created a material with emissive color and applied to object
#ue4-general
gleaming shore
loud phoenix
Your reference image has lighting in the scene, try adding some to yours and then add a post-process volume and play around with the bloom settings. It should look similar
gleaming shore
just adding bloom and upping the intensity has gotten me this so i think im on the right track, thank you https://i.gyazo.com/4c9f6e4e46646828fb54a7fb2a887a2e.png
loud phoenix
Sure, np. The emissive parameter may be a bit intense for that level of bloom, try lowering it to find a balance in the glow. Good luck!
gleaming shore
Will do! I set it really high to test if it would help, thanks again!
kindred viper
might wanna check out the spiral blur material node to add a bit of warmth to the bloom. It looks more like banding without it at high levels
@gleaming shore
gleaming shore
So far messing with post processing ive acheived this: https://i.gyazo.com/0a4ab3919a2c68370bd61bbc01a2e4b7.png
gleaming shore
Using the Timeline node is there a way to start it for exmaple on 1 second (like in level sequence)
plush yew
The New Time input @gleaming shore
azure shore
ANYway
mild copper
Do you know if the Devs from Wildcard hang out here? I am having some Ark Dev Kit issues that I think are related to the dev kit itself.
gentle ivy
Eh they might but the better place to ask about that stuff is through their devkit help support
umbral tartan
Im building a modified version of 4.17 right now for the first time.
Up until now I've only used pre-built engine versions and created new projects via the launcher, so I prefer working in editor/BP rather than VS.
Anyone know if it's possible to create a BP project that uses a modified engine? I couldn't find much of any info about this.
trim terrace
sure
just start the Editor of ur Modified Engine and u can create projects like with a normal engine
umbral tartan
@trim terrace Sweet. Thanks a lot for trying to help . Sorry, but do you know of a tutorial that walks one through the process? Like, Im not exactly sure where I would "start the Editor". Only way I know how to start the editor is by launcing a project from the launcher.
trim terrace
if u have compiled your source of the Engine, there is a Bin folder with 32/64 bit binarys. there u can start the Editor itself π
umbral tartan
Awesome thanks!
umbral tartan
I've been working with UE4 for 2.5 years. Never knew that was in there... Guess that makes me an old newb. Thanks a lot.
trim terrace
π No problem ^^
if u are using the Source Version from Epic, there should also be a file to register the sorce engine to ur system, so u can select the engine on ur Project (Switch unreal engine version) or something like that. then u can run the Project directly and it will launch the Editor of ur selectet engine
to do so, make a right click on ur Projects .uproject file
This is how it looks if u run the UE4Editor.exe
there u should know how to go π
umbral tartan
@trim terrace Thank you! I'm going to copy what you said here and add it to me UE4 notes memo. Thanks for the screenshot. (I've seen it a thousand times now, so that one's burned in my memory)... Really appreciate the help!
spark garden
the file you want is UnrealVersionSelector.exe located in Engine\Binaries\Win64
π
trim terrace
yeah. thats what run if u select "Switch UnrealEngine Version" of ur uproject file π
umbral tartan
@spark garden Got it! Thanks a lot guys, this'll definitely come in handy.
tame bluff
So if Euclidean isn't bullshitting, what is the tech they're using to render so much?
Voxels with some kind of realtime dynamic LOD system?
tame bluff
Hasn't anyone, like a journalist, been to their hologram thing and like, put their head to the ground or in a leaf to see if they were bullshitting?
Wouldn't that reveal if they were scammin or not
wary wave
of course not, they don't actually let people use their stuff
they just keep releasing dumb videos and marketing materials to sucker in investors
it's getting more and more sad, because they're still comparing their graphics with games from 2007
wary wave
and their 'floating point atoms' (aka voxels) are in mainstream use in a lot of game engines for more practical purposes
tame bluff
It just seems unbelievable with all the minds in computer science
that they are the only ones to have found this "Technique"
It sounds like voxels to me, but even then they don't really have a way to prove it in realtime over a youtube video since it's so easy to fabricate
wary wave
it's a sparse voxel octree algorithm and something like marching cubes, I think
so it does render in real time
but it's very limited
tame bluff
My understanding was animation especially was super limited
wary wave
they've never shown anything like animated characters, as an example
tame bluff
and would essentially be required for alembic purposes right?
silver crown
I thought it was raytracing?
tame bluff
They showed some animation in that demo
Elephants running at the folks in the VR room thingy
But again, it looks like potato graphics
wary wave
aha, skip to 10 minutes, looks like they're using VR for their 'holodeck'
and yeah, it's shite
it's a single object, without materials etc xD
tame bluff
Wow are you euclidean
wary wave
ah yeah, they do have animation now (11 minutes into the video)
only took them a decade to get there
tame bluff
They probably use model swapping
there's no way to efficienctly move that many points of data in realtime
there just isn't
so you need to either unload and reload on the dime
or it's fake (probably this one)
wary wave
not sure what game they're using to compare their animation, but it's some MMO or RPG that's at least 15 years old, if not 20
wary wave
gotcha
tame bluff
If it was made of "Atoms" why didn't they pause the anim, zoom in, and prove it?
floral heart
Atoms? Psh! With raytracing and analytical shapes we can have INFINITE PRECISION. (technique circa 1979)
Right up until you try to do a mandelbrot zoom and run out of bits.
silver crown
Indeed π https://youtu.be/q6flyIrvKCA
cloud cobalt
Atomontage has been sad for a long time
I think I've first saw and laughed at one of their trailers, maybe 6-7 years ago
wary wave
they have some reasonable tech, especially when compared with 'Infinite Detail'
but it's still a long way from useable in any practical game development sense
floral heart
Unless your ambition is to remake From Dust.
bitter iris
6 hours later... still going π
spark garden
@bitter iris jesus how big is that terrain ?
vale osprey
@cloud cobalt Atomontage is not suppose to be practical, the dev is exploring limits of such approach and what overall can be done in rendering and authoring of assets. There are plenty of good things came out of it, like the way how he creates landscape. Which have actual different materials and objects inside of it.
@tame bluff if you follow trace of founders of euclidean, you will find couple of papers on fast algorithm for rendering point cloud data
tame bluff
@bitter iris what's that?
vale osprey
it's not extremely innovative or a game changer. Have no idea if its even practical for point cloud visualization when compared to other solutions. So they are trying to find investors somewhere else
tame bluff
Ah cool stuff
cinder iron
we all know that PHYSX doesn't support quaternion sweeps, what would you guys propose for yawing while standing in place and not going through objects when moving a custom pawn that wouldn't fit on a capsule? I have my own work arounds, but going the "real way" through binary search wouldn't suit my necessities and would be expensive as hell.
wary wave
@vale osprey - it's just snake oil. They change the pitch every few years and try to extract some more money from someone else
I have no idea how they've managed to keep going so long, tbh
vale osprey
@cinder iron are you on something like a rocking boat in the sea?
wary wave
they've barely progressed in over a decade
cinder iron
just a long hover bike, doing experiments currently
bitter iris
@tame bluff its a 64km^2 map
wary wave
@cinder iron - what are the actual requirements, because chances are you can fudge what you need?
vale osprey
@cinder iron you could approximate with linear sweeps, or do an overlap test on a separate custom mesh
cinder iron
everything is solved aside the yawing in place, overlapping doesnt sweep when it comes from a full rotation movement, no problem when there is forward or sideways movement.
What I'm doing right now is not allowing the player to yaw while idling, but, let's say I don't want that
vale osprey
or if you are fine with a bit of low level code, check GetDepenetration() function in PhysX - its basically an overlap with collision data
cinder iron
thing is that hit doesnΒ‘t get registered without any z, x and y movement, not including rotations
vale osprey
yes
cinder iron
will GetDepenetration() even register a thing?
vale osprey
it doesn't "register", you give it two objects, it tells you direction and amount of force to apply to depenetrate them if they overlap
cinder iron
if they overlap
but they aren't in main terms, at least if I don't include the binary search for sweeps which is (at this point) kinda meh for me to do
vale osprey
if they don't they don't, you can use it incrementally to find range of yaw, or just use overlap test
I see, well I don't know how would you do it without binary search
vale osprey
make you bike a physics body?
line tracing is still will be binary search to approximate angular movement
you could just "ragdoll" it when bike is not moving
cinder iron
yeah but even though it is supposed to detect when player can yaw or not if bike is close to an object
mh, ragdoll seems interesting, but currently because of design choices the bike does not update any phys when its not moving
performance decissions
and network.
vale osprey
maybe sim it with physx intermediate - aka put bike into intermediate scene, with some objects that are around and apply torque in one direction and then another to test for collision
it all sounds convoluted π
cinder iron
hahaha, no joke I though about the torque solution to force a positive situation xD
It all came to my mind because I saw hovered vehicles in the new battlefront not having these problems, and that lead me to wonder if they are going full low-level or, maybe they don't use PHYSX at all which could be an option
vale osprey
I don't think DICE ever used physics middleware for their vehicles, only as query/collision system
but that doesn't mean much, like with tanks, I don't use PhysX for anything but raytraces /collision with rigid body simulation
cinder iron
yeah no I do the same, I don't actually handle hovering with forces and physics, I just fake it
thing is that I do use physx for collisions
vale osprey
for queries I suppose, as if you don't simulate
I don't know why there is no angular sweep, but it's like that in PhysX itself, figure π
cinder iron
yes, actual collision queries, I don't simulate
vale osprey
could just google what people who use PhysX do in this case
cinder iron
I did before coming here but didn't find quiet reliable answers π€
basically only "make things fit on a capsule"
vale osprey
yeah I don't see much either
cinder iron
PHYSX supports speculative angular CCD but apparently is not exposed to the engine on a friendly way, I might investigate a bit more, if not I'll go ahead with my silly trace solution hehehe
vale osprey
CCD works only for simulating objects as far as I know
cinder iron
maybe CCDSweep will act correctly enabling it, if i don't test I can't know
well thanks for your input though! nice talk
slate lance
Hello
vale osprey
@cinder iron CCD Sweep? I think that is something low level that PhysX does, not sure if that is even an actual function
cinder iron
I phrased myself a bit akward there, It's not a function no @vale osprey
There, I edited it
vale osprey
ahhh, I don't have high hopes for it working as it's based on velocity. Good for projectiles in theory, catching something that collides as result of angular movement - don't know. But that should be solved automagically if you simulate. Regardless of ccd
rotund needle
ππΌ
fierce tulip
keen birch
Isn't that an incredibly old piece of software that still uses .dds textures?
frank escarp
@keen birch unreal engine uses dds textures
dds textures is a texture format meant for direct gpu usage
keen birch
Well yeah except iirc this only uses dds
frank escarp
to "load" a dds, you literally memcopy it to GPU
pngs need to be uncompressed, then compressed, and then uploaded to gpu (or upload uncompressed)
muted minnow
@fierce tulip Thanks for the link, looks like a useful tool.
noble solstice
Is it better to start with blueprints? Or just jump right into coding?
frank escarp
blueprints
noble solstice
Why's that?
keen birch
Because it's basically programming without syntax
There's two parts to learning programming
(Imo)
Syntax and logic
Blueprint lets you do logic without needing to worry about syntax
Which can be really great
I started with C#, 90% of my initial errors were "Whoops, forgot a semicolon somewhere"
Except I didn't know how to read errors properly so I never knew what was going wrong
Still, I'd say the answer is "it depends" ;3
noble solstice
hmmm guess it makes sense. In my case I'm only just starting to relearn C++ (started it like 4 years ago then stopped cuz..life) so i figure i might as well do blueprints while i also learn C++ that way i at least understadn how to use UE by the time i got it down
wanted to make sure blueprints werent a waste of time π
LOL the answer is always "it depends"
keen birch
They're not
surreal viper
they are not a waste of time
surreal viper
but their sane usage is limited imo
however you need to know them to know where to use what
keen birch
E.g. what I'm doing now (procedural foliage spawning) isn't a very good idea to do in BP
But still
If you fight the engine a bit it's do-able
noble solstice
i assume actual coding would be "better" tho
frank escarp
turns out blueprint functions in unreal map directly to C++ functions
keen birch
Yeah, they do
frank escarp
wich means that blueprint and C++ is the same thing, but on a different syntax
thats why you allways start with blueprints
keen birch
Well, with exceptions
frank escarp
its easier to learn and prototype with them
frank escarp
later down the lane you try to add your own functions coded in C++
keen birch
Basically, Blueprint is C#
surreal viper
BP is way harder to maintain and fix tho
frank escarp
i can tell you first hand, blueprints are a pain to mantain
keen birch
In what sense?
frank escarp
C++ can be copypasted around, and you get the IDE, all that stuff
keen birch
You can copypaste BP
frank escarp
you cant copypaste a function
noble solstice
so i SHOULD go through any and all blueprint related tutorials from epic?
frank escarp
you cant copypaste a function from one class to other
keen birch
Well, you can create a new function and copy-paste the contents ;3
frank escarp
you need to remake the function, paste the contents, and rewire all variables (becouse they are missing)
keen birch
I've personally never really had issues
keen birch
Ah right
frank escarp
also, blueprint can fail silently
keen birch
Yeah, true enough
frank escarp
in C++ if it compiles its fine
if something changes in the engine it will fail to compile
(when you upgrade versions)
blueprint can unplug things and the like
wich is a huuuuuuuuuge pain
a pure C++ project is super easy to upgrade to newer version
keen birch
@noble solstice I'd say no, I'm guessing you know how variables and stuff work, so look at one or two things to see how it works and then just google if you don't get stuff
frank escarp
just fix some compiling errors and done
but blueprint can break
and break silently
noble solstice
@keen birch yeah variables, loops, genereal logic stuff i pretty much have down. Mostly need a refresher on how C++ specifically handles that. I also need to learn the UI tho and how blue pritns operate so i think ill at least go through a couple of the tutorials. even if its just the third person one and the loopty loop car one
frank escarp
go with blueprints
to learn ue4 itself
even serious C++ programmers shouldnt jump into UE4 C++ directly
keen birch
^ It's pretty different from the actual thing
frank escarp
becouse now you need to learn the way UE4 architects stuff + the API + the C++ weird shit it adds
blueprints is just"the way ue4 architects stuff + API", and lots more docs about it
you deal with weird shit in C++ later down the line
surreal viper
I second that
also a typical experienced c++ programmer mistake is not to check BP at all, which is a bit stupid imo
muted minnow
I come from a C/C++ background, and at the very least, I find prototyping features in blueprint much quicker than in C++. After things start to come together, I'll refactor to C++ class and expose variables / events / methods.
This general workflow feels like the 'right' way to do it in UE4.
(At least for me :p)
surreal viper
for me it depends on the stuff I want to prototype
if it requires e.g. a state machine
then I won't try to do that in BP like ever again, tried it a few times, that never worked out
what I like is having dynamic universal stuff in C++ and build on that in BP - all i do in bp is basically to setup different default values and call some functions
cloud cobalt
Overall, my biggest problem with BP is that they're not version friendly. I want an engine-independent text format that I can diff and merge with my regular tools and check years later with a log history.
IMHO it's the strongest argument against Blueprints
Obviously, there is a lot of stuff that works well with Blueprints too
wary wave
Blueprint should be able to be output into a text editable format for diffing
cloud cobalt
That's not nearly enough imho
What I'm considering for my next game is a data asset with an automatic synchronization to text, for example for quests
surreal viper
I use something like that for AI and dialogues π
I am not sure how it works yet tbh, system is ready but wasn't used much (yet)
frank escarp
im going to spam JSON
for everything
blueprints will hold the "master" copy of a class
and json edits the stats and stuff
surreal viper
makes sense
frank escarp
i really dont want what i have in DWVR
cloud cobalt
I'm definitely going to do something like JSON sources for quests + reimport tool
frank escarp
DWVR has a "Characters" Folder
with 10 blueprints or so
Base Drone, Fast Drone, Rocket Drone, Heavy Drone, Weak Drone, Sword Skeleton, Heavy Sword skeleton, Pistol Skeleton, Rifle Cyborg weak Rifle cyborg strong...
etc
actually more than 10
on my next project i would have a Drone blueprint, wich holds everything
and just json to change the stats for the fast, rocket, heavy, weak, etc ones
cloud cobalt
We went with data assets for that (Blueprint just do the 3D stuff)
We should definitely have used a json source + importer for these
frank escarp
data assets are still binary and a fucking pain
surreal viper
isn't it a pain to setup stuffs like meshes?
you have to reference them via the path, right?
frank escarp
those are setup in the blueprint
surreal viper
aren't the different drones have different meshes?
weak thunder
is there anyway of accessing unpacked files? I wanted to see how another game made bones for their character bodies.
frank escarp
even if they did, then i would have a few meshes to set visible/invisible, or just to swap
setup in the blueprint
frank escarp
enum
gentle ivy
morning all
surreal viper
I don't trust in blueprint enums and I don't want to recompile, I think I would go with FName π
on the other hand I would have to type that, hmm
gentle ivy
enums are a pain but trustworthy
surreal viper
life sucks
gentle ivy
strings are far more untrustworthy (typos)
frank escarp
exactly
gentle ivy
enums are a dropdown box
frank escarp
but it would get caught in my tester
surreal viper
but you can catch wrong ones for enum
gentle ivy
sure but you type it once.
surreal viper
so yep I see your point, it's a good one
frank escarp
i never like to use FName for such things
the marging of error of typos is way too big
gentle ivy
you should never replicate strings/names as well
frank escarp
and my game would have coop
im going to try to script NPC AI for the player
it could be interesting to have AI teammates that can be played by a real human in some cases
gentle ivy
I say never like you can always get around it. Strings are fine for like playername but don't use fname for like bonename replication
ah yeah thats pretty cool
reminds me of csgo where you can control the bots
frank escarp
i can then do stuff like allow the player to select wich NPCs go with him and recruit them
like in shadowrun
of course gotta test how hard would that be
at least it "unifies" coop vs solo missions
now all of them are coop
surreal viper
depends on the game I guess but I think it is a rather hard task in general
to make a not so annoying coop ai mate
frank escarp
not the first time i do player squad bots
of course ill experiment
but they would mostly just kind of follow the player and attack everything on sight
i dont think you will be able to give them orders
its a vr game its not like i have a fuckton of buttons or weird commands
surreal viper
what i really hate tho is that I can't use a single anim bp for more skeletons
best I could do is to create a template one
and I have to duplicate it for each skeleton
annoying as hell
gentle ivy
just use one?
surreal viper
because of course I can do a skeleton independent anim BP, i just store the anims in variables and get those from owner
I can't use the same skeleton
I have stupid monsters with very different skeleton setups
and the anim BP has to have its own skeleton
actually I just assumed that I can't play anim(skeleton B) in an anim bp (skeleton A), but i'll check it quickly π€
no, I can't
this is a nightmare
maybe the best way would be to automate the anim BP retargeting and duplication or idk
frank escarp
you can do anim tree in C++ for the "general" logic
and subclass it for different skeletons
surreal viper
but I don't want to subclass it
frank escarp
just you will have to remake the anim tree part...
surreal viper
that's the whole point, I managed to do a general logic, which works with the majority of my little monsters
but for some strange reason anim BP is skeleton bound
so if I change my general logic I have to "duplicate and retarget" my template anim bp to each monster
I don't have that many atm but it is already annoying
I guess if I could move up the general logic to C++ I would not have to do that, hmm
if I modify it, that is
obtuse sable
yo im rendering a cinematic in Unreal and only like the first few frames actually show the scene
rest of it is just black
Ive done it before and now for some reason this is happening
weak thunder
How do you guys share 20+ gigs worth of data with fellow team members if you are not physically sharing the space?
frank escarp
perforce
weak thunder
I cant seem to figure out what their plans are. Just descriptions, TRY FOR FREE and other marketing stuff.
keen birch
Ikr?
Apparently Microsoft offers this thing with unlimited data through GIt
Haven't looked at it too much yet, but it's interesting at least
keen birch
Well yeah
Github does
Git is just the implementation
The limits depends on whoever's hosting it
And in this case, microsoft is apparently hosting it with some interesting stuff
weak thunder
Do you have a link?
keen birch
I'll see in a sec
weak thunder
thanks
weak thunder
Thanks. I will forward it to my people and see what they think.
keen birch
Free for 5 or less peeps
weak thunder
I wonder if people could account share π
I working with a bunch of hobbyists like myself so people come and go.
half mango
guys
anyoine know a way to turn multiple actors at once to "use complex collision as simple"
cus there so many of them
keen parcel
what's it called when you map an existing folder location to another physical drive on windows? can't remember how i did or what it's called!
keen birch
That'd be a junction @keen parcel
(There's more names for it though)
(I know it as a junction)
keen parcel
yes!!! symbolic link
cheers bud, so many similar things come up when i searched
just discovered the DDC has 36gb of my system drive
keen birch
You know what's awesome?
keen parcel
YOU?!?!
keen birch
Mapping to a NAS or something like that
Huh
Not what I was going for
But I'll take it
:3
keen parcel
building a new pc atm with m.2 ssd
havent checked but i'm guessing that a NAT would be a very slow way of managing compared to a local m.2
half mango
i got 1tb m.2 i think it was a waste
keen birch
You could dump a bunch of m.2's in a NAS
half mango
insanely fast but doesnt help UE much
keen birch
Well no, but you could've seen that coming
half mango
another SSD would be good enough
keen parcel
Typical data transfer speeds range from 3MB/s to 20MB/s for consumer level NAS devices
keen parcel
@half mango rly?
keen birch
Why'd UE4 benefit that much from an m.2?
half mango
i think so.. but idk
keen parcel
but what about loading large projects? marketplace assets etc?
half mango
its almost too fast
everything is instant
there's another PC here with an old SSD
seems barely quicker
i bought too much RAM too l0l
64gb 3500mhz
definitely didnt need the speed
of the ram
half mango
again doesn't help UE
half mango
even in production bakes that take 40+ hours
the ram only uses 30% max
but threadripper.. always 100%
keen birch
You didn't order yet? @keen parcel
half mango
i wish i got 2x threadripper somehow
keen parcel
not yet.. but spec'd it up with a 1080
keen parcel
gcard price has gone up cos of crypto mining
keen birch
Oof, if only I had 1k lying around for hardware...
keen parcel
Β£1,800 predicted spend + Β£1k on new super-ultrawide 49" samsung
keen parcel
trust me though.. that's not extravegant when you spend 18+ hours a day glued to a screen
half mango
why the monitor?
honest rune
those m.2 would be much better spent using for intel optane...
keen parcel
so i'd prefer bigger screen without the bezzles but curved
latent terrace
hey guys, when i write NativeParentClass:"InventorySystem.Item" in the content browser, it includes InventorySystem.ItemActor too
any way to make it only find the InventorySystem.Item ?
honest rune
much rather have a solid cpu cache then a ssd that's speed is negligible
keen parcel
honest rune
you see that announcment about samsung's 150" tv?
keen parcel
@honest rune good points btw
honest rune
see that being like 10 grand
silver crown
The CHG90 is available to preorder for $1,499 on Amazon, with a slated release on June 30.
keen parcel
too long to wait
and i think 49" looks about right.. any bigger and you are constantly turning your head
i dunno.. you can't really tell until you are working at it
silver crown
That's the 49"
keen parcel
i got it in my cart for $1299.99
thought you were linking to a newer model
49
SUGGESTED RETAIL:$1,499.99
YOUR PRICE:$1,299.99
YOU SAVE: $200
keen parcel
hehe
it's almost 100% processing power
@half mango ^^ really?
i can see that having more cores would be very useful
half mango
the building yeah
well i bought high end everything
and it uses 100% cores
and still takes 40 hours build
with a 1950 threadripper
silver crown
lighting?
silver crown
π
half mango
i want 80+ cores
keen parcel
u doing game or archviz?
pallid compass
So after looking at some socket locations of ue4 weapons, i was wondering how the hell they line that up with animation its so sort of, random?
honest rune
ah man, I made 2 seriously awesome and helpful APIs over the weekend.
A nice File System wrapper and a really sweet SQLite API π
keen parcel
did you make me a sandwich?
honest rune
Should be able to wrap both we a easy to use blueprint api but I don't really do any more than necessary in BP so not sure if I'm gonna
If the sandwich is made of 1's and 0's then yes, I did
101 - sandwich (sideways)
keen birch
Seems like it dunnit
silver crown
Thanks for the link!
silver crown
?
keen birch
Seems a bit too awesome to be the case
silver crown
Probably bandwidth limitations
keen birch
But really, it is the impression I'm getting
honest rune
well, they do own their own gigantic cloud so, I would assume their servers should be fine
TS is cloud is MS-hosted yeah?
if*
silver crown
Yep
keen birch
Well yeah
I just don't really expect them to give away their gigantic cloud for free
Pushing your source? @silver crown
honest rune
thatd be such a dick move though lol let someone have 50gb storage but give them like 5gb bandwidth lol
keen birch
xD
silver crown
That's what github does
honest rune
even with paid?
silver crown
honest rune
damn
silver crown
The worse part is that once you pushed files on a repo with lfs
You can't remove them
honest rune
I guess its the initial push that kills eh
keen birch
Seriously?
silver crown
Yeah
keen birch
Contact support there?
silver crown
The issue is that the solution is to remove the repo
honest rune
and they rub it in iwth a "Purchase More" button right there too
Hey, is there a point where I can hook into the application start and end events (or the equivelants) without touching the message pump?
only thing I can think of without using the message pump is relying on a starter map to fire off some stuff at start before loading other maps. Still doesnt help for application exit though
keen birch
Here goes
My only gripe with using VS integrated stuff for this so far is that I don't really get the amount of information I'd want
silver crown
command line for life π
keen birch
Because I'm a newbie with SC
silver crown
The worse in VS is when it's stuck
keen birch
VS's handholding is nice for now
Its lack of information because of it is annoying
I'd like to see an upload speed and that sort of thing
silver crown
You could just git push in commandline for that
keen birch
Progress in terms of size instead of only amount of files
keen birch
See I wouldn't know the difference. SC is scary.
keen birch
Lol
silver crown
Actually that's kinda stupid
keen birch
?
silver crown
50GB is going to take some time to upload
silver crown
Half an hour I think
silver crown
π
honest rune
gigabit connection?
silver crown
Yeah
honest rune
nice.
silver crown
1Gb/s / 200Mb/s
honest rune
200 up? wow. I've got 1gb down but only 30 mb up
silver crown
woops
keen birch
Cmon guys get your capitalization right
honest rune
lol
keen birch
1MB = 8 Mb
silver crown
Yeah
keen birch
The caps lacking makes it really weird
silver crown
He really have 3Mb π
keen parcel
ye.. i do π¦
vale osprey
"slow WiFi" is now a synonym for low bandwidth ? π
keen parcel
well spotted
it's hard to get educated when there is no internet
#firstWorldProblems
silver crown
On Windows, Git does not handle files in the working tree larger than 4 gigabytes.
ffs
keen birch
Duplicate a 1GB file 50 times?
keen birch
Can't say I particularly mind that as a cap
That's quite a bit above your average person's upload
keen parcel
...
silver crown
git lfs
frank escarp
its still garbage
silver crown
Ah?
plush yew
hi, what should I do after NPC dies? For some reason, he gets convulsions.
plush yew
any idea what sould I do?
silver crown
@frank escarp Yeah right
frank escarp
also, git lfs scales HORRIBLY with number of files
if you take a small sized ue4 project
and try to LFS it all
LFS itself will choke to death
it would kill any git program you try to use
frank escarp
not really, only the content and source and config folders
but yes
you ned to do LFS add btw
andd it will choke to death
silver crown
It's not an UE project
silver crown
I'm not even commiting or pushing here
frank escarp
that code files or binary @keen birch ?
code works fine
binary LFS chokes to death
silver crown
nvm I'm disk bound
keen birch
No, I mean my own UE4 project
frank escarp
including Content folder?
frank escarp
is this the first time you push it, or you been working with it for a while?
keen birch
First time
frank escarp
check your .git folder
after a week
and the responsiveness of the repo
my DWVR repo was able to choke literally every git client
keen birch
It keeps everything in there? :p
keen birch
Can't you just clear the git folder?
keen birch
Like "I'm confident everything works in this version" -> Delete all old stuff
frank escarp
i tried to use LFS for the content folder btw
keen birch
And uh
silver crown
@keen birch I don't think
silver crown
That would remove your history
frank escarp
@keen birch non lfs means every time someone clones your project, it clones every version of every file ever
surreal viper
pretty well
frank escarp
WITHOUT COMPRESSION
10 gb will go to shit in a couple weeks
even on a 2.5 gb project
frank escarp
how?
silver crown
btw VSTS is pretty awesome
frank escarp
my git LFS (properly setup i think, on Content folder, Source and Config were in text normal git)
to start with, i was unable to push my whole content folder at once
LFS, around 6 gb
lots and lots and lots of assets (marketplace)
so i had to split it per folder, in around 6 separate commits
surreal viper
team size: 4
3 of us actually uses the repo, there is a code only person and 2 of us modifies levels and stuff
we managed for more than a year - no marketplace assets here tho, not even starter content
frank escarp
self hosted on a LAN server
surreal viper
2.65 gb
content folder is just 2,49
Idk how is that even possible tho
actually I know
we switched repo a couple of times π
when we were in bitbucket
there was a 2gb limit
we created a new repo when we reached the limit π
it's like the 6th repo
history isn't that long
but we are on gitlab for at least 5 month now, idk why is it so small π€
silver crown
Few changes in the big assets?
surreal viper
maybe, the only big assets which are changed regulary are the levels
and they are not that big
yeah, biggest is 10 MB, that explains it π
anyway if we reach 10 gb we can just create a new repo for free 
silver crown
@surreal viper You should try VSTS
Seems really awesome
Unlimited storage
Amazing bandwidth
@frank escarp You're right, lfs is trash
surreal viper
will take a look, thx for recommendation
frank escarp
told you
silver crown
π
silver crown
But it's expensive?
frank escarp
free for teams up to 5 epople
silver crown
Nice
frank escarp
btw, i think "git lfs prune" command cleans up the .git a bit
but you now need to do it after every single commit
and, btw
surreal viper
are there other limitations for perforce? or just the 5 person?
frank escarp
you cant prune the server
no
just the 5 people thing
@silver crown means your server is now 25 gb
silver crown
Yeah prune removes 5 GB on local
I know that π
Have to pay 5$ per month github for lfs because I tried it once on the wrong repo
repo that I don't want to delete
frank escarp
man for not much more than that you can get a server
and put perforce on it
with 40 gb storage
or more
silver crown
frank escarp
git clones are by default a total copypaste of the server
frank escarp
thats very cool
silver crown
Well yes and no
No because I can't delete it
Else I loose all the stars
I'm not using the repo anymore
latent terrace
what's the min and max z-order?
frank escarp
@silver crown just looked at your MP video of the voxel thing
man thats amazing
it makes me think of a PvP capture the flag style game where both teams try to wall off their flag
silver crown
Thanks π
This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF0IGAe6LJw&t=4s&list=PLjYKpKPK8E-_lxP5EuRxizhNuNBDYnT15&index=26
silver crown
π
Also have some nice features
Like custom graph editor
and my own C++ nativization
latent terrace
any UI/widgets experts here? I'd have a few questions π
latent terrace
already asked but nobody cares π€·
kindred viper
maybe output the zdepth of the widgets to the log and see what is going where and when
keen birch
Wait perforce has free hosting for <5 peeps?
They really need to fix their damn website
keen birch
Because I've looked at it and tried to set up a local server
Because I didn't know it was free for small teams π
latent terrace
I don't even know how to get the z-order of widget and the internet doesn't help
plush yew
Oh
keen birch
Yeah their website really is set up by a retard imo
grim ore
@latent terrace if there is a valid way to set the z order it would be on the widget assuming your parent lets you set it
so the question would be how is your UMG widget set up for the hierarchy
grim ore
correct as its parent is a canvas panel which respects z order
latent terrace
when I added the widget somewhere and I can set the z-order there, I hope it's setting it for the blur too
grim ore
what is your root, the PAUSE ?
latent terrace
yup
grim ore
no, what is it
latent terrace
a widget
grim ore
it's another widget you created?
latent terrace
I've created a widget named pause and sent you the tree
grim ore
gotcha so its going to be a default root which has no z order options
latent terrace
any way to make it have z-order options? xD
grim ore
well it's the root so wherever you place this would control it's Z order
are you adding this to the viewport and its not going on top like you want it?
latent terrace
it's going nuts
i'ts randomly showing on top of shit that's supposed to have like 10k z-index
it's so weird
latent terrace
unless I specify the z-index in addToViewport?
grim ore
if your adding a widget, its at 0. The items inside of it have their own z order based on that 0
latent terrace
so how should I set up my z-orders?
inside the separate widgets or on the main widget that's the whole UI?
latent terrace
yeah
basically I'm trying to create a pause effect that'd blur everything
and it's missing some of my widgets no matter how high my z-order is
grim ore
are you just adding in widgets separately at different points to the viewport?
light thunder
Saving to a file from unreal - what is the error log - result was zero, mean?
grim ore
@latent terrace basically if you have a main UI, lets call it the UI, and it's got different parts to is there any reason the pause menu is not part of it that you toggle on or off? Alternately if you have a main UI that is lets say just a canvas panel that you add all your other widgets to at design/run time you can then be sure that your pause menu is higher than the other children of that main UI due to all parts of the UI being children of it.
but in general if you use the add to viewport and set the z order it "should" respect that if you put the pause widget at a higher number than the rest
grim ore
well at some point you use the add to viewport to add your UMG?
latent terrace
the UI you mean?
grim ore
I guess, I don't really know how your setup is setup. You have some UMG widgets you add to your viewport, say your stats and such. You want the pause to go over that which is a separate UMG Widget so your using Add to Viewport to add that one when you pause?
this sounds like how your setup is setup?
grim ore
which is another UMG widget?
grim ore
what is the parent of your PAUSE widget then inside your main UI?
grim ore
and the Pause_UI widget has a higher Zorder set there than any other widget?
and all other items are children of that Canvas Panel?
grim ore
it definitely looks right =/
when you have it unhidden in the hierarchy there does it blur like it's supposed to in the preview?
latent terrace
no
grim ore
weird because it should. All of those items are children of the parent canvas panel so they should all respect eachother π¦
all I could think of is to start debugging each widget that is showing up above it in that preview window and see what might be causing it
latent terrace
well one of the items that doesn't work is being added by AddToViewport
it gets blurred when I set the z-order to negative or 0, but even 1 makes it stay visible
and the pause has z-index 99999
grim ore
this widget has it own z order when you add it to the viewport. Any settings inside of it for z order are for inside that widget only
adding 2 widgets, one with 1 and one with 0 will put every part of the widget with 1 above the other.
when you use add to viewport
latent terrace
so any way to blur a widget that is being added by addtoViewport?
grim ore
wherever you have this "blur" at would have to be higher when added to the viewport than any other widget you want blurred basically
this is one of the reasons having a main widget you just add sub widgets to at design or runtime can be helpful as you keep it all together
any reason you can't add the main UI itself at like 100 and let all the others you add to viewport be at 0?
plush yew
Everyone I have an official announcement.
Mac is for pretentious assholes who think they are superior when really they are paying for shitty overpriced 1.5 - 2 grand hardware that equals to a 500 dollar Windows PC.
Apple products are locked down like alcatraz and you can't do shit with them, no one develops for them and that is the only reason they rarely get viruses.
Windows master race.
grim ore
I develop for mac on my windows machine. Never had a problem on our deploy iMac tho.
plush yew
You can emulate a mac on a windows but you cannot emulate windows on a mac, is all I need to say basically.
grim ore
I can emulate windows no problem on a mac
parallels and bootcamp both work fine
I can even get bored and use Wine
plush yew
But why?
Why would you ever want to do that, why do you have an apple product in the first place.
grim ore
sometimes I want to run Everquest when on the mac
latent terrace
so viewport has its own separate z-index?
like if I use addToViewport, I manually specify a z-index for the stuff?
if I change the z-order on the addToViewport with UI to 100
how will my z-indexes change?
grim ore
it will put that widget at 100 which should be above everything else
latent terrace
yeah but how will the children behave?
grim ore
think of the add to viewport as adding a piece of paper to the desk. the paper has your writing on it which is your ui
changing the index on your paper does not change what is on it
latent terrace
will they all get +100 to their z-indexes?
grim ore
they will not have any of their indexes changed
the renderer draws the widget added to the viewport with the lowest order first
it goes thru that widget and draws everything in it like it asks to be done
then it does the same for the rest in index order
just because a widget has children that have a billion indexes does not change the order the actual widget is drawn to the screen compared to any other widgets you add to the viewport
basically the z order/index INSIDE a widget is for that widget only to determine how that widget is put together. Once it is all done it is basically flat and drawn in the order you tell it to add to the viewport.
latent terrace
so if I don't expand that hidden part of the AddToViewport, the z-index is 0?
thanks, it made stuff a little bit more clear, I'll try a different approach π
grim ore
yep default is 0
I guess a question would be why are you adding something else to the viewport other than your main ui?
maybe it should be a part of the UI somehow
latent terrace
yeah I'll try to put it in the main UI
as an excuse I'll say that it's not my project : P
grim ore
heh
floral pagoda
WOOO!
I think we are going to see some really cool stuff at GDC this year
Just saying
frank escarp
cloud gaming is impossible to do
physics laws are against it
(for full gaming, AI/physics sims are ok)
floral pagoda
@frank escarp That is what Cloudgine is AI/Physics, etc.
I am curious to see what it offers with the networking side of things
latent terrace
are they going to turn into UnrealCloudgine? xD
frank escarp
honestly, i would be interested on a cloud hosting service
ive seen GameLift, but a cheaper alternative would be neat
opal hornet
hey guys quick question, not sure which channel to ask in. How do I make the struct UI be side by side like this? https://imgur.com/a/RAPXv
keen birch
Just a casual word of warning
Your blueprint structs will inevitably break
And when they do there's very little you can do about it besides manually rewiring everything that uses them
livid haven
Eh, not exactly true, but they're kind of fragile and it takes really getting them to know how to a) not break it and b) unfuck them.
worn granite
That caveat there is enough to hold up the previous statement IMO.
Though I don't really know how to unfuck them, other than not saving anything else and rolling back. So if there's some secret to it, that'd be cool knowledge to literally never use.
livid haven
Following my usual policies, I've never had reason to ever, ever create a UDS, so... yeah.
worn granite
uds?
livid haven
Er, sorry, that's the native class name for those. User Defined Struct.
I don't know what else to call them. "BP Structs"?
They're not BPs. They don't really share anything in common with BPs. They're both editor designable data structures though.
worn granite
Ah. Yeah always hear them called "BP Structs". Reason being that its closer to that context (BP), I think.
And C++ projects will just define their structs normally.
livid haven
Yeah. It makes sense on the surface that they're called that way casually. I never use them, rarely ever see them, and know them more from the engine side than from the editor side, so it don't jive with my perspective as well, but I get it.
worn granite
They've gotten better over time, for sure. but I can't see myself using them.
Just too uh. "fragile"
opal hornet
@keen birch it's a coincidence you say that, because i am recreating my master struct since it broke due to an engine bug
and broke most of the project with it
worn granite
master struct
So you know how doing that came back to bite ya?
Why don't you do the exact same thing again
keen birch
Yeah I've sort of gotten the hang of un-fucking my structs at this point
You break them by changing anything about them while they're in use in Blueprints
So that's not really something you can avoid
Oh migration also breaks them half the time
worn granite
Hey Sion. Do UDS which contain other UDS which then go onto have yet another UDS give you nightmares?
keen birch
Hey that's what I do
worn granite
Hey that's what you shouldn't do lmao
opal hornet
mine broke because i saved new default values while they were in use
keen birch
Like I said, breaking them's kind of unavoidable
But I've largely learned how to un-fuck them
Save, restart, move stuff around in them so they recompile, recompile blueprints using them
worn granite
what if I told you I know a way to never break a BP struct
worn granite
even if I actually do?
worn granite
nah, nah. you can use your flimsy little toy
opal hornet
how do you get around using the bp structs if theyre so fragile and seemingly necessary? (im not familiar with cpp)
worn granite
but I know how to not break them
keen birch
You use Cpp structs
floral heart
Always create a new struct and move every blueprint over to using that one any time you change it. π
worn granite
Well since you seem keen on abandoning them... go for it.
keen birch
Afaik that breaks foreachloops @floral heart - Foreachloops lock to the struct you initially connected, so if you change the struct type in the blueprint it'll say it's a different thing and break
worn granite
that's not what I was gonna say.
keen birch
@worn granite Tell me all about your way, master β€
worn granite
'tis a simple two step process.
1. Plan out your game thoroughly. You want as much detail as possible.
2. Implement everything in a data driven fashion. Do not nest structs, rather give them an FName with which you can lookup DT rows. Use them to init props.```ayy now it can't break cause you won't be changing the actual structs, and the use is minimized.
But uh.
Does using C++ structs work ?
keen birch
Afaik it does
opal hornet
wait so i should stay away from nesting structs?
opal hornet
because my S_ItemInfo contained S_WeaponInfo which may have borked it
keen birch
Think of a block-built tower
You've built it too high so it's unsteady
So instead, you just place another tower on top of it
And maybe another one
With each tower you're exponentially increasing the odds of it completely falling apart and dying on you
π
Think that's a pretty good analogy on why not to nest BP structs
worn granite
if you have smaller structs which you can slap into a datatable
worn granite
you can use FNames instead of nesting them
worn granite
Imma have to lean towards @livid haven's word here.
And I already explained why lol
worn granite
lmao no
livid haven
Sorry, was out of the loop for a minute.
In that context, User refered to editor-user.
Admittedly, sometimes user means "the engineer using this API".
keen birch
I'd say that's just as arbitrary as BP struct
Except people will understand what you're saying when you say BP struct
worn granite
It really doesn't make sense to call C++ structs user defined in this context.