minecraft is really good for imagination, especially for kids
#ue4-general
ionic oxide
plush yew
@whole quarry 17 is pretty much kid
grim sinew
If you have something against kids or people that play games as if they're kids, you're in the wrong industry. All we all do is make digital toys.
High budget, digital toys.
plush yew
well doesnt matter
grim sinew
Not really.
plush yew
need for speed took whole team of experienced programmers to make
and hotwheels is some plastic small car
fathom gale
make wot
fierce tulip
@plush yew seriously, if you can only claim random thoughts as facts, please shut up
try listening to your peers for once
frank escarp
he is annoying as fuck in game dev lounge discord too
fierce tulip
im totes fine with him being here, but if you are just starting out as a gamedev its rather..
having opinions is fine, but only stating self-made-unproven claims..
take a step back, learn, educate yourself, and have fun
mint umbra
The song "Be Humble" just came to mind
fierce tulip
whats that curve called that starts out with not knowing a thing but acting like you know it all until knowing it all and understanding you dont know anything
"the DunningβKruger effect is a cognitive bias where people of low ability have illusory superiority, mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the metacognitive inability of low-ability people to recognize their low-ability; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence."
whole quarry
That is knowledge that could harm snowflakes tho
tall pendant
to be fair Dunning Kruger isn't really recognized in most of psychology IIRC
perhaps its different now tho.
idle sail
So what happened to Neofur? are they coming back?
tall pendant
doubt it. they dropped NeoFur at some point making weird excuses. @idle sail
tall pendant
The Neoglyphic team is moving on to a new, cool adventure! Our new path allows us to push forward with our passion for building great technology and experiences. We will be going through a transition over the coming months and hope to share more details after that time. In the meantime, we will not be selling new NeoFur licenses. Please see our website for more details:
thats the last official thingy i found. idk if they made more statements tho
fierce tulip
its such things that are rather.. annoying. especially in such cases you'd need to give frequent updates in your dealings.
ionic oxide
I believe they received a unreal grant right?
icy vigil
So I'm trying to add blueprints functionality to tiles set / tilemaps during run time of my game where a player can as example : destroy the tiles after clicking on them a number of times. If I need to ask more specifically please let me know , trying my best with English.
plush yew
increase variable by 1 on each click and terminate when variable is 3 for example
icy vigil
@plush yew how do I go about adding bp to the tiles ? I've been searching but it seems to have disappeared or links to resources were closed off
silver crown
@icy vigil You don't add a BP to a tile, the tile is the BP
icy vigil
@silver crown thank you so very much , you saved me alot of hassle
dim arch
RTFM
there are multiple examples of that. Once you read it you wont have to ask these questions and have a better understanding of what you need to do
takes like a couple of days to go through the blueprint section, just read it man, if you arent patient enough to read a manual then you arent gonna get far with bp dude
whole quarry
I've actually always google open while deving
dim arch
yah same
once you have a good understanding of the framework, you can search the answerhub and 99% of what you need to know will be there
if we tell you how to make a tile actorBP and set a variable you will only ask for the next step
set a man on fire he will be warm the rest of his life etc... just RTFM
whole quarry
short life in that example π€
warm mountain
optimization question:
would it be better for me to create a master material for all concrete walls with a parameter to cycle through several concrete textures in a single material and create material instances out of one master material?
or is it better for me to
create a material for each type of concrete texture. I have about 45
dim arch
mat instances are less expensive as for how you do it im not sure
whole quarry
For mental sake, I would base it off an instanced material
warm mountain
gotcha
whole quarry
most important part is the amount of instructions in the material
the higher, the more frame loss
warm mountain
i'll just need to figure out the right nodes to allow me to cycle through the texture files
warm mountain
gotcha
that is simpler than expected haha
i was expecting i had to create an array
or something
whole quarry
If you want to make it procedural, so you wont have to make the instances different manually, then you still have to program something π
warm mountain
that is good though i might be able to standardize 5 master materials from this
whole quarry
but in that case I would advise to take a look in to Structures and Data Tables
warm mountain
ah yups
won't be going procedural on these ones though
these will just be the standard walls
and the map is pretty much the same
procedurals will probably be medkits or other utilities
that randomly generate after sometime when the player moves in and out of zones
i understand that players could possibly exploit that to spawn medkits early so i'm going to have to find a way to prevent that π
whole quarry
You can place Target Points around the levels where those items could spawn, just find them back with tags when you want to select one (randomly) to spawn something there
whole quarry
I never tried those, maybe I should try a course
warm mountain
i'm still a bit messy when it comes to getting my variables right and calling on different blueprints
plush yew
i dislike udemy
warm mountain
to get my stuff right
its cheaper than digital tutors haha
its all i can afford right now π¦
whole quarry
I've only recently started to understand the value of using components π
warm mountain
well there was a free set of tutorials by evileyegames
for ue4
but it was really hard to grasp
plush yew
theres a lot of content in documentation and ue official youtube channel
plus theres WIKI
warm mountain
they assumed you have some basic programming knowledge on that
so i decided to drop 19 bucks at udemy
yea
thing is sometimes i don't understand the lingo or terms
plush yew
and on top of that there are free third party tutorials
warm mountain
and I search all over the place but i can't really find what i'm looking for
so the udemy course is a pretty good guide for me on that
at least i now know better where to look
and what things are called haha
whole quarry
I would assume that the Udemy courses are better supported and somewhat more proffesionally done than the free tutorials (I'm not saying with this that the free ones are bad)
ionic oxide
Some Udemy courses are very well done
warm mountain
eeyups
i mean it really does help imo you get a place where everything is concentrated and leads you from the start
the problem with free tuts is sometimes they jump to many different aspects that you get lost to
or there is a missing link that you ca'nt understand what they mean
whole quarry
The thing I find the mostly annoying with youtube tutorials is the trial and erroring while they record the tutorial
ionic oxide
I agree with you @whole quarry
whole quarry
its great they solve it 10min later in the video, but its 10min of video that the tutorial doesn't need π
warm mountain
sometimes its funny though
i cant remember the channel name
but i saw a dev who had absolutely hilarious trial and error commentary
he goes about pretending he has no idea what his doing but he always does it right at the end
with plenty of bloopers
ionic oxide
Sometimes its good to see someone debugging a code
but this need to be very well done and explanatory
plush yew
depends on the niche, in SEO id rather want free tutorials than rewrited udemy tutorials
they pick trusted source and rewrite their stuff
or reword
whole quarry
And where did you based that on?
plush yew
i compared
latent moth
Has anyone seen this behavior? I have a destructible object with a translucent material (a window), which shows up fine as a destructible mesh. However, If I create a BP out of it, I get this weird thing: https://gyazo.com/1d7f90e11b1431be57cbd0a5c7efb12e
whole quarry
@latent moth did you make the material Two Sided?
latent moth
@whole quarry no
another view: but it's only a cube... https://gyazo.com/24be84e85cddd0defb49a734d9f7ceb7
the mesh is the following: https://gyazo.com/da42a68d225273c11709eb46d33e68a9
proper valley
So.. uh weird question, when working with UI widgets, Specially the scroll box, has anyone had the issue where while vertical is just acts like a vertical box, but the moment you set it to horizontal it works perfectly fine as a scrollbox?
Cus I'm kinda just sitting here a little dumbfounded.
Like so!
Nevermind- I was being daft- its because it was in a Vertical box. I just moved it out and fixed it up.
stoic folio
hey guys
can anyone help me out with a good tutorial on how to get a nice terrain and sky set up?
cuz it looks really fucking washed out rn and unrealistic
high wolf
Hey
I have a problem
I'm trying to import Mixamo animations into Unreal, but the animation is missing
everything else is there except the animation
can someone help me?
languid quarry
Is there any good "one hand" pistol animation pack on the marketplace?
tame rivet
Where I can find the Deticated Server folders and so on because Github.com link inst working
bitter iris
Okay so I have my "Multiplayer Screen" done ish, and wondering if there is documentation on how to setup server join through steam if possible
tardy pilot
Hello everyone, I am new to Unreal engine and I'm not sure where to begin, can anyone suggest a good tutorial series on youtube for the basics of UE4?
grim ore
https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/GettingStarted , pick a quick start.
below that is also a few intro to series
tardy pilot
Thank you very much
whole quarry
@bitter iris try asking in #multiplayer
whole quarry
@glad stone no, all off
glad stone
alright, ill try it there! cheers
icy vigil
@dim arch just read your message, I apologize reading isn't my strong suite especially in English and my original language isn't welcomed here .
I try my best using translations
fossil ore
Does anyone knows If its possible to apply Decal on Skeletal mesh?
Like, will it stick to it?
plush yew
How long will it take to learn unreal?
kindred viper
you will never stop learning unreal. its too complex. What you can do is learn parts of it. What are you into?
plush yew
Money
kindred viper
so a battle royale game with microtransactions then π
plush yew
No
I have my own idea
But i wonder how long will it take before i learn ue4 enough to make that game
kindred viper
I couldnt say unless I knew the game. However a good start is to check out Tom Looman's site and do his C++ Game tutorial. If you don't want to do C++ though, check out the official Unreal youtube channel and start at the beginning
There is a Udemy course too which has a good reputation
frosty bloom
You should change career choice if you are in it for the money. That attitude isnt enough to carry you through what is coming.
kindred viper
8 years ive been doing this and I've barely made anything. I mean less than Β£1000 in total
cuz im stupid
kindred viper
why? My choices. I chose to work with people for free to build my skillset and portfolio. I have 3 released titles now and im working on some pretty cool stuff right now . I have no regrets π
kindred viper
I live within my means and do web development when I get absolutely desperate
plush yew
Oh
whole quarry
a normal day job isn't so bad either
plush yew
Its worst
kindred viper
yeah I hate web dev. It was my mainstay for years but it became a grind. Then when it changed to all jQuery bootstrap clones, I said no more. So I got into games dev full time
whole quarry
With your profit-focus mindset, everything is 'worst'
plush yew
They bully people in job
atomic forge
Hey all, where can I get some help for blueprints?
plush yew
Youtube is good
atomic forge
They don't have what I need. The YouTube tutorials are not very useful when it comes to AI spline steering.
whole quarry
@atomic forge you can try #blueprint
atomic forge
Thanks Remco!
tired island
Dunno if anyone has seen lotus post but i had like to announce we covered level design, sound and concept art people
Now we are only looking for software, programmers and 3d modelers.
opaque salmon
dumb question, my landscape is entirely black when reloading the level when it was pretty well illuminated by a bp_skysphere when I set it up initially, anyone know why?
vague shoal
idle sail
How can I force a character speficially one of these paragon assets to stop LOD'ing
Or change the LoD distance
lost meadow
In the mesh settings
idle sail
Thats where ive been looking π€
idle sail
This has an LOD picker too but doesnt seem to be doing anythign
lost meadow
did you select custom?
idle sail
I think its working now actually just not on the cloth sim
is there a way to change cloth sim distance?
lost meadow
I don't know about that
coarse wigeon
idle sail
Ahh solved it under actor details π
got that was getting annoying lol
Half way through the sequence his cloth sim would just suddenly turn on π
plush yew
Hey guys
novel matrix
hello everyone π
raven gust
grim sinew
vivid vale
Hey, I need help. When i try to build the lighting with unreal engine 4.17.2 it doesn't work. I press the build lighting it opens swarm agent and than nothing. I went to swarm agent and there seems to be a problem with it at first, it fails something and than says invalid namespace. I tryed a lot to fix that this few days. I am using unreal engine for nearly a year and nothing like that happened to me. I really like using unreal engine, please let me know if you can help.
Also I did fix something with swarm that prevented one fail
But there are two
runic flame
not sure where to ask but has anyone here tried line tracing and getting the uv of a skeletal mesh?
vivid vale
Uh
runic flame
@vivid vale i think you should also add some error logs to help (or at least a snippet of the important msg if it's too long)
vivid vale
Here
That is what I got now when I build lighting
Certificate check has failed
:(
And It says there swarm is now running
And then when I press building lighting it says inavild namespace
brave lark
weird question. Is there a way to take a map and have a mini instance of it within the game world? Like If I have players in a dungeon and I want to see the whole dungeon on a table top? Even further could I have mini instances of the players on that map and show their movements?
vivid vale
No one answers here
brave lark
I noticed, I'm always ignored
weary basalt
Its usually because no one has an answer
vivid vale
So no one has an answer on the unreal engine bag I got
No support
I am stuck with that bag
brave lark
I looked into what you posted and I'm not sure why that would happen
vivid vale
I am not sure too
I was using unreal engine for a year now
I learned how to code with blueprints and create things
And than bammm
This bag
trail grotto
Good night, friends.
brave lark
did you update or move files
vivid vale
What
cloud cobalt
@brave lark This isn't exactly an easy question, and chances are the answer isn't "use feature X", so people don't generally have clear answers on this
For example, chances are you don't really want the actual map displayed twice
You might want a simplified, low-poly version
So it's bound to be very dependent on how your game works
brave lark
what if the map is low poly
cloud cobalt
@brave lark The problem is how do you deal with lights, player spawns, camera, gameplay objects, etc - you can't just have a second level instance because not all level objects are going to be relevant.
sturdy star
@brave lark that is quite an indepth problem and the simple answer would probably be: no you can't just instance the map into a smaller space and then show the characters. you could look at a render target and draw the whole map onto a smaller texture - do some post on it to make it look ok and hack something in for the characters - some giant icon parallel to the render camera that only gets rendered by that capture camera, update it only when characters are looking at the map.
OR simplygon all static meshes in the dungeon and use some maths to place and move representations of the characters in the smaller 'map'
cloud cobalt
What you can do is design your level geometry as a Blueprint object, put it once in the level, and another as a camera-fixed object
You can also render the entire, actual level with a camera actor, onto a render target
Heavier performance cost, but easier to setup
To be clear, this isn't easy to do, and has constraints on the level. Not many games do this.
brave lark
bassically trying to do this but you can pop into the level at a specific area
and you don't move from that area
and then pop out again
sturdy star
ok, let's think
mint umbra
Didnt Skyrim do this? Excluding the players
brave lark
theres also the spectator mode pawn
sturdy star
they used a low poly version of the game world with basic representations of the architectural details, and it probably took some art a month to do
brave lark
which if I use world scale shouldn't bother anything
mint umbra
Hmmm yeah
brave lark
I could use Simplygon to make a LOD version of the world
cloud cobalt
I think the two obvious, production-ready answers would be
- do a separate low-poly version of the level, with baked lighting, single mesh, etc - Splatoon, most games do this
- use a camera actor to film the level and do some post-production onto the render target
brave lark
I don't feel like that's needed though, the map is already low poly
sturdy star
what we did in another studio, that had a huge city that changed constantly, overnight we had a script that exported every object over a certain size, combined it into a single mesh and auto unwrapped it, baked some basic AO and popped it back into game for use in the 3d map menu
cloud cobalt
The problem isn't low-poly really, the problem is lighting (you don't want any dynamic lighting on that), and the number of draw calls (you only want one)
brave lark
there isn't dynamic lighting
cloud cobalt
The single combined mesh with baked lighting approach is time consuming but optimal for performance and quality
sturdy star
but there are probably a lot of lightmaps, and you can;t easily apply those to a low poly version of the level, is what he is saying
cloud cobalt
Even if you only have 100 objects in the level, it's still a lot too many objects for a map
sturdy star
ah i mean it might be ok if the surrounding room is quite simple
brave lark
so then I switch lighting to one overhead light that isn't replicated
there is no room
sturdy star
i mean i wouldnt do it on console, but PC probably works just about
brave lark
the whole table would be on this
brave lark
cloud cobalt
Splatoon does this
Separate, custom-designed single mesh
They still have players, and even the paint levels
brave lark
VR player stands here and does his thing and then pops in when he can and pops out
sturdy star
right
brave lark
the VR player is in a void essentially
plush yew
@kindred viper but cant you make pretty much anything if you are in 8 yrs already
sturdy star
i mean, i have a ridiculous suggestion
put that 'void area' into the atual level, hide it when the player is in the dungeon part, when they 'pop out' enable visibility on this void area mesh, and teleport the VR player to a pawn location overlooking everything
sturdy star
you'll render the entire level and it'll run like shit on VR, but some lods and hiding small objects could help?
brave lark
so I though maybe have big pawn version and small pawn version and trade possesion
sturdy star
but if the big pawn is outside the dungeon, what are they looking at in the dungeon - as far as trackign a player - are there multiple players?
brave lark
why would it run like shit though, the game is literally the same poly as castle must be mine and that game ran damn fine
sturdy star
why not have a big mesh as part of the smaller player pawns that is only visible to the big pawn
ah i mean when you are inside the dungeon you have culling of objects unless it;s one giant room
brave lark
it is essentially a few big rooms connected by bridges in open areas so sort of one big room
kind of like this
cloud cobalt
@brave lark The problem with an additional 3D map is that rendering many objects still has a cost, even if they're very light objects. Rendering 100 objects is much worse than just one, even if the one has 5 times the poly count as the sum of the 100.
sturdy star
hmm yeah questionable, it's definitely going to cost you to render everything, VR is super picky about framerate to make it feel good. but you could set a screen% for hiding small objects that can be culled when you are looking down at everything
sturdy star
like, try it out, if it works to not build a small level mesh then great, you save yourself time
cloud cobalt
Just because other games run fine doesn't mean shit about your own game
Getting a game to run fine isn't just about visual quality
brave lark
it is my own game
cloud cobalt
Especially in VR
brave lark
and it is vr
sturdy star
it's all good, we can chill
i get what you are saying, so try out a big pawn looking down at the whole level - if it works then great!
brave lark
so what if I use one mega texture for color samples that everything has UV's on, and then uses instances of simple meshes to save cost
sturdy star
if it doesn;t then you have options to fall back on to optimise until it does, without having to rely on a lodded world mesh, cause your void area is very basic
that sounds like an insane amount of work
when simplygon would do that for you - just set up a hierarchical lod
that includes the entire level etc
and bake it all onto a couple of materials
brave lark
again, same poly level as castle must be mine, thats not that much work to add a splash of color to a image file and then pull it into blender and lay the objects UV's over it
sturdy star
ah sure but unreal has built in tools to do that boring work for you
brave lark
true, simplygon is actually broken in this engine version though
brave lark
is that the new 4.19
vivid vale
Please someone help
sturdy star
say 4.13
vivid vale
I want to keep coding with unreal engine
brave lark
I had to remove simplygon because my c++ projects could not compile or generate .sln files while it was in the pluggins folder
in 4.17 it's fine though, but I am working in 4.19
vivid vale
...
sturdy star
what do you want help with...
vivid vale
I already said up there
brave lark
it doesn't, but if you want to get the tedious work part done you use simplygon (now owned by microsoft)
vivid vale
I have a problem where I can't build lighting
brave lark
their swarm has an invalid namespace
cloud cobalt
@vivid vale Might want to put a full post on AnswerHub with pictures of the errors, more information etc and then post it here
brave lark
it's probably pointing to the wrong engine version
cloud cobalt
Your message isn't super clear right now about what happens
"something about namespace" isn't helpful to debug
Be sure to share the link with images, engine log, etc
brave lark
close your swarm, go into you binaries/dotnet folder for UE4 of your current version and open that one and see what happens
cloud cobalt
Still needs pics of errros, engine log
cloud cobalt
The output log is 100% helpful for basically every issue
sturdy star
vivid vale
Swarm is running
brave lark
lol not for my simplygon issue, that took me weeks
vivid vale
When I press it doesn't work
brave lark
press what? It is not a viable descriptive word
cloud cobalt
@vivid vale And you're running 4.17 for your game too ?
vivid vale
Ya
cloud cobalt
Really though, the output log for the engine is still super important
vivid vale
When I press build lighting
cloud cobalt
Not just Swarm's
vivid vale
Nothing shows up at unreal
brave lark
have you restarted your computer yet
brave lark
what folder is your project stored in? it could be too many characters
cloud cobalt
Still, could you put the output log on pastebin ?
vivid vale
Too many characters?
brave lark
too long a name
sturdy star
epic suggested goign thru this post: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/196415/lighting-not-building-swarm-seems-to-be-the-cause.html
brave lark
windows issues
brave lark
did you ever update your engine version
cloud cobalt
Yeah that answerhub post suggests it's a Windows bug
brave lark
also dungeon rooms will be like this size btw
thats really it, like 4 of those
I hate that lava...
next owl
Hello, I have a problem.
How can I create a widget so that it fits on every cellphone so not distorted?
whole quarry
use anchros
sturdy star
@brave lark yeah i think you should just try it out and see if it works without lodding to a single mesh for the entire level, if it works then great, if it runs poorly you can start by agressively lodding small screen percentage objects when viewed fromt he big pawn
look into the safe area widget too, it will help your stuff not go outside the screen
next owl
thank you π
plush yew
do you guys think including pay2win is good, in online game
its more money but less players
brave lark
I think we need less of those
plush yew
ye but you get more profit
brave lark
bad for industry
whole quarry
@plush yew why dont you go mine bitcoins if you're only here for the money
sturdy star
i think if you are asking those kind of questions you aren;t making a game that will either get finished or succeed
plush yew
mining cryptos from single pc wont work
whole quarry
making a game for only money wont work either
sturdy star
sorry to be harsh, but you're not going to get rich making games
cloud cobalt
Yeah
plush yew
i dont need to get rich
just some profit
anyway most mmorpgs are pay2win, like 90% of them
cloud cobalt
The huge majority of indies would make more money working at McDonalds than making games
sturdy star
become a sex worker, it;s probably more stable work and better income
plush yew
@sturdy star i think since tinder is around, male prostitutes will become obsolete
theres free and better quality
sturdy star
but sure do pay2win, but have a look at the games on steam that have those models, they are almost universally negative ratings and massively low player counts
whole quarry
so, no gamedev skills, new to ue4, ask more questions about making profit than how to use ue4 to make a game, Cars X Diablo 1 idea and first game is MMO... this is memable
cloud cobalt
Go for quality, great experience, great game that people remember. Pay to win is fine for a great, great game people can't stop palying
But it will instantly kill your game if it's not really great
plush yew
remco thanks for tellign everyone about my idea
plain forge
You should watch indie game the movie and see the amount of work they put in
whole quarry
you're welcome
plush yew
i knew a game rohan online where with time devs went all crazy and they made super weapons for over 100 usd each
or maybe even more than that lol
but game itself was awesome
cloud cobalt
@plush yew To answer the question seriously : no one buys additional content in a game that doesn't have many thousands of players already
People buy skins or OP weapons because there are other players to impress & oppress
cloud cobalt
Very, very few indie games can get to that level of population ever
next owl
Thank you Remco and
Rick for helping.
But can one create games with pocket money?
whole quarry
you can make a game without making any costs
enough proper tools that are free now-a-days
GIMP for texturing, Blender for modeling
whole quarry
I don't think Blender Game Engine is really usuable
sturdy star
is this a troll btw? i mean
surreal viper
or Unreal
brave lark
hell you could make something cool in magica voxel
whole quarry
@sturdy star It must be..
cloud cobalt
Yeah, Blender for games isn't serious, saying it as a hardcore Blender user
brave lark
unreal has royalteeeeeeee
surreal viper
yeah but you won't earn money so who cares π
next owl
oh srry Google translate i meen improve my pocket mony
brave lark
he wants big profit remember so hes obviously going to hit that margin where he has to pay epic
π
cloud cobalt
Royalties aren't costs, and if you have to pay royalties, you already had to pay a lot of other stuff in the first place
whole quarry
@brave lark The royalty is from 3K per quarter, so still not a cost upfront, only when you make profit your own
brave lark
I'm aware lol I have a shipped title
it was sarcasm
which I can't understand very well so Idk why i use it
cloud cobalt
UE4's 5% royalty is peanuts compared to distribution royalties
whole quarry
30% is a big chunk
cloud cobalt
Especially comparing the engineering teams at Epic and at Valve
Epic's is 10 times larger
whole quarry
But if I look at Google Store or Steam, you get something back for that 30%
next owl
UE4's 5% royalty is peanu
cloud cobalt
Steam has something like 15 permanent employees assigned, for those wondering
cloud cobalt
quarter
plush yew
what is quarter
cloud cobalt
Uuuh, three months
cloud cobalt
Well no
whole quarry
sure
plush yew
3k usd is 9000PLN in my country
thats enough for 4 month rent
oh wait its more than that
brave lark
bruh XD
plain forge
I feel like this is just a joke now
whole quarry
Just now? I was thinking that 2 days ago π
brave lark
you pay them royaltees IF YOU MAKE THAT MUCH
next owl
Can I create games with Unreal Engine to improve my pocket money?
cloud cobalt
Don't forget about taxes, dollar-to-local money conversion fees, Steam's royalties, etc
whole quarry
With an eye on the GDL discord, its a big joke
plain forge
I just dropped in like 10 min ago lol
brave lark
well yes you technically could, but you would need to advertise all over instagram like those other shit titles
plush yew
what
mint umbra
Holy shit
brave lark
you pay them to advertise you
plush yew
i can do it myself
whole quarry
@plain forge I woke up early not to miss anything
plain forge
How far back do I need to go to get to the beginning of this tale lol?
plush yew
Why r u rude
brave lark
not that far
plain forge
Not trying to be rude just curious
whole quarry
On the top right of Discord there is a Search function π
brave lark
really though, instead of pocket money, how do I make this my full time job
whole quarry
Drop in there a name or a text and you'll see the full history
brave lark
even only for a few years
whole quarry
@brave lark Depends, do you want to join a studio or make your own
plain forge
I work in IT automation, not game industry but my advice would be start anywhere and just a get a foot in the door
brave lark
bank account and accountant attached
plush yew
IT automation is awesome
plain forge
you cant just leap into the position you want from scratch
brave lark
also I'm 23 and self taught
plush yew
for emarketing
whole quarry
Then its a time of thinking of a great enjoyable product and put all your life, blood and sweat in it. Then add more tears, fail a few hundred of times before perfecting it, and finally you'll make something that survives long enough to see the joy of a few happy gamers
plush yew
you can just automate instagram accs and anything
next owl
starkium thats my dream π
brave lark
I have several in the works
had to put one on hold for the moment because I'm working on a contract
whole quarry
Big problem is the determination
If you cant dedicate yourself on 1 project, it wont ever finish
plain forge
^
brave lark
incorrect
whole quarry
Also, knowing about the Technical Game Design Documentation is usefull too. Its where you write your game out fully in text
brave lark
I teach myself by focusing on a specific goal when I make a project
wary wave
it's hard enough to get one product out the door
brave lark
whispers I like low poly though...
plain forge
it makes a huge difference if you can visualize what your planning to do, and then execute it and follow through
brave lark
doing it
whole quarry
Thats thy the TGDD is so important
plush yew
i have pseudocode in my head
whole quarry
it's the red line troughout the development proces
cloud cobalt
@whole quarry After spending close to four years on a game, I definitely can support this. Determination is important π
Writing about all gameplay features is even better
Knowing your scope is key to finishing
mint umbra
Damn Im envious, Im not able to pseudocode or anything at all, even thoygh Ive been using the engine for two years
brave lark
At the moment I have short term projects I'm doing to learn the ins and outs and then I will take on larger projects
is it ok to post a link to my website here?
whole quarry
no
plain forge
@mint umbra its not like your writing the entire thing out, its just a rough outline
whole quarry
you can share you Work In Progresses pieces in #work-in-progress tho
brave lark
is for the purpose of showing what I mean by small projects
as far as a talk about scope
mint umbra
Yeah, okay. Ive seen dev vlogs where people write out the math on paper and Im like Β«Eeeh okΒ»
What I do in BPs atm is write up some nodes and watch it fail until I get it right. Its gotten easier, but I think Im just not set for the logical math thinking haha. Sweat and tears all the way
cloud cobalt
To give some context, I've started a game with what looked like a clear idea to me, 4 years ago. "Just like X, but with more Y". But really, nothing was decided about how exactly the detail of the mechanics would work, and subtle changes snowball into big gameplay-changing propositions. Saying "Battle Royale with zombies", for example, looks easy but you then need to address many questions. How do zombie behave ? To they converge toward players ? Do they weight successful players ? Are they network-friendly ? How many zombies can be displayed at once on the target hardware ?
(my game wasn't a zombie BR, just an example here)
next owl
Thank you for your help. You are really a nice comunity.
plush yew
your welcome xxskillsxx
cloud cobalt
It's super important to really write about all of that and think before you start coding, which is easy
plush yew
we love helping
next owl
π
plain forge
This is much better than the source community lol, I was a fanboy forever until recently
whole quarry
@cloud cobalt dont we all start with waaaaaaaaay to ambitious ideas? π
mint umbra
Yeah. Before I begin I know what I want to achieve mechanics-wise, but getting all that down in math can be tricky
plush yew
what is source comunity?
whole quarry
@plush yew its in the name. Community of the Source engine
plush yew
oh
plain forge
the source engine (hl2, counter strike, tf2)
surreal viper
I think it is okay to start with unrealistic ideas if you fix them as you go π€
plush yew
game
mint umbra
Heck, Im building an MMORPG and its unrealistic as hell, but Im having a lot of fun making it, and I think thats the point of all this
plush yew
yeah im making mmorpg too
whole quarry
Having fun is a big part, but its sad to see when people throw in the towel when they discover the scope is too big for them to handle at their level
surreal viper
yeah, as long as you just learn your stuff I think it is okay
it will never be a finished project but you have way more fan doing it
And you can always do a small project just for the sake of finishing something later on
plush yew
it can be finished project
i saw UE4 multiplayer blueprint and its more in "match system" instead of open world
cloud cobalt
The problem with a MMO is that it's never going to really work at indie scale, so it's always disappointment even if the game works fine
surreal viper
biggest hit was for me when I realized that "too big scope" + "I'm doing it anyway" = poor quality
whole quarry
I dropped/shelved some projects due to that reason
surreal viper
as it takes too much time to do stuff properly
so I would either have to spend my entire life on those big scoped ideas
well on one π
brave lark
is there a step between standard multiplayer and MMO
cuz thats a sweet spot indie should be in
whole quarry
Not 1 step, more like a canyon
surreal viper
I wouldn't even work on multiplayer as indie tbh
brave lark
like an MMO with only 48 players
whole quarry
thats not a MMO tho π
cloud cobalt
@brave lark The sweet spot for indies is 2-3 players, play-with-friends
brave lark
we all think things when we hear mmo
cloud cobalt
Solo game that friends can join
mint umbra
Its such a big project that Im learning a lot of stuff Ive never heard about, and thats enjoyable. Thing is, all tutorials are singleplayer based for game mechanics, so atm my game is only a RPG hah
cloud cobalt
Realistically, many indies will never have 48 online players
brave lark
thats dedicated server areas
with vr though you actually could if the devs were able to RP characters in VR
mint umbra
Yeah thats true, but following the statistics wont do us any good ;) I mean, to be able to even get players you need to advertise and thats a cost you gotta weigh up
brave lark
different story that you book a session for
yeah no more than 8 players max is my territory
my games don't go past 4 at the moment though, aside from this one I was talking about earlier and thats 5 players
mint umbra
But youre building small levels arent you? Like a topdown RPG or something?
brave lark
yeah for this one
plain forge
Quick question, is there a reason I cant click view documentation on nodes in the BP editor?
brave lark
simple mechanics high mobility
plain forge
its always greyed out
brave lark
join local game and possibly from your phone on same wifi connections
good couch party game
mint umbra
I got a 20x20km landscape with a lot of biomes, so the playable area is a bit bigger :)
mint umbra
Nice
whole quarry
With all this multiplayer talk, I'm feeling like throwing a try at it
its a pain tho..
brave lark
Duality is going to be fairly large, but in a windwaker sort of way
mint umbra
I havent even started networking my game π€
brave lark
it's not a pain to implement, it's a pain to balance
same lol
but I know peoples who have had extensive talks with me about it
and also I own too many udemy courses
mint umbra
Do you recommend udemy courses?
whole quarry
Did you guys read this Network Compendium https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/community-content-tools-and-tutorials/83720-free-network-compendium-gets-you-started-with-multiplayer-current-version-1-5-0
brave lark
notch above youtube content and you can get them for $10 if you're patient for sales
I have that as well
mint umbra
I havent had a look at them, but the UE4 multiplayer tutorial seems a bit short for my needs, not that theyre not good or anything
Yeah Ive read that compendium, its great
brave lark
what are your needs
bitter iris
For some reason my buttons arent showing up in standalone any ideas why?
They show up in selected viewport
plush yew
i was wondering about solution where players create their own rooms (so they host it, not me = more players) but player doesnt start with 0 every time, their items would be saved on main server
and other progress
whole quarry
like DayZ?
brave lark
@plush yew you can easily save and load variables
if you just had to ask how to do that you aren't even ready for this
plush yew
because one single open world is too overwhelming i think
bitter iris
@brave lark What did you mean by ticked
plush yew
it couldlag or something
brave lark
its ticked
enabled and also visible
do you have something in your bp that hides those buttons when pressed?
bitter iris
This is on clicked
next owl
Has sombody a idear how i can select the level blueprint as a target? (for a Event message)
bitter iris
Visibility is set and is enabled
brave lark
hmm
whole quarry
@next owl you cant
next owl
ok
next owl
but how i can create a widget with out the level blueprint?
whole quarry
you can do it from the GameMode or the PlayerController or the Pawn
fathom gale
make the table smaller
brave lark
@fathom gale you are the dungeon master
brave lark
don't know that game, but probably not
fathom gale
p2w?
brave lark
it's more like castle must be mine but against players who play on controller
small party game
brave lark
hopefully will have a playable demo this week. something super simple just to get a feel
I feel like I can do this with level streaming still
but I'm going to try the simple way first
table needs to be bigger for sure
quasi lake
Anyone knows anything about this?
tranquil sierra
hey guys
whole quarry
hello
plain forge
Is there a simple way to draw overlays?
quasi lake
plain forge
I have a sphereoverlaycomponents, just want to see it while I debug, didnt know if theres a simple solution
quasi lake
Mode-Adaptive Neural Networks for Quadruped Motion Control
frank escarp
@quasi lake neural nets for anims are starting to become absolute hax
tranquil sierra
quick question.. is there another way that a camera follows a player without a boom? π I imported and camera with a special blueprint.. but he doesn't wants to follow my character and I can't imort this one into my character blueprint i can only create a new :p
frank escarp
its a quite perfect problem for neural nets
essentially you have state_in -> anim_weights out
fathom gale
that wolf looks gud
frank escarp
in those , they are sending the path to the neural net
plush yew
yeah id make him loot leather
quasi lake
oh
frank escarp
and the neural net spits out the exact weight blend of the animations
plush yew
for leather armor
frank escarp
its basically an automatically made anim tree
combine it with some extra IK and lookat constraints, and you can get unbelieable results
the technique was used for the locomotion in For Honor
you can see clearly how smooth the movement animations look
frank escarp
no
nor in any engine
it is doable, but you would have to implement this technique yourself
quasi lake
ok
frank escarp
i would love to try it, but i dont have the needed datasets
this stuff needs to be trained from a BROAD amount of mocap animations
the more animations you throw at it, the better and smoother the result
quasi lake
Sounds like auto-generated terrian tools
brave lark
the handling of a level that contains a level inside of it that is scaled
bitter iris
Any ideas why im getting this
runic flame
not sure but try looking at your gamemode maybe and check the default player controller
or world settings in your map
bitter iris
Okay but now I got that error gone, it now shows up my in game HUD over my menu
lol
sturdy star
@brave lark i dont know how sublevels would solve the issue
cedar snow
@quasi lake where did you find that picture? would like to read up on it...
cedar snow
@quasi lake thanks
quasi lake
welcome
silent kraken
@bitter iris I had this issue. It is to do with the HUDs overlapping as both are added on the screen. I created a separate map for the main menu to override the HUD.
bitter iris
Ahh
I got it to hide, but now my mouse isnt showing
everythings just going wrong ffs
silent kraken
Same issue I had.
bitter iris
Guessing im going to have to recreate the gamemode, player stuff also
silent kraken
I haven't fixed it yet. So sorry I am not much help xD
silent kraken
really, that is it XD
surreal viper
I spawn static mesh components in blueprint construction script and call SetMobility() with static on the result
it still won't work with light baking, any idea why?
silent kraken
@bitter iris yeah, that does actually work XD
silent kraken
of course, you can always reference the player controller in another places
bitter iris
ive been following tuts for the last 16 hours and now it all broke
silent kraken
@bitter iris I don't follow them for that very reason XD
tried, it worked then completely broke
let me guess, Virtus???
silent kraken
huh, never seen this tutorial
silent kraken
uh, oh. What you break now XD
bitter iris
lol
ive had no sleep for like 18 hours ish so my brain is all over the place
i just wnana get this multiplayer done
brittle gulch
Hi guys, I have some character classes that share the same parent with basic variables such as health, damage, walk speed etc... but they also have their own variables in their child classes. I'd like to make a manager class where I can tweak all those variables at once, what's the best way of doing that?
plain forge
Am I missing something or is there no* way to just a set a float in blueprint
I was using absolute but I need a negative float value
digital anchor
just put your variable on the graph and select set
plain forge
I knew I was missing something lol, forgot about that, thank you
digital anchor
if you want to make it negative multiply by -1
@brittle gulch if they are different variables you would change them one by one, if they all are the same variables, you could create a component for them, or put them on the parent class
brittle gulch
@digital anchor the component way is a cool Idea. Otherwise I just thought about data table and struct ? Is it a performant way?
digital anchor
oh you wanna pull the values from somewhere else, sure, you can create a data table and set some values, inside your actor just get those values
brittle gulch
Yes that's what I want to do. π And when I get them into the actor. Is it better to get them all at once like in the construction script or at event begin play? Or fetch them only when I need them?
digital anchor
construction/beginplay would be easier if you are using them multiple times
brittle gulch
okay okay. Thanks, I'll go that way!
plush yew
ue4 built in tutorials about blueprints are so messed up. text is repetetive and they explain previous versions
so confusing
kindred viper
@plush yew in response to your question from last night, Im capable enough to do most coding and logic tasks. But I've still got a lot to learn. Thats how it is in games dev, and the reason I love it. You learn everyday or you get left behind.
plush yew
i have to profit on gamedev in one month or my parents will kick me
whole quarry
prepare to get kicked
cloud cobalt
More like one year
If all goes well
I've been doing gamedev for just a decade when I started making money from it
Though admittedly I could have been quicker
And I didn't started today where things are much easier
digital anchor
with a MMO, its even more
wary wave
takes an experienced person at least 5-6 months to make a decent small game
most will take much longer
cloud cobalt
That's just on gameplay
I have no idea what kind of decent game would take less than half a year to create, just on gameplay work
kindred viper
I just spent 3 days trying to fix one issue that wasn't possible. Im not sure if I suck, or thats just part of gamedev in general. Im swinging more towards I suck because I realised halfway through and carried on thinking I could beat the impossible anyway
cloud cobalt
Look at the game Boss Key put out in 5 months with 100 developers
Completely broken, despite being pretty much copypasta
There are 20 times more games than the audience really demands, no one wants to bother with low-quality titles anymore
plush yew
exactly
so make it mmo
and they will try it just to see how bad it is, then they will stay for longer
cloud cobalt
Or not
digital anchor
wut
kindred viper
If you want to make a game that would sell right now. Make a Boxing game that is of the level of the old Fight Night games. People are screaming out for EA to bring it back
and it will happen
wary wave
you'd need some budget to manage that though
I'd consider that to be well out of the scope of most small developers
kindred viper
yeah if its official license for sure
whole quarry
Fight Night was awesome @kindred viper I still play Fight NIght 3 occasionly π
plush yew
lmao
wary wave
ignoring the license, just things like the animation system and assets would be hellishly costly
whole quarry
the arm movement with the analog sticks is brilliant
kindred viper
yeah it was a nice game but I moved onto UFC games and never looked back. Now the UFC game is pay-per-punch and I wont play it
frank escarp
the thing with such a game is that you would need mocap, realism, and very very good animated physics
this is outside the realm of indies
kindred viper
why?
frank escarp
for a realistic UFC/boxing/etc game
the physics need custom research: expensive. Mocap is expensive, realistic players models arent that easy
you can get 90% of the way there in a gamejam tho
kindred viper
it could be done with the right people though
frank escarp
if you make a more arcadey version thats pretty easy to make
but then its more like a typical fighting game
whole quarry
What about mocapping with a kinect? π
kindred viper
or just buying mocap already made :p
it would be an interesting project to do in terms of the physics though. Blending mocap anims into IK reactions and applying physics sounds like fun
frank escarp
@kindred viper yeah, you can use unreal engine animated physics
kindred viper
^^ ignore this guy. Hes a stalker
frank escarp
that would get you a very nice % of the way
kindred viper
not vblanco. The other dude
whole quarry
@gray basin usually with a crowbar
frank escarp
instant deletion what
whole quarry
Eh
kindred viper
hes a psycho man
cloud cobalt
@plush yew Seriously though, if the goal is to be commercially successful with game development, here are some hints with my humble experience on this.
- have a very small scope (no or almost no multiplayer, no complicated physics, no humanoid characters, no balancing-heavy RPG stuff)
- have a great idea that resonates with people, like Kerbal Space Program or Besiege. Build a rocket, build a medieval siege machine, etc.
- write down everything down to the detail until you're confident you could give it to someone else and the result would be what you expect.
- focus on quality, listen to players, assume they know better and turn every critic into a fan by actually improving based on feedback
- give it a year.
digital anchor
"no humanoid character" i remember when i started making a game, first thing: modeling a human, worst idea of my life
wary wave
tbh, when you say 'small scope', I would generally avoid projects that involve creating things you don't already know how to do
outside of project scope, budget time to learn things you don't already know
kindred viper
hah that explains a lot
wary wave
as a small time solo or indie dev, R&D is expensive and risky, so keep it out of projects
plush yew
actually listening to feedback is good idea
and i agree with all the points
except year
whole quarry
@gray basin not really
kindred viper
it explains why he made 3 accounts to badger me when I blocked him . It explains why hes making Crash Bandicoot and PMing people to do work for him for free.
13 year old game dev π
warm mountain
hey guys is there a way for UE4 to check a project that is released if it contains pirated assets?
like how autodesk has cryptographs in their marketplace products
to catch doubles?
plush yew
@cloud cobalt what kind of games do u profit on?
gray basin
yeah I don't think working on a fan game is wrong
kindred viper
@warm mountain probably. You could do it a few ways
gray basin
I mean there is heaps of others
whole quarry
@gray basin no one said it is tho?
cloud cobalt
@plush yew I only have one commercial game that took me four years, which is more than anyone should spend, but hey, passion project that people love, and I don't need the money right now.
plush yew
can someone give me good advice on make a lowpoly landscape? (Light settings, post process etc)
warm mountain
Anyways i could check without interrogating the crap out of the dude that sent me his project part?
gray basin
yeah I asked heaps of people to help me with coding stuff only got two so far but yeah
you gotta know I am such a good modelller
warm mountain
i paid a gig on fiverr to get some assets done but they look similiar to some assets in the ue4 marketplace
whole quarry
@gray basin maybe @plush yew can help you
kindred viper
@warm mountain not really. I mean you would have to set something up yourself. I think Epic has something going on for marketplace assets but I have never heard about anyone being reprimanded for it
warm mountain
gotcha
cloud cobalt
@warm mountain I don't believe Epic does that. You can probably ask for proof of purchase for some of the assets.
whole quarry
Funky name you got there @gray basin
kindred viper
@cloud cobalt If they don't do it, they should be for sure. I know they send out info from the engine quite a lot though
digital anchor
Anyone know if i can write to a custom buffer from a material? wanted to get some world normal into mobile
whole quarry
Oh the image is gone now
gray basin
yeah it isn't finished yet
cloud cobalt
@plush yew Additionally, if you really just need to make money, get a regular job at a burger place or something, whatever students do in your country, and use the rest of your time to patiently learn gamedev. I'm confident no one ever made money from gamedev the first year they spent working on it.
cloud cobalt
No, because everyone else has Blueprints too
And everyone else is making games too
Just like music & film, most people do it for free because they just love it
And there aren't enough clients for that much offer
gray basin
can you make big money with unreal engine project with out using Trademark characters
a hat in time made a lot of cash
whole quarry
I've the feeling that 4chan is starting to flood this place
cloud cobalt
sigh
gray basin
which uses unreal engine and possibly UDK
cloud cobalt
and ?
whole quarry
what?
gray basin
can the same happen with any unreal engine projects that is finished
digital anchor
and 300k dollars only from kickstarter
gray basin
people said it was a indie game
cloud cobalt
Really though, if money is the goal, don't go into gamedev
That's it
Literally just work at McDonalds
gray basin
noo I am doing this for fun
cloud cobalt
That's great, but then you should forget about money for now, because it's very unlikely to be a money-making thing quickly
Maybe a few years down the road
Just like music
You don't learn to play a guitar thinking you'll be living from it
cloud cobalt
So focus on that, learn from the best, be curious
whole quarry
Also every "impossible" is just another "Difficult challenge"
cloud cobalt
Yeah, I mean, your game idea could be the next PUBG
It's not impossible
Then again, PUBG was also a decade in the making
No one really succeeds by accident, except when new platforms appear from nowhere and the first to release are successful for that alone, like some early mobile games
99% of the time people succeed because they spend years doing it
whole quarry
sigh
plush yew
pubg is really similar to fortnite
kindred viper
nothing is new in games except when new platforms define new concepts
wary wave
lol, what
surreal viper
yeah they saw fornite, travelled back in time, copied it
and then they faked being angry about epic copying them
plush yew
no im just saying they are similar
whole quarry
the japanese movie Battle Royal was also based on Fortnite... common knowledge
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
kindred viper
You know what every Battle Royale game needs? Takeshi Kitano eating a cookie then you get to shoot him.
frank escarp
i find it hilarious there is right now a sword art online anime precisely ABOUT battle royale
plush yew
yea and a cache
frank escarp
the timing couldnt be any more perfect
and the fun part is that it was planned before battle royale was popular
cloud cobalt
@plush yew Fortnite BR is the one that copied PUBG, in case that was unclear
PUBG didn't take it so well
plush yew
oh
cloud cobalt
Fortnite released as a paid game, flopped, and rebooted as a free to play BR game
whole quarry
Is that court case already solved or still ongoing?
kindred viper
If they would take out the building element of Fortnite BR, I would play it more.
whole quarry
you dont seem to like much @plush yew
wary wave
I'd imagine all of PUBGs court cases are ongoing
plush yew
hehe
cloud cobalt
So what do you like as game genres ? Because that's what you should be looking at doing
plush yew
i loved fallout 2 online
there was a lot of ways to develop a character, sleep in tent, keep items there
cloud cobalt
Okay, but as you might have heard, MMOs aren't on the menu for indies
whole quarry
just to bad of the fancy graphics?
plush yew
i also liked tibia
cloud cobalt
Which singleplayer games do you like ?
plush yew
i dont play single player
tired oracle
how do i not launch my game in full screen? Trying to test two instances
pallid compass
u ever made a game before?
cloud cobalt
You must be missing most great games in the world @plush yew
plush yew
in game maker yes
pallid compass
but not in ue4?
pallid compass
if u dont go the exp dont even think about trying to make a multiplayer game
right off the bat
Its like trying to ride a bike before u can walk
its just gonna be a fuck feast, even if u manage to get on the bike
plush yew
im creating a barrel that explodes in blueprint now
cloud cobalt
The simple rule of thumb is that MP makes it 2-5 times longer to create
plain forge
Damn this convo is still going on lol?
pallid compass
we have this convo
at least twice a week
with people
at least
for the past 2 years
surreal viper
this convo never stops π
pallid compass
funny thing is i cant recall 1 indie dev with out the exp who tried this
ever actually finishing there game
cloud cobalt
@plush yew For example, bouncing barrel falling downhill in single-player ? Maybe a day of easy work in Blueprint. MP version that doesn't look like shit ? Heavy, complex replication work that could take two weeks, probably most of it in C++ if you want something maintainable
latent moth
this latter, not really, no. Just hit "replicate" on the mesh XD