fab

[real dust]

Would that be because the author indicated not to work on it..?

Right

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/svg-importer-plugin

[zealous ibex]

(for example NetDB is unavailable as they published it before it should have released)

Oh I remember that plugin 🤔

Seems like it's working for me?

[delicate dove]

@west tide is in chat, so ask him

[fleet garnet]

it is working for me

[real dust]

Oh, neat

Huh, that's weird

[zealous ibex]

Not signed in, but I think it should work

[real dust]

Maybe it's because I'm in Ireland at the moment and my account is Dutch...?

Or maybe IBM's network is weird

Idk

[zealous ibex]

I'm from the netherlands

[real dust]

That's just strange

[fleet garnet]

I sometimes get emails from people that my plugin is unavailable

[delicate dove]

silly dutch people

[real dust]

Right, but you're not in Ireland right now, right?

[zealous ibex]

Well, it may be a quark, try using ctrl+r (force-reload) and if the issue is still there tomorrow, try contacting [e-mail]

Ah wait, nvm 😛

[real dust]

Ah, wellp

Just refreshed

It worked

[zealous ibex]

Great 👍

[real dust]

First three times opening it didn't

How odd

Hm... Now I'm just doubing whether I should get it 😛

[zealous ibex]

Reading the comments/ratings, if you need the functionality, you probably should. It's not the cheapest of things, but it looks like a dang solid plugin 😃

And as for 4.17 support, epic has quite the backlog 😛 The update has probably already been submitted, but not processed 😐 (like many other plugins)

[real dust]

Yeah

Well, I don't need the functionality at this time

But it's the kind of thing that's really good either way

Like

Just importing an arbitrary decal and using that instead, ya know

[nova scaffold]

I want to try using it for rigging and etc

as in sails riggin

[real dust]

The distance field SVG? o.O

[nova scaffold]

yeah, so the edge is crisp like geometry

[real dust]

2D game?

Can you animate in SVGs?

[nova scaffold]

hmm, well it's a texture at the end, you could make an atlas

[real dust]

And then use flipbook on the distance field texture?

That'd work

Huh

Clever 😛

[nova scaffold]

someone used it for rendering power-lines, cause ailiazing was most noticeable on them and their AA would smooth out powerlines at distance to almost invisible

[real dust]

How'd you handle that properly though

[fleet garnet]

wow, someone was really mad at me for making this video

[nova scaffold]

so what they did is adjusted "alpha test" of the DF by distance an derivative,

[real dust]

Cable component,m material with that thing?

[nova scaffold]

@real dust not sure what they used for geometry, maybe something screenspace based or a line which expands in geometry shader

need to ask that guy

[real dust]

You think it'd work nicely for foliage textures?

[nova scaffold]

yeah people do use DFs for foliage

Valve was suggesting it too

you can dynamically calculate your "alpha" value for test, depending on different parameters. Valve have example of doing AA in their paper, so your mask becomes smooth on the edge

[real dust]

Yeah

That was my line of thought too

Hm

Pretty neat

Overwatch is using this for the sprays too, isn't it?

[nova scaffold]

In some cases, if I can replace alpha blending with alpha testing I would go for it

Like for example trees lods

[real dust]

What's the difference?

[nova scaffold]

Alpha test is binary - discard or keep current pixel

Alpha blend requires sampling buffer color to calculate final color

In terms of UE4 materials estimated cost, its 2x more expensive to blend than to just test

[real dust]

Does UE4 default to blend for foliage?

[nova scaffold]

It depends on what you choose

[real dust]

If you use masked, that'd be test, right?

[nova scaffold]

Yes

[real dust]

Right, so in the case of foliage textures

You throw the DF in there as opacity mask

And you use the normal texture for diffuse?

Or is that a stupid assumption?

[nova scaffold]

Not at all, that's what you can do

[real dust]

Any other way to use it for foliage?

(Just asking all this to make sure I'm not missing some points of the functionality)

[nova scaffold]

you might find some creative ways to use it for LODs where at distance you make mask bigger so foliage becomes less see-through overall

[real dust]

Speaking of foliage LODs and billboards

I'm just going to ask this again

Does anyone know of a proper, efficient way to bake billboards? Preferably with normal maps

Plugins or anything are welcome too

[nova scaffold]

mmm, you mean something like impostors?

[real dust]

Basically

Billboards/impostors

[nova scaffold]

cause billboards are just planes facing camera and impostors are system where distant objects are baked into texture and mapped onto bilboards

[real dust]

Right, I'm used to saying billboards. Thanks Speedtree.

xD

[nova scaffold]

besides spreedtree I don't know if anyone does it in UE4

😄

[real dust]

I know there's one very fancy thing

But that was an external thing, I blieve

[nova scaffold]

it's normally very custom to a specific game

[real dust]

And expensive as heck

Well, honestly

I'd assume that pretty much anyone using mesh trees kinda needs a way to make impostors properly :.

:/*

[nova scaffold]

they can be used for all kind of stuff, like landscapes and clouds

[real dust]

Huh

Apparently, there's a premade blueprint for it

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Content/Tools/RenderToTextureTools/3/

I wonder how I didn't know that before

[nova scaffold]

oh wow

nice find

so this is pre-baked solution

neat

[zealous ibex]

@fleet garnet Late reply, but that isn't even that bad 🤔

[real dust]

Only thing then is obviously that I need to set the sizes of the planes properly

Which is a bit annoying

[zealous ibex]

Maybe a competing product is launching or something? & ue4 marketplace vids tend to attract a lot of dislikes in my experience 🤔

Anyway, the dislikes suck man 😦 I really liked that vid myself though 😃

[fleet garnet]

I don't care much about the dislikes, as long as it has more likes than dislikes I'm happy 😃

[zealous ibex]

Yeah, having more dislikes than likes sucks 😐

When I started with my free ue4 c++ tutorial series I got more dislikes than likes, and inventory had way more dislikes than likeswhen it launched too

Complaining it had too little features (which has been addressed), yet not noticing that what they're comparing it too is sometimes double the price ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova scaffold]

@real dust there are some neat tools https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Content/Tools/RenderToTextureTools/4/index.html
I would totally use this thing in real-time, sadly have to make some custom RHI otherwise

[zealous ibex]

Custom RHI is evil 😛

(having to use it in a plugin I'm working on that is yet to be announced)

[fleet garnet]

some people will never be happy no matter what you do

[zealous ibex]

Hm, I guess that's true

[nova scaffold]

dunno how to do it otherwise, already have couple of things on my list that I can't solve out of the box with available tools. Most of it is about rendering depth into RTT.

I mean, it's not a rocket science to output depth as a color

[real dust]

@zealous ibex You and all your damn unnanounced plugins

Just go somewhere else already >.>

[nova scaffold]

but I need to do it for Landscape, which means I have to swap landscape material somehow

[zealous ibex]

I only have >5 plugin submissions 😛

(that are currently being reviewed)

I'm working on more 😛

[robust vector]

I've never once been emailed about refunds, Epic just gives them. Nobody left negative reviews or comments though.

[zealous ibex]

😐

[fleet garnet]

you might need a time machine to see all those plugins go live @zealous ibex

[zealous ibex]

Yeah, I know

I guess good about not getting negative reviews, but it sucks they don't tell you

BP submissions are like <1w (atleast, my recent experience with 1 template), plugin submissions spend something like a month waiting in the queue before they even take a look at them lol

wow, I just spent like >1h writing an email to epic 😮

<1k words, not even that bad 😛

[real dust]

Mayhaps you were just doing other things in the meantime? ;3

[zealous ibex]

Nope, I legitimately spent all that time writing & checking facts etc. 😛

(I had to address things like why my template FAILed functionality test 🤦)

Anyway, @real dust, as epic'll probably spend >1mo processing my plugin, but at least they have the files now, I'll give you another hint about the previous plugin (the previous hint: )

LogBlueprintUserMessages: [TestBlueprint_20] 3
LogBlueprintUserMessages: [TestBlueprint_20] Yes!
LogBlueprintUserMessages: [TestBlueprint_20] Actor1
LogBlueprintUserMessages: [TestBlueprint2_16] Actor2
``` The new hint:

Its name is GlobalEvents

[robust vector]

"BP submissions are like <1w (atleast, my recent experience with 1 template), plugin submissions spend something like a month waiting in the queue before they even take a look at them lol" Who are you bribing?

[zealous ibex]

😛

No clue, this BP reviewer honestly amazed me

But plugin review is still really slow, one of mine has ~3mo and counting

[robust vector]

Yeah, you don't get to call 3 months slow

[real dust]

Damnit

[robust vector]

my fastest was 4.5 months

[real dust]

You're very good at giving hints that can really mean just about anything

.>

[robust vector]

The other two were 10 months and 8 months

[real dust]

Though

It's name is GlobalEvents?

[zealous ibex]

Fine, let me make it easier. Two actors, how are they connected?

[real dust]

Its* name is GlobalEvents

[zealous ibex]

😛 sorry

[real dust]

;3

[fleet garnet]

my first plugin was processed really fast, in less than a month

[zealous ibex]

Nice 😮

[real dust]

I'd think something along the lines of physics-based ropes or something

I remember a discussion about that at some point

[fleet garnet]

that was last year when reviewing was somewhat fast

[real dust]

But that wouldn't make sense with GlobalEvents

Also, should I get your ConfigBP?

[robust vector]

I have physics based ropes as part of my Advanced Movement Plugin. I wonder if that would sell by itself if I split it off.

[real dust]

@robust vector Link?

DOes it have climbing and all that?

And what's the price?

[robust vector]

Advanced Movement isn't for sale yet

This is the WIP thread https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?104643-Advanced-Character-Movement-Component

[zealous ibex]

Fine, I'll just give it away. It's an easy way to add global events to blueprints. So an example'd be wanting to broadcast night_over in your zombie game (so all of the zombies need to A. burn up or B. go hide somewhere, your skysphere needs to turn to day, your character needs to heal faster, and plenty of other actions) The previous way to do this using blueprints would be to get all your actors, cast them, and then call a function and/or custom event on each of those. What I did with GlobalEvents is redesign this so all you have to do is execute a bind to/create global events node, and a call global event node. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real dust]

So how did you expect me to get it with those first three lines?

I sort of thought of that

But then that seemed to obvious

[zealous ibex]

(wow, that took me way way way too long to type out. Pretty much, it simplifies calling events throughout your world into a few nodes instead of a huge blueprint graph)

[real dust]

That last hint wasn't a hint xD

It was literally what it is

As such I was like, nah, that's not it, it's just a debug message

[zealous ibex]

😛 Yeah lol, I like descriptive names ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real dust]

But yeah, again

Should I get your ConfigBP?

To what degree will it save my lazy self effort?

[zealous ibex]

Your choice, if you want to (easily) expose settings using so players can edit them you could I'd suppose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real dust]

Always fun to ask people if they'd recommend their own asset

I think I surprisingly often woulnd't

[zealous ibex]

Depends if you're mainly coding in blueprints or c++ I'd suppose, there's pretty much not a built in way to do this using blueprints, and it's kinda a pain to do in c++

Yeah, I always have issues recommending my own assets 😛 I don't want to seem selfish lol

[real dust]

x3

[zealous ibex]

(but I guess if this would be someone else's asset, I'd still recommend it)

[real dust]

I'm usually just like "If I had to think myself, would I buy this or do it myself, I'd do it myself"

So why should someone else get it xD

(E.g. my landscape materials which I considered selling)

[zealous ibex]

I always do things myself, but that's just my nature 😛 I mainly buy marketplace assets to learn how on earth they did something, or buy art/sound assets because I simply suck at creating them myself

[real dust]

xad

xD*

[zealous ibex]

Heck, even for a plugin like dungeon architect, I'd still try and build it myself from scratch instead of buying it 😛

[real dust]

Lol

How much is that thing?

60?

[zealous ibex]

I believe something like a hundred bucks or something like that

[real dust]

Then compare that to the amount of work ;3

[zealous ibex]

I'm just mentioning it as an example of a huge asset that'd take me forever to do it myself, I'm mainly interested in learning things, not actually creating a full game.

[real dust]

Also, would there actually be animo for a proper wind material on the marketplace?

[zealous ibex]

Wasen't there that wind thing a while back? 🤔 I haven't done any research into materials/shaders/art stuff I'm afraid, so I can't really help 'ya

But if you have the asset, and it's actually worth something, then why don't you try? The worst that can really happen is that you get barely any sales ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real dust]

Well, I don't have the asset xD

Afaik there isn't a proper foliage wind thing

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/ambient-wind-system This just handles some global variables, basically

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/adaptive-binaural-wind This is a sound systek

system*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jI28LTOf_Q This contains a wind thing, but... Well... It's not that great, I think

So there isn't really any good wind stuff out there

[wooden falcon]

not sure if that's the one I have, but the pack I bought uses the simple grass wind for the trees...looks sort of funky up close

[real dust]

I thought something like that already

THen just using vertex weight on the bark to not make it move on the bottom

Except trees don't move like that 😛

[nova scaffold]

have you checked Crytek paper?

don't need to re-invent the bicycle starting from wheels

you can get much out of it and improve on top of that

they use different color channels for different things, to control sway and response to different frequency of the wind "noise"

most likely Speed Tree is doing something similar - there aren't many ways to do it anyway

[real dust]

Yup, I know

I've read through it once while looking for a Speedtree replacement

Found that, read it, got impressed

From that time on I was like "I need to do this in UE4 at some point":P

That's half a year ago now xD

[wooden falcon]

the alternative is to use the pivot painter plugin for maya

and then use the speedtree node in the material, I think

I wish someone would convert the pivot painter to Blender

[real dust]

Pivot painter works to create Speedtree wind? 😮

[wooden falcon]

I believe so...saves the data in a texture, I believe

oh, and I was wrong...it's not a maya script, it's a max script

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Content/Tools/PivotPainter/

and you'd use PivotPainter_HierarchyData, not the speedtree node, my mistake

[wooden falcon]

funny how the MP will acknowledge a problem (after being bludgeoned over the head with it by content creators for months), work to fix things, then seem to take 100 steps back in short order

they get complaints that they don't respond to people, so they start to respond to people in a more timely fashion, until they don't anymore :/

[ebon leaf]

wtf. there's been more chatter in 24 hours here than the entire month before it. lol

[wooden falcon]

where've you been? 😃

[ebon leaf]

partner's birthday so... been being a good partner 😛 and throwing a party tomorrow so prepping for that lol

[zealous ibex]

Good luck @ebon leaf & congrats 🎉

[ebon leaf]

haha thanks. not much fun tho -.-

[humble stag]

I sent my 4.17 asset patch two days after engine update. I'm checking if other marketplace creators are also waiting for it to uploaded to store. (Blueprint only project)

[zealous ibex]

I didn't have to resubmit my blueprint project's files as the upgrade required no changes, but my plugin's been waiting 😐

[wooden falcon]

I sent some corrections to a submission back on aug 1...haven't had a single response since then, despite a couple of emails I sent asking for an update

pretty just given up at this point

I believe there are "visible seams" in the MP now 😃

[zealous ibex]

😐

And lol 😛

I'm still waiting for something like 7 or so tickets from the MP, especially one that's bugging me

Sent almost 2 weeks back (I know this isn't long in MP terms, but still), and I kinda want a reply to 😐

[wooden falcon]

they should rename the channel to Marketplace_support_group

[robust vector]

@humble stag I was able to send one of mine day of 4.17 release and I haven't heard anything.

[zealous ibex]

lol @wooden falcon

[wooden falcon]

please show on the doll where the MP touched you

[silent shoal]

@humble stag I sent updates for 4 projects 10 days ago - no answers, even if I tried to write them twice since then. Looks like they changed something in their workflow because for the previous release(4.16) update processing was relatively fast.

[robust vector]

Same for me. Updates only took a few days last time I sent them in, but its been a week and a half with no response from them this time.

[wooden falcon]

I think adam leaving didn't help

[tiny stag]

Is submit still work slow?

[zealous ibex]

I guess it highly depends on A. what you're submitting and B. which reviewer you get assigned? (not sure about this point) @tiny stag

But my general experience is yeah, it's slow as heck

Just for the recond, I have a lot of experience waiting for epic 😛 And this isn't even everything!

Also, epic's spent 9 days before even asking me to send my files. They state in the popup you'll hear back within a week. Should I assume it's been rejected?

[heady moth]

Where do you even see those :p

[zealous ibex]

My gmail used to (I believe it still does) have a go to ticket like hotlink thingy (like github PRs etc.), and it turned out epic had auto sign up enabled

Anyway, I pretty much made myself a zendesk account on the epic thing so I can easily keep track of all of my tickets (I'm always scared I may not see an email or forget to mark it as unread so I actually reply to it, #TooManySubmissionIssues)

[wooden falcon]

hacker!

😃

[oak fiber]

Guess that is what happens when you fire staff and replace them with incompetents.

[zealous ibex]

😐

I must admit [unnamed] is pretty competent though, he got back to me really fast with constructive feedback 👍

[zealous ibex]

That feeling when you did your research, didn't find any products that met your requirements, create a product, and as you're about to submit you find a product that does pretty much what you needed 🤦 🔫

[lean venture]

@zealous ibex Regarding out discussion about plugin lines and review times based on them:

bject -Line

Lines Words Characters Property
----- ----- ---------- --------
11505

PS E:\EpicGames\UE_4.17.0\Engine\Plugins\UWorks\Source\UWorksCore> dir -Recurse -Include *.h | Get-Content | Measure-Obj
ect -Line

Lines Words Characters Property
----- ----- ---------- --------
19283```

Out of which maybe 6000 or so are comments (I really have no way of counting those unless I do it manually)

Also - they just asked me to comment UENUMs, USTRUCTs and UPROPERTYs. The UPROPERTYs are exposing delegates and only delegates to BPs. Now I may be wrong here, but I couldn't find any generated comments in the editor for UENUMs and UPROPERTYs delegates so the argument that these need to be commented for the editor to generate a tooltip is invalid, unless I'm missing something

[heady moth]

UProperty, yes

but Enum and struct, never noticed it. I comment them just for my own sake

[zealous ibex]

😐

Sitting at ~2.6k total for a plugin I'm still working on 🤔

But that's still missing a lot of comments etc 🤔

(oh, and all the defensive programming things, it's still a prototype 😛 )

Anyway, a little over 30k lines of code, that's pretty insane 😮

[night meteor]

I am so tempted to Buy Dungeon Architect. Anyone has bought it can share some experiences?

[sullen lion]

I used an early version (on a client project) which was alright. Its pretty good but had some rough edges.

Theming is super easy and you can sorta extend it

(again, early version afaik)

main issue was with fixed room locations - whatever the room volume thing was

[dim mortar]

we need more realistic female charecters that have facial morphs i got the moba elf and its nice but no eyes and not a lot of facial morphs from a cinimatic view for someone like me just starting out . it would be nice to have a few more options there. the other female options look a tad too low polygon and or cartonish :-p

[dim mortar]

the problem i see is a lot of it set up for game content yet we need more charecters that woud be great for like sequencer n stuffs too

facial animations etc.

[ashen sun]

I need a pair of hands for a running parkour sort of thing

anyone know of some?

[spice blaze]

In the literal form or the metaphorical

[zealous ibex]

I believe there was a VR hards pack, but I doubt that's what you're after 🤔

[night meteor]

@sullen lion Does it allow more organic Layouts like Diagonal walls? It isn't clear from the screenshots or videos.

[raw niche]

Respect Dungeon Architect : ON SNAP BUILDER -->For Module Creation docs says " is easier to create your room module in a separate level then convert it to a blueprint" can you create a module of differents blueprints like traps , AI , Interactuable stuff ....?

[pastel lily]

hi guys, does anyone know what's happening with the Marketplace? is there any official statement? People wait for their packs to be released/updated for months...I sent my project when 4.15 was the newest version lol. Still got no answer from the Epic.

[modern perch]

nobody in here knows anything, unfortunately

[pastel lily]

damn.. things were getting better with waiting times, but this... it's even worse than it was at the beginning

[zealous ibex]

😐 that sucks, I submitted an asset when 4.15 was the newest that hasn't been released, but atleast I heard back

I'd send a reply to the ticket and if not send a message to [e-mail] asking for an update or atleast something 😐

[pastel lily]

I did. Also sent a PM to Stephanie and David.

[wooden falcon]

Maybe they secretly shutdown the MP, and are hoping we all just wander away

😃

[pastel lily]

you are pretty much helpless with this so yeah ;p

[wooden falcon]

up until Adam left, I was getting pretty good response times on my submission

then he left, and I haven't heard back since Aug 1

[zealous ibex]

Hng, finding music for your MP videos is hard 😐

On discord? If so it won't be of much help I'm afraid 😦

They seem to have abandoned it, so the forums are usually a better place :0

And what necro said

[pastel lily]

anyway, it seems that situation got out of control. It's either some serious problem at their end, or the number of people who want to release something on the Marketplace is huuge.

[robust vector]

I haven't gotten a reply from the marketplace support email for over a month

[pastel lily]

welcome to the club then

[zealous ibex]

😐 Been in that boat, especially plugins are bad

^^ And not even all my stuff shows up in zendesk 😛

[robust vector]

I have 2 plugin updates, and 4 new asset packs in purgatory

[zealous ibex]

Yeah, there's nothing worse than being featured (yay) but not being up-to-date 😐

[pastel lily]

HowToCompute where do you have such Zendesk view?

[zealous ibex]

Like WHAT THE )&#$%&)#@!*)&% EPIC?!

I followed a link through gmail, and then used their self-signup thing. Not 100% sure anymore, I just set it up so I could access my submission tickets from everywhere without needing my 2fa device ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel lily]

interdasting. I'm gonna check it

[wooden falcon]

pretty sure they didn't intend for you to be able to do that 😃

[zealous ibex]

😛 Well they kept it open and it's a nice way for me to show how much I am waiting 😛

Like 5 open tickets 🤦

And it shows you how long you've been waiting without having to search for the emails etc.

Anyway, gmail has a show ticket link that allowed me to do it, not my fault I use gmail ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's this huge button, they're expecting me to ignore it? 🤔

[pastel lily]

oh, I don't use Gmail with Epic account

[zealous ibex]

Ah, not sure how to do it without gmail, you're probably not supposed to do it anyway as necro said 🤔

How bad is it to post 720p plugin trailer (that is a bit laggy)? I literally can't screencap anything properly in ue4 anymore without running at a low res & low fps 😐

(it's a plugin, not art, so it doesn't matter as much? Or is this failed logic?)

[robust vector]

I'm in

[pastel lily]

Until you're showing some tiny text operations it not bad at all imo.

[robust vector]

Good to know they consider WebEZ solved despite not having pushed my 4.17 update yet

[zealous ibex]

Hm, well it contians blueprint nodes 🤔 So there is some text, but it's readable

That's the standard state once they publish your plugin

But yeah, not having an update out sucks 😦

[robust vector]

Well, Look Alive is considered Open

[zealous ibex]

You're featured too right? They should kinda prioritize their front page packs in my opinion 🤔

[robust vector]

Yep. WebEZ released and featured on the day 4.17 came out

[zealous ibex]

Nice, but it really does suck 😦

I released a day or two after, but same issue here, still not done my update

[robust vector]

As far as I know there have been very few releases since then.

I can't imagine what the marketplace team is actually spending its time on

They don't push updates, haven't taken a look at my submissions in weeks, and won't respond to my emails.

What does STAGING: mean btw?

Does that mean it passed review?

[zealous ibex]

I believe that means it's passed review and is awaiting to go live

[pastel lily]

2. If your submission is approved, your pack will then be sent for staging, where it is entered into the catalog and set up for distribution on the Marketplace.

[robust vector]

Well, that's news to me

[zealous ibex]

So pretty much make sure you know everything is correct as they could tell you literally less than 36 hours beforehand 😛

[robust vector]

Last time they told me anything they said my content was rejected for facing the Z axis

[zealous ibex]

🤦

[robust vector]

I basically responded by questioning the literacy of the reviewer if he was mixing up Zs and Xs

[zealous ibex]

I really do hate that I probably put almost a thousand hours into the MP 😛

[robust vector]

Got no further replies

My return on investment is probably around $0.50 per hour thus far

[zealous ibex]

I'm probably lower than that, but it used to be my hobby ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[robust vector]

Maybe less if I count all the time I have to spend complaining lol

[zealous ibex]

Now it's just become a waiting game 😦

😛 lol

[pastel lily]

time needed to release a pack = 85% waiting for the Epic + 10% complaining + 5% actual work

[robust vector]

I've also made improvements on my end since submission. Too afraid of what horrible delays it could cause if I sent them in now.

[zealous ibex]

LMAO, mine's usually 50% work, 20% trailer/images, 30% waiting for epic/replying/complaining

[robust vector]

Video and screenshots are always a big pain for plugins.

[zealous ibex]

For actual time, it'd be up to 90% waiting for epic if I counted time that I wasn't doing something for my stuff

Yeah, I hate creating them 😐

I think I've done something like 6/7 over this summer holiday, I'm sick of it now though lol

Do rough cut, add effects, do final tweaks, add titles, spend >1h searching for good free music to add to it, master in the music, wait for the export

[robust vector]

Add text to screenshots. Wait for Epic to release the content. Check Marketplace. Notice text is cut off

[zealous ibex]

Yeah

🤦

I followed their dimensions, come on epic!

[pastel lily]

yeah, had the same

[zealous ibex]

I added a polite note to a recent submission asking what the safe size would be when I submitted the images 😛

lol, so epic apparently accepts plugins without even taking a look at the video....yet tell you to create one?

(sent them the files while my video still has 0 views)

I guess I can't really complain though, I don't have any plans to release any content before mid September - early August 🤔

[pastel lily]

I just would like to know what's happening. It would be great to have some sort of queue counter/statistics so sellers would know what their situation is

[zealous ibex]

@NOTE FOR MARKTEPLACE STAFF: THIS IS A PLUGIN

Network Replicated: No 
``` You guys think this is obvious enough? (added to my technical details section)

I've had them mistake 2 plugins for BP assets now, so I wanna add a note to avoid this confusion

And yeah, I wish we'd have that info 😦

[sullen lion]

do CODE PLUGIN

[zealous ibex]

Hm 🤔

Thank you! We've received your Marketplace submission and are currently reviewing it for quality and completeness. We will contact you within one week with additional details and instructions.
``` I knew it...yet the MP has taken almost 2 weeks (and counting) to reply to one of my plugins

[real dust]

@zealous ibex ConfigBP looks fine for me afaik

[zealous ibex]

Still, it's cropped

This is the origional image

It's missing part of the c and quite a lot of the configuration file logo (which took me supprisingly long to cut out actually 🤔

[flint snow]

yeah they didn't change the request for a Featured size to a square dimension 😃 I wondered that too

the featured used to be the rectangular dimension, but now it looks like they are moving forward with squared versions.

[zealous ibex]

Yeah, adding more, but they request the wrong sized image

It's super embarrassing for me 😛

[flint snow]

what do you mean... I love "onfigBP" 😛 hehe

[zealous ibex]

😛

Welp, time to fix these 100 TODO comments before the MP gets back to me 🤔

(I got used to creating a plugin, sending it off and then cleaning the code up while I wait, it makes the wait ever so slightly less bad lol)

(pretty much, I submit when all the functinality is in place, and then comment it neatly & make it foolproof, don't see anything wrong with doing it as I don't change any of the functionality)

[robust vector]

I do the same for certain things

[fleet garnet]

Got my stuff updated finally

[modern perch]

https://giphy.com/gifs/brooklynninenine-fox-brooklyn-nine-nine-l4JySAWfMaY7w88sU

[fleet garnet]

lol

[zealous ibex]

😮

Congrats :p

[robust vector]

Lucky you

[wooden falcon]

meanwhile, this month is on track to be my worst sales ever

[ebon leaf]

pretty normal after big sales

I... haven't even bothered looking yet cause I didn't want to be depressed 😛 checking now

[wooden falcon]

I've had 4 units sold this month 😃 and one of those was on the tail end of the big sale

[ebon leaf]

I see this bad boy is still kicking about

[wooden falcon]

one of my packs is on sale this week...I check this morning, with tempered expectations of 1 or 2 sales...0...

and my submitted pack is in limbo as I wait for a response from Epic...a limbo filled with visible seams

[ebon leaf]

I've had 59 sales total sofar, but 30 of them were from the final day of the sale lol. Not the worst month but one of the less good ones for sure

[wooden falcon]

thanks apoisonedgift, you always know how to make me feel better 😃

that's extreme sarcasm!

j/k

[ebon leaf]

lol 😛 sorry

if it helps, that means I will be eating more noodles than usual that month 😛

[wooden falcon]

the poor sales don't even bother me that much (I'm used to it)...it's the lack of response from Epic on my submission...and I realize that's systemic

[ebon leaf]

yah

[wicked pebble]

I say throw a computer at them.

[ebon leaf]

but I need mine 😦

[heady moth]

their lack of response is overall with everyone the same

They're aiming for a one week window time

[wicked pebble]

And they're hitting a four week if that.

[heady moth]

which even as good as that may sound relative to how it is now, is still unacceptable in any industry I know, business to business

problem is they treat us as people, not as businesses

A four week?

To be fair, they only respond to certain emails

[wicked pebble]

As far as I've seen from people here.

[heady moth]

If you ask them any question not related to a specific pack, they don't even bother to answer

[wicked pebble]

Which is still unacceptable, yeah?

[heady moth]

That's not at all acceptable

But we're powerles, they have all the power

we can't change the situation

we just have to deal with it

And ultimately hope for the best

[wicked pebble]

I mean, technically we can just pull everyone out of the marketplace. It'll hurt us a lot more than it'll hurt them, though. But it would definitely say a lot to them.

[heady moth]

Won't do anything, and despite all the bad circumstances, it would make it much worse for us

Lots of people rely on the marketplace, as bad as it may be

[wicked pebble]

I say make our own marketplace 😂

[zealous ibex]

one week? Oh come on 😛

They don't even aim for that anymore 😛

[wicked pebble]

That's what I was saying 😃

[zealous ibex]

Celeste 🍕 - Today at 3:19 PM
If you ask them any question not related to a specific pack, they don't even bother to answer
``` Wait....so that's why they aren't answering my totally 10000% marketplace specific question related to a possible submission? 😐

[heady moth]

Probably

Even questions on packs have gone unanswered because it wasn't a pleasant question for them

[zealous ibex]

😦

[west tide]

I am waiting forever now that they process my updates for 4.17

I don't even bother to ask for the status

[wooden falcon]

all I know is, if I wait a month to finally get back a response to my submission corrections, and it says "Visible seams", I'm not sure my psyche could handle it 😃

[zealous ibex]

I'm limiting myself to 1 additional asset after this one and then I'm taking a long, long break from MP submissions

(currently 6 assets that are undergoing review and one ready to launch)

[wooden falcon]

yah, that's gotta suck

here I am bitching about one submission in limbo

😃

[zealous ibex]

😛 Yeah, my sanity is suffering

[heady moth]

I have stopped producing assets

[zealous ibex]

Don't blame 'ya

I wanna stop at 10, if I can manage to create another one before my summer break is over

Probably won't though

[wooden falcon]

I have things I'd like to work on, but can't work up the enthusiasm to even bother until I get this one resolved

[heady moth]

Their lack of answers, negligence and overall fuckups have forced me to reconsider

[zealous ibex]

I can't blame you, really does suck that this has happened/is happening 😦

[wooden falcon]

so in the meantime I'm working on a rat model for the hell of it (not MP related), just trying to learn ZBrush past the "I can polish photoscanned models" phase

[zealous ibex]

Cool

I'm currently polishing my tedious commenting & pollishing a 2.7k line code plugin skills

3.1k actually 😮 This plugin is growing too much!

[fleet garnet]

update for my vehicle physics plugin coming very soon (regarding networking)

[zealous ibex]

Awesome 👍

[fleet garnet]

😃

[ebon leaf]

sorry but you went 3 letters without a line of comment... rejected 😂

[fleet garnet]

oh sh**

[zealous ibex]

lol

[fleet garnet]

this is how I spent most of my time this week, trying to optimize the bandwidth usage

[zealous ibex]

I remember doing stuff like that

[ebon leaf]

so... you b asically got your accounting degree through UE4? XD

[zealous ibex]

It's so boring 😭

[fleet garnet]

lol 😆

[leaden root]

Wait what?

Client auth vehicles?

[fleet garnet]

yep

[stark zinc]

I just received a mail from the marketplace team about an upcoming beta test of a revamped Marketplace Seller Portal. Anyone else?

[wooden falcon]

just now

[ebon leaf]

yeah. Gonna assume it went to all sellers

[fleet garnet]

me too

[zealous ibex]

Lemme check

[wooden falcon]

you have to have a new product to submit

[fleet garnet]

too bad I don't have any packs to submit now, I really want to see what it is about (MP is moving forward, I'm hyped 😃 )

[zealous ibex]

Nope, seems the MP is pissed off with me?

[stark zinc]

I might actually have something ready this/next week. I guess I'll participate.

[zealous ibex]

I have like 6 products that are in various stages 😛

[wooden falcon]

wait a little bit HowTo

[zealous ibex]

I want to be in the beta too 😛

[wooden falcon]

you live across the pond, no? 😃

[zealous ibex]

[wooden falcon]

the bytes have to swim

[zealous ibex]

Discord bytes have to swim too 😉

[fleet garnet]

lol

[wooden falcon]

Epic bytes are slow swimmers

[fleet garnet]

I really want to see what it is about...

[zealous ibex]

yay, it arrived 😛

[fleet garnet]

it is a big pond man

[ebon leaf]

lol you just get the standard "we got your email" when you reply lol XD

😂

[fleet garnet]

lol
quick I need ideas for 2 days marketplace pack

[zealous ibex]

What about assets that have already been submitted?

😛 lol

[fleet garnet]

it is like Christmas whenever I get a MP Email

[wooden falcon]

lol

christmas, where you open the box and a swarm of bees flies out to sting you in the face

[fleet garnet]

lol

[zealous ibex]

lol

[fleet garnet]

from ue4 source code (they have some funny comments in there and names) FScrollyZoomy

[heady moth]

It's like my BlueprintReadWritey yesterday

[zealous ibex]

lol

[fleet garnet]

haha lol

[heady moth]

Sadly it didn't work

[fleet garnet]

they should of named it BlueprintReadWritey

wait what, is this one real lol?

btw this is in programming channel

[zealous ibex]

Woohoo! I think I've done a little over 2k lines of code already, only ~1k to go ❤

(I like the fact epic got back to me asking me to send them my files really quickly, but it kinda put me under a lot of work lol)

[heady moth]

I don't think my plugin has 3k lines of code tho

is that a requirement?

[zealous ibex]

😛 nah

I just need to clean/comment everything

(which is a VERY tedious process

[fleet garnet]

it took me half an hour to realize that template functions need to be implemented in the headers 🤦

It is super easy to make some cool looking color schemes with VAX

[heady moth]

I think my code can't be more commented

[zealous ibex]

No comments, insta rejected 😛

(sry)

[fleet garnet]

I have no idea if my message came out, discored fu**** up

[heady moth]

Pretty darn commented xD

[zealous ibex]

Yeah, I did those function comments for my BP functions in my last 2 plugins too

Oh my are they tedious 🤦

[heady moth]

I thought we needed to follow epic's guidelines, which is @harsh coralm and @return for every function

Oh I actually mentioned someone

derp

[zealous ibex]

They don't seem to care, but I did it anyway

[heady moth]

Sorry, whoever that is!

[fleet garnet]

my vehicle physics plugin has a very few comments but function and variable names are self explanatory

[zealous ibex]

It's pretty neat if you BP nodes have tooltips for all the parameters

Same here, I ain't taking no risks with huge waiting times though lol

[heady moth]

Yeah this is completely without bp nodes

It's my toggl plugin

Which i took down

[zealous ibex]

Really? Why if I may ask?

[heady moth]

Bad sales compared to upkeep

but I'm reuploading soonish

[zealous ibex]

Hm, that makes sense 🤔

[heady moth]

whenever I get time

not this week tho

[zealous ibex]

You don't need time 😛

[heady moth]

Oh I do

[zealous ibex]

You send it and you wait for >1mo 😛

[heady moth]

For that I need time to compile for 4.16 and 4.17

[zealous ibex]

Ah 😛

[heady moth]

I'll probably hire someone to do that for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous ibex]

All my plugins really needed was like a single line of code in my .build.cs, so it isn't even a ton of work ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Your experience may vary though

[heady moth]

I know

It's already code updated

Just no time to compile it :p

[zealous ibex]

Ah 😛

[robust vector]

Anyone else get an email from Epic today?

[zealous ibex]

Seller portal beta? Yup, if you scroll up a bit you'll see a few more people getting it 😃

[robust vector]

Interesting

[zealous ibex]

I have like 6 submissions, but they've all already been submitted 😐

(well, one's kinda been submitted, I may try and see if I can get that to work....I have not yet sent them the files)

[wooden falcon]

"Tim Sweeney has called out mobile app stores for taking too large a share of developer revenues in the industry's most competitive and punishing market."

""The system is pretty unfair at the moment," he said. "These app stores take 30% of your revenue for distribution... That's strange because Mastercard, Visa and other companies that handle transactions take 2% or 3% of the revenue. "

...

[leaden root]

Heh

[ebon leaf]

he said the same about steam not that long ago lol

[leaden root]

Ironic

[wooden falcon]

does he know the Marketplace still exists?

[ebon leaf]

probably not

[nova scaffold]

To be fair, I'm sure that MP does way more work per submission than Steam does

[wooden falcon]

http://humanepursuits.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Office-Space-homies4.png

[nova scaffold]

So I think he has a point

[wooden falcon]

"We fixed the glitch"

"Later reiterating his comments in response to a question from the audience, he described the engorged share taken by app stores as a "parasitic loss.""

ok, in case you want to read it: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-08-22-tim-sweeney-app-stores-are-pocketing-a-huge-amount-of-profit-at-developers-expense

I mean, I agree with what he's saying

it just appears a bit tone deaf

[nova scaffold]

30% as standard cut on digital platforms can be a direct cause why pretty much no one checks quality

It's like 60$ for AAA + season pass + micro transaction is just became norm. 30% going to steam makes little to no sense imho, as even exposure is not guaranteed anymore

In past they had at least 2 mil guaranteed views for your game

[wooden falcon]

it's becausee steam is the defacto distribution method for games now...no one cares about origin or any of those others

although I do love gog

they charge 30% because they can

same as Epic

I just don't see how Epic claims to just be breaking even, when it doesn't appear they put much in the way of resources behind the MP

guess we'll see what this new submission interface actually does

[robust vector]

If you paid me as a full-time salaried employee I can guarantee I would have multiple submissions fully reviewed per day. I can't believe they are paying anyone to do reviews. They are likely throwing the review work onto employees that already have other duties.

As far as quality control goes, its not great.

[wooden falcon]

maybe the new interface autochecks things like folder structure and naming convention

maybe it just uses Allar's linter 😃

[robust vector]

Everything is supposed to be X-forward and use consistent naming conventions, but Ironbelly products have Y-forward weapons and really inconsistent naming structure.

Half the characters on the MP claim to be rigged to the Epic skeleton when they aren't

They just seem like they refuse to put any real effort into the MP

[wooden falcon]

it certainly appears that way more often than not

I mean, sometimes it seems they are trying, like when Stephany and Adam used to be part of this channel and would help people

then they yank them, and we enter a period of communications blackout

now, they say they've hired a bunch of reviewers to speed things up, but the opposite seems to happen

[robust vector]

Weeks just for updates to existing products now

[heady moth]

They also told us they've been training them for 3 months now

Which I think is rather long to teach people how to respond to an e-mail ¯_(ツ)_/

[silver moat]

It's not just emails.

[robust vector]

They stopped responding to my emails completely

I doubt anything they said about hiring and training more people is true

[silver moat]

There is a lot to learn so teaching can be long.

God. I can't explain how difficult it is to teach them.

But I can tell you they're doing their best.

[robust vector]

What evidence do you have that 'they' exist and are doing anything?

[silver moat]

I once had someone responding to my ticket with a name I never knew before so it looked like someone new. But well, that's the only evidence I got.

[robust vector]

Well, at least they responded to you.

[silver moat]

I didn't say that was recently though. :D

I said once upon a time. :P

[robust vector]

If Zendesk is to be believed they got tired of dealing with me and simply moved all my products into staging without even reviewing them.

Or telling me.

[silver moat]

Zendesk is really easy and convenient I don't even know how a ticket might get lost since everything is in your face when using it.

Zendesk might probably sue epic for saying such things behind them :P

[wooden falcon]

if it's like the ticket system we use at work, sometimes tickets tend to get buried on other pages if you have too many

[silver moat]

Tickets come in as uncategorized or new.

Then they're assigned to different people based on the task.

And in either case it's a matter of just looking at the list.

If one ticket goes off the screen there's no reason to not check it out to make sure -you- didn't miss any.

Buuuut... let's hope after 6 months of training this won't happen again.

[wooden falcon]

I'm just hoping the slow down is because of 4.17 and updates

[robust vector]

Maybe

Every plugin on the MP should be sending an update in I suppose

Still, update review should hardly take this long

My last update to Look Alive went online next day

[silver moat]

But the problem is slowdown is because of summer sale, then new engine update, then training people, new engine update, black friday, cyber monday, new engine update, summer sale, new engine update and that's how there's always something there to blame instead of blaming actual things responsible for never being responsive on time.

Looking back at 2015 my first pack took more than a month to be released and as we've moved forward delays have only grown longer due to receiving more packs and not automating the process and I really don't like to accept new engine updates and sales as excuses.

[gaunt flicker]

Beta portal invite email requires manual response

If that doesn't explain everything, iunno what does

[sullen lion]

So they email you, and then you gotta email them back and they give you access?

[wooden falcon]

a little birdy confirmed that a big part of the slow down is all the updates for 4.17

[gaunt flicker]

Slow down is all the manual work required for the updates for 4.17

[wooden falcon]

the new submission portal will allow you to upload the files yourself, and put the product live once they approve it

[silver moat]

It's crazy to create an online store and then prevent people from just doing their thing with it.

[wooden falcon]

as well as change text, pics, and price yourself

although the text I guess we can already do

[gaunt flicker]

Pics and price emails seem to happen really quickly (relatively)

Its the review process I'm concerned about

[wooden falcon]

btw, some Epic peeps lurk here now and again

[gaunt flicker]

Aye

But any step forward is a step forward I guess

I suppose new uploading system will make it so they don't have to manually fetch our uploads

[wooden falcon]

new system should cut 1 to 2 weeks off sub to pub time

[gaunt flicker]

Aye

Whats another 1-2 weeks xD

I'd be happy to wait an additional month actually if there was more communication

[wooden falcon]

they should start training a plugin review AI 😃

[gaunt flicker]

#AutomateAllTheThings

[wooden falcon]

I wonder how Unity handles code plugins

[gaunt flicker]

Same as any other asset really

They don't require compilation against the engine the same way Epic does

Benefit of C# and their framework

Unity also ships with a built in ide

Whereas Epic can't guarantee / make VS a requirement

Things in general would be a lot easier if VS was a hard requirement for UE4 dev

But then you'll have every artist have a dead copy of VS

[wooden falcon]

there's VS for mac now, no?

and linux?

[gaunt flicker]

One does not develop UE4 on mac, one deploys on Mac <_<

And Linux has their own ecosystem of stuff

[wooden falcon]

actually, there .net on linux now too

or a subset

[gaunt flicker]

Anyone using .NET on non-windows usually uses Mono

[wooden falcon]

with the little experience I have with .Net on windows, I'd imagine Linux would be hell for it

[gaunt flicker]

Hell I think Mono runs on mobile now

[wooden falcon]

with assemblies and such

[gaunt flicker]

With Mono you basically write Windows code

and it interceps all the windows stuff with its own stuff

I.e. when you create a Windows Form on OSX

It creates a Cocoa UI or whatever the hell its called

Although I recently tried running CKAN, a mod tool for Kerbal Space Program on my Macbook and found out Mono UI isn't working right on 64-bit OSX

At least for now

[atomic otter]

that's not really true

Mono's Windows Forms layer is deprecated. it used Carbon (which Apple has deprecated) to create windows and handle input and stuff, but then emulated the Win32 toolkit rendering on top of that

for modern dev, you'd use Xamarin.Mac, which allows you to use Cocoa APIs from C# running on Mono

generally, Mono supports most all of .NET framework except the Windows-specific APIs like WinForms, WPF, etc

and it started on Linux, but runs pretty much ~everywhere

mac, windows, linux, ios, android, ps4, xbox one, s390x etc

disclaimer - I work for MS on Xamarin / VS for Mac / Mono, and am working on MonoUE in my free time

[gaunt flicker]

Aye, there you go. I don't really know the difference between Xamarin/Mono/other C# stuff. I tend to only use C# when making a simple game dev tool that requires UI outside of the engine

That and I can't run my Kerbal Space Program launcher on my Macbook because something something Carbon

[atomic otter]

probably because it's using windows forms

[gaunt flicker]

Definitely is, theres about 1000 people going whyyyyyyyyy. Apparent work around is to force mono into 32 bits but that doesn't seem to work on newer versions of OSX.

Either way, I find all the 'meta' of C# more confusing than C# itself

[atomic otter]

generally the approach i'd recommend would be to use an MVC or MVVM architecture and then write the UI view three times - using cocoa on mac, wpf on windows, gtk# on linux. that way you get to share most of the code and get a native UI on each platform.

GTK# isn't great but it'll also run on windows+mac, so it's your best approach for write-once-run-anywhere, if you want that

[gaunt flicker]

I think the guy who wrote it wrote using Mono because hes used to it because his day job is Unity stuff, and the fact that it was 'cross platform' was a side effect

If I'm writing a cross platform tool nowadays, I just use node /shrug

[gaunt flicker]

UE4 launcher makes on average 427 web requests when I load it up

jesus

Turns it out makes a request for every single mp asset you own

[wooden falcon]

how many do you own?

[gaunt flicker]

Somewhere between 100 to 427 <_<

I'll find an exact number soon

[robust vector]

How much time is uploading my file to them really going to save compared to giving them a Google Drive link? Maybe a minute of downloading?

[gaunt flicker]

If you have a good clean upload, maybe only a minute

If you are an asshole and have one of those links thats like

'request permission to gain access' or a shit host

A lot of time

Worst case: You now have to be emailed to fix your link, after someone struggles getting your file

So while it won't change well formed submissions, it should cut down a lot of time on ill-formed submissions

I'm sure ill-formed submissions make up a big chunk of marketplace human time, especially since its a manual email process that requires human validation

[gaunt flicker]

Confirmed... that delay when you load up the launcher when it sits at the login screen going 'signing you in'...

Is it waiting to get info for all your marketplace vault assets

The more you know <_<

[wooden falcon]

make's sense

hey have to check each time to make sure you're still entitled to download

[gaunt flicker]

I would think there would be an endpoint to get all data about all owned items

Infact, there kind of is. Theres an endpoint that gets everything you 'own', problem is it returns things like 'Linter_4.15', 'Linter_4.16' etc, with each item returning a catalog id (both linter returns have the same catalog id)

It then goes through every unique catalog id, sending a request one at a time, to get more detailed info

Why I'm digging through this:

https://i.gyazo.com/4f6bcdc2d5ed7c0d7ae41db9fa89f67b.png

I need to be able to download mp assets on a linux machine <_<

So might as well do it myself

[wicked pebble]

Now THAT'S awesome.

[gaunt flicker]

https://twitter.com/MichaelAllar/status/900231788034961408

Michael Allar (@MichaelAllar)

For those of you forsaken by the @UnrealEngine Marketplace on #Linux, I'm releasing this very soon. Written with @nodejs. #gamedev #indiedev https://t.co/CYF4exOPkX

▶ Play video

Twitter

By the way, if anyone is interested, this paper I wrote in 2015 is still completely valid. https://www.dropbox.com/s/sdskrtow6nbcvzn/FreeMarketplace.pdf?dl=0

[tender flame]

@gaunt flicker what about Legal stuff? Afaik You have to accept EULA on launcher's first run.

[gaunt flicker]

Therefore you would have to accept the EULA before you can buy an asset

If you fail to log in, you can't do anything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender flame]

@gaunt flicker But, could users, say on Linux where is no Launcher to get to login step w/o EULA accepted?

[gaunt flicker]

They have to have first registered an epic account, which requires agreeing to a EULA and other terms

When they buy an asset, they also agree to some terms as well

[tender flame]

@gaunt flicker yep, but launcher has different EULA iirc

[gaunt flicker]

If thats not enough, I'll let Epic Legal let me know

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender flame]

@gaunt flicker i see You've made quite a lot of research in this "free marketplace" paper

[gaunt flicker]

Adding a damn EULA check

Created a new account, did not have to accept EULA when logging in

[gaunt flicker]

Lol god damn it, as I was doing the first test of my tool on Ubuntu, with everything seemingly working well, ue4 servers go down for maintenance mid-download

[leaden root]

Haha

[modern perch]

I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of submissions are ones we never see and are complete garbage

also goddamnit Discord, didn't jump me to latest again

@merry lotus - sorry to poke you, but has something changed with that behaviour? It's becoming a recurrent problem for me

I frequently don't get the notification that what I'm looking at on screen is not current

[gaunt flicker]

https://github.com/Allar/ue4-mp-downloader

[ebon leaf]

So it looks like they removed a shit ton of forum badges in the update?

[gaunt flicker]

Nah, they're there, just bad img urls

[ebon leaf]

lol seriously?

oh god 😂

[gaunt flicker]

Hit f12, gaze upon the 404s

[ebon leaf]

lol... i guess i'm not surprised

new forum skin seems both more modern and less modern at the same time 😛 not a fan lol

[gaunt flicker]

Aye, I hate its look, but I can read it better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ebon leaf]

I really dislike the lack of links to pages on the forum thread list (so you need to open the thread then go to the page) and I dislike how read threads vs. unread threads are less clear than before. The actual threads are more readable for sure, and it seems to load a little faster. But missing a heap of QOL stuff compared to before it seems

but eh. Epic 😛

[gaunt flicker]

lmao whats qol

[ebon leaf]

😛

embedded videos are like half the size they used to be as well lol

Signatures are gone too?

[gaunt flicker]

They aren't gone

They're just turned off by default

You can turn them on, but they're hella ugly

[ebon leaf]

Where do you see that stuff? I don't really see options anywhere lol

[gaunt flicker]

top right -> name -> settings -> account

[ebon leaf]

oh... they actually integrated the settings into the UE site bar. That's why I assumed there were no options 😛

[gaunt flicker]

The top bar does not bing search forums

gg

[ebon leaf]

lol... oh god... i enabled signatures and got this

[gaunt flicker]

ahaha

I have powwaaah

[ebon leaf]

Have you set anyone to ignore?

wondering if it's having issues cause I don't have anyone on ignore 😛

empty field and that

[gaunt flicker]

No

But am a forum mod... so... I guess I have power to block null

[ebon leaf]

lol XD

maybe signatures are only for mods to see 😛

if so... I can write secret messages in there to you guys 😛

[heady moth]

ew

that new forums

ew

[ebon leaf]

yah lol

[heady moth]

funnt how badges work on phone but not pc

[ebon leaf]

lol... that's just weird

[heady moth]

what 10 per page?

So much for thread visibility

Everyone

block allar

then you can change your settings :p

(legit)

[gaunt flicker]

ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[heady moth]

Proof with the now very ugly signature

Problem with that, appearantly you can't unblock the person

[ebon leaf]

when I blocked allar I couldn't 😛 still said the moderator thing

[gaunt flicker]

Block a non-mod

[ebon leaf]

Yeah about to try that 😛 had to go to the shops lol

lol... still got the error. but it saved anyways that time XD

i don't get why they would be off by default. Well... until I think about who is in charge 😂

[fleet garnet]

I don't like that, also there is no activity feed anymore (list of all new posts)

[lean venture]

+1 to what Blue Man said. I also miss that feature.

[delicate dove]

btw unity created a massive meeting and all their marketplace sellers are invited

looks at epic :p

well.. all

sorta

https://i.gyazo.com/ae29c33872c2dcb1392adcbb1fa405ef.png

[modern perch]

nah, they just spammed everyone with an event invite because reasons

[delicate dove]

not many people will be making it to that location, so lets spam everyone :p

stilll though, would be nice if epic does these same kind of things to thank their marketplace sellers

[heady moth]

Nah, we get AAA service as a thank

[silver moat]

Is there any way to bring back the old ugly forum theme :D

[fleet garnet]

old one was a lot more practical

[silver moat]

You unable to post here too? https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/announcements-and-releases/126060-forum-outage-incoming-aug-22-from-7p-9p-et

[fleet garnet]

yep, that post reply does nothing

[silver moat]

At least we can change thread titles now.

(If they don't disable it again)

[heady moth]

Yeah prefer old forums too

[fleet garnet]

we can?

changed my titles while I still can lol

[heady moth]

you know you can also ask mods to change it right? :p

[fleet garnet]

I know, there is a thread for just that (for MP section), but I hope we will be able to still change our own titles

[shadow inlet]

Hey all - If you don't mind, would you be willing to add any of the forum issues you're seeing to the thread here: https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/feedback-for-epic/1342396? We're working on passing info to our teams to address them.

Thank ya, thank ya 💚

[wooden falcon]

eh, the style isn't so bad

do recall that we've gone through forum changes before, and each time people hate the style, but get used to it 😃

[rotund schooner]

week of Karma from those @shadow inlet right?

[flint snow]

I see @shadow inlet crushing a panda bear 😛 in her avatar, oh wait is that a seatbelt, lol cute. haha

[robust vector]

oh god

what is this ugly mess!?!??!

so much white space

[shadow inlet]

heh - it's a seatbelt! Gotta make sure it has a good flight ;P

[robust vector]

This must be some kind of strategy to stop me from complaining on the forums by making them so hard to look at I won't even bother logging in

[flint snow]

@shadow inlet one of the issues is that I can't Reply to forum posts, so I can't even post my issue 😛

[shadow inlet]

None of them?? D:

[rotund schooner]

so @shadow inlet you have drawn with your wacom your avatar?

[robust vector]

Light blue on white is a terrible color scheme

[flint snow]

@shadow inlet Ok, i was able to post in that feedback thread, but I wasn't able to post in the twitch composure event thread you created

guess i'm not the only one who likes the dark theme, too much brightness early in the morning.. hehe

[shadow inlet]

We'll have a dark theme back, hopefully within the next couple days.

[flint snow]

Thanks, my eyes will appreciate it! So what kind of cool features will this upgrade do for us? Avatars? or is there a post already about this?

[delicate dove]

shouldnt you all have set up all the options in advance? i find it a bit odd lol

[robust vector]

Look how pretty this chat is. I can read everything here fine.

Well, its good to know Epic has been putting resources into making the forums worse instead of something crazy like making the marketplace better.

[heady moth]

yeah forums badges are broken

can't change settings until you block someone

after that, you can't unblock that person

so I have a random person blocked

[shadow inlet]

It's mostly backend upgrades. I'll see if I can compile a list of what changes you'll see. (other than purely visuals)

[heady moth]

10 threads per page as default kind of kills thread visibility for marketplace and lfw/jo

[robust vector]

It seems like the objective was to kill all forms of visibility

[rotund schooner]

what if the forum have switch for dark and light theme?

[heady moth]

I personally much more prefer the old theme

[silver moat]

You know what the forums need right now?

White font color.

[robust vector]

Might as well go all the way into unreadable and do white on white I suppose

No point in stopping at 95% eye death

You would think they would test changes like these before rolling them out

[heady moth]

Never assume things

[zealous ibex]

Still no 4.17 😐 This is starting to get really, really annoying epic.....

[wooden falcon]

😦

[zealous ibex]

Why do thumbnail sized differ from like week to week?!

[heady moth]

Because inconsistency is key

[zealous ibex]

😉

[dim mortar]

more detailed female models with facial morphs please k thanks 😃

fun fact synty studios has a few unreal assets that are on just their website and not on the marketplace just yet. but the nice thing is you get both the core assets plus packags for both unity and unreal so handy if you play around with both 😃 they have some great stuff i got a few of em on sale

[zealous ibex]

Pretty cool 🤔

[dim mortar]

synty studio assets

you can upload their firgues to mixamo for easy animaton support too 😃

the house in the background is from the simple medevil set by another group though but works well together

[silver moat]

What's the thumbnail sizes now?

[dim mortar]

5 by 5 pixels?

yeah its like how they changed the keyframing for 4.17 with sequencer. lol

[zealous ibex]

sec....

284x284 as of Monday

[silver moat]

Whaaaa

Maaaan

Well it says 512x512 here

http://help.epicgames.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2592186-marketplace-submission-guidelines-preparing-your-assets

[dim mortar]

so anyone planning to come out with any more charector models soon? thatd be sweet.

we just need more content providers i wish epic woudl get in touch with more people maybe some who have made stuff for unity and all and bring it over to unreal. its a reall blessing for those like myself who is not a 3d artist. and dont have the funds to hire a good 3d artist who just want to make something cool

even with the same assets with lighting, post procesisng and cinimatics you can still make something interesting

also 3d exporting /importing is a pain in the ass for newbies so its nice it (for the most part) just works. when getting something and downloading it into your project. fun

[heady moth]

I wonder what happened to the people they were training for 3 months now

[zealous ibex]

Not sure, I'd suppose they may be working for epic now?

[heady moth]

284x284 was always

for as long as I can remember

[zealous ibex]

It's been 512x512 for a while too

[heady moth]

Dec 2015 it was 284x284 :p

[zealous ibex]

Thumbnail:
• Name this image "Name_Thumb.png" ("Name" being the name of your submission) 
• Size: 512 pixels by 512 pixels
• Used as a tile on the home page and on the item details page. 
• This is used as "cover art" for your submission, so choose your best image to show off here. 
• Only one is required.

[heady moth]

never seen a normal power by two one

[zealous ibex]

14th of August

The other was was the 20th or 21st I believe

[heady moth]

Idk what happened to them, they trained people for months but no new replies or improvement on responses either

I also don't think the beta started?

[zealous ibex]

Not sure, I sent them a late AF reply 😛

[heady moth]

They can't answer e-mail for weeks on, but they plan on processing all beta requests in under a day?

[zealous ibex]

Yeah that too, it legitemately supprised me

I was thinking the same lol

[heady moth]

I suppose their trainees are on that?

Not that anyone I know has gotten a reply

And I know a lot of mp sellers

But, 23rd isn't over yet

so maybe thhey still get something done

[zealous ibex]

Hm true, they tend to reply to my mails at midnight local time if they reply 😛

[heady moth]

not that we'll ever know ¯_(ツ)_/¯

they actually gave beta to people

well dang

they can process these e-mails faster I suppose

[ebon leaf]

haha

[wooden falcon]

ooo, fancy looking

[ebon leaf]

shhh 😛 that was wrong window

[wooden falcon]

but why do the existing packs have little checkboxes?

[ebon leaf]

so you can do that on multiple items

[wooden falcon]

ah, k

I am afraid to touch anything, lest it jettison my packs from the MP

[ebon leaf]

lol i know them feels

I need to get something sorted asap to test the submission lol...

haha you can actually submit files at part one of submission. FINALLY

[wooden falcon]

hmm, pack names can't include apostrophes anymore

[ebon leaf]

welp... already got a list of things to complain about with this system after just messing with it for 10 mins 😛

Has anyone tried changing a title? I'm concerned it will change the url lol. that's not good

[wooden falcon]

seem like a step in the right direction

and MP promised he wouldn't hit me anymore

[ebon leaf]

haha

it's definitely better... but it still needs a bit of work 😛

[robust vector]

Well, my update to WebEZ finally went live, so progress...?

[pastel lily]

Did the update go though this new Seller Portal?

[robust vector]

No. They didn't give me access to that

[ebon leaf]

you currently can't submit new versions to the beta seller portal anyways... i've already reported that 😛

(to epic that is)

[robust vector]

If only we had internet police to report to

Its about time Epic answered for its crimes

[ebon leaf]

lol

[gaunt flicker]

It took 3 months but I did it, I got an asset approved

However, it was already staged for release in the past and got pulled out

[robust vector]

So, does it say "STAGING: " in the zendesk thingy or does it say something else?

[gaunt flicker]

Iunno, but I doubt its staged as I don't see it in my beta seller portal

[robust vector]

They don't really email me at all, so I'm trying to get a point of reference to know if zendesk is to be trusted. I have 4 products prefixed with "STAGING: " in there, but 3 of them they haven't even messaged me about since they asked for files.

[gaunt flicker]

Generic Shooter broke, went from "Create Project" in launcher to "Add To Project"

wheee

[robust vector]

Oh boy

[ebon leaf]

@gaunt flicker is that because you made changes in the beta portal and "saved" them? if so... then good to kno w:P i won't do it on my projects haha

[gaunt flicker]

No, this happened with me doing nothing

Well, iunno, hmm

I guess maaaybe its because the drop down is locked but it still saved that value out

If so, wow

[gaunt flicker]

Yup, thats exactly what it is

I'm going to head to my office and manipulate some network data <_<

[ebon leaf]

lol that's so fucking dumb... we need to all report that asap

[gaunt flicker]

I tried just changing the html form on my macbook

There is javascript forcing that field to reset

If you edit it and hit save changes it resets, if you edit it again, it resets just before posting to epic's servers

So yeah, whatever code they're using to disable that field is infact fucking up product changes

[ebon leaf]

lol derp

that's really bad...

[sleek egret]

Allar are you breaking things?

[gaunt flicker]

Im fixing them!

[sleek egret]

By breaking them?

[flint snow]

@gaunt flicker I had that error I had to delete an ini file

[gaunt flicker]

All I hit was Save Changes D:

Cascading failure

I haven't even tried breaking things yet

[sleek egret]

Well, okay (But no seriously do continue to break things it's super helpful)

You only broke your shooter pack yes?

[gaunt flicker]

Yes, it only affects COMPLETE_PROJECT assets

[sleek egret]

Okay. Well I fixed your shooter pack

[gaunt flicker]

Thanks yo

[sleek egret]

And PSA if anyone breaks their submission while testing this, please e-mail me. We can fix it for you

[flint snow]

I like everything the new portal is going to offer, a big step 👍

[gaunt flicker]

Anyone with a COMPLETE_PROJECT will get set to ASSET_PACK if they make ant changes

The issue isnt even on your backend

Its your frontend javascript

[sleek egret]

Awesome 😃 thanks
That's wow

Welp I know what I'm doing tomorrow morning 😃

[gaunt flicker]

The ue4 forums have a similar issue

People cant change their account settings because if they make any changes, frontend javascript thinks they are trting to block user "null" but they need to be a forum mod to do so

[flint snow]

@sleek egret Are we going to be able to generate keys or discounts/coupons in the portal, you think?

[sleek egret]

@flint snow Eventually I'm just not sure when

[flint snow]

woot, that would be nice.

[sleek egret]

@gaunt flicker Okay good to know. The more information you can send me on this the better but please don't accidentally do evil in your pursuit of knowledge

[gaunt flicker]

I dont like being sued

[sleek egret]

Few people do

[gaunt flicker]

Although I still don't know whether my latest mp tool is okay

Yolo

[sleek egret]

Which one? I'm logged in so I can see what's happening

[gaunt flicker]

I can download mp assets without the launcher

Because I needed them on Linux

[sleek egret]

Ooooooh...are you doing this without purchasing them?

[gaunt flicker]

No... you need to own them

[sleek egret]

Okay. Oh wait someone told me you did this today

[gaunt flicker]

However the pdf I sent yall twice outlines how you can download assets from Epic without owning them

So.... theres that

[sleek egret]

y'all as in Epic or did you send it my way only to be lost?