But you can always post in somewhere else ๐
#fab
lunar fractal
clever bough
yeah that what i was tihnking, Its a old fps templatte i made with gamemodes, Just know how hard it is for people getting started,
lunar fractal
Maybe you could also polish them a bit (if needed) and release them for a small price
clever bough
yeah maybe ill have another think on the matter
sinful kelp
Well the approval process was a lot more straightforward and faster than i expected
gj Epic staff
My only complaint is the 24h period on sales reports
wooden falcon
yah, everyone hates that
sinful kelp
the technology just isn't there yet!
silver moat
^ More like the person to use the technology just isn't there yet!
craggy zinc
Demonized
zealous ibex
RIP - same here, I well exceed the watch time but am only 3/4th of the way to 1k subs, oh well.....the only thing which sucks is that the yt algorithm appears to prefer monetized channels, so discovery may quite well go down for me
robust vector
I never actually monetize videos, but I use them to demo my products and I need all the discoverability I can get.
wintry pine
Anyone know any good packs for UI and stuff? Mainly for a main menu
Just need the textures, not the actual widgets
wooden falcon
it's been quiet...too quiet...
robust vector
Do a barrel roll, then read a post about how they are aware of marketplace problems, but not actually doing anything to fix them.
Or maybe just get a 'you are not authorized to view this page," since the new forum is still junk.
crisp rapids
And it's in Materials, not Props
lucid horizon
That sums the marketplace up pretty well atm
worthy pawn
so funny i could cry
reviewer spends 5 months ignoring the pile of work then spends 5 seconds validating it?
probably a bit hard, i do check the marketplace several times a day for stuff and a lot of it's great. i guess we don't get to see what's rejected
silver moat
Someone should try to submit a "dark matter" pack and see if it goes in.
worthy pawn
or a 'long wait' perhaps
crisp rapids
A broken BP to practice debugging on
worthy pawn
comments been removed btw
sinful kelp
How did that get past the checklist even....
worthy pawn
most importantly... will this support multiplayer?
sullen lion
at least I can get a refund if the meshes don't support multiplayer
sour gate
I hate to say I am glad I am not payed to deal with this right now
delicate dove
not kidding, someone should make the same tables in 10-15 minutes and just give em away for free.
@sinful kelp "@leaden root still better than unity store"
at least they have tags XD
worthy pawn
luos.. it's not a serious product btw
fathom bane
What is going on here
sinful kelp
We are debating modern art
delicate dove
even if its not serious, the fact that it got accepted is seriously a joke
worthy pawn
makes a good point all the same ๐
how it looked prior to the comments being removed
delicate dove
thanks, was looking for that
btw slightly offtopic @white osprey was talking to someone from one of the ue4 meetups, and they told me they missed you
also sad to hear Jess is gone ๐ฆ
robust vector
Axcel for president of Earth 2020
sour gate
Aww! I miss the community, I'll try to pop in more
delicate dove
this does open the market for my 1 to 20m million polygon cubes without textures for the sound catagory
sour gate
Yeah, Jess is a sweetie
delicate dove
hehe "material contains tesselation x 100 for optimized polygon usage"
not to mention its a giant slap in the face for anybody who tried to publish content in the past that was above this quality.
sinful kelp
On a side note would people be interested in more apocalyptic themed asset packs? Im gonna have a few weeks free time so im thinking of doing some destroyed buildings sets and such
delicate dove
just add an empty terrain and claim the buildings are so destroyed nothing got left
but yea, go for it @sinful kelp
leaden root
Wait people can remove comments?
delicate dove
curators can
leaden root
Haha
robust vector
I'm really not in favor of comment removal unless its clear cases of deliberate trolling
The comments in that pic should have been left
sinful kelp
The only reason it think that guy isnt trolling is the broken english
Chinese asset studios sometimes scare me
leaden root
Get outa here joshua 
gloomy bramble
Oh so guns are allowed on the MP again?
Oh its just the sound
Even the Unreal Marketplace has better gun control than the US 
leaden root
Literally
delicate dove
hehe
leaden root
I wonder whether untextured guns would get past the checks
robust vector
Bet they would get past the TSA
gloomy bramble
Instead of making guns illegal on the marketplace, lets make all guns FREE!
delicate dove
Amanda just told me on twitter she'll discuss with the team.
unrelated to previous convo.
"Yes, weโve been working closely with our UX team to develop surveys for both sellers and buyers that will most effectively determine your wants and needs in the Marketplace. While we feel we have a good grasp on your priorities for the Marketplace, the survey will help ensure that all of you (I see the lurkers!) have a voice and it gives us hard data to follow as a guide. This is scheduled to be in your inboxes next week.
This data will be used to influence our next steps with Marketplace and weโll be sure to share those plans with you."
- Amanda
robust vector
Because we totally need a survey to know that better discoverability like tags and better searching are top priority.
Smells like bull๐ฉ
Make sellers feel like they have some agency, that will keep them quiet for a while
supple moon
marketplace update day is no longer exciting
start making more betterer stuff
shakes fist
leaden root
Everyday is update day tho
supple moon
wed / thurs has always seemed to be the day when most assets drop
tacit torrent
Just butting in a bit here. Saw that un-textured table pack pop up on twitter and just knew the channel would be a fun read in light of it haha. Was not dissapoint ๐
ebon leaf
the marketplace has always been a fucking joke
every retard and his dog can post whatever trash they pull out of their ass on it, and 99% of it is exactly that
lunar fractal
Can't we make a priority list ourselves, instead of waiting for the survey? Taking some action from our side with good intentions
ebon leaf
people being under the illusion that the trash that some of them produce has any sort of value to anyone.
flat schooner
about those awesome tables without textures I wrote to the creator...
lunar fractal
Glad to hear that there is organize in folders ๐ค ๐
flat schooner
and that this asset is actualy for Unreal
flat schooner
This is new marketplace standard
delicate dove
"We have a lot of the support team do initial reviews, and then a smaller group perform final reviews" - Josh
so not one, but at least two people approved that pack hehe
delicate dove
they deleted the comments again
its either worrying or funny that the comments on this package constantly get deleted, while if any other seller has concerns about troll-comments on their packages the MP team is extremely reluctant on deleting them.
thats not right.
flat schooner
The creator is from Mexico and speaks very poor english I am wondering if this asset is part of some afiramative action, it sounds stupid I admit, there are more chances that this is only stupid mistake
tiny heron
They took it down
delicate dove
lunar fractal
If you have to get statistics for every claim, this will take ages xD
Also, witch ๐
nova scaffold
how that have anything to do with what he owns?
"I have 5 movies on DVDs, they are all great - there are no bad movies out there"
night meteor
Wait, it's not a requirement to use Power of Two Textures to submit ot MP? D:
delicate dove
it is
2.3.7 Textures
2.3.7.a Both dimensions of each texture should have a size that is a power of 2 where applicable (e.g. 1024x512 or 1024x4096).
night meteor
maybe the MP needs an additional "Please Review" button
crisp rapids
The secret is, you are the review team.
night meteor
or atleast a report button
wooden falcon
Somewhere, the Duck guy is going "See...duck is quality"
wooden falcon
Do none of these archviz guys make their beds: https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/HighresScreenshot00019-1920x1080-5c688d3fbec2edb8491764dab2f39b42.png
delicate dove
XD
dense radish
Because you know.. it's really pesky adding in those textures.. bwhahaha Don't they give you a table in the demo project? lol
worn oyster
wats wrong with the duck?
seemed allright to me, the unicorn is pretty awwsome even,
the unicorn is an emote in fortnite now ๐
sinful kelp
Oh it was taken down?
worn oyster
hope they did pay the unicorn guy for it, cuz that 2d emoticon was clearly based on it
wooden falcon
technically they wouldn't have to
all they'd have to do is buy the unicorn on the MP
worn oyster
yea, but still have to buy it ๐ they did buy stuff from MP for bullettrain ๐
pretty sure the unicorn wasnt on the MP bac than otherwize it would have made the cut ๐
wooden falcon
ugh, it sucks when I think "let me practice modeling something really simple, like this knife" only to realize they're not that simple
been watching youtube knife modeling vids all day to figure out how they get the sub-d right
worn oyster
last mango
Lol
lunar fractal
Anyone has a solution for testing their asset on iOS without the 100 dollar apple license/fee?
robust vector
If you have an ios device and a toilet with a big enough hole, you can solve all your problems
lunar fractal
๐
zealous ibex
You no longer need to pay the fee to test on your local physical evice
Only a Mac caphable of running (the latest version of) Xcode, and a physical device
zealous ibex
๐ You could try using the simulator ๐
It won't be as nice to test, but I think it should theoretically work....don't quote me on that though
I'm still considering buying an old mac mini for the same
lunar fractal
I'll first release an update for mobile with tested Android support only, my god Apple...
Hope someone will just test it for me after download and let me know xD
zealous ibex
๐
shadow geyser
anyone know if the guy that made this plugin is in the discord
https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/released-projects/112711-free-input-buffering-plug-in-for-unreal-engine-4/page3
if so can you dm me thanks
delicate dove
@junior smelt any reason?
yea, would be nice if all of the reviewers reviewed content identical.
some seem to do half arsed jobs
while others might be a bit too thorrough
zealous ibex
and ofc time from send for approval to get email about changes needed takes from 1-5 days that isn't even that bad ๐
nova scaffold
@junior smelt but if second issue was similar to first one, why didn't you fixed it first time?
imho their job is to enforce guidelines and not a bug testing and doing QA for submitters
solemn laurel
I think it's also important to point out that they are human, and things get missed. Or problems that are found are covered by the first issue so they were harder to see the first time around, or an infinite number of other things. I used to be on that very team and I can tell you they are nothing if not professional in handling each person's assets, though I can't say anymore than that as I'm still technically under an NDA. Give them the opportunity to do their jobs so that you can get the best version of your product on the marketplace. Besides, it's usually good practice to check your pack for similar issues if they find one, as when there is one, usually there are more that you can head off at the pass.
delicate dove
while i sorta agree, I feel all the stuff thats slipping trough their fingers all but proof they are professionally handling things.
zealous ibex
^ I'd say I probably agree with that - there's always things you don't catch, and they have been pretty good here while dealing with plugins.....it's just the waiting time I personally hate ๐
(But I guess that kind of makes sense too, but when it gets to the point of months it gets really frustrating)
solemn laurel
Without knowing the inner workings neither of us can say that for sure. From an outside view it may not look like it, and certainly all I can offer is my word, which may not be worth much, but as far as I know from having personally been there, and having personally done it, I can tell you these individuals genuinely take their job and your assets seriously and do their best to get it right as quickly and efficiently as they can.
delicate dove
as long as content like the 5 crappy table meshes without textures gets approved during innitial review and tech review, im sorry but I cant believe that.
solemn laurel
that's a subjective view though, some people want those 5 crappy table meshes, just because you don't doesn't mean it doesn't belong there
or if they don't it doesn't get purchased
sullen lion
IDK I think I stopped caring about quality with easy save, but will admit some of the things that made it are pretty funny
solemn laurel
then it is irrelevant, as the issue was found and dealt with. A massive slipup would be if it was taken down, put back up in the same condition, then found out to be pirated content. At best your talking about an eye sore and an inconvenience
delicate dove
its not irrelevant, it shouldnt have been accepted during innitial preview. they wherent scaled to skeleton, no textures, not pbr, no unwraps, it was placed in the material catagory and there was prolly even more wrong with it.
thats a massive slipup
solemn laurel
define massive
delicate dove
somebody didnt even bother looking at the package, and if they did they arent qualified to do so from now on imho, and they arent holding everyone to the same standard if this was passed while another person was declined because a quality package like it "was already available on the marketplace"
or wires overlapping
or max 3 maps
or whatever stupid reasons they occasionally come with
sullen lion
are tutBPs still required?
solemn laurel
yes, or at least some explanation of what your stuff does
sullen lion
Those are even more bs than wire crossing IMO
delicate dove
^
sullen lion
At one point I saw it explicitly required with or without other explanation
solemn laurel
Ok I'll tackle this one at a time, not trying to be condescending or rude, just easier for my brain
delicate dove
sure things can fall trough the cracks, but a pack like that tableset isnt just a small crack, its a sinkhole
solemn laurel
for @delicate dove, I understand and agree that it is an oversight and someone made a mistake, but I would not call that massive. Massive is something that directly affects others, and if the assets are as bad as you say, it is doubtful they were drawing sales from others or turning people away from other sellers. As for it being a sinkhole you are correct, and it's one that needs to be filled, but wording matters in this, and you are talking about this almost like it's a crisis when it's really one person kinda fucked up and they had to fix it, it's genuinely not that big of a deal in the long run and probably helped point to areas they need to focus on to better do their jobs. That's just my take on it and I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying maybe we shouldn't jump down their throats about every single thing that occurs because all your doing at that point is throwing fire for the sake of throwing fire, and it won't make the situation better.
for @sullen lion tutorial bps, or at least some way to explain the asset, is vital for the buyer, not the seller. You can use text render actors to accomplish it just fine generally and need to be there to explain what your stuff does
think of it like ikea furniture manuals, it's a cya that says what your stuff does so people can't come back pissy
sullen lion
Oh sure, not saying I should be allowed to put up a complex system with no docs
tutBPs are just a garbage fire and I won't make one, part of why I don't participate in the MP
silver moat
@solemn laurel How long have you been around mp and how many assets you have published?
solemn laurel
Well I can confirm that you don't necessarily HAVE to use them, usually they are fine with you having found a way to explain it.
@silver moat let's look at it another way, how long did I work at Epic on the Marketplace team?
delicate dove
it is massive, it looks poorly on the mp team, it was the joke of the week on discord and twitter, and thats just from what I personally saw. its a slap in the face for people who's content gets declined over stupid reasons like an overlapping wire, no uv's on a vfx mesh, or the curator their computer being poorly set up and therefore a plugin not working (I can name dozen more examples if you want). it makes a mockery of us as sellers who try to make content, reduces the respect we (sometimes barely) have for the curators, and it looks poorly on epic.
sullen lion
Like I'd rather spend a week or w/e to learn premiere and blow a ton of production value
or use a docs gen like what allar made
or something
silver moat
No I asked a different question.
silver moat
Alright.
I hope that helps you realize why you're having different views than Luos.
And the rest of us.
solemn laurel
Oh I do, I'm just hoping we can find a middle ground, because I do see the other side of thing
s
and I know the shitstorm that they get on a daily basis
solemn laurel
did it affect your sales?
delicate dove
if it happens once, fine. but this has been going on for years
sullen lion
I think its not about sales that specific thing takes
silver moat
The tableset like issues have been going on for 3 years or something how can you find a middle ground there.
sullen lion
Like for me I'm less motivated to do work on a pack because I've heard of people being turned around with a quality product, and then see utter trash approved. There's other issues too but I'm an outsider and I'm sure that the people directly effected can argue their points better.
solemn laurel
Ok, I want you to think like a reviewer for a moment, just as fairness goes, I'm trying to understand your side, I want you to try to understand theirs, it's only fair.
silver moat
Just yesterday they rejected our submission for not having any tech details while it did. Tableset does get to go through though.
solemn laurel
So you receive a pack with 30+ assets, you now have to go through each and every single asset, check every texture, check every seam, check every material, make sure everything follows the guidelines, get it back to the person in a timely manner. Not that big of a deal for one right? Should take you an hours work?
oh, you've got 30 of those in your inbox (random number, don't know the real one)
sullen lion
If the motives are: Hey ok, so the mesh can be imported and used, and it meets these basic requirements, description matches. Approved. Price is high, let's suggest a cut but if not we put it up like this, then why do I hear my pack was rejected because there's this other thing that is in the same category
delicate dove
if i was a reviwer and I saw that, the unicorn, the duck, the pirated content, and heard my fellow reviwers either declined content because they didnt like that person, or insta-accepted content from a person they liked, or because made up things like max map count, overlapping wires in perfectly readable materials, and again i can name so much here, I would be ashamed.
solemn laurel
now, you have to go back and forth with each seller individually to ensure highest quality product
but your getting feedback from some, shade from others, constantly, fire fire fire fire fire all day trying to get this done
that can cause you to mess up
when you're having to concentrate on fires from the community while handling your job, you mess up.
that's what I'm saying
when all you get is shit on because everyone thinks they are right all the time, you make mistakes, because you can't focus on your job and focus on everything else at the same time, it's not a possibility.
delicate dove
if you simple adhere to the guidelines as a reviewer, not much that can mess up. and its only a few people that deal with the community. but therein lies also the point. we arent just a community. we are sellers and companies yet never viewed as that
silver moat
@solemn laurel That 30 packs assumption isn't true because we only seeing a handful of assets released per week. Given an asset pack wouldn't even take 1 hour to review, not sure where they're spending their time.
zealous ibex
I hate tutorial BPs, but once they're set up it is a pretty nice experience for the buyer
sullen lion
Yeah, end user xp there is pretty nice.
solemn laurel
@silver moat it was a random value to make a point
zealous ibex
I wouldn't say test/a tutorial BP would replace the need for written documentation myself though ๐ค
silver moat
@solemn laurel But the point isn't valid if the number of packs to be reviewed is small and they still constantly make mistakes with that.
solemn laurel
but, the point is you all are not wrong to want these changes, but the way you go about it, the way you approach the situation is what I'm saying probably isn't ideal
because this whole "oh something is wrong let's turn it into a fiasco" situation helps no one, including sellers
silver moat
I think experience has proven they take care of things better only when something is publicized and put on fire.
solemn laurel
AND, perhaps those complaining about rejections aren't always telling the whole story
sullen lion
Yeah maybe.
solemn laurel
that has happened before, we've all seen that
so you have to take those with a grain of salt
delicate dove
we sellers are partially part of this community because its our job, we interact to sell, to promote, and to be liked to improve our sales. we get flack if our packages suck, we hear people ignoring the marketplace because the content quality is poor in some people their eyes, we actively talk to potential buyers, and help sellers with issues. if you cant take the "fire fire fire" you should probably find another job, or proactively take some courses to learn how to deal with that without it affecting your work.
sullen lion
I'm not really stuck in on a side its just kinda turning me away.
silver moat
I have seen Epic ignoring sellers for long time and responding immediately as soon as someone yells in public. @delicate dove knows better.
delicate dove
shit, if I had to mess up my work because a client, seller, or rando twitter/youtube/facebook/asset post tells me its shit..
i always try to make any pack I make to be at the top of my current standard, and I expect at least the curators to uphold that standard.
solemn laurel
if you had to mess up your work because you have so much going on that you literally can't think straight with everything coming at you at once you might actually understand, from where I'm standing you CAN'T understand that because you don't have to deal with that
delicate dove
like I dont have stuff to deal with
solemn laurel
that's something that people who aren't there can't know
delicate dove
that argument is moot
solemn laurel
that's not what I said
I said you don't have to deal with the specific situation they do
so you're point doesn't make much sense, because you literally do not know what they deal with every day
silver moat
Bottom line is @solemn laurel as someone who has worked there, tell us what can we do to convince Epic to start handling mp like a professional.
We've done everything for +3 years.
delicate dove
we give advice, point out issues with buyers and sellers, heck we helped set up the current guidelines (which where rushed by the mp team since we still and pages and pages of things that didnt sound, feel, or where written down right)
and instead of taking the advice, requests, and suggestions to heart, they are gonna sound out another survey, while barely anything was done with the previous one
solemn laurel
Ok, so the first thing I'd suggest is stop acting reactively every time someone has a bad experience, approaching these situations with fire and flame does not work in the end. Collect the complaints and find the common denominator that is the root of the issue. Then, make a polite yet firm post on the forums, specifically in the creator's hub with what you have, why you feel that way, confirmations from others (STILL POLITE AND PROFESSIONSAL - sorry this can't be stated enough as that is the main problem I see generally). Suggest changes that are realistic and doable, or suggest a pathway they could follow.
delicate dove
and I know that blame cant be put on the mp team alone, its the higherups
solemn laurel
Again, I am not saying don't complain
that's not it, I'm just saying don't rain hell down on the team that's in the front lines when a peaceful yet firm approach not only will get you more of what you want, but it will help resolve the situation faster
Yes, Flare ups and fires get attention faster, but they don't get shit DONE faster
delicate dove
we have tried that for the longest time, but if you see no reaction to that for many years
this is how it ends up
solemn laurel
well that's all I can suggest, because I can tell you human nature is not to give you what you want when you get mad and throw fires
it might be to make it go away, but it rarely is to give you what you want
delicate dove
and thats not entirely true. current social climate is raging at a lot of stuff right now, and things get done
solemn laurel
in some cases yes, and I'll admit my solution isn't always right
there are some things that are valid to get beyond fiery for
and I do it myself
but most things, civil discussion solves more than anger
which in social terms is something our society sorely lacks lol
delicate dove
the funny thing in that is though, at the end of the year I wrote a very polite thread, targeted at the mp team/epic/curators, and barely any reply
heck, most polite threads get ignored
solemn laurel
Just because they didn't reply doesn't mean they didn't read it and take notes to get done. NDA prevents me from talking about the extra process there though sadly
delicate dove
they might, but you cannot expect people to believe they read that if nothing changes or no replies have been given
solemn laurel
that I understand, and I do agree that Epic should be better about providing replies, especially to polite forum threads where real changes can be made
because that's how you encourage people NOT to start fires
delicate dove
I do believe that raging etc isnt the way to go, and I'll be the first to admit I like to stir the pot. but thats mainly because the lack of replies, updates, and improvements
silver moat
@solemn laurel When I asked you how long you've been selling was to know if you know what we've been through. You don't.
We've all been begging epic with absolute politeness and flowers for a long time. While we all agree most mp issues have roots in higher positions, even the guys in frontlines don't do the smallest things they can do to improve anything even if that's something as simple as drinking water. They put fire in their own hay cart instead and have made the entire community angry. Once you get to where we are atm you will see and understand my words.
solemn laurel
That might be a good point to expand upon with the community team there @delicate dove. I have a lot of respect for you and your work, and I know they do as well.
well know is a strong term, I don't wanna put words into people's mouth, "strongly believe"
silver moat
@solemn laurel For example they would reject packs for 2-3 years for not having 0 connected to metallic material pin. But they wouldn't never listen when we pointed them to their own documentation saying you should no connect a 0 to metallic. That's how mp people work.
solemn laurel
@silver moat politeness and flowers to some may feel like mortars and bombshells to others, depending on how you approach the conversation. However, you are right, I've not been here as a seller as long.
that's why I'm saying wording matters. Your points are all valid, my concern is making sure they are heard without crushing any meaningful change with angry hearts
delicate dove
and I have respect for the marketplace team, even if me and i.e. josh clash sometimes I honestly think he is handling it all rather well. and that goes for most mp people I interact with. but the way the overall situation has been handled for the past year leaves a bad taste in our mouth sadly. and yea, the frontlines get the most flack and to be honest, thats worrying since the people who need to hear it either dont receive it, or ignore it.
solemn laurel
I haven't really interacted with Josh much since I left Epic, but I think while it may take time the future is looking brighter for the MP as a whole.
delicate dove
I hope so, but much needs to be done still. and with much I mean a lot
solemn laurel
and we've found some middle ground, because on that I agree, there is still very much to do
delicate dove
hhe, middle ground on this aspect I agree
and on that bombshell I need to go. I have two fiery eyes staring at the back of my head as I promised an hour ago I would spend time with mrs gilfriend
solemn laurel
hahaha, have fun, I have taxes to finish
delicate dove
looking at how mad gf looks at me, id like to do your taxes as well XD
solemn laurel
XD. Have a good day, was an interesting conversation
wooden falcon
so what's been going on in here...oh lawd
solemn laurel
lol, I'd say a friendly, if passionate, debate XD
robust vector
Idk. The people we talk to all quit and then we start the cycle over with the next representative they send us. Maybe if we got them to quit faster than they were replaced it would force the higher-ups into talking with us.
lunar fractal
Anyone has any good ideas about what we can do this make this whole process better? I mean, we should be able to do something right?
crisp rapids
Unless you're directly talking to a person live, neither flattery or flame will get you anywhere. You can wait. Chances are many things are solved by waiting and not the commotion that occurs during the wait. On the other hand, commotion does do things like getting certain assets withdrawn, even if it doesn't solve the problem that allowed the asset to slip through the cracks.
delicate dove
yea, friendly & passionate. no bad thoughts about zombieBear whatsoever.
id buy him a bear anytime
beer* not bear
oh god
obsidian tree
beer in dutch is still a bear...
lunar fractal
If you happen to buy him a bear, at least let it be a zombie bear ๐
crisp rapids
He'd prefer fresh bear brains.
delicate dove
"its my comfort animal" he said at the airport
wooden falcon
he might like a zombie beer
solemn laurel
All are welcome, beers, bears, both alive or otherwise!
robust vector
I got some stuff on sale, so check it out https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/profile/Black Fang Technologies
Or don't. Normal psychology or reverse, just pick whichever one makes you spend more money.
lunar fractal
Careful, Analysis paralysis danger
zealous ibex
I believe your payout report does present you with the 30% cut, but I guess having it in your sales report could be pretty nice indeed ๐ค
delicate dove
sweet, I'd spam that everywhere if I was you hehe
zealous ibex
Wait......I posted that in the wrong channel ๐คฆ
Sowwy master @delicate dove ^^
(I was thinking this was #plugin-dev)
delicate dove
oh i didnt mean it negatively
i honestly meant its sweet, and id post it on some social media if I where you
zealous ibex
Oh, got it ๐ Going to keep it a litle more low-profile (mainly in the #plugin-dev channel here) first, and then go on social media/the forums/etc. once I know it's probably stable enough to survive anything ๐
prisma gate
Hi, anyone has the 'Advanced Locomotion System V2' and can help me?
lucid horizon
@prisma gate - I have, but all I've done to it is added new animations to it for climbing / swimming. Some basic stuff like that.
delicate dove
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/node-graph-assistant ooh interesting
pseudo sundial
is the new topics link on the forums broken for anyone else?
modern perch
yeah, it's a known issue
shadow inlet
@pseudo sundial - Try now?
pseudo sundial
works now ๐
shadow inlet
Excellent ๐
wooden falcon
is the survey that went out from Epic legit? I'm always really paranoid about phishing attempts
delicate dove
yea it is
shadow inlet
Yep, it's an official communication.
wooden falcon
cool, thx!
leaden root
It was actually a pretty decent survey
ebon leaf
The email from apoisonedgift@totallylegit.com that asks for your bank details is also official communication and not a phishing scam... Kappa
lunar fractal
seems totally legit to me. Can you forward so I can reply too ๐
last mango
I was an little scoulding in that survey... Maybe an little to heavy handed. But when you have an official opportunity to point out issues.... they asked for honest opinions ๐
ebon leaf
crosses DevilsD off the "eligible to win" list for Epic
ebon leaf
not with that attitude you won't! ๐
lunar fractal
hahah
ebon leaf
I got two emails for the survey... to the same email address... but one of them has the subject "Give us your feedback..." and the other one is "Tell us what you think...." lol
last mango
I pasted the Content Creators "wish list" thread in every comment box (along with my answer as well)
lunar fractal
If the honestly is written down professional, no problem ๐
last mango
Oh my answers were proffessional
ebon leaf
"git gud epic. mplace is rekt, nubs"
lunar fractal
xD
last mango
Just the tone was an bit mean i think lol
Hopefully they get the picture if enough people reply in an similar way
lunar fractal
Well, that's what you get for ignoring/not updating so long ๐
last mango
I also steered all my answers towards how bad the review process is lol
lunar fractal
I could not, only release one review so far and that was quite nice ๐
My payout reports page never loads though so thats an improvement
tiny heron
Did you qualify for a payout yet?
tiny heron
It should populate at the end of the month if you have sales
lunar fractal
I'll be patient ๐
tiny heron
I got two surveys too. Customer and Seller. The contents was different.
Anyway Iโm hopeful.
flat schooner
do you know any usefull twitter hashtags for advertising mp assets?
wooden falcon
little does the winner of the $200 for the survey know, they're going to immediately refund $200 worth of sales
๐
indiedev and gamedev, @flat schooner?
ue4 and unrealengine
I wonder if using any of those actually results in sales though...mostly I think it just results in bots following you
what said bots might look like: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fkvDJdHNKKM/maxresdefault.jpg
prisma gate
@lucid horizon u know how to get it work with custom characters?
lucid horizon
Na, sorry, I was just using the default UE character
sly wyvern
After 12 months of development, we've just released Realtime Database for all platforms! ๐๐ More info on the forum: https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/marketplace/111529-realtime-database-for-all-platforms-firebase
fallow sigil
Working on my first marketplace pack, any tips from you vets out there?
wooden falcon
polish it up before submitting...go over the published guidelines for naming before hand and make sure you follow them
for instance, all static meshes must be prefixed with the word "Bananapants"
ok, that last one was not true :/
fallow sigil
tooo late, already done
wooden falcon
lol
with the way things are going, it would probably be allowed
Also, be patient, but not too patient
if you submit a requested fix and don't hear back for a few days, that's normal...a few weeks is not :/
there've been a few people who have been way too patient with the quality checkers
fallow sigil
ah got ya, thats good to know
wooden falcon
sometimes you have to push back though, when they request some inane change
zealous ibex
Congrats @sly wyvern ๐
sly wyvern
Thank you very much @zealous ibex ! โฅ๏ธ
zealous ibex
No problem man, I always admire your work ๐ And so cool you're supporting so many platforms - just supporting Windows, Android & Linux is already a huge pain to test on each iteration ๐
sly wyvern
and iOS and macOS ๐
zealous ibex
^ Going try and support those on my plugins soon too, macs are just so darn expensive ๐คฆ
But I guess they're a lot like linux (I know they aren't binary compatible.....if only), so I guess the process of actually adding support shouldn't be too different
On another topic - that survey was actually a pretty good initiative from Epic's side ๐ Hope they'll continue doing this kind of thing.....seems way more effective than us just complaining ๐
Though I hate we can't edit responses - I 100% want to add "allow us to create plugins that support more than the 3 most recent engine versions" now ๐ค
wooden falcon
Epic busy entering your survey results into their database: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/young-woman-tosses-crumpled-up-paper-into-the-trash-royalty-free-image/74598597
j/k Epic ๐
zealous ibex
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Does anyone care about (Windows) 32-bit support nowadays? Eg. is it even worth adding support for in modern times where almost everyone is using a 64 bit CPU, especially in the more high-end sector (that may be playing UE4 games)
wooden falcon
people still have 32 bit processors? ๐
zealous ibex
I'm sure there must be someone out there, but I'm pretty sure most things have switched to 64 bit for like 10+ years now....heck, even Apple's MacBook switched somewhere in 2006 ๐
zealous ibex
I'm pretty sure most modern smartphones/mobile devices are 64bit too
last mango
Yep. The Marketplace review team is an joke
zealous ibex
๐ Just adding it to all of the modules has worked for me so far ๐ค
modern perch
@zealous ibex - despite there being basically no 32-bit processors, Microsoft still sell 32-bit versions of their operating systems because fuck you
I wouldn't worry about those systems though
sinful kelp
@fallow sigil Act professional at all times when doing support, also if it's a prop pack, make an environment to showcase it
delicate dove
also, clean up your redirectors :p
sinful kelp
I just realized i pinged him at almost 2AM
delicate dove
he's american, he is having lunch atm
sinful kelp
even worse
sinful kelp
No i hate eating something then having to run over and check
Also one thing i noticed for prop packs
people are not as strict about texture sizes and polycounts as some studios are
i regularly see small props with 4k textures and 10k polys...
I personally find it a bit wasteful
fallow sigil
Haha itโs 6:48 pm, just getting home from work
Lucky for you itโs not lunchtime
Hmm, yea it will all be optimized textures and assets, textures will be 4K but cranked down in engine so you can uprez if you so feel
Good call on professional acting ๐
Yea trying to decide whether my pack should be a prop pack or an environment
@sinful kelp
delicate dove
can be a prop pack with an example env. :p
fallow sigil
Haha that makes sense. Is one preferable to the other? Or does one sell better? Does epic have guidelines for which is which?
wooden falcon
actually, I recommend the opposite. Buyers love it when you're a total ass!
๐
they also love 8k textures for tiny rocks
:/
ok, none of that is true...sorry, I'd make a terrible troll
like, a Canadian troll or something
"Your opinions are stupid! Okay...sorry aboot that, I didn't mean it"
chrome bane
Worst troll ever and ROFLMAO at 8K tiny rock textures. so true.
zealous ibex
I'd say being professional, having good screenshots & just creating the best assets you can possibly create would be what I'd recommend too.....oh, and to not loose your sanity over the MP's lacking features ๐
(Though there does seem to be hope as most of the issues/requests we've been having were in the survey, so they must be on Epic's radar)
Writing great docs is something that appears to have helped me here too, especially in not being overloaded with people not understanding things/needing help. But that's mainly for plugins/blueprint assets and may not apply to other assets. And yeah, the overview map (and a screenshot of it in your product) should help too, but I really don't have to deal with overview stuff now I'm (almost exclusively) selling plugins
For the plugin creators in here - if you guys support Linux, do you test if it works as a Linux dedicated server too, or just plug it into the editor & test it? (& do a regular package test ofc)
zealous ibex
I'd say they have probably made a รงustom licensing deal with those peole + I'm not sure what Unity's cut is like, but if it's 30% like Epic's cut is, giving a 20% discount doesn't lead to a loss & probably still covers the operating costs/etc. associated with the asset
wooden falcon
you can opt into the subscriber thing, and I believe set your discount
fallow sigil
Dang, Epic needs to get on that
zealous ibex
Yay, finally managed to update one of my assets (NetDB) to add Linux support โค Now I really hope people will actually use this ๐ค
lone mountain
He just came out of nowhere with a CCG toolkit...for more than twice the price of the one that have 36+ 4.5 reviews
I can't tell the difference though ๐ญ
zealous ibex
I guess there may be a few unique things though? And I guess competition is probably always in the customer's best interest ๐
zealous ibex
Yeah.....his marketing could do with some improvement
lone mountain
Anyway, I was going to troll with a CCG game
But, I guess I'll just get the cheaper one with 36 4.5+ reviews ๐
Also
Really sad when they don't have it multiplayer ready...
247 blueprints is so much...
Wait...what
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/ccg-toolkit is MP ready...
zealous ibex
@shut swallow Now I ain't a mod, but I'm not sure how well received posting a Unity asset you made here is. Cool it works with UE4, and I could be wrong....but just sayin' ^^
shut swallow
Well, if there isn't a problem posting stores from other websites i dont see why from unity there would be any problem
also unity takes like 2 weeks to review a item
so you know it's not a lemon
wooden falcon
isn't that a war hammer? ๐
zealous ibex
(Just for the record btw - I kind liked that hammer ๐ But I also agree with what @delicate dove said, it should probably be content created for UE4)
delicate dove
same, if you port it to ue4, we'd be happy to have it here ๐
modern perch
I picked up the first CCG toolkit and didn't like it
it's very inflexible, so you'd have a hard time making it do anything other than basically play MtG
lone mountain
@modern perch damn really...
I just wanted a quick thing to do a decent troll
and it was already MP ready, so didn't have to do much.
Don't feel like picking up the $110, and then implementing MP for it...
Oh wells. Now you know everyone.
Make a MP-ready CCG toolkit at a decent price and you will have customers
wicked pebble
@modern perch mtg? Itโs more like hearthstone.
solemn laurel
ugh, thanks for reminding me I still need to make a video for the platforming kit -_-. wayyyyyyy behind on that
ebon leaf
Great, I was gonna buy the first CCG one, now I'm not sure. Still CCG with mp kit looks a better deal.
Can anyone do a review comparison sort of vid/article? (I guess that kind of thing (YT channel / blog) might be useful for buyers in marketplace)!
zealous ibex
@ZombieBear#7805 Videos are literally the worst ๐น
(I know I had a time when I was submitting plugins almost by the week after a long holiday of doing pretty much only R&D full time for ~5 weeks (where full-time is about 60-80 hrs per week ๐), and so hated editing videos and everything associated with it for the weeks following that ๐)
Anyone know which command Epic uses to build plugin? I'm pretty sure I'm using theirs (it's pretty much the same as they used to send plugin creators), but they appear to be having a compilation issue while I'm not?
D:\Build\++Portal+Dev-Marketplace+Full\Sync\LocalBuilds\PluginTemp\HostProject\Plugins\XXX\Source\ThirdParty\XXX\inc\XXX/XXX(9): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'XXX/array': No such file or directory
``` even though the file clearly does exist ๐คAlso, out of curiocity, how would one make a CCG toolkit "flexible"/generic? Different card games' mechanics can be SO different ๐ค
modern perch
you need to break things down into appropriate 'components' (not necessarily in the Unreal sense)
i.e you have a core game state machine, in which there are defined game states for turn and sub-turn structure
you need a proper event stacking mechanism
said event stack needs to be totally generic
zealous ibex
Ah, got it. That actually makes sense ๐ค But I do get why that must be pretty difficult to implement (well)
modern perch
cards themselves also want to be totally generic, with their contents defined by subobjects etc
yeah, it's a bit tricky, but that's how all good CCGs work in theory
zealous ibex
So one wouldn't even use a datatable, right?
modern perch
you might to define the actual cards
zealous ibex
So in the ideal situation you'd have a kind of animation graph.....but for the flow of a card game right?
zealous ibex
Sorry, that's what I meant ^^ Anyway, interesting concept to make things generic/easily adaptable ๐ค I guess such principals could apply to WAY more things ๐ค
modern perch
yeah, probably
the hard part is abstracting the concept enough to make it really flexible
zealous ibex
Yep
I have so many other things to do, but just learning to apply that concept almost makes me want to try it lol
modern perch
it's a pretty good exercise, I think
learning to build well abstracted code can be very useful in systems that need to be extended later down the line, but you don't necessarily know how they'll be extended
it's something that trips up the majority of game programmers
autumn perch
Join into this discussion.
I like how hearthstone is designed.
In hs cards generally just basic classes and everything else like a spells/buffs
Basically cards casting spells, effects those spells core mechanism coded, but card possible spells / effects come from database
Adding new card with existing effect but different values is easy because you just need add to db
modern perch
Hearthstone's hard-coded card types makes it painfully inconsistent though
their stack fails and you get weird inconsistencies between cards that should interact the same way, but for whatever reason don't
the result is this mess:
https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Advanced_rulebook
modern perch
they're awful when it comes to consistency
as an example, if you have a Starving Buzzard (Whenever you summon a Beast, draw a card.) and play Tinkmaster Overspark (Battlecry: Transform another random minion into a 5/5 Devilsaur or a 1/1 Squirrel.), Buzzard will trigger and you draw a card. If you use Polymorph (Transform a minion into a 1/1 Sheep.), you don't.
Now the text says "Whenever you summon a Beast", but neither card summons a Beast, it transforms an existing minion
in any case, two cards that do the same thing yield opposite results
it's bullshit and Hearthstone is absolutely full of it
autumn perch
Yeah but that is different thing but i agree
modern perch
nah, it's the same thing - their core system hasn't been appropriately abstracted and they don't correctly use phases or stacks, resulting in these inconsistencies
autumn perch
Thats core system failure and blizz dont make any move to change
I reflected and wanna tried point out his flexibility
Which is quite good when we talking about cards
Ccg toolkit should contain minimum this flexibility to add or change cards
modern perch
IMHO, it needs to be totally abstracted, or you end up with a lot of work on your hands making it do what you need to, hehe
pearl ocean
seems like our plugin is related to itself
zealous ibex
@pearl ocean The marketplace is buggy....pretty much the "related" content is the (5?) newest releases in the same category, if your asset is among that group, that includes your asset
zealous ibex
Pretty much related isn't actually related, but just some "random" assets....just like featured isn't actually featured, but is random assets put forward by their authors
But I guess that may change some time.....man do I wish I could update my survey response....I keep thinking of new things to add ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
(May improve when tags get added though, especially if they get used sensibly and an asset tagged with dialogue will show other assets with dialogue (or synonims?) in the related content
Though that may not work either.....oh well, I have hope in your Marketplace โค
Anyway.....congrats on your release @pearl ocean ๐
pearl ocean
thx, most of the credits goes for @junior smelt tho
it took almost a month to go through the submition process
zealous ibex
& as this appears to be your first asset....welcome to the Marketplace ๐
pearl ocean
it might be our last as well ๐
pearl ocean
lol, I thought 1 month for that 5 minutes work they asked us to do in total was way too much ๐
what I don't get is why do they tell the issues one by one, why can't we get a list of all the issues in a single step
zealous ibex
Yeah, I usually don't need to update a heck of a lot , the worst are when you need to remove an old version & create an update before it's even released because they're taking so long ๐
(Had that.....multiple times)
Oh well....I will admit that it's been improving lately ๐
pearl ocean
I guess it is pretty meh to maintain a marketplace like this and maybe it is not popular enough to justify more resources
crisp rapids
It's worth investing in a marketplace and doing it right if you expect it to grow. Yet the tech industry is famous for bubbles and over-investment in ideas with low potential.
robust vector
I'm proud to say all of my plugins have multiple ratings. https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/profile/Black Fang Technologies
zealous ibex
also you can rate your own plugin, I did not do it for our plugin, but now it explains all those plugins with 1 rating and 5 stars
``` Yeah - I don't do it either....though one of my assets has a single 5 star rating which *sucks* as it may look like I did it myselfAnyway, @junior smelt
@HowToCompute how you still enduring? :smile:
``` I guess it's because I just love creating plugins, and currently have so many I "stopped" caring about single plugins taking so darn long ๐The benifit of having a plugin take super long in review is you can do multiple iteration of your documentation & get feedback from other people you know for all of those iterations resulting in the best docs I can write ๐
(currently have 4 plugins live; 4 approved/waiting to go live; 2 in-review (though those 2 that are currently in-review are plugins that require me to redo a lot of work due to a trademark issue and/or the engine completely changing & obsoleting most of it)
(Which is pretty good as said bug/change was really darn annoying)
prime willow
@robust vector looks very cool ๐ this should sell well
zealous ibex
Looking really awesome @robust vector โค
sinful kelp
no one still thinking the 30% cut is really to much?
robust vector
Of course it is.
sinful kelp
Like i would maybe get it if it went in to improving and financing the store...
robust vector
The paradox is, the more money you make, the bigger that 30% is, and the more angry you get
zealous ibex
^ So true, recently did the math & the ammount of money I gave Epic was pretty insane ๐
last mango
I literally forgot to complain about the 30% being rediculous cause i was to upset about the review teams inconsistencies
zealous ibex
^ I wish we could still add more to the survey - I keep thinking of new things ๐
last mango
I linked them the Creator Forums for reference lol
zealous ibex
๐
elfin plinth
well, 30% is still generous estimate
in worst case, it's way more
I did the math a while back but people didn't seem to care
(different countries have different taxation, but Epic still charges the same on for every such country on region, meaning Epic get's way bigger cut on low VAT countries for example)
zealous ibex
Yep
& most people loose even more to income tax/etc., most people are probably left with less than 50% of what they sell their asset for
elfin plinth
well, that's another thing
but we are now talking about initial 70/30 cut
which can actually be more like 55/45 cut
zealous ibex
True, you ever heard back from that?
elfin plinth
I never asked about that
zealous ibex
Nvm then
elfin plinth
it doesn't concern me, I'm not a seller and never will be as long as they run this joint like this ๐
I did ask them a receipt with VAT amount and they refused
zealous ibex
- if I recall correctly, my license agreement stated they can sell it for any price they desire....but I'm not 100% sure about that
elfin plinth
I still think they did wrong there
zealous ibex
Agreed, that's pretty bad
elfin plinth
but I'll just avoid doing business with them, it solves these issues
north stirrup
How does UE handle VAT outside of EU?
elfin plinth
there's no VAT outside of EU
north stirrup
TIL
elfin plinth
nothing to handle
I think some countries have their own similar taxation but only EU countries carry VAT (value added tax) from consumers
most companies can reduce them on taxation as it's a tax meant to be paid by the end user, and only once
or not user, more like the final customer
but on top of VAT bloating the Unreal Marketplace prices, they have additional raise in the price too
north stirrup
If I'm selling smthg through PayPal for instance, do I need to do smthg for VAT?
elfin plinth
usually you as a seller are responsible for handling that if you sell into EU countries, I don't really know the law that well if there's some limit for smaller foreign businesses selling to EU
there could be
it's one more reason to use some third party service as you then shift the responsibility to them
like, if you sell a game on steam, that's Valves concern then
you only get the VAT excluded share from the sales (after Valve's own cut)
at least, that's how I assume they handle that, I've never sold anything on steam so far :p
north stirrup
๐
elfin plinth
I do have steam appid, but product launch and these kind of things are pretty far in the future still
zealous ibex
I believe you can tell customers they're responsible for paying it themselves if you're outside of the EU @north stirrup. Not 100% sure about that though
zealous ibex
How on earth are the prices so high then?
I mean if I have to pay Epic way more & pay VAT to my gov ontop of that that doesn't make any sense
And there's MOSS if you're inside the EU, but you probably want to use a third party anyway....though they do charge extras
north stirrup
I'm French, so I guess I can't really do that?
elfin plinth
zealous ibex
You may be able to, but I'm not 100% sure about that
elfin plinth
that's not that common practice tho, usually people just give VAT free price if you don't have to pay VAT
zealous ibex
There's a reason I lean on things like the MP & gumroad ๐
elfin plinth
Epic has been only company I've dealt with so far who handles it like this in US
gumroad handles VAT in kinda shitty way too, you can only get VAT free price after you paid if you have VAT ID ๐
so they do refund you the VAT amount but then you probably lose it all on banking fees
north stirrup
I was looking into sellfy
zealous ibex
There may be a threshold though
zealous ibex
https://veronicapullen.co.uk/2014/12/getting-ready-comply-vat-moss-using-paypal/ this looks pretty interesting ๐ค
Oooh nice - that's lower than both paypal & stripe I think
elfin plinth
gumroad is probably one of the most popular services for this purpose tho
and people like to shop on places they already know
zealous ibex
Stripe was something like 2.6% + $.25 and paypal something like 3.6%
But in general I'd say it's probably better to go with something like gumroad, sellfy, etc. as that means the burdon of making sure your content will always remain online, handling VAT (generally), etc. isn't on you....I think
zealous ibex
Really? ๐ค
north stirrup
Will release on gumroad too
zealous ibex
But then gumroad & itch (not sure about sellfy) don't offer any APIs for getting the content, so custom launchers are out of the question (which is a deal breaker for me personally)
robust vector
I'm still sitting at 0 sales on gumroad
north stirrup
๐
viral zinc
itch have a own launcher
and you can setup the buttons per app and set the custom tools
But it install the thing in his folder so
Steam like
robust vector
I submitted Cyberneticist Zeke last night.
While we're waiting on Zeke to release, check out our other products. https://www.unrealengine.com/marketp...20Technologies
We have some special promotions running, so take advantage of these discounts while they last!
wooden falcon
nice BlackFang
robust vector
Why wait that long?
If you're expecting to get customers just from being a new release, times have changed.
Things only stay on the first page of New Content for maybe a day or two now.
Or less.
ebon leaf
Just want to test the waters here... I'm thinking about developing a "console" application for managing UE4 Dedicated servers (mass update, reboot, etc) I was wondering if you guys think there is a market for a tool like this?
sleek crypt
Is anyone else's marketplace tab taking forever to load in the epic client?
ebon leaf
Can all the items in the marketplace be used in a commercial game project?
elfin plinth
@ebon leaf according to EULA, yes
but of course when dealing with marketplace like Epic's, you always risk buying things people didn't have permit to sell to you
they usually take those out eventually, if someone reports them
and I've heard they've reported such event now to at least one customer, but my own experience has been opposite, so be cautious on anything you buy from there :p
(they didn't report to buyers in past if they had bought pirated content, I really hope they now do that for each customer in such case)
safest assets are UE4 specific, like blueprint code, as it's done for UE4
but have been cases where people have sold others free assets too
or things made from freely available UE4 tutorials
robust vector
I set my discounts higher this time than I did last event sale
Hopefully that translates to more sales
spark lodge
nice ๐
wooden falcon
I've set them to 90% off...which I've never done
so if anyone was ever interested in buying one of my packs, this sale's the time
hoping to get at least a rating or two out of it :/
ebon leaf
There was an item that was marked as not for commerical use but it's been taken down now.
delicate dove
I think generally those items dont last long on the marketplace so its not something yo should be worried about too much. and in the case where such an item suddenly dissapears you can ask the mp team whats up and in the worst case get a refund.
steady apex
Anyone knows any sound asset collection in the marketplace or any place of objects impact sounds? Not sci fi or anything. Just mundane things hitting the floor or other places.
lone mountain
oh nice
Epic actually made their own spreadsheet
what
all 80%+ are calling out to me
damn @flint snow
33% is better than nothing though
Insta Steam Party buy
Hmm, LE has some decent discounts
Bah at you @sly wyvern ๐ญ
Wait what, are they already on sale?
sly wyvern
@lone mountain we are on sale up to 40% ๐
lone mountain
@sly wyvern bah at you
And you're Up to 40% !!!
I keep eyeing some of your analytics stuff, don't need it, but I guess I wouldn't mind snatching it up at a decent discount ๐
sly wyvern
๐
wooden falcon
hmm, is this the actual order the packs will in: https://epicgames.app.box.com/s/jkue85ol0af4nagxzn39o0hb5p3regtz ? Cause if so, that would be cool ๐
lone mountain
@wooden falcon ๐
TBH, hope so, would entice folks to increase their discounts for cheapsakes impulse buyers like me ๐
hard mortar
anyone have an alternate link to half life 2 city17 apartments that was recreated in ue4. this is the mega file right from the author but its size is a problem for non mega account users
lone mountain
I am still shocked
How Epic allows Art assets to come in facing forward in Y+
Especially when you pay $300 for a weapons pack
SMH
robust vector
All of Ironbelly's stuff is Y-forward, if I remember right
lone mountain
Probably, I've never bought any of their assets
robust vector
Even though X-forward is listed as a submission requirement
lone mountain
lol
That's such a lie
I wonder how much they get paid off
Or rather, how much the auditors just DGAF
Because it's the first thing I notice whenever I open up most art packs
Shitty for programmers when they are trying to get stuff set up and the shit is not facing the right way
Shitty for the Artists who have to then export, rotate and then reimport
I mean, it's not like a super hard thing to do...but that's my point...why is this shit still being allowed on the MP
Very tedious for the end-user
gloomy bramble
MP is down
lone mountain
And..the Epic Launcher is fail
Yeah... fucking poop
So many people trying to get some shit and it crashed ๐
Yeah even website is down
GGWP
@shadow inlet you're probably sleeping
But, just in case you aren't ๐
Anyone know if the new MP folks are on here?
gloomy bramble
we have new mp folks?
robust vector
I just design my systems so that the weapon model facing is irrelevant, but it does suck that you NEED to design that way because of bad standard enforcement.
shadow inlet
waaaat?
gloomy bramble
mp is down
shadow inlet
can you access it via the site?
lone mountain
Yeah, I mean really, it should always be X+
lone mountain
Now you can
It's back up
Something's up though
I tried from Epic Launcher and Website, they were both down for a bit
robust vector
Everyone use this link to make sure its working https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/profile/Black Fang Technologies
lone mountain
rofl
shadow inlet
It's working because I looked at it ;P
lone mountain
At least the new sorting works
robust vector
Doesn't work for me
robust vector
Trying to sort by discount percentage gives "Uh oh, something went wrong."
lone mountain
I was on a roll too
gloomy bramble
lone mountain
Back up
fun times
I wonder if they are being DDOS'd
or just crazy amount of people on here now
robust vector
Its dial-up slow for me
gloomy bramble
who would ddos the mp lol
gloomy bramble
unity fans? 
robust vector
I need to stop procrastinating learning Unity
lone mountain
FML
robust vector
Its so ugly though
lone mountain
it's down again
asdfklsdlfks
I just wanna buy cheap stuff ๐ญ
Why won't it let me
robust vector
Yep, can't imagine I'm going to see many sales when the MP doesn't even work.
lone mountain
Okay, seems to be back up
robust vector
My sales reports are screwed up too actually
lone mountain
I guess if it goes down again, I'll get some sleep
leaden root
Its down for me again
robust vector
Product names are missing in my sales report
gloomy bramble
shadow inlet
You all should be clear of issues loading the website - anyone still encountering difficulties?
gloomy bramble
Seems ok now
hallow wagon
@shadow inlet Still getting 500 errors.
shadow inlet
Yeah... Reporting it internally.
ebon leaf
Just as you are about to buy the one kit that can make your game come to life, MP goes down.
Is this life giving me a sign ๐ญ
ebon leaf
CCG toolkit
hallow wagon
Hm
ebon leaf
It's half the price, no way I'm going to let this one go
lone mountain
@ebon leaf nice. Trolling shall come early with that kit
ebon leaf
trolling ๐ ?
@lone mountain
hallow wagon
Anyone still getting 500 errors?
robust vector
@shadow inlet Did you report that sales reports are now missing product names?
hallow wagon
It seems that sales only happen when I don't have much spare money. lol
lilac spade
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modern perch
spring sale starts and end before spring? lol
zealous ibex
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modern perch
the heck is the difference between these?
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/dslr-camera-gimbal
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/action-camera-gimbal
delicate dove
other camera model XD
which for some reason is allowed on mp
so if you have a pack with 100 10 polygon cubes, you can also submit same pack if they have 11 polygons
modern perch
as far as I can tell they're identical, even the preview videos look identical
it's literally just different meshes with the same materials?
delicate dove
they are, besides the camera model
modern perch
...
modern perch
stuff like this really puts me off the marketplace
real dust
I always love that material pack
modern perch
it's like the brick material packs that are all the same brick materials with a few different node variations
real dust
Where there's three different packs with different master materials
modern perch
this one uses the world aligned node!
delicate dove
wooden falcon
lol...so the sale isn't sorted by discount this time?
so now I'll be buried in the middle of 80 pages, with a 90% discount...this is going to suck
delicate dove
yuuup
which is why tags, better search function, more focussed catagories will be helpfull. but then again, so is spamming any and all social media about it :p
extra extra, read all about it!
grab necro's awesome content! 90% off!
wooden falcon
lol
delicate dove
wooden falcon
I just tweeted it, but I don't think twitter bots buy MP assets
delicate dove
hehe
modern perch
you can sort the sale by discount
you can also go into any category and sort by discount
wooden falcon
yah, how many people know to do that? ๐
modern perch
well there's a giant button with 'sort' on the right hand side?
wooden falcon
your definition of giant is different than mine
but maybe it's just the screen I'm viewing it on
wooden falcon
"Oldest First"...why would I want to see old packs first?
modern perch
who knows, but you can
wooden falcon
I feel like it's not that obvious:
an actual button with a border, perhaps on the left of the screen would have been more obvious to me
ebon leaf
ue4 marketplace has had my account
lcoked
for like 3 weeks now
they are usually really good about contacting me but someone dropped the ball
feelsbadman
gonna miss the whole sale
shadow inlet
@ebon leaf - will you shoot me a private message with some details so I can follow up with the team?
ebon leaf
@shadow inlet Thanks, I messaged you.
wooden falcon
thx for the retweet @zealous ibex !
zealous ibex
No problemo ๐ Hope this sale goes well for you!
flint snow
thanks @lone mountain ๐
shadow inlet
Are you all still seeing duplicate entries? We haven't repro'd this from our side.
Any info about repro steps, sort/filter options, specific products, web/launcher/both, etc. would be incredibly helpful!
zealous ibex
^ Not always 100% true
wooden falcon
I don't see the dupes I saw before
zealous ibex
You'll generally tend to get a ton of sales, but due to the potential sales lost & the way smaller revenue/sale it's probably only a little more, but I could be wrong
But yeah - when having pretty large discounts my revenue does skyrocket compared to an average month, but the month(s) after is always a huge pain
wooden falcon
I'd rather get a rating or two out of it than large sales
zealous ibex
Interested in getting my hands on the sale data though
Yeah - I'm hoping there's going to be a few more ratings too
shadow inlet
Okie - if someone catches it, let me know please!
wooden falcon
thx Amanda!
shadow inlet
Also, @robust vector, I pinged the teams about the sales report. Will follow up once I hear something.
๐
shadow inlet
Are others missing product names as well?
zealous ibex
I had that this morning, but it appears to have been fixed
(got a 500 error and once that was gone/when I last checked it was fine again)
shadow inlet
Ah, good to know. Thanks!
ebon leaf
has anyone used the waterfall tool by jimbo?
buoyant cradle
so I still can't search the Spring Sale by category?
wooden falcon
๐
flint snow
twitch works looks prety neat, @zealous ibex just picked that one up.
ebon leaf
wow cant believe i've had to refund a marketplace asset never had this issue before
delicate dove
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/masonry-pack-10
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/masonry-pack-11
spot the difference, also lol the url names vs the pack names
ebon leaf
@delicate dove one has more tiling than the other ๐ whats my prize?!?!?!
robust vector
Product names are back in my sales report, so that's good.
wooden falcon
I swear the only difference is he put a higher tiling value in the v axis, @delicate dove
zealous ibex
Thanks & cool @flint snow ๐ Let me know if you're experiencing any issues ๐
wooden falcon
I feel that if you had the capability to fabricate those mace flanges, that you could make a proper shaft/handle that wasn't a mag-light: https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/screenshot045-1920x1080-63aadb86249c66950a80c048f2d0ff50.jpg
wooden falcon
I do like his pipe club/axe thingie: https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/product/Screenshot/PostApocalypticScrapyardVolume1_Screenshot1-1920x1080-1a96bf73d092f01d74a5c490c206ce5d.jpg
wicked pebble
What's the logic behind having pages if you're just going to jumble and randomize the assets again
wooden falcon
I dunno, stuff is funky
robust vector
Feel free to add you own thoughts. I'd love to get as many perspectives on it as possible.
Man, I love having that red notification thingy on the forums and then I go check what it is and have nothing in the message center. Hope it wasn't anything important.
sly wyvern
@shadow inlet it's not a problem with duplicated items but with random position of assets, every time I refresh website (on the same page), there are see different items! If it's random, it's why some people see "duplicated items" because sometimes the same item were drawn on the page for example 4 and later on the page 17.
sinful kelp
Still a pretty new seller here. Does everyone get an email request for sale participation or is it limited?
robust vector
Every seller is supposed to receive the invites for event sales.
However, due to the way they are worded, they always either end up in my spam folder, or in GMail's 'Promotions' category.
lunar fractal
Same, have not received anything. But then again, only 1 asset and very new ๐
delicate dove
some other people been complaining on the forums about not being contacted
lunar fractal
Wouldn't seem that hard, send mail to one mailing list ?๐ค
robust vector
Only 16 views on my sale announcement post. So glad Epic decided to downgrade the forum and kill our only real marketing tool.
wooden falcon
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hallow wagon
waxen jay
@hallow wagon you can do this yourself, google "rich text box". This feature is within the engine, just not exposed
hallow wagon
You can use html with it?
waxen jay
um i think its a bit different than html5
waxen jay
i have it on my own project, bu only used it few times. its html as far as I remember, just limited a bit
robust vector
Really disappointing sales today. Hopefully they pickup tomorrow.
solemn prism
I have not been paid yet and I am assuming it is the same for other people
Give it a day or two
serene bridge
Missed the invitation email for the sale and didn't hear about it til today, so disappointed ๐ฆ
lunar fractal
Epic Fail
flat pollen
lean venture
I'm interested in submitting 2 code plugins and I'd like to hear what were people's experience with the process in the last half a year or so. Epic dragged my first plugin submission for almost 6 months, while also being partly animated by my borderline inappropriate e-mails and reaching out to staff members in person. Mainly, I'd like to know if the submission times have been reduced and secondly, if the reviewers are still as badly underqualified to reject it based on quirks (i.e. typos in comments). Thanks!
robust vector
Recently I heard somebodies had been held up for a few months because the reviewer kept unzipping the new versions of the plugin over an old version without deleting the old version.
oak thistle
Haha. That just fits so perfectly with my image of the kind of thing that goes on inside Epic's MP submisson system ๐
delicate dove
plugin submission should be a bit more streamlined nowadays, but there are still weird occurences where packs are accepted or rejected because the reviewer woke up on the wrong side of the bed
delicate dove
"my planet needs me"
ebon leaf
literally lol XD
ebon leaf
ffs XD im dead
modern perch
we have one of those in the UK too
wooden falcon
Not a bad day! I guess 90% was the way to go. Still, hurts to see the base prices so low...although the total take is higher than I got from all of the last sale:
I guess people do use the filter ...sorry I doubted you ambershee ๐
modern perch
hehe
sinful kelp
Meanwhile I'm still waiting for my email ๐ค ๐ซ
ebon leaf
@wooden falcon wow thats nice
wooden falcon
yah, it's probably more than I've sold in my entire MP existence
well, numbers wise
ok, maybe not...but it's more than I've sold in the last couple of years for sure ๐
delicate dove
in the meantime on planet unity
https://i.gyazo.com/a6692b0f5fe7a68b8fd60f7e0ee0165d.png
lean venture
@wooden falcon I admit I have absolutely no use for your products, but I bought the 2 material packs simply because they were 90% off #filter-confirmation
wooden falcon
lol
lean venture
And because they looked cool, goes without saying
wooden falcon
thx ๐
lean venture
Same for some of @zealous ibex 's plugins
sinful kelp
@wooden falcon Jesus Christ that font...
wooden falcon
yah, and "resolutionution"...do people not read what they write?
delicate dove
https://i.gyazo.com/d5a510161918bbc022874ae7950cdc40.png
wait, a fraud transaction notification before it shows on my daily?
omg
I think I have a tear in my eye
delicate dove
reported! :p
wooden falcon
how has everyones' sales been going?