It's like, if a second Netflix came along
#ue4-general
frosty copper
wary wave
Hulu :p?
vale osprey
with itch you need to market yourself, basically just as with steam now
frank escarp
Uplay and Origin are a thing
wary wave
(Amazon?)
frank escarp
and everyone hates them
wary wave
Hulu and Amazon did what every Steam competitor failed to do
and spent money on having content to actually draw people into their platforms
a lot of money
frosty copper
problem is, a lot'f people have a shitload of stuff on Steam already
so it's not like they'd be buying it again ๐ค
vale osprey
you spend money to make money, in case of Valve they would bother only when their own sales plummit
which will happen I guess in few years
frosty copper
Does make me wonder what's happening up at Valve.
vale osprey
technically there is very little point to publish on steam now, if you do marekting yourself and can convince GOG to take you on board
obsidian nimbus
they run around with pink vives on their heads
wary wave
people will buy a killer app if it isn't on Steam
if Itch had had Minecraft as it's killer app, everyone would be using Itch by now
surreal viper
i didn't buy an EA only game just cause it wasnt in steam :/
wary wave
Factorio is another example
surreal viper
also no way will i buy anything from windows store ๐
wary wave
I haven't bought an EA game in years because I'm pretty much done with EA games
they haven't put out anything interesting in close to a decade
obsidian nimbus
early access?
cloud cobalt
Most games aren't system sellers or killer apps, they're good or average and succeed based on the platform
wary wave
Electronic Arts
vale osprey
yeah Factorio was selling for a year or more from their own website
wary wave
years
Factorio was pretty successful outside of Steam
but yeah, most games aren't going to sell a platform, you need to commission or get a lot of exclusives and wait until one pays off
(like Amazon and Hulu did)
surreal viper
@wary wave unravel looked interesting and so does a way out
second is developed by the guy who worked on brothers tale of two sons
vale osprey
long term it might be better to stick to "transparent" system like itchio as it's something that is easy to replace when needed, humble bundle have their widget too
wary wave
both of those are independent studios with publishing deals, but I can't say I'm very interested in either
vale osprey
get used to marketing outside of steam, patching and drm on your own and etc
surreal viper
still the first is origin only and most likely the second will be too ๐ฆ
wary wave
oddly enough, I think if Discord could raise the capital to commission some decent games, I think they could have a chance to set themselves up as a curated marketplace
wary wave
in the gaming world they have an enormous userbase already
surreal viper
the only reason for hackers not to break your game is if nobody cares about it in the first place
sounds like wasted time and money
wary wave
it's possible more people are using Discord than Origin at this point
okay, I way underestimated
vale osprey
@surreal viper to offset your game being "bombed" on g2a
wary wave
there are nearly as many people using Discord as Steam
surreal viper
huh discord could be a cool
wary wave
broke 100 million users last year
surreal viper
platform
frosty copper
@surreal viper agreed. If people want to not pay for the game and still play it, they damn well will find a way, and after minor DRM to keep the normal people at check, any more becomes detremental to any legit player
vale osprey
you need a minimal DRM to prevent reselling of the same key
many people still don't understand what G2A is and think that they purchase legitimate keys
frosty copper
yeah, Key DRM stuff, but anything after that is just... pointless imo
surreal viper
anyway as an indie dev I will simply stay with steam cause players used to buy stuff there
and that can make a huge difference for my game
frosty copper
If it was made by man, it can be broken by Man
surreal viper
even if steam does not give me visibility, I think it effects the sales positively anyway
cloud cobalt
Steam is a huge sales boost even with zero visibility
fierce tulip
kindred viper
or suffer from epilepsy
vale osprey
not sure about that - non or very little reviews on steam can be worse than publishing on itchio
frosty copper
did ya have fun with that @fierce tulip ? XD
cloud cobalt
Needs more Daft Punk
fierce tulip
i tend to do it quite a bit, sometimes I dont even realize it
frosty copper
:p
kindred viper
you should have been around in the 80's and 90's when the demo scene was at its peak @fierce tulip
vale osprey
very dramatic magic spell VFX ๐
fierce tulip
crypt of the necrodancer hehe
frosty copper
๐ค isn't it also possible to set it up in such a way that a game purchased on Itch can give you a valid key for steam?
vale osprey
aha ๐
frank escarp
@fierce tulip crypt of the necrodancer OST is great
vale osprey
@frosty copper possible but you will be publishing on steam then
fierce tulip
yea i saw a few of the playtroughs
frosty copper
@vale osprey yeah, still have the notion that releasing on both wouldn't be a bad idea.
vale osprey
you need to be careful with it, I don't know how it's now but previously, you could get locked into steam for at least a year
wary wave
Crypt of the Necrodancer does have a pretty good soundtrack
frosty copper
oh. Fun. x_x
vale osprey
one of the devs who was here posted on forum about 1-2 years ago how they couldn't sign a deal with publisher because they did Greenlight
maybe it changed since
frosty copper
ouch. might be different now since it's not Greenlight
would like to think it's changed. ๐ค
vale osprey
well, it benefits Valve to keep it and I don't know why they would drop it
frosty copper
that kind of archaic bullshit needs to just...
๐ค they're still the biggest games distribution service for Desktop computer games.
vale osprey
if they would have a separate program without 30% cut it would be nice
like you just use their infrastructure and pay for it but publish on your own channels
frosty copper
Sounds like it'd be nice, but can't help but feel like from this convo Valve are turning into the lazy corporate greedy kinda company
vale osprey
basically, if someone will setup an infrastructure service, it could kill Steam, as professional devs could simply boycott it.
like practically speaking, if many people would already use something else for "updating" their gamelibrary, then why do you even need steam?
it's quite anti-consumer at this point too
frosty copper
you'd just have to combat the convenience for end users then
vale osprey
like look at this:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/251950/WWII_Online/
and then check actual reviews
how this is allowed on steam is beyond my understanding
surreal viper
why does it say Positive and only 27 reviews ๐ฎ
fluid stag
vale osprey
cause devs manipulated it
they have excuse like they show only paying customers or something like that
it was f2p for few weeks
frosty copper
There's 1,556 reviews in total
vale osprey
exactly
but you don't see it on front page
the other thing steam allows to do is keep re-publishing your game
frosty copper
huh.
vale osprey
to flush mostly negative reviews
frosty copper
didn't know you could do subscription games on steam
wary wave
you can
there are a few different models you can do
including things like game cafe license options
frosty copper
huh. interadasting. o_o
halcyon shore
Oh hey @fierce tulip and @wild kestrel weird where old LBP people pop up ๐
frank escarp
maybe they will appear in that Dreams game?
fierce tulip
also heya, long time no talk! r1 + XXXXXXXXXXXX
frank escarp
im still jelly its ps4 exclusive
halcyon shore
I've been seeing you post stuff on here for ages!
frank escarp
that thing would be god tier in PC + vr (it works on psvr)
fierce tulip
@frank escarp there where some rumors that you can export the meshes you create in it.
halcyon shore
Been watching your particle stuff grow! Its getting so good im getting jealous ๐ฆ
fierce tulip
thanks, long way to go still though hehe
kindred viper
anyone ever had an error about a blueprint failing to load in editor on startup, but it actually loads?
halcyon shore
I super liked the new one you posted the other week, the low poly stuff
halcyon shore
yeah looks like it! is it available anywhere im looking for some particles like that :p
fierce tulip
what you been up to?
kindred viper
o'really message log?
fierce tulip
once its done i'll be putting it up to the marketplace
halcyon shore
uh recently ive been getting into making a game, I made a vr game which was at Day of the Devs
fierce tulip
sweet
halcyon shore
tried Unity for a while ๐ฎ but I'm bad at coding so I've jumped to UE
fierce tulip
its funny, sumo & tarsier are also using ue4 more and more, so we slowely see more and more lbp peeps appear
hyperdude as well
think ive seen jump button do something with it
grumposUK
@glossy relic
I mean
fierce tulip
nuclearfish has been using unreal/udk a loooot as well
latent moth
Hello, I don't understand why my weapon spawned in game is bigger than the preview that I get when I set up the socket.
halcyon shore
https://twitter.com/73_Studio_73/status/965722875381592064 I've been doing cool stuff
latent moth
Raildex told me to set the socket properties to absolute but I can't find that property anywhere
fierce tulip
glitchfish is here somewhere as well
halcyon shore
Jumpbutton been working on their game for ages
fierce tulip
last time I saw something from him/them/whatever he tried a kickstarter which failed hard. mainly because he used generic tiling stuff from some generic unity pack and not-as-good gameplay
fierce tulip
and @wild kestrel got mastablasta to make music for him during last ue4 gamejam hehe
frank escarp
the issue is that PSVR is trash
and PSMoves are crappy
the technollogy of it, on the higher resolution and much more accurate and 360 tracking of PC, would be awesome
halcyon shore
im trying to look for arty people to help me with my game but its hard ๐ฆ
frank escarp
becouse it would leave oculus Medium, and Tilt Brush into the absolute dust
@halcyon shore good luck mate i have successful projects released on ps4 and cant find artists
fierce tulip
yea, people have mouths to feed.
halcyon shore
ahaha
fierce tulip
imho sometimes its better to get people to contribute small things instead of trying to keep em project-long
halcyon shore
I can make low poly stuff but I want good low poly stuff ๐
yeh I got lots of people I met when I was doing team fortress 2 stuff
frank escarp
im glad i can use asset packs
currently developing procedural dungeon systems, based on grid aligned sections that get arranged well
halcyon shore
oh yeh I have a map official in tf2 ๐ http://www.teamfortress.com/invasion/ (Watergate)
fierce tulip
nice! always good to get work on such platforms
halcyon shore
yeh working with Valve was very interesting
fierce tulip
I bet hehe
uneven maple
Hi, does anyone have experience with AR (augmented reality) for Android and iOS?
What plugin or sdk did you use for this?
fierce tulip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PipflS1Q4Ec got released today on xbox1/ps4
kindred viper
@uneven maple 4.19 has a template for it.
fierce tulip
proud
frank escarp
@fierce tulip congrats
halcyon shore
ill buy it on pay day :p
frank escarp
your gameplay clips look somehow choppy
in the trailer
some of them look like the frames arent quite right
uneven maple
@kindred viper For android too?
halcyon shore
It says at the end?
kindred viper
I cant recall. I just say "ARKit Template". I presume its for mobile as half the bloody engine is these days :p
tall pendant
@frank escarp ? yes.
fierce tulip
@frank escarp yuz
tall pendant
only World 1 tho ๐
fierce tulip
we added some additional maps since
uneven maple
@kindred viper Thanks
fierce tulip
and currently doing an additional optimization pass amongst other things.
I improved/redid most vfx
frank escarp
how is it running pn consoles?
alpha heavy effects like particles tend to work horribly
frank escarp
30 fps?
fierce tulip
(after a huge optimization pass)
that I am not certain and cant ask, team is celebrating atm XD
and I am here doing other work <_< hehe
frank escarp
it aint easy to release on consoles
how did it go on the review part?
do you know how many times you failed sony QA?
fierce tulip
overall positive, around 6.5 - 8.0 scores
fierce tulip
yea, now its slipgate & 3drealms, with license now owned by thq nordic
Iunno, quite a few times for sure @frank escarp
frank escarp
i failed 2 times and passed the 3rd
doing all the testing myself is super problematic
kindred viper
did they outlay where you failed or just left you to figure it out?
fierce tulip
they give somewhat decent reports
kindred viper
beats Oculus then.
frank escarp
yup, they give you a exact report
and in the "VRConsultation" part
(only for vr games)
they actually give you videos of EVERY bug they find
kindred viper
thats awesome
frank escarp
to show you exactly how its broken
tall pendant
Oculus just rejects w/o any info?
frank escarp
for example they complained about zfighting in some zones of DWVR
kindred viper
they did for a game I worked on yeah
frank escarp
and they had a video of the exact corner that was zfighting
oculus essentially has "passed/notpassed" on each item
Playstation gives you the exact bug they found, and direct repllication steps
latent moth
So... here's what I mean: IN GAME vs IN SKELETON EDITING... I don't get why the gun becomes bigger. Any ideas that I can try?
frank escarp
socket transform
latent moth
what do you mean
fierce tulip
anyways @halcyon shore nice to have you around :)dont become a stranger!
frank escarp
your socket/bone is not 1 size
latent moth
I do not apply transformation
I just create the socket, add a preview, only MOVE it (no scale)
halcyon shore
@fierce tulip Ye I'm sure ill be around more ๐ Gonna have more to show of my stuff soon ๐
willow wave
Hello everyone, are here any french people online?
vapid spoke
Yes, why ? @willow wave
plush yew
Hello,
I have a trouble.
When I apply a material in a huge mesh, it scale up with the mesh. There is a way to scale down the material? I tried with landscape coords but it's really innacurate
willow wave
@vapid spoke i'm romanian, working on a project which needs to be in french. can you help me translate some things from english into french?
vapid spoke
ok
languid shard
oh, preview 4 just got released
cloud cobalt
Preview 4 ?
languid shard
4.19 prev4
tawdry narwhal
sweet
tawdry narwhal
I'm just waiting for the substance plugin to make the upgrade
cloud cobalt
Yeah
wary wave
preview 4 was a while ago, we used it for the game jam xD
plush yew
i just want to ask how legit is it to use a 3d model from a game and import it to urs ?
frank escarp
around incredibly illegal and incredibly illegal
plush yew
have you heard of copyright
i just ask*
if it's free to use it's free to use
cuse copyrights stuff
kindred viper
@plush yew think thats done in the material with scaling of the uvs
plush yew
how a developer should find out it his model ?
if i modifie it its not more the same
lel
frank escarp
its usually very easy to know
wary wave
^
frank escarp
and seriously, thats jail tier illegal
plush yew
but how is it if i modiefie it
frank escarp
unless you live in china
frank escarp
a company did it
plush yew
can i use it then ?
frank escarp
got bankrupt from the lawsuit
plush yew
im such noob ^^
but i want learn a bit
so im not allowed to use the car ? if its from a game ?
wary wave
learn by doing, not by ripping
you can't use ANY model you do not have explicit permission to use
plush yew
i understand
aww
doing them by my self would break evrything
im not a company
lol
cloud cobalt
Most of us aren't companies either
kindred viper
welcome to the machine
plush yew
or i buy those models
legit and i need to have evrything documentet
lul
<<< goes in a corner and cry
kindred viper
im in the same boat dude. I cant afford to buy models, so I just use placeholders and get someone else to do them. My current project I ripped CS_Office from counterstrike to use as a test level ๐
plush yew
sounds nice ^^
cloud cobalt
@plush yew Real talk : most of us here work alone or in small teams. We don't have large art teams to do stuff.
kindred viper
naah it looks terrible
cloud cobalt
You can do one of two things : buy more assets, and reduce your scope
plush yew
i want make something simple
kindred viper
i only needed the layout so i dont mind
cloud cobalt
"Something simple" is something you can do all by yourself
plush yew
ehhh
cloud cobalt
If you can't, surely it's not that simple
kindred viper
cube.fbx
cloud cobalt
People who learn gamedev often say stuff like, "I just want to do PUBG with racecars"
"simple"
"Just like WOW but with dragons"
cloud cobalt
That's hardly simple stuff
plush yew
lul
tall pendant
a simple cs:go but with good graphics
kindred viper
empty the greyzone is called greyboxing. Just use stuff as placeholders, then switch it out as you can afford it
kindred viper
if its functional at least there is something to see, then you can try get funding based on actually having something to show
tall pendant
the grayness of life
obsidian nimbus
epic has a lot of free models u can use, some of those look a lil like a train i guess
plush yew
mapping a bit round would make fun
cloud cobalt
Start with very small games
frank escarp
the first game i published was Deathwave
cloud cobalt
Nothing in your first game is going to be any good
frank escarp
3 levels made out of some free asset packs
and some enemy skeletons and stuff from mixamo
plush yew
making a map isnt that hard i guess
frank escarp
the code literally cant be simpler, some basic shooting mechanics and basic as fuck ai
frank escarp
hahahaha, level creation is super hard
kindred viper
I saw your DWVR on PS Store the other day vblanco. it was 3rd in the display of VR games
frank escarp
@kindred viper country?
kindred viper
uk
frank escarp
@kindred viper i sell beetween 3 and 4 times more in the USA
yet somehow im frontpaged in euro, while im not in usa
gonna do the report about sales to epic, btw. Have to pay my 5%
wich is actually more than just 5%...
kindred viper
@plush yew If you can't make a whole game, make the parts you can, then maybe get others looking for portfolio peices to donate time for the other stuff. There are plenty of people who will do a week's work to get something out there
tall pendant
so its ~7.5%-10%? @frank escarp
frank escarp
yup
tall pendant
aye
plush yew
@kindred viper ty for tryn help me
frank escarp
plush yew
i would need someone who teach me a bit
frank escarp
page 2 in the psvr hub in the playstation store (spain, pc)
plush yew
mhh
frank escarp
beetween skyrim vr and rec room lol
safe rose
@plush yew Rahahhahhha
plush yew
pshht ^^
safe rose
Pssh, not even close to being pro
plush yew
xD
kindred viper
we all start at the beginning
kindred viper
it helps that its also fun. I treat it like playing an MMO. Everytime I play I level up
safe rose
Mostly you will be learning on the job
safe rose
The issue with "just watching" though
Is that everyone does things differently
And chances are, if you start to work on something, your brain will think of doing an implementation a different way than what you may have seen in the past
Also the issue with watching tutorials, but those are worse.
Good trap
Zombie Watching
kindred viper
im optimising something I wrote over a year ago, and I really want to remake it from scratch and use new stuff I learned since. Which is a good sign
safe rose
safe rose
Cheater
karmic thistle
guys, something is buggin on my UE
do you know what type of USB is it and what is the 10 number?
is this probably causing me problems? i had there connected my keyboard
karmic thistle
could it make crazy a normal 2.0 keyboard?
languid shard
"Works with both existing 5Gbps USB 3.0 hubs and devices, as well as USB 2.0 products" from the USB.org website
karmic thistle
for some reason usb 3.0 doesnt me allow to use Xbox Controller for testing games, y have to connect it to normal 2.0
maeby i should dont use this usb port?
languid shard
might be some faulty usb3.0 controller drivers then
check if you need to install a driver for these
karmic thistle
i will try, thanks LFL
languid shard
all good ๐
sudden agate
UE 4.19 P5. Engine still crashes when trying to type something into the console โค
sudden agate
yes
languid shard
how the fuck can you dev without a console ๐
languid shard
I'm using 4.19 everyday and have no issue with the console, either in editor or in pie
fierce tulip
grim ore
I got my PS4 code for that a few days ago. Itโs definitely a lot more enjoyable kicking back in the bed using a controller.
Runs great on the pro as well, no issues so far and looks great.
fierce tulip
glad to hear ๐
halcyon shore
is there anyreason why ue4 just randomly freezes?
surreal viper
yes
halcyon shore
why ๐ฎ
surreal viper
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
kindred viper
Anyone know a way of turning off all the Comment Bubbles when zoomed? I can't see an option for it in preferences and I have soooo many comments that it would take the piss to do it manually.
fierce tulip
there was an option for it afaik, but not sure where.
kindred viper
there are individual options but I cant find a global one
nope. now I have to go through every one and turn them off. Seems a bit counter productive
ugh only a few hundred comments to do. can I really be arsed?
paper rampart
kindred viper
might see if I can be lazy and trawl the bp for them in text ๐
kindred viper
hey
worn granite
And, to make it even better, I don't think it sticks.
worn granite
I've had comments not stay removed
kindred viper
hmm forgot blueprints are binary. scuppered again
fierce tulip
^ dutch for dick
worn granite
What, LUL ?
fierce tulip
ye
worn granite
idc doesn't matter to me LUL
fierce tulip
quite an offensive one as well hehe
worn granite
fierce tulip
basically the dutch version of ahole
so its always odd to see it written/spoken bij non-dutchies
plush yew
Guys,
Any good way to make a big ocean without copying and pasting a small plane? (With the sea material)
worn granite
make a big plane
plush yew
yes, but the texture become too big
worn granite
scale it
Also more of a joke but would technically be better than lots of little planes.
kindred viper
https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/761309/comment-bubbles-need-a-global-setting.html help a poor guy out with a vote thanks ๐
worn granite
You can also detach the scaling from its actual size and then only use planes the size of which are suited to what you can see.
Could also take a medium sized plane and move it around with the player and have a larger plane with a material that fades in around the player so they're never both visible
plush yew
By texture or landscape coordinate?
fierce tulip
https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/got-skills-looking-for-talent/job-offerings/1432267-create-an-anime-game
mmorpg anime game, you should all join and help
marble nacelle
hi guys
and girls ๐
does anyone know what dark magic I have to conjure to change the email on my epic account?
fierce tulip
need to sacrifice 12 goats or send @wicked tiger a cute kitten gif.
whichever you prefer.
surreal viper
poor goats
frosty bloom
Would it not be possible to just sacrifice 12 goats to Amanda?
tame delta
Anyone knows why my framerate is always divided by 4/5 when moving the cursor in simulation?
drop from 40 to 9, very consistently, gets back up to 40 as soon as I stop moving my mouse
It's something I've dealt with for a long time, I always just worked around it but when trying to simulate physics it's a bother to always keep my mouse static lest I break the whole thing
marble nacelle
@fierce tulip lol thank you.
wild glacier
Someone who is waiting a Spore 2?
spare blade
Question about displacement mapping. is displacement maping used very much in game design to add detail to say a creatures face ? Or is it better to stick with Normal mapping ?
obsidian nimbus
prolly better to get that info from google and make up ur own mind about that ๐
they both add detail, now u know whats the diffrence, can look at the free epic stuff how they did it
celest creek
Anyone in the LA area looking for work?
Looking for someone fluent in Unreal, a technical artist with blueprint experience, C++ a definite plus. If you're a solid programmer we can ease off the technical artistry. Position is for a realtime visualization project for a world famous band. Pretty fun stuff.
Message me privately if interested. Literally just starting to look for someone and thought I'd pop in here first. Thanks!
paper kernel
short dagger
anyone know why my friend is getting: GenerateProjectFiles ERROR: We couldn't find a valid installation of Visual Studio. This program requires either Visual Studio 2013 or Visual Studio 2012. Please check that you have Visual Studio installed, then verify that the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\VisualStudio\12.0\InstallDir (or HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\VisualStudio\12.0\InstallDir on 32-bit machines) registry value is set. Visual Studio configures this value when it is installed, and this program expects it to be set to the '\Common7\IDE' sub-folder under a valid Visual Studio installation directory.
he doesn't even have 2013/2012 installed and he's installed the C++ toolset for VS2017
grim ore
if it's asking for 2012/13 that seems like a very old version of the code
short dagger
apparently he has it on separate drives which, while i'm not sure why it causes an issue, is i'm guessing why it's an issue. that error seems to only pop up if it can't find an install of VS, which if you run the batch command that the error stems from, it's finding it fine on his machine
iron belfry
I have a question, what are non-streaming mips?
frosty bloom
Wild guessing here, Texture it looks like
upper heart
Do you have a lot of textures set to not stream?
weary viper
If you are using a lot of textures that are not power of two you won't be able to enable texture streaming on those.
iron belfry
well, textures are set to stream, right now im checking the power of 2 thing just to ensure everything streams
timber slate
Hey, how should I profile performace for lower spec machines than mine (for VR) ? I have a GTX 1080ti, i7 6700k.
Is there a way to simulate it?
plush yew
is unreal engine good for making a flight simulator on the whole globe?
livid haven
No engine is really fit to handle a to-scale or even highly-reduced scale world out of the box.
No commercially available, well-known ones anyways.
Kerbal Space Program was made with Unity, but they had to do a lot of gross hacky workarounds to deal with the scale of things and moving the world relative to the ship instead of vice versa.
livid haven
Emphasis on out of the box.
It's not really as simple as turning on some feature and going to town on making all the world tiles.
floral heart
You've gone from "good" to "possible"
plush yew
huh?
floral heart
If we're strict, GTA has a bunch of custom features that don't exist in UE4, so it's not "possible".
worn granite
Can you define "out of the box" please?
plush yew
@Dementiurge#1853 and what if we talk just about the size of the game, everything there, no loading times for the players, after initial loading?
you load it once and the whole thing is there.
can ue handle such a thing with the size of gta ?
(not that i would do such things)
worn granite
GTA absolutely has loading times lol
worn granite
you don't see a lot of them, but there are moments that make you wait for things to load
livid haven
@worn granite Out of the box as in there's enough functionality right there, without modifying the engine heavily, to achieve whatever is being asked about satisfactorily.
livid haven
Ideally. Yeah.
obsidian nimbus
i made a map and it was huge, but it sucked
livid haven
Star Citizen, for example, had to dramatically alter Cryengine to handle 64-bit positions and introduce a more complex transform hierarchy. Those were pretty deep changes to get the scale they wanted.
And they still use a scaled down solar system.
Having Earth, to scale, would still be a pretty major undertaking.
bitter meadow
Hey people, i need some help with my landscape. When i make a hole, the character gets stuck right on it.
I set up the holematerial. and the landscapematerial has a visibility mask.
I tried to recreate it but on another project it works fine.
floral heart
Looking back at another discussion, world_max is around 20km. Not sure if that's total or radial.
obsidian nimbus
aint caves usually done with meshes and not landscape?
bitter meadow
dont think so, but im a noob. there are many tutorials that show how to build a cave into the landscape like this one
i have done all of it but my character wont fall trough a hole ๐ฆ
obsidian nimbus
I dunno, i suck at lvl editing
and modeling, and coding, and some other stuff ๐
obsidian nimbus
hell, im even bad at playing games ๐
bitter meadow
lol
cyan gazelle
hey whats the word for when you pay for 30 days of something but dont get it for 3 of those days so they have to credit you back
"i want a 3 day ____ on my bill"
bitter meadow
refund ?
cyan gazelle
theres another word for it
obsidian nimbus
revenge?
worn granite
reimbursement
cyan gazelle
reimbursement could work
stray smelt
I'm suddenly unable to add components/tiles to my landscape? I can delete, but not add
worn granite
I'd either use reimbursement or just say "I didn't receive service for this period, I'd like a refund/my money back for that period/amount of money that period costs"
stray smelt
nvm apparently it was defaulting to no visibility
cyan gazelle
i used reimbursement and the girl said ok so im getting 3 days of money back
cox sux dix
restive eagle
i have an actor with scene capture component, do I need to spawn this actor for each of my mesh i want to display or is it somehow possible to use one?
spare blade
Does UE4 support UDIM UV Tiling?
grim sinew
Nope you need to use multiple materials if you want multiple texture sets
crisp fable
so i was working on my underwater game but as you get deeper it gets pitch black and i got scared
so i dont go down there any more
gloomy pollen
Has anyone seen a plugin or API or something that allows you to access a shell/terminal on another server? Like a passthrough for a linux shell.
grim juniper
Is there a way to use vertex snapping with spline points? I wan't to move points on my spline to line up with the verts on a mesh.
languid flax
@crisp fable lol! Underwater games are cool
trim trail
when do you think ue4 4.19 will be released?
gritty kindle
Hi, I'm relatively new to UE4, I'm having editor performance problems. I have a dual xeon 20 core workstation, 96GB of ram, GTX 1080, etc. Runs Houdini/Maya fine. UE4, when it comes to wiring nodes in material editor is super floaty/laggy .. lit makes it really difficult to work in the software, It feels like, something is trying to take over the mouse position and animate connections for me if that makes any sense. Is there anything I can turn on/off or disable in UE4 to improve performance?
spare blade
Will UE Auto generate a lightmap if I havent layed out a texture UV map ?
grim sinew
No, it can't generate fresh UVs, it can only repack them.
spare blade
@grim sinew I have a very complex piece of architexture I got from a autocad file. So I got lots of little pieces, which I had to combine. To UV this "room" would take too long. So I am wondering if I have to make a UV map in order to get shadow information ?
grim sinew
You UV it. There is no other way around it. Unreal cannot generate UVs from scratch.
It's not a thing the program is capable of doing, no matter how badly you need it. ๐ฆ
spare blade
I curently have a very bad UV map with lots of overlapping. I have noticed that if I turn on "Overridden Lightmap Res" shadows will fall on my object correctly. Do you know Why am I seeing sucessfull shadows if my UV is so bad
grim sinew
Unreal is probably repacking them and making an attempt, but really I can't say without looking at it.
Also overriding the lightmap resolution is going to, until the next bake, use fully dynamic lighting.
It may just be that.
spare blade
I was going to send you a screen grab of my UV channel , but I dont see the point because it is a big tangled block of mesh (Lots of overlapping) Though, the object its self is recieving shadows ?
grim sinew
As I said, it's probably dynamic shadows.
spare blade
The object is a static object.
grim sinew
That doesn't matter, if you change the lightmap resolution and haven't rebaked it.
spare blade
Oh so I can only get a true idea of what whill happen once I bake lights? Dont trust the editor ?
grim sinew
In the viewport press ctrl+0 to bring up lightmap density view mode, it'll have one square per lightmap pixel. Or you can just push the button to bake lights.
spare blade
how do I get out of that "lightmap density view mode"
grim sinew
ctrl+4
spare blade
Oh man I am screwed, I have a very insane piece of architecture that it sounds like I will need to UV map before I can proceed !
grim sinew
If you want static lights, almost certainly.
spare blade
Oh so I can get away without having to UV by using dynamic lights ?
grim sinew
Yes, but then RIP performance.
Unreal isn't built for having a ton of dynamic lights.
Especially a ton of shadowed dynamic lights.
spare blade
I might be able to get away with having just a few dynamic lights and one postprocessing volume . Does that sound like a workable idea ?
grim sinew
I don't know your scene. Try it.
spare blade
I am building something like a VR experience of a haunted house. some pools of light here and there but mostly ambient light and ambient shadows
grim sinew
If you're doing VR, don't bother with dynamic lights, it's a waste of time. It won't run.
grim flame
dynamic lights + VR = no
grim sinew
There's no way out of it. UV it.
spare blade
I wish I could show you what I have to UV. THink of a decorative chinese temple with lots of wooden screens and slats for light to get in.
grim sinew
It doesn't matter what you have to UV, when you said VR you took away every other option. You cannot use any tricks in VR for lighting.
It has to be done, one way or the other.
spare blade
I did, in maya. but it basiclly layed out every poly into a 0-1 UV space. Looks like tiny specks. it may work
grim flame
all 3d apps have a way to do an atlas UV unwrapping, (quick and dirty way to lay everthing out in the UVwithout intersecting)
grim sinew
No, it won't work. You can't have an entire scene UVed on 1 lightmap.
You need to break it up into smaller pieces.
spare blade
This is what maya's auto UV gave me .
grim flame
holy crap
grim sinew
No way in hell is that ever going to work.
grim sinew
You have days of work ahead of you. You're going to need to break apart, UV, and reconstruct the scene.
There is no possible way, at all, to make something like this work.
Not in VR, not in realtime. You have a lot of work ahead of you.
grim flame
you or a professional 3d artist
spare blade
Thanks for your info guys. I need to go and cry now.
crisp fable
anyone know how to use a 16bit png in unreal?
all the options seem to be 8bit and im getting horrific stepping
bugger it im using an old unity trick
grim sinew
Some of the texture formats support HDR
brave drift
One more preview ??? o.O So release will be at GDC date
devout gulch
nah on GDC there will be (hopefully) new build with some unannoucned features yet (;
wary wave
I'll happily trade unannounced features for polished existing features...
devout gulch
it does not sell
wary wave
perhaps, but Lumberyard is beginning to look pretty good to me
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
their tools are steadily improving and they have excellent support
all without a 5% royalty
if it continues, I'd probably be looking at Lumberyard for future projects by the time next GDC comes around
grim sinew
Same, Lumberyard's booth, if they have one, is definately going to be on my to-do list this GDC
quasi lake
Is there a byteconverter class for UE4?
wary wave
byteconverter?
grim sinew
I just wish they would get rid of the photoshop/maya plugins like the cryengine v did
quasi lake
uint8 converter
like:int2uint8*,float2uint8*
And the reverse
uint8* to int
uint8* to float
Need to encode and decode bytes array for network data communication
Anyone knows?
Or should I use C++ standard library?
devout gulch
grim sinew
2017, not 2018 ๐
wary wave
@quasi lake - I would probably use 3rd party code for something like that, yeah
quasi lake
Is there any commended ones?
wary wave
I doubt anyone in here knows
grim sinew
Yay!
quasi lake
Emm
devout gulch
what I do know. Do not even get into CryEngine
grim sinew
I hear the docs for lumberyard are a lot better
devout gulch
they just as bad as any other docs for any other engine
quasi lake
Like for C#,microsoft has its BitConverter to do the job
grim sinew
Better compared to the Cryengine, that is.
plush yew
i cna personally recommend lumberyard
grim sinew
Given, that's not a very high bar.
plush yew
they'll be getting their own version of Blueprints
it's alredy there, and being actively worked on
plush yew
it's the only reason i used unreal for now
devout gulch
right now it's crap
plush yew
because canvas isn't deep enough
devout gulch
but at least
plush yew
apart from that, i'll take cryengine over urnealengine any day
devout gulch
it's not god damn VM byte code
plush yew
sorry, not cryengine, lumberyard
devout gulch
that can screw you because asset broken..
grim sinew
Until it can compete with Unreal fully though, it's a hard sell to use Script Canvas. Blueprint handles everything from opening doors to full AI. Do they plan on matching all the features like behavior trees?
devout gulch
I will try lumberyard again when they add VS2017 support..
they have behavior trees
I mean whatever was forken from CryEngine at the time
plush yew
@devout gulch yea thats a good point, i'm used to having cryengine's full sourcecode
never considered that the public versions don't
plush yew
that said, i'm still paying attention to canvas, and as soon as i feel like it's good enough, i'll switch back
devout gulch
anyway for Lumberyard what I really miss is some roadmap
devout gulch
I have honestly no idea where this engine is going..
frank escarp
and the engine had like 4-5 different systems for coding game logic
some of them old, others new and buggy
plush yew
Vblanco, then you're stupid, you can use ANY cryengine resource, it's almost all 1:1
grim sinew
Yeah, a roadmap for Lumberyard would be great. They have a forum post about what they're up to but it needs to be more prominant
devout gulch
Lua, C++, Script Canvas, Componenets..
plush yew
and there's a TON of documentation on it
i agree there's a bunch of redundant stuff in it
but canvas is supposed to unify a bunch of that as well
plush yew
like the 'vehicle' system that exists in cryengine is a complete abomination
grim sinew
C# is only the CEV, not LY
plush yew
it's literally a leftover unfinished 'crysis 1 jeep system'
frank escarp
didnt they just add it in lumberyard recently?
grim sinew
Not yet
frank escarp
lol
plush yew
Flowgraph is solid though
devout gulch
flowgraph is Deprecated
frank escarp
flowgraph is garbage
grim sinew
I think the biggest barrier to LY right now is the uncertainty of it. Every few months, something is totally ripped out and replaced.
devout gulch
it's only for one level logic
grim sinew
It's still clearly a beta product
plush yew
yeah, but that's an easy fix, inside
devout gulch
what is really uncertain if amazon just not getbored of it and scrap it
frank escarp
ue4 blueprint is FAR better than that
grim sinew
They're not going to scrap it, they opened multiple game studios specificially for LY
devout gulch
of course there is chance for that
devout gulch
you just as easily close those studios
grim sinew
They paid an insane amount of money setting it up, put multiple games in development, set up studios, got a ton of talent, etc.
frank escarp
one of those already failed completely
devout gulch
For Amazon this money is drop in the water
they probabaly make more in two months on AWS
plush yew
wew, almost like setting up businesses to push new technology has inherent risks associated with it, @frank escarp
devout gulch
then they paid for this game buisness
plush yew
who'd have guessed?!
grim sinew
LY is Amazon's answer to indie studios not really using AWS too often. It's a long term project for them, just like the Twitch aquisition was.
devout gulch
indie studios don't use AWS
because it's the most expensive cloud effering
offering*
grim sinew
Exactly, and LY heavily incentivizes it.
cloud cobalt
To be honest, Epic Games might stop doing real updates on UE4 too
devout gulch
well we always have Unity
grim sinew
And yeah, that's true too. We really have no guarantee -any- company is going to keep making engine upgrades aside from Unity. Nobody but Unity has that much skin in the game where if they shut down engine dev, the company would close.
devout gulch
if Epic stop engine development they will shut down too
grim sinew
Epic could close down public UE4 updates tomorrow (it would be financially idiotic for them to, but they could) and just coast on Fortnite BR
cloud cobalt
It's not unheard of to have companies abandon a wildly successful product because they found something even more successful. Valve is a great example of that, moving from games, to Steam, to VR - every time lowering efforts on the previous business
devout gulch
that Games do not make any real money for Epic ?
cloud cobalt
Valve abandoned HL, one of the most praised game franchises ever
devout gulch
Epic makes shitload of money now from Enterprise contracts
cloud cobalt
And they kind of abandoned Steam
devout gulch
that's why they push engine so heavily in this direction
grim sinew
Right, from enterprise. Something they could handle on a case by case basis, without worrying about maintaining the public engine releases.
plush yew
unrealengine is a pain in the dick to use for large projects in my experience
grim sinew
They could. They won't, but they could.
plush yew
but that's just my personal experience
devout gulch
yes, the public releases are just good will to existing customers
plush yew
it's why i'm happy to use it for my own little projects, but would never accept a job that's based on unrealengine
cloud cobalt
@plush yew imho UE4 is the best engine for huge projects. C++, access to source code, huge tools for sharing content, etc
devout gulch
imagine the shit hell hole they would put themselves into if they just stopped giving updates
grim sinew
Unreal right now, for many, is the best option out of a list of mediocre options. No engine right now has really nailed being good at -everything-. Like if you want to use dynamic lighting, Unreal is immediately the weakest option between LY, UE4, and Unity.
But they do better than the others in enough features to justify using them.
plush yew
@cloud cobalt cryengine has a metric fuckton of debug tools, and renderdoc, allowing you to dump literally your entire editor memory into a dedicated debug tool, comes with full sourcecode too, and documentation too.
wary wave
Unreal's strength is it's suite of tools and community - but if those tools are superseded, then it becomes harder to justify using it
grim sinew
Nobody has any loyalty to any one engine, and that's the way it should be. We use whatever tool does the job best for what we need to get done.
plush yew
i'm not trying to be some evangelist here, i'm just saying, the points you offer also exist elsewhere
plush yew
have you ever used it professionally?
wary wave
as for documentation, Lumberyard isn't that bad, particularly given that UE4's documentation is often as many as 10 engine releases out of date
devout gulch
CryEngine lacks, animation tools (good ones)
good visual scripting
good particle editor
cloud cobalt
I've evaluated it against UE4 and the lack of any anim tool, scripting tool, particle or material tool was just not possible
grim sinew
@wary wave Right, and that's why the new unity 2018 rendering stuff should terrify Epic. Making the rendering pipeline totally open is going to let the community do a lot of cool stuff with it in the coming year
devout gulch
good cinamematic editor (or just good timeline)
CryEngine offers anothing beyond good rendering and tools for rendering
wary wave
(at this point, I wouldn't talk about CryEngine, Lumberyard is quickly becoming quite distinct)
frank escarp
@grim sinew unity 2018 is going all in on dethroning unreal
plush yew
it'll never happen
frank escarp
they want to become the "framework" of choice for all medium and small studios
plush yew
unless they rebrand
grim sinew
And it's looking like they can. The stuff they're showing off is incredible
frank escarp
the ECS stuff for faaaaast game code, and the render pipelines are huge features
devout gulch
well will see what will happen both Epic and Unity hired some good engine architects 9;
frank escarp
ridiculously huge features
devout gulch
and easy to use Job system on game code
frank escarp
both of them are enough to push teams that would use unreal into unity
devout gulch
(along with ECS)
frank escarp
im with unreal becouse i want easy multiplatform VR and multiplayer
but ive been really close to switching
due to those 2 features
devout gulch
in Unity you can calculate object transforms on Jobs
devout gulch
so it's easy to simulathe thousands of moving objects
frank escarp
and traces
grim sinew
That new scriptable render pipeline looks great. After the nightmares I've gone through working with Unreal's shaders in engine source, I want to try it so badly.
frank escarp
and a compiler that tries to find if you are doing weird shit
and does vectorization (but i dont know how woulld that work)
cloud cobalt
Ultimately, Unity's strength is that it's their primary business. You can tell Epic sees UE4 as an internal tool they also release to people.
frank escarp
thats an strenght on both sides
UE4 is an AAA ready tool
by default
becouse its used to build Epics AAA tier games
Unity team doesnt use unity
to do games
thats why default unity is absollute garbage
wary wave
Having games in development can be healthy as it can steer engine development towards meeting practical requirements
grim sinew
Yeah but Epic doesn't act like it is, not anymore. Like that forum thread that's 2 years old begging Epic to fix dynamic shadow artifacting that's FINALLY getting a fix because someone in the community did it.
wary wave
I suspect not having games in development is one of the reasons why Unity's tool chain has all the features, but isn't really that practical for larger projects
grim sinew
It seems like UE4's public releases are a side effect, not a goal.
cloud cobalt
The almost exclusive focus of VR for two years in UE4 has hurt my confidence in the engine tbh. I could not care less about VR, and many, many existing features need work, and don't
frank escarp
Epic creates the engine for THEIR needs, and we get it from sharing
cloud cobalt
^
cloud cobalt
You can tell what Epic is developing based on UE4 releases
It's great that they do games internally
It's not so great that they shift engine priorities based on that
grim sinew
If it wasn't for the roadmap, I would at this point say they don't know what they want to do with Unreal anymore.
wary wave
shifting engine priorities is probably down to how small the team is
grim sinew
Every six months they shift direction so dramatically
wary wave
Unity has something like four times as many people
cloud cobalt
I'd love for Epic to hire many, many people for documentation
devout gulch
than roadmap
cloud cobalt
The UE doc is hilariously bad
devout gulch
nah I'd rather they hire more engineers to actually work on engine
grim sinew
Yeah, like how they made a new roadmap solely to destroy all the voting the community did
grim sinew
And they did hire some new guys, I remember some tweets about them getting a rendering engineer that was working on frostbite. But it is just single people here and there.
devout gulch
but there is no internal push to do anything beucase "it works and we don't need it"
they also got researcher from Avalanche
and other guy from DICE
and other rendering guy I know personally
frank escarp
right now the biggest issue unreal has is mulltithreaded game code (a bitch in consoles), and open world type features like terrain and lighting
devout gulch
the worst thing
is that it's not like people at Epic don't want to make those changes
they do
they just can't because they are limited by the Epic projects..
frank escarp
i wonder where all the high end rendering features will go now that Paragon is scrapped
grim sinew
It's easy to say "It looks good because it's megascans" but beyond the textures, the shader itself looks higher quality than what Unreal even has too. https://unity3d.com/profiles/unity3d/themes/unity/images/pages/botd/botd_04.jpg
devout gulch
@frank escarp I just hope that instead of adding high level rendering features
they finally start refactoring renerer
grim sinew
There's no doubt of course that this blows the kite demo out of the water in terms of fidelity
wary wave
it looks good, but I'm always wary of small scenes like this because the assets are more important than the engine
devout gulch
to render graph (like frostbite or SRP in unity)
wary wave
it's one thing to render a single scene in high fidelity, it's another to handle a scene with game-like requirements
it's like Koola's stuff in UE4
grim sinew
True, but I'm looking at things like how it handles subsurface, the specular on the objects, and the shadows that actually look like they're getting proper penumbra filtering. They're doing some good stuff with this.
wary wave
it looks amazing, but it's not a good yard stick for what the engine can do
cloud cobalt
Koola's stuff is real-time at least
wary wave
demos like that tend to work around limitations of the engine in ways that games can't
grim sinew
And what's important is scenes like this break the stereotypes of what Unity looks like and what Unity can do.
frank escarp
there is also one thing
devout gulch
yes, default unity looks like crap
frank escarp
have you compared ADAM making of videos, against Hellblade?
devout gulch
because there is nothing really included
frank escarp
ADAM was extremelly hard to make
grim sinew
Nope, because I didn't care enough about Adam
frank escarp
while Hellblade did all the mocap in realtime, with facial stuff
devout gulch
no post process, no high end shaders, literally nothing
frank escarp
Adam was mocapped separated from the engine
they just imported everything from maya/max through alembic and similar
and for facial animations, they did them in a separate rigs
grim sinew
https://youtu.be/ZqNHJ-ekMR4?t=92 that's not exactly a new feature though
This is from 2011
Live views of mocap in-engine stop being impressive when you look at what was being done 7 years ago
devout gulch
well yes becefore Crytek starting to investing into everything
they were on technology forefront (;
and btw, real time lighting still looks better here than in Unreal ;d
grim sinew
They still are in some cases. Without using any sort of temporal crap they have shadow penumbras on every light.
From 2011, that tech has not reached Unreal.
devout gulch
and good working global illumination
grim sinew
Yeah. It was what, 1.2ms on a GTX 280?
devout gulch
it's seems if you want to have something
you can do it
we talking about Voxels or LPV ?
grim sinew
LPV
devout gulch
I'm talking about Voxels from CEV
grim sinew
Yeah that's much later than 2011 ๐
devout gulch
it's not like it would be viable in 2011
grim sinew
I almost forgot, they even had a live link maya plugin to view animations in-engine as you make them.
Something we're finally getting in 4.19 I think?
devout gulch
yes
frank escarp
the maya live link thing was actually a feature for their "movie license"
wich was licensed separately
devout gulch
frank escarp
and i wonder if they ever did even one
grim sinew
top secret tesselated toad tech
devout gulch
probabaly not, world wasn't really ready for real time move ceation
frank escarp
kingdom come deliveerance is cryengine
devout gulch
(has Voxel GI on consoles)
frank escarp
and its clear they had plenty of issues, lots of engine type bugs
frank escarp
glitchy animations, LODs, or physics
grim sinew
This was done in the cinebox
Only thing I know of that was
The actual cinebox itself was leaked a year or two ago too, but by that point it was ancient so nobody cared
It didn't have anything special about it, it was just mostly a different UI and slightly tweaked tools, but all the core cryengine systems were the same.
Think that was why it never got a release, it didn't have a space in the market that the engine wasn't already filling
frank escarp
crytek allways had god tier tech, and bottom tier management
they had absolutely no clue
wrong decision into wrong decision into wrong decision
grim sinew
Yeah, they really did.
frank escarp
has crytek ever been "right" in a decision since 2007?
grim sinew
I -want- to use the CEV as an engine, but I don't ever want to deal with them as a company again.
devout gulch
releasing CryEngine V on github was right decision
grim sinew
Also damn, these skin shaders. I am still jealous.
grim sinew
Wasn't it released in 5.4?
grim sinew
@frank escarp Yes, but not their management. They pioneered a lot of tech that the entire industry relies on now.
devout gulch
so who knows if there will be even next release ;s
grim sinew
Their git is busy enough
devout gulch
maybe but person who invited their new particle system doesn't work at Crytek anymore
grim sinew
And the person that made SVOGI on the UE4 doesn't work there anymore. It happens. ๐ฆ
devout gulch
(that's probabaly because Epic scrapped the idea, I would left too in that case) ":D
but there is difference when people left propespering company vs the one that is on bring of collapse
grim sinew
What? Epic scrapping a type of realtime GI? Blasphemy.
honest vale
I don't understand why people foam on about realtime GI
there is no feasiable realtime GI system yet
not with current hardware
grim sinew
There are plenty of options, but no universal option.
devout gulch
it's most >general, solution
but no general solution fits every case
VXGI would be good
grim sinew
kindred viper
does nobody use Lumberyard yet?
honest vale
not feasible with current hardware
devout gulch
but revoxelises every frame which tanks performance
it feasiable with current hardware
SVOTI takes less than 2ms
idk what are you trying to prove
honest vale
doesn't it depend on scene complexity
devout gulch
no
honest vale
so what's the voxelization radius?
devout gulch
it simply voxelize scene once
honest vale
everything in view?
grim sinew
It doesn't matter if it's feasible. The end user doesn't need to even have it, it's a developer tool to let you visualize a light bake before it happens. ALSO, to make it lighter on the end user, you can precompute the voxels like I think the Cryengine can now do
devout gulch
and then caches it
it does not revoxllize scene every frame
I disagree end user doesn't need it
there is night and day difference you can make if you have proper dynamic lighting
with GI
grim sinew
Right, but I mean on a general scale. EVERY game could benefit from realtime GI, no matter how expensive, because it cuts lighting artist iteration time down from 8 hours to 8 miliseconds.
honest vale
true