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#ue4-general
fluid swallow
Yea you have integrated graphics
Hmm, I'm not sure Unreal Engine will run on that chipset
It's significantly slower than a 650gtx (which was released 6 years ago or so)
No
yours seems to support a maximum of SM4
You'd need a dedicated GPU to run UE4
digital anchor
(and a decent cpu)
fluid swallow
^
Both
Even with C++, you'd most likely need the editor in order to complete your game/project
amber holly
for scene editing? I'm loading like objects for levels in my own level format
fluid swallow
If you ever wanted to view it graphically, yes
But you wouldn't need to use unreal engine 4 to create a text-based game
^ Please don't take offense to that if someone in this discord is using UE4 for that
errant chasm
how do I make my atmostpheric fog not affect my skysphere?
vivid girder
Is there a way to update Editor Preferences and track it in source control?
amber holly
@fluid swallow I would just make my own runtime editor for my levels
in unreal can I custom my gamedata? like not pack any assets I would want to use cpk
and another thing do I need to pay unreal for selling my game?
amber holly
how much?
plush yew
@amber holly epic takes 5%, steam teakes 30% if you go to that platform.
very fair bargain.
plus any MP assets you buy are yours for life, no licensing restrictions.
just can't use it in other systems other than unreal engine.
don't forget to hop in on the MP sale, now through the 12th. i went on a spree! weeee
🛒
amber holly
what about custom how the assets work like not pack them or use uasset, just normal files?
I'm making my game in c++
plush yew
you should turn on compress package in packaging settings for sure. or your steam customers will complain that your filesize is too large.
umm most files are uasset.
i believe.
amber holly
I plan on using my own archive format with compression
plush yew
time to deploy too high, why reinvent the wheel
use .sav files for saving, use .ini files for writing single values, and use .uasset files as normal.
anyways. can't wait to add in my mp stuff i just bought into my game. it's really good stuff. excited.
amber holly
I wanted to custom where my gamedata is loaded from not content folder like gamedata
plush yew
i got like 500 muzzle flashes lol
i hope my project doesnt bloat up to like 2gb after i add this stuff in
amber holly
and when build does unreal pack the assets into files like asset1.bin asset2.bin asset3.bin?
plush yew
its 550 MB right now on steam.
@amber holly if you turn on create compressed cooked packages, then you will find the file as a .pak file in PackagedGameFolder\Content\Paksmy file is about 500 MB.
odd pike
Anybody know why this isn't applying an impulse to my ball?
even when x=1500 it still doesn't do anything at all to the ball
the script is attached to a ball blueprint and I dragged the ball blueprint out to make the ball
and the blueprint has physics enabled, gravity is pulling it and it is bouncing right now
plush yew
you shouldn't have any need to access compiled files in your game, your internal game code should do all the accessing interanally. most people only access .ini files at runtime, .txt files, or .sav files to load and save games.
the pipeline in UE is to have assets in BPs. if you are doing something custom like that, i would probably recommend importing all the models in as FBX files and re-loading textures on to them. any textures you have in custom binaries won't likely render properly because the materials aren't native.
all of my pawns, characters, powerups, are all blueprint classes with static meshes in them, with materials and textures assigned to those materials in the basse color, spec, etc.
Anyone know about the Euphoria physics in unreal? like on the marketplace or free or something?
/\ If not devs should really have a Euphoria physics engine
odd pike
nvm I figured it out, I need regular impulse not radial impulse, all radial impulse does is spin the ball
plush yew
ahh. i thought i would remind you to turn physics on but i thought you proabably already tried that.
grim sinew
FBX, yes. DDS, no.
grim ore
in theory you can do whatever you want if you re write the code that handles that stuff
grim sinew
Right, but when someone asks a question, generally it's a good idea to assume they're not looking to rewrite a huge chunk of the engine.
Technically you could do literally anything you want if you were up to rewriting the engine to accommodate.
We're not talking about game code, we're talking about engine code
As in modifying the engine itself, a bit deeper than that.
But yes, if you're using C++, if you're desperate enough, you can do anything you want.
fluid swallow
@amber holly I'd still strongly recommend making sure the editor can open or possibly upgrading to another computer first. You will need to make some large changes in order to get the engine to load on SM4
amber holly
I don't think I will need the editor much since I using my own data for levels, cut scenes, etc.
grim sinew
If you're advanced enough to do what you propose, you probably don't need to ask us what you can do.
You have the full source, go for it.
amber holly
can unreal do this good hq rendering in-game cut scenes? https://youtu.be/ct4f8dY_Q84?t=64 or do I have to prerender my cut scenes to make it look good
fluid swallow
😦
grim sinew
Nothing about that cutscene looks good.
fluid swallow
Unreal renders the cut scenes by using tools within the editor...
grim sinew
You could do that with the UE3, let alone UE4.
fluid swallow
If you don't have the editor, you probably won't be able to render the cut scene within Unreal Engine :x
amber holly
I downloaded the engine in the launcher
grim sinew
It sounds like they want to make an entirely new editor for some reason, which I guess nothing's really stopping them from doing so
As long as you don't try and call it a new engine, that is
Any modifications no matter how extensive are still "Unreal"
amber holly
no I would make a runtime editor just for adding objects and saving data and program the game to read the data and create objects
fluid swallow
@.@
That sounds like quite a bit of work just to get it to run on SM4
Perhaps it would be easier to upgrade to a SM5 graphics card?
grim sinew
Can't you just use an old version of the editor (around 4.15) that supports DX10 in the first place?
fluid swallow
Yea I believe 4.12 supported it
fluid swallow
Yea most cards made within the past 5 years support SM5
And even if you add fallbacks for SM4, you're still running into issues with cards that old not having enough memory
grim sinew
More than just the last 5 years
fluid swallow
My biggest issue with supporting old cards was the memory on them
amber holly
what does my level editor have todo with unreal upgrading my hardware?
it just a tool for editing my levels for my game
grim sinew
Nothing
fluid swallow
Nothing, if you have the skills/time it's a great portfolio piece
I was just stating that if you were aiming to work on a game, it'd probably be easier to get a version of the engine that supported your hardware
Because you'd spend an enormous amount of time coding your own editor
amber holly
all the editor tool would be is adding objects and saving data which has nothing to do with ue4 only in the game code for reading that data and creating objects.
isn't a config file to change the settings to use directx 9 or 10?
grim sinew
DX10 was removed recently
DX11 and DX12 only right now
Vulkan and DX12 are both experimental
shrewd raven
Hi guys, i was wondering where i should ask a question about Maya and if someone maybe has a way to get it cheaper. I would love to buy it, but its to darn expensive, right now im using a trial.
sage hinge
how to make a sniper zoom
hidden heart
focal length
brave lark
shrewd raven
Thing is i have started to get the hang of maya already, but i guess i can switch to blender
hidden heart
sure thing 😃
brazen bobcat
noob c++ question:
are you supposed to edit the default engine c++ files for custom utility functions and stuff
or are they there just for reference
plush yew
Hey do I need to create a project in C++ to launch it? Or can I just use Blueprints?
brazen bobcat
you can just use blueprints?
plush yew
I can? Or was that a question as well?
brazen bobcat
if u wanna use c++ you will need a c++ projects
if you want to use blueprints go ahead
plush yew
okay
brazen bobcat
although you will need a install of vs to build
plush yew
while I study and learn the engine I want to do it quality not ugly
brazen bobcat
@plush yew ???
plush yew
lol
Honestly I know there is a huge chance this is for nothing, but I have been enjoying the use of the engine although it seems like people who went to class for this stuff would do much better lol
brazen bobcat
nah you're fine
weary basalt
@plush yew Use the Launcher, you can create BP Projects.
plush yew
Thank you satan
weary basalt
@brazen bobcat You can Edit the Engine as much as you see fit.
brazen bobcat
@weary basalt thanks!
weary basalt
👍
brazen bobcat
@plush yew you dont need to use the project launcher to use blueprints but using their templates might help
weary basalt
If you have an C++ Project you are not restricted to just using C++
Infact an combination of C++ and BP is usually the best development method.
cyan grove
Are there any 2d developers around in this discord? it seems like unreal is only getting used for 3d projects
?
brazen bobcat
yeh i think the best way is c++ for base classes and blueprints for anything involving assets
@cyan grove why
warm mountain
Is it right to say that decals of.the same resolution as a texture are less in space and processing cost?
So instead of maybe 30x concrete texture files
1x concrete and 30x decals would be better?
south ridge
We do it to achieve high pixel density (using tiled textures & non-tiling overlays) and save up on VRAM
Also it simplifies art workflow for us a little
warm mountain
As adding a large array of decals and material instances with large shader instruction
Would slow performance
Ah
south ridge
This is all done at a cost of runtime complexity, our materials are all way more expensive
Well, not too expensive, but they are still way above what you'd normally expect
south ridge
For what you have in mind, we use mesh decals. They have normals and other stuff, yup
Actually most of those decals are two-step kinda thing
warm mountain
Gotcha
south ridge
They have a texture that defines the actual texture of the decal, but they also have a texture that masks them out
So we can generate more different decals by shifting the actual texture of the decal (it's also tiling) against a fixed mask
So then even if two masks are sitting together and are fully identical, they do not look the same
warm mountain
Fair enough
I guess thats where the shader complexity comes from
As opposed to a simple semi transparent plane that is pasted on.something
south ridge
The shader complexity comes from blending many different things together yeah
warm mountain
Understood
Ill test it out for a bit my game consist of a single large map
So theres a bit of a challenge there
Its not openworld though
south ridge
With that stuff we can maintain something like 0.5 mm per pixel resolution on textures
Which looks so insanely satisfyingly sharp
And it feels great to rub camera/face against it 😄
warm mountain
Nifty! Im still in the phase of developing the modular meshes haha but i think.will be reaching the texturin part in 2 weeks
I would love to rub my face on some of the textures haha
Got some small.closed interior.instances in the map
Where things are.more detailed
languid patrol
hey, any quick way to replace a reference without it doing checking assets for root set ?
nvm, restarted ue4 and the few asset references went by quick
tame stag
can anyone see this post in the the job offerings section in the forum? because i can't... https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/got-skills-looking-for-talent/job-offerings/1487873-myths-and-mazes-is-looking-for-skilled-and-motivated-team-members
final owl
wary wave
@tame stag - forum bug has dropped it to the last page - give it a bump and it'll jump to the top
anyone know why skeletal meshes might have woefully inaccurate bounds?
tame stag
@wary wave thank you 😃
wary wave
no problem
rocky breach
@dawn linden Eat it... Epic replied!
https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/feedback-for-epic/1486942-docs-search-no-longer-has-filters-a-huge-step-back
ancient wave
pee pee xdddd
final owl
xdddd
bitter iris
Can anyone help me with some information about copyright?
grim sinew
Probably better off asking a lawyer if it's not something very self evident you can find on google
bitter iris
Its basically apperently theres a movie that is the same as my game title, but i didnt know about
small oar
is the game already out?
bitter iris
No, i havent finished the game
But im worried now as ive spent so long on it an i may have to change the title now
small oar
is it a lot of work
bitter iris
Yep
small oar
oh the game is based around the name?
grim sinew
If it's important enough, find a lawyer to consult.
small oar
lol im joking ask a lawyer for sure
wary wave
you'll want to look to see if someone holds trademarks
if they don't have a name mark, you're likely fine
plush yew
Lawyer will do a more thorough search
bitter iris
Okay
plush yew
Best not to risk it
wary wave
yeah, an intellectual property lawyer will be able to conduct a suitably thorough trademark search
bitter iris
Thanks
cloud cobalt
@bitter iris In any case, no matter how legal it might be - my advice would be to not use a name that already exists, for referencing purposes alone
bitter iris
Ive got a backup name, if it needs to be changed
i might just email the person who created the movie, see if its fine
cloud cobalt
You mean the publisher who owns the rights
Directors etc don't have any say on that stuff
cloud cobalt
But again, if someone else has already used that name, then you should definitely change it
bitter iris
Yeah ill go ahead an change things i think
vale osprey
Just for feature - “checking is it’s fine” is not enough. You need to have a legal agreement that can stand in court if things go sour
bitter iris
Yeah like every indie developer has a legal team that hasnt launched
crisp fable
hey guys
this one time i heard someone say using the alpha channel is effectively creating a new texture, memory wise
so if i have 8 channels to pack, am i better off doing it RGB, RGB, RG
rather than RGBA, RGBA
grim sinew
Correct
crisp fable
ok
grim sinew
And the most important one should always go in green
Higher quality than red and blue
crisp fable
ok good to know
frail sun
Is it possible to refresh the content browser?
cloud cobalt
That's done in real time
frail sun
Doesn't seem to be the case for newly added directories outside of the ue4 editor
cloud cobalt
@frail sun The content browser only shows imported assets
frail sun
Interesting
cloud cobalt
The usual workflow is to have a Content dir (assets), a source dir for source assets (fbx, textures, etc)
You can set UE4 to auto-import stuff from a dir
You'll usually never touch the Content dir manually
vale osprey
@bitter iris selling products or services is a business and should be treated as such. You don’t need your own legal team for such things. There are plenty of law firms that provide all kind of services.
kindred viper
interesting thing I learned recently. The asset registry actually has a tick. I dont often think of things outside the gameworld having a tick but there you have it.
plush yew
anyone check #mobile for an issue im having?
By the way, can you use the splatmap(red,green,blue channel) to color?
cloud cobalt
Sure
errant nacelle
FFS - Windows updated the system and now I get "Please verify that you have sufficient rights to run this " whenever I try to compile something
I managed to ignore the update for soo long and now I know why I did
plush yew
@errant nacelle from code? Sometimes thats a problem with plugin declaration in build files
errant nacelle
I've downloaded a complete clean state of the UE4 source code to verify that it wasn't my project
getting the same error there
UAC is completely disabled, I'm running VS as administrator. Windows can be so damn annoying at times
Everything was working fine, boom update, nothing works anymore.
plush yew
Oof i feel ya
errant nacelle
From the looks of it many others had the issue as well
And the solutions seem to be different each time
So worst case scenario atm xD
cloud cobalt
@errant nacelle Paste the actual output log
plush yew
Delete saved+intermediate+binary folders?
errant nacelle
Right, one sec
cloud cobalt
I'm getting the feeling you're using VS error window here
Which is useless and wrong
The "rights" warning is unrelated to your actual problem
errant nacelle
Good point, let me try another build really quick so I can paste the output log
plush yew
@errant nacelle use pastebin
cloud cobalt
Well, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's really just wrong code and unrelated to Windows, VS or anything
Just misleading in default VS layout
plush yew
-waitmutex code 5/3 maybe
errant nacelle
Waitmutex -5 was a good guess, but none of the files seem to be readonly
The folders however keep resetting
cloud cobalt
Forget about that
errant nacelle
That can't be the issue though can it?
cloud cobalt
First rule of C++ : only look at the first error
Everything after that is 100% bullshit
Your issue has nothing to do with rights
2>ERROR : UBT error : Failed to produce item: D:\ue420\Engine\Intermediate\Build\Win64\UnrealHeaderTool\Development\UnrealHeaderTool-Core.lib
that's the real one
Now the hard part is understanding why that didn't work. If you updated Windows, or VS, it's possible that the build is compromised because it doesn't detect changes made in system libraries / includes
I'd start by doing a clean rebuild of the engine
errant nacelle
That is practically what I'm trying to do :P
cloud cobalt
Well this isn't a rebuild, it's just a build
errant nacelle
Ah I see, yeah I just clicked build to sped up the process, but it came up in a rebuild as well
Just hit rebuild
Crossing fingers
cloud cobalt
If that doesn't work, then you'll need to move to the step of removing all generated files (build binarie sintermediate folders, + UE4 sln etc)
And start over
Make sure you have an up-to-date VS, too
grim ore
If that doesn't work, set the machine on fire and buy a new one!
buy a mac, I heard they are good.
errant nacelle
I'd love to get behind the issue and fix it though instead of moving away from it :P
cloud cobalt
Also don't use previews, though at least previews should build 😃
errant nacelle
Just hate that I always suspected that the update owuld birng issues
And voila, it did :D
grim ore
well if it helps I updated a good half dozen machines here and no issues
but I guess that doesn't help 😛
errant nacelle
Just hope that there's just some kind of oversight from my side
grim ore
tho the update on the 2 slower machines with mechanical drives literally took over 3 hours each...
errant nacelle
Doing a clean state right now and also reinstalling VS just to e sure
cloud cobalt
No point in reinstalling anything
grim ore
Reinstall World of Warcraft and call it a day?
errant nacelle
Nevar!
I'm gonna fix this! And if it's the last thing I do!
Queue 50 years later "So guys I think I found the issue..."
grim ore
well fixing it will probably be the last thing you try
cloud cobalt
There's nothing complicated here - the engine is very likely to build when built from scratch, as long as you have all the dependencies
errant nacelle
Mhm anything beyond running setup.bat thats recommended in terms of that?
I've got the proper vs dependencies, windows sdk/.net dev kit/game dev kit etc
cloud cobalt
Yeah you still need Visual Studio, up to date, with the Windows SDK etc
But really, this is C++ here
errant nacelle
I mean I had this exact same setup running 2 days earlier, the only thing thats changed is that the windows updated force-installed itself
But there's always something I could miss
So any help is appreciated =)
So thanks for the tips so far !
cloud cobalt
I am not surprised at all that an update of anything could break iterative build
It's routine to remove the generated files and start over from source when you change anything
For VS updates, that's 100% mandatory all the time
It's surprising for Windows but not shocking at all
uncut hill
hey folks, where do you reckon the best channel to ask profiling related questions would be?
cloud cobalt
This is very much because of how C++ works - getting stuff built with slightly different environments to link together is never automatic
If you hate that, work with prebuilt releases
errant nacelle
Nah don't hate it :) Just hate not knowing what the issue is. But what you say makes a lot of sense
cloud cobalt
The problem is that C++ is only standardized up to compiling a single file
Builds systems are absolutely not covered in the standard at all
Compiling tens of thousands of files, keeping them built, rebuilding those who need to and linking them, without breaking all the time, that's a hard challenge
errant nacelle
But thats also partly why it's so satisfying once everything is working smoothly again :)
cloud cobalt
Yeah
I'm very happy I don't need dedicated server, I haven't touched a source UE build for years
At least a full rebuild is only 3 minutes now
amber holly
can I add new features to the ue4 like new formats?
grim ore
you can add whatever you want with the source code
amber holly
If I made a update how do I contact for making a update to the engine?
grim ore
You would put a pull request into the system, the instructions are on the github page
glossy wraith
im trying to make a very simple racing game as a concept
grim ore
You can do whatever you want with your property, if its for 3d stuff it might be better suited in another channel tho.
wild kestrel
Asset system is simply UObject saving system, it saves all properties so you can do anything 😃 you can also alter serialization process
oh you eman support new format?
as long as license allows, you can also relese it as plugin
you mean oyu want it to be added to main relese of engine?
grim sinew
If it's a format you created, it's unlikely Epic would make it an official feature. You can still use it in your own branch though.
And share that branch with the forums, if you choose to.
Might get traction there.
grim sinew
And yeah, plugins would work
wild kestrel
it defintly work, ebcause there really no diffrence between adding modules ot engine, plugins or gamep rojhjects
they all the same just diffrent way od distributing them
???
grim sinew
What, like replace the currently existing way the engine stores models?
If you're releasing something, the forums are your better bet than Discord. It'll get more visibility
Here it'll be gone never to be seen again in a day or two
wispy wraith
Is portrait + landscape supported for IOS yet?
errant nacelle
@wild kestrel Whats your source on that? That it is running on unreal engine?
plush yew
I don't think they're using it for smash though
plush yew
is Blender is hard program, not hard heavy program because my computer is dual ore with shit video card?
wild kestrel
@errant nacelle There was UE4 logo on Smash presentation credits
frank escarp
@plush yew blender is by far the 3d program with the least performance overhead. It runs on literally anything
glossy wraith
It'll be hard to use the real time rendering
frank escarp
and it you cant run it, you can go back to an old version
errant nacelle
I think you're mistaken Shadowriver, those were the credits of the whole nintendo presentation
plush yew
I download the last version-is tha problem?
glossy wraith
But like it'll take some more time to render out and that's about it
wild kestrel
does not matter really
glossy wraith
The other previews should be find
errant nacelle
Would've been pretty cool if smash would be running on UE4 though =D
plush yew
Am I must to render?? I want to creating materials and building and then to move it to Unreal because I downloaded farm house but I can't make door animation
wild kestrel
it does i think it shows all copyright for all character they used so it was definitly smash presentation credits
plush yew
is that is for me or no?
wild kestrel
@errant nacelle hmm myou knwo you may actully be right :>
cloud cobalt
@plush yew No, don't render in Blender
wild kestrel
there copyright for other stuff
cloud cobalt
Just export to FBX and import in UE4
And it's not Smash
The Smash video itself does not end with UE4 credits
The Nintendo Direct did
The one that included Fortnite
plush yew
okay @next panthernger but I don't nderstand for what is render??
cloud cobalt
(and at least two others UE4 games)
wild kestrel
i just noticed :p
plush yew
I know to import to FBX
plush yew
But when I create something as house I must to create it oin parts or whole once because I want to make the animation of the ouse adnd these things but when I downloaded the farm house from the internet I can't move the door and other
grim ore
You can create the entire thing in your 3d program and animate the door as an animation if you want. You can create it in parts in the 3d program and animate the door in the engine.
plush yew
yes I want to animate the door in Unreal but to animate the door mustn't I to have alone the door not whole building?
grim ore
which is what I said in the second sentence, create it in parts and then animate it in engine. If you are getting the model from somewhere else and it's not like that then you need to fix it or find a model that does support that.
grim ore
you need a model that was created in parts
or separate models you can put together in the engine
plush yew
okay
thank you
I have one more question about this that we talking about
when I create character I must to follow these steps that I create it in parts or - because then to make naimations an etc?
grim ore
a character is normally a skeletal mesh, a mesh with a skeleton attached to it, that is one piece and you animate it based on the skeleton. accessories might have to be separate but that is up to your design
things like capes can be part of the original model or attached for example
plush yew
okay
so when I create a character I make the skeleton together but accesories separate-??
cloud cobalt
@plush yew You should start simple
Crates, barrels, etc.
Character creation is stuff you attempt with years of experience
plush yew
I know but my classmate ask me to assk here because he will make
grim ore
if your classmate can make characters then he should already have this information
there is nothing different in making an animated and rigged character for UE4 then any other engine, it's pretty much industry standard practices
about the only real difference is if you want to use pre made animations you would want to rig it to the default UE4 skeleton
plush yew
he doesn't know so ask me to aks you
grim ore
lots of reading/research then for him
plush yew
okay
cloud cobalt
Really, start with something simple if you're asking that kind of stuff
Like, do a Mario game with blocks you can jump onto
plush yew
no I don't wan this
i will make basic things in blender but I work on serious project in unreal
cloud cobalt
@plush yew If you're serious, you'll do something simple you have an actual shot at making well
Simple games are very serious
hoary charm
Why can't I view my uvs?
If I move the toolbar to the right, the UVS are then zoomed in and I still cannot see the full sheet
plush yew
I am seriuous
celest merlin
Anyone else ahving issue with SSAO in 4.20? I upgraded my project and SSAO stopped working
pallid compass
Well its a preview isent it
4.20 is a little bnroken everywhere
I hope you backed your stuff up
celest merlin
Yes I did
celest merlin
But is it an known issue or am I "the only one" ?
cinder iron
as a recommendation, never update to a preview
celest merlin
huh, usually their previews are pretty solid
cinder iron
no they aren't XD
celest merlin
done it every preview before without issues
cinder iron
4.19 crashed at ctrl z
as an example
every single preview has had major issues, because they are not meant to be used in a production level
celest merlin
well I never make misstakes so I never needed to ctrl z 😉
cinder iron
nice
cloud cobalt
Previews are 100% for testing purposes
Like all engine upgrades, use a branch & rebase
Work on stable release, check on new releases when you feel like updating - do the update on a branch you rebase onto your main dev branch perioically
When you've tested enough, you can merge your branch
pallid compass
Obviously you must be using the bare basics of the engine then :p
cloud cobalt
What ?
pallid compass
not u stranger him
I dont think iv never used a preview and not had issues with it haha
cloud cobalt
Ah, well, I think it's more about which features Epic was using
pallid compass
ah yeah thats true, that would hold a large reflection on it
manic pawn
how do you go about do the update on a branch you rebase onto your main dev branch perioically?
rebase would change your branch instead of making a copy of the changes on the new version to test, right?
grim sinew
@celest merlin Yeah usually it's fine, but 4.20 is abnormally broken because they merged in about two years of side projects all at once. Wait for a normal release on it.
fluid swallow
SSAO is only one of a very large list of issues. Granted, not all preview builds are unstable, but 4.20 has surprised me. I agree with everything said here, though with 4.20, I would probably only use it on a test branch to test things periodically and stick with 4.19 for development.
keen pawn
anyone know where to change the highlight colour
of the yellow etc
on the geometry
cloud cobalt
@manic pawn Yes, basically the "portability to next version" changes are usually very small, so you just rebase that onto the main trunk of development that's always bigger
That way, no loss of work can ever happen
Worst case you don't update to that version and you just keep the branch for the next one
manic pawn
hmm not sure I'm getting it
currently I have a branch off 4.19.2-release with my changes
if I rebase this to the 4.20 preview won't it kill the current one?
manic pawn
you mean I should rebase the 4.20 engine branch to the one with my changes? I'm even more confused now 😅
pallid compass
dw im always confused
manic pawn
I guess what I actually want to do is create a new branch off 4.20 and then "duplicate" the commits from my branch there
which doesn't seem to be a thing git does
glossy wraith
wait like the default unity shader?
plush yew
has anyone made anything with the first person template? When I spawn another player in I can only see the gun floating there...
pallid compass
no arms?
grim sinew
The first person template has no third person model by default. You need to add one.
plush yew
not even arms
grim sinew
Exactly. Why would you have arms if you didn't have a third person model?
plush yew
hmm
grim sinew
The arms your player has are for your first person model.
grim sinew
Well presumably your third person character would have arms.
Unless your game is about amputees.
plush yew
so basically unless i am about to create a character from scratch etc, i want to start in third person template and adjust the camera for less work sakes
bleak junco
is there a best practise for creating landscape material? I´ve got 10 layers now and my flow chart looks like a total mess O.o
plush yew
i did hear of one it costs money though
looked really easy
i cant even remember the name sorry
errant nacelle
Hey @cloud cobalt just thought I'd give you a quick update: Running TotalUninstaller for Visual Studio and then cleanly building the engine again did the trick. Got a working project again and nothing is lost, just some nerves and time.
Thanks for the help! =)
plush yew
I assume then ur brain starts to overheat and melt and ur body goes haywire and accidently smashes me to bits
grim sinew
Eventually. People here are only human, sometimes people get frustrated and tempers rise. Everyone that takes the time to answer though always means well though.
plush yew
I understand
I wonder why there is only one chat channel... The text chats should be voice channels I think sometimes its easier to talk then type it out
plush yew
😛
lol
Hey ZeroNight how much experience do you got with this launcher? Like for example what is ur specialty or you a jack of all trades
*engine
grim sinew
I make pretty pictures.
grim sinew
That involves minimizing zbrush, too much work. 😃
plush yew
k
pallid compass
come on zero
brittle gulch
Hi guys, I have a question about the LOD system in UE4. It's powered by Simplygon right? If I understand well, I don't need a license anymore to ship projects that use it? It's delivered with UE4 right out of the box?
pallid compass
whip out your granite scene
grim sinew
Alright, one moment while I whip it out. 
Actually surprisingly I don't think I saved any pictures of it
Those were all screenshots
Ah well, maybe I'll post something when I'm actually finished with it
Something else came up that's taken my focus for a bit so even though the final asset is done sculpting, I didn't bake or texture it yet.
proven aurora
Does UE4 take forever to load up for anyone else?
grim ore
it can take forever the first time you load a project as it creates the DDC
it can take forever any other time if you are running a pentium 4 as well
pallid compass
lmao
grim sinew
Should usually be about 30 seconds
grim ore
by load do you mean the first time or every time the same project? and by project do you mean a third person template or the kite demo?
bitter plover
I have a sprinting blend space that i have no idea how to implement into the game. Any ideas c++ please
grim ore
"it" is never descriptive enough for anyone to help
sharp crest
whens the summer sale ending?
grim ore
You can get started with your shopping at 12:00am EDT tonight by heading right here. The Summer Sale runs for just one week and will end on June 12 at 11:59pm EDT,
~6 hours from now
plush yew
I wish I had a super brain that understood all this stuff I would create a entire video game. 😛
But no my dream is impossible
worn granite
You know how you get a super brain that understands all of this?
fluid swallow
Super reading
plush yew
TELL MEH
worn granite
one tiny lil bit of knowledge at a time. bit by bit.
plush yew
yes but even the internet is restricting me they want money for these knowledges
worn granite
I have invested maybe a total of $40 in learning UE4.
plush yew
you could have used that 40$ to buy that 200$ package since its now on sale for like 25-50$
worn granite
which one?
worn granite
oh
fluid swallow
What is the phrase about teaching a man to fish?
worn granite
this is normally $200?
plush yew
yes
worn granite
wtf
fluid swallow
It's not on sale, @plush yew
plush yew
no that must be the wrong one i must find zee way its on sale for like 5-10 mor ehours
fluid swallow
😬
plush yew
I FIND
I FIND ZE WAY!
I Found it
uhh @weary basalt can i link something that has a big link its related to unreal sale
from unreal engine 4 its the way
😐 may i
ok its on sale for 25$ originally 200%
200$*
people must know zee way!
manic pawn
udemy stuff is always on sale
it's how they trick you into buying it
usually this one costs $15
worn granite
yeah its never full price
plush yew
but it looks like its really the way
worn granite
actually
plush yew
oh well i thought i knew the way
pallid compass
but the offer system is a scam
plush yew
:/
manic pawn
it's not a scam since it's pretty good and for that price
plush yew
but it looks real
worn granite
its ok
frosty bloom
it is legit, its just the price offer that is a scam
manic pawn
btw it shows $10 for me right now not $25
plush yew
I'm Canadian thats why u must American or European
manic pawn
oh wait it's actually 10€
cinder iron
all right, so udemy is weird. But the courses are worth the price. Just the offers as @frosty bloom pointed out seem sketchy
manic pawn
not $
frosty bloom
Yeah, I own the c++ course since quite a while back. I do recommend it if your a beginner.
cinder iron
I'd wait for them to be at a normal price
frosty bloom
But any ONSALE offer from that site is just bs
plush yew
Is there any free courses to teach zee way
frosty bloom
depends on how far along the way you aim to get
plush yew
so many categories its hard to know which way is zee way
weary basalt
@plush yew Sorry i only just woke up
plush yew
honestly i just got stuck on my project, i imported a gun to a character attached it, now i can get his other arm to hold the vertical forgrip
@weary basalt No prob, I thought I found something useful but I didn't I was just asking if I could post a large link.
grim sinew
@plush yew That tutorial series is great, I've gone through it myself, but don't stress about the price. It's always on sale.
plush yew
ok
♻ 🐷 =🥓 🤦
So uh guys is there a way to create custom bones in unreal engine or must it be done with blender
pallid compass
Do it in blender
plush yew
rawr
pallid compass
Virtual bones do not function like you would think
pallid compass
Because you dont google first :p
pallid compass
Little hint, if you type properly you will most likely get a better response off people, as so many kids and wann be mmo makers and potato's come in and out of here within a week
Presentation goes along way as this place is filled with hobbyists to industry professionals
But most likely your export has not worked correctly.
pallid compass
What?
pallid compass
You will need to explain what you mean
pallid compass
Im just letting you know, if you type like someone who is rather young in here, people wont take you seriously and you are less likely to get help.
pallid compass
no worries
plush yew
Hakuna Matata
pine parcel
Hey guys I've been having an issue for a while now can't seem to figure it out. I have my pawn set up with a dummy mesh and a camera for top down purposes. How do I set the location/rotation properly? The player start seems to be what's controlling the actual location/rotation.
pallid compass
SetActorLocation
pine parcel
(I set relative locatioon/rotation in the pawn and it works when auto possessing but not with player start)
@pallid compass appears to have worked, thank you.
pallid compass
no worries man
pine parcel
One more question if I may. So I have my default top down pawn working and a bunch of units placed into the world. These units are selectable and stored in an array on the player controller. I'm looking to draw a decal under the selected units but only have it shown for the player controlling those units. What class would this best be handled in? And how would I go about only drawing it selectively?
Hmm... I think maybe it behaves that way by default if I don't replicate it. Will try it from the player controller for now and see how it works.
glossy beacon
pine parcel
right on
frosty bloom
Welp, I can't change the material instance used on an Image in a Widget, blueprints will be the death of me
grim ore
because it's racist
worn granite
clearly its homophobic
its really simple, actually.
the editor takes more resources to run than the game.
And/or the game has enabled a lower end renderer.
grim ore
and or it's literally racist and we have no control over what someone else did to make it work on your hardware.
limpid lodge
Anyone know why a replicated line trace would be correct when fired from the server, but really short and stubby when fired from the client?
grim ore
not to be too obvious but different settings
did you check that the location for start is the same on client and player?
limpid lodge
hmm, it should be starting from the front of the players gun. if im replicating it, do i need so specify which player?
grim ore
well I guess you don't have to but then it might not be the correct one. and since you are saying you can see it from the server I am assuming you are using a listen server?
limpid lodge
yeah, its a listen server. it seems to be starting in the right spot, and going in the right direction, but it's really short
grim ore
well the line trace node is stupid, it's only going to do what you tell it. If it's starting in the correct spot on client and server then it sounds like the distance is wrong for some reason.
and is this a line trace on say player 1 on both screens or a line trace for each player
limpid lodge
oh interesting... it is the right length when viewed from the server
but its short when viewed fro mthje clietn
wow had a stroke mid type hahaha
plush yew
so none of my spotlights are working in my level. when i start the game its just dark not one of them are lit. do i need to do something with bp's to get them to turn on. or has something changed with those. i thought they were just on to start with https://i.imgur.com/oN9OtHv.jpg
grim ore
welp if its starting in the correct spot on each client then what are you using to determine the end point?
they should work, have you tried a new spotlight in a new blank level to see if your engine broke or it's the level settings?
plush yew
i havnt. but i will do that right now.
next jewel
👋
plush yew
it works as intended in a new level. https://i.imgur.com/VFvxU3n.png
grim ore
darn my next idea was too many stationary lights but I don't see the X in the lights so that should not be it
maybe the lights are working but your materials are not accepting lights
well assuming your did check to make sure they are turned on as well lol, they should by default especially if you just drag a new one in to check
ivory prism
My unreal keeps crashing. I dont know why
plush yew
i'll write down my color code i was using and delete all of them and drag some new ones in. maybe they're just faulty
grim ore
well you can always just drag a new one in and see what happens before nuking the rest
ivory prism
I do simple actions like adding a spring arm and it crahses
grim ore
there are hundreds of reasons it could be crashing, install the debug files from the launcher and what does it say when it crashes?
ivory prism
Ill send an image
plush yew
the new one i just put in worked right away. so i guess i'll delete all the others and make new ones. thats just weird
grim ore
that is super weird
grim ore
yep but that's not going to work without the debug symbols which I mentioned
ivory prism
ok, ill install the debug files tomorrow and Ill see what happens. I have to go now
pseudo void
if you create a c++ class in a blueprint project to make it a c++ project can it mess up any hidden settings or is it alright? I just did like 30 minutes of work and realized I accidentally made a bp project instead of c++
weary basalt
Changing it to C++ shouldnt cause issues
pseudo void
cool, thanks
elfin stream
Is all the Unreal documention totally borked now? Not referring to the API ref but all the guides/tutorials seem to just land on the index page.
frosty copper
IIRC, they're still migrating everything over, so some links are borked but the information should still be there.
visual hollow
Does light need to be inside the lightmass importance volume when using the Lightmass Imp Volume?
frosty copper
No.
@visual hollow
LIVs basically mean:
lights inside a LIV will bounce up to the specified count.
lights outside a LIV will bounce up to, but not more than, twice.
someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But from memory, this is correct.
So for instance: The scene is in a hilly/mountain area. The playable area is a small enclosed area.
You'd have a LIV around the enclosed area. Not the entire map. So an outpost building far away with a light on it won't get the same detailing as the lights in the playable area.
hope that makes sense~
plush yew
in the open level screen, if you name levels a1 a2 a3 etc, it goes a1 a10 a11 a12 a2 a3
is that how it's suppppposed to work
im talking about in the engine
visual hollow
thanks for the info
plush yew
anyone seen this shit before? it's supposed to be a power of 2 issue supposedly but i dont think that's the case
i've tried changing lots of texture options in the packaging settings, only happens on one of my android devices which is running 7.11
small oar
anyone know a good cutscenes tutorial?
im only finding matinee stuff which looks like its probably legacy by now
brittle gulch
Hi guys, I have a question about the LOD system in UE4. It's powered by Simplygon right? If I understand well, I don't need a license anymore to ship projects If I use it? It's delivered with UE4 right out of the box?
languid shard
@brittle gulch nah they let go of Simplygon a while ago, you dont need any licencing
brittle gulch
@languid shard Ouf thank you! I started making all my LOD with it and then I saw this licensing thing my heart skipped a beat! 😅
cloud cobalt
Though there is no official support for Lua in the engine
Better keep to stuff that's here out of the box, in case you need to port on a platform that's not supported by a Lua plugin
Are you working with UE4 here ?
manic pawn
lua is super simple to integrate in stuff
cloud cobalt
The point is, UE4 has plenty of tools and two languages already
Integrating a Lua interpreter on top is just asking for problems
manic pawn
whether integrating it makes sense, is the real question lol
for a cut scene you just use sequencer
small oar
yeah @cloud cobalt thats what i was thinking
im a super newb just started using unreal like a week ago so im trying to do things as simply as i can
cloud cobalt
@amber holly What are you even talking about ? Just use sequencer
There are built-in tools for cutscenes
This is a specific UE4 Discord, it sounds like you're talking about creating your own engine here
manic pawn
why would you reinvent the wheel when you don't have to?
cloud cobalt
At least please don't answer to people asking for support with "custom" thing @amber holly
Start with the UE4 way
Then if it doesn't suit your needs, look into enhancing them
Guy asks for how to create cutscenes
There is a cutscene tool in UE4
So obviously that should be the first think to look at
Not "use Lua", which really means "do it yourself with another language"
You might have valid reasons to reinvent the wheel but please at least don't act like UE4 doesn't have a tool for that
Then please don't answer to such questions if you're not sure you have an accurate answer :/
No one cares what other engines do, you don't integrate an entirely different language just for cutscenes
That doesn't make any sense
Good for you
Look, I don't know how this is complicated
Don't answer to beginner questions if you don't know the default, built-in way of doing it
wary wave
people who are new to the engine (and development in general) don't need to be confused by recommendations for setting up complicated manual processes, when for their requirements the built in tools are going to work just fine
small oar
sequencer is working great ty everyone
devout gulch
@amber holly yes and Unral have build in tools for all of it
WTF, why are you not using Godot or some other simple engine
frosty lotus
So I’ve been working with the crowd manager for hours now, and barely have any understanding of it. Is there an explanation of what all those properties are. (Using detour ai controller)
whole quarry
Try google
tranquil sierra
Annybody following the E3?
cloud cobalt
Everyone I guess
grim sinew
About Unreal
languid shard
about unreal
tranquil sierra
I wanted to make a brdige
grim sinew
Stop reading my mind @languid shard
languid shard
hush @grim sinew
grim sinew
Got a screenshot of what you want to make?
tranquil sierra
I don’t need to make anything
Wanted tot know they also using the same programs as we
grim sinew
"I wanted to make a bridge"
grim sinew
Also kinda sorta, not really. They use Maya for everything, even level design.
tranquil sierra
Yes??
grim sinew
They only barely have an editor for their games
grim sinew
Yeah. You can look at their papers for Infamous Second Son and how they did that
It's just this massive Maya scene with references everywhere
tranquil sierra
Ok.
whole quarry
I havent seen anything yet of the E3, I heard something about Fallout 76. Is that made in Unreal?
tranquil sierra
Crazy
digital anchor
nope
cloud cobalt
They didn't
grim sinew
The new one is
tranquil sierra
Yes
tranquil sierra
IT was in the bottom
whole quarry
There was somethint about a new Halo game too. I doubt that was made in Unreal tho
digital anchor
doubt it
grim sinew
Guys, not everything here is done in Unreal. Halo had a brand new enigne
cloud cobalt
It wasn't in the bottom - it was in the bottom of the Nintendo Direct presentation
tranquil sierra
Aaaah
cloud cobalt
Which included Fortnite
tranquil sierra
Ok
whole quarry
Well.. need to keep it about unreal, so... 😀
cloud cobalt
Pokémon might be UE4-based, Smash is unlikely to be so
tranquil sierra
Stupid to show This at the end of the bros showdown
Mmhm pokemon is fuxked
They had way more better things to do
tranquil sierra
:p
bitter iris
I'm pretty sure Smash was made on Havok? Could be wrong
grim sinew
Smash isn't Havok
languid shard
havok isnt a rendering engine 🤔
grim sinew
Havok's engine is dead
grim sinew
#yourFaultPiensken
tranquil sierra
I know
languid shard
you started the chit chat here @tranquil sierra
digital anchor
xd
languid shard
🙄
anyways, UE4 related stuff, should switching from deferred to forward, then back to deferred make any performance impact at all ?
languid shard
cause I had decently good perf on deferred yesterday, today I switch to forward and perf gets hammered
back to deferred, still shitty perf
grim sinew
Probably unrelated
Try cleaning up your DDC and see if it helps, maybe something derped
cloud cobalt
Check in source control if other settings were altered by the switch, or if you broke something without looking
languid shard
got no source control :v
whole quarry
Perf? Perforce?
languid shard
it would be a nightmare with our stuff
cloud cobalt
Then you deserve it 😃
grim sinew
lmao
languid shard
fucking CAD models
languid shard
on another note
trying to import a model with datasmith right now, 32 702 pieces
bracing for editor crash
cloud cobalt
Seriously though, just use source control, even if "it doesn't work well', it's always 50,000 times better than not having it
You have to be crazy
If only because of that exact scenario of moving back and forth with options
Source control would tell it to you in literal seconds
digital anchor
still lookin for a technique to smooth movement on listen server, how can i interpolate if its supposed to have the original server state, wondering if its even possible, as CMC doesnt even do it
cloud cobalt
@digital anchor I've done that
languid shard
@cloud cobalt also SC requires a lot of space right ? To keep track of all the changes
need moar storage 😦
digital anchor
:o
cloud cobalt
@digital anchor What I do is process client moves at the speed of the server, on server tick. Like, client sent a move with 33ms delta time, server has 17ms delta time, so you process the move over 17ms, keep the move in memory with 33-17ms left
digital anchor
that makes sense
cloud cobalt
If server has 20ms and the move was 17ms, I process all the move and 3ms of the next
I have some additional magic in there like time dilation + some reserve time to work well in bad conditions
grim sinew
@languid shard Get VSTS, even if you're the only one that makes commits. Free for up to 5 people and unlimited storage.
languid shard
IT is in the way sadly
grim sinew
How?
languid shard
our machines are dell stuff
every hardware change needs back and force with them
they have to send the machine
etc...
if I had the control I'd buy a few SSDs and do it in two days
cloud cobalt
If your IT isn't capable of providing a hard drive large enough for required software then your company deserves the death it will get
languid shard
well we are pretty advanced compared to other companies in the building industry
but sadly still 10y behind on a lot of stuff
languid shard
eh
cloud cobalt
Source control existed way before 10 years ago
whole quarry
Hmm good old CRT screens
cloud cobalt
CVS is 25 years old
languid shard
this machine has only one disk
grim sinew
Do source control in a way that it holds the files remotely
languid shard
frenquently have to offload projects in a .zip on our servers
cloud cobalt
Go tell IT today that you need two more $50 hard drives
grim sinew
Or yeah, a $50 hard drive
grim sinew
Just grab an external hard drive, not even internal. Abuse that USB 3.0 speed.
languid shard
lack of storage, lack of ram for big projects like point clouds
whole quarry
Well.. dont get any more Dell's
languid shard
we're tied to them, IT again @whole quarry
whole quarry
Dell is good for normal office usage
languid shard
for maintenance and stuff
cloud cobalt
We're not talking about good CPU here, we're talking about absolutely required, vitally important tools that you can't work without
whole quarry
Anything else meh
cloud cobalt
YOu can't work without source control
You can pretend to change files somewhere
YOu're not working though
languid shard
guess I can, did it for a whole year already
whole quarry
Well.. you can work without SC
whole quarry
Just when things go wrong..
cloud cobalt
You're not working, you're praying your way into maybe not losing your work
languid shard
kinda yeah :/
whole quarry
Sounds like life. Go for it and pray it works out
cloud cobalt
I would quit on the first hour of the first day if I couldn't get source control on the work machine
Just like if I was told to write C++ code on a stone tbalet
That would make more sense than no source control
languid shard
😅
whole quarry
I would love to see that compile
cloud cobalt
Honestly I'd rather write C++ on toilet paper and compile it myself than not have source control
Being very serious here
cloud cobalt
With a paper print of the C++ standard and five years of work per line
Still better than no source control
Go talk to IT now
Go buy a drive and put it in the case while taking hostages so that no one stops you
Just don't spend any more time not using source control
whole quarry
@languid shard tell IT to start Non-Standard Change procedure to get something else than a Dell
languid shard
I know I know @cloud cobalt
they'd say "not corporate"
last HW we bought was a mixed reality headset
whole quarry
Also demand space on a filestorage server to store the SC data, then it will be included in backups
whole quarry
NSC doesnt care about corprate standards
cloud cobalt
If you're in building industry, really, you can tell them it's like building a skyscrapper without a plan because doing that is actually much better than not using source control
languid shard
well I do have access to space on a local server, but having worked with it a few times on unreal, it makes the editor slow as fuck
saving takes ages, even if we are linked with gb ethernet
whole quarry
Its just for SC, only on commit and download
cloud cobalt
I'd rather have my skyscrapper collapse onto thousands, killing by the score, devastating the economy because at least it's not a problem I could have solved in 5 minutes
Source control is
whole quarry
On a LAN connection it shouldnt be slow at all
whole quarry
If they run a G3 server, then its ok to be slow..
Which would be like 15+ years old
languid shard
well they recently upgraded with SSD bays
and full gigabyte
because people were complaining about very slow data transfers
it got better for sure
but not enough to put the project files on it
I'll give a shot at SC on it though
yall use external source control, not the one included in UE right ?
whole quarry
I currently use a older version of Perforce (since it can run on WinXP 32bit)
languid shard
never used perforce, only stuff like tortoise so far
I heard that its a lot more adapted to UE4 sc though
whole quarry
I found turtoise to add more mess than usefulness to me
frank escarp
you have literally no excuse to not use source control
you can run a 100% online perforce server
on a raspberry pi
costs 30-40 euros
you just plug it straight into the router, and follow Allars guide about how to put a perforce server
languid shard
are you freaking kidding me
firewall blocks allar's blog now T_T
bullshit
they restrained web usage even more recently
grim sinew
Use your phone
languid shard
and I had to ask for a "VIP" account to just get access to steam, Epic servers for the launcher and social networks
whole quarry
Lol
languid shard
the company was attacked not long before I joined, and they have their butts clenched now as they almost lost everything
whole quarry
Is that a question?
cloud cobalt
@plush yew DX10-compatible GPU
Meaning most GPUs on the market, basically all GPUs since 2014 or so
plush yew
why doesnt my Quadro FX 3800 work with the software
languid shard
'cause its a shader model 4 card
tall pendant
It supports only dx10
frank escarp
wow thats old
languid shard
one whole giga of memory
frank escarp
languid shard
frank escarp
a QUADRO with 1 gb of mem
plush yew
is it old?
frank escarp
quadros usually have insane amounts of memory