Moving linked assets in UE4 is a nightmare .. I am aware of redirectors, but even with fixing them, stuff breaks all the time.
#ue4-general
devout gulch
weak sigil
Tried restarting, checked the target folder to be clean in explorer .. nothing. Any trick to it?
devout gulch
read that
someone here managed to move loads of content
but it still teadious as fuck
idk why assets are referenced by path instead of some GUID
but guess it would require to maitain some backend database
and wouldn't be as fast
wary wave
not sure said database would play nice with version control?
devout gulch
probabaly not, you would need centralized server to manage all assets
and in the end during cooking you would still need to convert everything to use direct paths
weak sigil
It should just generate messages telling you why it wans't able to move.. That can't be that hard to implement ..
Ideally it would not need to do that though...
wary wave
I've never not been able to move an asset
devout gulch
moving assets is the easy part
remembering that there is redirecr left is different story
and that it can collide with asset you are trying to move
weak sigil
And praying it all still works after you restart .. had it all moved and working - Then restart engine and get missing materials errors
Ah cool .. that link probably explains how to avoid that
ty @devout gulch
devout gulch
no problem
tall pendant
dawn linden
@weak sigil Worth checking that the asset itself isn't already corrupt. I had the exact same thing happen yesterday with silent failures, but it turned out it was because the asset wasn't actually loadable (was old and based on c++ class that had changed a lot).
weak sigil
That shouldn't be it. It is actually the default anim blueprint with some changes I'm trying to make conform to my folder standards. I can open it fine
No non-blueprint code yet
Ok i figured out a workaround -- copied the anim bp and then deleted the old one, replacing references in the error msg popup
May have had to do with having used Perforce before, but not anymore
harsh thistle
@here I need real help for the uvs of a door model i created...i am not good at uvs but if someone is free enough to solve my little problem...for this noob.....PM me..i would be glad if someone helps me out...
surreal viper
I try to spawn stuff based on timers from different spawners, and they got desychnronized from each other after a time
my theory is that it happens because each time a timer is off and I start the new timer I loose the time which remained from that given frame update, can that be right?
can I start a new timer after an old one just fired? or will it be always fired at the begining or end of a frame?
is it possible to make ms correct timing via timers starting one after the other is fired, or do I have to implement my own timing logic for it?
frank escarp
@surreal viper i just did that "manually" for a weapon system
counting deltatime from tick
was able to fire 200 bullets per second on a single weapon at 90 fps
(so more than 2 bullets per tick, at the correct locations)
cinder iron
If you need constant timers synchronised you can always Set the priaryactortick to whatever your spawnrate is and run both spawning functions on tick runing on a low-freq
If you dont actually have anything else on tick ofc
surreal viper
I don't want to use tick
I only spawn once in a few sec
anyway I checked on time manager, I guess i'll have to implement my own
cursive dirge
@surreal viper you realize that unreals timers run ON tick
cloud cobalt
Everything does, really
surreal viper
yes
but I want to use one tick for this timing thing
and not the tick of every single actor
cinder iron
A tick updating every second is... Cheap
surreal viper
who spawns
cinder iron
If your actor doesnt rely on anything mechanic wise using tick
You can take profit of that
If your timers you say are executed continuously on your game
Actually would be better in that case because you dont need a timer handle and anything that goes with declaring a timer
surreal viper
those actors don't but I am not sure if that will be always the case, I'll consider it, thx for the advice
cinder iron
Np :)
frank escarp
@surreal viper create a custom timer manager
weak sigil
"A tick updating every second is" -- Is this about using ticks with deltas, or how would that look?
cinder iron
^
surreal viper
I think a generic timer manager which also handles in frame time will be my way to go
cinder iron
@weak sigil no, setting the primaryactortick to whatever rate u need
harsh thistle
Guys can someone recommend uv mapping tutorials ..... from which i can learn in depth uv mapping???
weak sigil
ah cool, I was wondering why some ticks are slower ๐
kindred dawn
yea some uv mapping would be great like, how to make a box with hollow inside but have the uv/collision not be a box
or a wall with a doorway that you can go through
empty plank
Not exactly what I was hoping for but it's better than nothing. https://youtu.be/fY7YONl9AwY
keen birch
That's not in any way related to UVs though... @kindred dawn
kindred dawn
im pre sure collisions go hand in hand with uv maps
cloud cobalt
Wow
keen birch
I'm pretty sure collisions are a hundred percent unrelated to UV maps
cloud cobalt
Well I hoped they would do it, I'm really happy that they did that @empty plank
I actually didn't hope for as much
keen birch
Didn't expect it
kindred dawn
well thanks for the informative answer then MATE.
keen birch
Unsure if sarcasm
kindred dawn
it is.
kindred dawn
you clearly understood my question and decided to just be an ass ๐
cloud cobalt
@kindred dawn Collisions really are unrelated to UVs :/
keen birch
I'm not an artist, I don't know how to UV properly, any time I make anything in a 3D package it sucks
I know the workflow and how it all works, I just suck at it
kindred dawn
@cloud cobalt evidently lol
keen birch
Second off, I'm still not sure what you'd want, and whether you want UV mapping guides or custom collision guides
cloud cobalt
@kindred dawn If you want to have a box holed so that you can go through it, you might be able to fake that with a material approach, but UVs are still a distant concern here
So you might want to rephrase your question, and refrain from sarcastic comments
keen birch
Your question is phrased in a way I honestly don't get what you want, so it's hard to help even if I can
kindred dawn
and it would seem custom collisions is more what im looking for
keen birch
I suppose the opinions on where it's due vary
cloud cobalt
@kindred dawn Sarcasm is generally uncalled for over here. Ask clear questions, get clear answers from people who've been doing this a lot ๐
kindred dawn
generally im sure
keen birch
If the question was clear I'd have been able to give a clear answer, as I've been doing this a lot
๐
cloud cobalt
I expected the environments but not the characters
kindred dawn
opinions on wether is clear vary
cold lantern
pallid compass
wtf JESUS
cold lantern
all characters, two maps and male sfx announcer
pallid compass
wtf i did not
see that
coming
LOL
time to go fucking ham on there tiling material library
cold lantern
suprised as well, thought they wouldn't release it this soon
assets fliped games inc
cloud cobalt
Asset flipping is happening no matter what, at least Epic will make money too
cold lantern
true
pallid compass
talk about punching unity up the butthole
empty plank
I learn a lot from existing assets. The learning curve flattens exponentially.
That's why earlier this week I was suggesting Epic release source code in chunks or completely.
Heck I'd pay a premium for access.
cold lantern
source of what ?
pallid compass
most of its built on the GAS system
they need to doc and release more examples of it
cold lantern
^ this
empty plank
GAS system? Please enlighten me.
pallid compass
Gameplay Ability system plugin
cold lantern
game ability system
pallid compass
the forbidden fruit
cold lantern
this shit noone understands
opal spindle
To the point where you're better off making your own
cloud cobalt
Can't release chunks of source code, really... No game has a structure modular enough.
pallid compass
tldr gas system = most powerful framework ever, but using it is like trying to tie your shoes in the dark with ur arms tied behind ur back and ur legs cutt off
opal spindle
Just make it a community project like UT4 really
cloud cobalt
UT4 is dead though
opal spindle
Well Paragon is too
pallid compass
yeah paragon is on the down
opal spindle
What caused UT4's death btw
cold lantern
you might be able to use chunks of the code in there, although it wouldn't be useable in the long run
cloud cobalt
@opal spindle UT4 specifically wasn't alive ever
opal spindle
What do you mean
pallid compass
the era' of games like ue4 and quake are dead
cold lantern
releasing the code would need to come with tons of docs for stuff that will never be documented so
cloud cobalt
@opal spindle Epic's staff had a skeleton crew doing stuff on it from time to time, but it wasn't really community-developed by a stable team of dedicated people
People started doing maps, the gameplay works, but there isn't any vision to do something unique and high-quality
opal spindle
Hhmm
cloud cobalt
Not to mention custom engine version, which was a big turndown to developers I think
People asked for UT4, Epic said okay look we have this engine, just do it
opal spindle
I honestly haven't really seen anything which requires a custom engine version
cloud cobalt
Well there's the engine with the game code in the repo, no idea what required that
pallid compass
so i added one of the char's to my project thats 4.18
the files are 4.19 min
however i cant see anything in the folders
opal spindle
There's no backwards compat
If an asset is saved in 4.19
You can only open it in 4.19 or later
opal spindle
Just wait for the first hotfix
pallid compass
nah
i always stay
way behind
its stupid as fuck idea to jump right up
u can fuck ur whole work group doing it
if something breaks off the bat
opal spindle
Not if you make use of source control
pallid compass
im talking about that
opal spindle
I have 4.19 in a separate branch
leaden garnet
So uh, I have a question about the latest Paragon assets released for UE4 devs. Is it okay if I ask it here?....
opal spindle
Go ahead
pallid compass
rule of the thumb for me, is never go right up, even more so when u use dangerous systems like the GAS etc
leaden garnet
It's so cool they released Paragon's assets to UE4. I wonder if it's okay to optimize the assets for mobile games? Like use maya and retopologize the mesh for a UE4 mobile project.
Or does it violate the license in any way?
opal spindle
Yes, but Ue4 has built in tools for that IIRC
leaden garnet
I don't want to get into trouble for putting the stuff into maya or anything
pallid compass
but if ur a newbie
there is no way in hell ur gonna get paragon assets to mobile
There optimised to fuck as it is, they use alot of neat tricks and such
its how they pull para at 60fps on ps4
not unless u knock them down to nothing, then at that point ur better off making ur own i guess
opal spindle
Mobile renderer can do wonders tbh
You just gotta make some sacrafises regarding shaders mostly
pallid compass
yeah it can, but if u know how the char's are made there not going on mobile
leaden garnet
By making them by my own are you by any means suggesting that I create the same models from scratch myself?
pallid compass
it prob be easier
for 1 there is no way u are getting the hair shaders to run on mobile
so all the hair would need redoing as it is
eyes are another thing, but not a huge issue
also all the char's run off tiling texture library's and layers
its not just prebaked textures
leaden garnet
gotcha
pallid compass
there also split up in to like 5 draw calls per char i think?
bottom, top, skin, hair, eyes
etc
u can see where im going with this right haha
frosty bloom
Wow, I really was totally wrong regarding the Paragon Assets
frosty bloom
blew my mind when the youtube popup showed up "Paragon assets 12m free"
pallid compass
yeah i got a big shock too lmao
frosty bloom
Guess we will never again see a video of UE4 with standard mannequin lol
pallid compass
lmfao
NEVER
its so good though
gonna get to dive in too there advanced ice shaders
and shit
frosty bloom
Yeah, I expect a lot of designers are VERY happy today
learning from watching their AAA +++ quality stuff
Give me the code and i'll be equally happy
leaden garnet
Fingers crossed for Gameplay Abilities Plugin
frosty bloom
thats already available though
frank escarp
an actual example of using it @frosty bloom
gameplay abilities exists, but we dont know how the fuck to use it for an actual project
frosty bloom
Ah, miss interped it
grim ore
they plan on releasing more assets later as well, neato
frosty bloom
I hope to get a peak into how their code looks. (fingers crossed)
cloud cobalt
Doubtful we'll ever see the code
grim ore
The question is how many times will we hear Tim mention the 12 million in free assets at the keynote ๐
frosty bloom
Yeah Unity just got out weighted on the Free Asset complain threads lol
cloud cobalt
528 assets in the environment pack, which is the one I'm into - can't wait to know if skeletals are included
empty plank
There was a big argument last week here about releasing Paragon assets, though I was focusing on the code rather than character assets.
I am reinvindicated.
cloud cobalt
I think Sion talked about it, saying some stuff was clearly off limits, like the levels themselves and the code
I honestly thought the characters were off limits too
empty plank
I hope not. I would hope SOME talk about architecture, design challenges, and the solutions they came up with happened or will happen
I wouldn't know if that has already happened, I started learning me some UE4 in November last year and I'm 3/4 through Ben Tristem's course on Udemy
devout gulch
Code was the most interesting part of Paragon
paper rampart
grim ore
I would assume skeletons are there as animations are there
cloud cobalt
For environment pieces ? I didn't see that in the overview since there is no video
grim ore
oh gotcha for the environment. It doesn't look like it they only mention meshes and textures and none of the animated items look like they are in there
flint chasm
hey guys
is there a market for making stuff in unreal for HD photos?
like enviroments and stuff?
hot pond
theres a market for anything
fierce tulip
dont see anybody buying em though, but thats me
cloud cobalt
I don't think this channel is the best place to ask, since we're users of the engine. Stuff you're making with the engine isn't going to be relevant for many of us
Marketplace assets, code, plugins for the engine would
pallid compass
So i managed to make a modular 2d sprite system for equipment / char visuals
except its 25 draw calls per char
LOL
any advice? ๐
shame i cant use materials in sprites ๐ฆ
hot pond
question So after resolving the issue of model not transfering maps now after it transfers all the equipment disappears what am I missing
cloud cobalt
You're a mentlegen
pallid compass
@fierce tulip quick question if ur not busy, can u clamp animation in a flipbook material node?
cloud cobalt
How many instructions @faint cedar ?
faint cedar
Not showing up
plush yew
anyone know if its possible to reget everything from a built version of my game, my project files corrupted
faint cedar
cloud cobalt
Actually not that much
pallid compass
they do really well to keep everything down
i remember thgem saying, its how they reached 60fps on console
fierce tulip
@pallid compass never tried. you probably can though
elfin jacinth
Welcome @true furnace
pallid compass
@plush yewos figured it out this is how so u know for future
@fierce tulip no real doc on it, but there u go so u know for future
true furnace
I also wanted to join the fortnite discord but unfortunately they've reached max. members. Is there any other Official Unofficial Discord server?
fierce tulip
O_o there is no such thing as a max member thing on discord afaik?
is there?
@pallid compass thanks
true furnace
Well, there is ๐ฆ
pallid compass
no worries man! sharing is caring ๐
steel rock
Hey everyone - I've been thinking about getting a laptop so I can work on the go - what should I pay more attention to? pcu+ram or graphics card?
sec
mystic fjord
EPIC just released some christmas gifts
steel rock
what would the price range be of those laptops?
grim ore
I just picked up a 7700hq laptop with the base gtx 1050 and it's surprisingly better than I expected. The 1050 is not a bad gpu to work with. The infiltrator demo at 1080p was averaging a hair under 30fps.
Price wise you can get lucky and get a base model like this for around 600 if lucky and then it scales in price based on the extras or higher gpu.
If I had the money I would have gone with a 1050ti or 1060 but I got this one cheap used to upgrade over my old 4210u and 940m machine so we'll worth it to me.
Us dollars for the prices I mentioned.
steel rock
that IS a bit pricey heheh
next badger
steel rock
since my main pc is a desktop I have at my apartment and I'd be using the laptop on when traveling to another country I wouldn't want to go all in on the first one I get since I'm learning and about to be unemployed
grim ore
you can look for an older gen 9x0 series then maybe used. 960m or higher should run "decent" enough but gaming laptops that can 3d dev well are not cheap
next badger
gpus are so overpriced atm...never wished someone to die before
steel rock
yea figured as much
well thanks for the advice @grim ore
your channel on youtube is great btw
frank escarp
@next badger not on laptops
only the discrete gpus are overpriced to hell
you can get a nice 1060 laptop at a correct price
and a VR ready laptop is by definition a monster
next badger
@frank escarp yeah, i'm a desktop guy =_=
frank escarp
if you want a good "gamedev" laptop, get a vr ready laptop
shell jetty
was Asus Rog Zephyrus over 3k as what go to price?
frank escarp
wtf 3k
hell nah
get a 1500 or so 1070 laptop
those are pretty damn good
my MSI GT72 vr costed 1800 euros and has a 1070 and an i7
its a straight up monster
runs games better than my desktop with a desktop 970
shell jetty
so Asus Rog Zephyrus laptop what is Max-Q design laptop price is 3019euros 1080 in it
frank escarp
dont get that
too expensive
and its not really that much better than the msi i have
at half the price
never buy the highest end of anything, its allways overpriced
get the second-third highest end
grim ore
@steel rock thanks ๐ glad you enjoy it
yep if you can afford a 1060 or better they are awesome, but if you get lucky and have a hard budget a 1050 will work. I got mine used for $500 US and it works fantastic if I am not pushing hard core.
plush yew
I guess i have to buy a new HDD for all these paragon assets. While ny friend still awaits his refund XD
vale halo
@steel rock All I can say is that an i5-4210M + GT940M will probably make you want to kill yourself ๐ But yeah, as MathewW said, going second hand and trying to get a 10-series mobile card, as well as a decent cpu + SSD will probably be best
grim ore
^^^ that's pretty much what I had before and yes I did want to kil myself. It was great for browsing website and YouTube lol ๐
silver crown
I have a Celeron with a 15GB SSD and 4GB of RAM
Best laptop ever
Can't watch 1080p on YT without lag
tawdry narwhal
This Paragon asset release is insane, I still can't believe it... THANK YOU EPIC!!
urban gyro
Is there anyone here who can spare 15 minutes on me for a quick chat?
urban gyro
network related
plush yew
@mortal gale they released assets from para to the ue 4 devs community.
vale halo
It's not buildable? ๐ฎ Sure that isn't an issue on your end, as that (somehow) seems pretty unlikely ๐ค
plush yew
I guess they still are realeaseing some assests
mortal gale
Yeah, it's all broken, And I know it's not on my end, because other people reported the same too.
plush yew
cause not everything from the game has not been released
silver crown
@mortal gale definitively on your end
steel rock
LENOVO Legion Y520 80WK009WSC / Core i5 7300HQ, 8GB, 2000GB, GeForce GTX 1050 4GB
& this
HP Omen 15-ce018nm 2QE48EA / Core i5 7300HQ, 8GB, 1000GB, GeForce GTX 1050 4GB
mortal gale
The UT4 repo hasn't been updated since august, and it uses mixed versions of code, incompatable too, and the People in the UT Discord server reported the same too.
steel rock
those are affordable so maybe those would do the job?
mortal gale
Errr, not with Winblows 10. lol, It'll be slow as all hell, with 10 eating the HDD like crazy.
silver crown
@steel rock Need an SSD. At least a SATA, and a M2 if possible
mortal gale
However, if you do all your stuff in a Linux distro of some sort, since it's more difficult to use 7 on it, you'll be good.
mortal gale
I don't even have an SSD, and I don't like 10, so I don't run it. lol
silver crown
Make sure you have a remaining slot to add another 8 GB later
Don't know for the GPU/CPU
grim ore
@steel rock that first one is the one I have now but with a 7700HQ cpu. The 7300HQ is just fine
I upgraded it to a 512GB SSD tho as SSD's are like mandatory now if you can get one
silver crown
UE with a HDD is nearly unusable indeed
grim ore
and yes if you can go to 12 or 16GB ram it's helpful but 8gb is "good enough" lol. Infiltrator really doesn't like it but fuck it it runs and DDR4 is stupid expensive right now
grim ore
yeah I hated getting it with 8GB but it was a good price and 90 bucks for another 8 GB was ๐ฆ
mortal gale
@silver crown UE is fine for me on my HDDs, but, I don't run 10, so that mightbe why, I use UE in Linux.
grim ore
the y520 series is nice because it has a seperate M.2 slot for another drive and has 2 memory slots with 1 normally open for adding in more
mortal gale
Starts in about 30 seconds.
mortal gale
I'm doing other shit, so I don't notice it too slow. lol
And that's the Editor.
After it's started, it's speedy as all fuck.
steel rock
is there any difference in working with UE4 on SSD rather than HDD other than the time it takes to start the editor?
silver crown
It's slower for any disk-heavy task
mortal gale
IDK, but I know that, if it's Windows 10, the whole experience is damn slow.
silver crown
Like opening assets, etc
tbh SSDs are really mandatory now
And not that expensive
steel rock
win 8.1
steel rock
I'm not sure I can utilize the time saved with ssd atm since I'm slowly learning and following a course mostly
silver crown
It will improve the experience for sure
A lot
If you don't go with a SSD now, at least make sure you have an empty M2/SATA slot
This will have the biggest impact on your laptop longevity
mortal gale
I noticed that my Hitachi Enterprise HDD from 2012, is faster than the WD Black I got in 2017.
vale halo
Running Arch Linux here too, and in my experience an HDD can be pretty slow
mortal gale
And the Hitachi HDD was going bad. lol
vale halo
Granted, it's a lot better than windows, but still.....you should really consider an SSD, especially if you're compiling (a lot of) stuff
mortal gale
Oh wait, that one was from 2010.
The Hitachi I'm using for Arch that's still good is from 2012.
I didn't get an SSD when I got the WD Black, is because It was for Windows, which I'm rarely in anyways, and I'm on a tight budget.
In my head, if you're compiling alot, like, big things too, an HDD is better.
Writes alot, premature fail, I wouldn't want that.
steel rock
well people I can't thank you enough for all the info ๐ thanks everyone
mortal gale
I wish that the UE3 source would be released.
I want to compile it for Linux.
Have Epic Citadel.
faint cedar
Is the Epic Games GDC Keynote over?
grim ore
It's on Wednesday
faint cedar
oh
vale halo
@mortal gale I'd disagree - in my tests, especially on high(er) end systems, if you use an HDD it forms the main bottleneck in compile workloads
Heck - when I once tried out a 6700k with a (large) project + the engine on an HDD the HDD was at 100% and the cpu was like barely at 20% at times ๐
mortal gale
Huh, depends on the project, but it isn't a bottleneck for me.
vale halo
Guess you're lucky then ๐
fierce tulip
someone pointed out you cant export any of the paragon files, can someone confirm?
(still downloading myself)
silver crown
Checking now
grim ore
one of the paragon heroes exported out fine for me to a fbx
silver crown
Yep, working fine
fierce tulip
even textures?
silver crown
You can export fbx with textures in UE?
fierce tulip
no as in, are the textures exportable hehe
silver crown
Ah
fierce tulip
yea, but..
frank escarp
@fierce tulip free license
silver crown
@rose bison waaaaat
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/25cd9f845fbbd8ec6332e9686c6ed87b.png @frank escarp
some people dont have the option
silver crown
Yep, same here
There should be an export option right?
Or is it elsewhere for textures?
fierce tulip
4.19 bug? or paragon limitation thing hehe
silver crown
How could it be a bug?
grim ore
I can export here
grim ore
yeah some of them can some cant
like the skin textures can be exported out but the character base textures seem to be missing that option
fierce tulip
i wonder how that is possible. though, they where under some restrictions if im correct
silver crown
lol
opal ocean
Having trouble understanding why this Paragon Murdoch character has three seperate materials for his eyes, hidden behind a fancy glass type mask...
and Denny's gyazo link is locking up discord when its on screen ๐ก
plush yew
I need a SSD dedicated for UE4
grim ore
man these paragon samples are not messing around. They are chewing up my computer alive lol
plush yew
and probs gonna upgrade to 32GB of ram XD
opal ocean
oh, FOUR f**king materials/elements for his eyes
plush yew
XD
opal ocean
seriously, WHY
mortal gale
Anybody else notice that Any Unreal Engine game/program crashes on an Intel Atom Android tablet? Both UE3 and UE4.
fierce tulip
@opal ocean because LOD
plush yew
can't wait to use all the animations i have been given
silver crown
So you need to select an asset and to type DisallowExport in the console
Will remove that export button
opal ocean
@fierce tulip So these extra materials and such dont get drawn 99% of the time?
fierce tulip
yea
opal ocean
I'm still showing really high shader complexity/quads in the optimisation view mode
whole model is pink
rose bison
did paragon use TAA?
testing some shinbi character, and TAA wrecks her hair
might be 4.19 though
nvm, motion blur did the damage
silver crown
Yeah, that export thing is a new 4.19 feature
grim ore
It does make sense tho. Epic sends special thanks to OTOY and 3D Scan Store for granting permission to keep intact the high-quality character materials using their facial and body scanning technologies as part of this release.
so this let's the original company keep the stuff locked to UE4 "in theory" and lets epic give it to us to use
silver crown
Not really
The meshes are the only thing you can export
Kinda weird
Oh I can't read
materials ๐คฆ
grim ore
๐
fierce tulip
or just an edit in the code
fierce tulip
true dat
<_< fricking some of the fastest interwebs in my country, still need to wait at least another hour before all the paragon stuff is downloaded.
imma watch a movie
plush yew
lol
silver crown
fastest interwebs how fast is that?
mortal gale
silver crown
๐ฎ
mortal gale
Yup, if you look at my taskbar, you can tell I'm a multitasker, although I usually have much more terminals open than hex editors. lmao
fierce tulip
250mb/s
silver crown
That's not that much
plush yew
what i still don't understand what would be better
fierce tulip
unless I'd go with glass fibre stuff, but meh
silver crown
What's that?
plush yew
Paying $100/mo, getting "Max 10mbps down"
silver crown
Where are you?
silver crown
lol
silver crown
๐
plush yew
yep
can't wait for elon musk's internet XD
Elon Musk's internet will have shit latency
silver crown
And here I am, paying 40โฌ per month
plush yew
Let's just use satelites
silver crown
Without data cap
plush yew
No delay at all
silver crown
For once that France is nice
Yeah, FPS on a satellite ๐
Everyone has the same lag at least
mortal gale
At home, we pay $40 for 3Mbps down, 1.5up, we only get that speed sometimes, and it sometimes fucks itself and goes out.
*$45
mortal gale
I'm at the college right now, so I get much better speeds here. lol
plush yew
I mean
silver crown
Right, elon is faster than light, forgot that for a second
plush yew
musk can't even manufacture enough tesla's
existing car companies are beating him in electric vehicle production
so?
silver crown
Not really surprising, he is new to the market
plush yew
He doesn't probably care to much
or isn't worried about it
He has a company that is gonna drill holes below san LA
Space X is pretty successful.
right now
rose bison
accidental butt gif
how did they do this?
no bones
I can find apex stuff, but not even sure how to apex in a character
safe rose
@rose bison At least she's got panties on
Funny how they thought of that
I was wondering what you were talking about
I kept looking for her butt to jiggle
But you were talking about the cloth
๐ญ
@rose bison this?
safe rose
Yeah, I know, I realized after watching it like 3 times what you were talking about
oh, my link never came
rose bison
I know the new clothing tool, just never realized that you can have apex stuff in the skeletalmesh
huh, so they call APEX legacy now
cloud cobalt
Yeah
rose bison
I guess that anwers my question: just use the new tool
mortal gale
[nathaniel@nathaniel-ProBookA ~]$ df -h |grep sda2
/dev/sda2 788G 742G 6.0G 100% /
[nathaniel@nathaniel-ProBookA ~]$
Yup, I'm low on space. lol
6GB free.
fierce tulip
think they cleaned out some of the matfunctions
https://i.gyazo.com/877869886632b53742f98178cb70cbdd.gif
gentle crypt
how do i disable this its very annoying:
fierce tulip
rightclick on it
gentle crypt
oh right thanks.
floral heart
Some of those matfunctions seem to exist solely for completeness.
fierce tulip
I think they might have emptied out a few
fierce tulip
yea
rose bison
@fierce tulip ?
pretty sure you know what that is
never seen animated static meshes for particles
how to do that? ๐
oh, nmv
found it
just worldOffset with SplineThicken
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/4be9889373ab95510fb61ddcf1018ba7.png created a mat function out of something I saw in one of the materials
vale halo
@mortal gale If the main causer of that space shortage is UE4 projects, you can remove some of the generated files to free up some space ๐
(Mainly Binaries/Intermediate/Build I believe.....but don't quote me on that; There's a good list somewhere out there)
cloud cobalt
I love how some of the usual suspects's response to the Paragon dump
"stop giving us free stuff, people do asset flips"
vale halo
๐
plush yew
"stop buying assest flip games" i tell em XD
vale halo
^ inb4 someone literally clones paragon and starts selling it
plush yew
I ma do it
vale halo
That.....may actually happen though 
plush yew
XD
fierce tulip
cloud cobalt
No one can do that anyway, we have like 5% of the content
vale halo
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fierce tulip
the paragonpr0n people are thrilled though XD
plush yew
XD
vale halo
Looses all hope in humanity
shell jetty
@vale halo so are we turning to cyborgs?
opal ocean
Its a shame the characters all have the weapons built in ๐ฆ I cant use 'em for my player model cause I want to be able to swap weapons
mortal gale
It's mostly the other crap on my HDD that filss it up. lol
fierce tulip
they are actually using lights inside the emitters. didnt expect that
plush yew
@opal ocean what do you mean?
opal ocean
The guns are attached to the models, part of the mesh. I dont know how to seperate them.
opal ocean
not from what I saw, looked like the gun was part of the same skeleton on the one character I looked at
plush yew
@opal ocean cause when i look at the shocase fro twin blast i see the pistols as seperate modes
rose bison
okay, quick question. Which character of the paragon set has the largest explosions?
plush yew
models*
rose bison
asking for a friend
plush yew
looking for explosion effects?
plush yew
@rose bison Howitzer is your character
opal ocean
Hmm, maybe I'll look at twin blast,. Murdock is all a single mesh, but his two guns are on seperate bones
safe rose
fail epic
opal ocean
looked at murdock cause his main gun style, and overall look sorta fits with where I'm looking at pointing my game to go...
safe rose
@fierce tulip by "some", do you mean that some are actually correct?
So, it's just basically people not following some standard?
hushed monolith
wait, is paragon fair use now?
keen birch
Paragon is "use however you want within UE4" now
opal ocean
atleast, the assets they've released in the marketplace
hushed monolith
ah
opal ocean
marketplace -> free
none of the characters I've looked at have an animBP so it seems there will be some setup for use
restive eagle
if before you tried aquiring them then that would have been theft
hushed monolith
well that's not what i mean, lol
just that there's probably some fun scifi/fantasy models in there
might be fun to pull stuff out for enemies, weapons, etc
opal ocean
I'll have to download and look at it then, so I can see what to do
grim ore
that makes sense since that is what the blog says. most should be similar anyways
opal ocean
looks like Twinblasts main guns are part of his main mesh, but the ultimate weapon is seperate
haha, so much fun to play with the head AO blendspaces, make them look around. HUH? Wuh! who?!
cinder iron
yes, why would they make the guns a different actor if it is meant to be integrated inside the character
I bet the code overuses component systems, since the weapons are very likely to not be actors
plush yew
probably
opal ocean
some of them look like new meshes, but Shinbi looks like just diff materials from the preview
plush yew
also there is a dedicated forum about the paragon assets
opal ocean
whereabouts?
plush yew
and we also be getting more paragon assets
cinder iron
@rose bison Combination of replacement of sk mesh and material slots. In this situation the characters don't seem to be modular like they are in other videogames where you can edit different armor parts. In that case you have in unreal a cool feature called SetMasterPoseComponent where you can make different skeletal meshes to follow the "root" sk mesh anims without worrying of anything going wrong
mesh merging doesn't work properly for animation montages, but they shouldn't give you any problem with the common graph.
rose bison
ya, I am aware of that
just curious why they opted to not go that route
seems an obvious way to make more money
vale osprey
Ohh, thatโs what they are for
rose bison
probably just performance reasons
cinder iron
well it depends on how you want your skins to look like, also performance, yes
the more components with transform you have, the more data you have to carry over
wouldn't harm to have a bandana type of thing or something subtle
but they are already making money by just changing a parameter on a material instance
from green to blue
$0'50 skin.
there
plush yew
XD
solar eagle
hello! im working on an unreal project, is it possible to add cutscenes with triggers like - when the player enters this room, or gets past something, the animation starts - ?
pallid compass
yes
grim ore
Yes you can use a trigger volume or any other collision item to trigger
opal spindle
Who do I go to in terms of legal stuff?
Because
I have some stuff which replicate the functionality of Engine Tools, but aren't Engine Tools
I did not use/copy any of the editor code of my thing
floral heart
"Who do I go to in terms of legal stuff?"
A lawyer. I'm not sure if a judge is also a viable answer, but most of them are lawyers anyway.
opal spindle
I'm just making a marketplace asset, idk if I would need to get a lawyer involved for that
fierce tulip
contact marketplace team and ask them what you need to know
floral heart
Lawyers don't have to be "involved" for you to ask them questions. Epic has an in-house lawyer and I think they mostly ask him questions all day long.
gloomy pollen
yeah thats what retainers are for
teal tulip
there is a support email I think for legal things
fierce tulip
oh god, Cascade's emitters arent properly showing in 4.19 and im too afraid they wont fix it
teal tulip
but if you sell only in the marketplace I think can contains code from that folder, you're limited to end users no in the marketplace I think.
Still ask them
@fierce tulip told you, don't expect it any time soon before the 4.20
teal tulip
wops wrong read I see too many cascades I mean Niagara lol
and why they won't fix it ? did you reported in the form ?
fierce tulip
because they barely fix anything cascade unless it breaks the end result badly
plush yew
Guess this is old news? https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/paragon
hidden heart
just a bit phumkie ๐
floral heart
We now indirectly know Paragon cost $12 million. Eat that, kickstarters.
ivory gorge
only 12?
plush yew
i really wish ue4 gave us a way to unpackage our own files.............
ivory gorge
...only the parts of paragon they chose to put on the marketplace have been valued at 12m
grim ore
ah kenney... Got to love him https://twitter.com/KenneyNL/status/975859254765805571
Twitter
fierce tulip
silver crown
That's from paragon?
fierce tulip
yea
silver crown
You must be happy with all those fancy fx ๐
fierce tulip
loads of neat little tricks and "ooh, didnt think of that"
though most of it is actually fairly simple, only a few surprises so far
quite amazed by how smart its used
silver crown
It's always interesting to see the behind the scenes of a triple A like that
I'm always surprised by the low poly count
fierce tulip
that too hehe
silver crown
I'm also a bit surprised by them locking the export of textures
Not really the UE way
But I guess it was the only way they could release
fierce tulip
https://i.gyazo.com/911ee460186b05c13f4fe6ac29297bcc.gif each element is so simple, yet together its eyepr0n
restive eagle
i wish someone could make a separate pack just with all the effects ๐
fierce tulip
hehe yea I was kinda hoping it would be a seperate pack
opal ocean
I looked at two of the particles, and hholy sheet. Cant believe theres so many layers in 'em
fierce tulip
yea, and up to 4 lods per effect
opal ocean
thats just crazy...
meanwhile on my project I made a floating item pickup, and just used a simple material billboard to save on performance >_>
or so I think.
floral heart
More like a du/dv map
fierce tulip
well generally I see people just use a grayscale tex for it.
havent seen people use a normal for that
(personally)
urban gyro
If Actor has Auto-Receive input from Player0 any keyboard key should fire events right? Or am I going insane at this point
grim ore
Assuming nothing else absorbs them and that actor is in the scene
And input is being sent thru the controller, like you don't have disable input on
urban gyro
Yeah I just had an empty actor with F event and a print. nothing consumed input. It doesn't matter anyway, but I was curious why it didn't fire, until I just reparented to pawn.
and it somehow worked ๐
tawdry narwhal
I have this problem that whenever I try & and move a map in the content browser, UE4 ends up irrevocably deleting the map file
the only option is to restore from source control
has anyone experienced this yet?
it happens with any game map
actually - the .umap file is left there with an absurd size of 700 bytes
trying to delete the map doesn't work either - it's being referenced by "World"
manually moving the file in ms explorer and force deleting the original map tends to work
I'm curious if anyone's come across this and what your solution was
tawdry narwhal
very
it's been going on for months
made a test map
this is what pops up when trying to rename it
the map only has one landscape in it
the landscape doesn't have a material assigned
ok so apparently if I delete the landscape, renaming works
urban gyro
When was the last time you've fixed redirectors? maybe that screws it @tawdry narwhal
Moving things around when u have source control is not a good practice afaik
tawdry narwhal
I practically fix them every time I move or delete something
urban gyro
P4 ye?
tawdry narwhal
p4?
tawdry narwhal
git
tawdry narwhal
what if perforce or svn?
urban gyro
well i heard perforce doesn't like redirectors, and moving things around and then committing can have weird results
so i thought u had P4 running and it somehow broke ur moves
tawdry narwhal
I also have ue4 itself disconnected from source control
urban gyro
but if that is not teh case, never happened to me either
tawdry narwhal
just to avoid any hickups
grim ore
The only time I ever run into that issue is having the project open twice on accident.
urban gyro
well if ur running manual versioning mebbe that broketed it
urban gyro
i can try to replicate if u want, but im on p4 and u gotta tell me what u did
tawdry narwhal
no worries man, I couldn't recount the past year+ of what happened when on the project :)
urban gyro
oh, so u just updated the version?
tawdry narwhal
nope
the project originally started on 4.15, been carrying it over eversince. but the issue has appeared before - 4.17 maybe I think
urban gyro
yuou could try migrating the map perhaps
manic pecan
I wonder if those using Unity are considering switching to Unreal after seeing these paragon assets being released ๐ค
urban gyro
no god please no
tawdry narwhal
HA!
grim ore
I've seen a couple people mention they plan on installing unreal to tear apart the Paragon assets
grim ore
As long as they don't do anything to give anyone else the stuff they can do whatever they want in their own private space
And with unity getting their Shader graph system being able to pull apart the ue4 materials is a good start
manic pecan
Iโd be tempted too if I was them. Maybe import into 3dsmax or something
urban gyro
what? did they ditch Diffuse?
Them paragon assets are awesome cuz of the vfx imho. Animations are cool but using the models is pointless
tawdry narwhal
^ that ^
urban gyro
yeah if u pull appart u can make some cool stuff
tawdry narwhal
also hair, skin textures, blahblahblah
urban gyro
@grim ore Btw, i'm a big fan of ur tuts man, u planing on covering Niagara?
eeeh them textures are mapped to the chars
unless they run full maps which i doubt, havent seen em yet tho
tawdry narwhal
I just grabbed the env. pack
urban gyro
i grabbed all, but can;t be arsed checking it out yet ๐ I used to play Paragon for a few days
got some nice design ideas
i mean, borrowed
๐
tawdry narwhal
good vfx is hard to come by
urban gyro
there are some good ones man, marketplace has awesomes
urban gyro
xplosion builder, coupla vector field particles
urban gyro
thats 50% of ur vfx done ๐
tawdry narwhal
wasn't counting that as "a" vfx lib but you're right
urban gyro
these 2 are good
and Materialize VFX is also pretty cewl
and if theres somethin lacking, well, a few tweaks and ur gud
specially the vectors
urban gyro
yeah ive seen his vids
if I ever needed that many vfx id buy out his entire library
Advanced Magic FX01 is one of his first packs, still looks great
urban gyro
as much as I love particles, it just takes a while for good ones
tawdry narwhal
spring sale, halloween sale, end of the world sale doesn't matter, Kakky just keeps on rollin'...
urban gyro
sometimes its just cheaper to get a thunder strike instead of making one
his stuff is pretty cheap as it is
tawdry narwhal
yeah vfx is the one thing I'll not ever come close to even dabbling in
urban gyro
i dabble but i don't know what im making till i make it
urban gyro
like i start making an fct for one thing but end up with something i use for another
tawdry narwhal
makes me want to hire them all
tawdry narwhal
wouldn't know
umbral tartan
@urban gyro ah that Korean guy? Coulda sworn he got a publisher to pick up his game.
last year
dim arch
vfx? or material
plush yew
vfx
noono
texture
i thiml
think
im pretty sure the overwatch one is a sequence of images
not vfx @dim arch
i could make the images im just not sure how to implement them
dim arch
ya dude theyre gamechanging
plush yew
you think it would work tho in 3d
dim arch
you can make them into sprites
plush yew
im gonna test it with squares
dim arch
put it on a transparent plane and modulate it by the weapon firing function
dim arch
plenty of tutorials on yt
dim arch
ue4 muzzle flash sprite
dim arch
looks good
these days its done with particles but you can use a material on a plane too
umbral tartan
@leaden dust A lot! Each character with all vfx included is 2gb on average it seems
I downloaded all of them just now. Hold on I'll give you an exact number.
52.7gb for all of them (after theyve been installed in a project)
Props folder takes up 11gb alone. So guess it depends on the asset. Anywhere from 300mb to 11gb.
leaden dust
god damn hell
dude
i don't even have that much space on my HDD
alright What imma gonna do is download one asset pack
try it
delete
and another
i just have like 25 gigs left
umbral tartan
you don't really need all of it right now, anyway.
plush yew
I opened the sample map from environment pack, and it asks me to rebuild reflection captures, but when I press on the build button, nothing happens
warm mountain
just looking at the paragon chars atm
pretty impressive detail for just 60k tris
christ those material nodes are insane
i'm learning something though from all of this
analog sigil
yep same here, awesome content
next jetty
the paragon assets are insane
it's cool to see the voicelines of the heroes. Unfortunately, we never got to hear them in-game
has anyone found the sound effects? All I can find are voicelines
warm mountain
the complexity of the material instances in paragon scares me
next jetty
it does
warm mountain
so many parameters
warm mountain
for me I just pack textures
set some parameters to change colors haha
and thats it for my materials
unless I need them to do something else like liquids
or animation
next jetty
they don't use translucency because it's too expensive. Instead, they use mask, and then apply this custom dither material
warm mountain
i use mask too
but holy crap
the amount of variation the parameters give
gz
those parent materials are huge!
all of that for a rock
o.O
I mean am I missing something haha
cloud cobalt
Epic devs have always been willing to go to great lengths in material
UT3 had pretty incredible material graphs back a decade ago
And 90% of the graph brought 10% of the quality
But that's how you push it to something that really looks amazing
warm mountain
i'm trying to
download all of that info I'm see right now haha
but
i think it does have something to do with optimizing the game
creating instances from one huge parent material
urban gyro
Sorry to but in, but I thought this joke up last night and I gotta leave soon, but I just wanted to share it :P
Team Lead enters the office. Everybody is playing poker.
-What the hell?! Why isn't anyone working?
3D Guy: -Rendering.
Code Guy: -Compiling.
Texture Guy: -Baking.
Animator: -Cooking.
Tester: -Building.
Audio Guy: -Sampling.
Media Guy: -Encoding.
Team Lead: .....Deal me in.
warm mountain
and using the nodes to make the material look as crisp as possible with as low resolution as possible
hence reducing space
cloud cobalt
Creating instances from a large material is about sparing the time spent developing advanced materials
You do something amazing once and don't start from scratch for another related object
Like, I have one material for pretty much 95% of all metallic objects in my game
warm mountain
makes sense
for me i have 1 large material which is used for a set of assets
say in this region there are 20 houses
so all the paint materials and painting variations and any surface that needs paint. I UV them accordingly and make them call on the material instances derived from that single paint material
and I have another for metal and glass
the complexity of their nodes are pretty huge
even for me my parameters are pretty limited to what I offer to my instances
i'm just studying and trying to make sense of their nodes right now
going to create a test mesh to play around
when I get back home later
urban gyro
if you have 10 artists everyone making requests to have this and that exposed as a parameter, and one super duper vfx guy working on it for over a year, its what u get
cloud cobalt
Artists tend to want lots of stuff to tweak, even if the added value seems dubious. I've heard that referred to (by programmers) as "give him a slider so that he feels valuable"