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foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 8:02 AM

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cool

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I think that sounds better

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preferable

cursive dirge Sep 28, 2016, 8:02 AM

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Also, filtering out points seen only by 2 cameras is super handy

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As it gets rid of areas that would "float" on top of the surfaces otherwise

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Sometimes those 2 cam only points go to completely wrong directions even

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 8:21 AM

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makes sense

cursive dirge Sep 28, 2016, 8:35 AM

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one thing I wish it had though, would be option to recalculate all points based on found camera alignment

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I guess you could work around that by letting it calculate unlimited points in the initial run

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but that's pretty time consuming

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basically when you filter out sparse cloud data to get the camera alignment, you always just remove bad data, there will not be any extra points after you readjust for that purpose

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 11:46 AM

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DEAR UNREAL EDITOR

IF YOU FAIL TO MOVE A MAP FOR ANY REASON PLEASE JUST ROLL BACK. DON'T CONTINUE AND MOVE JUST PARTS OF IT THAT THEN CAN'T BE SAVED DUE TO INTERNAL DATA STRUCTURE ERRORS. THE OPERATION WAS TO MOVE A MAP, NOT FUCK EVERYTHING OVER YOLO STYLES.

LOVE
EVERYONE

urban salmon Sep 28, 2016, 11:46 AM

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^

alpine sorrel Sep 28, 2016, 12:36 PM

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Are there any profiling tools available for optimization of game and map loading times?

safe shoal Sep 28, 2016, 1:12 PM

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@alpine sorrel Window -> Developer Tools -> Session Frontend

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Profiler Tab

alpine sorrel Sep 28, 2016, 1:20 PM

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Thanks. Looks like what I was really looking for was mem report. Just read great dev blog from Fated team on topic.

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 4:05 PM

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hey guys, why i cannot view my project's private folder of source folder in the content browser ?

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is this normal ?

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i can see the public folder but private folder is hidden for some reason

cerulean sequoia Sep 28, 2016, 4:10 PM

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yeah, you can only make engine content, plugin content and dev folders visible in the content browser https://a.rokket.space/uwqyrm.png ... while the source folder defaults to public

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 4:11 PM

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thats fun, because even if you make a c++ class public it still puts the cpp in the private folder

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however i can see the class in the class viewer

sweet crane Sep 28, 2016, 4:32 PM

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Does anyone know how to control the index of my material IDs or the element ID? When I import the FBX it just orders them some way I can't seemingly control. (For example, we want the yellow texture to be Element 0)

📎 materialindex.png

cerulean sequoia Sep 28, 2016, 4:35 PM

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that's a good question

sweet crane Sep 28, 2016, 4:36 PM

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Yeah so far It's just been a trial and error thing. Import into 3ds, mess around with the materials, maybe if I get lucky on the next import it gets it right, but most of the time it's not

cerulean sequoia Sep 28, 2016, 4:36 PM

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I usually don't have problems with that, but I use cinema4d and can just drag the materials around anyway.

sweet crane Sep 28, 2016, 4:37 PM

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Yeah even if I go into 3ds max and swap the materials around like black to yellow and yellow to black. I'll import back into UE and it will still have swapped the element indexes

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rage inducing haha

sweet crane Sep 28, 2016, 5:03 PM

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Ok I think I figured it out it's something you can do in 3ds max if you select your editable mesh in polygon mode and you can select/set material IDs and here you can reorder them

viral nexus Sep 28, 2016, 7:07 PM

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so, I deleted the folder ThirdPersonExample from my project cause i didn't need anything from it, now when I cook my project it is saying it can't find ThirdPersonGameMode even though I don't use it anywhere in my project

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how do i get it to stop trying to cook something that is not there

vapid wren Sep 28, 2016, 7:11 PM

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sounds like the game mode is still referenced in a map you're cooking, or in DefaultEngine.ini

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just a guess

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 8:29 PM

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@north lantern the purpose of private and public classes in C++ is to determine what can see the header outside of the module. It never needs the CPP so that goes in the private directory no matter what

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once your module is compiled if the header is public then other modules can make calls to it or use its types

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so you keep all of your internal types and classes private and make the useful ones public

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 8:53 PM

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what do you mean by saying modules ?

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ok found it

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looks like it is DLL

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 8:58 PM

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yeah a module can compile to a dll

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or a library on macos, etc

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if you have a DLL with no external headers but you know what memory space to use and how to cast things, you can actually make calls to it

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but without the header file it's VERY hard to do

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game modders do it all the time, using a game's DLLs to do stuff without headers

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:02 PM

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thanks was looking for way to produce dlls so i can speed up C++ compiling

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:04 PM

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that's what the PCH is for

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pre-compiled header

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it's virtually the same but more flexible

kindred viper Sep 28, 2016, 9:05 PM

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I thought it was Poorly Coded Header .... at least that's what the compiler told me 😦

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:05 PM

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loading DLLs in UE is a pain too

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and you need to handle each platofmr separately

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custom build scripts, compiler directives, etc

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do the PCH

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haha

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:16 PM

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but does that cover cpp files because a DLL is not just headers its cpp file as well

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i dont see how a pre compiled header will be the same

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:18 PM

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a DLL isn't a cpp file

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a DLL is a dll file, and you can include headers during distribution if you wish

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what you're saying is you want to pre-compile something so it cant'; be invalidated

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but what if you WANT to invalidate it?

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that's a lot of work to remake the dll

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whereas a pre-compiled header file is a header file for all of the pre-compiled code that you won't need to compile when you only change one small thing

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so it's basically a dll, but it's not.

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get my drift?

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when you compile some of it is already completed, it just assembles the dll from there

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:30 PM

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what i am saying is that i dont want to compile the entire project just for a few lines of code, so far the only solution i found that drastically reduces compile time is dlls

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obviously if the dll changes it will need to be recompiled but i rarely will need to do that

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since i will put in dll code that already works as intended

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but I am new to C++ maybe there is a better way of doing this

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:32 PM

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I just told you a better way

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:33 PM

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pre compiled headers roger

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:33 PM

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they're automatic. just add all of your header files to the PCH

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you might have to create it for a project, but plugins have them set up already

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:33 PM

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ok thanks but isnt this just for the headers ? we go back to my initial assumption that it does not deal with the cpp files

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:34 PM

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https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Boost_Compile_Times

Boost Compile Times

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no

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a pre-compiled header file is a map to all of the code that's already been built

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so if you change a cpp file it rebuilds it on next compile, but not all of the other cpp files it already built

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a header file is a map

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:35 PM

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by header we mean .h files here right ?

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:35 PM

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the way a compiler works is it gets all the CPP files and then looks at what header files they include

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yes

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:36 PM

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PCH it is then

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:37 PM

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when a compiler builds an executable or a DLL it grabs the CPP file, looks for the header file and uses both of them to create assembly

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there's no concept of "header" or "cpp" in the final result

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:38 PM

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obviously

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:38 PM

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it just happens that you can also include a header with a DLL as a map to how to use it

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:38 PM

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there is not even a concept of cpp, its just machine code

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 9:38 PM

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thing is you can't just compile only a header

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it results in nothing

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 9:38 PM

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because headers only contain definitions not declarations

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however the scenario it shows there it only went from 36 minutes to 23 minutes, its still extremely slow

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i still think DLL would be far faster, since you avoid both compiling and linking

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unless a pre compiled header also does not need linking which i find hard to believe

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i am talking here compile times of 2-5 seconds max

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this is what inspired me into using DLL

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMSBRk5WG58

YouTube

Handmade Hero

Handmade Hero Day 021 - Loading Game Code Dynamically

▶ Play video

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he basically implements a instantenous auto compile feature with live coding capabilities

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like hot reloading of unreal but far faster

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anyway i will take a deep look into this and see what we will see

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 10:08 PM

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well, good luck 😉

north lantern Sep 28, 2016, 10:17 PM

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Thank you for the help

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 10:20 PM

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anyone know when the 4.14 preview is due?

sacred crater Sep 28, 2016, 10:37 PM

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4.14? 4.13 just released? :o

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 10:38 PM

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4.13 was like christmas, but I want some of dem 4.14 goodies

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it's like how you get christmas then new years

feral dirge Sep 28, 2016, 11:04 PM

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mint yoke Sep 28, 2016, 11:30 PM

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i think that for chiristmas comes the 4.15

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 11:39 PM

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what's in 4.15?

cursive dirge Sep 28, 2016, 11:50 PM

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I kinda doubt that

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there's not even 4.14 branch on git yet

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so 4.14 will probably be out november earliest, or later in december

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usually branch has existed for a good while before previews too

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so wouldn't expect 4.14 previews for next few weeks

foggy valley Sep 28, 2016, 11:59 PM

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aww

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but I'm so bored of 4.13 and its flawless performance

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 12:48 AM

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fully dynamicly lit realtime path tracing for VR in 4.15

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via WebGL

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 12:50 AM

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you're making that up

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so mean

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 1:27 AM

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so, uh...

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do child actors require some special loving to work in the editor?

feral dirge Sep 29, 2016, 1:43 AM

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No

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:01 AM

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So should i compress cooked packages or not? do they take longer to load because they are compressed?

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 2:03 AM

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there are decent compression schemes that will uncompress as fast as not being compressed

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LZA is the shittiest of them

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and it's still good

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or LZH

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I can't remember the name

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just the first two letters 😄

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:04 AM

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yah, steam already compresses the download really well

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so i wonder if i should or shouldn't compress on disk

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:04 AM

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ue4 just gives you the option to either compress packages or not

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:04 AM

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right, im figuring out whether i want it on or not

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:04 AM

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I'd benchmark the loading times

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if there are ton of content

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:05 AM

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Our whole app is like 1GB

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:05 AM

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could also be little more taxing on level streaming

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if you do that

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in theory that is

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:05 AM

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we have a single level, that force loads all sublevels

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:06 AM

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yeah, then it's probably just the initial loading time

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:06 AM

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yeah, i'll see how big a difference it makes

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just trying to get redist install right via steam anyway, so its a good build to test

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Looks like tomorrows the day 😰

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:07 AM

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good luck

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have fun 😄

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if you get some benchmarks on with and without compression, would love to hear about them

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:08 AM

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779Mb packaged

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I doubt i will; no time

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looks at watch

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:08 AM

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I haven't seen any practical difference with or without but my projects been pretty minimal in content, I guess one could just test some bigger more content heavy things

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 2:09 AM

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I doubt for our project its going to make a huge difference

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:09 AM

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well, file sizes are drastically smaller of course

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but I mean perf now

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or loading actually

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 2:50 AM

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Hey Guys

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 2:51 AM

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sup

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 2:55 AM

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I've imported a model and placed it into my scene

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When I build lighting however it becomes black.

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I realize this has something to do with the UV's but I didn't make the model

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Is there a way to correct this?

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 2:58 AM

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show the model UVs

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get a screenshot

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both channels

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:01 AM

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http://puu.sh/rroru/da244e0376.jpg

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http://puu.sh/rrorU/5ee93ac54d.jpg

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:04 AM

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nah show the UVs

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it's a button on the top

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just looking at that, the normals look fucked too

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:07 AM

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Sorry

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http://puu.sh/rroHu/a0a1ef7108.jpg

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http://puu.sh/rroIq/6cbc9cb9fe.jpg

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:07 AM

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Yep

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Redo the uv

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It's non existant

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:08 AM

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yeah unreal needs an intial UV map to work with

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:08 AM

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Is it normal to share assets with no UV's?

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:08 AM

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do two UV sets - one that matches your texture placement, a second one that's everything unwrapped evenly

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UE will use the second one to make lightmap UVs

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yes it is when it comes to amateurs

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get used to it 😉

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:09 AM

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So in order to fix this I need Maya or can I do this in Uneral?

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Auto Generate UVs maybe?

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:09 AM

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maya

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c4d

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blender

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anything that can unwrap

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3d coat

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headus

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basically whatever you have except UE 😄

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:13 AM

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If you don't want to do that, use world aligned textures for example, but that is ill advised

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:13 AM

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World Aligned Textures?

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I've loaded up my model in Maya but I'm curious about that.

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:14 AM

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You can have a texture in your material aligned along xyz and tiles in a triplanar fashion

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It's useful for landscapes for example, adding details to cliffs.

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But it doesn't outweigh a proper UV

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:15 AM

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Well I do want to learn more about the ART side of things

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Is making a UV map hard?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:15 AM

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It's tedious IMO

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but nice once you've got it figured out

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:16 AM

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So whats is interesting is I took the Wood Log From here

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https://megascans.se/assets/qdtdP

Quixel Megascans

Megascans is the world’s largest online scan resource, containing thousands of standardised and physically based surface scans, vegetation scans and 3d scans.

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It didn't strike me that they would leave out UVs...

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:16 AM

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wow thats weird.... it should have a UV lol

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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If anyone wants to try out the Wood Log and let me know if I'm doing something wrong?

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I find it really odd it doesn't

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Plus its a complicated model

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probably hard to UV map?

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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Photoscanned stuff has weird uvs

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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I'll check it out nonlin

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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Thank

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s

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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I'm downloading a 256 tri one though

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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Uv isnt hard... it's just boring

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:17 AM

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Which one did you download?

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:18 AM

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4096

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7.282

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tri

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:18 AM

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Imagine a box of cornflakes, you try to unwrap this box into a sheet

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:18 AM

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Okay I'll do that

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:18 AM

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Takes time, isn't exiting....

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:18 AM

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I see

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:19 AM

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Gonna open it up in blender first to see if they have a UV

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:19 AM

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ok

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:20 AM

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They do

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The LOD5 one

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:20 AM

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i downloaded a rock from there and it was fine

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:20 AM

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the LOD1 i'm still downloading

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:20 AM

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So I have the wrong LOD?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:21 AM

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No, that shoudnt' matter

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:21 AM

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I chose High

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Did I Import incorrectly?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:21 AM

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I'm importing it into UE right now

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I'll report back in a sec

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:21 AM

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ok

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:23 AM

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Discord, would you kindly sync messages....

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:25 AM

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Hmm interesting

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:25 AM

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What did you discover RBD2?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:26 AM

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It has a UV but the UV isn't getting put into UE for some reason

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:26 AM

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So I'm not crazy !

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Is it an import setting?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:26 AM

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so I'm getting this right now

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📎 unknown.png

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:26 AM

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Same

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That is what I get

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Once you build lighting

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It will go black

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:26 AM

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have you set your import to generate lightmap UVs?

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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But that doesn't even look as it should

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I think that is on by Default

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Should it be off?

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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@cerulean sequoia his lightmap bake is failing due to no UVs

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so it's still a problem even with WPO textures

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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disable it it since it has them already

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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I see

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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so it HAS uvs but UE abandoned them?

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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oh wait

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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Well

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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is it an obj

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:27 AM

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Not abandoned

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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or an fbx

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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its fbx

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It detects that theres a UV map

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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try on 4.12

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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but it can't show it

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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is the UV map way off the normal 0-1 range?

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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numerous people reported that on 4.13 there are uv issues

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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interesting

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:28 AM

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Yeah i tested it on 4.13. my main project is on 4.12 but i'll check it out now

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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you imported and applied the material too?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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Yeah

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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Yea it provides mat and textures

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So I get only one UV Channel without the Generate UVs

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And that is empty

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4.13 bug?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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Importing it to 4.12 now

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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cool

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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Yeah and when I click show UV its just blank

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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hm

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:29 AM

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its supposed to show the UVs

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So its a UE issue

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because i imported it into blender and the tex applied normally

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:30 AM

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Maybe the model is too complicated for it to show?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:31 AM

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thats usually a non issue especially for UE

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lol

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:31 AM

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nope, I imported really high detail meshes before, no issues

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:31 AM

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try renaming the UV channel

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if you can

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:32 AM

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would be surprised if the engine has a problem figuring out UV mapping. that's like the most essential feature of any engine

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😛

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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if it thinks there's no UV data it won't build any though

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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Well you are more then welcome to download the asset and check it out

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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that's how it works

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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📎 unknown.png

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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there is a bug in the recent ue4 version, but the engine handles uv like any other program

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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sexy

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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https://megascans.se/assets/qdtdP Th Wood log

Quixel Megascans

Megascans is the world’s largest online scan resource, containing thousands of standardised and physically based surface scans, vegetation scans and 3d scans.

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Is that 4.12?

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It works in 4.12?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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Yeah 4.12

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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OMG

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FUK

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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as I said, 4.13 bug

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:33 AM

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import in 4.12, migrate to 4.13 project

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:34 AM

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Most beaufiul piece of dead log i've seen

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:34 AM

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LAME SAUCE

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:34 AM

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ay, maybe RBD2 is kind enough to send you his .uasset

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:34 AM

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That would be nice

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So I don't have to download 4.12

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:34 AM

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actually yeah i guess my testing was done in 4.12 too :/

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:35 AM

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Is it a commonly occuring issue though?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:35 AM

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I'll export you the mesh only yeah? because i doubt the texture will be any different

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:35 AM

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Yea

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http://polycount.com/discussion/177081/answered-texture-or-asset-problem-ue-4-13-megascans

polycount

Answered: Texture or asset problem? UE 4.13 & Megascans

Hi!

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What are the odds that I Learn about Megascans and its with 4.13 when UVs break

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Wanted to try my hands at making some photo real scenes

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:36 AM

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@mint raptor

📎 Aset_wood_log_M_qdtdP_LOD0.uasset

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 3:36 AM

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I can't for the life of me get my game to start windowed

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:37 AM

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Lemme know if it works

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:37 AM

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try the command "fullscreen"@knotty brook toggles between windowed and fullscreen

weary basalt Sep 29, 2016, 3:37 AM

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@knotty brook Do you have a default config that is overriding?

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Check that there are no saved configs that are overriding your fullscreen...ness 😛

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:38 AM

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haha

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:39 AM

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you could just do at game start r.SetRes 1280x720w

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or something

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Making all these micro assets seems awesome. Too bad my game is too large scaled to do detail props haha 😛

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:42 AM

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well a game doesn't has to be large scale... stuff like P.T. has a tiny playable area

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:42 AM

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Well yeah but I mean my game takes place in the sky 😛

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:42 AM

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oh well

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:43 AM

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Much better

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Thanks RBD2

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http://puu.sh/rrqB9/142296128e.jpg

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:43 AM

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no worries 👍🏻

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:44 AM

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Anyone know of a place that has lots of free scanned photo real assets?

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Megascans has just a few

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:44 AM

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like photogrammetry stuff?

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:44 AM

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I suppose so. Are they the same thing?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:44 AM

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Scanlab?

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Yeah

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Oh wait not scanlab

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I'm thinking of something else

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:45 AM

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i think megascans is the first real big one, but of course you need to pay for the library

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:45 AM

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Is making good photo scans hard, expensive or both?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:46 AM

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Quite hard. depending on what you're trying to do that is

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:46 AM

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ay, for now a lot of people do their own photogrammetry, it's fairly new that it became viable for game development

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:46 AM

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well they use their own hardware to get the scans

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:46 AM

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If you're just trying to get Textures it's quite simple

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:46 AM

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you need a camera, and a lot of time.... 0lento and BlackFox did some photoscan stuff recently

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:46 AM

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but photoscanned models are a different thing

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:47 AM

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I wanted to dabble into that territory too, but I have to get my camera cleaned first

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:47 AM

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So it doesn't take any special hardware then?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:47 AM

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Not really. but special software is needed from what I've heard from my friends that do photoscanning

mint raptor Sep 29, 2016, 3:48 AM

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Hard to find good guides on it

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:48 AM

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try the word photogrammetry instead

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:49 AM

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ay textures are fairly easy "grab a camera, a macbeth, make a few decent photos and remove light data to make it an albedo, then generate roughness metal and normal from that" and by fairly easy I mean it's still hard if you have no idea what you're doing

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:49 AM

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macbeth?

brisk path Sep 29, 2016, 3:50 AM

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Yeah textures are easy. but once you try to do models it gets a bit harder

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:50 AM

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a color checker

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http://www.ae5d.com/macbeth.html

This is a discussion of the Macbeth color checker, which
is a test chart used in video and film production. The Macbeth Color Checker is a tool
for serious photographers and film developers. It provides a set of known reference colors
which can be used as a setup and adjustment standard in film and video production. The
Color Checker is used for precise color balance when shooting color film.

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:50 AM

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aah cool

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 3:51 AM

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a macbeth has 24 colors that are used for color correction / proofing

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:52 AM

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pr0tip: you can hold the backslash button down in UE4 to bring up something similar

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in perspective viewport

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 3:52 AM

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oo

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but it's half buried in the floor

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 3:54 AM

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try a vertical surface :p

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but yeah

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 4:04 AM

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sorry i got distracted,

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This is my DefaultGameUserSettings.ini file

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📎 DefaultGameUserSettings.ini

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i tried executing that console command, but it seems to still bump me to fullscreen, if i pull down the console in the packaged dev build i can do r.setres 1280x720w fine

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but calling from gamemode beginplay doesn't work

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 4:07 AM

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@dire creek what does backslash do, doesn't do anything for me

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 4:07 AM

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hold it down and mouse over your scene

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brings this up

📎 unknown.png

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 4:11 AM

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guess that doesn't work on non-english keyboards

dire creek Sep 29, 2016, 4:11 AM

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ah

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 7:41 AM

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Daily spam about modding : https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?123419-How-can-I-release-a-modding-SDK-for-my-game

Hello,

My game is nearing completion, and we've started taking a closer look at modding. Our title supports it on the technical side - we can detect and use mod content, assets can be replaced, etc. The game-specific part is all but done. I still have questions about the releasing and process, though. After much discussion on UnrealSlackers and this forum, some questions are still up in the air. Let's get to it :)

My game has a C++ source, uses the vanilla Unreal Editor without plugins,

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It looks more and more like no game dev has done it before, except by Epic's grace on their launcher

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 8:08 AM

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talking of macbeth

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I use x-rite colorchecker passport

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it's really expensive for what it is

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but it's super handy

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as it goes into your pocket and you can practically carry it with you

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and the included color profile software generates profiles that are compatible with RawTherapee (free lightroom alternative)

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@mint raptor I didn't read everything, but if you are after photoscanned models, megascan ones are not the greatest ones

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their surface materials look good though

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I looked at some of their free stuff and there were all kinds of errors all around

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but I guess different people have different standards, like what they think is good enough

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photogrammetry isn't super hard when you know all the basics, but even when you do know them, it's really time consuming and it involves with lots of manual work

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I've seen on unreal slackers that some members think that photogrammetry is some press a button and get automatic model solution but it's really far from that

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 8:14 AM

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it isn't? but my "make game" button still works right?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 8:14 AM

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you can automate some stages though, and it appears quixel guys do that too (their models don't even have proper unwrapping)

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heh

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it seems that quixels meshes are more ment for film and offline renders, as there you don't need to be as efficient with geometry and uv's

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 9:13 AM

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can someone help me with advice on how to create dynamic rope object? By dynamic I mean that player could grab and pull rope at any point?

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I took a look at the UCable, but it looks like an static object..\

opal spindle Sep 29, 2016, 9:26 AM

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For modding you could have them just DL the stock engine you use assuming it's a binary build

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Then release a custom project

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With custom build settings

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Add some documentation and potential verification when sending in the mod and you should be set

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 9:29 AM

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that isn't really helping since we don't even know half of the stuff

frank escarp Sep 29, 2016, 9:30 AM

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i think the modsdks in epic launcher is the normal engine

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with a normal project

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just with the c++ code in the dll

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i think you need to recompile the engine in a certain way, and build your game in a certain way

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but i have no clue

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 9:31 AM

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stranger is trying to figure out exactly how modding works... I'm interested in that too, but it's not a priority right now

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:39 AM

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@opal spindle It's much more complicated than that.

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Basically nobody knows anything

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The only official resource has a major workflow issue (the tutorial has the game developer building the mod, basically)

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There are major legal issues (can't redistribute UE4 Editor)

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If you're doing a C++ project, you can't have modding outside of Epic Launcher (requires selection by Epic, and probably a business deal)

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And some other facts are not known (compatibility of mods with game versions, release process, etc)

opal spindle Sep 29, 2016, 9:43 AM

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Welp

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:43 AM

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On top of it, I can't get the tutorial to work on 4.13

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So it's really a bunch of different issues, and Epic appears unwilling to commit to anything

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:46 AM

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what tutorial?

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 9:46 AM

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@cloud cobalt I think they just dont have enough time to provide updated workflow

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:46 AM

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https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Modding:_Adding_mod-support_to_your_Unreal_Engine_4_project

Modding: Adding mod-support to your Unreal Engine 4 project

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:46 AM

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btw, the cable plugin in unreal is not static, it's simulated (I've used it) but it doesn't have collisions

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ah, thought you were talking about the rope thing 😄

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:47 AM

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If the modding tutorial on the wiki worked, provided the workflow is just for the tutorial's sake and not representativ of actual use, we could have modding support overnight, but that's just because oru game is open-source

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:47 AM

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@cloud cobalt you probably know loomans tutorial?

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:47 AM

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That's the one

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:47 AM

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ah ok

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:48 AM

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Can't get it to work and the workflow makes no sense

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The workflow part is hopefully miscommunication

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(The tutorial has the game author generate releases with the mod already in the game)

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(Hopefully that's just because it's easier to explain that way, but I can't get answers on that either)

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See feedback on the tutorial here : https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/495635/mod-plugin-doesnt-load.html

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:50 AM

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so

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even the sample project doesn't work for you?

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:51 AM

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Matthew Clark doesn't seem to sure about building mods based on previous releases, which is the entire point of it

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The sample project brings a packaged version that does work, but I can't reproduce it based on the tutorial steps

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(using the source sample project)

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I believe the entire thing works and suits our needs, it's just been two weeks of trial and error and answers come slowly if at all

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:54 AM

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what you mean by previous releases?

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surely the editor itself has to be identical for both games and mods

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for example, I think Ark has been based of the same ue4 engine version ever since they released into early access. Even they've updated it internally, the core engine is most likely still pretty much unchanged

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 9:56 AM

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@cursive dirge well, cable and rope are almost same thing.

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:56 AM

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I'm talking about game releases, not engine releases.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:56 AM

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ah, ok

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:57 AM

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basically the asset registry for cooked assets

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:57 AM

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@hushed rose sure the simulation works the same, but you can't use the built-in component with any interaction as it's been designed as purely cosmetic thing

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:58 AM

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You should technically be able to provide a subset of your game to modders, plus the assetvr egistry for the latest release

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:58 AM

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there are third party plugins that do rope sims though

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:58 AM

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It's enough to build a mod against that release, supposedly

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But good luck getting anyone at Epic to care and explain if it is

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:58 AM

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hmmm

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well

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that side is pretty much undocumented

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even the DLC part is barely mentioned at the docs if I remember right

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 9:59 AM

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Yeah, it is

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But then you see tweets from Tim Sweeney in 2014 who's like "yeah, we love modding so much"

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 9:59 AM

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heh

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I wonder if they'll accept like any project into launchers modding page

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that's not directly relevant to your current issues

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but just wondering how they've planned that out

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because engine distribution to modders is not straight forward atm due to licensing issues

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at least, if you've modded the engine

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which I'd expect most bigger titles having to do

opal spindle Sep 29, 2016, 10:13 AM

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They should really be more transparent with this stuff

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:18 AM

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How many AAA games are out that use UE4?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:25 AM

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you could probably count them by your ten fingers, at least the released ones

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https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Category:Games (that doesn't list everyone)

Category:Games

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even Ark isn't listed there

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Tappy Chicken is though

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 10:26 AM

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because, they are not AAA

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:27 AM

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that's not AAA game list

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just list of UE4 games

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and people like to define AAA in so many ways

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in past it used to indicate multimillion dollar budget behind the title

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4 studios work on ARK and pretty sure they spend ton of money still on it's development

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so if only budget and people counts would matter, it would fit into AAA definition

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some expect AAA to mark certain quality bar on assets / high production values

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whole definition is so vague it's something that people often debate about

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like what is qualified as AAA

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we have even "AAA" quality assets on marketplace

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which I personally find ridiculous

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especially since they usually are not top notch even

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 10:30 AM

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early access - AAA : this is three words that we should NOT use together

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:30 AM

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I wonder where codemasters would fit

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it's not a huge studio

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but they pretty much nailed Dirt Rally Early Access

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:30 AM

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AAa?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:30 AM

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heh

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I personally dislike the whole term

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because it mean so different things to different people

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)

AAA (video game industry)

In the video game industry, AAA (pronounced "triple A") or Triple-A is a classification term used for games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. A title considered to be AAA is therefore expected to be a high quality game or to be among the year's bestsellers.

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 10:32 AM

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well, in ideal world high development budget should lead to high quality game

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:33 AM

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like

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in Batman: Arkham Knight?

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 10:33 AM

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yeah

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you mean PC version?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:33 AM

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or GTA IV pc port?

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yeah

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:33 AM

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Like Alone in the Dark?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:33 AM

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pc ports are often not so well made 😄

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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High quality games with high budgets.....

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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@cerulean sequoia I'll pretend you mean the original game and say it was awesome

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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Duke nukem forever

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Ther you go

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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well, now where are talking about technical part of game

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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😄

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yeah

feral echo Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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and dont forget, I told "in ideal world" ;d

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

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since the whole definition is super vague

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:35 AM

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Duke would be AAAA by money/time definition

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:35 AM

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In the late 90s, during gaming conventions in the US (CES, CGDC, E3 and private ones), some development companies started using the expression AAA[9] among themselves, based on the Academic grading in the United States (A being the highest and F, denoting failure, the lowest).

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As the years progressed and during the new millennium, many publishers started to consider their games to be AAA even before their release, and justified this decision through huge development and marketing budgets.

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that's from the wiki article, sure it's written by some random people

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but it describes the thing pretty well

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:36 AM

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Ay

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:36 AM

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it's just a term that publishers came up with to assure consumers their games are better

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 10:37 AM

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However, I'm off to bed now. Cheers

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 10:37 AM

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good call ;D

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g'night

opal spindle Sep 29, 2016, 11:00 AM

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Indie games are better than AAA nowadays

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 11:16 AM

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that sure is a generalization.

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 11:20 AM

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I did a quick scientific study of a group that includes all indie games and all AAA titles that have ever existed or will ever exist and NMS pulled the curve down

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 11:24 AM

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NMS was a indie game though

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 11:28 AM

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yes

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the survey included indie games

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it was instantaneous

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 12:13 PM

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NMS is an indie game that got AAA coverage and pricing

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 12:16 PM

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NMS was technically indie and had indie funding for the most part (outside plentiful marketing via sony)

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but they created a game that got pretty close to AAA standards.

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 12:18 PM

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Not really

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That's basically why the launch was that messy

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 12:19 PM

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I have a very strong opinion on that game that is more rooted in facts

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At the end of the day, people got molyneux'd to some extent, but that's what happens when the audience demands more information during mid-developmet

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The game itself is really good for what it aims to do

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 12:19 PM

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Yeah

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Which is not AAA by any mean

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The game does what reasonable people expected

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But it's a far cry from AAA in terms of content, gameplay polish, and overall quality

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Not when you can buy Witcher 3 for the same price

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Sorry, that as quite off topic

frank escarp Sep 29, 2016, 1:08 PM

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its not AAA but it got AAA level marketing by playstation hype

whole trellis Sep 29, 2016, 1:08 PM

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Hey guys, I've been having this problem for quite a while, didn't really find anything on how to fix it. http://prntscr.com/cnrdon Any ideas? (Yeah i did go through quite a bit of posts about this and it was just people saying that they had the problem but no actual fixes. Or at least i wasn't able to find any.)

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 1:09 PM

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Whats the problem? you need to recompile?

whole trellis Sep 29, 2016, 1:09 PM

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Alright so i created a third-person c++ project in ue

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and it told me to go and compile it in visual studio

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and i get that window when i do so.

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 1:10 PM

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what version did you compile in visual studio. You should do development editor / win64

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or you should just click yes on that button and it will do the right thing

whole trellis Sep 29, 2016, 1:11 PM

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I tried clicking the yes button and then another window showed up saying that it couldn't compile it and ill need to do it manually

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Also http://prntscr.com/cnrgdl i can't tell if its development editor or just development

Lightshot

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Looks like it doesn't matter, it gave me the same thing http://prntscr.com/cnrgsd

Lightshot

Screenshot

Captured with Lightshot

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^ after i clicked "Yes".

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 1:13 PM

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looks like something is wrong with your code

whole trellis Sep 29, 2016, 1:13 PM

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Hm.. On a freshly created project?

knotty brook Sep 29, 2016, 1:13 PM

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does visual studio compile successfully? Right click your uproject and regenerate visual studio files

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ya, thats strange

whole trellis Sep 29, 2016, 1:15 PM

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How can i regenerate the files?

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Hm, i re-created the project on a different drive and it seems like it fixed it..

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 1:25 PM

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nah

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you just need to open the project in VS

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compile there

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the automatic recompile when you just open uproject directly fails like 50% of the time

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if it still doesn't compile from VS, then you can just regenerate the project files, I usually wipe ue4 generated stuff too if there's some oddities (intermediate + saved folders) before regenerating project files

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if you did a new project with same engine version, then it'll most likely just open up

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you only need to recompile c++ code that was from previous engine version

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making new projects is not the real solution when you actually have some work done though :p

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 2:36 PM

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4.13.1 release notes: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?121670-4-13-Released!&p=601810#post601810

Unreal Engine 4.13 Release Notes

This release brings hundreds of updates for Unreal Engine 4, including 145 improvements submitted by the community of Unreal Engine developers on GitHub! Thanks to all of these contributors to Unreal Engine 4.13:

0lento, alk3ovation, Allegorithmic (Allegorithmic), Alwin Tom (alwintom), Andreas Axelsson (judgeaxl), Andrew Scheidecker (AndrewScheidecker), Andrian Nord (NightNord), ArnoB (ABeekhub), Artem (umerov1999), Artem V. Navrotskiy (bozaro), Błażej

ashen brook Sep 29, 2016, 3:24 PM

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thanks! Was just looking for those

upper heart Sep 29, 2016, 3:32 PM

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yay I was just checking earlier this morning wondering when 4.13.1 was coming out 😃

faint horizon Sep 29, 2016, 5:32 PM

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https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2016/Program/ekstrand_vulkan.pdf

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"anatomy of a vulcan driver"

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+comparison to opengl

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:35 PM

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anyone used speedtree modeler?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:35 PM

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I've used it, but am not a pro user

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:35 PM

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i was told to use the "leaf map maker"

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i have no idea how to do that.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:36 PM

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ah I haven't use that myself, but it didn't look too complicated to use

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most of the speedtree modeler things are pretty self-explanotary onece you just check what the different sliders do

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http://docs.speedtree.com/doku.php?id=leaf_map_maker

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:37 PM

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yeah

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but

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i can't seem to bring that up

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:37 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY5_K0Y0hAM

YouTube

SpeedTree Middleware

SpeedTree Leaf Map Makers Explained

▶ Play video

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:37 PM

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all they do is recommend opening one.

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found that too

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still not sure how to access that screen.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:38 PM

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do you have leaves added in the generation tree

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not sure if the leaves section needs to be selected for that to work or something like that

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:39 PM

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hrm, okay

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:39 PM

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it's been like 6 months since I've touched that app

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I'd check the top menu too

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:39 PM

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i can understand the entire rendering pipeline, shaders, materials, C++, blueprint, graphcis APIs, etc.

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but i can't make grass.

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my ancestors are so disappoint.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:41 PM

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1. Isolate the main level branch that you want to turn into a Leaf Map Maker by clicking 'Target' in the tool bar and selecting the branch.

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:41 PM

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ahhhhh

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great

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ty

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:41 PM

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np

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I probably have some speedtree tutorials somewhere too but I've never actually needed to watch them for things I've done

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:43 PM

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i hate video tutorials so much.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:43 PM

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they usually go off topic and do silly things all around

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love precise and quick feature overview on video-form though

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they are great, like where they show just individual feats one by one

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one guy did those for each modo feat

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and zclassroom has similar ones for zbrush

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btw

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just saying this in case you have interest in it / have missed the option

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you can bring custom trunk meshes to speedtree, and create procedural branches etc on it

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that imported obj etc trunk will then work just like any speedtree trunk, react to wind etc

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:46 PM

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yea

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:46 PM

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that can be handy if you need to do some really custom thing but don't bother doing the branches manually

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:46 PM

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i just gathered that, actually.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:46 PM

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heh

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yeah, I plan to use that for photogrammetry trunks

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:46 PM

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so, uh

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i have an atlas with leaves on it

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how do I unwrap the UVs?

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or whatevs

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:47 PM

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it should do it all automatically?

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:47 PM

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interesting.

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:47 PM

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oh

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you mean your own photo

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hmmm, not sure if works like that

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I always thought you should bring in individual leaves for that leaf map generator

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it'll generate the texture and uv's

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but...

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if you really want to, you can make leaf mesh and uv's on external tool

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and bring that into speedtree

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you can also do stuff like snow chunks on top of branches etc with that

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:49 PM

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yeah, that's definitely not me

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i'm just seeing if this is a flow i can do quickly

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:49 PM

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leaf maps are more efficient, but they'll not look as good close up

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unless you can put some bigger resolution to them of course

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but you get the point

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if you really wanted some great looking stuff done in speedtree, I'm fairly certain you'd need to do the custom leaf branch meshes with custom uv's

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that way you could have bunch of different leaves at higher resolution and same time reuse same leaves around the mesh with some smart uv-mapping

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I think epic did that on kite demo

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(it had speedtrees)

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if you look at the tree that shows up in the final video a lot, it has like 4 leaves right next to eachothers or something, so it's definitely not using the stock speedtree generators for it

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 5:52 PM

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i think i'm kinda on the right direction

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thanks for the help ❤

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 5:52 PM

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yeah, I'll shut up ;D

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np

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:13 PM

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how can i export smooth asset from maya to unreal in low poly?

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I could in Unity, but in UE4 all my assets are ugly without smooth

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and if i press "Smooth" in Maya, it isnt low poly

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 6:26 PM

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smoothing groups

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not sure what they are called in Maya

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1hOFIGatgc ?

YouTube

Онлайн уроки

14. Smoothing groups inside of Maya

▶ Play video

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:27 PM

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look at this

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I have this Low Poly Mesh

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If i press 3, it will be a preview smooth

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📎 unknown.png

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The same Low Poly mesh smoothed

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if i export it on fbx, UE4 import the ugly Low Poly

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if i want to import a smooth mesh i have to "smooth" it first in Maya

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But.. It wont be Low Poly, look:

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its a simple sphere, imagine a large mesh smoothed

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 6:31 PM

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you don't need to preview the smoothing

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it's not the same thing

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you need to set the normals smoothing groups

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:32 PM

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How can i have the "Smooth quality" in UE4 without a HighPoly?

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 6:32 PM

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if you watch that video, they do sphere in the end

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yes

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unreal prefers models with smoothing groups

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if you don't have them, it even throws a warning about it when importing a new mesh

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:34 PM

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if i go to normal and do "Soften Edges" i have a better smooth with the same Low Poly, but it isnt smooth enought

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Yeah i set Smooth groups

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 6:35 PM

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then you need more polygons, if you are talking about the edges

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polygons itself shouldn't have any visible edges anymore

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if you've properly set the smoothing

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it's same in unity though, you can't make the mesh look smoother for the overal shape without adding more polygons

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:36 PM

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i will see the video and test in a large mesh, in Unity it was instantanely, export LowPoly and appear HighPoly

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Im new with Ue :/

cursive dirge Sep 29, 2016, 6:36 PM

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well, it really doesn't work like that in unity

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if you import low poly, it'll be low poly

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it might calculate smoothing automatically

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but it doesn't alter your polygons

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:37 PM

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i thought UE has something to "smooth" Low Poly static mesh or something

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ok ty Olento!! ❤ I will see the video

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 6:39 PM

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You have to use normal mapping

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Bake a normal map from the high poly and the low poly, export the low poly, apply normal map

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Or just use more polygons

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 6:41 PM

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i will try, ill post it here for results

karmic sparrow Sep 29, 2016, 6:51 PM

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You could tesselate your geometry which also would result in a higher polycount, but in this case going with the highpoly sphere in the first place would be much smarter as tesselation is a quite GPU expensive 😄

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 7:23 PM

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Solved!! Thanks you guys! @0lento#8809 @cloud cobalt @karmic sparrow

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Finally I add some Bevels from Maya to the mesh for Smooth" the border edges, and the rest are fine with a normal map

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My problem was the borders, if you look at the middle the normal map do a great job, but when you walk around the mesh and look the border edges its ugly

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So I added some bevels (Edges in the borders to smooth) and the assets have more polygons.. but its worth

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 7:36 PM

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unless you're going ham with the polycount, UE4 doesn't care anyway.... I can look at scenes with a million polys and 4k textures no problem. You have an option in UE4 during model import to calculate normals and all that fun atuff, if smoothing group info is provided it makes your model use these

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 7:44 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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It was annoying, but i think i discover things that will make sense in future modelling/personal assets

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 7:45 PM

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please don't tell me you actually want the full phong unity shit effect that just looks bad

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 7:46 PM

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Hahahaha Unreal can be weird at the beggining, but when you know how to work with him, its love ❤

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I have to work hard in the first scenes

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 7:46 PM

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https://a.rokket.space/oplaef.png

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 8:00 PM

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One million triangles is not even UE4 realm, UE3 could do it

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Crysis 3 pushed much more than that on PC

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(CE)

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 8:04 PM

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ay, but I was just giving an example

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 8:04 PM

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im scared to do a high poly and exploit PC`s or Xboxs

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Low Poly is a Must for me, and try to optimize all

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 8:04 PM

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Low poly and high poly are not mutually exclusives

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You need both

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 8:04 PM

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sometimes I try to do incorrect thing because of it

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 8:04 PM

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ha, don't worry, unless you're trying to run UE4 on a toaster nothing will explode

cloud cobalt Sep 29, 2016, 8:05 PM

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"Low poly" in UE4 usually means thousands, tens of thousands of triangles

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Depending on object

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 8:05 PM

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i had an idea 1 week ago

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in Maya we can work with scripts, that are Box in the viewport, but when you render you can see a large mesh

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with mental ray

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UE4 have something similar?

cerulean sequoia Sep 29, 2016, 8:07 PM

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that's relying on scripts in maya? jesus it's just a viewport flag

karmic thistle Sep 29, 2016, 8:07 PM

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xD

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I think i have to stop today, too many hours testing things

frank escarp Sep 29, 2016, 8:56 PM

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in desktop, you can go to 2-4 million polygons easily

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i found drawcalls be more annoying

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but im on VR so 90 fps and drawcalls AND polygons are doubled

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 9:23 PM

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are there any patch notes for 4.13.1?

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 9:25 PM

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yeah, in the forums.

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124400-4-13-1-Hotfix-Released

The 4.13.1 Hotfix is now live! This hotfix resolves over 70 important issues for the 4.13 release.

Feel free to discuss this release on the 4.13 Forum thread.

If you experience a bug with the 4.13.1 Hotfix, please remember to log a bug report for the issue on the UE4 AnswerHub to the Bug Reports section.

Fixed in 4.13.1

Fixed! UE-35735 Crash Occurs While Running EQS Using Add Generated Vector Node
Fixed! UE-35852 AI Move To Location zeros velocity each call, causing the AI Pawn

kindred viper Sep 29, 2016, 9:27 PM

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accidentally ended up on 4.13.2 . fingers crossed :p

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 9:31 PM

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cheers

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gl marc

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I heard 4.13.2 uses hell energy

plush yew Sep 29, 2016, 9:40 PM

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Just released a new free plugin to extract text from over a thousand file formats: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124437-Plugin-Example-Java-in-UE4-Text-extraction-via-Tika

It also shows an example of how to integrate Java libraries in UE4, might be useful to the community.

Java in UE4 - Text Extractor Plugin

Unreal Engine 4 integraton of Apache Tika™, a Java based library to detect and extract metadata and text from over a thousand different file types (such as PPT, XLS, and PDF).
Github: https://github.com/Deams51/TextExtractor-UE4

This was originally part of a paid job, but since I couldn't find a proper example of Java integration in UE4, here it is.
Feedback is more than welcome on the implementation!

Usage
Add the plugin to your plugin folder.

foggy valley Sep 29, 2016, 9:52 PM

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yay

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 9:53 PM

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I really wish there was a well-done lua plugin.

opal spindle Sep 29, 2016, 10:21 PM

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Anyone ever succeeded in packaging in chunks?

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Can't find much about separating and splitting pak files

gaunt raptor Sep 29, 2016, 11:02 PM

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does anyone know how to get the vector location of a bone in the animation editor

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 11:03 PM

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count the pixels and do a mental conversion in your head to world units

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i'm helpful.

gaunt raptor Sep 29, 2016, 11:03 PM

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i dont wanna do that in 3 dimensiosnsdaoinfasdflknadfgad

urban salmon Sep 29, 2016, 11:53 PM

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what is the default location of the UE4 packaged build's ddc?

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i already overwrote the file wiht my custom location ;_;

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or i could just google it and find it in the first result.

karmic thistle Sep 30, 2016, 12:11 AM

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Yeah, I´m sure my problem (2 hours ago) is solved 💪 Low Poly in High Quality without smoothing

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 12:20 AM

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go to your mesh, go to build settings

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oh, you solved it

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ignore me 😄

real hinge Sep 30, 2016, 12:31 AM

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Just found this - beta release of crash bandicoot fan game. https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124116-Crash-Bandicoot-Timetwister-Beta-Download

Crash Bandicoot: Timetwister is a fan created version of Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped on Unreal Engine 4. Every piece of asset is recreated with keeping nostalgia of them.

For more information & testing the beta, visit: https://cbtimetwister.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BiYLGlCwk

floral pagoda Sep 30, 2016, 6:53 AM

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😮

polar hawk Sep 30, 2016, 7:07 AM

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Yeah, I have had the long term goal of recreating Crash Bandicoot as well

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I'll do it... some day

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 7:09 AM

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generic platformer?

polar hawk Sep 30, 2016, 7:09 AM

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Yeah

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I was just going to remake Crash Bandicoot

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Then take out all the Crash Bandicoot specific things

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Sell base as platformer, get views with remake

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Had this goal since like ue2 but

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Ya know, life

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and copyright laws

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 7:10 AM

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this is a dubious business model.

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 8:50 AM

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@native tangle https://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/modo/trial/

Trial MODO for FREE today with a 30 day trial. Find out more about what MODO can do and what it's been used for on our website today.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 8:52 AM

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oo nice ty

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i didnt know the foundry was modo.

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i seen it in steam.

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 8:53 AM

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fellow teammember uses modo, I prefer to stick to c4d, but I use some of their other software for motiondesign :)

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 8:55 AM

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wtf it says someone used my email for this software -.-

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seriously? ugh

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 8:56 AM

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I use modo indie

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it's awesome in my opinion

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but you need to be aware of the limitations on indie version

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also, if planning to get indie, you may as well wait for some steam sale

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for example, modo indie 10 was -40% on last steam summer sale

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 8:58 AM

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im not going to buy it till i know how to use it. by then i can setup payment options to my payee. my issue was i couldnt find a trial

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 8:58 AM

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ah

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well

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if you get the trial

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I can link you to some tutorials that'll get you going faster

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 8:59 AM

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just got it. imma start learning it

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 8:59 AM

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ah

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 8:59 AM

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ooo thankyou. that will help alot.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 8:59 AM

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well, I'll check if I find that stuff, modo has lots of user made things but most are not that good or doesn't explain things from the beginning for new users

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@native tangle if you don't mind super duper dandy from 0 tutorials, these are great starting points:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE7EC667FBBD922FC
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL42746C52FC0AD02D

YouTube

Pat Crandley

The modo Interface

▶ Play video

YouTube

Pat Crandley

The modo Modeling Tools

▶ Play video

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also check the UV mapping one from here https://www.youtube.com/user/patcran/playlists

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well, they all are on those playlists

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 9:04 AM

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thankyou. i'm going to start now. i got 15 hours sleep after 5 days with none so im fired up ready to go

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 9:04 AM

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this is my go-to place if I want to learn what some individual modo feat does or how it is supposed to be used: https://www.youtube.com/user/dominiekdr/playlists

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that's probably the best resource for individual tool usage you can find

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also, this is old but still relevant for most parts: http://www.solidsmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/modo-501-shortcuts.jpg

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and once you get bit further, grasp the basics, you may start looking at this: https://flippednormals.com/tutorial/faster-modeling-in-modo/ but do try to figure the basic usage first

FlippedNormals

Faster modeling in modo

In this tutorial we're going to explore how you can customize modo for your needs, and how this can help you achieve faster modeling in modo.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 9:06 AM

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oh wow this is alot of resources.

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thankyou

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 9:06 AM

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np

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just drop me a note if you have something that bugs you on modo

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I'm not super advanced user myself, I mainly use the modeling and uv tools there

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oh

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one more thing

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if you hate the trackball navigation preset (like most people do), you can turn it of from modo's preferences for global setting, or from individual modes viewports

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what I mean by trackball navigation, is that it rotates freely on sides, when you actually have modo open, you'll understand what I mean

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 9:10 AM

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you mean lock it to turntable?

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I think that's one of the first thing I did in it

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 9:10 AM

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it seems to not do that.

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my version looks alot different than the videos

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it gave me v10

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 9:11 AM

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yeah, it's slightly different but not much

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there are some additional tabs on top bar

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same basics still apply

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 9:11 AM

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yea 😃

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 9:15 AM

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also

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if you plan to get indie at some point

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don't learn how to do things with external scripts

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as indie doesn't support them

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that's sad but it's mainly that way so people couldn't script around the other limitations

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@foggy valley I dunno what's the correct term, but it's so that when you rotate around the model, the plane itself doesn't rotate clockwise or counterclockwise

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you can still orbit around the object

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there's also another option for orbiting too which can be handy

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then your model stays in the middle and you can literally orbit around it

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hmmm.. not sure if it's actually enabled by default nowadays

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there's also one more default setting that bugged me personally

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and it's not being able to "select through" more verts, edges, polygons while you have some of the transform gizmos active

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by default, you have to drop the tool to adjust the selection

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but that can be changed to work more like in maya etc

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by transform I mean, move, rotate, scale

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@native tangle oh, forgot to mention, digital tutors (now pluralsight) intro tutorials for modo are fairly good. I don't like their advanced stuff as they make some really weird workflows on them but basic ones are pretty good

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you can get 3 month free sub to pluralsight if you join https://www.visualstudio.com/dev-essentials/

Visual Studio

Want a Developer Program with Everything?

Visual Studio Dev Essentials: Everything you need, all in one place: Developer tools, cloud services, software, training, support. Free developer program.

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that doesn't cost a thing

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 2:27 PM

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anyone know how to uninstall an addon that is broken?

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 2:28 PM

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edit your project file directly if it's a plugin

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delete the asset from content if it's in there

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better to have a broken ref then a bad crash

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 2:29 PM

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its an engine addon

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 2:29 PM

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just delete it then, most parts of the framework handle stuff disappearing fine

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 2:29 PM

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its installed to the engine not my project

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 2:29 PM

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you can still delete it

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 2:29 PM

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its called skookum

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 2:30 PM

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well delete snookums

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you can see your installed plugins in the launcher

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 2:32 PM

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i removed it from there but its still spaming me saying this project requires skookumscript. i can't open myt project now.

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 2:47 PM

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open your .uproject file in notepad and carefully remove the entry for skookum there (please for the love of god make a backup first)

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 2:50 PM

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don't do backups, edit the file directly yolo

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impending marriage has made you cautious

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 2:51 PM

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yeah just snip that entire plugin thing, and wonder why your project breaks :P

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 2:51 PM

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no need to wonder, it's the man fighting back. delete more stuff!

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 3:15 PM

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i just set it to enabled=false like the chinese writing guy said

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its working now thankyou!

knotty brook Sep 30, 2016, 3:16 PM

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hmmm if i try and open my 4.13 project in 4.14 (promoted) it says all my files were made with a new version of the engine...that didn't happen before

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 3:17 PM

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how did you get 4.14?

knotty brook Sep 30, 2016, 3:17 PM

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from github

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 3:18 PM

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development build?

knotty brook Sep 30, 2016, 3:18 PM

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promoted (i.e. super fucking early, but one step behind the live code pushes from the developers)

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 3:19 PM

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I'd wait for an official release. you never know what kinda issues it can cause.

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 3:20 PM

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@native tangle chinese guy would be Taiku I assume?

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Orange name?

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 3:20 PM

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i don't know. all i see is chinese letters

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yea him

cerulean sequoia Sep 30, 2016, 3:21 PM

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That's St. Taiku .... or in his current name... "I want to die" because edgy

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 3:21 PM

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lol

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you know how to read chinese? wow...

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 3:28 PM

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no he never stops telling us

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and that's japanese kanji and hiragana

feral dirge Sep 30, 2016, 3:50 PM

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😉

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:07 PM

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@native tangle the message that prompted up for plugin not being there, didn't it ask if you want to remove it?

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I think it should

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if you answer no, then it of course couldn't load the project

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or if it was "do you want to keep this plugin" then the opposite, but pretty sure it should have prompted about the missing plugin like that

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:09 PM

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i removed the plugin but it kept crashing when id click no.

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its fixed now

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:09 PM

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yeah since you literally told the ue4 not to remove the ref

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you should have clicked yes and you wouldn't have needed to manually edit anything 😃

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it would have done the same

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just saying that just in case you have something similar in the future

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:10 PM

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it crashed when id click yes.

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thats why i clicked no.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:10 PM

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you said it crashed when you clicked no

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it crashed on both options?

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that's weird

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:11 PM

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it crashed 15 times till i did as he told me to edit the uproject

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 4:11 PM

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Click yes or no to crash? yes/no

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:11 PM

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both

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 4:11 PM

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Thank you, crashing.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:11 PM

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yeah, that is odd

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basically the other option should have disabled the plugin properly

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I get those all the time if I've had some plugins installed to ue4 and removed them

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I personally dislike ue4 way of enabling installed engine plugins on every project

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:12 PM

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same

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:12 PM

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it pollutes all projects with stuff they don't even use

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if I happen to open them which installed plugins available

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I had truesky installed for a while, now every project I've opened have references to it

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:13 PM

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i think that is why you can set it to true or fulse in the project file

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:13 PM

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truesky is even worse than other plugins

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as it adds content to your projects

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you can't set it to false before you open the project though

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:14 PM

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yea i don't like truesky. i use the default sky bp

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:14 PM

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if it doesn't exist in uproject file, it puts it in it on first launch

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well, first launch after plugin has been installed

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basically now if you don't want that to happen, you'd need to use it on one project to get the uproject text

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then change it to false, go copy/paste the lines into each projects uprojects manually

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that's just silly

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and really bad design IMO

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I get why it is like that

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it so people who are new to the engine don't go flooding answerhub "I enabled plugin, it's broken"

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:16 PM

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yea. they should make it ask you if you want to enable the plugins on project first load maybe?

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:16 PM

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yeah, that would be good compromize

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should put that into forum feedback

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:17 PM

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i'll make a post about it later. I'm busy setting up my trip to ohio lol

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just got a plane ticket to go back to visit

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:51 PM

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I submitted a post about it @cursive dirge hope they add support to disable plugins PER project via a popup on creation/first load etc

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:51 PM

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have you link?

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:51 PM

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124514-disable-plugin-per-project-popup&p=602485#post602485

Me and someone on discord was talking about plugins and we came up with an idea.

when you install a plugin to the engine it adds it to EVERY project even if your project don't need it
this is adding more than needed code to a project that is not using it.

We was thinking that maybe if every time you create a new project/open it for the first time etc
that unreal engine should show a list of installed plugins and give you the option to disable
said plugins per project. that way if your

kindred viper Sep 30, 2016, 4:55 PM

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yeah that would be nice. No reason not to. It would be better if it pointed out the plugins that are not being utilised though. I guess that is dependent on the plugin though, being an engine plugin.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:55 PM

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If we get enough replies on the suggestion maybe they will add it 😄

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tell us your thoughts @kindred viper ❤ hehe

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:56 PM

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yeah

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 4:56 PM

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yes mark you are right.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 4:56 PM

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it wouldn't even need to be a list tbh

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just bunch of pop ups for items that your project doesn't use yet

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I'll reply to the post

kindred viper Sep 30, 2016, 4:58 PM

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Its a tough one to decipher though. I mean what if the engine plugin is a full lighting plugin. You would have no real control over that. Something like a modification to the save system or totally independent code that needs to be explicitly activated would work though.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:02 PM

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answered

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:02 PM

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I agree with you @kindred viper Me myself have 2 plugins and they are substance and that skookum one.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:02 PM

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/ replied

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@kindred viper I have bigger issues with plugins like TrueSky

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:03 PM

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y4?

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:03 PM

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which actually add more content into each project once you open them

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:03 PM

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^^

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:03 PM

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there's truesky folder sitting now on each of me projects content folder

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:04 PM

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why isn't in the engine?

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:04 PM

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don't ask me 😄

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I didn't design the thing

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:04 PM

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because truesky was made for unity and they ported it to unreal.

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:04 PM

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no, but you're supposed to be installing it to the base engine folder.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:04 PM

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i had it when i used unity. i hated it lol

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:04 PM

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@urban salmon I've just used their binary installer

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it's engine plugin

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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the truesky unity version is garbage.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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I don't think you understood the issue here

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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ikr

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lol

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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right, it's the engine plugin being installed to the base engine dir?

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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that and content folders

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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we don't install anything from truesky into projects ourself

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but if truesky plugin is installed

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it pollutes each project we open with same engine folder

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:05 PM

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well the DeployToContent folder is expected to be copied into a project content folder.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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plugin literally copies bunch of files into each projects content folder

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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manually.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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and to disable the plugin, you need to open the project first

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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yes but to be able to disable plugins per project would help

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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so it pollutes it before you get to even disable it

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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^^

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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you can disable the plugin by opening your uproject file in a text editor.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:06 PM

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sure

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if you know the description

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but that's tedious as hell

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and bad design

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@urban salmon https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?124514-disable-plugin-per-project-popup

Me and someone on discord was talking about plugins and we came up with an idea.

when you install a plugin to the engine it adds it to EVERY project even if your project don't need it
this is adding more than needed code to a project that is not using it.

We was thinking that maybe if every time you create a new project/open it for the first time etc
that unreal engine should show a list of installed plugins and give you the option to disable
said plugins per project. that way if your

urban salmon Sep 30, 2016, 5:07 PM

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ah, sorry, I misread the thread.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:07 PM

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what about noobs to the engine like me... i threw away 2 projects because issues like this that i didn't know to edit the projectfile.

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:08 PM

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well, you can't foolproof everything from noobs ;D

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I mean, if it didn't enable plugins by default

kindred viper Sep 30, 2016, 5:08 PM

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yes you can. Look at the US Elections

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:09 PM

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then people would be confused why the plugins didn't work

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:09 PM

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now im sad. if i knew i could edit the project file like that i would still have all the code i did with an inventory system. but when i updated substance didn't and i got mad so i deleted the project to start over

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:09 PM

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yeah, you need to know that stuff

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sometimes you'll be in situation where some plugin just crashes the editor on load

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you need to know where to disable them manually

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been there

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:10 PM

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yes like i found out today with the plugin i had lol

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:11 PM

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btw

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since you used unity in past

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did you used to use unity irc channels?

kindred viper Sep 30, 2016, 5:11 PM

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We have a good dozen or so plugins in our project that are just sitting there doing nothing. I keep meaning to go through them all with the boss and tidy up a bit because when we migrated to 4.13 I had to update all those plugins too. It was a ballache for sure.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:11 PM

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i lost 2 weeks of making an inventory system/tems/drops/npcs with ai. all because it crashed because i didn't know you can disable them in the projectfile. im sad i lost all that work /cry

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so Personally i think it would be amazing to be able to do this so new people know. I started out adding every engine plugin there was when i first downloaded unreal. if i knew this i could have saved myself from the head ache of deleting projects lol

kindred viper Sep 30, 2016, 5:16 PM

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I would like to see a more base option for the engine in general. By default it comes with some bloat that you can immediately get rid of.

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they dont get packaged or anything so it's not a critical requirement but still... I have always disliked bloat in code.

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:17 PM

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same. this is not winblows bloatware is dead lol

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:27 PM

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@native tangle @foggy valley this I meant by trackball rotation earlier: https://youtu.be/c-OYY6Pk0NI?t=52

YouTube

Warren Marshall

Quick Tip #17 : MODO Tips And Tricks Vol. 1

▶ Play video

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@native tangle oh right, I should have linked Warrens youtube too earlier, really great stuff there for both Modo and UE4

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:28 PM

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yea i have not had time to do anything. was setting up a trip back to ohio. but now im back to working. im watching now THANKYOU ❤

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ooo that has the trackball setting. now i see what you mean. that mode really is bad @cursive dirge thankyou ❤

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:37 PM

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yeah

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I really can't believe they still default it on

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I only know one person that likes it

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everyone else finds it annoying

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other thing that annoyed me hugely at first was the "flick" thing

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like when you spin object, it keeps spinning

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I dunno if it's related to trackball thing, for some reason I haven't had issues with it anymore

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pretty sure some of the intro tutorials described it though

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:40 PM

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yea mine went nuts and spun for 3 mins haha

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i want to get rid of the white workplane. i don't like that. i just need a floor only

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:43 PM

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you can hide it

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but it can be super handy still

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when you need to model things in angles

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that vid I linked actually showed how to use it

foggy valley Sep 30, 2016, 5:43 PM

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@cursive dirge aha!

native tangle Sep 30, 2016, 5:43 PM

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yea but I don't

cursive dirge Sep 30, 2016, 5:43 PM

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(the one with trackball thing)

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yeah