it means it's real
#ue4-general
last loom
you're just trying to scare the poor kid
when tons of people do this
yeah, don't sell it
that much is a DUH
pallid compass
advice*
gentle ginkgo
Is the CSS on the website not loading for anybody else?
cloud cobalt
Just because tons of people do it doesn't make it legal, FFS
last loom
yeah while you're at it
never smoke pot
never kiss a girl before marriage
and don't do gay stuff
SOLID advice
gentle ginkgo
last loom
you won't risk lawsuit over recreating art for a reume
resume
you get a takedown notice at most
last loom
100% won't
cloud cobalt
But they could still do it
last loom
if you sell it, you might
cloud cobalt
That's possible
last loom
It isn't
cloud cobalt
It really is :/
pallid compass
your mixing up possibility and propability
pallid compass
^
cloud cobalt
And I'm saying you're restricting your options and legal choices about your project, and it's 100% a better idea to have your own IP
Being a dick about it doesn't make it right
pallid compass
I swear we have this conversation like every month
last loom
NEGATORY
pallid compass
this is like the 10th+ time
cloud cobalt
Maybe he'll want to apply at EA in a decade and they're going to say "wow you're stealing our art"
pallid compass
spams links
makes me right
cloud cobalt
Well, let's agree to disagree here
pallid compass
lmao
cloud cobalt
Insults are completely unwarranted and juvenile here
So much for experienced adults
stoic moth
guys don't fight over this matter, its true we need some sticky notes about this subject as many of us have no teaching in law and IPs
pallid compass
get more sense out of victor honestly, (just kidding love you bro π )
last loom
The statute provides that fair use of a work βfor purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use, scholarship, or research)β is not an infringement of copyright. ""
here's trhe law
cloud cobalt
That may be the law in some countries
last loom
RESEARCH
"To determine whether a given use is fair use, the statute directs, one must consider the following four factors:
the purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
These factors are not exclusive, but are the primaryβand in many cases the onlyβfactors courts examine. The following questions consider each of these four factors in turn. "
pallid compass
i thought u where done? lmao
last loom
tldr; Don't ask plebes on Unreal Slackers for legal advice
cloud cobalt
You can still be sued even if you're 100% within your rights
restive eagle
first thing coppied from google, sure makes the argument 100% correct
pallid compass
LOL
grave nebula
Question is.. has anyone ever been through an actual case of being sued for fan art, in whatever form may it be ? I have no clue, but willing to bet that nope.
last loom
how about NOTHING supportying the other side from google
@grave nebula exactly what I'm proving here
cloud cobalt
Are you done insulting people here ? Because that's not an adult talking I see here
stoic moth
@last loom thanks for the article
last loom
until one of these big companies DOES, an precedent has been established, and in the case of PERSONAL research that is NOT published or sold, and shown for COMMENTARY or CRITICISM only is PROTECTED by the fair use act
a*
cloud cobalt
And you can still be sued about it
pallid compass
slightly off topic Stranger but i must know
restive eagle
using caps lock sure makes argument correct
pallid compass
Do u ever use PrimaryDataAssets vs DataAssets?
cloud cobalt
π
last loom
don't try to give answers if you don't have them
cloud cobalt
@pallid compass No I only use regular data assets
last loom
people who are wrong piss me off
grave nebula
Nobody will give a flying until you have something to be charged off from you. Worst case, you would be forwarded a mail, politely asking to take the content down.
cloud cobalt
"I'm such an experienced adult ! LISTEN TO MEEE!"
last loom
^ Well said
restive eagle
once i stated my oppinion on his stream, got silenced. this attitude doesnt surprise me much
cloud cobalt
Anyway
restive eagle
πΏ
cloud cobalt
@stoic moth Basically, create your own IP. You'll be able to do whatever you want - releasing assets to others, releasing a playable game, selling it 5 years from now
If you're doing a fan game, obviously never sell it, be super clear that it's fan art and not your IP
restive eagle
but he wrote in caps lock that you can use other IP, you mean capital letters lie?
cloud cobalt
But really, don't put energy and time into something you won't own
pallid compass
yeah bigger point
u prob have no idea how much effort even a small game takes
never mind multiplayer
stoic moth
@cloud cobalt i tottaly get that, but this is for me a showreel, i want to show hey i've replicated Mona Lisa lets say but of course i'm copying a game in a HD remake format but with NO intent on commercializing it
pallid compass
or campaign etc
stoic moth
just portfolio reason
last loom
@stoic moth seriously, the law is on your side, all examples are on your side
cloud cobalt
Still, it's a waste of your resources π
last loom
these guys are just butthurt that someone proved them wrong
cloud cobalt
π
restive eagle
this proof is worth less than a shit on the ground
cloud cobalt
I'm done arguing on this for what it's worth, i'm not @stoic moth 's father
stoic moth
ok this is someting, if i get in writting from them that i can do so for my portfolio then that's the end of this argument right ?
pallid compass
This is worse than when u hear your ue4 compile noise go "NO"
last loom
here's a good line for ya: "For example, the Supreme Court has stated that the more transformative the new work, the less will be the significance of other factors, like commercialism, that may weigh against a finding of fair use."
cloud cobalt
@stoic moth Yeah, if you get written permission, it's mostly all good as long as you follow guidelines you'll get.
last loom
the fact remains that no big company has bothered suing a kid for ecreating their art for their personal portfolio
in fact they may hire you
restive eagle
there is a guy that is making starwars remake, but he had to ask for permission from EA or whoever own the old game. probably he knows more about this matter from his personal experience
cloud cobalt
The best you can do is get legal advice about it, because law changes all the time, isn't the same in all countries, and even being right isn't protection if you can't afford to defend a frivolous lawsuit.
pallid compass
now that is a big point ^
cloud cobalt
That's how patent trolls work in the real life
"Pay us $5k for this completely invalid patent or we'll force you to spend $10k in court"
last loom
may I also point you to the MYRIAD of blatant rip-off games that DO get published?
you're not even selling it
stop sweating
last loom
have you guys ever even HEARD OF https://www.deviantart.com/
cloud cobalt
No point in arguing about it, no one here is a real lawyer, and no law is universal.
Three safe options : don't do it, ask a lawyer, ask the owner.
Good luck @stoic moth π
pallid compass
"You wouldnt put ur weanie in a ducks mouth would you?"
think be safe
calm down fam
take a deep breath
let it go
last loom
yes
stoic moth
@cloud cobalt thanks will seek out contacting them i even have a HR contact on linkedin from EA Bucharest Romania (my country :P)
last loom
follow your own advice "fam"
@stoic moth badass I filmed part of my movie in Romania!! π bucharest is soooooo cool
cloud cobalt
I don't know anything about Romanian law, so be sure to ask a lawyer if you can.
pallid compass
i cant even follow my own programming framework how the hell will i follow my own advice?
then again teach me to use the GAS system lmao
they should change the GAS system to the Forbidden Fruit by Epic
last loom
@pallid compass ok cool I like you again π
last loom
what's the GAS/Forbidden fruit?
pallid compass
The most fucked up and most powerful framework for games / skills / RPG system u will ever meet in your life
Its a plugin that comes with the engine
pallid compass
Seriously.
last loom
in unreal engine?
pallid compass
Yes.
last loom
is it the "abilities" system?
pallid compass
Yes
tall pendant
GameplayAbilities
last loom
"Game abilities syste,"
pallid compass
Gameplay ability System
last loom
aaaah
ok
I was thinking about getting into that but it looked like they stopped working on it?
like it was some pet project that got left behind?
pallid compass
and still going
yeah good luck with that
Trying to GAS is like
trying to fight a brick wall
in the dark
last loom
is ready
last loom
haha what makes it so difficult?
I imagine multiplayer would be like early suicide then
cloud cobalt
@pallid compass I'm fine with UE4 thnaks π Though I don't do gameplay abilities, my game has much too old a structure and that stuff didn't exist when we did the bunch of it
pallid compass
Its a very complex System with very low documentation and it has no mercy for anyone
tldr there is 0 hand holding
pallid compass
do not exists
last loom
learned everything from his cat
pallid compass
There is one tutorial written by a friend of mine Kaz, and thats it.
last loom
oh shit that's C++
last loom
is it in blueprints or do you have to use C++?
pallid compass
all c++
pallid compass
yeah if u dont even c++ dont even think about it
last loom
haha
last loom
what advantages does it have over just programming your own?
pallid compass
the framework is just
too god dam strong
Prediction
Roll back
insane replication and control
pallid compass
Beyond what u would have prob ever read online
its the system they use for paragon and fortnite
@willow stump are u even around slag
willow stump
I'm usually only browsing the GPA channel π
pallid compass
describe the GAs system for me,
u make it sound way more scary than i can
actually ima find one of ur posts about it to someone
last loom
Aha!
A gleam of light in the darkness!
"It is also not 100% exposed to blueprints, partially, but not entirely,"
dives in
last loom
π jk of course
pallid compass
Its not actually usable with out c++
pallid compass
prob a bad idea
pallid compass
best to start on blueprints to learn how the engine works
and best to massively brush up on c++ before u try and use it
last loom
I got this error when I tried to take a project that started in Blueprints into Visual Studio
is that just not possible
pallid compass
pretty sure u can
last loom
:/
pallid compass
not sure i use a custom engine
last loom
ah
frosty bloom
<-Uses BP Based project. Only uses BP for design purposes, rest C++
pallid compass
cant remember the last time i used the launcher engine
yeah best way to be
Prototype with blueprints
then covert down to low end
and use high end blueprint access to c++ for designers / non coders / artists
last loom
yeah if we keep talking about C++ I'll only piss you guys off π
cloud cobalt
We've managed to stick with the launcher engine here, I'm fairly happy about that. Wouldn't want to maintain changes over 20 engine versions
last loom
yeah I'm tempted to use Hairworks in a modified source but I don't want to deal with basically any of the process π
mostly updating engines
pallid compass
honestly
i really really wouldnt
with out a specialist
hairworks is so ugh, whats the word?
frosty bloom
Usually works to just customize a Class to a certain extent or other kind of work around, I haven't found a situation that forces me to change the engine code yet
pallid compass
"HI IM HAIRWORKS IF U DONT DO ME PERFECTLY IM GONNA CRASH UR MAYA AND ENGINE 24/7 GOOD LUCK FAM CUS THERES NO INDATE TUTORIALS"
plush yew
@pallid compass can the gameplay ability system prediction and rollback that you mentioned work for hit detection?
pallid compass
no sorry
ur thinking of the wrong type or prediction
we are talking prediction of damage, resource usage, etc
and abilities to rollback numbers when FPrediction keys get rejected by the server for x reason
plush yew
Okay no worries, thanks!
pallid compass
something else as well i cant remember
@willow stump what am i forgetting u ball of knowledge
last loom
In the case of prediction and stuff, is that for the client to see immediate results before the server computes and verifies/corrects?
pallid compass
yup
last loom
ie visuals, damage #s, etc
pallid compass
u press button
target takes dmg, u lose mana
happens instantly
no waiting
server catches everyone up and its self using FPrediction keys
last loom
what's the best place to learn about client prediction? I imagine it's a fairly complex process but once yo uunderstand it, you can apply it tro anything
pallid compass
if things go sour clients rollback
cloud cobalt
The UE4 multiplayer course on udemy is great
pallid compass
honestly
pallid compass
no fucking clue, if ur talking number prediction
cloud cobalt
C++ though
pallid compass
because it gets complicated as fuck
to do it right with out a huge overhead sort of thing
last loom
yeah
I guess it's not necessary for a game that purposefully avoids twitch-reflex gameplay ey?
is working within his bounds
pallid compass
it works best for things like
Bush button
fireball goes off
etc
both my big boi's typing
frank escarp
best multiplayer thing is exis network compendium
last loom
yeah I put notes from it all over my blueprints
frank escarp
best document in ue4 networking
frank escarp
i dont know why its not part of the ue4 official documentation
pallid compass
yeah the wiki lacks examples on everything
last loom
it being in that like horizontal graphical format
cloud cobalt
Also Cedric's document is great if you know what you're doing, but it doesn't teach prediction/rollback as a general technique, it only teaches the engine tools, not how to use them
pallid compass
kaz u have been typing for like 5 mins push enter dam it
frank escarp
the thing is that prediction/rollback is 100% game specific
you can see how other games did theirs, and think how can you do something similar that fits your game
(fuck gdc, the talks on how overwatch does it are private)
cloud cobalt
Yes, but few resources explain clearly the general case with UE4
Actually the only sources I know of are the Udemy course and ShooterGame
cloud cobalt
ShooterGame is a mess and it uses Character
last loom
can any of you fine gentlemen tell me why my blueprint debug glowing wires aren't lighting up?
while playing in new window
frank escarp
basically been the same since Rocket Beta
last loom
yeah I couldn't glean shit from shootergame or the stream they did for it
cloud cobalt
It's five years old, literally, and really really messy overall. The session stuff is nightmarish to read
frank escarp
or the UI
the movement and shooting part, and gamemode, is quite fine
also shows example on how to do tricky stuff with the platform QAs
cloud cobalt
But the biggest issue is it's a character-based game, so it's completely useless for anything else
I wish there was a clean and modern networking sample with a non-character pawn and a clean session
For sessions, the best resource is the session plugin
For non-character pawns, it's the udemy course
For character games it's, shootergame I guess ?
shivers
frank escarp
still better than unity π
last loom
why non-character?
I understand why non-character for making your game, but why non-character for the tutorial?
cloud cobalt
Character has built-in replication with prediction/rollback, so ShooterGame doesn't implement it separately
cloud cobalt
If you're not doing a game with animated walking humanoid characters, though, you can't use that specialized class anymore
last loom
but maybe if we pester them
let's spam #AdvancedMultiplayerTutorial at the GDC live stream
#TeamAMT
πΌ
cloud cobalt
Any multiplayer game that's not using humanoids needs to completely rewrite prediction:rollback from scratch
graceful grove
Would it be a gross misuse of character to just implement what should normally be pawn types as characters just to get at the replication features π€
frank escarp
no
last loom
I was about to say that
why not just use character
and ignore most of its features / turn them off
frank escarp
character has flying movement mode
you could use it for things like a spaceship
but
and very but
you probably are going to have characters anyway
pallid compass
also custom movement
cloud cobalt
You can use character with flying movement, but you're going to bump into problems all the time
It's really specialized
graceful grove
^
pallid compass
when will they make a separate movement comp dam it to add to other things
last loom
I made a flying character
last loom
just copied the spaceship movement things from that cow sucking up tutorial
and added some more
got full Descent style controls real simply on a character
pallid compass
if u know 4d math
u can make some fucking awesome movement components for flight
using quaternion its so good
last loom
cool beans
pallid compass
lmfao
cloud cobalt
UE4 rotators are pretty good for what they are, but really, quaternions
last loom
I used to be really good with geometry and vector math as a kid so I'm looking forward to getting into that more π
pallid compass
there minds would explode lmao
last loom
ok ok I'm using bp only how can I use quats π
cloud cobalt
You can't
last loom
doh
cloud cobalt
Welcome to Blueprints
pallid compass
Rule 1 to learn quaternions, dont try and understand how it works, understand how to use it
last loom
just occasionally hear about cool stuff I can't use
what's the W?
get it
What
What's the W
cloud cobalt
@last loom The poster child for quaternions is : look up in your spaceship game
last loom
ummmm
pallid compass
think of it like that i guess, so its simple
last loom
look up?
cloud cobalt
Probably going to have some weird fun when it passes vertical
Yeah, look straight up vertical, 90Β° up
last loom
but I can do that in my blueprint only game
look up, look down, rotate right, rotate left, spin right, spin left
what's the 4th
vale osprey
funny how dicsussions about bootleg remakes and fan games comedown to what ever its legal or not and if someone can sue you - like discussing how to rob bank and not get caught
last loom
barrle roll* not spin
pallid compass
frank escarp
@last loom quaternions are an axis + an angle of rotation
cloud cobalt
You can look up, but probably not go past vertical and back behind you
frank escarp
the rest is bullshit magical math
cloud cobalt
Rotators don't handle that
frank escarp
but on a very high level, they are that
pallid compass
THATS SOOO TRUE
quat is like
no gimbal lock issues
sort of thing
wann go past 360? EZ
SLERP
frank escarp
all you really need to know is that quats are an axis + an angle
last loom
someone still hasn't explained what the 4th axis is
frank escarp
the angle
of rotation
of course, there are a few diferent things, as quats are normalized
pallid compass
Quat Spherical interpolation = SLERP
last loom
so an actor on an actor?
frank escarp
but you create, and use, quats, by basically doing axis + angle
last loom
local / world rotation
cloud cobalt
Quaternions and C++ it is, then π
last loom
π
pallid compass
lmao
frank escarp
you dont need to
last loom
I feel like it;s not necessary
frank escarp
all you need to know is that its a normalized axis + angle
pallid compass
dam we should make a plugin
frank escarp
and then it magics into a rotation matrix
pallid compass
for bp quat math
last loom
I get that sphere thing but it doesn't really tell me anything about the 4th axis
pallid compass
yeah this is where 4d math is mind crushing lmao
last loom
what does axis + angle mean? You can get an axis and an angle on a rotator
cloud cobalt
You can't
last loom
that's only 2
frank escarp
@last loom you cant
frank escarp
you can create a rotator by axis + angle
cloud cobalt
A rotator is only a direction
vale osprey
it's not 4d, it's just based on complex numbers
last loom
"accept it and shut up" does not work in the 21st century
last loom
@vale osprey that's what I thought
pallid compass
axis + angle being im on the X axis on 45 degree angle
last loom
I ask you
frank escarp
no
last loom
so a vertex on a rotator
frank escarp
angle
cloud cobalt
No, a position
cloud cobalt
Just an angle
frank escarp
lets excuse the radias and normalization
vale osprey
actually it's 4 only in "gamedev" as we use unit quaternions
frank escarp
a quaternion of 0,0,1,90
would be 90 degrees with the z axis as rotation axis
quaternions are that
vale osprey
^
frank escarp
except they are created with some normalization and magic stuff
frank escarp
wich allows them to be converted into matrices (for graphics) quite well
cloud cobalt
@last loom The reason people tell others to forget about how quaternions work is, it's really hard to explain why they are required, it's really hard to explain how they work mathematically
pallid compass
vblanco
last loom
describe all 4 axes in one sentence
cloud cobalt
You can't describe them like that
frank escarp
man its really not that fucking hard
pallid compass
its what Sion did with me
last loom
If I have a character facing forward
pallid compass
took me awhile to get my head around it
frank escarp
look at how unity does it
frank escarp
becouse unity is all quats
last loom
a) look down, look up
vale osprey
results is movement on the surface of the sphere, from point A to point B using just angle
last loom
b) look elft, look right
frank escarp
dammit man, im telling you the 4th axis in a quaternion is the ANGLE of how much you rotate
pallid compass
a quaternion of (X)0,(Y)0,(Z)1,(W)90
would be 90 degrees with the z axis as rotation axis
frank escarp
quaternion of axis 0,0,1 is pure vertical axis
last loom
so it's just a vertex
plush yew
Its tilt
last loom
like I said
frank escarp
and then -90 would be to the left, and 90 to the right
pallid compass
wait did i type that right?
pallid compass
"a quaternion of (X)0,(Y)0,(Z)1,(W)90
would be 90 degrees with the z axis as rotation axis"
pallid compass
is that right? i cant even remember lmao
pallid compass
wat.jpg
last loom
I think because you don't grasp the concept yourself
pallid compass
what LOL
cloud cobalt
I don't
last loom
but you wanna sound smart by using it
so
what's the 4th way you can look?
you say ?how much"
vale osprey
depends, you can hard code quats for local rotations, liike define what is left/right/up/down
last loom
but that's just the value of one of the 3 axes
frank escarp
frank escarp
the 0 thing is the rotation amount, the E thing is what it rotates around
last loom
gotta love a good infographic
so basically by attaching an actor to an actor
I have a quat
pallid compass
no wat
vale osprey
we should call them versors then π
frank escarp
i just grab the glm library that implements a Quat struct, and has a Quat To Matrix function
when i do graphics
last loom
It's not necessary
cloud cobalt
Honest truth, I don't know how quaternions work. I just know (for having tried) they're needed in many situations, because rotators fundamentally lack information for some rotations. On top of being needed, they have very interesting properties - composing multiple rotations is just a multiplication, for example.
last loom
I can do what you're talking about on blueprints no problem
it's just local + world rotation
add more actors and add even more axes
pallid compass
also quat solves gimbal lock issues off the bat
cloud cobalt
It's not about world + local
pallid compass
no u cant lmao
vale osprey
you can do linear interpolations and etc. nice thing
last loom
yes I did
my moon
is on something called Moon Root
I have Moon Root rotated to the amount it's off from the Earth's axis
cloud cobalt
Here it is again : you don't know anything about it, but you're sure you don't need it
last loom
and then I have a dymanic rotator for the moon on top of that
and I can change moon root dynamically over the 18-year precession cycle
so yes, I did
pallid compass
thats not quatin fam
last loom
I have 4 axes on blueprint only
vale osprey
ok, please do this then:
local rotation (90, 180, 270)
world space rotation (180, 0, 90)
what will be final world space rotation?
pallid compass
use a calculator
last loom
I don't know how
pallid compass
your about to run in to gimbal lock issue for one
last loom
which is
frank escarp
gimbal lock is a bitch
last loom
?
cloud cobalt
Gimbal lock, if you don't know, is a thing that nearly doomed Apollo missions
frank escarp
@last loom look up
pallid compass
gimbal lock is the reason for quat's
frank escarp
like 90 degrees
now your rotator is fucked
you lost one axis of movement, and you aint getting unlocked
cloud cobalt
Too bad NASA didn't have @last loom 's help on solving gimbal lock π¦
last loom
oh I see
frank escarp
quats are axis plus angle, arbitrary axis plus angle
last loom
basically what I've been doing
pallid compass
cloud cobalt
The typical problem with space games is when you go up, up, up and then slightly behind up. You should be able to do it all the way around, 360Β°, back to how you were
last loom
I work for NASA remember
vale osprey
you can do like this Q1 + Q20.5 + Q30.25 and get combination of multiple rotations smoothly over the surface of the sphere, doing the same with matrices is not as obvious
last loom
@cloud cobalt I can go all the way around on my character
my flying character doesn't even use a separate root actor
and no gimbal lock
cloud cobalt
Great !
last loom
the moon does
but that's different
so yeah as far as Descent style controls go
you don't need all that jazz
cloud cobalt
Then you don't need all that complicated stuff, good for you
last loom
right
that was the start of the conversation
so now we're back to the beginning
sinking, spinning
the question: "Would it be a gross misuse of character to just implement what should normally be pawn types as characters just to get at the replication features π€"
pallid compass
that was way before
last loom
"character has flying movement mode
you could use it for things like a spaceship
but
and very but
you probably are going to have characters anyway"
pallid compass
i mentioned quat's
cloud cobalt
It would or wouldn't depending on what you're doing
last loom
that was the point of the conversation
pallid compass
I was just saying about quat work for spaceships is fucking insanely good
last loom
that's what we were driving at
it was a long time ago doesn't make you right lol
get otuta hea
wary wave
you won't be able to replicate a 6DoF object using a character anyway
wary wave
and you will have to use quats to get something working properly
pallid compass
everything rotation like is basically quats under the hood as far as im aware
wary wave
doing it with euler angles is madness
last loom
@wary wave what's that mean if you don't mind me asking? #noob
the 6dof
the replicate
why can' you?
I have on mine
wary wave
six degrees of freedom, specifically
last loom
right
wary wave
and characters don't have six degrees of freedom
last loom
look up, look right, tilt right
I got that on a character
it goes all the way around each axis
I fly all over never get locked up
just using the code from the spaceship example with the cows
pallid compass
can u most gif of movement
last loom
and a few extra
pallid compass
post*
last loom
I have it on youtube somewhere
it's on my external hd right now cause I'm not working on it hold on
I'mma look it up
relaly curious
really*
pallid compass
yeah because true DOF6 and faking DOF6 is totally different
last loom
vale osprey
if you use AddRelativeRotations and etc, they use quats under the hood anyway
last loom
aha!!!
that's what I was asking earlier
so yeah I am using quats lmao
but it's only on the character right
so the questio nwas....
why not use a character if you don't need the other stuff
if only to use the prediction and 6dof?
wary wave
characters don't support 6 dof though
last loom
is there much cost?
does that video not say it does?
and Bored just says it's using quats
show*
last loom
....
wary wave
they are constrained to Z = up
last loom
which is very different from saying you can't do it
I can move up
when lying sideways
as that wizad
wary wave
I'm explaining to you WHY you can't do it
cloud cobalt
Here's the point I had to move from rotators to quaternions myself : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXTi5FxEFKg
That was years ago rofl
last loom
but you're...... telling me I CAN
cloud cobalt
Looks like shit π
last loom
and then saying I cant
pallid compass
i dont think u understand what amber is saying
last loom
Like I'm not trying to argueh ere
Bored made a very good point
that I am in fact using quats under the hood
wary wave
doesn't matter what you're doing
last loom
but the QUESTION from someone else was: why not using the character if only for the quats and etc
wary wave
collision capsules are axis aligned
last loom
is there much cost?
why do we need a character-less multiplayer tutorial
that was the start of all this and I'm sticking to it
cloud cobalt
We need a character-less multiplayer because non-character games can't seriously use the character class
pallid compass
locked on X?
wary wave
no, it can't rotate
cloud cobalt
They can't, no
wary wave
it will only rotate around the Z axis
vale osprey
capsule is always aligned with Z
pallid compass
tick ur root capsual
to display in to game
then fly around
and watch
capsule*
last loom
I bump into shit all the time with my character's head
wary wave
capsule component cannot rotate
last loom
like I said it's on another hard drive and I don't have the space to copy it over to disprove you lol
wary wave
trust me here, I've been using this engine for over a decade
pallid compass
ur capsule wont be rotating = fuck ton of issues
last loom
ok maybe ytou're thinking of decades old rules?
wary wave
oh ffs
cloud cobalt
He's got two companies, I'm trusting him
last loom
My character hits things with his head
vale osprey
lol
wary wave
look, either listen to the advice given, or stop arguing
last loom
with the capsule component
pallid compass
true me fam, amber knows what there talking about
pallid compass
Its a fact that ur capsule wont rotate
pallid compass
So u have ur first issue there
last loom
the "Fact" is something amber just said
pallid compass
root components wont rotate with ur 6dof
last loom
I'm sure it's possible because I did it myself
wary wave
I'm upset that you're wasting my time, which is why I'm at this point out of this conversation
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
last loom
Maybe I put it on a scene component
pallid compass
u cant move them its impossible
iv tried alot trust me lmao, when i first started 2 years ago
last loom
no offense but you joined the conversation midway, amber
cloud cobalt
I'm pissing myself of laughter myself here
frosty bloom
Why not just set HiddenInGame to false on the capsule component of the char and watch ingame?
last loom
so if yo udon't want to you don't have to take part
last loom
fine I'm gonna loadu p my flying game and check it out
plush yew
\
plush yew
cloud cobalt
@wary wave Weren't you around before UDK ?
plush yew
just released my game today
last loom
and proof
wary wave
@cloud cobalt - yeah
cloud cobalt
Congrats on shipping it @plush yew
pallid compass
now get ur ass ready for shitstorm of people screaming lmao
plush yew
ive been using c++
pallid compass
nice nice!
oh dude
make sure u build
a Self logging system in to everything
to make debugging easier
from other players
plush yew
I got curious about the capsule rotation thing. If you add to the roll of the actor, will the capsule not rotate?
pallid compass
pretty sure its locked in alignment
wary wave
^
pallid compass
also guys, what am i forgetting for basic item structure
i feel like iv forgotten something lmao
sorting my data assets out
wary wave
you can add relative rotation offsets to child components, but the capsule can only ever rotate around Z (yaw)
unfortunately the way Epic have set up their base classes, only characters have proper movement networking, and characters must use capsule components for collision
(character movement in fact requires it to be a capsule component unless you modify that)
absolute ballache for basic stuff like prone
vale osprey
the capsule is straight out of PhysX I think, one of the primittives
plush yew
Isn't this rotating the capsule? https://gyazo.com/5ef12384ad760121f9ed9f0d1c658a9c
wary wave
@vale osprey - it's a physx capsule, yeah
that looks like a rotating capsule, but I'm not sure what's actually happening there
last loom
@wary wave I'm still recompiling shaders on my flying project but what about rotating the controller?
plush yew
I'm just adding to the character's roll
wary wave
controllers aren't characters and aren't really replicated properly
last loom
true
but what about actor rotation
that must be what I'm doing too
1,000 shaders left..... π
pallid compass
cant comment got no idea wtf is going on there but thats not right
last loom
hahahahah
"thats not right"
"there's no way I'm seeing the earth as a sphere right now, there's just no way. It must be a mirror"
vale osprey
@plush yew well, try to check if your character fits somewhere for example
last loom
nope.gif
I told you I tested it with bumping my headi nt owalls dude
be in denial all you want
pallid compass
jesus man just hang on
last loom
hahaha
plush yew
I'll give it a go
pallid compass
we are not even sure whats happening
pallid compass
ugh im ngl
pallid compass
u have the worst fucking attitude in here
last loom
I try not to use words lijke "can't"
pallid compass
no wonder amber and vblanco stopped replying
last loom
unless I know it
hahahahah
the worst attitude because I'm getting talked down to by people who are wrong
"you slaves sure do have a foul attitude" is what that rings like buddy
pallid compass
u have no idea wtf ur talking about half the time
last loom
and wehen I don't, I ADMIT IT
unlike folks who don't
this is typical 100%
why I left a while ago
but I'm chill
no worries here
pallid compass
please leave again thx
last loom
β€ all around now that we got to the bottom of this
pallid compass
still not at the bottom of it LOL
theres reason's for alignment restrictions
and the way things work
wary wave
okay, so testing it, the visual of the capsule does rotate if you apply roll
last loom
is it possible that I'm using a pawn and not a character??
wary wave
however, the collision is not rotating with it
last loom
π
plush yew
@wary wave Mine seems to rotate
plush yew
Ill post gifs in a moment
last loom
I'm using a pawn on my flying game you guys
wary wave
I have it on my screen right now
last loom
so I'm right out π
cloud cobalt
I wouldn't say "just leave", but @last loom you really sound like the kind of person who tells astronauts they've never been on the Moon, and that they should be open to the fact that they haven't.
plush yew
Capsule not rotated: https://gyazo.com/412f39cff8a4e77a32d094255c4e050c
pallid compass
this is what i mean by u have no idea wtf ur talking about, before we even had chance to check wtf is going on ur just like
"U DUNT KNOW WHAT UR TALKIN ABOUT"
last loom
so you can get out with that kind of heresay
but I amiud it!!!
admit*
you refuse to admit it
and that's the difference
cloud cobalt
@last loom ambershee has been around for a literal decade and shipped multiple Unreal games
wary wave
I refuse to admit it because I'm not wrong?
pallid compass
no u assumed u where right
last loom
maybe it's all your attitude and not mine
pallid compass
"not sure whats going on"
cloud cobalt
You keep saying to others that they are wrong, when they have 10x your experience
pallid compass
does not translate to your right get a boner
last loom
you guys said "can't"
so I said "ok I'll go find out"
boom
that's what happened
you keep saying "your"
pallid compass
honestly, ur a fucking potato lmao, learn to sit down and listen before u jump up thinking your right
pallid compass
oh god
last loom
hahahaha
pallid compass
im sorry i didnt get a education like everyone else
pallid compass
not everyone has the money or family to go to school u fuck
last loom
lol wow
cloud cobalt
Let's all calm down
pallid compass
so get on your high horse and fuck off
plush yew
Collision rotated: https://gyazo.com/cc0fb87c39c93aea69497ff7c99c6524
plush yew
Hard to move the character cos of the rotation though so might not be super accurate
pallid compass
yeah it does not cost anything to get a correct English education, better tell that to everyone who spells anything wrong
last loom
Is it not a pawn, @plush yew ?
wary wave
@plush yew - the visible part is rotating
but look at the character itself, it is not going anywhere
last loom
@wary wave the collision is working
wary wave
the actual collision is static
plush yew
If you jump it should fall all the way to the ground
wary wave
no, it clearly isn't, otherwise it would fall to the floor when it orientates sideways
pallid compass
Listen to what ambers's saying your blind af
plush yew
In my gif, I jump and the capsule is further down
pallid compass
Im looking at it and u can see on rotation capsule collision does not update
wary wave
nothing happens until the jump
pallid compass
^
wary wave
exactly why, I don't know, but it isn't working as intended