Yeah, seems like something that should get some attention, probably a spotlight from Alex
#fab
lone mountain
gaunt flicker
oak thistle
Haha. What did it just devour? The unicorn?
lone mountain
That duck...
You know what's funny..after all the shit that guy got
He probably had the most "free press" from this release
or last release whatever
oak thistle
Scroll up sometimes 😉
ebon leaf
lol
@oak thistle dahell... i have never heard of that plugin. You need to post that in as many more places as possible 0.o
I second the notion to get it up and running in 4.14/4.15 btw! Looks to be a very useful tool IMO
oak thistle
Yeah, I kinda didn't really try because it didn't feel quite ready and there was more I wanted to add. But then I didn't get time to work on it...
ebon leaf
even with what it has included (based on the info on that page) you really should promote it... documentation is super time consuming, hell even if all it did was generate an empty table with the names in it it'd still be a great tool, and it does way more than that haha.
oak thistle
Yeah, it works well enough that I've used it for both my marketplace plugins.
I'll try to bring it up to date in the next few days.
ebon leaf
You should talk to epic about getting it listed on the marketplace as a free plugin too... could promote some sort of standardised documentation among devs which would be amazing
though I dunno how much work plugin submission is lol
oak thistle
Perhaps. Although I already have one free plugin on the MP, not sure I have the time to provide support for another.
ebon leaf
ah yeah... support is a bummer haha. Submit it under another name and don't ever check the account. Might I suggest "TotallyNotAllar" 😛
oak thistle
Haha. It's true, you are allowed to submit a different email address as the support address. Can't imagine they do any checking on whose address it actually is...
ebon leaf
haha XD
tbh, free plugins should be provided as is and people shouldn't really expect support IMO... but I also understand how not doing so can lead to damaging your business on paid products so I can totally understand the hesitation to submit because of that.
oak thistle
Yeah. I asked Epic about it previously, from their point of view, they still expect you to provide support.
ebon leaf
...derp. I guess I understand that from their point. But eh. Submit it with a $5 price tag 😛
oak thistle
You think people don't expect support when they pay $5? 😉
ebon leaf
haha nah I know they do 😛 but at least it'd make you a little money and it'd keep out a certain group of people so it'd lower the support haha
oak thistle
True.
@plush pond Yeah was joking, was just funny cos it was basically all that had been discussed today 😃
plush pond
Not the first time this has happened to me tho
heady moth
Yeah, early marketing is not something i do for all our packs. It is extremely weird that they weren't aware of same-name assets, and that they release the same date.
elfin plinth
@heady moth you were aware of his product and naming before you submitted yours though?
it's odd that two packs use exactly same name
modern perch
yeah, that strikes me as odd too
delicate dove
it would be weird if both where "Ultra horror duck omega Z" names.
But since both are Photo Modes, and are basically well.. Photo Modes.. im not surprised the names are identical
any game I know calls it photo mode
id be more weird if both where called Digital Digital Camera mode :p
oak thistle
@quaint cedar Created it a few months ago (longer?) and I think I only sent one tweet. 😉
Been meaning to make an effort to be more active, but I'm just useless at that kind of thing to be honest.
quaint cedar
Welp, I tweeted about the plugin now, as I didn't know about it either.
Tagged you in the post
Will try it out for my marketplace products. Can't hurt to have documentation API pages
oak thistle
Cheers. I'll get it updated soon, it won't take long.
ebon leaf
@elfin plinth I know @heady moth definitely wasn't aware of his photo mode. I informed her of it not that long ago - after she had told me about hers and already been through submission and such.
All this aside... Epic are meant to have a rule about no generic names. That rule has definitely not been enforced for some time, what with all the inventory systems and radial dials having names that basically say that 😛 so it was only a matter of time until this happened haha
elfin plinth
I can't really see the naming convention changing as long as their search works like it works
ebon leaf
@elfin plinth agreed
zealous kelp
ill laugh if the plugin release this week has a photo mode plugin
ebon leaf
It all comes back to those base level issues the marketplace has lol... no one is going to name their photo mode something like "Digital Capture Suite" or anything when that is goign to result in no one ever being able to find it haha
but... they are fixing that soon at least.
elfin plinth
yeah, I'm having really huge difficulties even finding the exact assets there, as none of the searches usually mach
they should have a tagging system where people could put tags that search would use as basis
ebon leaf
yep. You also can't search by developer XD
ebon leaf
They are implementing a tagging system this year sometime.
its the "sometime" that concerns me 😛
december 31st, 11:59pm in the latest timezone available worldwide confirmed XD
I wonder if the feature rotation is going to result in Michael Teusch Sound Design being featured all week because he submitted 25% of the marketplace content released this week XD
hollow falcon
it would be nice if a marketplace seller had a Unique Identifier, such as a trademark/company name, that they could use on the marketplace to identify their products and therefore allow generic names that don't get in the way of each other.
ie. [Trademark/CompanyName]'s High Resolution Helicopter Model
it would also promote competition in certain areas to improve your version of generic such and such
ebon leaf
Agreed. However there are some company names on the marketplace that really need to be adjusted then... for instance.. "Epic Stock Media" which, as far as I can tell, has absolutely no association with epic lol
hollow falcon
ie. "who has the best radar system?" - "Oh thats [Trademark/CompanyName]'s radar system"
ebon leaf
Also that seller that has a name that is like 10 words long would be hilarious 😛
hollow falcon
yeah they would have to be properly organised like company house
no names like "fartknockers special surprise products"
ebon leaf
hey, don't knock FKSSP... those guys make good assets 😛
hollow falcon
"ass"ets
oak thistle
Am I right in recalling that I read ages ago some rule saying you can't use a product/trademark name when naming assets/blueprints/etc?
delicate dove
its about time we are allowed to add 5 - 10 tags to our content.
oak thistle
I mean your own name 😉
Because one thing I've been wondering about, is how Epic are going to prevent name clashes with assets and classes.
hollow falcon
ahh maybe im jumping the shark then
oak thistle
As more and more people use marketplace Blueprint packs and plugins.
delicate dove
the only reason I had luos's in my pack names was so I could search on luos, but due to their search system being wonkey, it wont show up anything on "Luos" but it will on "Luos's"
hollow falcon
thats one SQL statement adjustment to cover . tsk.
oak thistle
Haha, don't worry. I'm sure everyone searches for "Luos's" 😉
delicate dove
hehe
ebon leaf
if your product was named "Flatulent Sounds" and your company was Fartknockers Special Surprise Products... then it could still be labelled as "Fartknockers Special Surprise Products' Flatulent Sounds" without violating tradmarks I think
heady moth
I could change the name, all my packs are ..... Kit, but for something as obvious as photomode, i left it off
ebon leaf
"Photomodekittemplatepackasset" #winning
hollow falcon
im lucky in the respect I created a new word for my identifying business name. f00n. It's short for buffoon :p
delicate dove
medikit kit
ebon leaf
lol @ medikit kit
ebon leaf
by st taiku 😛
quaint cedar
Don't forget the AAA in front of it
Gotta make sure it appears first on ordered lists
ebon leaf
protip... call your company Amazin Asset Association that way Epic can't complain when all your packs start with AAA
your welcome
quaint cedar
Tz, what an unfunny idea... runs off to setup a company
ebon leaf
lol
quaint cedar
I mean, looking at what weird things and situations the marketplace already produced during the past months, I'm amazed that no one actually tried that already
ebon leaf
me too honestly 😛
elfin plinth
well they already have "AAA" assets don't they? :p
I remember some characters from past
delicate dove
what about calling your company Every Person is crazy (aka epic)
heady moth
yeah but they disallowed is now
delicate dove
Epic's modular caves
ebon leaf
Some creators still list the packs as AAA on the forums. Iron belly usually does for instance.
elfin plinth
Art Activated as well
ebon leaf
Yeah
delicate dove
"every person is crazy and art addicted " epic aaa - gun
elfin plinth
Latest Tech model, AAA quality.
The Art Activated Sci Fi Power Suit Soldier is a AAA quality character model that would make an excellent addition to any game development project.
delicate dove
^ yea that shouldnt be allowed
ebon leaf
Lol yeah
hollow falcon
who defines AAA quality though? Isn't AAA just a product that costs 10x usual because the budget allows?
elfin plinth
I think they actually had the previous models names as AAA something
delicate dove
also, why is it still for sale? it stopped updating after 4.12 <_<
elfin plinth
they've changed the names now to Art Activated
they definitely don't look like AAA-quality to me
ebon leaf
Epic are super bad at sunsetting packs lol
hollow falcon
ahh 0lento defines AAA quality, my bad :p
hollow falcon
I couldn't tell tbh. Anything better than a sketchup model looks great to me
ebon leaf
Ouch
elfin plinth
which, knowing how much people 5 star assets, is really bad...
hollow falcon
I think we should get Tony Hart or Rolf Harris to review the art section. "Have you guessed what it is yet?... that's right ! It's a copy and paste effort from Digital Homicide." /plays the wobbleboard and touches kids
elfin plinth
@hollow falcon well, if sellers can define it, why can't customers?
hollow falcon
absolutely. I wouldn't expect anything less from a marketplace that strives to keep QA to a high level
ebon leaf
just making food and had the best idea for a marketplace pack fore someone else to make
a plugin that orders pizza, both directly from within the engine and in runtime. Every game jam, that baby is gonna sell like crazy
ebon leaf
lol
oak thistle
Assuming within time limit of course. Otherwise, pizza lockout.
ebon leaf
no more game delays ever XD
leaden root
What about a roguelike plugin, where if your blueprint gets a compile error it deletes your entire project
ebon leaf
oh god
you could make an entire gam jam around that one 😛 one with the most in tact project at the end wins XD
zealous kelp
an asset flip plugin could be a hit just makes random game from your MP content and submits to greenlight
ebon leaf
isn't that prett ymuch every asset? 😛
delicate dove
and every time Jim makes a video about it, you press the flip assets button, and it just replaces box1 with box2 etc.
ebon leaf
haha
abstract hatch
@delicate dove One fresh Kitatus Medikit Kitten Kit ™ coming right up
harsh coral
I've seen some people sell their stuff on gumroad and advertise those assets on the forums, what your view on this ?
heady moth
Epic does not
5% is only on cooked games, not the assets, regardless where you publish them
Epic does not like you to publish assets that contain epic assets if you're not selling on the MP
ebon leaf
Citating stefanie: "2) What if we make an asset for the engine and sell it outside of the Marketplace?
If you make anything for the engine and sell it on your own, you will need to pay the 5% royalties if you generate more than $3,000 of revenue. "
heady moth
Ex. They don't like you selling an asset pack that contains a lot of infinity assets if you don't sell on mp
And @ebon leaf that might be incorrect, I talked to a legal worker at GDC and I was informed it was not falling under 5%
harsh coral
well, i don't particulary like buying a bunch of infinity assets either, be it from the MP or else
ebon leaf
@heady moth Oh ok, thanks for that info
Pretty sure we've had this discussion like 10 times in here and gotten varying different answers straight from epic every time lol
heady moth
Long story short, there's no clear answer or written anywhere so we're left in the dark. But also makes it hard for them to enforce a 5% cut on that.
ebon leaf
That said - I don't know anyone making over 3k a quarter outside of the marketplace due to the fact that traffic in those marketplaces are so low haha
good point 😄
delicate dove
true dat
vapid tundra
re: AAA Chars: I dont thing there is something like a general AAA Quality. AAA basically just means Highrisk, High budget Titles. IIRC its derived from economics / Venture Capitals. @elfin plinth @hollow falcon
ebon leaf
I don't see an issue with people using third party marketplaces. I do it myself for some of my packs and it allows my customers to get a far better experience when it comes to updates and such, as they are available the moment I upload them, rather than the 1-day -> 1-month turnover for updates on the launcher, depending on how messed up things are at epic at the time you send it to them lol
But I think you'd be silly to ONLY sell on those marketplaces... the exposure on the UE4 marketplace is unmeasurably higher lol
delicate dove
and even that is still rather low exposure wise
ebon leaf
Yep
delicate dove
so many people that never ever find out about the learning tab, let alone marketplace tab
ebon leaf
I have customers that I have worked with closely for weeks on one of my packs, and then they are like "Oh... you have more than one pack?! I never knew..." lol
delicate dove
or having your own pack suggested to you by people XD
ebon leaf
haha I haven't had that one just yet 😛 but tha twould be hilarious
delicate dove
"could you make something like this"
- "I made that"
"Oh, never knew"
ebon leaf
haha XD
harsh coral
I had an idea for a pack, but i dont want to be the next yellow duck
ebon leaf
Post it on the forums during development and ask for feedback if you are worried about how people will receive it 😃
harsh coral
someone will eventually find out i put a contant into the roughness channel
ebon leaf
just hook it up to a MPC and use blueprints to randomise it every tick during runtime 😛 then you can tell them it's not a constant XD lol
harsh coral
😄
harsh coral
lol, that's kinda the scenario i imagined
delicate dove
hahahaha
heady moth
That's accurate
delicate dove
<_<
harsh coral
tho i didnt want to point fingers 😄
delicate dove
haha
you win all my interwebcookies @ebon leaf
thats gonna go on my fb/twitter page
delicate dove
no worries, i dont hold many grudges
but you are first on my hitlist now, just fyi
ebon leaf
yay! I'm first XD
elfin plinth
@heady moth @ebon leaf if you read EULA, it definitely shouldn't fall under that 5%. But if you look at responses from marketplace staff in general, it's pretty clear that you can't trust their opinions on legal matters, they don't have training for that and they don't seem to consult their legal team before they answer.
I wish it wasn't so
but that's not actually all that uncommon for other places too, I've seen in past that Unity Asset Store support doesn't know even their own marketplace terms
proven lily
Hey @elfin plinth, I think I can shed some light on why there is a bit of confusion here. Technically, both situations are true and it is asset specific. If an asset uses any product by epic to be made, it will have a 5% royalty on other sites. This is things like blueprints or code plugins that make use of Epic's code base. Other products, such as 3D models, do not have a royalty applied if they were not made with Epic software.
delicate dove
they would still be uassets, using the material editor O_o
elfin plinth
@proven lily Actually that's not true either, you can't put anything Epics content on third party sites
your eula directly forbids that
well, you can put mannequin and template stuff
as they don't fall under the restricted part
proven lily
if there is a question about a specific asset and whether it would or would not require a royalty, the best thing to do is to go to the legal and licensing answerhub here: https://answers.unrealengine.com/spaces/31/legal-licensing.html
heady moth
@proven lily, I don't mean to disrespect but how can we be sure that that's the case? I have Epic employees that work around Legal tell me that that is not the case. Blueprints, and other packs are almost impossible to not contain one single Epic asset(Think of mannequin, cubes, basic materials), if those don't apply then where does the line get drawn. I much prefer to get an answer directly from Epic Legal team than a marketplace employee but as history has proven, every time this discussion has risen it turns out that it does not apply as it only applies to cooked games, not other content.
proven lily
the individuals who answer on this portion of the answerhub are specifically from the legal team, and would be the best people to ask in cases where there is any confusion
elfin plinth
your eula directly says that 5% applies only for what end user pays for the project, it can't cumulate on individual steps as that would break your own eula
also ```However, no royalty is owed on the following forms of revenue:
- Revenue from a Product which is only Distributed to Engine Licensees (such as through the Marketplace);```
heady moth
In that case we should've been directed to that page directly, rather than hearing/reading a possible truth
elfin plinth
^
proven lily
That is a fair point @heady moth, I believe my understanding is correct, however, if there are any legal questions, it is best to direct them to the legal and licensing answerhub
heady moth
Well this is where the discussion is based on, conflicting answers from non-legal team members. Unless the EULA changed since I talked to the legal person at GDC this has not been changed. Selling elswhere(going further on @elfin plinth), it is not falling under royalty if it's through licensees only, and taking that the files are .Uasset, they can only be accessed by licensees.
proven lily
Again, if there is confusion, the best place to go is the legal and licensing answerhub. I am not on that team and am not equipped to answer the finer points you are posting here. Canon would be your best bet.
ebon leaf
okay... but who at Epic do I talk to about fixing my toaster 😛
proven lily
That would be Jerry in Toaster management and acquisitions, but his main office is at your local best buy 😉
ebon leaf
"local" best buy? ah bugger... #Australia
wooden falcon
my next mesh will be a duck headed unicorn...in the low poly stylized style
btw, that image of the duck in a horror setting is pretty horrifying
ebon leaf
Editing marketplace pack information is now live!
delicate dove
"Editing marketplace pack information is now live!"
fook yes, adding penisses everywhere!
i mean, great now I can tweak content!
ebon leaf
lol 😛
delicate dove
thats a lot of editing hehe
heady moth
They managed to get all forum links and social links removed from my threads
had to readd them
packs*
wooden falcon
they removed them from the packs on purpose
they're supposed to be in your profile now, or something
I think they put too much faith in your average user to click on the author's name when they want to look for contact info
heady moth
Well, forum thread links can not be on the profile
wooden falcon
now that it seems the search keys in on words in the short description, time to tweak
here's my new short desc: A pack of high quality skull and bone props for adding atmosphere to any project (Luos Allar Epic Unreal AAA)
I keeed
ebon leaf
don't forget "epic unity steam free"
wooden falcon
lol
wooden falcon
they've made it to the early 2000's...maybe soon they'll be at mid 2000's tech
well, not mid as in 2500 :/ you know what I mean
silent shoal
@ebon leaf "Cancel" button after you pressed "Edit" button also would be nice.
ebon leaf
I agree
ebon leaf
@viral zinc yeah man... that's what years of hard work gets you XD lol
viral zinc
haha
ebon leaf
marketplace team goes wild, next feature online
heady moth
@ebon leaf and what is that?
heady moth
oh yeah just found it
ebon leaf
it's a little hidden actually, if not announced I'd probably never noticed it 😄
wooden falcon
nice start
oak thistle
Seems like the search algo has improved too, no?
Don't know why only certain stuff shows in auto-complete, but the results seem somewhat sane now anyway.
gaunt flicker
Its still blah
For example
Ah
You said what I was gonna say but differently and now I interpreted them correctly
So pretend I was never here
oak thistle
@proven lily Hey Adam, the thread you posted about asset description pages seems to be aimed purely at sellers, shouldn't it be in the Creators' subforum?
Also, what's the reasoning behind taking contact links off the asset page? I think not having them so obvious will lead to more people posting stuff in the comments that should really belong in an email.
tender flame
[QUESTION] Does Marketplace license cover "Export" of the assets?
delicate dove
its allowed, since you are allowed to edit the content, as long as the end result is used in ue4
(afaik)
elfin plinth
@delicate dove you can use marketplace content in any game engine, say for example in Unity. Only items that restrict that on marketplace are ones from Epic as they separately mention you can only use them on Unreal Engine based products
delicate dove
that wasnt a thing a while back though? afaicr
elfin plinth
it's always been like that
same with Unity Asset Store, you can use their content just fine on Unreal
of course you have to port them to UE4
but for example, I use many audio packs from unity store in UE4
delicate dove
yea, mustve mixed it up with me telling people on answerhub over and over again they cant use the inf. blade content in unity :p
elfin plinth
technically, you can even use Unity's tech demo content in UE4 as they don't forbid it, but some items on them have some limitations (which are limited on Unity as well, not just outside of Unity)
yeah, blade content is strictly UE4 only 😃
delicate dove
would be weird though to see someone print out 3d models from ue4 marketplace and put em into a blender
not blender, but a blender
a blender blending blenders made in blender, printed and put in a blender
elfin plinth
@tender flame but yeah, I second what Luos said, you are free to modify the content you bought, it's in the EULA
if you make it look like trash, it might be polite to not credit the original asset provider for it though 😄
delicate dove
haha
tender flame
@delicate dove @elfin plinth there's "UE-Only Content" in EULA, but only it's definition. Not mentioned anywhere.
“UE-Only Content” means Content that is designated in the Marketplace as usable only in conjunction with the Engine Code.
For UE-Only Content, you may exercise your rights under the License only if and to the extent that the UE-Only Content is utilized in combination with the Engine Code. For example, you may not develop or Distribute a Product that consists of or contains UE-Only Content but does not contain and require the Engine Code (including as modified by you under the License) for its use. The UE-Only Content is subject to all of the terms of this Agreement that apply to Content, as well as the additional limitations described in this paragraph. All references in this paragraph to UE-Only Content include modified versions thereof made by you under the License.
Also, I couldn't find any Marketplace related stuff in current EULA.
elfin plinth
@tender flame "UE-Only Content" is exactly that mentioned Epics content
if you look at their marketplace pages, they clearly state that
tender flame
@elfin plinth so, i have to define it myself?
elfin plinth
I hope not, at least I would not pay a dime for UE-Only content some third party provider made
I'm not sure if Epic even allows it
tender flame
@elfin plinth access to MP have any user that accepted EULA, but current version have no any statements about MP assets
elfin plinth
it's there only to make sure the free content Epic gives to their users will not end up in games made with other engines
yeah, the eula is bit hard to read for marketplace stuff but stuff is there
I wish they had a separate EULA, like Unity does
tender flame
@elfin plinth at least appendix
heady moth
Well they have a seller agreement, which kind of explains some end user eula but that's for sellers and i don't think buyers have to agree to it
tender flame
@heady moth SELLER, not BUYER
heady moth
Well that's what i just said
But it explains something
I doubt they conflict so maybe there's some useful info in there
tender flame
@heady moth my original question was Does Marketplace license cover "Export" of the assets?
heady moth
I am aware
tender flame
@heady moth ok 😃
viral zinc
@heady moth well Epic said the buyers have to accept the EULA too to use Epic content, aswell there are Epic friends etc that can jump over that at sell in outside stores content
proven lily
Hey, @oak thistle, to answer your earlier question. We thought about placing this in the Creator's Hub. However, with the contact information being moved, we wanted to make sure we made an announcement so that the community could see where they could still get the support information. For the other question. The reason we have made this change is we are pushing to create a centralized hub for a content creator's products that they have more control over. We have some more stuff in the works in this regard, but we're not ready to announce anything as of yet.
oak thistle
@proven lily Thanks Adam. In that case, can I just suggest considering some way to make it clear to customers what the support channel is when they buy a pack? Perhaps there already is, it's a while since I bought one.
I just have found that people tend to post quetions on the product comments/youtube comments, rather than sending an email. Makes me thing it's perhaps not made obvious enough, and the recent move would only reduce chances of people being aware of it I think.
Otherwise, I like the idea of a seller's hub very much.
zealous ibex
Having the same here, I keep forgetting to check product comments :p
proven lily
I can definitely discuss this with the team
delicate dove
would be nice if we finally get an email when someone comments on the product :p
tender flame
@proven lily Greetings! Could You comment an EULA discussion above? The "export" question.
silent shoal
Email could be more expensive to implement and support than making a simple notification tab with all new comments at Seller's Profile, which probably only requires to make simple UI for the web page and send a request to the database. Because I guess many of sellers checking their statistics once per day, it would be fine to see such notifications there and it's faster/cheaper to do (probably can be implemented in 1 working day).
tender flame
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/dream-apartments
I'm planning to purchase this. Is it possible to reuse (export) the models here to 3ds Max/Blender and create a derivative work from it?
proven lily
Hi Alex, any EULA discussions, as mentioned yesterday, would be best served on the legal and licensing answerhub here: https://answers.unrealengine.com/spaces/31/legal-licensing.html
I can provide very general answers, but when you have specific questions, it is best to post there
leaden root
http://i.imgur.com/VUwm500.png Oh nice new assets
ebon leaf
oh Mouse King... nice... Now I have a playable character to use for my unicorn riding duckhunt game 😃
elfin plinth
............
wooden falcon
nice one
elfin plinth
so, we are allowed to submit your first ever 3D models too?
elfin plinth
I don't see it on my marketplace
wooden falcon
I think it's photoshopped
elfin plinth
I hope so
wooden falcon
I can tell by the pixels
sullen lion
Yeah you can tell by the way they are
ebon leaf
Nah it's there... it just doesn't show up for some reason... you have to go into the "memes" category...
wooden falcon
lol
ebon leaf
XD
ebon leaf
Thanks 😃
Downloadable playable demo if you wanna give it a spin 😛 has a fun zombie killing game in it haha
wooden falcon
that sounds interesting 😃
ebon leaf
Links are on the marketplace page if you wanna give it a go 😃 Both win64 and mac versions haha.
It's nothing special 😛 btu a bit of dumb fun lol
wicked pebble
This was interesting.
silent shoal
As an author of one of them, I can say that this is sad.
silent shoal
Tried to buy some assets on the Marketplace. Found that I can't do this due to some strange error. Wrote to Marketplace Support. They said that everything is fine and I should contact to the Payment Provider. Wrote to Payment Provider and they said that everything is fine and it's a problem on Marketplace side. Absurd. Looks like I will miss those sexy main menus...
wicked pebble
What happened?
silent shoal
I don't know. Looks like bug in checkout process.
silent shoal
Here's how it's looks like. Meanwhile Xolla support (payment provider) told me that my account is not blocked and marketplace support also didn't find any problems on their side.
ebon leaf
There's been a number of changes to the marketplace lately... I wonder if they forgot a comma somewhere or something
delicate dove
<_< also kind of.. well.. mentionable that someone 1-starred celestes photo mode.
leaden root
That was me
silent shoal
I wonder why not merge ratings with reviews, like it done in Unity Asset Store / Android/iOS markets. At least sellers will be able to know the reasons why customers left negative rating...
ebon leaf
That's planned afaik
gaunt flicker
@silent shoal Are you like in Iran or something?
silent shoal
@gaunt flicker Russia
silent shoal
@gaunt flicker Guys from Xsolla tried to reproduce error and they're successfully did it.
gaunt flicker
Sounds like you're gettin shitted on this week
silent shoal
Yep. It's a worst week in this year for me. And marketplace troubles is only a small piece of my problems...
ebon leaf
Your 3 days old pack has already been featured longer than all my packs combined :S Things could be worse
silent shoal
You didn't lose a lot. Being featured won't affect sales too much. At least by my experience.
Actually I really don't know what kind of method will affect them with some guarantee.
ebon leaf
Hmmm I don't have information about this from many creators but those all said the opposite
silent shoal
@ebon leaf Yes, I know. As I said, I'm talking about my experience. A year ago things were much better and I guess two years ago it was a heaven for sellers in terms of sales. But now I see that for the 3 first days I got 2 sales. Same thing with my few previous projects, which were also featured, but still got 0-1 sales per day in the first week. I guess now everything depends on projects, not marketing and if your project is impressive, then you really don't need to do any additional promotion.
delicate dove
we are all getting less sales over the last two years.
elfin plinth
that's expected however
there's actually more items to buy nowadays
which is actually the normal situation
when marketplace was new, it was more like monopoly for sellers
which of course gave more money for the first sellers there as there was no competition
but that's not healthy situation
delicate dove
i totally understand that hehe
elfin plinth
but to get back to current state of marketplace
do sellers get transaction ID's nowadays?
like IDs for reported sales, or do you still have to request that data?
or do you still have to fly blind and trust epic that their numbers are correct?
delicate dove
still have to request that
delicate dove
hope so
elfin plinth
to me, them hiding the data sounds always fishy
delicate dove
i totally agree
elfin plinth
if they have nothing to hide, why not generate that data in report?
delicate dove
and since we now only get one sales report a day, instead of close to real time..
elfin plinth
and that change happened when people started to wonder about negative sales figures I think..
delicate dove
yea
elfin plinth
of course sellers want to know why those are there, but now that they don't show in final report, they can't ask what happened
delicate dove
when the first big credit card fraud was found
sometimes it does when the sales say "0 sales" instead of not showing any sales for that pack
but not if you had i.e. 3 sales and one gets refunded.
so you see 2 sales, and will never know
hoary topaz
stumbled across this on youtube; some guy is offering to give away marketplace assets in exchange for subscribers - should I report it to epic?
ebon leaf
unless he's the author of the asset, definitely
hoary topaz
he isnt the author, he has other videos offering assets from different authors. reporting now
elfin plinth
ebon leaf
Yeah definitely report. I'm going to as well
ebon leaf
We need the authors of those packs to do dmcas don't we?
well, use the reporting system anyways. Copyright stuff is always "creator of or legal representative of creator" only -.-
ebon leaf
lol wtf... 11 part tutorial series without voice over
ebon leaf
yeah... i just wasn't gonna bring attention to it lol
emailed kubold... but they are closed on weekends lol
ebon leaf
How can someone be that silly, I hope Epics legal department can do something here
quaint cedar
I always love it when websites like youtube have no report reason "Piracy"
I mean, srsly?
I can report him for all kinds of stuff, but not for distributing stuff
ebon leaf
You can report it for "this breaches my copyright" or something like that -.- that's it
hoary topaz
I had a think about it, since he cannot legally give away what he's offering, doesnt that make it fraud? Is silly about the report though, only the authors can do anything about it
ebon leaf
From what I can tell, in general, pretty much only the author, or the author's legal representatives, can ever do anything on any site -.-
wicked pebble
Because youtube itself is not the distributor of content, only videos. Copyright infringement is as close to piracy, when it comes to videos.
Hence why the no "piracy" report reason. @quaint cedar @delicate dove
Oop, there's literally nothing anyone but the creator can do to report it 😦
Most we can do is report for fraud.
Basically if you want to report it;
wicked pebble
Hope that helps, guys. I hate to see people doing this type of thing. Aside from me personally believing freedom is good, making someone starve because of it, is definitely not okay 😅
scarlet wave
if it occurs in the US, and it crosses State boundaries, that ramps up the legalities of it a lot, bottom line is, it can go to the FBI at that point, and they have an online reporting mechanism
ebon leaf
he's probably 10 years old
why would he make all those milestone subscriber videos with 22 subs
lean venture
UWorks Demo - Freshly uploaded. Give it some time for 1080p
Demo contains: intercepting Steam chat in-game, browsing Steam servers, registering a server on Steam
dark smelt
10/10 @lean venture Would be very keen on getting my hands on UWorks
lean venture
@dark smelt thanks! Let's hope it gets accepted!
heady moth
O.o
silver moat
delicate dove
jesus, thats quite a hit
heady moth
No email i presume?
silver moat
Nope.
heady moth
I'd make a forum thread
delicate dove
or wait for the email to arrive once you mention in public you havent had one yet :p
wicked pebble
Maybe it's from same buyer and they decided buying your affordable landscapes was a better deal? Heh
sullen lion
You keep putting out deformed planes floating in a void, and you wonder why people are refunding! 
wicked pebble
😹
real dust
Possibly someone bought all of them to see which they liked
And then concluded that the collective price was more than the pack
So they refunded everything and bought the pack
But honestly I didn't even know I could get refunds
Wish I'd known before xD
modern perch
looks like one buyer bought a stack, then refunded the lot right away
silver moat
I received an email.
Saying these 9 packages were refunded because of fraudulent purchases, while I see refunds on 8 packages only. Not sure where the 9th came from.
But that doesn't matter.
wooden falcon
that sucks
wooden falcon
that ain't no "dwelf", that's a hobbit: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/dwelf
but I guess that's still under copyright
dire bay
"Dwelf" makes me think of some LOTR Dwarf on Elf action.
ebon leaf
That's what the short description says 😮
wooden falcon
Dwelf makes me think of an elf who dwells way to much on his life decisions
dire bay
A dwarf dong would break an elf! Unless we're talking about Rockseer Elves.
wicked pebble
@wooden falcon could possibly be copyrighted still.
quaint cedar
How much in advance do I need to ask for a sale again? @proven lily
ebon leaf
2 weeks
quaint cedar
.>
ebon leaf
@proven lily Is there going to be a community pick poll this month? Usually it's up and running by now 😛
leaden root
Yea I need to vote for the duck
ebon leaf
lol we all need to vote for the duck. obey the duck. quack. quack. quack.
gaunt flicker
I am 100% voting duck only
ebon leaf
Ducks are good and all... but everyone loves explosion, so why not consider vote [1] for BOOM! Explosions Toolkit, then [2] and [3] on duck 😉 lol
ebon leaf
I know 😦 Very foolish of me. I underestimated his quackiness.
thorny zenith
guys what you think
vapid tundra
looks really nice! @thorny zenith
wooden falcon
obviously the duck and the unicorn are going to be high on the list for community pick...or was the unicorn from last month? All time seems to be skewed around it
ebon leaf
unicorn was last month
unkempt sand
how is your expiriance with selling on store?
is it worth it?
i was think to start make items in my free time
wooden falcon
if you offer a quality product, preferably duck or unicorn related, it's a nice experience
delicate dove
slaps @wooden falcon
unkempt sand
lol, how do you mean unicorn related?
i was think to start byu make few music instruments
maybe later gas pumps
i dont know, some sofas, i wasnt think to make one, but maybe bundle, like 5 sofas...
is it worth, becouse i also have oportunity to work freelance
but i like idea of not have preasure whan will i finish, and just work whan i have time
just, let say, in few year, will that time repay?
and i am not beginer, i work advertise and movies mostrly, i am using, painter, mari... zbrush for long time, and i already work for 2 years on next gen game title, so i know PBR pipeline...
only thing i dont know, and i would like to learn, is how to make complex shader, i know in teaory
but in my company, programers are doing materials, and we only do id, color map, normal map, masks... and than put all of it in engine, and just twick parametars... so only what is still have to learn is how to make shader to do same as we have in studio
but i already work with nodes on designer so it should be easyer than someone who just start
just want to know, if i do quality items, can i expect some selling in next few years, or is it more for people who just finish school and want to spend some time doing something before real job come
wooden falcon
yah, if you make good stuff, it'll probably be worth it FanARTic
unkempt sand
i know that turbosquid is realy bad to start now, becouse your model dont even come in first page, no mater how good it is, becouse there is so many artists who doing that for 10 years full time, and thay get benifits for that
wooden falcon
nah, the other marketplaces aren't worth it
unity to a certain degree, but it's overloaded
unkempt sand
my friend, was try there, and he work in ILM as lead modeling artist, and still, get only 4 sales in 1 year...
cool
wooden falcon
yah, I have a pack on unity...I only get a sale or two a month there
but as for UE4, certain types of packs tend to sell better, I think
there are some blueprint packs that sell extremely good...I think the music packs are the ones that sell poorly, at least the last time they released any info on it
environments are good sellers, I think
depends on the quality and the usefulness, of the pack
real dust
"I think the music packs are the ones that sell poorly, at least the last time they released any info on it" Not surprised
wooden falcon
this was what I meant when I referenced the unicorn, btw: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/fat-unicorn
real dust
That thing did not deserve its sales
wooden falcon
lol
real dust
And it's precedent for other crap to be published
wooden falcon
lol, one of the comments on that page: "My Modern apartment with 100 meshes doesn't get accepted and this does. You had one job, ONE JOB."
real dust
🙃
wooden falcon
and then there's this: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/little-yellow-duck
I'm not sure which would win in a fight to the death
unkempt sand
cool, i get fealing like not to many artist make models for store... and for me, that look like good side earning on long time, without fighting with deadlines (last year i was work for 40 days on my full job, and freelancing on another project with only 5-7 hours of sleep per day)
thx for info guys, i will give store chance with 2-3 bundles and see how it go
unique whale
Big launch day today, 2 new crossbows coming out and our first WW2 weapon. We've definitely reached the saturation point of weapons in the marketplace, so I'm keen to see how well this MP40 sells as it will inform us if we're going to make any more WW2 firearms, or anymore firearms at all for that matter
hollow falcon
I wonder if I can upload a chemical weapon effect and sell it. I have this idea for an invisible gas. Pretty sure I can skip the PBR requirements too !
oak fiber
I am sure a lot of Syrians would appreciate it?
unique whale
@real dust - Definitely not as much as I was hoping. We look at about a 16-20 month period before we break even on each weapon
I mean there's an argument to be made that we don't need to spend quite as much time making our guns look as good as they do, but our goal has always been to level the playing field for Indies so they can pump games out that are on par, visually, with AAA games. In which case we might be seeing a shorter breakeven period but we're in it for the long haul
real dust
Damn :/
unique whale
Speaking of assets though, are there issues with todays updates, usually the new content is up by now
dire bay
Hey there. I was just wondering if I could get your opinion of what the marketplace needs in terms of audio assets, specifically when it comes to voice overs. Is there anything that you're like "Why doesn't the marketplace have puking spider sounds?!" Or like, whatever. I'm a VO guy by trade, and I ran a game locatization company for years, and have access to a bunch of actors.
wooden falcon
hmm, not sure how well that sort of stuff sells
I'm sure monster noises would be cool
dire bay
@wooden falcon yeah, you're probably right. Every game has it's own unique requirements for audio. What about a bunch of standard lines? LIke a countdown, "match begin" etc. Probably too generic though.
proven lily
Hey everyone, sorry for the delay in release. Released content is out now, we'll have the community poll up as soon as possible.
ebon leaf
Lol... There's basically an Octodad template on the marketplace.
wooden falcon
Well, the more generic the better, Jezza, I'd think
Epic doesn't really release information on what sells (they gave us a general idea once, so we'd stop sending rock packs)
elfin plinth
(rock packs secretly sell the most)
proven lily
The Community Interest Poll is ready for everyone! https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?141608-Community-Interest-Poll-March-2017
ebon leaf
Excellent. Everyone vote for the duck first, and my BOOM! pack second. I don't mind playing second fiddle to great art XD
dire bay
I'm working on a "German" VO asset pack. I say "German" because it's in English with a strong German accent with the occasional German phrase. Perfect for any WWII FPS or RTS. what do you think? Hot....or not?
proven lily
sorry, it seems we missed a pack or two, we're going to update and re-add the poll in a bit.
ebon leaf
Hmm, do those who have already voted have to vote again?
proven lily
it'll be up by tomorrow morning after we've double checked to ensure it is ready to go!
yes, sadly the votes won't be counted to provide fairness to all of the packs
ebon leaf
No worries.
delicate dove
so anybody who voted and is not in this chat will also be notified of them having to revote?
proven lily
Yes, I am writing up a post now
for the forums
We hadn't had a chance to move it to featured before the error was caught, so posting there will be unnecessary
delicate dove
ah alright
wooden falcon
how bout a German art house voice over? "The player reflected on ze futility of life and said to the monster: 'End it now, for God is dead...'"
dire bay
@wooden falcon Ha! Classic! Add some "Hans und Franz" in there, and you got a deal.
ebon leaf
just watch a heap of Sniper Elite and copy their shit. People in let's plays seem to love that 😛
dire bay
@ebon leaf good call.
gaunt flicker
VOTE DUCK
delicate dove
slaps @gaunt flicker
dire bay
Howaaaaaaaard!
delicate dove
nightmare fodder
wooden falcon
proven lily
Alright, it's back up and stuck now, sorry about the confusion, everone!
everyone even!
ebon leaf
shit is it tomorrow already?! 😛
delicate dove
oops
@proven lily
" You've already responded
You can only fill in this form once.
Try contacting the owner of the form if you think that this is a mistake."
wooden falcon
I won't reward that Duck
ebon leaf
lol... so I guess our votes stay? Cause I'm getting the same message as @delicate dove
wooden falcon
BOOM gets my 1st place vote
delicate dove
Allar, trying to rig the voting because reasons :p
ebon leaf
@wooden falcon thank you sir XD much appreciated!
delicate dove
yea, but why the duck O_o
gaunt flicker
I'd vote crates if possible
wooden falcon
some people just want to watch the world burn
delicate dove
so back to my point :p
wooden falcon
game scene idea...duck walking away from BOOM explosions in slow mo
ebon leaf
XD
wooden falcon
while putting on shades
gaunt flicker
Easier to highlight issues when more people can see them
delicate dove
and fly away on a unicorn
ebon leaf
lol omg. Someone please make it
delicate dove
well.. i was saying that in poor english :p
proven lily
ah, it did keep the original votes afterall. I'll let the team know so we're aware of this in the future. Thanks for the heads up, Luos!
gaunt flicker
All hail duck
dire bay
Duck FTW
delicate dove
ebon leaf
hmm... but... look at that sweet explosion in the background
dire bay
Ducky McDuck Face?
ebon leaf
perhaps BOOM! for number two? 😉
delicate dove
ok, one more for good measure
http://mediaweb.wpxi.com/photo/2013/09/26/Taiwan_Rubber_Duck_Durk_3745635_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg
heady moth
#DuckForPresident
ebon leaf
The duck above looks like it needed a sweeeet Photomode to take that snapshot... just sayin' 😉
delicate dove
i think its both photomodes
ebon leaf
lol
delicate dove
all featured slots will be different angles of the duck
"not allowed to use the word epic"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/246790235344732170/299310198282256385/unknown.png
but on photo its fine O_o
ebon leaf
it's okay because teh logo also uses the little amber triangle that epic's logo has
duh 😛
@proven lily ^^ that might be worth taking a look at 😛
unless they are affiliated with you guys I guess shrugs
delicate dove
hugs @ebon leaf
ebon leaf
lol um... thanks? XD
delicate dove
LOVE ME
ebon leaf
but... You haven't even shown me your roughness map yet 😛
delicate dove
its for sale on the marketplace
"101 roughness map values"
basic materials with 101 variations between 0-1 values
ebon leaf
I just... I don't PBR on the first hug. I'm just not that kinda material.
Can we specular first? 😛
ebon leaf
Woot! I accept cookies for this conversation 😛
timid elm
Probably going to release the pack I teased with this soon- https://soundcloud.com/phantumus/hell-hath-a-new-king similar aggressive 80s horrorcore inspired tracks
dire bay
@timid elm woah. Feels like I'm in a teenie 90's horror movie set in a rave.
stark zinc
Is there some information available on how popular each engine version is atm? I'm wondering how far backwards I should provide compatible versions of my package. How many people are still using 4.12, 4.13, 4.14?
ebon leaf
Based on my customers, most people only ever use the current and one version back. But if you can easily do it, support as many as you are happy to (for instance, I don't understand why model submissions WOULDN'T go back a long way) as it looks better on the marketplace product page to some people 😃
stark zinc
I messed up and developed my project on a custom 4.16 build. Migrating the assets back to a previous version doesn't work, so I might as well just redo it in an older version than 4.15.
ebon leaf
Depending on what it is, yeah. If it's blueprints, if you utilise certain functionality, then there are some versions that are a lot more difficult to simply step up from 😛 for instance, projects making heavy use of timers will be a lot more work from 4.12 -> 4.13 because of the changes made there (not the best example, but easy one that came to mind lol)
stark zinc
I only have material functions. I know an arctan node was added in 4.15, which is not available in 4.14. But I can add that, no problem. Other than that, no idea what changes from 4.10 to 4.14, which specifically affects my project. But based on your info, I'll probably just go back to 4.13 or maybe 4.12.
ebon leaf
You'll be fine if you go back to 4.14 or 4.15, but if you are happy to do the work for 4.12 or 4.13 I think it's beneficial shrugs again, just based on my customer base
I know a number of people who like, even on new products, seeing that "backdated" support simply because they take it as a indication of the sellers thoroughness (which is inaccurate IMO, but it is what it is lol)
stark zinc
K, thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
ebon leaf
No worries 😃
ebon leaf
Hey @proven lily , might want to fix the link in here on the marketlpace page for the poll..
Also, if you click on the 'free' bit it goes to try and buy the poll (for free)... wouldn't it be better for it to be rigged up as an external link in the same way that some plugins are?
proven lily
Thanks! and that should be linking to the poll as well. I'll take a look and see what is going on
ebon leaf
No worries.
proven lily
alright, should be good to go now, the links decided to give me a bit of a run 😉
ebon leaf
Yep all sorted 😃
tiny stag
Hey guys, its maybe stupid alittle but when payout is happens from marketplcae?
oak fiber
You’ll be paid monthly within 45 days following the end of any month where the cumulative payment due to you is at least $100. Any accumulated account balance under $100 will be paid within one calendar year.```That's actually incorrect if you read the actual license
They always pay 45 days later, never really earlier except by a few days
tiny stag
Thanks
oak fiber
It may be incorrect but it's what's on their site
ebon leaf
@gaunt flicker your recent video really has opened my eyes on the best game design method within the engine. Thank you sir. Have you considered making this a marketplace plugin? 😛
wooden falcon
that face when you notice you got two sales on your birthday: 😃
that face when you notice the next day that they were made with fraudulent charges and reversed: 😦
ebon leaf
aww, happy birthday for yesterday 😛
ebon leaf
Ah. Very helpful lol.
Well, to be fair, it is. People should be holding the opinion you put forward in your very carefully constructed video.
I look forward to seeing the dislikes grow rapidly though lol
gaunt flicker
aye
ebon leaf
lol... it already has one /facepalm
wooden falcon
thx poison
gaunt flicker
I don't have time to be concerned with likes/dislikes, otherwise I'd never have any content
ebon leaf
haha yeah I agree with that outlook. They are a good metric of stupidity though 😛
wooden falcon
unity's doing a sale this month
ebon leaf
i look forward to a random rush of asset flips on greenlight before it dies 😛
wooden falcon
hehe
you have to have updated or gotten your pack on the store within the last 6 months, so I'm hoping I can beat the rush with a quick update
maybe I'll get a sale this month :/
idle token
@ebon leaf Which video? Interested in workflow-y things 😃
ebon leaf
@idle token I was referring to this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flEtQBPtBTc though it may not be exactly what you are looking for 😛
idle token
ahh lol okay 😄
jovial thunder
We didn't get emailed that we can now edit our product listing? 😦
ebon leaf
There was a forum sticky made about it.
as well as an announcement in here.
But no, no emails
harsh coral
Is there any event sale planned for easter ?
real dust
Sure as heck hope not, honestly
All the sales are decreasing value of the assets
It's like people waiting for sales on Steam nowadays because people know something will be on sale
harsh coral
i dunno steam sales obviously work
candid heart
Submitted to the Marketplace: https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?141926-TwitchPlugin-Everything-you-need-for-Twitch-in-UE4-well-Almost!
If anyone wants to Test it let me know i`ll drop ya a Zip file with the Plugin ❤
ebon leaf
That plugin sounds very useful 😃 I don't twitch at all 😛 but it's definitely a big audience that does so nice work
Also... It would appear that Epic have made a stealthy improvement to the marketplace suggestive search... As little as about 1 week ago, if you typed in "map" in the search, it only suggested a single result... now...
@proven lily we always hound you guys for bad things 😛 so... nice work on that (see above) XD
gaunt flicker
minimap still doesn't show mini map xD
I wonder how incremental progress is being achieved here, because dropping in a fuzzy search algo isn't incremental xD
ebon leaf
lol @ minimap not showing that... but not surprised. It's also only searching through the titles, not taking any of the short description or anything it seems 😛 so... yeah
harsh coral
yeah i found some stuff i didnt find while searching
ebon leaf
harsh coral
you can chalk two missed sales from me on count of poor search
ebon leaf
but... at least you don't need to type "Luos's" now XD
@harsh coral lol yeah... I think there's probably a lot of that tbh. But it's nice to see improvements being made, even if they are very minute and slow 😛
oak thistle
Anyone know if MP code plugins have the same license as other types of packs (shareable amongst team), or if they are per-user?
If the former, is there some procedure to getting it installed under multiple accounts?
ebon leaf
They are shareable among teams. In order to do it you need to put the plugin into the project folder, under a folder called Plugin.
So you install the plugin tot he project, rather than the engine for the project, if that makes sense
@oak thistle just saw the post by techlord - I assume you are responding to that now or should I? 😛
ebon leaf
Haha all good. Just didn't see the point in doubling up with info 😛
oak thistle
So I guess that means unfortunately there's no way to do it that lets each team member keep the pack up-to-date via the launcher?
ebon leaf
No there isn't. But, to be fair, there's not for any othe rpack type either 😛 You have to update the files to have an update. Same process for the plugin.
also, disclaimer - this is all just based on my own experimentation 😛 i've not seen anything covering it anywhere beyond discussion of the licensing anyways
TBH - plugins make working in teams difficult in general from my experience. You are better off installing them to the project if you are going to work in a team. When we tried using a plugin with perforce that we both owned, the project had a whinge when we both went with it installed to the engine lol
oak thistle
Yeah, although in my experience, it's often Perforce that makes things difficult 😉
ebon leaf
perhaps, though i've never had any issues with it otherwise 😛 but installing the plugin to the project worked like a charm haha, so we just do that now, regardless of who owns what lol
our situation is a bit more complex than most though, as I'm working on PC and my dev partner works on Mac
oak thistle
Okay yeah that would complicate things a bit more I guess. Though if the engine plugin has all binaries built it should work anyway.
My main contract project uses a lot of plugins, some I've written, some from the MP. Most are at project level, but some stable ones we each install at engine level to keep the project and source control streamlined, and haven't had any major headaches.
gaunt flicker
If plugins are installed at the engine level and the engine is on sc, no issues
Mixing and matching means issues
elfin plinth
@oak thistle @ebon leaf I wouldnt be so sure about that, they changed eula few versions back to cover code based assets that are licenced for single user.. TBH the whole EULA / marketplace licensing is a complete mess atm. They should really take example of unity asset store here as they have clear terms
As buyer, I dont atm know if that code plugin limitation applies to all code plugins or just ones that state that (and I havent seen any asset to mention that separately)
oak thistle
@elfin plinth Yeah that's why I asked, I thought I'd read something about per-seat licensing.
But this suggests otherwise: https://publish.unrealengine.com/faq
Any link you know of to official info on what you mentioned?
elfin plinth
@oak thistle ue4 eula
changelog has this ```EULA version 10:
Introduces per-seat paid plug-in licensing to the Marketplace, as well as the concept of pass-through Marketplace licensing (where content is displayed on and linked from the Marketplace, but purchasing and licensing occurs directly with the seller).
eula itself has this ```4. Paid Content
Epic may make Paid Content available to you for a fee. Your License to Paid Content is subject to your payment of the associated fee. In addition, your Paid Plug-in Users’ use of any Paid Plug-in under the License is subject to your payment of the associated fee for each Paid Plug-in User for that Paid Plug-in.```
but in the nutshell, this is a complete mess and buyer doesn't truly know what is being bought
it's totally unacceptable IMO but they still keep running business like this
we shouldn't need a lawyer to know what their terms are
they should be available on marketplace as human readable text that clearly states the terms
IMO, original UE4 eula was good and clear
it got all messed up when they started adding marketplace and launcher things into it
and now it's a huge mess that nobody can fully understand
there's a simple solution to all this, and it's to separate the launcher/marketplace license from UE4 EULA
but for some reason they never did it
also
if you look at marketplace on launcher or https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/
there's no link to the terms anywhere there
so people just have to know it's under UE4 EULA
even if you look at official FAQ / EULA link, it doesn't tell anything where the marketplace terms are when you click "marketplace" on the FAQ
also about that paid plug-in thing, they silently added that change on EULA, there's no mention of it anywhere but in the eula changelog
oak thistle
Yeah thanks for the link, going through it and it's ridiculously unclear.
And it obviously contradicts to a degree what is said at https://publish.unrealengine.com/faq
Have you bought any MP plugins yourself? I haven't so I'm not sure, but from what I can see there is no option given to purchase multiple seat licenses. Not on all plugins anyway.
elfin plinth
it's not needed
because every users would need to have own ue4 account anyway
although, you'd probably want to handle the purchase from one account
it's just that marketplaces like these like to tie up the accounts into persons
Unity does the same
and that becomes an issue when the said person doesn't work in the company anymore
although, I think unity's store allows you to buy more seats from one account
oak thistle
Yeah so that seems to be why this paid plugin user stuff is so convoluted - they want to allow someone/a company to buy multiple licenses which allows them to give it to current employees, rather than have the employee get their own license.
But if that isn't even exposed on the marketplace interface, there's zero chance anyone is going to do that, and I'd imagine most people just assume they can buy it once and share it with team members, like all other MP content.
elfin plinth
and yeah, I dont see option to buy more seats either
pulsar orchid
Hi,
I need help with something and have been waiting for well over a month for a reply from the marketplace team via email.
I have a project on the marketplace called the gallery, I just launched it in 4.15 and everything is working fine, I'm not sure If I should give you the new 4.15 version or just update the description to read compatible with 4.15
anyone able to answere this?
proven lily
Hey LiquidJoy, either is acceptable. If the pack is 4.15 compatible and you aren't updating anything new, you can just mark it as 4.15 compatible through your Seller Portal
pulsar orchid
thanks for that
delicate dove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RmY_A08qRo upcoming marketplace pack that hopped onto my youtube suggested page.
Looks rather cool, though them beards/mustaches.. hehe
plush pond
I like how the duck has a completely black texture for metallic instead of using a const of 0
wooden falcon
lol, you bought the duck?
does he have a black texture in the metallic slot? rather than just putting a 0 constant?
delicate dove
lol
wooden falcon
oh, lol
you know, I didn't even notice your comment right above the image 😉
but interesting how that's the first thing that jumps out when you see the image
plush pond
@real dust What counts as PBR? I'm confused now
what if you had a procedural mask that doesnt use any textures for the metallic channel
would that not count?
real dust
Well, afaik you need to be fully PBR
So that means you need spec/gloss, metallic/rough
Or any combination of those
Because otherwise it isn't really PBR
May just be me having read stuff wrong though
delicate dove
pastebin.com/Z1AficKB for those who wanna read up on pbr
plush pond
I thought PBR was just the way of rendering materials, a way that has at least base color, roughness and metallic. And if for instance the base color is green without a texture it would still count as pbr
elfin plinth
@wooden falcon @plush pond yeah, I commented about the black texture a while ago in this channel. But, you don't even need to wire in const 0, it's 0 by default when you leave it unconnected
real dust
PBR is a way of rendering materials @plush pond
But the maths behind it get correct results based on the roughness/spec/gloss/met maps
So if you don't have those baked properly
There's no point in using PBR
Because you're not supplying the calculations with the data needed to actually be a proper simulation of a material
SO you end up with guesswork
Meaning you might as well use a less costly shitty non-PBR shader
😛
elfin plinth
..which we don't have on ue4
and you can stop talking about spec/gloss on ue4 context as that doesn't apply here
we have spec on materials but it's not same thing on this context
real dust
Oh, did you make that thing?
elfin plinth
nope, but I've read their documentation ;p
real dust
What is their reasoning by not having a proper texture for it? xD
elfin plinth
proper texture for what?
real dust
The metallic
real dust
Yeah
plush pond
You mean the other way?
elfin plinth
Ducks materials are a sloppy job and wouldn't belong to marketplace IMO
elfin plinth
I was referring to UE4 not using Spec/Gloss and that we don't have nonPBR shader
real dust
UE4 does use spec
elfin plinth
..
plush pond
Different
elfin plinth
yeah, I said that it's not the same thing
[10:09 PM] 0lento: we have spec on materials but it's not same thing on this context
plush pond
Who?
real dust
And that the reason for Epic's requirement for it is to make sure stuff is on-par with the engine's rendering
plush pond
The duck?
real dust
Yeah
elfin plinth
duck is cartoony model anyway
plush pond
How?
real dust
So that duck really shouldn't have gotten through 😛
It bugs me out that that thing made it in
plush pond
Yeah, but what does it have to do with PBR
elfin plinth
in the nutshell, what people usually consider PBR correct is that color channel doesn't have shadows, colors have right intensity and tint for the surface they try to represent, anything else and it can be defined by artist
plush pond
😄
elfin plinth
sure some things are rough or smooth in the nature
but you can polish or make surfaces rough for any human made things
so roughness map is usually artist driven map even in PBR
plush pond
Also one thing that bothers me, why isnt the duck using subsurface scattering
Could make it look less scary
real dust
Because it's relatively heavy on performance
elfin plinth
it would require more work + it's heavier to render
real dust
And the thing's done poorly anyway
delicate dove
the duck is the embodyment of everything that is currently wrong with how the marketplace is working.
elfin plinth
probably the correct answer is that they didn't have subsurface channel on stock Unity 4 shader
real dust
But at least the Unicorn seemed decent in terms of engine-prep
elfin plinth
I'd be surprized if that's not an Unity port
plush pond
Yeah
plush pond
Is the duck at unity asset store?
real dust
Checking
Seems like it isn't
Or it's been hidden due to being outdated or something xD
Only thing I can find there is this
xD
elfin plinth
huh, I was totally expecting it to be from unity, concidering the asset originally only had color and normal maps
real dust
😛
wooden falcon
Marketplace AD
After Duck
Anno Duck
And nothing was ever the same afterward...
real dust
Wellp, there go my arguments
May I ask
Why the heck do they have the specular node if they don't want people using it?
real dust
All my assets use Specular
delicate dove
because?
real dust
Started that way when I moved to UE4 from Unity
Never changed it because I didn't see why
delicate dove
it adds to overall instructions
hollow falcon
sure spec shouldn't be used in forward renderer projects right?
delicate dove
should be fine either way
wooden falcon
all the spec map does it tighten or widen the spec hilight on shiney objects
in ue4
hollow falcon
I just thought because Epic recommends you making materials for Forward Renderer to avoid specular stuff that it makes sense not to include it
then people can choose
wooden falcon
and apparently it has no effect on metallic objects
"The Specular input should not be connected and left as its default value of 0.5 for most cases. It is value between 0 and 1 and is used to scale the current amount of specularity on non-metallic surfaces. It has no effect on metals"
hmm: "Assets must be modular in design, purpose, and function."
hollow falcon
ok I will upload them in 1byte chunks :p
wooden falcon
while I believe most things should be modular, that seems restrictive on creativity
delicate dove
a hero prop can still be modular :p you place it here, place it there, or on top of that building
so dont worry :p
sullen lion
If you're using the duck for your low bar, you clearly missed the obvious asset we should be measuring by
delicate dove
the duck (among a few things) is why the rules are now changed
real dust
(Haven't been too active in the UE4 community in the past)
delicate dove
to try and make sure crap like that isnt within the rules and therefore accepted
sullen lion
well I guess at this point its just subjective but if the rules have changed that's probably for the best
silver moat
Hello,
I had this problem before with people leaving fake reviews.
@heady moth had a similar issue recently as well.
It's happened to me again.
A while ago someone has left a fake comment on this product. While I wasn't aware of it, someone else has already made a reply to it.
I think that has sold maybe 50-60 units so far but unfortunately none of the people come back to rate the product, but the person leaving a fake comment rates it 1 star, making it look bad in public eyes.
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/grasshills-landscape
This time I'm not gonna ask the staff to remove the comment or fix the rating. I've spent time on creating that package, that comment and rating is gonna hurt my sales, but I take it.
For the sake of stopping it to continue happening to everyone else, please do something about this commenting/rating system.
wooden falcon
that sucks
delicate dove
O_o wtf
gaunt flicker
Vote duck
hollow falcon
Make Ponds Great Again
real dust
@silver moat Maybe try reaching out to your customers somehow?
delicate dove
no way to do that
as we dont have any info on who purchased the packs
so you have to hope they see your tweet, forum thread, etc
which barely has any influence
delicate dove
haha
i think that might be more effective
if you notice a gamebreaking bug in your pack, no way to tell your costumers to update
besides maybe hoping someone from the mp team wants to send an email
real dust
'-'
They should just let you send notifications or something
Nothing incredibly intrusive
But something
wooden falcon
and putting contact links in a separate page is only going to confuse things even more
so if we re-add contacts to our page, will they remove them?
real dust
resists urge to comment about glasses
wooden falcon
heh
I'm currently working on a skull wall material to add to one of my existing packs, but now I'm really wanting to do a duck skull wall...
not sure the duck bills would work well with tessellation though
delicate dove
lol
elfin plinth
@silver moat you sure it's a fake review? maybe the customer is genuinely not satisfied on the product
I'd be really worried if marketplace staff started removing legit ratings
silver moat
Did you read his comment?
It says the package contains background meshes only.
Which is a lie.
elfin plinth
how can you tell it's his review?
I mean, it looks likely
btw, can I see as user what assets I have rated?
I know I've low starred some, but I've also had good reasons for that
I'd be really annoyed if marketplace staff just removed them because they lowered the score
silver moat
"Dont buy is not landscape just background"
Sounds like "Dont buy, there's no landscape, just background meshes", which is a lie, which makes the 1 start rating not fair since it's based on a lie. But do I care. I can't stop it.
elfin plinth
well, did you reach out for the said person?
it's possible he couldn't open the asset properly for some reason
silver moat
He hasn't contacted me through any channels. First thing he has done was to ask for a refund, then leave that comment.
Btw he has asked for a refund from Epic, not me.
sullen lion
seems sort of like the time somebody got a refund because it was just a floating deformed plane
elfin plinth
I dunno, to me it looks like there's been an issue with the asset or confusion about what he's buying, in latter case, he shouldn't get refund but would still be good to know what was the original issue
sullen lion
Gotta send actual land to customers man
elfin plinth
my point here is that people may genuinely have bad experiences, it might not be something that you can control even
but it doesn't make the review automatically fake
silver moat
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Marketplace doesn't oblige angry customers to ask for help from the seller on the support thread when they have an issue with a product. They are allowed to straight up attack the product page in public, leave a negative feedback based on nothing and that negative feedback or lie or false accusation in case of @heady moth stays there just because it hasn't broken any of the forum rules.
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Happy customers aren't obliged to give a rate. Angry ones do rate and even if you have 60 happy customers and 1 angry, that 1 start rating convinces every buyer they'll be unhappy if they buy it.
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There's no possible way to reach the angry customer and offer help in hopes of them removing their comment and fixing their rating. Offering help to such people on the comments section only helps implying yes there is something wrong or we doubt our work.
We as sellers, are taking hit from every direction week after week, month after month, year after year. We do complain about the situation, and we do feel, "we do feel", that we don't receive the same amount of attention and compassion from Epic staff because of our complaints towards issues regarding marketplace and that only adds to the hit we take.
I for one do not care about the problems that occur for me regarding marketplace anymore. I can close my eyes on such comments and ratings, I can close my eyes on products being rejected for no valid reason, I can also close my eyes on people getting refunds because they didn't know how to use the content, because complaining about these issues which happen very often, is only making us and staff more and more divided, to a point where when talk to them on the forums, pm or email, they read but they refuse to reply to my concerns. I do not want that. I'll be quite so we can have a more peaceful relationship.
I'm sorry for the rant, well, not quite a rant. Call it words from the heart. It's not only me and these aren't my words. We're quite a bunch of sellers sharing the exact same thoughts and emotions. To all of us honestly it seems like we're the last ones Epic would want to care about in every single aspect, and it's sad, but it's going. And I hope it's gonna be fine. I hope you understand that comment on my product isn't really all the reason for me being here writing this.
I hope things get better and we (Sellers, Customers and Epic Staff) live happily ever after.
oak fiber
and just to fine point:
Harassment and/or abusive language will not be tolerated.
All Forum Rules must be followed.
Any official communication with UE Marketplace must be through official Epic Games channels.
Sellers must maintain a high level of professionalism and be courteous, approachable, responsive, and respectful toward others.
Providing information about content through forums, comments, or other Epic channels is considered official representation and must be accurate and maintained as part of seller’s support for their product.```
At this point I would hope Epic wants to make Discord (this place) AN OFFICIAL PLACE cause right now, this is NOT OFFICIAL. As per the terms they just laid out
cinder sable
@silver moat You've got a ton of stuff on the MP... and... your ratings are good. If I was going to purchase your product I would look at all your stuff and come to the conclusion that the dude was an idtiot. Trust the consumers a little more..... The dude who left that review sounds like a dork.
ebon leaf
@cinder sable to be fair, whilst I think that there are a lot of savvy consumers, there are also a lot who are never even aware that you have more than a single product until you drop it in a conversation (based on numerous times that customers of mine were not aware I had more than the Survival Game Template) so there are definitely some customers who don't investigate the seller at all. That said... I haven't read all the stuff above so apologies if this is off the mark :p
cinder sable
Nah, you are on the mark... point is valid.
Even still... He has a -6 on his review (I just did a minus myself!), so I would dismiss it....and... look at other reviews below his. Not sure how Epic can deal with this.
ebon leaf
Yeah. -6 on a comment should raise some flags to other users lol
cinder sable
hopefully......
silver moat
@ebon leaf @cinder sable I appreciate your support, but that's not my concern really.
Last time this happened to me Adam got it sorted out (thanks to him), but it happened again. And will happen again. I'm "not" upset about the fact that right now that false 1 star rating is keeping a lot of people to just skip clicking on the product and see it's pictures, description and user comments. I can afford to lose that package and it won't cripple me or make any changes in my life. It's the constant repeat of these many issues. It's the loop that's been going on for a very long time that gets us to write something here.
ebon leaf
@silver moat As I said, haven't read the stuff above 😛 woke up about half hour ago and haven't even had breakfast or coffee yet 😛 But you know where I stand on all this stuff, which it to say I agree with your concerns. Was just responding to the comment by @cinder sable because I had something to include with it haha
silver moat
Yeah that's cool.
I just sit behind my PC and think how many years would it take to create a website where comments need manual approval, or to have a website where the seller can engage their customer base independently, send updates and such. Or even simpler, to add another rule stating customers are obliged to contact the seller and ask for help regarding their issue before they leave negative feedback in public to destroy someone's reputation. There are many simple, easy steps that can be taken, which collectively create a very peaceful and healthy environment for us all but something somewhere has slowed down the gears too much.
Anyway, need some rest. Have a great night.
elfin plinth
I dunno, I still feel pretty strongly against all kinds of censorship. If anything, I'd wish people would try to solve what's the customers issue even if it feels like someone is trolling
I don't think that attitude will help to prevent these cases in the future either, if you just say people like these are fake or liers (you don't say that to your customers btw, hint), it will not get anything resolved
Also, while people put unfair ratings occasionally, many 5 star ratings are given for completely wrong reasons too (which is why I don't even believe on the whole rating system on whole)
but you don't go removing those "false" 5 star ratings if someone requests that either
also, making reviewing harder is guaranteed way to make it 10x worse
people will not rate if it's not easy
which actually is whole thing what is wrong on current community pick voting system
that just means, results are even more biased
on one way or another
so what I'm trying to say here, instead of accusing people who have issues with the assets, try to solve what is the real issue :p