Wouldn't be hard to do that for marketplace if you can scrape it
#fab
split iron
raven ferry
You can google it and check the cached page
merry field
Honestly, it should be fairly easy to detect. Anyone who does it should just be banned from the Marketplace entirely
modern perch
no need to ban, just prevent people from changing the price and immediately participating in a sale
it would be trivial to do in the back end
unreal eagle
Yup I caught quite a few people doing this today. One of them i had planned to buy during the sale and he readjusated the price. Has epic asked that we report these people for the thirst ?if so where ?
sinful rover
I mean I suppose you could just contact the marketplace support, it would be interesting to see what their response would be
hasty nexus
Or don't buy from such sellers. If they do this kind of stuff i can't imagine one would like to work with them.
quaint cedar
For that you need to know about it first
I have no clue what stuff costs before the sale.
But yeah, that's shit. Epic should def do something about it.
hasty nexus
i don't think there`s anything they can do. same happens with physical stores during so called Black Friday. Nothing happens.
hasty nexus
@quaint cedar people should be allowed to name shame here the sellers that are doing that
are they?
quaint cedar
Hm, I think it's fair to point it out, so people aren't tricked.
But I also think it's up to Epic to do something about it
modern perch
Physical stores in the US are bounds by US laws. Online stores are bound by the laws of every country they sell in.
Epic should prevent this kind of thing from happening, through their own back end
I'm pretty disappointed in Epic tbh - it's like they didn't learn anything from when they automatically put everyone's games on sale on EGS and inadvertently ended up causing a few of them to be breaking sales laws (which ended up with some games being pulled from the store)
Steam as an example has restrictions built into it, to prevent games being discounted when they shouldn't be;
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/discounts
viral crow
Hey guys, found this:
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/relaxation-and-meditation-music
For some reason, the YouTube preview of the pack is being flagged on YouTube as containing copyrighted music. My first instinct is that I should worry about this as a buyer, anyone ever seen this happen?
Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK3vdlL2KEc&feature=youtu.be
I skipped through it but can't pinpoint what triggered it.
delicate dove
https://i.gyazo.com/f2c8b2ecaa54b28b5ee4a6f532cfdfce.png
oh wow, one person got it right before the sale started. that sucks
emails mp-team to give that person a partial refund
?
hehe
well, more for me in that case :p
merry field
No, then he mails back to ask why it isn't using Niagara
delicate dove
i cri everitim
lunar gulch
are you allowed to publish a new product that is based on an old one but with many additions and features?
as long as they both belong to you
delicate dove
ive done so
if its the same mesh with just a different material I'm personally not fond of it, but if you have like a lite and pro version of a pack that could make sense. or, merge older packs together to form a new all-in-one pack... should be fine :)
delicate dove
you can for your own products, or if you have written permission from an author
at least, unless that changed
velvet charm
Curious but is there any plugin to keep assets outside of a project but quickly load in? sort of like a content browser. Just looking into a better way to store assets for multiple projects
velvet charm
@fickle basin thanks a ton man
queen temple
Just a word of caution with the current sale that's going on... Source control source control source control.... I'm not going to name any names but I installed a package that I bought yesterday that was on sale and the creator set up his folder structure in a way that it was over writing project settings and various other important aspects of my own game on install.... As well as the precompiled shaders... If I didn't have source control set up... I would have lost at least two weeks worth of work.... And even with source control it took me an hour to get it back to where I was before I installed it.... All these sales are very exciting, but remember to always have a backup before installing anything... That was just a PSA.
velvet charm
Good advice
raven ferry
not to blame the victim and I am happy that you didn't lose anything, but you could create a blank project just to add stuff and migrate.
velvet charm
One last thing but are there any plugins or work around for the sequence exporter? I know it can't be as user friendly as full on renderering software but it feels extremely clunky. No batch renderers.
delicate dove
@queen temple hope you contacted the seller/mp team about that, as the team tries to avoid such problems
queen temple
Ill do so tonight...it was a devastating experience
@raven ferry you wouldn't even notice if it was created in a blank project which is probably why the marketplace team allowed it
Cause ou would only catch this sort of thing if you're heavily in development
raven ferry
I know because it happened to me before. so many years ago ๐ข
queen temple
And seriously it's not even marketplace fault... Like I said if it was added to a brand new project you wouldn't even be able to tell what it was over writing
But it wrecked my game mode, project settings, compiled c++, plugin settings, basically everything that was in config and game set up
It was rough
Source control saved me
raven ferry
you mean .ini files right?
queen temple
I lost maybe 1 hour of work
raven ferry
some assets still do this kind of stuff
queen temple
An no. I mean the entire config folder was one of the things
raven ferry
images .ini .uproject
queen temple
He didnt have it in a folder in install...had everything one directory up...which over wrote everything in the folder above content
raven ferry
damn ๐ฐ
queen temple
Thank god i didnt have any of the third person default content in use cause it over wrote that too...
That's why I'm giving a PSA cause it was devastating
Imagine some of these newer people that don't know how to recover from this sort of thing
Suddenly losing maybe months of work
Yup same concept...guy probably has it one directory up as a data folder install instead of content/mystuff
It would be nice if there was a button when you're about to install like "folder structure and content" that you could see the way they set up the folder structure and what you're about to install before you install it to your project
I would have caught that almost instantly
raven ferry
they can put any folder/file in and out of any root folder
graceful arrow
Well... holy shits. Got the Mutant Zombie pack from Game-Ready Characters ยฃ11.79. Then I noticed their bundled pack was also 70% off, only twice the price. I emailed them to see if they'd be cool about okaying a refund as I was going to get the bundle... Today I checked the marketplace to see they had increased the price from ~~ยฃ22 to ยฃ137. ~~
Edit for clarification. Sale price was ยฃ22.15 vs ยฃ41.30
Sorry, but that is just a dick move. Totally out of order.
Yesterdays screenshot.
and today's
@onyx flower This is the kind of thing we can do without in the Marketplace.
delicate dove
yea, that seems like a no-no
hasty nexus
that dirt should be removed from MP
merry field
Pretty sure that's against all the Marketplace rules, wonder how it passed inspection?
delicate dove
we can change the base price whenever, so someone is changing them during the sale
delicate dove
ah yea
merry field
Actually, no, I'm wrong
You are supposed to include a config folder in your project because it has to also be a working standalone project
queen temple
In a structure like content/mystuff...not as a overwrite of a persons project
merry field
I kind of assumed the launcher would filter those out
This is from the official Marketplace guidelines
queen temple
Right..we were talking about users doing everything an entire structure up
Slapping everything in your main data folder instead of my project/mystuff
Basically /data/config...instead of data/my project/config
merry field
I think I'm missing something, because that's exactly how they tell you to do it
queen temple
...read carefully
merry field
queen temple
Data/config...
And data/myproject/config....
Data/config belongs to the project you install to
Not your install
delicate dove
https://twitter.com/UnrealAlexander/status/1265301663604183045 related to price-increase during sale
merry field
Screenshot above is what a pack looks like following the Marketplace guidelines
All the project files are in the zip root
harsh coral
I've tried to make a fuss about bumped prices during/pre sale about 2 years ago, unsucesfully.. glad it's finally being addressed
queen temple
Its tough to explain...the users we were talking about had it set up in a way that it overwrites the projects theyre installing to essential files... ๐
merry field
I understood that but I'm trying to wrap my ahead around how you could do that ๐
queen temple
By including all the folders one structure up
graceful arrow
@delicate dove I replied to your tweet ๐
queen temple
Not just content
merry field
Things like Source and so on?
queen temple
Yup
merry field
Because one of the things which is one folder is up "config", and you're supposed to include that
That's why I was confused
queen temple
It literally is like dropping a bomb on someone elses work
merry field
Official guides are 1x project file, 1x config folder, 1x content folder
Though the rules are actually a bit vague, they just say you can't have anything under Content except for your project folder
And code plugins can obviously have even more things
queen temple
Maybe they named their install zip data instead of thier project name
But if that was the case then you would think the marketplace would catch that immediately
merry field
Seems like it might be some kind of a bug with the launcher in that case
Just playing around with it a bit and it simply ignores the "config" folder when adding to a project
BUT it does include any other random files that might be in there
delicate dove
yea, the mp-team will want to hear about that too for sure.
merry field
You're meant to keep Epic sales secret
But I don't think there's anything saying you can't announce that you're going to have a sale on your product?
(Though you certainly shouldn't be allowed to say you're having a fake sale where you increase the price first)
queen temple
๐ well whatever it is, it exist...the psa was about the importance of source control...i dont sell on mp so i have no clue about the inner workings of how its done
merry field
Source control is always good for sure
But you should definitely email the Marketplace team about that issue
delicate dove
@graceful arrow @ebon leaf could you dm me the names of the authors (and the packages in question) that increased prices during the sale?
graceful arrow
read up, I've not been shy.
hasty nexus
yeah, that`s one. but the other one?
graceful arrow
Probably the same guy judging by the prices
In the UK the seller I referenced has broke the law.
** the previous price should have been the most recent price available for 28 consecutive days or more **
with previous price meaning the products full price.
hasty nexus
imagine putting items in the cart for several days and prices changes during that period. when you hit pay, you'll pay more than you agreed on when you added the items to the cart.
this could've happend to you @graceful arrow if you weren't on top of it.
graceful arrow
Indeed, although I always double check.
hasty nexus
yeah, but what if you have 50 items in your cart, it's getting difficult
graceful arrow
Although, it's not officially a transaction until you hit pay.
hasty nexus
no, but when you add the items to your cart you add them at a certain price. when you hit pay and have multiple items, you lost track
if they changed price during that time, you're a victim ๐
graceful arrow
edit- all this was a mistake by Epic and has been resolved
ah
Brushify asked for the change, as it was a mistake by Epic.
As the % varies throughout the market.
dire hawk
wait, what?
sale prices are changing mid-sale?
I'm not a fan of that at all
I don't know how I'd notice, to be honest
I'm definitely not going around tracking prices and price changes
tawdry vapor
Hey I have a question about the marketplace. How advanced does something have to be (Bp or C++ wise) to be able to put it on the marketplace? Or is there no such thing?
delicate dove
graceful arrow
How many minutes did the guy miss out on the sale? ๐
delicate dove
not sure, but cant be more than a few hours tops
plucky helm
Not sure if this is the right channel, marketplace related. Anyone else find getting marketplace systems kind of useless for quick use? Some of the things i got require you to create a project and others are integrated into more than one place that to copy it out into your existing project is a nightmare. Am i wrong or does it seem to be that music, asset, effect type packs are the only really useful marketplace items?
hasty nexus
don't buy them if you think they're useless. no one's forcing you
plucky helm
you dont really know till you do
hasty nexus
some of them are good, some are bad... i believe they're good learning material
plucky helm
So if you buy a "system" you should expect to use it to learn really? Im just curious if im looking at this wrong. For example you can make something as a component like say an inventory system back end and then it can be attached to anything really or you can have all the logic sprawled through multiple graphs which to me is rough to deal with. Is there an easier way to deal with the marketplace systems that arent compartmentalized very well? or am i correct in the fact they are just going to be really hard to them put into your existing project?
silent mesa
I use marketplace for game ready assets since I am not a modeller etc, I just love making cinematics in unreal engine. It just gives me the convenience and to opportunity to learn blueprints etc, how the pros setup their materials etc.
Btw, I love the lighting tutorials on the online learning site. There are a lot of archiviz type furnitures, walls, windows, doors etc that I can use personally (not commercially).
good stuff from the resource sections of the several UE tutorials
hasty nexus
i don't really buy any systems @plucky helm. I'm a dev myself, but that's what i can see it as. Either you learn from them, or you integrate them. No system would work with your project 100% percent without doing changes to it.
plucky helm
@hasty nexus Ive always made my own systems and avoided marketplace systems because of the difficulties ive had but some people are slamming games together fast with marketplace systems, so i thought maybe i was doing it wrong
crude quartz
Anyone know some "must have" plugins for unreal engine?
Using Blueprints (But I'm able to write c++ or c++ blueprints / interfaces for c++ plugins so they get exposed for blueprints)
Working on a low poly-ish stylish first person game
sinful rover
@graceful arrow those pictures you posted, one of them is a single asset the other is a collection
theyre different products
oh actually i see the collection in there too
graceful arrow
You shouldn't bother about the red rings, that's unrelated. The prices I stated are correct @sinful rover
๐
sinful rover
did @onyx flower respond to all this price hiking stuff yet
i know people pinged him yesterday ๐
graceful arrow
the marketplace team have been notified
graceful arrow
There may not be much they can do. It's potentially a legal nightmare though as Epic has to comply with numerous countries laws, or maybe they don't. No idea.
real dust
They do have to, and I'm sure it's a pain
So their current solution is to just not comply ๐
graceful arrow
Figures.
real dust
The current situation with people changing their prices so that their sales appear more impressive is massively illegal
Even if it isn't in the US, Epic has to comply with the laws of any country it sells in as digital storefront
graceful arrow
I refer you to the chap above who said.. :
So their current solution is to just not comply ๐
๐
real dust
Oh yeah that was me, I was just elaborating
graceful arrow
Yeah, I got that ๐ ๐
delicate dove
graceful arrow
To that I say... eh?
modern perch
yeah, the response is a bit funny
it still falls foul of the law in certain countries, whether they 'feel' it's intentional abuse or not
you could get away with that argument in the UK (potentially, you can still be challenged), but in France that just doesn't fly
merry field
So the guy decreased the base price of his product instead of putting it on sale, the first time?
modern perch
seems like it, then when the sale came along he put it right up again
sinful rover
or just leaving the price as is and not putting it on sale 
still if the product was a lower price all that time, and he's now claiming its on sale
despite it being a higher price
thats extremely deceitful
and should simply not be possible
this article i was reading lists this exact scenario:
graceful arrow
Well, we'll see what response I get to my reply to that email.
sinful rover
it shouldnt be acceptable whether it was done intentionally or not
unreal eagle
Yup . i got proof of another Guy who did the same thing and used the same excuse as what @delicate dove posted. He had it for sale for 400 , then it went on sale for 200 before the sale started. Once the sell started and the seller realized epic had added another 50% making the product now 99.99 , he went ahead and up the price back to the original 400 , making it 200 again with the epic sale. So yeah , these dudes fishy. Wont be buying from anyone who gets caught up in this now or ever.
graceful arrow
That article @sinful rover isn't correct as far as I'm aware. At least the company directors of my last job were under the impression the 28 day rule still applied. They were rather particular about ensuring all advertised prices were accurate and complied with the letter of the law.
unreal eagle
I actually ccalled him on it in the discord and this was his reply " it stated on the product page that 50 off, but 50 off on what? on its original price 400... so when there is "no official discount sale from epic happening", I directly apply that on the price! when the epic official discount sale begin, I switch to use the official sale.... There is no cheating here, no matter the official or the unofficial sale time, it is always 50 off its original price."
sinful rover
well i think thats what this article is refering to, scenarios where the new regulations 'dissapoint'
graceful arrow
@unreal eagle that's... words fail me.
I wonder if Epic simply don't care, as if the price goes up they are still making a higher profit that if it had remained the same.
unreal eagle
The seller is MasterHiPoly and the product is Next Gen Modular City V2 50
yup and thats my problem. They are making MORE money by doing this and its at both epics and our expense
sinful rover
oh that product
reminds me of that outrageously priced interactive water product that they removed all the comments from
unreal eagle
Yeah i wont be buying it now. Ill just stick to doing them one by one. Couldnt cutomize those the way i needed anyway. So thanks for being greedy and saving me more money !
sinful rover
sheet he actually said it
north stirrup
Sellers: do you usually see an increased number of sales during marketplace sales, even if your products are still full price?
north stirrup
Well idk ๐
I did have a small spike in sales on the 25
I guess I'll see if the trend continues during the sale, or if it was just a one off
sinful rover
shame you're not participating, that thing is definitely on my wishlist ๐
north stirrup
Hehe
silent mesa
may i know your product @north stirrup hehe
north stirrup
safe stump
is there a wishlist function? I would assume it would be a hassle to use the shopping cart as a wishlist, especially if it times out and resets after some time. Does anyone know if the cart resets?
Even if I could use the cart as a wishlist I would need to empty it to actually buy something lol
Is there a plugin to organize my vault?
real dust
Pretty sure there isn't a wishlist
There is not
It's all very barebones ๐
As with EGS
safe stump
They're losing millions because of this blunder.
merry field
I don't think people are spending millions on the Marketplace. For Epic to be losing millions at 12% they'd have to be losing 17 million of sales at minimum
I just keep interesting things in tabs in a separate tab group
Not a huge deal IMO
viral crow
@safe stump @real dust http://www.unrealsales.io ๐
ebon leaf
I need some help about the marketplace....
Say if someone brought an asset from the marketplace, and asked me to build a level for them with the asset, how could they legally give it to me so I can build them a level?
Do i have to buy that asset aswell, and if so how do I send it back to them?
eager kestrel
@ebon leaf you should be fine. Imagine if a game company hired someone and then told them they need to purchase all the assets the company purchased. If you do plan to use the asset for your own projects, then go ahead and buy it.
ebon leaf
So how would I do it. (I dont plan to use the asset myself)
Should they just send me the files to the asset?
@eager kestrel
real dust
In this case, yes, they probably should
ebon leaf
@real dust Should send the files?
real dust
Yeah
ebon leaf
@real dust And then when I am done, I should just send them the whole project files?
real dust
For instance
modern perch
they would normally give you access to the project files via version control
ebon leaf
@modern perch Upload the project files to dropbox....
modern perch
dropbox will kinda work, but version control is a lot more sensible
ebon leaf
Is version control free?
modern perch
usually, but the server to run it on usually is not
but using version control will avoid all kinds of issues with data changes, etc
real dust
Yeah I'm assuming that there isn't any VC Vanilla ๐
Because if there was he'd have been told to use it by the client
modern perch
the client should really do something about that ๐
just asking for trouble by not using it and relying on people to manually copy/paste files around
safe stump
@viral crow Do you know if it has any issues with forgetting wishlist items or losing track of them, or can't track some categories, or can it track games too?
spring swallow
Look at these questions! https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/rpg-user-interface-kit/questions
Its quite silly.
viral crow
I don't think I've had issues yet @safe stump
graceful arrow
Those questions are a bit silly. If he had used identical icons then maybe they might have a point but using SkyUI for inspiration isn't wrong.
spring swallow
@graceful arrow Thanks for your opinion. I'm the author actually. What makes them silly for me is that if Epic thought I was breaking the law they would have rejected it at the submission stage anyway but these guys don't realise this.
ebon leaf
@spring swallow Bit of a Karen...
spring swallow
@ebon leaf lol indeed
ebon leaf
@spring swallow Did the person who posed the 'Question'/ statement make SkyUI?
spring swallow
@ebon leaf I haven't asked but I think I will.
ebon leaf
@spring swallow Because if not, then that is really odd...
graceful arrow
Ha. How do you know that? eh? ๐
sinful rover
you made the rpg-user-interface @spring swallow ?
@fickle basin they obviously forgot to include:
if (Stolen) { Application.Decline() };
limber yacht
if you cant use the same lay-out as other games/kits then 90% of all software can go in the trashcan
as long as the art itself is "unique" and self made should be fine
sinful rover
yeah but you cant reuse their assets tho
limber yacht
yeah but the author said all art is made by him
he's just using the same layout it seems
sinful rover
myeah thats hardly anything to get upset about i suppose
this already happens on a meta-level on the marketplace, which sellers copying other unreal market place assets lol
notably the synty content has a bunch of people copying them
limber yacht
hehe yeah, low ball the price, add a bit of extra bling and see if you're lucky
sinful rover
even in presentation
limber yacht
but ofc that will happen, i mean presentation/look/feel it's how the world works..not many people re-invent the wheel hehe
also logical tbh, otherwise you wouldnt be able to make antyhing..rush and get as much stuff out and cry wolf when any1 dares to approach your style
as long as the art is unique it should be fine imo
merry field
The slogan on there is probably going too far
sinful rover
yeah for sure, was just kidding but its nothing liek that haha
even if it was, for the purposes of demonstration it would probably be fine as long you could change something like that
didnt pubg have to take their fake redbull out tho
ebon leaf
@spring swallow 'Well, I guess we are asking them to reassess, then. At the point your mod was submitted, I am sure they rubber stamped everything. It means nothing.'
Oh god...
ebon leaf
@spring swallow The creator of SkyUI username is 'schlangster' not Dark-Dominion or Zanderat. They could have changed their name for UE and Nexus, but it seems unlikely...
@spring swallow They said 'Don't worry, we'll be back.' I called it.. I did... KAREN!
plucky karma
Hi, does anyone know where i could get statues for free, I've looked everywhere on the unreal marketplace but to no luck
for example:
plucky karma
Hmm there are some Roman statues on quixel but none are like warriors
I was thinking if it's absolutely impossible I might have to create my own but I have no clue how to do that either
merry field
At the end of the day, it's a lot of work making art so most artists aren't willing to give their work away for free
ebon leaf
@plucky karma Is something like this okay? if so Quixel is 100% your best bet, for free
sturdy granite
@delicate dove @unreal eagle Sorry about my late reply regarding this, I just saw your posts. Vlad banned me from his discord a week ago or so for calling him out on where he violated the marketplace guidelines and the sellers agreement then talking about how he can do whatever he wants with a UT fork. I sent a ticket to the mp team about UWorks regarding his behavior to customers, his lack of support for the product, and violating the marketplace agreement/guidelines in a few places.
plucky karma
@plucky karma Is something like this okay? if so Quixel is 100% your best bet, for free
@ebon leaf yeah I saw that one, honestly might just go for it even if it's missing a head and a weapon lmao
But if it's not too hard to make a simple model myself I might try to learn how
ebon leaf
@plucky karma they have heads separately, which you could probably just attach on to the body in UE.
plucky karma
Oh true didn't think of that, thank you!
candid rivet
@plucky karma check the Infinity Blade assets in the free category. a bit lower quality, might be able to find decent placeholder at least.
or find a free rigged character, pose him and bake out a static mesh
rapid ocean
any idea why there is no option to sort by popularity on the marketplace? i think it's always kinda hard to find something that looks good
candid rivet
epic hates ux
lean venture
@sturdy granite You went on a witch hunt on me with false accusations. You had around 10 points or more, which I proved wrong completely, by quoting the EULA, except for one: I had not provided a valid e-mail address. I have now provided an e-mail address, which I "actively monitor", according to the EULA, where I will never reply to anyone, simply because it's in my right to do so. No seller has even been obligated to provide support or updates, which is very clear in the EULA.
I specifically banned you for creating drama, by presenting yourself as a victim and spreading misinformation, just like you're doing here now. Except, on my server, after you created drama, you continued to be disrespectful and I'm not allowing that anymore. You're free to complain to Epic about me. Luos may be a moderator, but he has nothing to do with my marketplace stuff.
And yea, with a UT fork, you can do whatever you want. Read the license. Besides, that's my problem, not yours, is it?
wooden falcon
candid rivet
I know what you mean, i end up wasting so much time working through sales, i could be saved hours every sale if epic would put a week of work into the ux
plucky karma
check the Infinity Blade assets in the free category. a bit lower quality, might be able to find decent placeholder at least.
@candid rivet hmm i checked these but its not supported for UE 4.25
dull rampart
Hello there!! Is everyone having a good load time in the marketplace?
I'm strugling with page loading, taking 10 sec. to load 1 image of 3MB
*having a 300mbps internet connection
eager kestrel
@dull rampart using a browser or the launcher? I'm all good on both fronts. If it is your launcher, possibly it is doing other things as well (downloading updates or something).
dull rampart
first it was the launcher, so trying to discard any problem with the launcher went directly to the webpage and still the same issue
most of the time its freezes my launcher, and trying to zoom a marketplace image freezes about 10/15 seconds the launcher..
in the webpage most of the times the large images are not loaded
eager kestrel
I get that same freezing issue on images. Usually need to minimize the launcher to get it to work.
dull rampart
yeah, seems the webkit inside the launcher goes unresponsive when DOM and images isn't fully loaded
I've around 280 items in my marketplace library and each time I want to see details of any of them its and horrible experience
sturdy granite
@lean venture Your response is exactly why I submitted a ticket to the marketplace team. This isn't about me it's about you, I am not a victim because I don't need your plugin but there are others who depend on it and don't have the skill to fix it or to know whether or not they are being ripped off.
Marketplace Guidelines 3.1.a:
3.1.a Publishers must ensure all their published products function as advertised, as well as assist customers who report issues using their products in Supported Engine Versions on Supported Platforms.
You are literally admitting to willfully breaking section 3.1, I called you out on it because the plugin did not function as advertised for over a year and you banned people for fixing the plugin and posting the solution (not the entire plugin) while you kept claiming you were updating it.
The only difference now is you are admitting it where the UE4 community staff (@onyx flower, @shadow inlet ) can see and confirm to the marketplace investigators that you are intentionally breaking the agreements and the law (see my message where I said you were breaking the UT license if you didn't delete it).
lean venture
No, you're just barfing information that you interpret as correct once again. I haven't had a bug report in my plugin in 2 years or so. That's what issue means.
"I bought product X and now I'm screwed because the developer doesn't update it." Does not mean X is broken. It means the customer is inept, whoever that is.
The people you're tagging will surely prove your crusade right.
dull rampart
to be objective, which content are we talking? and which "bug" is bothering?
lets try to keep the channel fun and not dramatic, drama ruin stuff
lean venture
It's a plugin called UWorks. People have posted the full source code (not partial fixed) and "demanded" updates and also a plugin that has copied 70% of it is now being resold on the Marketplace (see my screenshot from a few days ago).
merry field
I feel like this channel can be used a kind of watchlist for marketplace developers you should avoid dealing with
agile shadow
@merry field Completely agree. I will never buy anything from @lean venture just because every time he posts here, it's to argue or belittle people
not everyone is meant for public facing work I guess
lean venture
I've had a handful of customers with zero skills and ability to read targetting me for ages now. I have people complaining about me changing prices from 160 to 5 USD, as if that's a violation of the EULA.
Yea, definitely let me know you won't buy me from me.
hoary ferry
I was looking at UWorks earlier, and as someone who has been breaking his head over how to implement steam in C++ for the last few weeks, it seems like a pretty solid plugin. What is the problem again? xD
dull rampart
I agree with @merry field, but from what I read in the marketplace page about this, I get the price went down probably because Epic now offer this in their Online Services..
lean venture
There's no technical problem. You can buy it and you'll have all the functions in BP. But I'm not obligated to offer you support just because you buy it. If you ask me something respectfully, I'll reply. But if you want me to spend hours holding your hand, I won't. And people don't understand that.
dull rampart
either way, 55 votes of 4/5.. looks solid, not always life its going to be pink.. what I CAN say is.. you posted a note saying the following "The presentation is outdated and not in line with the 4.24 and 4.25 versions. It will be updated soon.", so I think you should remove those versions from the Supported Engine Versions..
hoary ferry
ahh, gotcha. One of those issues.
lean venture
No. I lowered my price for a multitude of reasons, none being the now in-engine Steam support, which, as far as I know, doesn't even compete with my product.
It is supported in 4.24 and 4.25
dull rampart
oh, I missread
lean venture
Sellers don't set that kind of notes
I meant the pictures had fallen behind
Epic sets that kind of notes, with Supported Versions, based on whether the products have passed their checks or not. Mine have.
eager kestrel
"3.1.a Publishers must ensure all their published products function as advertised, as well as assist customers who report issues using their products in Supported Engine Versions on Supported Platforms."
ASSIST, not implement for them. If a consumer is incapable of even understanding the basics of UE4, it is not up to the marketplace developers to educate them.
Just wanted to point that out, hehe.
lean venture
Thank you for that emphasis!
eager kestrel
Lots of newbies are downloading UE4 and buying assets thinking they can instantly start making a game, but have no clue what they are doing. It happens in all aspects of life and sooner or later they will either learn or quit.
lean venture
I think most old marketplace sellers now have a plethora of "where are the logs" and "where is the Make-A-Game button" stories. I just stopped trying to make mine "go away" and let them be.
Unfortunately, there are also a lot of sellers who give in to this kind of pressure and effectively let the customers get the idea that they are entitled to everything and anything - sellers who are entering slavery willingly just for a good review or comment.
dull rampart
I see.. so, I dont see any problem then.. its like @eager kestrel said.. "assist customers who report issues using their products", if they reported issues, it might be related to skills or poor documentation, eitherway.. everyone is free to do or undo in their manner.. so, if people dont want to buy, fine.. and if they do, also fine..
I do understand those saying "I paid $250 and now its $5", but newsflash, people buy video cards at $600/$700 or even more.. and whe hype is over, they drop to $300.. so, it may happen sometimes..
when*
lean venture
The thing about that price drop though.... the old price was 160 USD base (+ VAT for which I am not responsible). Between the 160 price and the 5 USD price, there were almost 3 full months with no sales at all.
Now, imagine that particular customer was the last customer who paid 160.
He then used my product for 3 months and got pissed that I dropped the price.
For 160 USD, you got it then. Not now.
And that's literally the best case scenario
I have PMs from that customer from 2018. I doubt he bought it in February 2020.
And I mark their reviews as technically inaccurate or harassment, Epic removes them, because they are both, and yet "the developer is now removing reviews".
Almost nobody ever reviews what they bought for what it is.
The marketplace has become one of the most toxic environments I've seen.
dull rampart
its ok, no need to explain to me.. I'm nobody.. I just tried to calm down the heat to make this place more friendly..
hoary ferry
So much Drama over a plugin from 2017 0_o
eager kestrel
Now if every single customer is complaining, then maybe there is a problem on the developers part, but if most are having no issues, then obviously the asset works as intended.
lean venture
I was just saying, in general. I keep my involvement to a minimum in the UE community nowadays but since I got mentioned here and this came up, I thought some information needed to come out, as other sellers may find it useful somehown
eager kestrel
Speaking generally now, not just about @lean venture's asset.
lean venture
To be fair, Epic introducing that "review graph" was a really smart move. Now you can see if the reviews are at the extremes 1-5 or spread between somehow. When everyone rates something 5 stars except a handful few, that says quite a lot.
@eager kestrel Yea, I understand. I'd be ok if it was about my work as well, so long as it was technically accurate.
eager kestrel
Exactly. Most of the time those 1-star reviews are done in spite. I bought a product and it was broken when I received it and now you get 1-star even though you replaced it free of charge. lol.
lean venture
Yea. I have no idea what happened since 2017, but this marketplace has seriously degraded, despite all the new features.
dull rampart
I think I hate the markeplace in the launcher..
hoary ferry
We were thinking about putting a couple of our procedural systems of our still unannounced game on the Marketplace. But is it even worth it? I see nothing but bad things about the MP from both buyers and sellers :/
dull rampart
viewing 1 assets detail over 30 sec to load..
lean venture
There's even a full thread in the private Creators' Forum about customers holding ratings as "hostages" until the sellers give in to their demands.
eager kestrel
@dull rampart my images are working in my launcher now, no clue what changed, haha. Next time it loads up the problem will probably return.
dull rampart
after 30 secs, 3/4 images loaded..
eager kestrel
I tend to read the questions more than the reviews.
lean venture
@hoary ferry I've had 4 products almost ready (one of which I even submitted) for over a year now. Given how much the income has fallen and the amount of new and unreasonable customers I've seen, I haven't been able to find any desire to push any of them.
I would advise you to go ahead, but carefully!
eager kestrel
@hoary ferry did you say procedural? Let me buy them!!
lean venture
And it might be worth disabling your PMs first thing because you'd get assaulted otherwise, even if you had a public Discord server or something.
hoary ferry
Hmm that bad huh? I've been getting that vibe over the last few months aswell.
dull rampart
@hoary ferry not following @eager kestrel, let me leech them! HAHA
eager kestrel
Test the hell out them before releasing them and as long as you stupify the documentation and test it out on a few friends of differing intelligence and ue4 experience, all should go smooth (hopefully)
hoary ferry
Hey, we are all grabbing the epic free stuff xD
eager kestrel
Collecting monthly freebies, duh
I did spend roughly $750 when the sale hit though. Been watching those assets too long to pass on them.
hoary ferry
Yeahhhh, it was more meant as a "We as a studio worked on this for months and we'd like to give back to the community while making a little extra money. Let's strip our IP and throw it on the MP"
We arent feeling like spending lots of Dev Hours stupifying the system if those hours can be better spend on our game.
dull rampart
I live in a 3rd world country, can't afford that.. so I keep the freebies
candid rivet
buying marketplace assets is my sad addiction
eager kestrel
^
hoary ferry
S-same
dull rampart
to be honest, I still keep $20 from the $30 refund when Unreal was selled..
if that doesn't tell how picky am I to spend money.. lol
merry field
Just to give a different perspective on that
I'm only a very small seller
But I've had basically no trouble with buyers
dull rampart
@merry field I think it might be related to content complexity..
merry field
People just buy occasionally, maybe every couple of months someone will post a question or send me an email
Agree
I'd say integration complexity, especially
dull rampart
newbies (like myself, ofc) tend to understand only basics, so Blueprint/C++ plugins and stuff might be harderd
merry field
If it's a mostly stand-alone thing that you can configure easily through properties, people won't ask as many questions
eager kestrel
Yeah, ease of integration will produce less angry customers, hehe
dull rampart
few weeks ago, I bough the doors asset and It didnt fill my need
hoary ferry
Hehe, yeah ours would def fall under the "Complicated AF" section
dull rampart
I wanted to open the door from the side the player was so it doesnt hit your face..
eager kestrel
@merry field what are you selling on the marketplace? If you don't mind. Someone probably already asked too.
dull rampart
and went some debug and did exactly dad
lean venture
That luxury doesn't come with plugins, though. No matter their size or complexity, they'll require very minimal C++ knowledge to update on your own. That's where hell breaks loose.
merry field
@eager kestrel I have two things, but only one of them actually sells, a blueprint system for handling splinemeshes
dull rampart
@hoary ferry you need good documentation to avoid the "AF" part..
merry field
The other one, I failed with properly selling what it does, never got around to going back to improve the marketplace page
hoary ferry
Whats the name of the spline thingy? Bet it aint nameless right?
merry field
"NV Spline Tools"
dull rampart
I thinked once to make something usefull and make some earnings, but still too newbie to develop something meaning..
lol, its "Nameless Workshop"
merry field
Heh, yeah, I'll admit I just typed something into the "shop name" box without thinking too hard
hoary ferry
@merry field nice! the Random generator is actually more interesting to me xD
eager kestrel
@merry field I actually like that random generator too
I picked up a competitor for the spline meshes though
merry field
But yes, I had the same idea, I made the spline system for myself originally, then decided to clean it up and make it a product
Took me maybe a week of work to "productise" it
The random one is the one that I think undersold
It needs more screenshots and a video showing how to use it
hoary ferry
I was about to say. with some vid showing it off and how to use it, I might buy it xD
merry field
I've also been a bit worried that it's very "theoretical". I haven't heard from anyone actually using it if it's actually useful for specific purposes
dull rampart
today I tried to start making a "minecraft" sandbox, did the cube blueprint and suddenly my 1080 TI dropped from 120fps to 16fps when it was 2300 cubes in the viewport.. smart enough I did my diligent googling after debugging GPU and found out it was because the box had dynamic shadows.. fixed that, and then freezed because I reached a point noticing I need to make levels in a procedural manner and I dont know how, yet..
merry field
Probably want to use instanced static meshes for that
hoary ferry
We are working on a "game" based on TableTopRPGs, somethign were true randomness is king. but sometimes you want to give your GMs a bit more "Control". stuff like this would be very usefull for that ๐
merry field
It was mostly things like hit and crit chances that I had in mind when making it
eager kestrel
@merry field in the shufflebag numbers option of NV Random, can each number's chance be adjusted individually?
hoary ferry
@dull rampart Minecraft wasnt made by spawning boxes. If you wanna know how to make a "Minecraft like" game. Look at the free version of @north stirrup's voxel plugin.
DnD indeed ๐
dull rampart
@hoary ferry which plugin is that?
eager kestrel
@merry field the images show an equal amount of each number, but I'd assume I could manually add the numbers and then randomize it. Like put in 300 1s and 100 2s and 50 3s, etc.
hoary ferry
@dull rampart https://voxelplugin.com
dull rampart
btw, I have almost 6 projects created, none of them more than 10% done.. I have so many assets and still unable to think a "simplistic" game idea, lol
candid rivet
only 6 new projects...amateur
dull rampart
yeah, I tend to reuse them HAH
merry field
@eager kestrel No, you'd have to wrap that on top of the output yourself
hoary ferry
My SSD cries everytime I click that big oll Launch UE4 button xD
merry field
It has an even chance of each output
But you could e.g. put a range of 1-450 and then map the output
merry field
The weighting that it has is more for adjusting the weights based on occurrence
eager kestrel
Hit 450 and win the epic prize
merry field
So that e.g. each time you roll a '1', the chance of another '1' goes down
But that is for the adjusted-random algorithm, not for the shufflebag which works differently
dull rampart
@hoary ferry I moved the UE and Projects to my HDD, no even my 1TB SSD can handle my sickness
merry field
A good way to make the launcher cry is to have lots of versions of UE4 installed
And if you make things on the Marketplace, you need to have lots of versions of UE4 installed...
Because you need to keep whatever version your product was made in
dull rampart
I have only 4.25 and the one is crying is me.. I hate browsing assets is so bad
merry field
My splines were done in 4.20 so I need to keep that installed. I tried to use 4.16 for everything after that (including the random), so need to keep that.
eager kestrel
Couldn't you just remove support for a lower version if you wanted to?
dull rampart
@merry field see? the advantage of having no products, is I can use just 1 version xD hahha
merry field
I could, but it potentially reduces sales
eager kestrel
True
merry field
Because they are not backwards compatible
north stirrup
On the MP we're only allowed to have 3 versions right
merry field
That's only for plugins
north stirrup
Ah
merry field
For assets, you can have as many as you want
Generally a good idea to make it for the oldest version where it works
north stirrup
Well that makes sense
merry field
4.16 is a good version because it has most features in it but is ancient
north stirrup
I only support the latest 3 releases
dull rampart
@phy you made the voxel plugin?
eager kestrel
@north stirrup is there any differene in buying voxel pro on the marketplace or from your website?
north stirrup
I sure did rgenen
hoary ferry
Seems like its atleast 4. versions for plugins
north stirrup
You sure?
@eager kestrel Buying on gumroad is cheaper, but you'll have to build from source yourself
hoary ferry
I still have the UWorks tab open, and it lists 4 versions
merry field
I had problems with another product I was working on because I kept wanting to use new features because I needed editor widgets to customise it. Ended up with it needing 4.24, which seems like a lot of complaints waiting to happen
hoary ferry
north stirrup
Interesting
dull rampart
@north stirrup looks amazing, but having no project and no budget seems like too much money to add to my library, the bad side of not having USD income..
north stirrup
dw, free will be on the MP soon enough
hoary ferry
Man a long time ago I was gonna buy the voxel plugin pro version when it was a 150, but that project fell apart. I keep hitting myself on the head everytime I see the current price of it xD
north stirrup
lmao
eager kestrel
@dull rampart the free version is great too. I've been playing around with it for a while now.
north stirrup
hopefully not too great ๐ฌ
dull rampart
@north stirrup nice!!
hoary ferry
haha
eager kestrel
Pro is still worth it
dull rampart
@eager kestrel yeah, but I have that "itch" in my head seeing amazing features in the PRO version and seems the Free one not good enough..
eager kestrel
I was waiting for it to go on sale, but I will probably buy it regardless.
hoary ferry
Man I'd love to add it to our game, and give users the ability to sculpt their own map. But as far as I know, Multiplayer has some erm... limitations. atleast the last time I asked (Prob a year or so ago)
eager kestrel
Then might as well bite, haha.
hoary ferry
Oh? ๐
dull rampart
@north stirrup it would be Epic and Unreal if the Pro version be launched as June freebies.. if you know what I mean.. ๐
hoary ferry
Haha, I dont think even epics fortnite money could affort that xD
dull rampart
anyone from Unreal reading this? god damnit
eager kestrel
Voxel Graphs, Voxel Spawners, Voxel Physics, Importers. Gimme them all!
Buying it now, not gonna hold out for 5%, haha.
north stirrup
yay ๐
hoary ferry
But hey, that Multiplayer news is interesting, might give the free version a shot after our "Publisher hunting season" is over!
dull rampart
@north stirrup btw, whats the difference from "Basic" multiplayer to "TCP Socket" ? I mean, technically, I get the TCP may be more performant..
north stirrup
It's complicated ๐ฌ
dull rampart
@north stirrup see, I gave u a sale.. where is my reward? hahah
north stirrup
You have 2 main approaches to multiplayer: syncing the actions (eg, add sphere here), or syncing the voxels (add all these voxels, remove all these)
To sync the actions you just need to send a bunch of RPCs
that's available in Free, and works relatively well
eager kestrel
I think I'll grab voxel pro from the marketplace. Then I can leave a ton of nasty reviews ๐
north stirrup
To sync voxels, you can't use the unreal networking layer (it just dies under the load), so you need to use a custom socket
dull rampart
@north stirrup yeah, that was I was thinking about..
eager kestrel
Just to reference previous discussions, haha
dull rampart
the unreal networking seems like for small stuff
north stirrup
it can be for big stuff too
as long as it's small "actions"
like add huge sphere
dull rampart
yeah, got it..
north stirrup
the really tricky part is sending an initial save on join
dull rampart
going back to my game idea.. I feel overwhelm of thinking in anything..
hoary ferry
How is multiplayer performance atm @north stirrup?
We are working on a Map editor for our Game Masters, and we'd love to give them the ability to sculpt maps for their players. They would do this in the in-game map editor, but before all other players connect. During play sessions I dont think much of the map would change other than maybe some possible explosions (You know how much players like those)
Would this work with the Voxel Plugin? The Data might be big, but it would also be a one time download untill there are big map changes right?
dull rampart
I want to start small, and feel frustrated seeing I cant do something looking so simple..
north stirrup
tbh I haven't tried it in a while Blue
The Data might be big, but it would also be a one time download untill there are big map changes right
that's correct
hoary ferry
@dull rampart if you cant finish a game, finish a mechanic ๐
north stirrup
saves are also a lot smaller now than they used to be
But even sending something as small as 10MB through RPCs can take a while
dull rampart
i think that for that stuff, TCP sockets is better..
north stirrup
Ideally you'd have the game masters upload the map to some kind of hosting service
dull rampart
maybe you can mix them?
dull rampart
to make a tcp wrapper to map downloads
north stirrup
Since the sizes are very small, the game hosting might not even be that expensive
hoary ferry
Yeah it would be more of a "Download before the game starts" kind of thing
We are using Amazon's gamedev web services to store data, so yeah, the GM could upload them there with the rest of the session data
north stirrup
That would work great
dull rampart
just what I tough..
north stirrup
it's exactly what we are doing in Core
So it's a well supported workflow, already used in production ๐
hoary ferry
Wait, do you mean this core? "https://twitter.com/CoreGames"
hoary ferry
you are working on that? thats pretty cool!
north stirrup
yup that's my day job now ๐
hoary ferry
Nice!
dull rampart
nice!
hoary ferry
Am I correct that its kind of similar to Dreams? atleast in the sense that it makes Simple gamedev easier for people looking to get into gamedev? Havent looked tooo much into it
north stirrup
yup, similar in concept to Dream/Roblox
hoary ferry
Nice, its always great to see projects that try to make gamedev easier to get into ^_^
north stirrup
Especially if they are using voxels ๐
hoary ferry
Which of amazons services are you uploading the maps too?
We are using Redacted for our Database, but idk if thats the right one for Voxel maps xD
north stirrup
We're using Azure, and I think that's all I'm allowed to tell you ๐
hoary ferry
@north stirrup you can never have enough voxels!! (Says the young minecraft player that is still somewhere deep inside me)
sinful rover
#notfortnite
hoary ferry
Gotcha, NDAs are the biggest party poopers in the entire world xD
north stirrup
well, it's also about security here
sinful rover
what the ip address
north stirrup
this is a public chat after all ๐
hoary ferry
Good point ๐
But hey, if core uses Voxel plugin for their terrains, I'm preeeeetty sure we'll be alright aswell
hoary ferry
So many questions from people wanting to make minecraft
north stirrup
hehe, I'll just have to make a minecraft tutorial then!
hoary ferry
haha, maybe you should start planning that one, its almost a given with the new popularity surge xD
sinful rover
there will also be the obligatory "does it work in vr?"
hoary ferry
oof
north stirrup
good thing it does ๐
hoary ferry
great, forgot to ask that one myself xD
merry field
"Can you port to Unreal Engine v4.10?"
hoary ferry
"Will this be on UE5?"
north stirrup
haha, only had that one 4 or 5 times
sinful rover
i saw a comment earlier that said "this is too expensive, can you cut the price in half?"
hoary ferry
"With unlimmited voxels plzzz?"
north stirrup
merry field
People don't think how much it would cost to develop something like that themselves, or to pay someone to do so
sinful rover
they obviously didnt think long about that comment in any sort of way
sinful rover
he should have mentioned easy voxels tho
which is a much better comparison
he just compared a matchbox car with a lamborghini
lean venture
"Google it" / "ADVANCED questions" lmao
sinful rover
one of them will actually drive you to your location
hoary ferry
haha fair
north stirrup
yeah, Rocco is an old friend of mine ๐
so I wasn't too surprised by his comment
hoary ferry
Lol judging from that comment, you guys arent friends anymore
lean venture
There's also another 5-star product called UIWS (if I recall correctly) which does water simulation really well and it was also 300+ at release (I don't know about now). The gentleman got spammed with "this price is too high" right from day one.
sinful rover
i mean the pricing of that is kinda questionable though imo
but i guess its whatever people think is worth it
dull rampart
there will also be the obligatory "does it work in vr?"
@sinful rover its funny because VR cost a kidney or so..
sinful rover
they couldnt remove the comments fast enough on that one ๐
north stirrup
With covid it's more like 2 kidneys last I checked
hoary ferry
Ok yeah, never saw that plugin before, and its verry expensive, but atleast the water looks amazing!
north stirrup
@lean venture Actually the pricing of UIWS is what convinced me to set the price on mine so high
lean venture
If the price is too expensive, you can do something crazy and.... not buy it.
lean venture
In all seriousness now, thinking of you and Elliot (UIWS) made me have second thoughts about lowering the price of mine, as I knew I'd indirectly be working against your efforts.
dull rampart
@lean venture you cheap bastard >.> haha
lean venture
Yea, I read that. Knowing the guy and being a seller myself, I've watched the reactions to UIWS closely for a while and it was even bugging me too to see all those empty comments.
dull rampart
jk, lower pricing even more so I can buy stuff hahah
lean venture
@dull rampart Yea, I know. I just couldn't take it anymore. It was time to move on for me.
sinful rover
you did the steamworks api @lean venture ?
lean venture
Yes
dull rampart
right now, our USD rate is 1/90..
sinful rover
how is that only 5 bucks right now wtf
lean venture
But there was q really nice discussion about voxels here going on, that I accidentally interrupted so I'd like to go back to that, as I was lurking and reading it before
dull rampart
so, how much did you say? $250? its more than I pay for my rental..
dull rampart
I dont event know what a voxel is guys.. nk, I'm that newbie..
hoary ferry
Dang, that right there, should be on every page in the Marketplace
hasty nexus
you don't have to buy it if you don't know what it is or can't afford it
sinful rover
im curious though going from one of the higher prices to such a low one @lean venture, did you end up making a lot more sales going down the way?
i think i picked it up at like a 100 or so
dull rampart
@hasty nexus i know.. needless to say..
sinful rover
now its 5 bucks and i never even used it lol
dull rampart
i'm joking around, some truth, some not
stiff pond
Hold up, UWorks went from $500 to $5?
north stirrup
@sinful rover Scroll up
sinful rover
did i miss something
north stirrup
Vlad's been over it several times already ๐
lean venture
I'm not interrupting Phy again, sorry
sinful rover
my bad
hoary ferry
Anyway, Guess we're gonna try out the Voxel plugin at some point ^_^
lean venture
The kind of discussion Blue and Phy were having is the kind that should be here more often
And Ngenen ^^
north stirrup
I did feel a bit like advertisement though ๐
hoary ferry
@north stirrup That bad comment mentioned that there was n o navigation, is there a solution to that?
dull rampart
ok, so I figured out that I'm "newbier" than I tough and hour ago.. HAHA
tried the @hoary ferry approach of doing a mechanic
trying to do a "passcode" blueprint
and then figured that inside blueprints its all static meshes, so I need to make the 3d model for the PAD and import it to use, which leads me to a new problem, how do I split buttons from the PAD? should I do them by separate?
hoary ferry
@north stirrup well glad those questions are cleared up xD
Last question before I stop! (I think.....)
Can users have influence over world generation parameters in game? or are those all editor only
dull rampart
most of my writing is retorical, I mean, I'm looking for guidance and I dont at the same time.. more like a "you could.. blah"
hoary ferry
@dull rampart Glad you've found something interesting to work on, but maybe this is more of a #blueprint thing? ๐
dull rampart
@hoary ferry are you in there? dont take away my friends! HAHAH
north stirrup
Everything is runtime friendly Blue
the only thing that's editor only is editing voxel graphs
because that's using unreal editor code
hoary ferry
Great! this thing is sounding better and better xD
Anyway, time for catching ZZZZzzzz's
Thanks for answering all my questions!
north stirrup
np! Thanks for asking them ๐
merry field
I think a big thing with the pricing is that there are totally different ranges of people using the Marketplace
dull rampart
@merry field totally
merry field
And what's cheap for a studio is expensive for a solo dev and seems insane to a hobbyist
dull rampart
@hoary ferry good night buddy
north stirrup
speaking of experience, there are many hobbyist for who $350 is not that expensive
hoary ferry
Before I got my Dreamworks mentor I might have been the same? You really start to value time a lot more once a Pro spends some of his valuable time on you.
It's like "They could have spend their valuable time on anything, but they chose to spend it on this"
lean venture
The ranges of people on the marketplace go from "I don't know anything" to "I am a professional myself and can judge this for what it is". That's what's causing the problems.
I've seen professionals living in 3rd world countries who never begged for a dime.
merry field
That's the classic "a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing"
lean venture
And I routinely see I-installed-UE-at-noon guys begging as hard as they can.
A guy who complains about my former 250 AUD price (also has _AU in his name) has been pestering me since forever with "I missed the sale, can I get it cheaper?"
That's how much more impactful ignorance is, over finances.
hoary ferry
ugh
lean venture
And say what you will, 250 AUD is cheap in Australia.
Minimum salary in Romania is around 500 EUR, just to give you a figure. And I've had Romanian customers who never complained about the price simply because they actually understood what Unreal Engine was.
It's not a "the poorer they are, the worse customers they make". It's "the dumber they are, the worse customers they make".
merry field
Hmm, you bring up another point about pricing - people in "cheaper" countries can sell better assets for less, leading to price disparity
lean venture
Yea and unfortunately, I, for one, can't think of any suggestion to deal or partially deal with either of those problems.
hasty nexus
Vlad 500 gross before taxes
lean venture
Indeed!
The only improvement I can think of is better and swifter moderation. For example, I flag improper reviews, but until I sent them an e-mail, nothing gets done.
But other than that, I don't see any way to prevent or slow down this ongoing downfall of the marketplace as a whole.
sinful rover
some quality control on the market wouldnt hurt either
merry field
Better searching/filtering would help too
lean venture
In defense of Epic, there used to be quality control in the earlier days.
sinful rover
i remember flagging this product before, which was essentially 6 cubes and circles being sold for 25$
no textures
not to scale
lean venture
Since then, though.... the things I've seen...
merry field
Feels like Epic have.... stopped being as thorough in a lot of areas in the last few years
I'd imagine they just don't have enough people to handle the workload
Wish they'd hire more
hoary ferry
So from what I'm gathering from all the convos here, the general tip is to "Sell the item for what it's worth, and ignore the Newbies demanding handholding with advanced systems" ?
hasty nexus
maybe they believe it's publisher's job to met client's expectations. Getting bad reviews will doom that product.
sinful rover
from the times i've been through the checklists with my submissions, it seems they just check the boxes but dont actually care about the product
lean venture
True. I'm beginning to think they're regarding the marketplace more as a "this is cool" type of endeavour rather than "this is a decent source of income".
hasty nexus
hence no one will ever buy it
merry field
Sounds like good advice, though "how much it's worth" is a really difficult question
sinful rover
i mean all this nonsense on the marketplace will decrease the sales because your product will just dissapear in this big pile of junk
nobody is gonna buy your product if they cant find it lol
merry field
There's already insane amounts of things coming out every week
Though some of it looks quite nice to be fair
sinful rover
yeah music pack 1, music pack 2, music pack3, music pack 4, house music pack 1, house music pack 2
that drives me nuts honestly
merry field
I don't get the music/sound stuff tbh
Why are you selling that on Unreal Marketplace?
hasty nexus
guys, listen, the only thing that can bring up fairness is if you can sort by quality when you do a search.
lean venture
The answer is probably because there is no downside to try to sell music here as well.
But I see your point.
merry field
Come to think of it, I think it would help a lot if you could filter out things you don't care about
lean venture
There are far more specialized platforms out there.
merry field
For example, suppose you are working on a "realistic" game, so you could filter out heavily stylised assets because they don't fit your theme
Or working on 3D so you don't care about 2D assets, or just generally don't care about music
hasty nexus
every online marketplace can sort by ratings
lean venture
Since the introduction of "search by tags" I haven't looked as discoverability as such a large problem.
merry field
The same way you can filter out tags on Steam to have it not really suggest games with those
I think also depends
If you are looking for a specific thing, vs just browsing
hasty nexus
then, publishers will have the incentive to provide high quality products to get good ratings, and buyers will be able to find quality products.
sinful rover
the 'new' page is being drown out though, you get a ton of sales through it. and if some guy decided to release his 20 different audio packs (with 5 files each....) your product is gone
would be great if they bundled that type of stuff
lean venture
What if there was some sort of "like" system like FB has? No attached reviews, no dislikes, just a simple way to "push" assets that you consider to be good, out of the gutter.
hasty nexus
but then people will abuse with bots and so on
lean venture
You can easily prevent bots though, by locking one upvote to one account.
merry field
Require 2FA
hasty nexus
100 emails
north stirrup
What's wrong with reviews?
lean venture
Technically doable, but I doubt it because it because it wouldn't be worth the effort
merry field
That's starting to make it very hard, especially if it's phone or OATH 2fa
Can't just create 100 phones
north stirrup
actually you can
hasty nexus
no, the rating system is fine, just make it so people can use the ratings as a filter
merry field
You can also hire out phone farms, they use them for testing phone apps
sinful rover
isnt it like already required nowadays to have 2FA when you sell/buy stuff
hasty nexus
then you'll see improvement
merry field
But it's starting to get a bit complicated
It has to be a smart sort on ratings though
lean venture
I like reviews. I didn't propose "likes" as a replacemenr, but as an additional feature, that wouldn't require you to purchase/review that asset. You find something you consider good, you "like" it so others may have a better chance of seeing it on the front page or wherever, without you necessarily buying it.
merry field
no "1x 5-star is greater than 99x 5-stars and 1x 1-star"
sinful rover
yeah if filter by rating you're just gonna get all the products that were once free lol
lean venture
Similar to how YT and FB algorithms work
north stirrup
But then wouldn't you be rating the marketing rather than the actual product
lean venture
Might be
lean venture
But even if you end rating the marketing, you and others would still be able to see the reviews and questions and decide for themselves
Maybe not just likes then. Both "likes" and "dislikes"
YT proved it works fairly well
hasty nexus
but then people that wanna bury your product will dislike you to death
lean venture
Yea, but apart from a few hateful customers, most people aren't vindictive
sinful rover
thats why you make them pay a ton, so they essentially have to like it!
or live with the burden of having paid so much for nothing
lean venture
Even I, having recently said I'm sick of the MP, acknowledge that the vast majority of people aren't bad or unreasonable
It's the fact that those few who are, are very vocal and pestering, that's unbearable
hasty nexus
one is enough to destroy your work if he has the tools
eager kestrel
But we are all greedy SOBs, muahahahahaa
sinful rover
its a bit of a free for all out there for sure
probably due to people being allowed to say and do whatever
you wouldnt talk like that to people in real life lol
especially as a professional haha
north stirrup
in real life
What's that
hasty nexus
:))
sinful rover
its the next generation
north stirrup
*previous
hasty nexus
that's the internet man, people tend to forget that pain hurts :D:D:D
eager kestrel
People tend to forget that other people actually exist alongside them.
sinful rover
so does spending 400 bucks on a product that doesnt work as well as you thought it did haha
lean venture
"As well as you thought" and "as advertised" are different things though
north stirrup
I wonder if anyone bought that ocean pack when it was at 700 bucks
lean venture
I'm not saying it about you. I'm saying it in general
hasty nexus
imagine working 3 years on a product, selling it physically in a MP and then comes some guy "this is worthless, it doesn't worth that much. i'll give 30 bucks. :D"
lean venture
From my experience, people don't get that
hasty nexus
oh, 30 bucks, come here in the back to show you something
sinful rover
i wasnt calling anyone out or anything lol
merry field
Oh people do that in real life in real shops too
lean venture
Yea, I didn't mean to sound as if I was calling anyone out either heh
merry field
Best one is people who go into charity shops, who are selling things very cheap to make money for charity, and demand they cut the price
lean venture
English has very few nuances when written so... #cautious
sinful rover
the shore line that didnt extend any futher @north stirrup ?
north stirrup
Is there still a spreadsheet around with the marketplace assets?
sinful rover
like all of them?
sinful rover
it probably exploded if it ever did exist
north stirrup
There used to be https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xi8lX7IThJ9VWPSV-_w5CQIqpC6GhfovviVdQjnrim8/edit#gid=0
unreal eagle
@sturdy granite yup. I knew what he was about from the first time he spoke. Just stay clear of bad sellers. Sorry you had to deal with it.
sturdy granite
@unreal eagle I didn't when I purchased the plugin around when it first was released (2017ish) but oh well, mistakes were made.
zealous spire
Hey guys,
I wanted to clarify, there was a bug that lead to Brushify going on sale for 70% across the marketplace in the first hours of the sale.
I had originally requested only 50% sale in my email request to Epic. I contacted unreal marketplace support and they fixed the issue.
It was also a shock for me to see my stuff going for those low prices! but these things happen. Thankfuly Epic responded swiftly and professionally.
Sorry for the confusion caused by that and cheers to the lucky ones that grabbed it at 70%!
Cheers,
Joe
sinful rover
Still a bargain for the most part, i picked up the country roads. Great score!
hasty nexus
@zealous spire don't worry. That's understandable. You've changed the discount percentage. The problem is with people keeping the discount percentage but increasing the base price. ๐ Awesome products btw.
eager kestrel
@north stirrup That spreadsheet would be awesome if it were updated. Everything is generated by javascript so simple google sheets importxml won't work. Can get everything using a program like scrapestorm (running it now to build a new spreadsheet).
safe stump
Does the marketplace have any other sales like this, or is the Spring Sale the biggest sale of the year?
eager kestrel
Holiday sales
safe stump
Are they also big 70% off sales like this, or do less sellers participate?
eager kestrel
If you google "unreal marketplace sale" you can see some of their previous sales. Some advertise up to 90% off.
safe stump
Sounds good. I'm saving up to buy a bunch although right now I'm not sure what I want or need since I'm a bit new to development.
eager kestrel
Unreal tries to find a reason to do a sale near the end of the year (anniversary sale, black friday sale, holiday sale, etc.)
safe stump
If a marketplace seller doesn't update their product is it ever the case that you're screwed if it doesn't work with the latest version, or can you fix it yourself? Are there any marketplace products that don't reveal the underlying mechanics?
hasty nexus
no, even code plugins come with source code
north stirrup
although you can use precompiled dlls
zealous spire
@safe stump - You can always use old projects with newer engine versions. I show how you do that here https://youtu.be/tC9PAU9ChZ0?t=111
for example, when i was recording that video I hadn't officially updated my packs to 4.25 yet. But i just force it to install the 4.24 version. ๐
For art assets there are very few things that can go wrong with new versions. Especially if good workflows and conventions were used.
safe stump
Have plugins broke in the past despite force installing? I know the ChaosDestructionDemo demo project showcasing UE4's destruction ability requires additional code from github in order to run for example, so perhaps some plugins are the same way, and could break?
@north stirrup I'm not sure I understand the implications of precompiled dlls.
zealous spire
code is different to assets, has to be compiled per engine version unfortunately
safe stump
Do you know what exactly is different that has to be compiled per engine version? Is it a general issue that could be one line of code or something more drastic?
Also I'm not sure if anything like this exists yet in UE4 or the marketplace but I have an interest in AI like GAN's, stylistic transfer, AI that can turn photos into 3D models, AI that can turn text descriptions into photos, and other ML typically done in Python although it is technically possible I think to do much of Python/Tensorflow style ML in C++ with a little work. I'd be in the market for a plugin that would allow for the use of stylistic transfer inside of UE4, and my assumption would be that it would somehow package Python within it or perhaps the dev would need to convert the code to C++ for maximum efficiency. Do you know if anything like this exists that incorporates ML that can be run in either realtime or as a parallel process?
oblique seal
Thank you for submitting your product to the Unreal Engine Marketplace. However...
lean venture
@safe stump The whole plugin needs to be recompiled for each engine version, even if no changes are needed. If you don't, newer versions won't even try to load them. It's a built-in safeguard to ensure someone or some script verifies compatibility.
TensorFlow has a C/C++ library. If you are to use TF in UE, integrating the Python library is both bad and more time-consuming, as you'd really be writing code that goes from C++ to Python and then back to C++.
zealous ibex
I created my account under the older system, but it looks like it's showing blue -> could be an auto-completed field. I have no clue how the form works internally, but make sure you clear the field and type it in manually; if all else fails, try force-reloading (crtl+shift+R) the page or using another browser @ebon leaf
raven ferry
I think this is a "know issue". People asking for stuff outside of the scope of what they bought
people wanting to expand something that was just made for an Overview map to look cool, or something like "hey I just bought your 3D asset, How do I program anything to work the way I want" Oh, you can't do it? fine, I will give your asset one little star ๐
pastel fern
Whats the refund policy if you buy something on the Epic store? Can you return it if you don't like it?
pastel fern
No, the marketplace where you buy plugins.
The epic games store does refunds for up to 14 days as I recall.
Yea no worries .
modern perch
they won't refund unless there's something actually wrong with the product
pastel fern
So ... I would guess you cannot get a refund. As you would be able to get the content and effectively steal the intellectual property from plugins. I would guess this is one of the problems with selling plugins. Unless you show good video content of what the plugin can do then people might be a bit unhappy about it.
pastel fern
Yeah, thats what I would expect and think to be fair. Buyer beware. Seller have great media that explains what your product does. Simples .
spring swallow
Do epic delete abusive "questions" on product if the author flags them?
How long do they typically take to respond to a flagging?
Thanks I guess I'll just have to wait.
delicate dove
@graceful arrow "After further review, the product has been removed from the sale. While we don't think there was an intent to mislead customers, we recognize that this could be interpreted in that way. We've notified the seller and explained the concern and the reason we took action. "
graceful arrow
Yeah, I got that notification.
delicate dove
? (afk, dinner)
honest bobcat
Can he just change the base price back down even though its removed from the sale or is there a cooldown before you can alter it again?
graceful arrow
No idea.
I'd like to also say, that previously I had remarked on the % change in the Brushify pack during the sale. I've been chatting to Joe, the creator of Brushify and he explained it was an error on Epics part. I've edited by previous comments based on that. I'd also like to publicly apologize to Joe for those comments.
sinful rover
@delicate dove i got the same email ๐
eager kestrel
I made a new google spreadsheet to list all the assets with prices, discounts, categories, etc. Data is scraped using parsehub and the spreadsheet will check for updates from parsehub every hour (though has to be manually ran on parsehub for now). Will share the link when parsehub finishes the first full scan.
Parsehub also stores results for 14 days with free accounts, so I plan to add a history to it.
astral fox
I'm thinking
If you sell assets in marketplace, they can only be used in Unreal Engine
What if you sell
delicate dove
buyers can use it in any engine
delicate dove
well, except for official epic content, or affiliated with epic content.
if you want to convert a blueprint to whatever works for that engine you theoretically are allowed to do so
merry field
Though I think that that point you're using it as a guide and creating your own content
astral fox
That makes so much sense now
odd socket
Guys, i was recieved a pdf from Eric Games with changes which i need to make, and one of them are: Materials meant for use with mobile platforms must fully render in the mobile preview mode of the editor.
But where i can change that? My material are generally doesnt supported on mobile ๐คทโโ๏ธ
delicate dove
then dont check the box that says "works with mobile"
because thats why they tell you it isnt working on mobile
odd socket
Oh! iOS! Looks like i forget to uncheck this. I guess that cause my problem, right?
delicate dove
yuz
odd socket
Thank you Luos ๐
north stirrup
@eager kestrel nice!
I think it'd be super interesting to have a long pricing history
Do you know if it's possible to export the data from parse hub?
eager kestrel
Yes, it is definitely possible to download the json or csv file. 14 days to grab it before parsehub removes it.
Scanning all the pages does take longer than they advertise for free accounts. 200 pages in 40 minutes, but I have done 60 pages in 60 minutes.
eager kestrel
Yeah, after javascript loads.
north stirrup
Can't you query the marketplace api directly
eager kestrel
Wasn't sure how to access it.
north stirrup
Check the requests the page is making
There's an API returning a nice json with all the products
Much cheaper to use that I bet :)
north stirrup
Hehe
eager kestrel
north stirrup
Hehe
eager kestrel
such an odd number
I think it is the home page
There they are, but only 100 at a time
Otherwise you get "{"status":"Error","errorCode":"errors.com.epicgames.validation.validation_failed","args":null}"
Basically the same thing parsehub is already doing. 117 pages of assets to load through.
But that can be done much faster now.
north stirrup
Sounds right
eager kestrel
Nope, costs money to setup scheduling with parsehub. The next one will be automated.
north stirrup
The next one?
eager kestrel
Making one to just work directly off the marketplace api. That was just the parsehub finished scan that took over 2 hours, haha.
north stirrup
oh haha
What I think would be really useful is making a json dump every day
that way we could have price histories for assets
eager kestrel
I'm going to have it do that as well. Save them to a google drive.
north stirrup
You seem to have all that well under control, but lmk if you need any help ๐
eager kestrel
Will do. You already pointed me in the right direction.
north stirrup
hehe, I did that parsing a while ago too
although I did it with a dumb python script
only to realize someone already had a spreadsheet showing the same data ๐ข
eager kestrel
The JSON files are so large, so I started by pulling out what I specifically need and remaking the JSON file with all assets in one instead of 117 separate files.
The single master JSON file with only the pertinent info is smaller than one of the 100 item JSON files, haha
north stirrup
I think it'd still be useful to store the raw dump, in case we need them later ๐ค
Storage's so cheap nowadays ๐
eager kestrel
Yep, all those will be in their separated files, the 117 of them or however many it makes depending on number of assets
Just thought it might be easier to read from 1 file to display in the spreadsheet, hehe
north stirrup
true true
I wonder if one could make a chrome/ff extension to show the price history of the marketplace asset you're on 
or if it'd even be worth the time to do so
or if it'd even be legal 
eager kestrel
I've never messed with making extensions before, but that would be cool.
If google is allowed to cache webpages, then why can't we? hehe
north stirrup
yup, I guess you're right
although it might be different if you're a seller/customer of the marketplace
eager kestrel
I did notice that this api does give out info it shouldn't. Some info is only shown to people after they bought the asset or are logged in.
But it shows everything, from what I can tell.
north stirrup
what kind of info?
eager kestrel
seller info
eager kestrel
Not a big deal since most sellers expect people to get that info
But odd that it would be hidden when not owned, but available to all, even not logged in, when grabbing through the api.
north stirrup
heh
merry field
There are browser extensions already which modify pages like this
Steam Enhanced for Steam which adds info like DRM, lowest sales prices, critic review scores, etc., to the pages
So should be possible to do that here too
north stirrup
๐
hoary ferry
Man that would be great!
north stirrup
btw, I can't help but notice I'm the 5-stars plugin with the most votes ๐
Giving the plugin for free to get nice ratings sure feels like cheating ๐ค
rapid ocean
if i also get it for free, you'll have 49 5 star votes. deal? ๐ค
eager kestrel
Fixed the ratings for that spreadsheet. Forgot to copy the formula for the additional 11000 assets from my previous scan, haha.
hoary ferry
How many assets are on the MP right now 0_o
eager kestrel
11653 or so
hoary ferry
Daaaang
north stirrup
omg
eager kestrel
"total":11641 could have sworn that was 11650 something the last time I looked.
hoary ferry
I thought I knew about most great things on the MP, and then yesterday you guys dropped that water pack and Im like "HOW did I not know about that??"
eager kestrel
Which pack?
north stirrup
The one from Eliott?
hoary ferry
UIWS
hoary ferry
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Now I cant stop wondering how many other wonderfull things I've missed
sinful rover
perhaps you missed 'fluid interaction tool'
north stirrup
wait what
north stirrup
eager kestrel
Has anyone here used the shadersource tools yet?
hoary ferry
Havent heard of any of these either, but then again Im usually searching for things that are either useful for programming, or impressive things. Like the voxel plugin, or the stuff S. Krezel does.
north stirrup
Slavq is really good at what he does ๐
hoary ferry
Ah so I was right on his name! I just used the MP name because I wasnt a 100% sure xD
His assets are so good!
also a tad insane
eager kestrel
I picked up almost all of his assets already. Any asset generator is a must have. To turn 1 into infinite, how can you pass it up?
hoary ferry
sinful rover
did he make those trees that like explode and what not
rapid ocean
what are some other great marketplace packs you should pick up during sale?
hoary ferry
He made 2 big tree things. Idk aboit exploding
sinful rover
there was this really cool tree pack that you could cut up and explode, dont remember the name of it
eager kestrel
Interactive Tree Creator can take care of pretty much all your tree needs.
hoary ferry
I picked up logic driver pro https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/logic-driver-state-machine-blueprint-editor
sinful rover
yeah that thing looks pretty rad
hoary ferry
Yeah!
I picked up the challenge of seeing how much of that procedural asset creator I can move to in-game
rapid ocean
any opinions on brushify? im thinking about getting two or three packs.
sinful rover
solid quality, good price
hard to go wrong with it
depending on your needs
the stuff performs as well, which is something thats undervalued a lot
rapid ocean
need those landscape brushes, im too lazy for a terresculptor => heightmap => unreal => handsculpting workflow
north stirrup
sinful rover
i have one of those, and they seem rather bland in the details