...that's what we're talking about though
#fab
daring bridge
I just got the Have-I-Been-Pwned notification for the forum hack a few months ago
passwords were md5ed
I wonder who to ask if it's improved or not since then
@modern perch we were talking about packing three coordinate systems into a single channel. it's not a great idea.
modern perch
it won't have improved, it's arbitrary forum software
daring bridge
in the end the UC tree implementation needs position and rotation
or weight and rotation, maybe
literally no forum software should be using sha1 or md5 now :/
and nobody should be using forum software that does
at the worst it's a field size change and a search-and-replace to fix too
then force everyone to reset their passwords
daring bridge
sonic steeple
@tall helm thx for the link man! yes all this vertex shader stuff is too mathy for me.
i now we had some interesting time, implementing the speedtree vertexshaders into our game engine, when we made Risen3. actually since they improved their vertex shaders alot compared to older versions. the winds for palms or other long leafed plants are pretty nice but also very performance heavy. so we left some of the features out when we implemented their shaders.
i will look into the uncharted doc asap
nova scaffold
@tall helm you can have matrices too. Unfortunately this is just not exposed to us in UE4 but RHI should be able to handle that, otherwise we wouldn't have instanced static meshes
tall helm
nice nice ๐
wooden falcon
morning Market people!
flint snow
morning ๐
wooden falcon
wow, I'll never be able to reply to that nick ๐
flint snow
Any plugin people in here possibly? I have a code plugin i'm submitting and I have it all working. However, the documentation is a little unclear. I want to add some premade assets to it, so people can just take that blueprint, umg widget, and ect... and plug and play. However, the docs say to create a "Content" folder in side of the plugin directory for this. However, how does this show up in the Editor? I don't see that specific content directory of the plugin? @sleek egret
Maybe, i'm just missing something really obvious here. ๐
sleek egret
Basically they'll have to click "Show plugin content" after downloading it and it'll show up in there in the Editor.
flint snow
is there a switch to show it if already installed? like for the developer setting it up.
thanks @sleek egret for the help, i learned something new, you gave me the info to search for
didn't know you could turn that on in the View options
Actually that only shows the C++ Classes, not my content directory. I do see that Paper2D shows a content directory. I'll have to see how they do that
Ok i figured it out, there was a switch in the uplugin file ""CanContainContent": true," thanks ๐
sleek egret
No problem. Let us know if you have any other questions
silver moat
Hey @sleek egret , Is Cyber Monday what you had in mind or I should still wait for another post?
sleek egret
That was it ๐
silver moat
Great. Can I ask to extend the sale period to until Dec 31st?
sleek egret
For that one? No it's a one day thing , but you can put your stuff up on sale after the sale is over for a different amount (or the same amount, it's up to you) but since these would be going up as an event sale we have to make them differently
Also! Just to let you guys know: I'm actually going to be out from Thursday until the November 28th, I'll be out of the country at this time and largely unreachable. If guys need anything in that time you can ping @proven lily here or e-mail into the support alias.
zealous ibex
Hai, the marketplace license agreement is very very boring to read, but I think I have done it, am I correct to say that I won't be charged by epic after possible initial verification fees (idk if they'll occur)?
sleek egret
Charged in what way? For your payout?
zealous ibex
What I mean is if epic decides to do whatever, I wont be charged right?
I mean I am aware of the 70/30 split, but do I stand any risk, other than just not recieving my payout?
sleek egret
That would be on your bank's side you'd see an issue with that. It's why we have the $100 threshold to give out money so that we can avoid some of the more common ones, but you won't get a charge on your items specifically from Epic.
daring bridge
congrats @zealous ibex ๐
daring bridge
@sleek egret I'd quite like to join in on Cyber Monday but one of my assets is still sitting in some kind of queue waiting for release. Are you able to tell me when the "Advanced Glass Shader" asset will go out please?
sleek egret
? I sent you your e-mail on Friday I thought
Yep, you're slotted here for next week.
wooden falcon
Trump warned us of the cyber
daring bridge
@sleek egret it doesn't look like I got an email with a date in it
quaint estuary
insert unfunny political joke about missing email
wooden falcon
lol
daring bridge
hahaha
wooden falcon
the MP is rigged
sleek egret
@quaint estuary y u do dis? แ(เฒ _เฒ แ)
@daring bridge I'm going to send you what I have in a PM
daring bridge
thanks Stephanie ๐
gaunt flicker
Damn, not in this cyber monday sale
sleek egret
@gaunt flicker Do you want to be?
gaunt flicker
For Generic Shooter, aye
sleek egret
Cool, e-mail the support alias and let us know what discount you want it at ๐
gaunt flicker
Is it possible to list an asset as free during a sale?
sleek egret
No it is not.
gaunt flicker
Can I make something 99% off?
sleek egret
What would that leave it at even?
gaunt flicker
1 cent
daring bridge
99.99% discount
gaunt flicker
Sorry, 98%
sleek egret
So the last ask we had for this, we we're told "Nothing lower than .99 cents"
daring bridge
unrelated to the sale, would it be possible to make something free on the MP initially and have it go to paid after a month?
sleek egret
It is not unless it's a plugin.
gaunt flicker
Hmmm
daring bridge
so just start cheap and ramp up from there?
gaunt flicker
Can we discontinue an asset and then put it up again? :p
sleek egret
@gaunt flicker You can sunset it and then ask us to put it back online but we're going to need it to be to the latest engine version
gaunt flicker
In that process can it go from free to paid and paid to free?
sleek egret
Non
sleek egret
Yes but please do not break Adam.
gaunt flicker
Hmmm.
sleek egret
Allar no
gaunt flicker
Can we collectively pseudo riot so upper management gives yall a raise?
sleek egret
Please don't riot.
gaunt flicker
What do we want? More money for marketplace staff. When do we want it? Now.
daring bridge
can we start a marketplace staff charity and have a portion of every sale go towards it?
for just a dollar a day one lucky staff member can get a coffee every other week
gaunt flicker
Isn't that the 30%
daring bridge
I think that's the Tim Sweeny fund
gaunt flicker
Ah
wooden falcon
had Adam been load tested?
near heath
that seems like a loaded question
gaunt flicker
Constantly bugging @white osprey on twitter has only made him stronger
Therefore same logic applies to everyone, right?
sleek egret
Allar do not break Adam เฒ _เฒ
near heath
oh i'm supposed to bug Alex on twitter
i've been doing it everywhere
i guess i should limit it
wooden falcon
when you come back, all of the tables will be flipped
gaunt flicker
However I can't promise the rest of the sellers won't break him
sleek egret
เฒ _เฒ
daring bridge
I'm different. I don't read.
gaunt flicker
90% of the time, people don't read all the time
Just like the launcher.... 60% of the time it works every time
@sleek egret Is it planned to discuss Warden drm for the MP soon? Code for it is already public
EULA changes also already went out
daring bridge
what's Warden?
solemn prism
@gaunt flicker - What is Warden DRM?
gaunt flicker
Per seat licensing supported by code plugins for marketplace. Stub code publicly available since 9 months ago (search warden on ue github)
Code says to contact mp team
Recent EULA changes seem to be worded to allow this
oak fiber
"NOTE: The Plug-in Warden will not or can stop someone from pirating a plug-in, it might help convert users who accidentally violate the per-seat terms of the license though." doesnt seem very, useful?
daring bridge
it employs guilt
"hey don't you think you should pay for that? please feel free to keep using it though."
daring bridge
so, I purchased a set of russian solders/police
real nice characters
every time I place them into a project it tells me 42 updates were detected
does that mean it's still hooked up to a public source control somewhere?
and it's importing updates?
because if so holy fuck I want to do that, but without just giving away free access to people who didn't buy it
zealous ibex
^
Also, do mp asset names need to be non-generic? Aka is a name like InventorySystem allowed?
modern perch
I guess it is theoretically possible for it to still have source control bindings, though I would have thought the marketplace team would have stripped out that config stuff
delicate dove
10 interwebs for Allar if it works :p
(re: Stephanie_markoff - Today at 12:00 AM
Allar do not break Adam เฒ _เฒ )
gleaming echo
@daring bridge It sounds like you copy over not just the .uasset files but also the FBX / TGA / PNG files. If there are any inside the Content folder UE4 gives you a message like "Source change detected" if they have changed.
sleek egret
@tall helm Thank you Jan
@delicate dove Please do not break my staff while I am gone.
delicate dove
@sleek egret
This message is false, I'm nobody, You can save money by spending it, I can resist anything but temptation, Drowning in the fountain of eternal life, deep down she is shallow.
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wooden falcon
did someone break Luos?
delicate dove
just making sure steph has prepared her staff properly
zealous ibex
woooooow my tab for the mp just crashed ๐ฆ
Gonna work in a word document from now on xD Please make a save button ๐
cedar holly
how are marketplace items licensed? Do you need to pay authors for any of them after you buy them for using in your game?
modern perch
anything bought through the marketplace is buy once, use whenever
brazen helm
By any chance does Epic call you when you make a submission by the marketplace? after submitting I recieved 2 private calls thats all
brazen helm
coincidence then it is ๐
delicate dove
personal call from Tim/Mark
totally squeeing and ree-ing and fanboying over your work
brazen helm
hahaha
Tim, tim, calm down, now lets talk about where I want the future of unreal to head
delicate dove
oh god, i'd love to see that in a sketch
brazen helm
hahaha
delicate dove
Mark wearing a shirt with "VEGA DESERTS ARE EATEN WITH MAH FACE" or so
im not creative in jokes
brazen helm
be either, usually ends up dark
delicate dove
hehe, yea
wooden falcon
why do all the characters in Gears games look like they say Bro a lot and drink lots of protein shakes
brazen helm
@wooden falcon because they drink a lot of protein shakes and say bro a lot
delicate dove
I think its because they where once spotted with short skirts, and now feel the need to compensate
wooden falcon
I don't like games where you hide behind boxes and pop up on occasion to shoot
brazen helm
I have the game for you then
@wooden falcon http://store.steampowered.com/app/292730/
wooden falcon
Box Cutter, a game where you hide behind boxes and occasional pop up to attack someone with a knife?
wooden falcon
just watch, the next updates to UE4 will start to focus on gearing the engine towards the "Stylized Low Poly" wave ๐
delicate dove
id love to make a game with that style though, i love it. bit overused.. but love it
paper wadi
how do we update plugins from the Marketplace? I've deleted it from the engine/plugins/marketplace folder and restarted the launcher. When I click on Install to Engine it says it's already installed. Thanks
@proven lily Are there any instructions for this please?
sonic steeple
i really get carried away with my marketplace wind system haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h2T_3Ss2f0&feature=youtu.be
daring bridge
hurry up and release it so I can buy it ๐
zealous ibex
Nice ๐ฎ
paper wadi
@sleek egret Do you have any info on how to install an update to a Marketplace plugin please?
sleek egret
As the creator or as a purchase you've made?
paper wadi
A purchase I've made, Instance Tool was updated but I can't see how to install the update
I've tried deleting it from the engine/plugins/marketplace folder and restarting the launcher, but it says it's still installed
paper wadi
nope, it's greyed out
paper wadi
There are no options at all, the other plugins I have are the same. Other non-plugin assets are fine and have thenormal menu that allows you to remove local content.
daring bridge
it's not installed yet
paper wadi
it is, just not to all the engine versions I have
daring bridge
hmm
have you switched to the right engine version?
like selected it in the top left?
paper wadi
yes my thoughts exactly ๐
yep
well thanks for your help @quaint estuary @daring bridge, hopefully Stephanie will come back with a solution
daring bridge
I'd try a reboot to be sure and if that doesn't work fake my death and start over
paper wadi
๐ I'll try sacrificing a chicken too, just in case
daring bridge
original recipe if we're all sacrificing please
quaint estuary
Go to your engine version folder
in windows
go to plugins
marketplace
And if the folder ISN'T there
Create it and dump one of the other plugins in there
then restart the launcher
see if it'll think "Hey, it's installed now"
You might have to rename the .uproject or whaever
paper wadi
I just installed it to the only engine version that didn't have it (couldn't catch the chicken) and it's downloaded and installed the new version fine ... but I need it in 4.13 not 4.11!
quaint estuary
Now manually go to your Windows
go to Engine
Hang on let me get the actual file path
So go to:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Epic Games\4.11\Engine\Plugins\Marketplace\ThePlugin
daring bridge
^
quaint estuary
Copy that whole folder
Move it to C:\Program Files (x86)\Epic Games\4.13\Engine\Plugins\Marketplace
Then close the launcher, close it in your taskbar too and open it up
then you'll be able to remove it
then re-install
and you can forget this whole thing ever happened ๐
paper wadi
until the plugin is updated again ... then I'm screwed! Giving that a go ....
nope, that didn't work, still no menu in the launcher and the 4.13 project won't open with that version of the plugin
paper wadi
it supports 4.11 to 4.13, I've been using it in 4.13
daring bridge
you need a specific version of the plugin for 4.13
it has to be recompiled for each major engine version
so you may have the wrong DLLs
paper wadi
yeah, I've put the old one back
daring bridge
ok
paper wadi
do you have any marketplace plugins installed? If so do you have a menu allowing you to remove them?
daring bridge
not here I'm afraid
paper wadi
ok, well thanks a lot for your help
daring bridge
no dramas, good luck with the new life
paper wadi
๐
flat schooner
Hey @proven lily I am waiting for mu assets on marketplace it should be today. Can you specyfy when? "Summer Sound" and "Sci Fi Gunshot Sounds"
wooden falcon
it's usually not early in the day
maybe the markets are down from the US election results ๐
zealous ibex
I hope not ๐
proven lily
Hey @flat schooner, the content has already been released. In the future, we cannot guarantee an exact timeframe on release day of when it will be released. The only reason this is an exception is because it is already done.
flat schooner
Thanks @proven lily Can you tell me why there is no graphic I've send you twice only some random print screen as I main picture?
I made a proper Thum picture, Fetured Picture, FeaturedNew picture, In proper size and .png I've send it twice. I know that is hard to picture sound but I am relly trying to make the best thumb that is representing my asset
I have all the pictures on my hard drive I can send it again.
It is important to have proper picture there.
Please let me know what is the fastest way to fix it
proven lily
The best thing to do is send a message to the ticket in question requesting the update. It may have been missed in our queue.
flat schooner
@proven lily I send a mail as a reply to my asset thread with attached pictures.
delicate dove
@proven lily the "dungeon music pack" still has the skyrim screenshot as an image.
thats an extreme nono
wooden falcon
not like it would be hard for him to come up with something original
or throw together a scene out of mp bought assets, then throw the same filter on it ๐
delicate dove
also @proven lily I would really prefer that my seller reports come with a .pdf
and the new seller report is unclear as ffffff
wooden falcon
yup
just looked at it...what's the stuff below the counts?
it's almost like they had a programmer designer the report ๐
delicate dove
someone from zbrush designed this
wooden falcon
hah
delicate dove
yea, please revert to previous one
wooden falcon
next pack idea "Stylized, Low Poly US Presidential Election"
it'll have a yuge amount of orange
that is a sexy looking crossbow
heady moth
@delicate dove you can export as pdf, but they wanted to keep all of the files "online" and easy to access with overviews but this is really, really messy
delicate dove
i know, but i kept them in a seperate folder in my inbox
and now i need to export all my previous ones into a folder together with this
proven lily
Hey @delicate dove For the screenshot, please send a ticket into the marketplace-support@unrealengine.com alias. For the pdf, we are asking for any feedback to be directed to https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?128196-Creators-Hub-Feedback-and-Suggestions
This will allow us to focus our attention on feedback and requests from the content creator community and start discourse on what can be improved. I'll be adding a list of known requests from other threads to this thread as well so we can keep them in one place
heady moth
@proven lily For feedback, I have an existing thread with a list of items people are asking for for a very long time
But never have i gotten response on it, or any form of acknowledgement although it clearly lines out what we all require on the marketplace
find it quite weird that a central point of information created by non-staff never got a response or message it's been taken in account
proven lily
Hey @heady moth I completely understand the frustration there and it is something we are actively working on improving (hence the thread linked above). The post was linked in the thread above and I'll be combing through it as soon as I can to pull the data you have gathered there (thank you for that!). We are using this specific post because of what we are specifically looking for within it.
heady moth
It's good that there's now an Epic-related official feedback thread that's monitored however I hear a lot of "Working on improving communications" lately, however have yet to see actual improvement on the matter(Seller report change, 24 hours delay, etc etc). If there is going to be an actual improvement then that's great and I'll be pleased to be more communicative with the marketplace team and hear more updates on a lot of the core features that are currently lacking and greatly needed. Adding what I collected from information to that thread is useful as well receiving actual feedback on the requested features
proven lily
Hey Celeste, you bring up some great points. The seller report change was something we really dropped the ball on and is in part what has helped to galvanize these changes. We realize that opening more lines of communication and feedback will potentially help to address the very valid concerns that have been brought to our attention. While we cannot guarantee that every request will be implemented, we are doing what we can to improve feedback channels and listen to what you have to say.
delicate dove
yea, im not gonna send an email about a screenshot of something you guys failed to see.
Im not going to do your work for you.
and since you already noted the complaint about the .pdf, whats the additional use of me posting it in said thread?
its kind of easy to just divert attention and go lalalala unless its in one specific thread
not to mention that "we dropped the ball" should be your slogan by now, as its the most used sentence since the origin of the marketplace
delicate dove
hehe
tall helm
ooh there's an idea for an infomercial-like trailer
create a pickup/interaction system
"Did you drop the ball? With our amazing system, you can pick it up again!"
+1 for receiving marketplace sales reports as pdfs by email btw, that was very convenient
(especially since I always forward them to @unique vine for our 50/50 split accountability the minute I get them... now I have to manually create one first :P)
proven lily
Hi @delicate dove I understand your frustration. However, because Discord is an unofficial channel I would like to continue to assist you through the support alias to resolve the problems you are experiencing.
proven lily
I'll be happy to assist with your .pdf feedback in a more official channel then. Have a nice day!
delicate dove
its totally fine if you are ticked off, but you cannot expect people who have the marketplace its best interest at heart and notices something that should not be on the marketplace due to copyright violation to go out of their way and take more stept to tell you people something is wrong.
We could just as well ignore that, not spend our prescious time looking for proof, piracy, theft, or copyright stuff, and you will all look worse for it.
this has not been the first time something obvious has gone trough
and it wont be the last
proven lily
I am not ticked off. I have sent off the image to be looked at for possible copyright violation. However, to assist you further with official business or requests, it must be through official channels. This is why I am pointing you towards that thread, so I can officially help you. I apologize if you thought I meant I wasn't going to listen to what you have to say, however my options are limited here. On official channels, I can provide record of interaction which can help immensely in getting features considered for future implementation. I can't guarantee this, but having a post on the official channel is much more helpful in getting these types of concerns heard than in an unofficial channel. That is why I'm pointing you back to the forums specifically.
delicate dove
advice well recieved!
cinder sable
I do not have anything on the marketplace, but I've heard nothing but horrible experiences with it. What I do not understand is why doesn't someone with the power at Epic simply say, "Fix this crap, now! Get a plan in place with deadlines so it can be communicated to the community." There doesn't seem to be a sense of urgency. Honestly, that is a management failure... (IMO).
daring bridge
guys don't break Adam
that was the one thing we had to do
@cinder sable the marketplace is alright, I've been selling there for a year and a half and only had one person I couldn't help.
that's as a seller experience
just my opinion, but I think the descriptions of "failure" are grossly exaggerated. it's working really well and while there's a few annoying gaps none of them are roadblocks.
it might help that I know how large corporations work and that no matter how hard the staff work there'll always be identifiable shortcomings that were disregarded because someone further up decided it wasn't important.
it's a bit rough of us to have a go at the frontline staff for that.
particularly when they're quite good at facilitating the transfer of free money from other people to us ๐
</grease>
opaque rapids
Stephanie specifically said not to break Adam
wooden falcon
oh shit, someone broke Adam?
opaque rapids
jokes aside, I agree with antidmg
wooden falcon
quick, get some duct tape
daring bridge
@proven lily I had a question but I can't remember it now
oh yes!
so I've been releasing versions of the cel shader since 4.6. the marketplace still supports 4.6 downloads.
is it possible to sunset older versions if I email the helpdesk?
because they are waaaay out of date
in fact, I'd like to blast the 4.12 cel shader right off the face of the map, because it had a fatal error in it that only showed up for new users
cinder sable
@daring bridge I agree...management should review the issues and the folks who have concerns should take your advice above to keep cool with the front line staff. What product do you have?
gaunt flicker
I see the breaking of Adam has begun
gleaming echo
My animated medieval crossbow is now on the marketplace ๐ Check it out and let me know what you think! https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/animated-light-medieval-crossbow
Shader includes a dynamic rain and a blood effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vVSgc7gmDw&feature=youtu.be
daring bridge
that's a nice crossbow
unique vine
Das ist ein armbrust, it brusts arms.
proven lily
@honest quail absolutely, if you want us to update your content to only support specific versions, please send a message to marketplace-support@unrealengine.com and we'll get that taken care of!
wooden falcon
everytime I see an epic staff reply in here, I think of a legendary drop from Wow
which I haven't played in 9 years
atomic tendon
What sort of environment assets do you guys find missing in the marketplace? Been throwing around the idea of making some modular kits for the store.
delicate dove
make what you like doing is my advice ๐
tall helm
I'd go with make what you're best at ๐
atomic tendon
This is from unity, but i specialize in really big modular architecture
atomic tendon
โค DS
opaque rapids
to answer the question of what I think is missing - probably some asian themed environments
probably some wild west stuff as well
tall helm
modular mesh packs are always awesome
atomic tendon
looks like a modular housing would be handy
wooden falcon
very nice
I dunno, there isn't a lot of Stylized Low Poly stuff
j/k
there isn't a single clown on the MP
there's your missing element ๐
wooden falcon
yah, have a variety of oversized red noses
but in seriousness, if you are converting your project from Unity, be sure to do it right...people are pretty sensitive to that
atomic tendon
no no, i wouldnt convert
just showing something ive done, unity is really gimped for environment art compared to ue4 as well
shaders are so limited in u5
opaque rapids
aye
wooden falcon
looks really good
here's a question, if anyone knows the answer: say I make a material pack, and have a level to show off various textures..
and for a bark texture, I create a tree using a Blender plugin that is under GPL license
can I include that tree?
opaque rapids
iirc the submission guidelines mention you can include GPL content as long as it's not the main focus of your product
but asking epic staff is always safer
wooden falcon
I don't want to break @proven lily
tiny thistle
speaking of assets - I would like to see some water effects pack - splashes, fountains, waterfalls, rivers, rapids etc
zealous ibex
Just wondering, how long does the "Initial Acceptance" rougly take? (aka should I really keep an eye on my email, or is it like 1week+ :P)
modern perch
initial acceptance for us was very quick (few days), after that the rest of the process has taken 3-4 weeks
zealous ibex
ty ๐
Also considering lowering the price of my asset, would an inventory system (drag and drop, stacking, dropping etc) fetch ~5+ copies per month @ $9.99?
tiny thistle
thanx @modern perch
wooden falcon
that's pretty cheap for a blueprint
if it's good, probably sell much more than that
zealous ibex
Sweet
wooden falcon
you might look at what's available and see how they are priced
zealous ibex
Someone suggested selling it for 29.99, but I went like 24.99, ~ what the others charge
But I feel guilty asking that much xD
modern perch
$25 is not that much really
wooden falcon
the big thing though, is features and polish
if you don't have something that the others don't have, they might not accept you...there are a bunch of inventory systems, I think
wooden falcon
doesn't hurt
and even if they don't accept it, you can always make it better and try again later
zealous ibex
True ๐
Well I added a datatable for adding itens, some pretty high quality sample items etc so I hope I have something unique ๐
ok nbm just got a reply ๐ฎ
However I need to update stuff ๐
wooden falcon
nice
zealous ibex
Only 3 things ๐ฎ
flat schooner
hey did you put some assets on marketplace recently? If so hows sales going these days?
zealous ibex
I didn't, in the process of putting my first one up tho ๐
flat schooner
fingers crossed
I put my first asset in february since then amount of assets increas logaruthmic :/
oak fiber
all those new ideas and free software to make your dreams come alive!
tall helm
@flat schooner at least it's increasing ๐
unique vine
wait is it possible for something to increase logarithmically?
thats... i've never heard that as a thing ๐ฎ
tall helm
of course
it's the opposite of exponential increase
instead of gaining more and more over time, you gain less and less
Double your sales after 1 week! Then double those sales after 10 weeks! Then double those sales after 100 weeks!
daring bridge
@gritty hound I didn't realise you were in NZ until I saw the gameplanet article about your game
delicate dove
Its insane how many env artists/gamedevs come from NZ
daring bridge
you do wonder eh
maybe we have a supportive culture that nurtures talent
or maybe it's less pollution
or better food
in the US I run into kiwis constantly in fairly decent positions
delicate dove
its the food
zealous ibex
@daring bridge Fruit now rules the world? 
(quite well aware of the other meaning xD)
sonic steeple
whoop. i finally submitted the ambient wind system to the marketplace. unfortunately i am unbelievably untalented in making promotional videos haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy_-Ew008mI i also started the documentation. (which is not complete yet) http://saschahenrichs.blogspot.de/p/marketplace.html
what do you think about the documentation?
near heath
put on gumroad too so i can get now
near heath
i'd prefer to get everything through epic but i'm also not known for patience
long sand
Why did they make it so you can't see todays sales in the report anymore? This sucks
long sand
Lol
wooden falcon
and that it puts less of a load on their pentium II web server or something
near heath
hey, the sweeney can afford at least a pentium 4
wooden falcon
not after shelling out millions for some forest in NC
long sand
It's because people didn't like seeing a sale show up and disappear after a few hours with no reasons
long sand
I fucking hate this change
wooden falcon
the people who wined so much about the refunds caused it ๐
now you have to wait 24 hrs to find out
its like the box in se7en
long sand
They should just show refunds as it's own item
wooden falcon
what's in the BOX?!
long sand
This is shit
wooden falcon
๐ฉ
long sand
Now I can't see if I made enough today to go justify drinking all night at the bar
wooden falcon
lol
long sand
I have to live in the past...
wooden falcon
well, sucks for me when I wait 24 hrs, just to find out I had 0 sales
๐
it's like making your kids wait until 8 PM on xmas to open their presents
and they're all empty
wooden falcon
interesting...when an item is on sale, it tells you how much you would save off teh normal price now
nice
oak fiber
interesting. Does it tell you how much you are overpaying on the wholesale price? That is the one to know ๐
gritty hound
@daring bridge yeah lol - wait, aren't you the one I got into the nz game dev slack chat? (but I think you found it too annoying... was that you?)
daring bridge
oh shit yeah you were, hi ๐ ๐ณ๐ฟ
this discord group is easily more annoying than that lot, I stand corrected ๐
supple moon
@abstract hatch Is this the standard of unreal MP assets for desktop games? http://imgur.com/1pxwZAb
abstract hatch
What's the asset's name?
supple moon
Old Train Factory, bought it a few weeks back, opened it, cringed and almomost immediately ask for a refund - got declined because its "fine"
what the fug
this is garbage lol
abstract hatch
I will look into it on Monday, thanks for raising your concerns
delicate dove
hehe BOX UVW ON ALL THE THINGS
near heath
๐
vapid tundra
wow those screens. honestly this quality is allowed on MP?
vapid tundra
yup
oak fiber
The problem is, when all we comtinue to do is laugh, we get president #BuildAWall ๐
wooden falcon
compared to the crate pack, that one's AAA
daring bridge
crate pack?
that sounds like a good way to get some easy money. could do box UVs on them.
wooden falcon
oh, they were pretty special
daring bridge
then if you call it "shitty crate pack" nobody is entitled to refunds because they were fairly warned
daring bridge
does anyone else think combining ratings and refunds is a broken concept?
surely anyone rating something low will want a refund
should just list the percentage of refunds versus sales the product has had
someone who refunded it can't change their rating later if the seller updates it and fixes stuff
once you have a bad rating you are doomed
it's a hole you'll never climb out of
oak fiber
sounds like a system in need of a much better core design. I have always felt ratings are still so binary. Something is good or not. A degree of "ok" to someone? How the hell do I quanitify that for myself, let alone be in some kind of normalized metric for how everyone else should feel about it.
zero sense
on the flip side, our recent US election proves ratings dont really matter in peoples choices ๐
daring bridge
I'd probably just have a "recommend" button I guess
30 recommendations
etc
you can use it to rank them
don't bother with negative feedback period
since that can always be improved
elfin plinth
if it's a cheap asset, people could just make few fake accounts and spoof the results in their favours
daring bridge
if something is so bad that it needs warnings then it shouldn't be on the MP
people don't buy on rating alone though
elfin plinth
I dunno
daring bridge
they use their judgement
elfin plinth
maybe put "Report issues on this asset" button somewhere? ๐
I know that'll never happen
daring bridge
yeah that'd be nice
elfin plinth
as it would hint epics marketplace QA sucks
daring bridge
I would report all that Mr Necturus stuff as "this guy is a dick"
I suppose it's easy enough to just email support and raise an issue
elfin plinth
I dunno
I have some assets I don't consider worth the price at all
if there was a report button I would have probably used it
having to email is making me do too many things
oak thistle
I agree, a simpler good/bad metric with some kind of prompt to the buyer would get much better samples than the current system that noone uses.
Combine that with a better controlled comments section that doesn't get full of stuff that belongs elsewhere, and you have a better system for buyers to see what they're getting I think.
humble stag
Seems like 4.14 comes out this week. You always get people asking for support to latest release within a day or two. I had to make a tweak to my asset to support 4.14 preview 3, but wonder if its risky to push that to marketplace team now. Anyone else have tried to push assets from preview build to marketplace, in anticipation of final build?
oak thistle
Depends what you mean by risky. Chances are it will be fine, but if you give them something you haven't tested yourself on the release version, then if there is some issue you're wasting marketplace staff's time.
Just use preview to prepare, then as soon as release hits check it then send.
arctic siren
4.14 hopefully will have interstitial ad support for mobile. They said it would, but haven't seen it in notes yet.
vapid tundra
tbh there are a lot of Assets with issues.
on some of them you can tell by the provided screenshots.
And there are those Assets with Pricetags that resembles madness. as if some people dont know what they can charge for their stuff.
daring bridge
that asshole with the cel shader charges way too much
supple moon
@here anyone know what the cutoff date is for marketplace submissions to be accepted before the end of this year?
I would assume this next week or two will be the last?
oh it's a plugin so it might require additional checks and balances I'd assume?
anyhow,
we will probably be submitting it within the next 48hrs (need to get screenshots, etc put together)
ebon leaf
@supple moon care to share what it is?
supple moon
@ebon leaf http://odintracker.io/ (currently redirects to UE4 forum thread)
also working on a website as we speak which should hopefully launch this week :)
https://odintracker.squarespace.com/
NOTE: design is heavily influenced by https://gitkraken.com/, however I'm slowly moving the overall design to something more "unique" with http://supergrid.io, http://quixel.se/suite/, and http://www.protoolsforunity3d.com/probuilder/ being sources of inspiration / reference
I would love to hear feedback if any of you guys have any regarding the website though probably best to DM me regarding that as this chat channel isn't the place for such discussion ๐
oh also @ebon leaf we have a smaller plugin in the works which both works as a standalone + extension of ODIN Tracker BUT we probably won't look at releasing that until post-ODIN Tracker release on the UE$ Marketplace
but yeah all I/we really need to know if there is any specific things we can do to prepare our plugin for testing by Epic Games which would speed up the approval process?
as we will get to work on that as we finish the final touches on the website, submission foum + media content, etc
zealous ibex
Wait only 2 more weeks?! O.o
supple moon
@ebon leaf yes we will be supporting all currently supported UE4 Version Control Solutions as we will just be providing an extension to those plugins
Our main focus currently is getting ODIN Capture out ASAP due to NVIDIA Ansel coming out with 4.14 and while ODIN Capture is very different to Ansel it would be good to get our plugin out beside Ansel potentially steals some of our thunder ๐
Oh also @ebon leaf ODIN Tracker v0.2 is UE4 Vanilla Builds ready with support for 4.9 through to 4.13 (will try to get support for 4.14 out the door as well)
Other functionality post-0.2 release will in part require a custom build of UE4 distributed through GitHub until our Pull Requests are accepted but since more team focused projects usually know their way around source builds it shouldn't be a problem
The ODIN Capture module is our way of releasing a section of ODIN Tracker to the widest audience possible
The 0.4 release will bring support for ODIN Tasks in the Vanilla build but may lack such features as Content Browser Context Extensions for source control + task/issue (JIRA, etc) information (will be included in custom@UE4 build however)
near heath
@rare lynx just nabbed oyur latest ๐
rare lynx
@near heath Thanks for the support man! I hope you like it. ๐
near heath
don't entirely know if i can end up using it, but one of my dreams on top of dreams is for a crashed-ship environment
rare lynx
Sounds interesting. Anything you're looking for specifically that I might be able to add to my list in terms of assets?
near heath
in general, some hybrid interior/exterior pieces would be nice -- and maybe a more rough/used/destroyed set if you end up feeling specific to sci-fi but want to mix it up ๐
rare lynx
Exteriors is something I'm planning to do this upcoming year. It has been a long time coming, but we're close. ๐ I have had some requests on destroyed assets. i.e. doing completely destroyed variants of already released packs. Would that be something you'd be interested in? Or new destroyed assets altogether?
near heath
no, the destroyed variants on already-released packs would be perfect
rare lynx
Awesome! I'll see what I can do about that. Thank you for the feedback!
spice sierra
i have almost finished my first UE4 marketplace character pack, it is 6 ocean animals with swimming animations - https://youtu.be/fYEiDLfE4tw - would love any feedback before i submit to the store
cinder cobalt
they all look great to me, except for the dolphin mesh ๐ค he looks way more low poly
spice sierra
yes, he was specifically a very low poly model
might add a higher poly version also
cinder cobalt
any reason? people usually want quality parity between asset in a pack
spice sierra
the low poly dolphin was built for a gear vr game i am working on, just added it as a bonus one
thanks for the feedback, i will add a higher poly version with it also๐
cinder cobalt
you have a price point yet?
spice sierra
i was thinking 19.95?????
cinder cobalt
just curious, thoughts of whale hunting simulator in my head ๐
spice sierra
or dolphin hunting if you want lots of bad publicity ๐
modern perch
If you want the assets to be accepted on the market place, they need to be if consistent quality.
daring bridge
yeah that dolphin badly needs subdividing
dense dune
I tihnk that's intentional
that's why he is showing the dolphin so extensively at the end
delicate dove
heya @frozen tendon I cant manually add the fact my packages are compatible with 4.14 yet
they all work out of the box, btw.
unless I missed some ultra secret hidden thing, but doubt it
things like "luos's cavepack suddenly turned into candyland"
wooden falcon
is that the right adam? ๐
heady moth
Yeah it's weird they want us to update as fast as we can but we can't update it to 4.14 yet because there's no option :p
wooden falcon
so is there any reason to create custom LODs now?
silver moat
Yes. More intelligent reduction.
delicate dove
@proven lily I cant manually add the fact my packages are compatible with 4.14 yet
they all work out of the box, btw.
unless I missed some ultra secret hidden thing, but doubt it
things like "luos's cavepack suddenly turned into candyland"
oops @wooden falcon :p
zealous ibex
@delicate dove We understand you dont know the difference between dogs and cats, dont worry
delicate dove
i blame my tab button though
zealous ibex
Yes, we all believe you ๐
delicate dove
thats fine, though I always thought I had 7 cats and two dogs.. apparently I might have mixed up a few
proven lily
Hey @delicate dove That is definitely a bit odd, as it should be working. Can you try refreshing the page just to be certain? The reason for this is simply to rule out a few potential issues that may be blocking you from updating
delicate dove
@proven lily tried FF and Chrome just now, no change so far
proven lily
Awesome, thank you! I'm going to pass this information on to those in charge of this, and we'll get it updated as quickly as possible. Thank you @delicate dove and @tall helm for bringing this to my attention!
tall helm
sure thing ๐
delicate dove
np, good luck!
proven lily
Alright, I just received confirmation it should be up, please let me know if you have any further trouble
silver moat
@proven lily Hi, Works now. Thanks.
zealous ibex
OMG my submission got approved, now for the long wait ๐
fallow plinth
zealous ibex
No clue, if someone has an awnser please tell me ๐
daring bridge
@delicate dove clear your cache and turn off adblock
and the queue is about two weeks for release I think
and congrats HTC
oak fiber
Can I please just get a button in the Launcher that will hide all the incompatible projects for the current engine version I have set as "default engine to use" instead of hovering over 90+ icons? cheers.
proven lily
Awesome, I'm happy to hear it!
abstract hatch
@oak fiber Hovering over icons? You must be doin' it wrong, it all shows this end without having to hover
Oh no, I see what you mean
I'll pass the feedback on
zealous ibex
Dang it that means I have merely 2 weeks to redo my docs, but ty @daring bridge ๐
oak fiber
@abstract hatch yeah sorry, meant when adding from my vault. Cheers mate!
delicate dove
!!! Illigal content seller warning !!!
As he just tried to post in the ue4 promotion FB group I feel the need to give out an official warning for a content seller selling content he ripped from other games.
Do not, I repeat.. DO NOT! buy any content from user "Nopal" on facebook known as "Nopal Mexikalpan" he sells content ripped from other games.
He is actually perma-banned from ever selling on the ue4 marketplace because of it, and if you do decide to purchase his content on gumroad or other locations you might end up getting in trouble further down the road when you decide to publish your game.
In doubt, if you are using his content.. I suggest contacting someone from the Unreal Engine Marketplace team and ask what the best actions in your situation might be.
Greetings,
Friendly neighborhood Luos.
silver moat
@proven lily Can I update a package that is approved but not yet released?
proven lily
@silver moat Certainly!
silver moat
@proven lily Alright thanks. 4.14 broke something that I'm fixing. I will resend the project in the same ticket.
junior steeple
hey everyone -- is it possible to change the prefix on your forum thread from submitted -> released?
proven lily
Hey @junior steeple do you have a link to your thread?
junior steeple
proven lily
taken care of
junior steeple
also looking to get the forum marketplace creator flair so that people understand it's me who is the creator
thanks so much @proven lily !
proven lily
No problem
modern perch
actually, my alt account needs a marketplace badge too - https://forums.unrealengine.com/member.php?363845-DeskDragons-Luke
junior steeple
Thanks again @proven lily !
modern perch
also, the first content pack we did has been released \o/
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/desk-dragons-low-poly-dungeon
#buymyshit
junior steeple
i like that pack, love the style
modern perch
Thanks :)
delicate dove
looks sweet @modern perch
modern perch
cheers
modern perch
everyone loves low poly, right?
wooden falcon
that sure is a complex material for simple colors though...what's it doing? ๐
sonic steeple
whoop. my first item for the unreal marketplace is live!
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/ambient-physical-decoration damn
wooden falcon
cool
delicate dove
please tell me you made a small youtube movie shooting millions of bottles
modern perch
@wooden falcon - well, it does everything; it's a master material that's used across most surfaces
zealous ibex
That looks pretty nice ๐
Also, is it even possible to sell marketplace assets without being a registered company? (counting being a non-US resident)
sonic steeple
@delicate dove not yet. i wonder how many i'd need to meet <1fps
@zealous ibex i believe most of the traders on the marketplace are no registered companies. i am self employed from germany.
zealous ibex
Sweet, ty ๐
tiny thistle
@zealous ibex make sure to check your country's tax laws
zealous ibex
Tax, allways fun ๐ฆ
This is my first time even toutching tax in this way, so hence my stupidity in this subject
tiny thistle
for example in my greedy country they look at paypal as your income so you are forced to pay tax and insurance and lots of other crap
zealous ibex
๐ฆ
tiny thistle
so it is easier to setup some kind of small business
at least then you can reduce "income"
zealous ibex
Hm as I am a teen I may get back some tax ๐
tiny thistle
๐
zealous ibex
yay!
tiny thistle
just make sure you check it
just in case
some people can get away without reporting/paying tax
zealous ibex
I dont wanna risk it
zealous ibex
Also, I have to pass everything through my parents as I am <18 so no way I'd be getting away with it in the first place
tiny thistle
btw who is responsible/in charge for reporting piracy?
(for example reporting links on various file hosting sites for takedown and/or taking further legal actions)
Epic or assset creators?
zealous ibex
There is a lot about that in the sellers agreement lemme see
e. During the term of this Agreement, you authorize Epic to act as an authorized representative of you to enforce your rights against third parties that Epic knows or suspects are reproducing, distributing, selling, using, or otherwise exploiting unauthorized copies of Content, whether in violation of the EULA, your rights, or otherwise). The foregoing authorization is nonexclusive, and Epic shall be under no obligation to pursue enforcement of your rights in the Content. You will reasonably cooperate with and assist Epic in such enforcement activities. Such enforcement activities may include sending cease and desist notices to suspected infringers of your rights in the Content, issuing takedown notices to service providers pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and pursuing such other enforcement actions as Epic may deem appropriate. However, Epic will not file any lawsuit or other formal action against a suspected infringer in a court or with any other governmental authority on behalf of you without first consulting with and obtaining your approval. Unless otherwise agreed by the Parties, (i) you will have no obligation to reimburse Epic for its costs and expenses incurred in such enforcement activities, and (ii) if Epic recovers any royalties or other damages in connection with such enforcement action on behalf of you, Epic may retain thirty percent (30%) of such amounts, after recoupment of legal costs and expenses, in consideration of its enforcement efforts, and will remit the remainder to you.
``` Sorry for the long paste, but I think this is the info you want (source: http://help.epicgames.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2545553-marketplace-distribution-agreement)you can send a email to: piracy@unrealengine.com
tiny thistle
thanx ๐
cinder cobalt
Is there typically a marketplace sale around christmas?
modern perch
I would expect there will be
wooden falcon
there was a Halloween sale, right?
cinder cobalt
I think so
modern perch
IIRC
zealous ibex
So now for the challange of releasing my asset before christmas ๐
rare lynx
congrats on your first release @modern perch ๐
@cinder cobalt I believe there was one last year.
modern perch
thanking you ^^
daring bridge
I like this low poly dungeon
it'd be real good in VR
so if I take Low Poly Dungeon and combine it with Dungeon Architect I can basically toss that on stream greenlight as a sandbox VR game...
now I see the dark lure of games made totally with MP assets
zealous ibex
Doesnt VR byepass greenlit xD
daring bridge
GOOD POINT
modern perch
haha, it might be a bit low detail for VR, but it with a few additional normal maps etc, you could get something decent looking
would absolutely work with stuff like Dungeon Architect though
dense dune
it's intended for mobile?
modern perch
it's intended to be ideal for mobile, yeah
it's really intended more for top-down games and anywhere you'd want a low-footprint
delicate dove
hey hey @proven lily when will Steph be back?
Id like to ask her about something that occured quite a while ago on the marketplace.
(Nopal)
on antoher note: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/olbert-s-low-poly-wood-stronghold
"per poly collision"
and thats considered ok? ouch.
pack looks adorably amazing though (in its simplicity)
daring bridge
it's simple enough that per-poly collision might even be desirable
delicate dove
lol
daring bridge
you're able to turn that off if you need to
daring bridge
point them out?
delicate dove
if the shape allows to be so optimized like the rocks, thats fine
but the logs, all of them
could benefit from simple generated colision, or just semi-box shapes
daring bridge
do you have the asset?
delicate dove
no
daring bridge
are you sure it doesn't come with collisions and it's suitable for per-poly?
delicate dove
have you read the description?
daring bridge
that's selective reading
delicate dove
no
daring bridge
it actually says "Collision: Yes, Per-Poly Collisions "
which could go either way IMO
daring bridge
basically I think my point is you're spending a lot of time chasing up minutae you read about other vendors on the MP when you know nobody is going to do anything about it
seems pointless
delicate dove
i point it out so there can be a minimum standard of what is being expected from marketplace creators
daring bridge
I dislike seeing the epic people here being used as an avenue for complaints
delicate dove
manufactory was also called out for the same thing
daring bridge
hit up support instead?
delicate dove
thats why they are here
daring bridge
it's actually not
delicate dove
yes they are
daring bridge
as you've been told a couple of times if you want to make a complaint you need to email support
this is not an official channel
delicate dove
and ive pointed out that if I dont feel like doing that, i wont
daring bridge
you can get help, but a complaint is more serious than that
that's up to you, but I expect you're not going to make any headway here either
delicate dove
so its up to them if they take or leave it
as long as they think, hmm maybe i should take a look at that next time
thats fine with me
and if they dont
i might complain about it again next time
and if you dont like that, you can ignore me
daring bridge
anyway, it's beyond rebuke because frankly it looks useful for VR and VR needs higher detail collisions
delicate dove
its not like you have to reply with anything you dont agree with
and thats a poor excuse
it also benefits from optimisation, and per poly is all but that
daring bridge
nah I tend to step in when I think the tone towards people who don't have to be here gets a bit serious
delicate dove
hehe
they are not here just because they want to, but because it is suggested from epic's pov so they have more direct contact with the community. so they are more than expecting we can also critique either them, or in this case the packages on the marketplace.
and thats something we have done since the begining
and it helps improving the marketplace
before my particle LOD complaint, they never checked that out
now they do
daring bridge
as I understand it there's quite a backlog in the marketplace system, so something like this won't even get looked at
not to mention there are far worse assets on there
delicate dove
no excuse
daring bridge
you know what you should do? leave a comment suggesting improvments on the asset itself
it's absolutely an excuse. other people aren't robots.
daring bridge
I know you didn't because it's not there
delicate dove
there are more ways than a webpage where none of the sellers gets a reply from
daring bridge
did you get a reply from them?
delicate dove
not the point
daring bridge
what?
delicate dove
because you cant win the argument you are adding more semi-related topics to the discussion to find a point in which you might win
daring bridge
were you able to engage with the seller over the tiny point you're upset over or not?
delicate dove
im not going to respond to that
daring bridge
this isn't an argument, I'm just asking you a question
delicate dove
lol, aand this discussion is over.
daring bridge
lets get this out of marketplace
nova scaffold
@delicate dove in the light of limitation of how "complex collision" works
https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/394272/use-complex-collision-as-simple-sim-physics-no-col.html
I don't think this should be allowed
not only it's more expensive to do per-poly collision but by design there are limitations of where you can and where you can't use it
I had impression that limitation of not being able to collide two "complex collision as simple" against each other, or use them for physics, was lifted. But it seams I'm wrong.
delicate dove
well, what do i know
nova scaffold
there where release notes in 4.12 or 4.13 regarding this, don't have time to look it up.
me neither :D
it's just weird that something like this would pass if engine has limits on how it can be used
delicate dove
be careful Bored, you might get a tirade about giving your opinion on things.
nova scaffold
maybe one of the ported Unity assets, they use per poly collision with low-poly content a lot
no worries, not a first time
@delicate dove the thing is, now I remember other pack which had no collision meshes
so I guess Epic is fine with it
delicate dove
manufactora was temporarily taken down due to content like that though
stuff either had no collsion, per poly, or such big cylindricals that you bumbed against invissie stuff
so they took it tothe extremes hehe
nova scaffold
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/simple-town
second comment from the bottom
Perhaps it just need to be cleared out, people keep submitting low-poly packs and it's for everyones benefit to know if it's fine to adopt practice of using per poly collision.
With that kind of content you definitely could optimize collsion a bit, but if in many cases your collision is just a copy of the vidual mesh then it's a waste of time.
On other side, it suck to buy a package, only to find out something like "Complex as simple doesn't work with multi-trace" [just speculating, most likely it works fin in 4.13 and later]
and then spend week on export->make collisions->import merge
wooden falcon
I'm more concerned with this part: LOD: 0
๐
I mean, the vertex count says from 16 to 1686...there should be at least 3 LODs taking that 16 down all the way to 2 or something
j/k of course
I read that mod as Olbert's Low Poly Wood Stranglehold
wooden falcon
lol, someone does an amazing looking house with over 200 pieces, and one of the first comments: $70 is too high!
"I really like this Dodge Viper, but $90,000 is just too high...if you put it at $5, I'd take it"
solemn prism
zealous ibex
That is cool ๐ฎ
oak fiber
@wooden falcon welcome to the first world order of entitlement. It only gets worse as more people feel the grip of self-entitlement.
supple moon
@wooden falcon @oak fiber I assume this is the pack you're referring to? https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/hq-residential-house
which I was surprised to see on the marketplace as I saw it awhile back as a UE4 / Unity 5 comparison video and I guess portfolio piece
seriously though there is sooooo much value with that pack with so many use cases for it from prototyping suburbs, using the house to showcase prototype features (survival games), as a arch-viz template, horror / story driven games, physics and miniture cars / people in the house (Toy Story, Epic, etc) and so on
from the looks of it too all the cabinets, draws, etc are split up for easily setting up for interactivity
oak fiber
I am not talking about anypack in particular, just hte general idea that people expect the world for a dollar. Meanwhile, they will (in most cases) not understand why their own value is subsequently also undervalued. Its a snake eating itself.
supple moon
yeah I hear ya...
I'd like to think I've done my part in helping support some of you guys with the amount of UE4 Marketplace packs I've puchased over the years for various reasons
@oak fiber it does shock me how many devs I've come across who are shocked I actually pay for asset packs instead of pirating them
their defense is they pirate them first to see if the quality is up to snuff before buying them or say buying a few packs are ok but they don't buy all of them -_-
which pretty much says to me that they only probably buy the $5 ones and pirate anything above $30
on the topic of the UE4 Marketplace Vault... are there any plans for improvement in that area with sorting by tag and/or category?
also a wishlist would also be AWESOME ๐
though I would say I'm probably in the EXTREME category when it comes to asset ownership ๐
oak fiber
yeah, its pretty shitty being a dev of your own software. Freelance resolved a lot of that for me over the years, but, the amount of expectation for something Its crazy that some ppl will pay $20 for a movie for 2 hours and think that 50$ should be 100s of hours more entertaining
our valuation system as a race is so wack
supple moon
yep...
I guess when you actually work for your $$$ + understand how much work goes into the product you are more willing to put up the dough
@oak fiber kinda why we are going the free route with our product for the core of it at least
we figured it's best to look at the mobile industry and their add-on type business models when it comes to selling a plugin on the UE4 marketplace
abstract hatch
I have more packs than you @supple moon ๐
supple moon
@abstract hatch damn! though don't you review them?
abstract hatch
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supple moon
there's actually some guy on YouTube which puts up some quality reviews of UE4 Marketplace assets
in some ways I wish there was either an official or unofficial source for all content to be reviewed that way
the downside with 3rd-parties doing it is they do not have the money usually to buy every single pack
well unless they either do a Patreon or get an Unreal Dev Grant
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@abstract hatch this is the guy https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4g86nVHyAEe1ICCs6eb5zXIhdjGNFppy
kinda annoying that playlists also generate a thumbnail...
supple moon
oh I know how to turn it off @oak fiber
more for everyone else if they don't have it off
supple moon
^^ yep though I was surprised playlist links also generated full video thumbnail links hence why I even brought it up
/end of topic lol
oak fiber
yeah but I guess the topic is closed ๐
ebon leaf
well either way thanks for sharing!
supple moon
has spoken :)
but yeah on a more serious note
anyone know if there are any more updates coming to the UE4 Marketplace website design before the years end?
I noticed the "Sales" has been moved to its own tab now and "Sale Events" has also been created
๐ค on getting a rating system similar to Apple, Amazon, etc, YouTube / Vimeo / SoundCloud embed support, etc
silver moat
modern perch
5% strikes me as a fairly pointless discount
great, with the $1 I saved on this normally $20, I can get, errr, something?
tiny thistle
5% discount while pointless for buyers it adds sellers into "discounted group" so they get more exposure :/
supple moon
Maybe limit sales to 10-15% unless the product price is over $100 USD?
silver moat
Actually as packages are cheaper the discount percentage shouldn't be lower.
A $5 package with 15% off would have $0.75 discount which is basically nothing.
modern perch
can packages even be $5?
silver moat
A $200 package with 15% off would be like $30 discount which makes a little sense. But still.
modern perch
I figured the lowest was $10, but either way, yeah, the point stands
silver moat
Like look, why don't you rush and grab this to save $4.50 ?
I hope we don't see such things moving forward. And I really hope we don't see 50 packages on cyber Monday at 5% off. ^^
Some people do abuse things when they can.
But why is the marketplace team approving such sales..
modern perch
if we were to put our pack on sale, it'd probably be 25% - because it's a new package and that means it goes from $20 to $15, which seems kind of reasonable
I wouldn't want to go as low as 50% because I don't want to shaft people who've already bought it
heady moth
Also non-gamedev stores do 5% off quite a lot too, it's not a lot but for some that can be a lot, and while gamedev is another scene people are allowed to put whatever percentag they want. If you have a 5$ package, no discount amount in total will be doing much difference but the amount is relative to the price
2.5$ off a 5$ package is 50% off, and that's not going to make a lot of people eat more or buy items from it, then you can argue that no pacakges under a certain amount should be allowed to be on discount
heady moth
I do agree on the fact people put 5% off just to be in there
nova scaffold
just do the same :p
heady moth
And I don't condone it, but it's not Epic's place to fight against it, all they can do really is a certain percent can only be x amount of time, otherwise you need to drop the initial price
Which i'm sure people will still abuse and just go one day lower
modern perch
It's Epic's marketplace, if they don't want people abusing the system to get featured in exchange for a paltry discount, they absolutely can change it
heady moth
Epic is not in a place to tell sellers what they should or not do with their prices, all they can do is advise
modern perch
it has the ability to negatively influence people browsing the sales, after all
heady moth
No marketplace on that hand tells a seller "hey, no sell that for less or more"
There's a lot more bad that influences bad sales
silver moat
To some extent it's cool to let people decide how much they want to discount their work. But when it's clearly showing some people are abusing the system to get more views then they are in a place to do something about it.
heady moth
marketplace is not going to lose money or reputation beause of that
They are, and that is what i mean with certain percent for certain amount, otherwise drop initial price
which I think they should do
modern perch
sure it will; if the sale is full of things on such low discounts as to render the sale pointless, people will not browse it at all
shell jacinth
people don't browse the marketplace due to shitty ui already
heady moth
People will not browse either due to lack of filters and tags and an inclusive search
shell jacinth
where's my find assets by price button?
modern perch
this is also a problem, however it is an unrelated problem
heady moth
That harms more than putting a lot of oassets in sales tab
it's unrelated but it's worse than people having the endless sales
nova scaffold
remove sales tab and add more filters
heady moth
On another note 5% off packages doesn't really sell either. I've done quite a lot of sales because i have 6(5) packs and I can tell lower percentages doesn't increase
modern perch
the two things are unrelated, so it makes no sense to compare the two
heady moth
It is when we're talking about affecting the marketplace negatively
Sure 5% perma off sales will be bad
silver moat
They might not sell but they do distract people's eyes.
nova scaffold
doing sales should influence decision of purchase, not influence visibility. People can advertise if they need more visibility
modern perch
no, it doesn't - you don't say 'Well negative thing B is worse than A, so we shouldn't bother ever looking at A even if we can'
heady moth
Sure people do that
If you have 2 problems, one which is worse than the second they'll look at one first
I don't disagree that it's bad
I'm just saying that other things are worse
modern perch
that assumes that the issues are the same kind of issue, they are not
one is a matter of the storefront's design, the other is a matter of policy
apples and oranges
it's not like you're wasting bandwidth focusing on one issue over the other
heady moth
Relevant or not, it's also not something you need to exclude from the discussion just because it doesn't relate 100% to the reason behind the issues.
As said before, Epic should put a max time on percantages or force to drop price
modern perch
I'm not saying exclude it, I'm saying it's unrelated
silver moat
It can take some real work to implement the filters, tags and other things to improve the experience. but for some problems such as the discount amount problem, all that's needed is 1 line of text.
modern perch
to use it as a counterpoint is a logical fallacy, because it's unrelated
heady moth
Not counterpointing
I'm introducing another issue, as i've not disagreed with your opinion
In any way, even excluding my point still only gives Epic one good solution for it
silver moat
I've scheduled 17 packages at 25% off, 2 packages at 50% off and 2 packages at 100% off. Which will go live soon.
Would have had them all at 5% off for 1 year if I allowed myself to openly disrespect other sellers on the on sale tab.
nova scaffold
what is the point in having sales tab anyway?
heady moth
Sales tabs are required though
Certainly without filters
Letting people know of sales is important to sales
nova scaffold
so people can buy random stuff they don't need?
heady moth
Well for starters
tiny thistle
the power of sales is strong
nova scaffold
I'm trying to understand who beenfits from that tab besides Epic?
heady moth
It wouldn't be the first time people bought something just because it's on sale
Sellers
tiny thistle
you can see it everywhere regardless of product type
heady moth
buyers
Buyers benefit if they're waiting for it and because there's no wishlist they don't get notified of it
so if they happen to browse the sales tab they see it
sellers because sales does improve sales(well it used to)
It helps everyone
nova scaffold
yay, whishlist would be a better solution. I don't see benefit to buyers as that tab has all kind of stuff I have no interest in
tiny thistle
+1 for wishlist
heady moth
Nonetheless, a market(place) without a spot specificially for sales is unthinkable
Look at any site, they all have a sales tab or something similiar
tiny thistle
ok, how about better search? soi we can type sales % and sales $ savings amounts?
heady moth
All those features have been requested long ago
tiny thistle
so we can ignore 0.0000001 $ / % ones
heady moth
anyway, I got to go
nova scaffold
long term perspective:
- buyers don't want to have spend money on something they don't use
- sellers don't want to have clients who bought their stuff but don't use it (there is no benefit in this desides some extra $)
so "usefull" case for sales would be - I want to buy this and use in feature but what if I can save some money
modern perch
"2) sellers don't want to have clients who bought their stuff but don't use it (there is no benefit in this desides some extra $)"
As a seller, I'm perfectly happy with this
nova scaffold
I know what you mean
modern perch
if you buy it and don't use it, I make a sale and don't have to provide support
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nova scaffold
don't you want to have feedback for your products?
modern perch
feedback is always nice, but if I had to choose one or the other, I'd go with the sale every time
nova scaffold
not judging to have money as first priority, but basically what you are saying, sales benefit sellers and MP, in some cases they might benefit buyer
which is kind of backwards, no?
modern perch
tbh, that's how sales work across a number of industries
heady moth
It's kind of how the world works
modern perch
but you can't force someone to buy something
heady moth
Getting people to buy it, regardless if they need it or not
nova scaffold
ok
heady moth
Look at all the advertisement during christmas, you don't need all of it but you buy it anyway
modern perch
it's like those furniture stores that have perpetual sales; it's a mechanism to encourage people to purchase and their entire business function on the back of these revolving sales
it's also why so many people have colossal, largely untouched Steam libraries
heady moth
Exactly, a friend of mine has 1.6k games
She won't play all of that
she just got it because it was on sale
modern perch
People don't always buy things out of need, it's kind of like buying a contingency; it's cheap now and I may want it later when it isn't
if people did always buy things out of need, there would be no point discounting anything ever
heady moth
If all industries only had sales for people who needed it all those industries would go broke
modern perch
(because sales would continue without regard for changes in price)
tl;dr: 'sales' events exist primarily to serve the interests of the seller, not the buyer
silver moat
Sounds like we the bad guys need better tools to become worse guys. ๐
heady moth
Look at it like starbucks coffee
nova scaffold
yes, I know history of how 'black friday" started and nowadays it hurts companies more than it provides benefit
modern perch
@silver moat - that's what bundles are for!
you can now sell people shit they don't want, wrapped in with stuff they might ๐
Black Friday in the US is some kind of retarded race to the bottom :/
heady moth
disregard my starbucks reference :p
oh yeah heard of those, always heard it was crazy
modern perch
it's become less of a tool for sellers, and more of a cultural paradigm
silver moat
Would appreciate some advice here if anyone has the experience. https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?129069-Pricing-advice
modern perch
@silver moat: I'd hope that stuff can sell at $150 just fine, because I expect my plugin will initially cost around that much, and by the time it's feature complete, I'll probably have raised the price to more than double that
heady moth
What pack would it be?
modern perch
but yes, the $150 does need to present at least decent value proposition
silver moat
@heady moth AL2
heady moth
Selling above $30 is usually when people start buying less. Under $30 sells quite well. Now back to 150$, this is a lot of money, and you won't get "let me just buy that for no reason" buyers, you'll need to convince all buyers that it's worth 150$ and that it's worth every penny they spend. If you sell at $150 people will also expect it to be extremely good because it's expensive.
If your pack is worth it, go for it and if it's really useful and good people will buy it
but if it looks mediocre it won't sell good
Make sure you have an amazing trailer, amazing pictures or media to present your pack
What is AL2?
silver moat
AL1 did sell good at $100
I've been thinking for $150 for AL2 which does have more content.
By AL I mean affordable landscapes
heady moth
Ah
modern perch
I think you'll struggle to sell landscapes at $150
your package would have to be absolutely amazing
heady moth
Yeah, make sure to definetely get great images
And as ambershee says, you need to have amazing landscapes
modern perch
personally, I don't think I'd pay more than about $20 for a landscape, and it'd have to be absolutely solid
delicate dove
^ or over-sell with marketing like the Landscape Auto Material
heady moth
You need to convince people it's better than any world gen
modern perch
I wouldn't be inclined to fork out for a bundle, because I probably only want one specific landscape for whatever I'm working on
so I'm purchasing as a time saver
vapid tundra
"good" marketing is key. if youre good at it you can sell people almost everything.
heady moth
Marketing is indeed key
delicate dove
LAM's content isnt all that great, and the setup is all but hard. but its really fun to play with, and that was also the main focuss on the marketing. he sold em like hot buns during a winter carnival
heady moth
if your pack is great and totally amazing,, but you have shitty shots or trailers, people won't buy it
If i'd have a $150 worth pack, i'd think it sells well so i'd invest in a good trailer and marketing around it
tiny thistle
problem with some assets as i see it
- lets say character model, you can pretty much get it for prototyping and/or trying to learn from examining the asset while if you want it for finished game -
if someone else used that character in finished game using it yourself will bring "shame" to your product and lots of troll coments/reviews for your game
and many of those are too expensive compared to some random cheap stuff you can get elsewhere for a fraction of price and mostly same use - as a placeholder
heady moth
If i think it'll sell bad at $150, i wouldn't even sell at that so no reason to invest in that either if the expenses won't be paid back
delicate dove
anything thats above 100,- should imho be something that works behind the curtains