean nova]

yeah its royalty based

3k back when i checked it was 100.000 or was that sales 🤔

[crude jasper]

Hey @cerulean nova

[cerulean nova]

yo?

[crude jasper]

Remember my problem

?

[austere hinge]

Anybody using unreal with vulkan support

[cerulean nova]

both yes @crude jasper

[crude jasper]

well..

[whole quarry]

@plush yew was playing with Vulkan the other day, @austere hinge

[crude jasper]

The solution you found

The Yaw

Is not relative to the mesh

xD

Basically when i press it

only works in one direction

[cerulean nova]

what one direction

you have to set it for pitch then min and max pitch and by Yaw u use min and max yaw and for roll u use min and max roll

[crude jasper]

ye

[cerulean nova]

dont use min yaw on pitch or roll

[crude jasper]

?

just watch

the values

The values

arent relative to the position of the camera

its almost like theyre relative to the worl

world

when i press

press it facing forward

or the way i spawn in the world

It works yeah

but if i turn around

and do it

it will still face the direction when i was facing forward

let me try to show you

[austere hinge]

@whole quarrytq

[crude jasper]

Working

The mesh direction is as you spawn in the world

now

Opposite

[austere hinge]

Anybody here heard about HOUNDIFY?

[crude jasper]

it cant turn "forward" (mesh direction of forward) but does as the initial

ik its kinda hard to understand

[crude jasper]

no thats not the problem

that lower wire is when i deactivate it

the problem is when its active

and actually, somethings off when it isnt working

i connected it right

but

the Yaw Min and Max

its weird

ive been playing around with the values

and

wait

ye makes no sense

[cerulean nova]

they dont even have a target

[crude jasper]

ye but i already changed that

Thats how it is

[cerulean nova]

but i told you at the beginning u have to 0 it out somehow wich is a pain in the ass

[crude jasper]

the problem still is on

ahh.

kay but other than that

When i deactivate it

I cant put yaw back to the default value

i tried yaw min -180 and yaw max 180

doesnt work

Yaw min 0 Yaw max 360

nop

[cerulean nova]

that means no limitation

wichs is wrong

u want 0 max

[crude jasper]

oh

and min ?

[cerulean nova]

0

[crude jasper]

nop doent work

yaw min 0 and yaw max 0 doesnt work

[cerulean nova]

because on deactivation u enable that your pitch yaw roll is always 0 because u controll your movement with mouse input right?=

[crude jasper]

Just blocks Yaw

[cerulean nova]

u have to also check the use pawn controll shit

[crude jasper]

ye

ik and it is

[cerulean nova]

wait then it is 360

@_@

[crude jasper]

?

[cerulean nova]

but its hella complicated XD

[crude jasper]

rip xD

[cerulean nova]

i have to see and fiddle around it myself just with images i cant see how it should work

[crude jasper]

ye...

rly weird

jeeez why did i get myself into this XD

[cerulean nova]

i for my projects ditched the idea of free look

[crude jasper]

ye XD

thats what i was thinking too

i've tried so many things

like using a box collision attached to the head

and if it hits the shoulders

blocks

but... eh...

rips

[cerulean nova]

could lead to bugs when jumping and the arms raise for example

[crude jasper]

tru

[whole quarry]

there are no bugs, only happy undocumented features

[crude jasper]

;-;

so sad

[cerulean nova]

you could make multiple cameras and switch between them but i go with 3. Person = free look because i dont have to worry looking into my own mesh in thirdperson and in FirstPerson its simply where ever u look u go ^^

[crude jasper]

ye..

just gonna forget it :-:

thx for the help 😃

but...

Still

whats troubling me more

is when i deactivate it

i cant bring it to default

you know why ?

its making no sense

this crap makes no sense xD

i tried min yaw -180 and max yaw 90

does like

[astral marsh]

hello guys

[crude jasper]

270 degrees

[cerulean nova]

thats why i told u because the orentation is always world based

kinda

[crude jasper]

yes

[astral marsh]

i made a crowbar breaking plank system

but the plank isnt breaking

[crude jasper]

but thats not the think

the thing

[astral marsh]

please check the blueprints which i'll send now

[crude jasper]

I wanna let it 360

[cerulean nova]

is the mesh even checked as breakable ?

[astral marsh]

this is inside

the crowbar

the plank blueprints

[abstract marsh]

Hey all

[astral marsh]

it is ticked

[cerulean nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyuvmZvsLdU

[astral marsh]

i followed trhat long ago

still it doesnt

netpeggle

i can show you through screenshare

[cerulean nova]

i go and focus back on my project need to make a whole Logic for Charakter movement states and stuff like that + stamina and other stats 😃

[crude jasper]

good luck 😄

[cerulean nova]

thanks

[crude jasper]

Does anyone know how to use the animation tab correctly ?

i need to learn how to animate XD

[remote roost]

What animation tab

[next ivy]

First thing I'd do is go through UE's set of tutorials for setting up a third person game

from scratch

This series - great tutorial author https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRO82u1phyw

[remote roost]

And learn C++ if you're serious about your project

Lel

[next ivy]

You don't need C++

[grim ore]

Everyone should learn C++. You have nothing better to do for a decade anyways!

[remote roost]

If you want better performance/an actual job you do

[grim ore]

yeah you need to know C++ for an actual job, no one hires artists!

[remote roost]

Doesn't take a decade to learn enough C++ to do stuff in unreal lmao

[tall pendant]

erm

[remote roost]

If you want a job in programming

[next ivy]

He didn't say he did

[remote roost]

Never said he did

[next ivy]

If you're working on an independent project you can use blueprints for most things and learn C++ as needed

Blueprints are getting more and more efficient

[remote roost]

But it's needed if you are serious about game programming

Blueprints can get hard to manage quick

[grim ore]

yeah if you want to be serious about game programming learn C++!

[crude jasper]

okay

[grim ore]

us silly people can stick with blueprints because we are not serious.

[crude jasper]

xD

[cloud cobalt]

C++ is not about performance.

[cloud cobalt]

It's about source control & long-term reliability

[crude jasper]

this is the animation tab

[grim ore]

C++ is about making sure you know what a reference and a pointer is because if you don't your gonna have a bad time.

[crude jasper]

i wanna edit the animations that come with the starter content XD

[remote roost]

I said if someone's serious about game programming they should learn C++, unless you'd consider people who use BP serious programmers

[next ivy]

If you don't need to do anything outside of the bounds of the engine then c++ is mostly about performance optimization

[remote roost]

Nothing wrong with BP

[cloud cobalt]

@remote roost Plenty of serious programmers use BP.

[fierce tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flEtQBPtBTc

[remote roost]

Ye, it's more efficient for some things

[tall pendant]

BP's are used in AAA games. But if you want to be an game programmer go with c/c++.

[next ivy]

I prefer to use BP's whenever I can because they're extremely easy to go back to and see how things work

[tall pendant]

BP's are Ue4 only.

[remote roost]

I have a hard time reading Blueprints

As opposed to CPP

[next ivy]

I'm aware for most thing BPs and C++ would be relatively equivalent

[grim ore]

Whooo... Race War in UE4Chat. BP vs C++, go!

[cloud cobalt]

@next ivy C++ won't bring better performance automatically. It will however bring much ease on long-term development - easier to track changes across multiple years, large teams, different engines etc.

[remote roost]

When they get more complicated

[crude jasper]

xD

[next ivy]

Lol Mathew

Its not like console or phone wars though because you should probably do both

(whereas you should use android and pc exclusively)

[cloud cobalt]

You definitely should do both 😃

[grim ore]

@crude jasper you should be able to re keyframe the animations if you need. beyond that https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/animation/54987-is-it-possible-to-edit-the-existing-third-person-animations-that-come-with-unreal-engine-4

[tall pendant]

Also dont count on getting an Job at a Studio which actually is using UE4. Knowing C++ can get you a job anywhere while BP is limited to UE4.

[next ivy]

And actually @remote roost This is the tutorial I used a long time ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=GWbd0Wowwnk

[crude jasper]

pretty thx 😃

[next ivy]

I don't know why UE has two of the same kind of tutorial around the same time

not sure which one is newer

[grim ore]

yeah learning BP is stupid because it has no fundamental programming cadences. Nothing in Blueprints is in any way related to actual programming core knowledge.

[cloud cobalt]

wat

[next ivy]

Um its not related to syntax

Its the same logic

[tall pendant]

huh. BP is still OOP in a form.

[cloud cobalt]

BP is very much exactly the same thing as C++ on a logical level, it's just graphs instead of code (and some advanced concepts hidden)

[next ivy]

I've often wondered why video games are the only ones tacking visual scripting

I feel like you could make a lot of money if you made a visual scripting language for ME Controls systems

[cloud cobalt]

They're not

[next ivy]

I haven't seen any outside of game engines

most people use raw C++ in engineering

[cloud cobalt]

Industrial automation has boatloads of that

Stuff like factory automation

[grim ore]

oh man visual scripting and node systems are all over the real world

[next ivy]

I mean I see HMIs

But they're more specific

More like GUIs

[grim ore]

and come on guys I was being super sarcastic in response to using BP/Learning BP being useless for real programmers or getting a real job.

[remote roost]

Never said it's useless but oke

Lol

[next ivy]

The main reason I use UE over Cry is that it has a more developed blueprint system

[cloud cobalt]

@next ivy Seriously though, I've used graph scripting just like UE does for industrial controls

Like very much similar

[next ivy]

Interesting - I havent seen any of that

[cloud cobalt]

And that was a decade ago

[next ivy]

I do smaller robotics

[grim ore]

the VSS system in Lumberyard is finally getting somewhere but it's still a long way off to be parity of BP. They are not focusing on making it feature complete for users, just for specific client requests 😦

[next ivy]

I was thinking of visual scripting with regard to all the drone hype and such

[cloud cobalt]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alexander_Gomez-A/publication/275956938/figure/fig5/AS:294510471991299@1447228176164/Main-parts-of-the-graphical-programming-A-control-mode-automatic-or-manual-B-the.png

^ actual language I've used

[grim ore]

There are quite a bit of new "toys" out there using VSS for the systems. Smaller robots and such that teach programming using scratch like systems.

[next ivy]

Isnt that a measurements program?

I think I've used that before lol

Though I want to say a newer version or perhaps a similar program

[cloud cobalt]

It's an automation tool to plug between sensors and motors in a factory, stuff like you'd use to build an assembly line

It's been around for much longer than UE4 (or UE3)

[next ivy]

Yea we used something similar back when I was in college for measurements and instrumentation

[crude jasper]

Regarding to the animation thing, anyone knows a way to see where keys are ?

[grim ore]

man I want to say there was an older mac system I used that was using a node based system that I used to use. like a notepad coding system.. damnit off to google

[next ivy]

But I took a robotics class where we designed a robot basically coding from the microprocessor and we did it in raw C++. Though now that I think about it the reason we didnt use a visual scripting language was probably because we needed to be really low level to get it to work

If you want to know about animations, do the tutorial I linked from start to finish first. It can be a drag but if you don't know how the startup project works then you won't be able to expand it

[grim ore]

@crude jasper https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-US/Engine/Animation/AnimHowTo/LayerEditing ?

[crude jasper]

thx 😃

[grim ore]

It's been years since I touched animations so it looks like you use animation layers to create new animations from existing ones

[hoary charm]

if I have a large interior, should I use 1 reflection capture with a large radius or place multiples?

[upper heart]

Multiple non-overlapping

They are culled, so that is the route I would go

[sudden agate]

multiple ones overlapping

Actually both. You should place one that covers your whole interior and smaller ones where reflections are important

from the UE Docs:

[wispy plume]

i have a basic question, im trying to make a sort of traditional RPG game. Can i do my battles right there on the world map? or do i have to do a new level for battles and then transition back to the world map?

can i transition the controls and get my characters into battle formation to wait their turn once battle commences and then have them switch back to exploration once enemies are defeated?

[grim ore]

You can do whatever you want if you can program it

the player controller can be swapped out if you want to do something like that or you can just have a toggle between overworld and in combat controls in the same controller

[polar hawk]

/giphy woah

Ahh mobile

[wispy plume]

hmmm ok interesting, so i should look into control toggles and defining overworld and in combat

@grim ore

[sudden agate]

@wispy plume I would prefer to make a separate GameMode and Map for the Battles

[wispy plume]

@sudden agate what are some of the advantages of doing that, if you dont mind me asking

[grim ore]

well it would just be a case of a boolean that would be checked after the input and then it would do X based on if the boolean is true or false. With that said making separate everything might make it easier in the long run.

[sudden agate]

@wispy plume separate logic, easier to maintain mo

imo

[hoary charm]

@upper heart @sudden agate Thanks guys!

[upper heart]

np 👍

[wispy plume]

@grim ore @sudden agate ok thanks for the ideas

[dim arch]

what is the performance cost of BP vs Cpp code?

I heard BP is 7-11x slower than native cpp, if you nativize your blueprints vs creating the same functionality in vs, what is the performance difference like

[cloud cobalt]

From identical to ~10x slower

Depending on the code

[grim ore]

there is literally no answer because ^^ depends on the code

[dim arch]

so if you coded two almost identical functions

[grim ore]

again depends on the code

[dim arch]

one made via BP nodes and the other written in cpp

[grim ore]

math heavy code, C++ advantage.

changing a color in UMG, no advantage?

looping thru a billion cubes, who knows. test it!

[dim arch]

thats true for nativised BP code too?

[grim ore]

true for all code in all languages. got to test it.

[dark depot]

^like he is saying it depends on code. for instance i cant code so everything i do in blueprints in faster then my C++ 😄

[cloud cobalt]

Nativized is slightly faster than BP, slightly slower than C++

Depends on the code too

[dark depot]

implementation matters

[grim ore]

different code in different situations perform...... differently.

[dim arch]

of course

[polar hawk]

Let me stop all yall right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flEtQBPtBTc

[grim ore]

that will be the 2nd time that video was linked in the last hour heh

[dim arch]

but how large is the divergence between the perofrmance relative to the difference

[polar hawk]

Don't worry about it

[grim ore]

it depends on the code....

[polar hawk]

If you want to know, use the profiler

[dark depot]

darn i was just getting my bookmark of that allar hahah

[dim arch]

if I wanted to stream a very large dataset into an UE4 shader

would Ineed an intemediary application between the data and the engine

to create a video

which the GPU could use

[polar hawk]

if using engine source

you wouldn't need another program

[dim arch]

ok

thanks for the video

U_U

I mean that guys question is pretty valid, if you want to profile the performance you have to create the code twice

[cloud cobalt]

My take is : don't use C++ because you think it will be faster.

Use it for other reasons, or when you know it will be faster and needs to

[dim arch]

well Iam mostly making BP game systems which coders to see as psuedocode and implement something similar when we need to refine performance

[cloud cobalt]

I'm mostly doing C++ here, if only because I'm very wary of having months / years of work stored in binary assets that I can't easily track changes for over long periods

[sudden agate]

Can I use Visual Studio Code with UE?

[dim arch]

to edit code yes, to build, no.

[grim ore]

You've got to keep in mind even after all the discussion you still could fuck it up and do a shitty job in c++ and it would be slower than the BP equivalent which then throws the entire thing out of wack. It's why there is no easy answer and the answer is the same for any performance questions; You've got to test your implementations for your specific test case for your specific answer

[cloud cobalt]

^

[polar hawk]

!video

[sudden agate]

but it's fact that C++ is faster in regards of identical "code"

no one will write C++ Garbage and "write" clean BP code

[polar hawk]

ahah

ahaaaaaaah

yes they will

Imagine any shitty situation

I guarantee its possible

[grim ore]

You can't say no one when it comes to people, like ever.

I can guarantee you I can write shitty c++ code compared to cleaned BP code

[oblique trench]

I think on 4.20 Python scripting is a feature.

So Python vs BP?

[polar hawk]

editor scripting

not gameplay

[grim ore]

Well it would be python vs blutility then lol

Whoo another vs question

[oblique trench]

Oh you are right @polar hawk

[cerulean nova]

what was the node that could play a curve float for example

that counts for example

was "Timeline" 😃

[safe rose]

@polar hawk https://venturebeat.com/2018/07/12/fortnite-creator-epic-gives-unreal-asset-creators-a-raise-and-backpay/

You famous

[gleaming lotus]

Getting this horrible lag/freezing whenever I release my mouse after painting/sculpting landscape. My landscape is quite large and this has only started occurring after I added in materials. Is there any way to stop this lag / revert back to greyboxing without losing my current terrain painting?

[cerulean nova]

better hardware 😃

u have weight painting on your materials and everytime u change something it needs to re-calculate it if its based on slope for example

thats quiet a heavy task

better sculpt ur terrain without anything and when ur happy put materials on later

[gleaming lotus]

Yeah I figured as much

new CPU comes in a couple weeks, hopefully that'll stop me bottlenecking

[cerulean nova]

i could also need some new hardware 😂

but im super broke 😄

[spring prawn]

Hey Guys i dont want to be a nuisciance here

but i have a big bsp file in unreal engine 4 that has 319!!! materials

I have to go to every material and check 2 Sided then apply

is there a way to like do it one time instead of 319? I mean there has to be a way? no??

[grim sinew]

That's insane, have you considered just not using BSP

It's a blockout tool, you're not meant to make final assets with it

[spring prawn]

I really want to see how it looks in unreal engine, its an old map from a game

I understand, its just that so many people have imported old games of theirs into the unreal engine and remade, or even used them to trace it really

I wanted to do the same

[tall pendant]

as long as its your own map 😄

[spring prawn]

oh im not releasing this or commercilizing it in any way shape or form

its just a proof of concept, god no i never want any legal trouble

[stable orbit]

Does anyone know what this folder is used for since it takes up about 20Gb ??

C:\Users\<user name>\AppData\Local\UnrealEngine

[grim ore]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Engine/Basics/DerivedDataCache

[stable orbit]

Thank you

[spring prawn]

well, if anyone is ever interested

https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/general-discussion/40872-change-multiple-textures-properties-all-at-once-is-it-possible

[analog fog]

is there like a hotkey/combo to easily preview nodes in the material editor?

[waxen finch]

if I make a free mobile game with unreal engine and use in-game purchases do I still need to pay EPIC 5%?

[cerulean nova]

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/eula

5. Royalty

You agree to pay Epic a royalty equal to 5% of all worldwide gross revenue actually attributable to each Product, regardless of whether that revenue is received by you or any other person or legal entity, as follows:

a. Gross revenue resulting from any and all sales of a Product to end users through any and all media, including but not limited to digital and retail;
b. Gross revenue resulting from any and all in-app purchases, downloadable content, microtransactions, subscriptions, sale, transfer, or exchange of content created by end users for use with a Product, or redemption of virtual currency, either within a Product or made externally but which directly affect the operation of the Product;
c. Gross revenue from any Kickstarter or other crowdfunding campaign which is directly associated with Product access or in-Product benefit (e.g., in a multi-tiered campaign, if an amount is established in an early tier solely for Product access, your royalty obligation will apply to that amount for each backer with the same access, but not on additional amounts in higher tiers based on ancillary benefits);
d. Your revenue from in-app advertising and affiliate programs;
e. Revenue from advance payments for a Product (from a publisher or otherwise); and
f. Revenue in any other form actually attributable to a Product (unless excluded below).```

if u sell anything ingame u also have to sare money from that

share*

[waxen finch]

and what about a studio that contains only 1 developer

[cerulean nova]

thats for 1 Dev. people

if u have a bigger studio u can make a custom license with them

https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/custom-licensing

[waxen finch]

oh

[cerulean nova]

but there is tons of info below just dont want to blow up the chat

u should read them ^^

stuff like :

The royalty is based on gross revenue from end users, regardless of whether you sell your Product to end users directly, self-publish via the App Store or any similar store, or work with a publisher. The following simplified example illustrates the application of the royalty to gross sales: if your Product earns $10 on the App Store, Apple may pay you $7 (having deducted 30% as a distribution fee), but your royalty to Epic would still be 5% of $10 (or $0.50).```

[cloud cobalt]

Basically yes, you always need to pay

Read the EULA closely

[plush yew]

@cloud cobalt i think that's the fairest way 😃

i am consistently impressed with the epic royalty policy for released games in combination with the MP royalty policy in conjunction

[cloud cobalt]

Well, Unity is still cheaper for game developers most of the time. But it's a very fair number I think

[maiden swift]

Neither one is cheaper than the other in an absolute sense. They use different business models tailored for different needs.

Generally speaking, Unreal's model is tailored for people who want to pay later while Unity's is tailored for people who want to pay up front.

And even then, there are always exceptions. Unreal has custom licensing and Unity has a free version.

[teal tulip]

Unity is cheaper if you can count with a hand the total num of developers

[maiden swift]

For some people, maybe.

That's not absolutely true. It depends on a variety of factors.

[teal tulip]

I don't even will use it right now as their problems on my end still there

[maiden swift]

Unreal is certainly more accessible.

[teal tulip]

And probably more causal developer friendly

More sandbox like with contents

[polar hawk]

@safe rose yeah dawg

[tall pendant]

causal as in mobile games? If so almost nothing beats Unity on that spectrum.

[safe rose]

hm

Nah, I think there are even better options than Unity for casual games

I don't know about Unreal being more accessible than Unity though

Even with Blueprints

[polar hawk]

Construct2D

and some others

are actually hella good

[safe rose]

yeah

Even GameMaker

Cocos

[tall pendant]

I played around with Defold. but well

[safe rose]

Godot is a viable option now (but I have very little info on it, no dev time at all, just WOM and reading updates here and there)

[tall pendant]

😄

[safe rose]

Simply..there are just so many options now for devs

And that's a good thing

[next ivy]

What exactly does the result node from GetCurrentPlayers need?

[safe rose]

?

That node is broken AFAIK

good luck with ping also

[next ivy]

Ah lol

I mean I can just get game state -> player array -> length

[safe rose]

Yeah, been like that for probably ever

[next ivy]

But I was curious

[plush yew]

Hey, how to reset the map ?

I made some mistakes

please

[manic pawn]

make a new one?

[cloud cobalt]

@plush yew Roll back with source control

[plush yew]

❤

Ty

[delicate needle]

I have a character, and have it setup to activate looking around by holding right mouse button, but I cannont get Pitch to work, only yaw, Use pawn rotation is ON in the character camera component.

Nevermind, it works.

When I "set view target with blend" and my target is "Get Player Controller" it moves me to the desired camera, but then I close control of the player controller/pitch/yaw controls. How do I regain control of the view?

[next ivy]

why is my teleport node crashing. I'm just moving get player pawn [0] to a set of coordinates at a specified rotation

[polar hawk]

does pawn 0 exist

yes

are you sure

I think so

triple check

[delicate needle]

Is my question vague or really stupid?

[polar hawk]

it doesn't fit on one line so I kinda didn't read it, hold on

close control of?

what

[delicate needle]

Oops. I'll retype my mess.

[polar hawk]

most likely you still have a pawn possessed

most likely your input is still driving the pawn

why would you set a view target to a player controller

[delicate needle]

I'll start with my goal. I have UX buttons for kitchen , living room, etc. This project has no free movement in X/Y, just preset views for various locations in the apartment. There is no walking around. When the user clicks kitchen, I want to view to transition there, and if the user holds down the right mouse button, I would like them the ability to look around.

[worn granite]

what's likely happening there is that its driving your camera rotation from the player controller itself - I'm not sure why it wouldn't be using the control rotation for that - instead of whatever else.

[polar hawk]

one easy way, create a blueprint that has a camera in it

add input events

[worn granite]

I'd try just clearing the view target

[polar hawk]

then on the become view target event

enable input

[worn granite]

oic

[next ivy]

@polar hawk I used set actor location and it worked

[worn granite]

Yeah once you set the view target its locked to that actor, for clarification.

[polar hawk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

post a callstack

[next ivy]

Teleport wouldnt work no matter how much I simplified the blueprint - maybe its busted in 4.19

[polar hawk]

post a call stack

[delicate needle]

Okay, currently I do have a custom character with a camera, and a custom player controller that enables mouse, etc. That player controller is where I put the logic for holding down right mouse button.

[next ivy]

Im not really sure what the point of the node is when we have setactorlocationandrotation

[polar hawk]

has to deal with physics

[next ivy]

Oh Teleport has wiggle room

[polar hawk]

blueprint a camera

put input in there

unless its multiplayer

otherwise

have input events respect view target

[delicate needle]

Its not MP, just arch viz.

So, in practice, I should create a new camera, lets call it "Customer" and add a BP to it, in that BP of that "Customer" camera, I put the mouse view control logic?

[polar hawk]

would be easier imo

its arch viz

[next ivy]

@polar hawk There's a teleport option under setactorlocation - is that new?

[polar hawk]

its not like you need to do everything 100% game correct

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next ivy]

Maybe they're getting rid of teleport node

[grim ore]

don't forget to fade the view out and back in when you change because that is so in right now

[delicate needle]

Is there a high level book, video series, etc for this type of stuff, inheritance, control of viewport, etc. Most anything out there jumps into someone's pet solution, instead of taking a wider view of the subject.

[polar hawk]

afaik, no

but I don't really know whats out there

in terms of books and tuts

[delicate needle]

How about people who offer 1:1 training, like 1 hour sessions via desktop sharing.

[grim ore]

I have seen a few people out there that do that. You could also check out the courses on Udemy and see if those teachers offer it.

[worn granite]

I know of people who used to do that, probably don't anymore.

I've done so in the past

[polar hawk]

My rate for that is now

$1000 an hour

Note: No one has actually paid this rate for 1:1 training

[worn granite]

I

[delicate needle]

Hope you are wearing something sexy at that rate.

[worn granite]

I 'member when it was $100 or so

[polar hawk]

even at $150 an hour

1:1 training usually ends up in shitty situations

[worn granite]

Can definitely see that happening

You did not make me a UE4 god in an hour.

[delicate needle]

Yeah, I can see how it can go sideways, especially question creep, etc.

[cloud cobalt]

Best bang for your buck is great hour-long tutorials by experienced developers

[delicate needle]

I have a very "but-why" and sort of desire a wider perspective of the parts to be satisfied. On the opposite end it can accumulatively help paint the larger picture, like how @grim ore 's WTF youtube series covers individual nodes, etc.

[worn granite]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I've never seen a tut covering that sorta thing

[delicate needle]

In other words, is not enough to tell me "use this" I want to know, why use "this" etc.

[tall basin]

hey everyone, i'm kind of lost with blueprint subclasses and i need some help.

I've got a trigger box in one blueprint, and I'm trying to get that to activate particle effects in multiple other blueprints

[cloud cobalt]

@delicate needle The "why" type questions usually get great response here ! I love these myself

[tall basin]

it's difficult to know if i'm even approaching it from the right direction, so i wonder how other people would do that?

i can get it to work with just one, but when i add more target blueprints they don't work

[delicate needle]

Aksen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_HYqQdToE

Did you watch this video, I don't pretend to know the answer at all, but sounds relatable to this video.

[winged crypt]

What is the game.pdb file for?