It requires that someone who owns an asset shares a file, but that file is like 2kb
#fab
gaunt flicker
Mp team, you, chance, alex, apparently sweeney
In 2015 and 2016
Admittedly its not easy and would require crowdsourcing
The problem is pirate sites are already crowdsourcing the exact file needed
Sooooo
sleek egret
Gotcha
robust vector
Too bad about those lost sales
gaunt flicker
Some are even asking for it explicitly
robust vector
Oh well
sleek egret
Someone did mention this to me today. I need to follow up with you on other stuff anyway. I'll poke around and see what's happening there.
gaunt flicker
Code Plugins and Learn projects dont work though
Yet
I feel like I could get them to work if I sunk a day or two into it
sleek egret
Let me follow up with you tomorrow on it. Probably over e-mail because official channels and I can access it where ever
gaunt flicker
Ayyye
sleek egret
Was there anything else you broke and/or fixed today that you need me to know about with any urgency
In regards to the seller portal at least?
sleek egret
Well I mean you did
sleek egret
right now it's just text and images because the idea is we would like for the content pipeline to be super secure and not accessible to people who would do terrible things
robust vector
In the new system are we going to get a human to confirm receipt of update files? Kinda sucks waiting with no communication not knowing if anyone even got the update you sent.
gaunt flicker
I also have an asset that had its 1st and 3rd review approved... long story... but its not in the seller portal under any of the non published side categories
Is it supposed to be there or not yet?
sleek egret
@robust vector That's more of a process change than a feature change. The ideal solution is you don't need us to update your files because you have to update maybe 1 - 10 assets and that's easier than waiting on us. For now yeah we can change up that process to make sure you get at least the acknowledgement the update is in.
robust vector
Atm I have no idea if you guys even got my 4.17 update for Look Alive
You don't ever respond to emails
sleek egret
@gaunt flicker It's probably in that weird pocket of not being live but also not being submitted.
gaunt flicker
In the past I sent tracked urls to the mp team for my updates
robust vector
So if that could change, that would be great
sleek egret
@robust vector Let me take a look since I'm logged in
gaunt flicker
¯_(ツ)_/¯
So far, sending links to the mp team to your files that also send yourself tracking data seems to be the best way to know if your file has been touched
leaden root
Smart idea haha
gaunt flicker
I think some file hosts will do this for you too, not sure
sleek egret
@robust vector Found you. Raised the priority on your ticket and answered it so you have a response and when to expect action
robust vector
interesting
gaunt flicker
Not really important at all, but I can't seem to reset my password on unrealengine's zendesk xD
sleek egret
Weird but good to know
gaunt flicker
Portal does look great though
Its visual overhaul went far forward
At the sacrifice of the forums <_<
robust vector
The forums aren't so bad if you use a magnifying glass / sunglasses combo
leaden root
Has a game ever taken say a clothing pack off the marketplace and sold them as microtransactions ingame?
zealous ibex
So....they don't even reply to rejected requests? 🤔
Also, the marketplace seller is available under my personal settings, but kinda broken
on my seller account
modern perch
"So far, sending links to the mp team to your files that also send yourself tracking data seems to be the best way to know if your file has been touched"
@gaunt flicker - I did that with design tests I sent out when applying to jobs earlier this year
it's how I know Creative Assembly never even looked at the (enormous) test they asked me to do before rejecting the application
4000 word, 10 question essay including research questions, and they never read it
gaunt flicker
Well thats shit
modern perch
yup
complete waste of my time, and it took quite a lot of time too
most other companies do design tests that take me maybe an evening, but theirs took me an entire week
needless to say they're no longer on my Christmas card list.
zealous ibex
That sucks man 😐
fleet garnet
@sleek egret Can we apply for the beta access if we don't have any new assets to submit, I wanna see what it is about
zealous ibex
Oh, and mind sending an email to the people that didn't get accepted 😛 It'd be appreciated 😉
sleek egret
@fleet garnet Yeah we're rolling people in gradually to make sure that we can get an idea of critical things to fix
@zealous ibex I want more plugin people in so I'll grab yours in the next batch
zealous ibex
Ah, awesome 👍
I will admit that I have a plugin that I'd like to use that is in initial stages of submission (they recently asked me to send the files, still working on that). I stated this in my email too, so I hope it's possible to still participate 😃 Anyway, thanks for your reply 😃
sleek egret
If it's early what we can do is this: Send in the submission form again but add a note saying this is a resubmission
We'll close the new ticket and continue communication in the original ticket but your submission will be in the new system for us to use
zealous ibex
👍 Will do. The current state is the marketplace team awaiting me to send them the plugin's files. Anyway, that sounds great! Look forward to trying out the new system/giving some feedback 😃
sleek egret
Great 😃 I'll keep an eye out for your e-mail!
gaunt flicker
wooden falcon
jon jone's twitter feed is hilarious
zealous ibex
Oh my 😛 I love that emote 😛
wooden falcon
is there a unicorn one?
zealous ibex
😛 lol
gaunt flicker
manic jasper
https://80.lv/articles/tim-sweeney-talks-unfairness-behind-app-stores/... Just gonna leave this here..
wooden falcon
yah, saw that
is Epic looking to create a digital store?
for non-epic games, that is
gaunt flicker
Its already known that they have OnlineSubsystemMCP which is probably capable of that
wooden falcon
so maybe this is all rumbling to suddenly go "We have a store, and we only charge 10%!" or something
and then the MP gets kicked in the nuts as the red-headed stepchild it is, gets even less support 😃
well, Harvey's about to plow right over me, so the lack of a response on my MP submission probably won't be bothering me much soon :/
gaunt flicker
Harvey?
gaunt flicker
Harvey knows email doesn't matter when you have no house
wooden falcon
lol, yah
gaunt flicker
Sometimes I look at my asset art and feel bad
Then I remember the art for audio packs
Love it.
flint snow
^^ hehe, my programmer art is so lackluster.. 🎨
gaunt flicker
I now just buy stock footage
Here is my trailer for an asset that I've been trying to get out.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjY7nUkbqjw
flint snow
i did just draw a nifty chat bubble for my pack, but that is about as far as my skills get pushed for drawing... stock footage is a great idea, i use audiojungle for videos ect..
Lots of Buttons!, its a great marketting style Allar with the slight comedy.. fun to watch.
gaunt flicker
I'm going to try to use the video of a woman spilling coffee on her laptop in every marketplace trailer
flint snow
lol, i thought you had used that before, kind of like a branding technqiue
i have to make a trailer this weekend for a new pack, its my least favorite thing to do, a trailer... the editing drains my soul...
viral zinc
@gaunt flicker Ha that looks more or less to the thing I was doing for market aswell xDDD
Congrats
zealous ibex
I had to edit like 7 or so trailers in the last few months, I now hate creating them 😛
viral zinc
@zealous ibex what tools you use ?
for things like that 3D logo or that what you use guys ?
zealous ibex
I'm forced to use lightworks, it's the only free edior out there that isn't completely torture to use for me as an ex-premiere pro user 😛
(I still hate it though, and the free version can merely export 720p 😐 )
And paint.net, it's supprisingly good for some basic test overlaying 😛
viral zinc
XD
zealous ibex
Poor man's marketplace tools ¯_(ツ)_/¯
viral zinc
okok ty
zealous ibex
Awesome trailer @gaunt flicker 👍 Sounds like a pretty useful component too 🤔
worn oyster
@gaunt flicker every good commercial gives a free knife set
and mentions it fits under your bed
zealous ibex
Still no 4.17 update, it's been 2 weeks epic...
viral zinc
@zealous ibex that its a common looks like
zealous ibex
Yep, it is quite unproffesional though 🤔
night meteor
@zealous ibex How exactly does the updating work?
Do you just submit the new Plugin Version and Epic will test it?
zealous ibex
Not even sure if they test it, I'm pretty new to MP plugins
night meteor
I wonder why you can't just update Plugins and they are immediately available :/
zealous ibex
Risks I'd suppose
Plugins are able to nuke a user's computer (=install a virus/encrypt the HDD/etc.), or worse 😐
robust vector
Pretty trivial to deliberately fail somebodies ssd, and there's no recovery for that
zealous ibex
So I've had ~4 mins with the new seller portal, and I believe I have found atleast 1 issue already 😛 Guess I'd better get bug report filing lol
(The new portal looks great though, and there's so many new features ❤ )
silver moat
Don't use the "Hide" feature if you hide your product you can't make it visible again.
zealous ibex
O.o
One of my hidden products just dissapeared (it was hidden by the MP team a while back as they accidentally released it too early)
silver moat
send email
zealous ibex
I'll file a bug report later today ^^
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with what I've seen so far, it gives me some more faith in the marketplace ^^
robust vector
Submitted my first bug report
Not exactly impressed with the new seller portal yet
Its prettier I guess?
Can't update my price because I have a : in my title, which I refuse to change.
So does the new sales report show all sales and all refunds, or only same-day nets?
zealous ibex
Seems to be nets still
And bummer your experience hasn't been that good 😦 I have found quite a few bugs/issues, but there does seem to be a lot of potential for improvement here once they iron out the bugs (which is why this is a beta, not a finished product 😉 )
Oh btw, is it just me or did the rating stars break? None of the products seem to have them working for me, even when I force-reload (ctrl+r)
upbeat cradle
Yea, stars are gone.
zealous ibex
O.o
ebon leaf
lol
everyone else does 😛 as soon as they remove that system so others cant and I don't have to do it to remain competitive, I'll stop 😛
if you don' t atm you are just silly tbh 😛
zealous ibex
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ebon leaf
that said, with 71 ratings, my one doesn't make much difference 😛
zealous ibex
I'm quite happy with my ratings actually, 5 stars/8 ratings on ConfigBP & 4.6 or something w/ 16 (or so) ratings on InventorySystem ¯_(ツ)_/¯
(no, I am NOT asking you to give ConfigBP a 1 star rating to mess up that statement, you heard me @ebon leaf! 😉 )
ebon leaf
uh, excuse me? that's clearly a feature not a bug 🤓
zealous ibex
😛
upbeat cradle
Testing in production, hiss
robust vector
If I didn't rate my products, some of them would have no rating
robust vector
Epic doesn't do much to let us provide incentive for rating and comments.
We can't contact customers directly
I'd like to give a little "How was your experience with the product? What could be improved? Would you like to provide a rating on the Marketplace?" out to my peeps
ebon leaf
My highest attachment rate for ratings is roughly 8.5:1, as in for every 8.5 purchases one person rates. From what I understand taht is obscenely high compared to a lot of assets (including my other ones). Couple that with the fact that you can almost 100% garuntee your competition rate their own packs... like I said, you're silly if you don't do it lol
robust vector
I'd like to offer people a mailing list for when I put out new products and updates as well
ebon leaf
yeah
That's all stuff they have said is coming with this big update in prior discussions... whether that remains the case or not...
robust vector
If marketplace could build that in as something customers could opt-in to that would be great
ebon leaf
I also think it's important to be able to communicate to customers if a major bug is found in a pack and you update it...
robust vector
Is there a way to update products through the new portal?
Or am I still supposed to send files by email?
zealous ibex
I believe you can't add filess,but that's still a bit unclear to me
You can update code plugin versions though 😉
(going in as a possible bug in my next bug report, as plugin versions are supposed to be hard-coded in the uplugin file, and settings versions shouldn't be a thing or it could cause confusion/there isn't a reason to do that)
robust vector
How do you do that if you can't add files? You mean by marking existing files as compatible?
robust vector
That would be a big no-no as you need to update the engine version number in the .uplugin file
The consequences could be dire
zealous ibex
Correct, hence why I'm filing it as a possible bug whenever I submit my bug report forms 😛
Anyway, there is a create new version button @robust vector, but you aren't able to use it 🤔
zealous ibex
plugin files? You may have to wait a while 😐
(sent my 4.17 update 2 weeks ago today, still not been processed)
I know I was late as heck, but still, 2 weeks (and more for some) sucks 😦
robust vector
I have 2 out of 3 updated now. I waited to submit this one because it was less important than the other 2
zealous ibex
Makes sense, hope it gets processed soon 😃
tame wasp
Really disappointed with marketplace releases lately, just material/sound fx spam 😦
lone mountain
@tame wasp What are you looking for?
tame wasp
I like game templates, enviroments and asset packs. Maybe I'm bias since I'm a designer 😛
quaint cedar
Who made the steam party plugin again?
lone mountain
The $99 one?
lone mountain
I think @flint snow
Like 99% sure
Why @quaint cedar you jealous?
And why are all the mods hiding lol
lone mountain
No idea, just random question
quaint cedar
I'm only on my phone
quaint cedar
Yeah. Docs aren't really available and Moss wiki entry has no code exmaples
Uworks is something else though
Or does it expose party beacons too
viral zinc
oh how you dare Moss to don't add code samples 
lone mountain
@lean venture ^^
I was going to snip his response to that asset
But it's missing from the comments section now?
Oh... there's no page numbers
Anyway, looks like you're correct though
flint snow
yup, SteamParty is my doing 😃
zealous ibex
Cool stuff @flint snow 👍
flint snow
thanks man 😃
lone mountain
@flint snow Make Steam great again
flint snow
lol, to do that it needs to be completely overhauled
thats why i made steamparty, i was pretty frustrated with the default system, not really usable on a released game.
by that i mean, there is no way to play with friends on the default system with out doing a mapload to a friend lobby server & don't advertise for nonfriends, and then when friends are all in, turn on advertising for other players to fill in the spot.. clunky
then, if you want to move to dedicated servers.... another whole set of problems with steam game server you don't get to find out till you are actually using it.. learned the hard way.. lol
and the fact that you have to commit and mapload to a lobby to play is crazy especially if that server gets full before fully load,ed you get kick back out... ect.
...hehe you got me started on my steam rant.. 😛
I do plan on making videos for the dedicated servers when i can, to go over some of the pitfalls i faced.
lone mountain
TBH, there should be a list going about which marketplace assets are 100% compatible and complement each other well
I know that's a tough thing to ask for
But, at least in this case, Steam stuff, probably a lot of people would like to know what to grab, what they will need, why they need it, and from where
Definitely need more Steam/Multiplayer assets though
flint snow
^ +1
fleet garnet
oooohhhhh ok 😃
if we had notifications for comments it would be great, I just saw I have some unanswered comments
flint snow
^^ i would love that, it would be speedier for replies 😃 you also have a comment section for your studio page, which i was unaware for awhile 😃
fleet garnet
that also exists?...
how are the sales going this month?
mine sucked big time, it wasn't too bad because that massive sale was this month but everything after that was very weak
zealous ibex
That sucks 😦
Mine've gone quite well, but then again, I've been featured on the front page for almost 2 weeks now, so got a lot of sales with my new asset
Wait, the net sales amount is gone under the new portal?! Nuuuuuu
ebon leaf
omfg the totals are gone. is that what you meant? that's fucking stupid
zealous ibex
Yeah, and agreed that that is stupid 😛
ebon leaf
i have a spreadsheet of my own that adds it all up, gives me averages and sales over x periods and shit, but goddamn that's dumb
zealous ibex
Yeah, I should probably create myself a scrapper 🤔
(if only they'd provide APIs for like everything, especially purchase verification)
summer jacinth
Does anyone have the new rubric for the marketplace?
I cant find it with this new forum update
fleet garnet
Anyone else not having any sales for the past 5 days, it usually doesn't happen so I'm trying to see if this is the result of that big sale or it is something else
ebon leaf
I had 3 yesterday.
robust vector
I haven't had any since the 23rd
Could just be WebEZ reaching complete global saturation
ebon leaf
day before yesterday was my only day of 0 sales in the last week
so it's definitely been working, but sales are pretty slow atm
robust vector
Obsidian RPG Weapons only got 2 sales
So, I think things post summer sale are slow in general
Either that or nobody makes anything besides shooters
ebon leaf
bit of column a, bit of column b 😛
robust vector
Probably takes a lot more resources to make RPGs tbh
Hopefully when I get some sets for other elements out they will do some sort of Captain Planet thing that result in more sales
Melee combat is also harder to program than projectiles and traces. That's probably also a factor
fleet garnet
This month is weird, I have random spikes in sales, 4 sales pop up from nowhere and then nothing for days
ebon leaf
So... looks like the "ArchViz Ocean Shader" that went from $15 to $150 overnight (adding "ArchViz" in front of your asset, apparently, makes it 10x more valuable XD) is back to being called "Ocean Water Material" and selling for $30 now... but the creator hasn't addressed any of the questions about the price hike... I guess tiny wins count as progress
robust vector
I can't blame him if he actually got sales at that price, as long as nothing about the product was deceptive
ebon leaf
Renaming the same product, without altering it at all, to try and cash in on that is deceptive and anti-consumer as far as I'm concerned. That said - we have no way to know if he actualyl changed anythign or not (if he did change it - that's totally fine - but he simply wasn't responsive to comments and questions - and still isn't, despite having left a comment on ther enow)
gaunt flicker
AAA ArchViz
gaunt flicker
AAAArchViz
robust vector
Maybe he unoptimized it to make it more arch vis
gaunt flicker
The As are for more Arches
ebon leaf
lol 😂
robust vector
The screenshots look good? Just not $150 good. More like $5 good.
Its only one material
oh wait
It doesn't tile or scale properly according to comments
- $6
ebon leaf
yeah... you can't see the rating but it's sitting about about 2.5/5.
He originally listed it for I think $70, then over a month or two dropped it down in price a few times until it was $15
then one day, slapped "archviz" in the title and set it to $150 lol
robust vector
Seems like a lot of work put into nonsense instead of things to increase value, like proper tiling and scaling
gaunt flicker
Linter has a 1 star rating that tilts my average hard because someone thought it was a scam <_<
robust vector
There's always one guy willing to break your 5-star streak
gaunt flicker
I wouldn't mind it if he genuinely hated it
But it turned into a series of emails about how im a scammer
sigh
And even more annoying it was from an employee of someone who I hired once
siiiigh
solemn prism
Anyone know what is taking epic so long to update stuff on the Marketplace?
robust vector
incompetence?
gaunt flicker
aye
gaunt flicker
Last official word is because of training
robust vector
"training"
solemn prism
When was that? @gaunt flicker
gaunt flicker
Training takes work, yo
Aye, I have no idea when that official word was
Awhile ago
solemn prism
ok
robust vector
I think maybe they mixed up "training" with "trepanning"
"We keep drilling holes but they don't get any faster at reviewing submissions..."
solemn prism
Just tired of waiting for generic shooter and other stuff to update. I need to update my project :\
I also want to buy generic interaction component
I know that this is NOT on you @gaunt flicker I am just tired of waiting on epic
robust vector
Buy directly from seller?
gaunt flicker
I could
gaunt flicker
Itch is great, but I often forget to update it
gaunt flicker
If I go to another marketplace 'for real', I'm going to go all out and make it part of my business model
solemn prism
ok
robust vector
I think you can email epic to grant marketplace entitlements? Nobody has asked me to do this yet, but it seems to be on option.
solemn prism
I never ask for entitlement from the marketplace
gaunt flicker
I would love to grant entitlements for Itch purchases
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
Let me show you the marketplace api we have access to:
gaunt flicker
No
solemn prism
awwww
gaunt flicker
Once again let me show you the marketplace api we have access to:
solemn prism
ok
robust vector
Are you going to link a drawing of a dick-butt? I feel like you're going to link a drawing of a dick-butt captioned "marketplace api"
solemn prism
I will shut up for a moment
robust vector
lol
solemn prism
LOL
WUT?
That is terrible
:\
@gaunt flicker I am just tired of waiting on epic
solemn prism
Ah fair enough
solemn prism
Derp
solemn prism
So what currently is going on with the marketplace?
gaunt flicker
Other than that, offical word is 'training'
solemn prism
ok
gaunt flicker
It allows us to edit screenshots and text, kind of like the last change to the old portal
But submission process has changed
solemn prism
What changed?
gaunt flicker
I haven't submitted an asset yet under the new pipeline
A new pipeline, apparently
solemn prism
ok
gaunt flicker
I haven't submitted yet
solemn prism
I mean I was asking as a general question for the chat sorry :p
solemn prism
@zealous ibex How is the pipeline for the new marketplace portal?
I am making a bunch of animations using the control Rig tool
Might sell them Dunno
gaunt flicker
Everyone go post on this thread, whooo <_< https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/marketplace/126014-dear-epic-please-update-marketplace-products
Or not
I'm not a cop
ebon leaf
I want epic to take longer processing updates
its like wine
the longer it takes the better it tastes
wait, I don't like wine
I retract my previous statement
zealous ibex
I was going to submit one of my previously submitted assets (they told me it was allowed as I only really wrote up the initial review thing, didn't send them the files yet), but turns out it's already shown up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
From what I've seen I may quite well like the new pipeline 😃
ebon leaf
Epic changing things never makes things worse anyways looks at the forums... never
zealous ibex
😛
Interesting proposal @gaunt flicker 🤔
recently (3 weeks ago) sent them an email about SOLVING BUYER VERIFICATION REQUIRED READ-ONLY SERVICES asking if I had any way to automate this (giving 3 proposed solutions)....never heard back 🤦
(I think I have 10 marketplace tickets awaiting their reply now ¯_(ツ)_/¯)
I wanna create even moar assets, but I think I'd better give it a break
ebon leaf
ding ding ding! We have a winner! HowToCompute come on down! How does it feel to be epic's most ignored ticket creator? XD
zealous ibex
😛 Horrible, it makes me loose all hope
But hey, the marketplace remains my only real option to turn my hobby in to a buisness ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ebon leaf
yah lol
zealous ibex
(buisness -> self-financing hobby)
I mean I can live with it, but it's annoying as all heck
I don't look forward to the 4.20 update when all of my 8 plugins are live
(atleast, I think it's 8, I honestly lost track LMAO)
ebon leaf
lol you think you're gonna have packs out by then... half glass full ey 😂
zealous ibex
*8
😛 Hm true, I was thinking 4.20 would be far away, but one of my plugins seems to have gotten stuck at legal review for almost a month now
(they probably lost my ticket as allar'd call it, I should send them another email to get lost 🤔)
Yeah just looked at my trello board, I have 7 plugins in submission, 0 WIP and 1 live
Man, that's a lot of plugins 😮
I need to make that 9 plugins though, 10's a way better number of assets to have online than 9 🤔
But then again, that'll be yet another source of stress when ue4.99 releases 🤔
ebon leaf
problem solved
zealous ibex
And then again, I WANT MY PURCHASE VERIFICATION API
ebon leaf
😠
zealous ibex
It's currently like #1 on my MP wishlist
It'd open up so many possibilities for porting side projects over to the marketplace ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I really need to set up my own store some day & push that as the marketplace alternative to my assets, but first step #1, become a well known & loved MP creator 🤔 (as having your own store allows for better user tracking, giving out serial keys, etc.)
zealous ibex
Anyone know what the MPs terms are on linking dynamic libraries you can't distribute? As in, could I create a plugin that would dynamically load in a company's SDK dll (if found) and sell it if the buyer would the the one obtaining (the free dll) & placing the dll the correct place? (I know this sounds random, but if it where allowed I could create something pretty awesome ❤ )
(I know how it works for static libs, but don't really want to wait >1mo for epic to respond to my question.....if they respond at all 😐 )
fleet garnet
Simple callback from the Mp to our server with all the purchase info would be awesome
zealous ibex
Yeah, agreed
That'd be a horrible API design because it doesn't offer anything if your server is down, but it'd be a heck of a lot better than what we have right now
fleet garnet
Eh, better than nothing 😉
zealous ibex
Yep 😛
oak thistle
I've had a plugin sat doing nothing for months because I couldn't face dealing with MP submission situation. So then recently they send out the beta email, asking for help, so I figured yeah I don't mind submitting it now and see how things are.
And they can't even be bothered to respond to me, offering to take part in response to their request.
I don't expect to necessarily be accepted, but to just ignore people responding to their request is just beyond my understanding.
zealous ibex
^ Yeah, that supprised me too, I'd quickly DM stephanie (or tag her) stating you're a plugin creator as I believe they're on the lookout for those
oak thistle
Thanks for the suggestion. I could, but I'm stubborn and have no intention of chasing them up on it.
If this is how they choose to treat their community, then fine. I just accept it, and factor it into my future decisions.
worn oyster
if u get a mesh from the MP they are allways triangulated?
robust vector
Considering Unreal Engine, same as most game engines, only uses triangles, yes?
worn oyster
perhaps u also get an non tri fbx?
robust vector
why?
worn oyster
its harder to modify em with trist
zealous ibex
Hm true @oak thistle, I really can't blame 'ya for that and sort of agree. Hope it improves though 😃
I guess I'll just end up sucking up to whatever BS epic throws at us when it comes to update times/response times/etc., I really do wish it would be better though 😐
robust vector
I need to learn Unity for the sake of porting, but its really hard to go from UE4 to Unity
robust vector
Ugh
The forum is still disgusting
Really makes it hard to check in on support threads
heady moth
Forums is not really a topic for this channel :)
zealous ibex
It's related to marketplace assets management, which is 100% on topic 😉
And possibly extends to marketing, which is marketplace related (kinda)
robust vector
Pretty sure marketplace support threads and ability to check them are important to overall functionality of the marketplace
zealous ibex
Also, looking at the topic, Come here to discuss the Unreal Marketplace. Authors and customers are both encouraged to share their experiences. we are sharing our experiences about the whole experience
Unless you're limiting the experience to unrealengine.com/marketplace only, in which case we can't even discuiss content I'd suppose 😛
(sorry, I'll STFU)
robust vector
Release threads also being important to actually seeing any sales, unless you are fortunate enough to get on the featured pages
heady moth
That is on point, but i've seen talking about just the general forums. As long as it's marketpalce forums, it's related
zealous ibex
Fair enough I'd suppose
And yeah, the less threads per page default is killing exposure 😐
robust vector
Has anyone from Epic actually made a statement on how they decide which products are 'featured'?
heady moth
That is really bad indeed, but telling Epic hasn't had effect for now
zealous ibex
I honestly don't know anymore
heady moth
And there was something, very long ago
zealous ibex
I've been featured for a little over 2 weeks, and I really don't mind, don't get me wrong, but well.....I really don't know how they decide on featured content
heady moth
but they change their rules and guidelines faster than they change their coffee
zealous ibex
😛 Product image sizes would be a good example of that lol
heady moth
Without letitng anyone know
zealous ibex
Like literally, one email is 512x512 and the next is 284x284 😛
heady moth
Every info you find, has 2-3 other pages that directly contradict that info
zealous ibex
(so I tend to create a 512x5123, 284x284 and 128x128 one now 😉 )
robust vector
Its proven that text on your image increases clicks, but its hard to do that when you have no idea if it will be cropped off or not
zealous ibex
Yeah, the 2 submission pages thing sucks 😐
Yeah that too, I really hate(d) that embearressment
heady moth
For a while they also added a black overlay border :p
Which my image already had so it was extremely dark
zealous ibex
😛
heady moth
That was almost 2y ago tho
don't think they still do that
They also have had a image showing the wrong folder structure as the correct one for 2 years
I pointed that out 7 times
it never got fixed :p
robust vector
They don't enforce it for everyone anyway
Heck, if you're Ironbelly you don't even have to put your content in one folder
I wonder what kind of bribes they are paying with how few rules apply to them 😛
heady moth
They also undermine any of the issues listed in https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/marketplace/1343230-epic-founder-app-store-takes-too-much-with-30-cut-ue4-market-to-lower-theirs/page2
Tells us we have to post in creator hub, which we do with 4-page threads of people complaining about the same issue and only 1 response from epic on the first page
robust vector
Yeah, I've been using some of their weapons in a personal project. Extremely inconsistent and strange naming conventions. Content split across multiple folders. Directory structure all over the place. Assets are mixed Y forward and X forward. All sorts of violations that should have stopped the content from being uploaded like that
And yet, they have all those packs on the MP while other creators get rejected for their splash screen being where it is supposed to be.
Strange indeed
lone mountain
@heady moth good thread
Wondered when one would show up
After Tim's little speech
heady moth
We've been debating when to post publically for a long time, but the problem is that Epic fanboys who love Epic will undermine any of the issues
lone mountain
I just want the MP to be more stable before I actually seriously commit to it.
I have so many good ideas
heady moth
We've seen it happen before and it's happenin gon that thread as well
If it were stable I'd create content again
but it's just not worth it
it took more than 2 months to release a pack
lone mountain
But I just don't feel like it is to my benefit yet to jump in there at this time with all this BS.
heady moth
and I know people are at 3 months with some
robust vector
Skeletronix was around 11 months from submission to release. It was 3 or 4 versions out of date when it finally went for sale
heady moth
Well I know plugins are longer
lone mountain
I mean, for me it would be a side gig. Not my main source of income. But still, I guess I am just not that patient.
heady moth
mine took like 4 months
but 11 months? that's the longest I've heard so far
It's outrageous
But, we have no power in the matter
robust vector
I think Look Alive was around 5 and WebEZ was about 3
WebEZ and Frozen RPG Weapons were submitted about the same time
No updates on the weapons for a while though
heady moth
We've been promised a one-week response time by the end of august
We're still far off
and I don't know how one can assume a one-weel response time is acceptable for buz-to-buz relationships
if i'd ignore my clients for a week, they'd be pissed off
zealous ibex
2-3mo? You're lucky if you get those review times 😛
We've been promised a one-week response time by the end of august when/where did they promise that @Celeste 🍕#4080? 😛
robust vector
I somehow doubt we are going to see that kind of response time
zealous ibex
^ agreed
I think my worst times have been ~1mo between me sending and them replying, but it could quite well be worse on one of the tickets I've sent them
robust vector
I have sent plenty emails that they don't reply to at all
silver moat
1 Week response time promise means everyone who has tickets submitted on August 25th and before will get replied on August 31th. Which is too far from logic.
zealous ibex
😐
robust vector
I've sent 3 or so asking what is going on with Frozen RPG Weapons. No response for the last two months. Will probably never get a response.
silver moat
If they were possibly working on achieving that 1 week response time window then lots of people would've got replied by now because it's not a one night goal to achieve.
The amount of accumulated tickets is mindblowing would be surprised if they hit their goal by end of September.
zealous ibex
Hm, I wonder what'd happen if I set up a script that would automatically chase them up every week 😛
robust vector
I don't think it would matter. There is still no way to force them to open your emails.
zealous ibex
True, but it'd probably get annoying for them
Better still, I should create a bot that posts a twitter message too, a bit like that broadband guy
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/comcast-customer-made-bot-that-tweets-at-comcast-when-internet-is-slow/ I should do this for ue4 tickets 🤔
robust vector
Doesn't matter. Tweet all you want, Internet service in the USA isn't going to get better until we nationalize it.
nova scaffold
Making a GUI similar to parts selections in KSP
Anyone knows an asset on MP that can get me closer to the goal?
quaint cedar
You mean the stuff on the left?
tame wasp
I'm going to release a arch viz hat pack
wooden falcon
so the sales report doesn't have a total anymore?
ebon leaf
@wooden falcon correct
ebon leaf
lol. That's one way to put it
nova scaffold
@quaint cedar yes, pallets with items and categories
zealous ibex
I considered creating a full system like that myself, kinda gave up after I couldn't get it performant though 😐
Anyway, I haven't seen any on the MP recently, I thought I was one forever back, but am unable to find it anymore I'm afraid 😦
Also, you seem to be showing an old version of KSP @nova scaffold, would you need the searching/etc. too?
nova scaffold
it was just an example
basically it's a tabulated, dynamic and clickable inventory of a sort
zealous ibex
Interesting, I should take a look at that, it seems like a pretty interesting inventory mechanic
quaint cedar
@nova scaffold So technically a combination of Widget switcher for categories. ScrollBox + Grid for the layout and another widget for the buttons with an icon and maybe a tooltip that you spawn into the grid?
It's a pretty "basic" setup. Don't think you need to spend money on something to learn that
nova scaffold
@quaint cedar now that you've described it like that it sounds easier indeed 😃
Barely done any GUI stuff, would be interesting to implement
quaint cedar
UMG is pretty easy. I can assist you if you run into issues
nova scaffold
Thank you!
quaint cedar
It's a container system. You usually do 2 things: First you check how the ui is broken up, means are there obvious horizontal or vertical slices in it. And second you go from outer container to inner. So for example the image you shared. If you ignore the top bar and only check the left one.
You can see the categories and the grid are vertically split. So there you simply use a Horizontal box. Then for the left side, you put the next thing in it. The buttons are vertically placed, so a vertical box. Then on the right, you need a widget switcher. The buttons on the left will set an index on it to say what widget inside the switcher is active. Now for the first sample category, you place a ScrollBox into the switcher. Inside the ScrollBox you place the grid. And the manual stuff is already done
Of course you can also fill in most of this though loops and make it dynamically. For example with a datatable that holds all information about the categories and items. You can make a second widget that has the ScrollBox in etc in it and based on the datatable enties for categories you spawn one button on thr left and one of the new widget to the right.
:D but that is enough spam here from my side. Ping me in #umg if you need help
zealous ibex
Man, I really miss the totals 😐
There isn't a way to quickly switch back to the old portal to check on that right? My only real option would be a quick python scipt or something like that I guess
fleet garnet
I think my sales are affected by those broken ratings, I started loosing sales around the time when ratings broke
ebon leaf
I imagine it hurts everyone that has good ratings
and helps those that have bad ratings lol
oak thistle
Given that 90% of products have a single 5 star rating, I'd say the overall effect is minimal 😉
^ possible exaggeration, didn't count
fleet garnet
my AI one had 22 five stars and after this it is getting 0 sales, I hope they are going to fix this soon
ebon leaf
@oak thistle well yeah... but for packs with a lot of votes I imagine it influences it a bit...
my MSGT has 71 votes and is sitting at 4.9/5... but now people see 71 votes - they could think that means lotsa people hate it or lotsa people love it and might not want to take the risk in case they are wrong shrugs
I don't imagine its a huge impact... but I doubt its helpful
oak thistle
No agreed. Sadly there's no knowing whether it will be fixed tomorrow or still broken a year down the line 😉
ebon leaf
well... I'd say, given the company we're talking about, we know which of those two we can rule out 😛
oak thistle
Yeah, tomorrow would definitely be a surprise.
robust vector
So, if you want you can resubmit something with this new portal, and attach a note saying its something already in the submission process.... But does that mean you lose your spot in the queue?
quartz acorn
@fleet garnet I think disabled by default signatures on the forums contribute to lower visibility problem
fleet garnet
that might be a reason too
zealous ibex
Not sure, mine was already under the new panel so I didn't resubmit it 
fleet garnet
can someone check if my plugins are available on the MP, when I look at them from a different account it sometimes says unavailable
leaden root
Fine for me @fleet garnet
fleet garnet
Ok, thanks :)
Was worried for a second there
zealous ibex
Still available for me too 👍
fleet garnet
thanks for checking
dim mortar
is it me or can anyone else nOT see the stars for the rating?
in the last few days
i see an empy box where they should be
i tried disabling ad blocker, clearing cookies, nothing
fleet garnet
it is broken
shadow inlet
FYI - I've filed a bug for the ratings stars.
rotund schooner
did you draw the bug to rating stars when you filed a bug? @shadow inlet
gaunt flicker
Had to post this announcement in my discord... "Linter 4.17 delayed due to a compile error that only happens on Epic's build process and not the Marketplace recommend method of ensuring your code runs on Epic's build process."
wheee
lone mountain
@gaunt flicker lol
stark zinc
I just finished packing up my second marketplace pack. Feels good. All that's left to do is a nice video.
lone mountain
@stark zinc GJ Markus!
fleet garnet
nice, reminds me of those you have in substance toolkit
ashen sun
@gaunt flicker Linter says it supports 4.17 but when I try to install it to 4.17 it says nah it's been installed to all engines.
I ensured I didn't already have it installed
gaunt flicker
Well the update hasn't gone out so... /shrug
dim mortar
i want to see nice female models like paragon models in the marketplace someday by some talent artists. lol one can dream eh? lol
i like the moba charecter elf tho a perhaps tad higher detailed model of her would fit right in :-p
ebon leaf
lol... rating stars work in the editor 😂 how do they work there but not the site lol
gaunt flicker
Editor?
robust vector
Maybe if we had a launcher editor we could fix these things for them
ebon leaf
yeah but then we'd do all sorts of crazy unruly things like make a linux version and allow more people to succeed on the platform. That's bad for business yo
...looking through my youtube analytics for traffic sources... and I see a source I've never heard of... go to the site and its a porn site lol. wtf
wooden falcon
well, I survived Harvey! Actually, it went north of my location so I didn't get any damage
so, was the MP totally fixed while I was gone? 😃
oak thistle
Yes, completely.
It turned out 100% of the issues were caused by malware introduced via @ebon leaf 's links with dodgy websites 😉
wooden falcon
well, I'm glad that's settled 😃
I'm not sure I like this new beta seller portal...it's showing I have very few sales this month 😉
oak thistle
Do you have > 0? If so you're doing better than me!
wooden falcon
ouch
not much better
had one of my packs on 30% sale this last week...sold one 😃
oak thistle
If I include my free plugin I'm crushing it however. To the tune of about 600 units x $0.
wooden falcon
lol
ebon leaf
oh shit they're on to me... er... i mean what are you talking about @oak thistle ?!
oak thistle
The rumours are rife!
lean venture
I used to get a sale every 2-3 days, on average, but I haven't had any since the forum was updated (haven't bumped my thread in a few weeks as well)
Not sure if it's related, just saying
fleet garnet
I haven't had any for 10 days
wooden falcon
that sale last month really wrecked this month
lean venture
11 here, to be precise
Mine wasn't affected by the sale since it's still not on the Epic MP. I was just wondering if the broken forums may have also caused a general drop in everyone's sales (i.e. hard to see latest posts, literally broken search function etc.)
Though it's probably hard to tell since it came right after the summer sale, for most
fleet garnet
my sales were fine after the sale
robust vector
I was getting one or two per day, but since the forum screw up, its only one every few days.
The repulsive forum makes everything to do with Unreal Engine less appealing in general
Broken search means they won't find your thread
etc.
fleet garnet
broken ratings sure don't help also
wooden falcon
it's ok though, cause now they don't show totals or sums on the sale report, so you won't even know how much you actually sold at first glance 😉
flint snow
@wooden falcon if you export it out as csv, the total is in there... much easier than doing maths 😛
wooden falcon
I figured, I'm just lazy 😃
I've had so few sales this month, I don't really need a sum
zealous ibex
My sales have been down since the ratings broke, but due to being featured I've had a pretty nice month
But yeah, I remember last year, I had some issues after the sale 😐 It's always an annoying month after the sales 😦
gaunt flicker
Yesterday, code plugin came back failed to compile
Submitted changes in an hour
Today, update is out
So no queue reset, I suppose
Still waiting on a BP only update
wooden falcon
least they're responding to you 😃
silver moat
The situation with me is like my last 4-5 emails have no auto-response to them which means no ticket numbers and I don't know if the emails are received by them at all.
I assume like any other departments at Epic, if MP staff also had deadlines on their tasks things would've been much different.
It's usually either 10 icon packs or 8 material packs from one creator and it seems like there's no first in/first served at all as larger packs continue remaining in the dark for months without replies.
rare lynx
@wooden falcon A fellow Texan? 😛 Good to see you weren't harmed by the storm. 😃
wooden falcon
oh, what part are you from? 😃
yah, I'm just south of corpus...we only got 45 mph gusts and a couple of inches of rain
rare lynx
Just outside of Houston. 😃
My street flooded, but it didn't go beyond 1/2 the driveway
wooden falcon
oh man, that sucks 😦
well, least it didn't get your house
images on tv have been nuts
rare lynx
Yeah it was a bit of a scare at first, but fortunately it didn't progress. Others weren't as lucky. =/
wooden falcon
I lived in clear lake for the summer of 2001 when allison came through
rare lynx
I actually moved to Texas after Katrina in '05. Already lost a home due to a hurricane, didn't think I'd be in a position like that again in Texas
wooden falcon
ouch
yah, I moved away from the houston area back in 2006 because of hurricanes...lived in galveston for a year, decided it wasn't worth it
kept hearing horror stories of people fleeing rita
couple years after I left, Ike hit 😦
glad you're ok
rare lynx
Yeah. Part of being in the south I suppose. And likewise!
fleet garnet
Houston is all over the news, even in completely opposite parts of the world (glad you are ok)
zealous ibex
How's 4.17 updates going for everyone? Seems most have been processed....but I'm still waiting myself 😐
At least ratings got fixed ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Oh btw, tip for people who are suffering from the no totals in the new seller portal issue. You can export your sales report as a csv (the "share" button next to the blue submit button), it will show you your total at the bottom 😃
...
"2017-07-07","Inventory System","$14.99","","$"
"Total:","","","..","$Totals for days!"
Rating stars are fixed 0.o
delicate dove
fixed?
ebon leaf
the image urls were broken. nothing was showing up in some browsers, and in others youd just get 5 broken image icons
now they work again... 3 days later I think. huzzah
delicate dove
lol
wooden falcon
son of a...check my sales report with no hope of seeing anything, see a sale, get excited...notice the 0 next to it
company with a worse user portal: Oracle with the Oracle Cloud Backup...they make Epic's look logical and streamlined by comparison
quartz acorn
I envy your 0!
Still don't have any sale entries after Forum update
fleet garnet
haven't got a sale for 11 days.... stars get fixed... I get a sale that same day
wooden falcon
😦 ze0rb
and Blue Man, 😦 for you too
😃
supergrid didn't have 1 sale since the forum update?
fleet garnet
forums influenced this too most likely, it kinda sucks when you somewhat relay on MP income and then you have this big gaps
wooden falcon
what sort of marketing do you guys do on the forums that drives that much of your sales?
quartz acorn
It's not a marketing, it just a visibility in signatures
It drives people to the product
fleet garnet
Signatures and I update my threads, or someone else asks something and my threads get bumped
and now this is broken, newcomer with 1k+ posts... (don't care much but well...)
quartz acorn
Discoverability is simply absent on the Marketplace itself, so forums and the power of the word were the main ways to gather people... Aand now forums are driving people away + signatures are hidden
zealous ibex
Yeah I noticed that earlier
quartz acorn
@fleet garnet I believe it is the part of other bugfix
zealous ibex
Promoteer/etc. still work hough 🤔
quartz acorn
I have not received new title after achieving appropriate post count
wooden falcon
they mentioned the search was broken somehow
quartz acorn
So something was broken there
zealous ibex
And my marketing is usually forum signature + when people reply to my threads 😐
Search was 100% broken a while back, and is 50% broken now....kinda 😛
fleet garnet
they maybe removed those entitlements that Alex added a while back
quartz acorn
@fleet garnet There is a weird thing though
I've seen multiple people with 600-650 posts, yet with different titles
One was a newcomer and another one a Champion
zealous ibex
There's a few ones that got set manually, but yeah, the system seems fudged 😦
fleet garnet
something is slightly (very) broken
and I'm somehow subscribed to a bunch of threads that I have never seen before
Also you don't get a notification for mentions and quotes anymore
zealous ibex
^ Notifications have been on and off for me for a while now (since before the update). Guess I shold probably get used to checking everything manually
fleet garnet
😬
lone mountain
I just noticed I barely post on forums
I need to do better
Discord takes away most of my "community participation"
wooden falcon
hehe
I barely look at the forums anymore
hell, I barely click outside of this channel
heady moth
I wouldn't click outside if I weren't a mod either :p
zealous ibex
Yeah, I spend most of my time here too now lol
I used to browse the forums a ton, but they're still too broken for my liking 😐
silver moat
Expect the unexpected from epic.
zealous ibex
Next they'll add a 3 week website load time to the portal and call it an improvement ¯_(ツ)_/¯
(and they'll forget to load half of your page 😉! Don't you dare load a whole page at a time, half a page per request max. )
wooden falcon
They'll fix the sum/total on the sales report, but the actual sales will disappear...from your checking account
zealous ibex
😛
Downloading your sales report can still get you easy totals though 😉
It should be fixed, I agree, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fleet garnet
really... 🤦
5 more assets from him are just below that
nothing against the seller but this releases just for one seller should not be happening
wooden falcon
well, they don't schedule your release anymore...once you're approved, you can release anytime you want
fleet garnet
That thing is ready? I thought you still have to wait for them
fleet garnet
probably missed a few lol
worn oyster
whats with all those weird amount of cents?
worn oyster
ahh mine is in euro
gaunt flicker
It was a bad joke
wooden falcon
not to mention all those packs look exactly the same to me
silver moat
They all could be just 1 pack.
But hey, the issue is how are the tickets prioritized?
Seems like many submissions are released regardless of their entry position in the queue.
Like hand picking the packs.
zealous ibex
@wooden falcon I was thinking the same
And all I know is that my tickets usually don't get prioritized, some are sitting at 1mo+ without a reply 😐
(but I believe to go live when you want isn't a thing yet, not 100% sure about that, but I honestly don't know how their staging que works)
wooden falcon
lol, Jon Jones is really milking his mistaken identity
safe kayak
Does anyone know anything about the Building Constructor Tool? It was in the marketplace a while ago but now it seems to have disappeared. Or maybe it had a different name and I forgot it. Has anyone heard about it?
lone mountain
Who's Jon Jones?@wooden falcon
oak thistle
He was contracted by Epic to get the marketplace setup and into shape last year.
wooden falcon
old marketplace curator
I follow him on Twitter because he's pretty amusing
he has the same name as some UFC fighter, so people mistakenly tweet at him
wooden falcon
yah, hope he's getting paid for interviews
lone mountain
Good on him
Haha, catching up now
ESPN
EA
Not bad
Maybe he'll make more money from that book of his
wooden falcon
would be funny if EA added him in as a hidden character in a UFC game
oak thistle
@safe kayak You mean this one maybe? https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/automatic-buildings-01
lone mountain
with all the Twitter
safe kayak
@oak thistle No, it wasn't that, sorry kam.
I'm pretty sure it was called Building Constructor Tool or at the least it had Tool at the end of it's name.
Here it is! It's actually featured at the beginning of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL89frGkM4g
But I still can't find it anywhere. not from the marketplace, not from the internet.
And yes, it is called Building Constructor Tool.
oak thistle
I could be wrong, but I don't think that was ever on the marketplace. Seems like it might be something posted in work-in-progress forum or something.
safe kayak
That's funny because I'm pretty sure I did see it in the marketplace a week ago.
modern perch
ah, those texture packs are just taken from some other pack you can get online, split into several different 'releases'.
robust vector
Royalty free, all extended uses, go ahead and resell
lol
So, I've heard people say there are packs that were taken down because they had stolen content in them, but Epic never notified anyone. Does anyone know if there is a list of those I could check somewhere?
leaden root
Check if the pack is still on the marketplace
robust vector
Well, if its not, how do I know why?
leaden root
Email the mp staff and pray to the gods that they respond
lone mountain
@gaunt flicker op
bright sparrow
zealous ibex
1mo already? O.o
heady moth
Probably will get the updates processed when 4.18 is out
so either they're waiting for their beta portal to go live so they don't update(which would be stupid) or they just don't do it
zealous ibex
I was kinda late submitting my update, so I understand I'm probably last in the que (still, I sent them an email within 5 days of 4.17 releasing, I had to fix a few issues I was experiencing with the upgrade). But it'll be 3 weeks tomorrow, which is kinda ridiculous
lone mountain
Don't worry, 4.18 preview coming out next week
Rahaha, not really, since 4.17.2 is still coming.
But there's no 4.17.3 sadly
zealous ibex
One of my plugins (that is submitted) is still awaiting 4.17.2 😐 They broke stuff which broke my plugin, RIP
Atleast it's been fixed ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gaunt flicker
Fuck it, I'll make my own marketplace just so I can distribute my updates
rotund schooner
@gaunt flicker make his own marketplace distribute pipeline to updates
robust vector
We are supposedly required to support the two most recent versions, so even if they waited until 4.18 they still need to process the updates.
wooden falcon
blah
oak fiber
@gaunt flicker aka gumroad
zealous ibex
Gumroad is pretty sick, bummer there isn't really a way to get exposure for MP stuff there though 🤔
lone mountain
@zealous ibex What's so good about gumroad?
zealous ibex
Stuff like product keys, lower % (to my knowledge), and a few other things
Oh....and you can update your products yourself 😉
silver moat
@lone mountain It's an actual online store.
lone mountain
Haha
silver moat
And charges 5% only.
lone mountain
Well, the assumption should be that Big Tim is going to reduce Marketplace Cut @sleek egret right?
zealous ibex
Are you supposed to still pay epic another 5% then? 🤔
lone mountain
I mean, he made a big stink about Asset Stores the other day.
@zealous ibex You'll have to look at the EULA/TOS
There used to be things that weren't considered under royalty
Like Arcades
zealous ibex
🤔
zealous ibex
5. Revenue from a Product which is only Distributed to Engine Licensees (such as through the Marketplace); Ah, great!
I was thinking there'd be something like that, but I was suddenly doubting it 🤔 It does make sense though
lone mountain
@zealous ibex So, yes or no?
zealous ibex
No, you don't have to pay revenue on products going licensee -> licensee. Please consult the EULA for up-to-date information, I am not a lawyer 😉
lone mountain
Nice
zealous ibex
Also, I'd love a higher cut from the MP, but I'd rather have way better service that'd actually make the cut make sense. Almost 3 weeks Epic, 3 weeks!
(I know I was late, and there where a lot of people who they need to process, but still......)
wooden falcon
the new submission portal taunts me with its ever unchanging Pending Approval (1)
all I ever wanted was your approval, dad! I mean Epic...
ebon leaf
@wooden falcon and even after you get approved, the staging may take extremely long (as in my case :/ for an unknown reason)
wooden falcon
scripting language for Quake 1
never did learn it, but used to combine mods I liked into combo packs, so I could use multiple mods in a deathmatch
gaunt flicker
Does anyone have a 'stage to release' time?
One of my assets has been 'ready for staging' for like 2 weeks now
Twitter
gaunt flicker
Twitter
At current pace, a marketwide engine update takes 2/3rd of the time it takes to release the next engine version
At current pace, if marketplace asset count grew from 2500 to 3325 assets, it would take as long as it takes to release a new engine version as it does to push a marketwide engine update
strong cargo
Seems like treating it more like an app store and let devs live and die by pushing their own updates would be better?
lone mountain
Ha, he commented on somethign entirely different but he's seen the messages @gaunt flicker
gaunt flicker
For real
pseudo sundial
Today marks 11 weeks from my initial submission 😢
gaunt flicker
Aye, thats why I linked those tweets
Especially the first one
It should be borderline spammed
lone mountain
Aye, I mean, I don't even have an asset
But, I feel for you all
And me, if I dive that way one day
lone mountain
lmfao
strong cargo
I see MP delays create a lot of havoc for plugin developers, trying to release bug fixes and enhancements at the speed of a normal agile workflow, having MP always be several releases behind, customers wondering why things aren't working because they think they're on latest based on their press release.
gaunt flicker
Thats not enough
lone mountain
Man, that would be an insane chat
gaunt flicker
Especially since only 1% at most will convert
I mean, I'm pulling that figure out of my ass
But prove me otherwise
I dare you @zealous spire
strong cargo
it's a legit conversion ratio
gaunt flicker
This is why its probably good I don't run any servers this big
Because you're damn right I'd @everyone onto that twitter thread
strong cargo
When I first read the tweet, without context I thought we were calorie counting
lone mountain
lol
I still thought that...
And I knew the context
🤦
strange way to abbreviate calendar. or rather, probably have never seen it abbreviated like that before.
lone mountain
lol
weak tangle
Is there another place to look for UE developers? I mean not website and this discord? Someone could DM me some good links maybe?
gaunt flicker
twitter / conferences :p
weak tangle
u mean searching by hashtags or what?
lone mountain
Where do you live?
weak tangle
Germany
lone mountain
You'll soon find out
quaint cedar
Germany is quite big though. Meetups are places/events where you can meet with other ue4 devs
weak tangle
Thanks VicorBurgos
quaint cedar
I hosted the one in Düsseldorf
weak tangle
Oh you actually talk about meet ups like real meet ups :d
quaint cedar
Well me at least
weak tangle
U speak german i guess, can i DM u real quick dont want to offtopoic this channel more
quaint cedar
Sure
pseudo sundial
robust vector
Sounds like corporate-speak to me
robust vector
I wish Epic would provide a standard face rig for characters
zealous ibex
@gaunt flicker 82/day is an optimal bet, BP/art assets that's don't require changes are self-updatable
so I'd estimate only half or so of that to be actual MP updating, possibly even less 😦
zealous ibex
tfw you create create a marketplace asset based around an API (which I will leave unnamed for now).....but then shortly after you're done & submitted your asset, a radically new version releases 
zealous ibex
(oh and this wasn't a small API change, it was a core api change, so I'll need to rewrite a lot from the ground up. So happy I abstracted most of this, but still....it'll be a lot of work :|)
zealous ibex
How long does the CHANGES PENDING: stage usually last? I've been waiting 2 weeks (which isn't that bad for the marketplace lol, and I got a really speedy reply back from review in the first place), so am wondering if this is "standard" for when you've submitted changes, or if I should worry about my submission getting lost 😃
wooden falcon
they throw a 20 sided die, then multiply that by the number of weeks they wait to respond to you
gaunt flicker
!roll d20
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, Please roll a maximum of 10 dice.
Respond with cancel to cancel the command. The command will automatically be cancelled in 30 seconds.
gaunt flicker
Excuse me
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, Please roll a maximum of 10 dice.
Respond with cancel to cancel the command. The command will automatically be cancelled in 30 seconds.
gaunt flicker
What
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, Please roll a maximum of 10 dice.
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wooden falcon
lol
gaunt flicker
1
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, What type should they be?
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gaunt flicker
20
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, Supported types of dice: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 and d20.
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@gaunt flicker, Supported types of dice: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 and d20.
Respond with cancel to cancel the command. The command will automatically be cancelled in 30 seconds.
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, Supported types of dice: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 and d20.
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wooden falcon
hahaha
gaunt flicker
d20
ebon leaf
:game_die: [10]
gaunt flicker
If that bot conversation doesnt reflect the mp process iunno what does
wooden falcon
I feel like that was a fitting analogy to the MP
gaunt flicker
Aye
wooden falcon
the only way it could have been better is if it had taken weeks to give us that last result
modern perch
!roll 10d10
ebon leaf
@modern perch, Please roll a maximum of 10 dice.
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modern perch
10 is a maximum of 10 you dick
ebon leaf
@modern perch, Please roll a maximum of 10 dice.
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modern perch
5
ebon leaf
@modern perch, What type should they be?
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modern perch
d5
ebon leaf
@modern perch, Supported types of dice: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 and d20.
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modern perch
cancel godfucking damnit
ebon leaf
@modern perch, Supported types of dice: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12 and d20.
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modern perch
cancel
ebon leaf
@modern perch, Cancelled command.
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker, Please roll a maximum of 10 dice.
Respond with cancel to cancel the command. The command will automatically be cancelled in 30 seconds.
gaunt flicker
cancel