fab

[elfin plinth]

@ashen musk you should stop harassing women here :p

[sleek egret]

Yep that's all you need

[rustic siren]

Thanks a bunch

[elfin plinth]

@rustic siren basically, only epics samples are limited to unreal engine use, anything else you buy from marketplace are free to use in unity, cryengine etc

hence it's crucial that you point that ue specific assets (from epic) are not what you are selling

[rustic siren]

Fair enough

Thanks to all the lot of you

[ebon leaf]

no worries. Look slike a nice pack 😃

[sleek egret]

@rustic siren No problem, let Adam or I know if you have questions

[rustic siren]

I think I'm fine at this point

Cheers

[daring bridge]

I don't see any frostic at all. did we finally purge him?

or did he delete his comments?

[ebon leaf]

yeah... look slike ALL his comments are gone...

[slow olive]

gone from the user list aswell, at least I don't see him on there

[daring bridge]

let's call it an improvement and never speak of it again

[ebon leaf]

lol

[slow olive]

shrugs I have no idea what happened, but eh.... none of my business

[daring bridge]

I must say, gumroad does make it easy to sell

what's their cut?

what's the payout delay?

@elfin plinth do you know off the top of your head?

[elfin plinth]

nope, never sold anything there

[ebon leaf]

@daring bridge Per sale: 8.5% + 30 cents

The percentage drops to something like 3 or 4% if you pay the $10/month for premium.

[daring bridge]

decent

I may give it a go

do they handle refunds, etc, or is the seller the entire point of contact for the transaction?

thanks @ebon leaf

is there a delay between point of sale and payment to the seller?

like how epic have their 45 days

[ebon leaf]

Refunds can be done at the push of a button. I've never tried it (never had a request luckily), but there's a big blue "REFUND" button so I assume it's reasonably automated 😛

[daring bridge]

nice

so the seller is the point of contact

[ebon leaf]

And it pays out every Friday

[daring bridge]

so, what's the sales like on gumroad?

gotcha

[ebon leaf]

sales as in volume of sales? Or as in running periodic discounts?

(oh I think you need to have minimum $10 getting paid out to get the Friday payouts btw - just clarification)

[daring bridge]

nah as in how much product do you move on gumroad versus the epic marketplace

[ebon leaf]

oh. I did well on gumroad before I had my pack on the marketplace. But I've had like 5 sales since it got on the marketplace in february. However, I don't promote the gumroad one at all, I don't even know if I still have a link anywhere to it on my site or in the forum threads... So I am honestly suprised that it even gets views XD

It gives some good stats on view/sale traffic, so you know where it came from. Almost all of my views are from emails/IMs/direct links in those sorts of places

the rest are from various googles (google in different regions)

You can also do a lot of cool things like reach out to all your customers at once with emails (they can opt out if they so wish), get all your customer email addresses, provide multiple files to download (for different versions, etc.) and stuff like that. Stuff that hopefully the marketplace will get eventually, but doesn't have yet.

Can also do one-time, limited time, and permanent discount codes.

Honestly, the main benefits the marketplace has over Gumroad is that you get the exposure, and endorsement from epic. Outside of that, Gumroad has the marketplace beat hands down at the moment lol

However, those two things alone drive most of your sales I'd say 😛

[daring bridge]

neat

so it has all the things we want on the epic marketplace, but for a lower cut and slightly less exposure

[ebon leaf]

I'd say significantly, not slightly, less exposure. But otherwise yes.

[daring bridge]

haha

[manic jasper]

It's the only thing that sucks about gumroad

[elfin plinth]

from buyer standpoint, what is really really bad on gumroad is that they don't enforce sellers to put any kind of license to the things that get sold there

and since many people are clueless on need of licenses, most of the stuff on sale doesn't have any

I know there are items on sale that aren't meant for commercial use for example

but it doesn't show up on the product descriptions necessarily

people literally don't know what they are buying there

[ebon leaf]

You also, as a buyer, don't get the pack in the launcher so updating requires teh user to actually go to gumroad and download the new version. Whenever you upload a new file they get an email notification but still, I can imagine it leading to some issues in some cases.

[supple moon]

gumroad would be awesome if I could go there and search terms

but it doesn't seem to have any searchable marketplace

[ebon leaf]

Yeah I don't think it's really intended for that sort of use. But that's definitely not helpful for exposure lol

[daring bridge]

oh that's useless

so you're limited to direct links

[ebon leaf]

https://gumroad.com/discover

there is that

it's just not on the homepage

but you can search

[supple moon]

yes, it's frustrating as a buyer too. There could be things there you want, but there is no way of finding them

oh ok

😮

[hard minnow]

And what about trying itchio?

[supple moon]

itchio has a very bad layout marketplace

[hard minnow]

How so?

[daring bridge]

itchio: sales to date zero

[brazen temple]

Itchio: sales to date two

I'M RICH BOIIIIII

[supple moon]

lol

it's also massivley flooded with 2d assets, makes the place a mess

I guess the best way I can describe what the itchio marketplace looks like when I brows it is

sdifgnsdoigdngfodfngdofgnf

that's about it

[hard minnow]

Hahaha

[daring bridge]

haha

[hard minnow]

I was curious. Because I'm thinking of selling 2D assets there too with the possibility of a 3D pack as well. But

[daring bridge]

even with the cut I like the epic marketplace

but most of your income will come from marketing it yourslef

where it gets sold at is almost irrelevant

[supple moon]

epic marketplace is great, though I wish more assets on there would include some of the source material. Sometimes an asset is almost what you want, but you would like to make some changes to it!

[ebon leaf]

GameDevMarket is another one that is pretty big for 2d assets I believe

[hard minnow]

Oo

Never heard of that one

[ebon leaf]

haha it launched sometime last year. I know a few devs who purchase from there

[daring bridge]

@supple moon you can't include source materials can you? or I totally would

[supple moon]

@daring bridge I think you might be able, though it probably depends on the asset - (if it comes as a project, you could probably throw it in the project root dir)

[daring bridge]

I should try that some time

I'd love to supply a sources folder

[supple moon]

super handy, esp when it comes to LODs, since unreal doesn't export them, and having the model source still in quads, if it is a model that is 😛

though 4.14 has lod generator, exite!

[daring bridge]

woo!

I have held off ever doing LODs just for this moment

[hard minnow]

Definitely keeping GDM in my sights, thanks gift

[ebon leaf]

no problem

[fossil nest]

Does anybody know if Code Plugins would be accepted if they only contain Blueprint content?

[gaunt flicker]

^let me know if you get an answer

[lunar karma]

lod generator? i have to look into that.

[elfin plinth]

only for static meshes

and it doesn't do the atlasing atm like that actor merging tool does, so if your LOD0 has like 10 materials, your generated LOD1-3 will have 10 material slots too

but other than that, seemed to work really well on initial testing

@lunar karma https://trello.com/c/1bMdRr1N/850-done-4-14-simplification-of-meshes-and-creation-of-static-lods

[lunar karma]

Thanks

[flint snow]

if people are having paypal issues trying to buy marketplace items, is it also [e-mail] ?

[wooden falcon]

I think so

that's where I sent a person having a problem with one of my packs and paypal...don't know if they ever resolved it

using the comment section in a pack for support is a bit hokey

[wooden falcon]

morning everybody!

[modern perch]

lies, it is clearly afternoon

[wooden falcon]

afternoon some of you!

[hard minnow]

Still before noon fer me so, mornin to ya

[viral zinc]

@lunar karma per LOD selection and generation https://twitter.com/Hevedy/status/780850688402264064

[paper wadi]

Hi, could someone tell me the price of Dungeon Architect in Dollars please? I only see in Pounds here, thanks

[wooden falcon]

it is currently $99.99 US dollars

wow these pics are dark: https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/first-person-horror-template

I realize it's horror, but hard to tell what you're getting 😃

[paper wadi]

That's interesting, thanks. It's £94 here which makes it $120

[wooden falcon]

ouch

[paper wadi]

Yeah, still more than worth it, but just wondering why the difference

[wooden falcon]

VAT?

[paper wadi]

Ah of course, 20% VAT,duh 😃

[wooden falcon]

damn that's expensive

I'd hate to see the VAT on that animal pack

[paper wadi]

yeah, probably not getting a lot of sales from the UK at the moment!

the animal pack is £660 or $840 here!

[vapid tundra]

768.09€ or $859.33 here

[wooden falcon]

I wonder if that guy is getting sales on that?

[paper wadi]

Well at roughly $100 per animal it's not that bad really, if you need all of them. Not the sort of thing you'd buy out of interest alone

[vapid tundra]

idk. the price tag isnt really high for this kind of content. but most MP users are prolly indie devs without the funds

[daring bridge]

material slots have names finally?

that's the killer feature of the next release

[wooden falcon]

have they fixed the bug where new slots keep getting created every time you add a LOD manually?

[elfin plinth]

@daring bridge I think I saw the commit on master like week ago or somehing

[daring bridge]

wher wer u wen epic aded material slot naems

[rare lynx]

@daring bridge that's good to hear. I was searching for information on how to do that a couple weeks ago.

[daring bridge]

I assume that's what it meant

[rare lynx]

Hope you're right, it would be useful

[daring bridge]

very. I've got tons of big detailed meshes where I have to randomly assign materials until they all make sense

highlight and isolate isn't always useful

I just want to see the mesh name next to it, so I know what material to put on it

[rare lynx]

In 4.13 you can't even use highlight. That's been fun. 😛

[daring bridge]

it started working for me last night

oddly enough

not sure why

maybe just on unlit materials

[elfin plinth]

is this for reals? https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/marketplace/vehicle-soccer-template

oh right, it was LAN MP

[daring bridge]

man someone should make that into a game. with like, missiles

[elfin plinth]

was thinking they could never get that thing to sync properly online

[daring bridge]

call it missile soccer

[elfin plinth]

heh, even the button layout is from rocket league

I have hard time imagining how anyone could use that but well.. maybe they'll sell it to RL fans or something

[daring bridge]

I can't do rocket league with a controlle

mind you can't do it normally either

I'm so bad at it

[lunar karma]

hey

Is neofur any good?

The fur looks cool but seems to have limited application.

[slow olive]

it's good, but you could always try the fur shader from the marketplace nudge nudge

[lunar karma]

yeah was thinking long fur, maybe i'll play with the apex tool

[modern perch]

Neofur is very good, if you have a use case and a 3d app for authoring content.

[elfin plinth]

it needs special tools?

I know hairworks does

never checked the neofur pipeline

[slow olive]

neofur creates the shells iirc

[modern perch]

you need additional geometry to tell it where to 'grow' hair

doesn't have to be a mesh shell, it can also be a spline

[daring bridge]

@slow olive hehe thanks

@lunar karma I make a fur shader that makes a good base layer for apex hair

it's on special right now

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/advanced-fur-shader

users have been emailing me since the day of release telling me how it gets them laid, if that helps

for comparison, neofur is shell/fin

mine's POM

also here is a bunny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaQn8l1uFbY

I think I sold that well

[near heath]

bunneh

[drifting mountain]

Looking for some last minute feedback to see if i can improve something or if someone hits something weird in my toolkits demo before the release happens. If anyone wants to help heres the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXsj29uuRqY and heres the download to the latest demo. https://gumroad.com/l/BIOLQ Thanks and love ❤

[wooden falcon]

morning/afternoon/evening everyone!

[rare lynx]

Hey there, afternoon here. 😛

[gaunt flicker]

Ahahahahah my code plugin got flagged for containing profanity

Whoops

Wasn't supposed to submit with that logging

[rare lynx]

lol

[brazen temple]

@gaunt flicker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpigjnKl7nI

[ebon leaf]

not as fully featured as some of the other ones in the works, but here is a realtime collab plugin

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/mapsync-plugin

[near heath]

have you tried it out?

[ebon leaf]

nope, probably won't unless I hear others say good things about it. real time collab is hard, if it had accounted for all the issues I feel it would be more expensive

[gaunt flicker]

Oh snap, didn't know that was a thing

Definitely seems more like one of those 'good for 5 minutes' things

[elfin plinth]

definitely not expensive either

[dense dune]

are there any special sound sellers you can recommend?

I am not particularly pleased with what i find on the marketplace

[west tide]

@dense dune Not on the marketplace, but I found Soniss to have a nice portfolio. They also released a lot of their stuff for free (just google around, several GB of high quality sounds) and you can preview most of the packs on their website before purchasing.

[dense dune]

free as usable in commercial projects?

[west tide]

yes

[dense dune]

ok, thank you very much

I actually found a 10 GB big free sound effect, but it is not available on their site anymore, so I am not sure if I am allowed to use that now when i get it from third party hosters

[west tide]

Of course you are allowed to use it. It is also available via torrent if you cannot find a direct download.
They remove the direct downloads after a while to reduce the costs to their bandwidth.

[ebon leaf]

The torrents were provided by Soniss themselves, so don't be put off by association with something people usually associate with piracy lol

[dense dune]

Haha, that is not the point

I am well aware that not all torrent links are software piracy

It's just that I wasn't sure whether their licences applied to third party downloads aswell

but I am getting it over their torrent link right now, if they didn't want the pack to be distributed anymore they could have removed it

[ebon leaf]

Just making sure 😃 Most people just think torrents are for piracy only haha

[dense dune]

I am not sure

maybe my internet provider is killing my internet when I start loading things over Utorrent

but it seems to work after I updated the program

so maybe it was just a bufg

[dense dune]

but yeah, i finally got the sounds

i quite like them
Thanks again 😃

[daring bridge]

are you getting traffic shaped? it's not unheard of

[elfin plinth]

@dense dune technically, that would depend on the license itself too. If it requires agreement on users behalf and original content isn't shared via torrents, things could be different

but, if I remember right, those soniss gdc audio freebies were on torrents too originally (they had official torrent links)

not sure if 2016 had but pretty sure 2015 was

just to give an example out of this

if you for example got mixamo content from mixamo/adobe directly, you have license to use that content

but even while it's free atm and you downloaded the same items from torrent, it wouldn't be ok anymore as those assets haven't been licensed to you

price itself has nothing to do with licensing itself

same things apply to free items from unreals marketplace or unity asset store, they are licenced only to the person/entity that originally adds them to unreal/unity account

well, in principle anyway, unreals license still allows the whole team to access those assets but you get the point

(so does unity asset store's license too, but they have some per seat licenses as well for editor tools)

[delicate dove]

so whats with that truebones bs?

[dense dune]

@elfin plinth yeah, that was exactly my point. Just because I can get a licence for something without paying any money, that doesn't mean I am free to download it anywhere
But only the 2016 sound pack fucked up my internet, the first worked perfectly fine over Utorrent. So I think it rather was a bug of some sort. I downloaded the 2. pack over the google drive links provided

[hollow falcon]

@delicate dove I was wondering the same thing. Cant tell if legit

[elfin plinth]

What truebones bs?

If it is "the" truebones who has been promoting ikinema etc in the past, I would steer clear on anything that guy sells. He used to sell some animation packs with animations ripped from AAA games and got caught doing that. Some zombie stuff if I remember right.

[dense dune]

I do not even find that packet in the marketplace anymore

[elfin plinth]

There was lots of talk about it few years back

He was on ue4 marketplace too? :D

[delicate dove]

well he is spamming on all kinds of ue4 communities how he was raped by epic/unreal and now lost his livelyhood

raped as in, screwed

[dense dune]

if we are taling about the same thing he told that he made a blueprint that made better ragdoll effects

[elfin plinth]

Yeah, definitely sound like that guy

[dense dune]

or thats something different lol

the ragdopll set is actually months old and got good ratings

so nvm

[elfin plinth]

@dense dune no idea on that ragdoll thing

[dense dune]

ignore that

it does not add to the conversation lol

[delicate dove]

https://www.youtube.com/user/truebones/videos

lol

unity consipracy, adobe conspiracy

they alll banned his stuff

and now he claims its because people are out to get him

no bro

you don steal stuff

[elfin plinth]

Heh def that guy

https://community.unity.com/t5/Asset-Store/Beware-of-TrueBones/td-p/1383244

There are tons of other threads like that

So, he was on ue4 marketplace too?

[delicate dove]

yea

[elfin plinth]

Oh my, and I though he already vanished

[ebon leaf]

god this is long. tried listening to his "WTF UNREAL" video

[delicate dove]

hes busy on facebook, its funny to watch in real time

[elfin plinth]

Tbh I dont get why he even uses the same nick after all these years.. He probably genuinely believes he is the innocent one here

[delicate dove]

to give you an idea how bad it can get

i once uncovered this:
http://imgur.com/LM41qSh

https://www.facebook.com/groups/unreal4/permalink/686322004856711/ lol

[hollow falcon]

remind me never to fake anything with you around 😄

[delicate dove]

@white osprey you might want to take his claims rather serious, as he claims he will contact authorities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLRFsmUZhWc (4:03)

and when dealing with dildo's with massive ego's and bigger illusions of grandeur, you have to be prepared.

"these companies where jealous, truebones was just so established"

oh god

[quartz acorn]

He is active again? Oh boy

Fun days incoming

[delicate dove]

im all up in popcorn :p

[ebon leaf]

It's weird how he thinks that insulting Chance is going to at all inprove his shot

[delicate dove]

unstable minds

[quartz acorn]

Most likely :/

[ebon leaf]

"Basically there is no way to not know who true bones is in the industry" = major ego there

[hollow falcon]

maybe his notoriety preceeds him

[elfin plinth]

That guy just keeps amazing me, year after year

I like how he tried to submit brekels kinect app to marketplace

Like why would they even use middlehands there?

And why would people let a person like that sell their work?

[zealous kelp]

o god not the truebones guy lol

he also has unity conspiracy video lol

[elfin plinth]

Just watched adobe/mixamo vid

He doesnt even understand the license text he's complaining about

He finds some hidden agendas from texts that dont even imply those thing

But I guess that is what happens when you are that kind of guy

He is pretty much blaming everyone but himself

[hollow falcon]

it was world mental health day yesterday. Maybe he is doing his part for awareness.

[zealous kelp]

maybe he thinks the intrigue of a plot against him will get some interest in a useless product no one wants, i remember seeing the first spam about it prob 2 years ago, looking at it and thinking okay thats useless

[ebon leaf]

him and the under network should get together 😛

[elfin plinth]

@ebon leaf to be perfectly honest here, anyone in the industry should really know him, he's got a rep

just not in the way he suggests

[west tide]

I like how he adds "The Documentry Film" to his videos 😄

[ebon leaf]

I like how at the end of his video, he said "just one more thing" about 6 times XD

[zealous kelp]

watching the videos my main thought whilst not laughing was that true bones has utterly ruined this guys life, like beyond repair

[ebon leaf]

addmitedly, I did skip through the video... but I thought he WAS truebones?

[zealous kelp]

i cant imagine anyone else pushing it as much as the "inventor" lol

i thought i saw multiple people posting it on the ue4 facebook group but it was probably all him

[elfin plinth]

I also like how people getting caught doing illegal stuff/selling others work always deny it and blame others for it

like hacking all existing accounts at once

[heady moth]

Anyone else received report yet?

[white osprey]

"Watch Joe Peel back the layers of conspiracy as he discovers a link to the TRUTH in REALTIME."

What did I just walk into

Watching the video now @delicate dove

[daring bridge]

This sounds fascinating

[white osprey]

This is getting sent over to legal, but I think they'll just shrug if he's just saying stuff

[delicate dove]

well..

.https://www.facebook.com/groups/unreal4/permalink/686322004856711/

better read that too

he is going on a public tirade/slander

so if thats just a shurg

i dont know what will excite em

[daring bridge]

Sounds like the true bones guy is truly boned

@lavish quarry top that

[zealous kelp]

wow he even used scooby do as a reference for uncovering the truth in a post lol

[daring bridge]

Is this guy for real? He can't spell for shit

[white osprey]

uhhhh, so he apparently does this to all companies that give him a chance. I'm finding anti-adobe, unity, animstreet, mixamo and I think some others

[daring bridge]

I'd like to see him try to sue untie, maximo, abode and unreel tbh

[white osprey]

so I'll look into this more, but I really don't think we'll be pursuing anything against this person

it's their freedom to rant on the internet. I'll be concerned if he starts harassing any sellers though.

Epic is a tough group and we receive criticism and harassment all the time.

[delicate dove]

he is harrassing loads of unity/adobe and probably ue4 sellers in his videos though

[white osprey]

Oh? Ok, I can take a look at that

[daring bridge]

With luck the gaming press pick it up and we all get free advertising.

[white osprey]

If it was just a guy yelling into the void, I have no power there

[delicate dove]

ive watched about 20 min of it, def unity and some adobe people. and he claims he is doing another video

[white osprey]

I saw Unity is dumping him too

[delicate dove]

yea obs, he is using stolen animation content

[white osprey]

yeah, he's probably going to have a hard time selling in other places too

[daring bridge]

What are his actual products? Anything of substance?

[white osprey]

If I had gumroad friends, I'd try to warn them

Animation packs I think

[delicate dove]

yea

[daring bridge]

Ah gotcha

[delicate dove]

mostly stolen from mixamo

but also a few others from what ive read so far

[white osprey]

If anyone knows people who work at the other online markets, it may be a good idea to warn them

[delicate dove]

would need his gumroad/ichio account to warn em

if he has em

[white osprey]

We're all friendly competitors and none of us want a scammer to make the rounds

[daring bridge]

What sellers is he going after? Other animators?

[white osprey]

That's what I want to know too

He's not pleased with the mods after they scolded him

[delicate dove]

he did mention chance according to @ebon leaf

[wooden falcon]

lol, the comment on the video "I put it to you sir, that you are a fraud and a liar."

[daring bridge]

Chance reaches out to everyone eventually I think

So that's probably why

[delicate dove]

hehe now he is tryying to find holes in previous comments

and im all out of popcorn

oh he has two accounts

https://www.facebook.com/TruebonesAnimationStudios/

[wooden falcon]

why do all these nuts sound alike?

[delicate dove]

https://i.gyazo.com/a5505a0d6cb78f4d9c6d732ff87701d0.png

[daring bridge]

Hahaha

Did those accounts like each other's comments?

[wooden falcon]

and he needs to look up the definition of Ironic

he's been listening to too much Alanis

lol, this guy is great

banning an ip is against his Constitutional rights?

[hollow falcon]

@wooden falcon : hah that was my comment from my non-professional Youtube account :p

[delicate dove]

ok last one, i need to get some food in me, and im still not feeling well. https://i.gyazo.com/309ebf0d6551a8b5d31b6845ca859c6d.png

[wooden falcon]

lol

[daring bridge]

Might as well bust out the memes. There will never be a better time.

[delicate dove]

you know whats scary

he also has a payday loan consolidation website

[daring bridge]

As in for consists multiple payday loans?

Consolidating*

[wooden falcon]

Maybe he should run for president

[daring bridge]

That's some predatory shit

[wooden falcon]

Trump/Truebones 2020

[daring bridge]

Haha

[elfin plinth]

@daring bridge he used to sell animations that were ripped from commercial games

[delicate dove]

not going to share the whois

but: http://data.danetsoft.com/paydayloan-consolidation.com/

[elfin plinth]

at least part of the assets were

[delicate dove]

and he has more websites

[elfin plinth]

I think he just sourced the animations all around the web

[daring bridge]

Sounds like a one man disaster

[delicate dove]

heh, the creator of ecco follows him on twitter

(its his goal to follow all game devs on twitter)

[wooden falcon]

ok, I can't listen to any more of his youtube crap...stare too long into the heart of darkness and all that 😃

interesting...had a guy email saying he used my pack in his game and was trying to get it greenlit...never had that happen before

[daring bridge]

Congrats

[hollow falcon]

how funny would it be if he didn't get greenlit because he used your pack :p

[daring bridge]

😦

[wooden falcon]

curses!

[elfin plinth]

also, not appropriate

[wooden falcon]

?

[elfin plinth]

well it depends what he means by that

[wooden falcon]

oh, the vote fishing?

yah, he was

[elfin plinth]

but I'll not go speculating on what people mean

[wooden falcon]

but it actually got green lit before I even looked his game up

[elfin plinth]

must have been because of the assets then! 😄

[wooden falcon]

well, he didn't specify what pack, so it could be that he mistook me for someone else :/

like, "I just loved your Truebones stuff"

[dense dune]

what game?

[hollow falcon]

awww Truebones doesn't want to speak to me anymore. #decimated

[modern perch]

lol, is that Truebones person using his personal account to talk to himself?

[wooden falcon]

@dense dune http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=775873255

[hollow falcon]

@modern perch I think he was to appear to have backup. Im not sure why

[ebon leaf]

@delicate dove yeah at the end of his latest video (latest as of last night) he strongly calls into question Chance's character. However I'm not sure that the way he did it can be considered libel. More just childish.

[gaunt flicker]

^wait what

Oh i missed the drama

Someone nutshell it please :D

[wooden falcon]

thieving wackadoodle goes on massive tirade

news at 11

[nova scaffold]

if he is trolling his mission is success

[hollow falcon]

I dont think he is. I had a short chat with him earlier and he stopped the conversation really quick. A troll would have relished the opportunity

[ebon leaf]

@gaunt flicker shorthand: truebones starts off by letting everyone know that he's kinda a big deal in long rant video where he proposes epic, unity tech, Adobe, among others conspired against him. Using forum members including it looks like zeOrb to claim he is harassing them when in reality they were pointing out he is selling stolen products. Bones got into a long back and forth with Chance and Jon Jones in which he is evasive while claiming that they should already know how powerful he is from his industry name. They eventually for whatever reason decide they should join Unity and Adobe in banning him. He loses tons of YouTube viewer ship from being cut off from exposure. Makes said rant video, spams it in the Facebook groups that he is not banned from

[gaunt flicker]

Ah, sweet

I love conspiracies

[wooden falcon]

holy crap, that guy is arrogant

[modern perch]

...he then gets banned fron some of those groups, of course

[vapid tundra]

well his name is truebones. you dont mess with such ganxtas 😄

[modern perch]

the guy is a known scammer and he's been about for years

he's too stupid to even try using a different name or anything

I actually suspect there may be some mental health issues at play

[wooden falcon]

that would go against his ego...he can't believe they didn't know who he was

[hollow falcon]

I dont get why he brings attention to himself like a victim. Only a sociopath would believe a lie so vehemently.

[modern perch]

psychotic behaviour; he may very well believe he is right and what he is saying is true

to everyone else, it seems irrational, but for him it's reality, so-to-speak

if he were an outright scammer, he'd have changed tact years ago, but he persists

[wooden falcon]

the way he edits his videos makes him sound even crazier

[silver moat]

You'd wish you had as much free time as he does.

[wooden falcon]

best part "I just want to show you how insane it was..."

mission accomplished

[silver moat]

Btw if anyone from marketplace team is around, is it possible for someone to request a number of packages to go on sale together at once? for instance 7 packs. Or is there a limit?

[sleek egret]

There isn't a limit but do give us at least a week in that case so we have time to set it up

[silver moat]

Sure.
Thank you.

[sleek egret]

No worries

[barren saffron]

does anyone know if we can use the assets from the landscape mountains example in our own projects?

[silver moat]

Are you going to be selling your project on the marketplace?

[barren saffron]

no

but possibly packaging and selling a game

[silver moat]

You can use Epic's content for that purpose.

[barren saffron]

awesome, thanks

I know it's that way for most of their stuff, but I didn't see an explicit license on the description

[delicate dove]

oh god, the unreal 4 facebook group is now the only ue4 group that --even with knowing whats up-- allows him to stay.

that makes you an enabler in my book, but hey.

[hollow falcon]

He probably just hasn't got around to leaving it yet. He's not been spamming though so meh. That post will go by most people anyway

[heady moth]

@unique whale grats on your blog post :)

[rare lynx]

^ Congrats! Hope to see more devs on the shwocase. 😃

@silver moat Good to see you here man!

@heady moth Still haven't received my sales report yet. I guess it'll be the 15th again this month.

[heady moth]

Yeah it will be the latest moment again

[silver moat]

Hi Jon!
Thanks you.
It's nice to see you here too.

I am cleaning the project at the moment to prepare it for upload.

Still not finished, but should serve your purpose well.

[rare lynx]

No rush! Progress has been looking great. 😃

[silver moat]

Thanks.
I have switched to the new landscape for the past two days. Not much progress on the lava landscape since then so I thought it's better to send that your way while I'm busy on the other.

The lava landscape is almost done anyway.

I'm just not quite happy with some of the rocks I did. I'm too lazy to model anything.

[rare lynx]

Sounds good. Can't way to play around with the new changes.

Which rocks, for the lava landscape?

[silver moat]

Yes. I haven't posted pictures from each piece. But you can see them all together around the lava pits. (If you have seen the pictures).

Let me find a link.

[rare lynx]

I thought they looked pretty good

[silver moat]

http://imgh.us/Untitled-2_74.jpg

Thanks.

[rare lynx]

That shot looks awesome!

[silver moat]

2 of the rocks are from kite demo. They were specifically lava rocks I took and retextured the way I wanted. I have seen other people using kite demo grass and rocks on their landscapes to demonstrate the landscape better so I did the same. I hope that's not an issue.

One thing I'm not happy about is the lack of any audio.

[rare lynx]

The marketplace staff has said in the past that so long as UE4 example assets aren't the focus, it's ok.

Yeah that would definitely help to complete the scene

What about that heat faze (?) effect? Don't know the proper word for it, but when you have a fire you see sort of a translucent distortion

That would be cool above the lava

[silver moat]

It's there.

But the distortion isn't visible in screenshots.

The heat distortion makes it look very interesting when you're looking at it in real time.

[wooden falcon]

that looks awesome

[rare lynx]

that makes sense

[viral zinc]

@silver moat awesome work

[silver moat]

Thanks thanks.

[gaunt flicker]

REMOVED EXCLUSION FOR COIN OP GAMES

THANKS EPIC

D:

[rare lynx]

I noticed we had a new EULA to agree to when opening the launcher. Any significant changes?

[elfin plinth]

oh

they've added this to exclusions: 2. The first $5,000,000.00 in gross revenue for each Product from the Oculus Store;

and they've changed this exclusion from 8. Revenue from interactive amusent park ries or cint-operated arcade games which use the Licensed Tecnology. into 9. Revenue from interactive amusement park rides which use the Licensed Technology.

just like Allar mentioned

gotta wonder why they removed coin-op

that'll be terribly hard to track

you could just shift the cost into hw and give sw free

which was probably the reason why it was on the exclusions to begin with

[elfin plinth]

https://www.unrealengine.com/eula-change-log

Introduces per-seat paid plug-in licensing to the Marketplace, as well as the concept of pass-through Marketplace licensing (where content is displayed on and linked from the Marketplace, but purchasing and licensing occurs directly with the seller).

so, they are going more into Unity direction now it seems

wonder if we'll actually get marketplace item previews like Unity Asset Store has

they've mirrored all the non customer friendly changes now, how about getting the customer friendly things from there next? 😄

I'd still accept per seat if it's genuinely used for engine tools only and it'll not go into what unity store sellers did and put that to even shaders etc

latter is just shady, because then you technically need to buy those licenses to everyone on team that don't even work with those feats but needs to open the editor with all assets in place

[lone mountain]

wow

They changed the arcade exclusion?

That affected at least one studio I know

[elfin plinth]

yeah

I have no idea why they did that

if they want 5% share of income people put into those coin-op machines, then it makes sense for epic

if it's just for the price you sell the arcade cabinets for, then it makes zero sense

as you could just sell the hw and give sw free

just lock the hardware so it can only run that software 😄

[daring bridge]

I just had a brilliant idea

1. Get real cosy with everyone, make friends so your pull requests go through without question
2. Make a pull request that removes a useful feature
3. Sell useful feature as per-seat marketplace plugin
4. Immense profits

except

with time travel

not looking so dumb now eh

[ebon leaf]

Like rendering. Get that removed 😛

[daring bridge]

perfect!

[viral zinc]

they should add to the EULA clarifications as the last time questions about Marketplace content out of the marketplace

etc

good to see that of per seat licences

@daring bridge there are already PR not accepted that can get money selling in the marketplace

don't need to remove nothing

[daring bridge]

dunno what you just said mate

what's your native language?

[viral zinc]

Spanish

[daring bridge]

aah

[viral zinc]

not sure what you don't get of that sentence at all

[daring bridge]

what is PR?

[viral zinc]

Pull Request

[daring bridge]

gotcha. now it makes sense

[viral zinc]

XD

[daring bridge]

😉

see, my plan works

those are the features I went back in time and removed

[viral zinc]

I would like to sell something but need to be ready to use and easy to use things

and complete content*

[hollow falcon]

You dont wanna know how many hours ive put into my submission. The feature creep is real.

[daring bridge]

you don't want to know how long I've procrastinated on ready-to-go patches and finished submissions

actually it's about three weeks now

[hollow falcon]

yeah im doing that now :>

[daring bridge]

I find I poke enough things forward so that they all finish at once, even if some of them are sitting at the finish line

gives the illusion of planned release dates maybe

I hope

[hollow falcon]

im finishing up my submission in the next week. Got to get it done by next Tuesday so I can leave it for review whilst im at VR and AR world expo

[daring bridge]

good call

[wooden falcon]

so how is everyone this morning/afternoon/night?

[rustic siren]

lmao, I knew that nazi flame will start as soon as that asset goes live

instantly first comment 😄

[dense dune]

what asset?

[rustic siren]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/giant-death-robot-pack

Went with Nazi symbol at first too

but removed it later

Some1 got offended by german aristocrat salute this time

oh well can't please everyone

[dense dune]

I mean if someone would try to sell something like this in germany he would quite probably have gotten into some problems

[rustic siren]

so wolfenstein was banned in germany?

[dense dune]

i think so

[rustic siren]

I heard they only had to censor the symbolics

because I saw germa version of the game

[dense dune]

one wolfenstein was cencored i am pretty sure

[rustic siren]

well I don't display any symbolics here eitheer

unless you count their salute as symbolic

[dense dune]

SO wikipedia says in the german version of wolfenstein made in the year 2009 you are not battling nazis but a sect of "grey wolves"

ah, its your set? 😄

its a symbol by the definition of german law

[rustic siren]

i see

i'm glad i'm not selling this in germany then

[dense dune]

you are

I mean I could buy it right now

But i doubt people will care here

and if you go to our highest courts I think there is a high probability you will win the cause

films may use these symboly

[rustic siren]

how about historically accurate assets

[dense dune]

It is just that no gaming company has gone over court to rule if video games are art

as the usage is free in an artistic context

[rustic siren]

fair enough

[daring bridge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute

Germany has laws against certain behaviours and symbolism, so you have to respect that there. makes it easier to whitewash over it entirely and just do one version for everyone.

especially if the usage is just token

bit harder if your game is ABOUT nazis

but now you know, the US pledge of allegiance originally included what would become the nazi salute

[heady moth]

No one got payout yet?

[daring bridge]

I thought it wouldn't happen until the 15th

it used to happen earlier but now it seems to happen 45 days after the end of the month

[heady moth]

It was often 45 days

but it started getting better

now they're back to 45 I guess

[daring bridge]

I remember the early days when we'd get paid around the start of the month

it started getting pushed out by a day, then another day

then I saw the 45 day clause and wasn't so bothered

[rare lynx]

I got my sales report, so the payment should follow tomorrow or the next day.

[daring bridge]

didn't get mine yet

this is what I get for being old and grumpy

[rare lynx]

@daring bridge Yeah I miss when it used to be on the 5th. Still no reason it should be 45 days anyways. Gumroad pays out within a week.

Not even the report?

[daring bridge]

it gives them room to do refunds

and then time to process it

and a month of that sweet, sweet interest which probably covers transaction fees

[rare lynx]

The current refund policy is 1-2 weeks, 45 days is well beyond that + processing time

[heady moth]

yeah exacly

I heard it's refund as well but if it's indeed only 2 weeks then 45 days is indeed long

[daring bridge]

it actually used to be two months

or maybe I'm misremembering

[rare lynx]

the payout?

It was always 45 days

[daring bridge]

perhaps two months from the start of the month being paid out

in that case it's interest farming

[rare lynx]

Payout time frame has been the same since the beginning of the marketplace

[daring bridge]

lots of institutions do that

[rare lynx]

I prefer Gumroads approach. Some of us use these funds to pay bills. Epic gets their money immediately while we're forced to wait

The lack of consistency on payout dates makes it even worse

[daring bridge]

I know your pain

it's probably still just a buffer against a number of things

IP theft, for example

[rare lynx]

My thing is, if a company like Gumroad can do it - then Epic should be able to find a solution as well. 😃

[daring bridge]

I suspect we'll never really know why

[heady moth]

It's the marketplace, we'll never know anything of anything

[daring bridge]

so much truth

[gaunt flicker]

Did the thing not happen?

[zealous kelp]

even hitler is on the MP these days http://prntscr.com/ct8h3z

[gaunt flicker]

Nah man, no swastika

can't prove

(Swastika was removed after mp said no)

[zealous kelp]

people are complaining already lol....better buy it before it gets removed....so i can do future gamejam entry with hitler in a giant mech

he says in the description that its hitler as well

[gaunt flicker]

imo nothing wrong with Hitler

Only time I can say that and mean it

I mean, marketplace could definitely have room for historical figures

War games, yo

[daring bridge]

how do we pin that hitler comment

[gaunt flicker]

oh boy

[vapid tundra]

they never heard of Johnny Hitler i guess

https://67.media.tumblr.com/9ef0ca4127b7cd037a79c8b6f1d04231/tumblr_nm4zttILKP1tl1n4jo1_500.jpg

[hollow falcon]

Hitler was a noob. Himmler and Goebels is where it's at ¬_¬

[vapid tundra]

Truebones News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEC_nt5WCgw

[west tide]

So much wasted energy to create all these videos...

[rustic siren]

😄

Its not like Hitler was the only man in the world with that surname

That's just his lookalike who just happened to be in a military career and share the surname :}

[dense dune]

this is nearly puppey level drama

[sleek egret]

Guys just a quick request regarding Truebones, please don't engage him.

He's largely feeding on the attention he's getting from this, both good and bad.

[fossil nest]

Is he actually talking about himself in third person?

[wooden falcon]

I guess these same people complaining about the hitler mesh hated Wolfenstein?

oh well, there goes my Necro's Serial Killers pack idea

btw, does that Truebones guy realize the company is Epic, not Unreal?

[sleek egret]

Not sure.

[wooden falcon]

and did he just use someone else's video in his own unattributed? Isn't that pretty much why he has a bad rep in the first place? Using other people's work as his own?

[sleek egret]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

(sorry don't mean to make light of it, he's just kind of exhausting and we have other things to focus that aren't...whatever this is)

[wooden falcon]

oh, it was a rhetorical question. I don't think it can even be answered anyways

sort of like our current election in the US

[fossil nest]

These are strange times indeed

[wooden falcon]

lol, in the video, he calls Bruno a forum moderator and a rep of Unreal...his tags show Engine Contrib, Marketplace Creator, and Spotlight Member...not mod

[hollow falcon]

I would like to see a serial killer model pack 😃

[wooden falcon]

lol, the thread on the forums about it, probably started by a Truebones alt

"I think UNREAL should be somewhat ashamed for allowing this to happen."

that's GOT to be him

[vapid tundra]

ofc its him

[wooden falcon]

he even refers to Epic as Unreal, just like the Truebones dude

lol Marc_Rogerson

[hollow falcon]

my wife would love it. Might inspire her to learn the engine and I can "delegate" my tasks to her :p

shes smarter than I so I think she should make a good dev. Has a photographic memory, it's scary.

I can never lie to her

[vapid tundra]

arent some the known Serial killers copyright protected? as in those from movies and such

[wooden falcon]

I'd imagine if they're fictional, they would be

[hollow falcon]

I doubt it. A serial killer isn't allowed to profit from their crimes

[vapid tundra]

real ones could be different.

[wooden falcon]

is it just me, or does Tim Sweeney look a lot like jeffrey dahmer? I am so sorry Mr. Sweeney if you see this...

[hollow falcon]

he does a little bit. Do you think he has a folder that he keeps mesh parts in?

[wooden falcon]

ban me, and I'll work with Truebones to make a documentary about it :/ j/k

lol Marc

Epic Dev: and here's the new rendering engine using quantum entanglement voxel hyper shading.

Tim Sweeney: nice...but how does the blood look?

[vapid tundra]

Is anyone here using the Path Follow code plugin from marketplace?

[white osprey]

Sweeney Todd is clearly inspired by Tim Sweeney

I kid, but if you do ever meet Tim for real, you'll see how super sweet and humble he is

[wooden falcon]

oh, he seems like a really nice guy in videos

and I admire him as a brilliant programmer (right up there with Carmack).

[idle token]

What is the legal situation for "stolen" assets on the marketplace? Lets say I buy one of those "100 icons" packs and use them in my games and it turns out whoever uploaded them violated some copyright. How big is that risk, and what would it mean for my game?

[sleek egret]

Alex, ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ)

[white osprey]

lol

@idle token It's a very very tiny risk with any purchased content, but in that case I think there would be good reason to want to strip it out of future releases

[dense dune]

@white osprey Tim Sweeny is quite an introvert, isn't he? :D
His body language when he makes speeches

[white osprey]

though I have never seen that happen before so I am not sure what the legal requirements would be

@dense dune I would call him introverted to a limit, at a certain point he goes all out and just lets loose

[hollow falcon]

@dense dune I notice that everytime he speaks. Kind of like he fights the nervousness to talk.

[white osprey]

and then he's jumping all over stuff and dancing around

saw him chasing bubbles around the last halloween party with the kids

Super sincere guy

[dense dune]

I think we need to create r/unrealenginemasterrace to coordinate our battle against unity peasants
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gaben/

like this, but with tim sweeny

[white osprey]

@hollow falcon That's actually how he speaks when he's comfortable

He just has his own cadence to talking

comes off as nervous

[hollow falcon]

Im a pretty anti-corporate guy. Part of being politically minded. Yet I love Epic Games for how they treat their userbase. Even before UE4 went free. It literally gives me hope that not all corporations are utter evil.

[idle token]

Agreed. Epic seems to have somehow avoided becoming EA. (Kidding. Mostly.)

[gaunt flicker]

Ohhhh Tim

[wooden falcon]

Carmack has an odd speech pattern too

reminds me of the scientist buy from The Simpsons

[hollow falcon]

Carmack sounds like he has 3 other sentences he wants to say at the same time as he is speaking to you. It's intense keeping up with him and googling the things you don't have a clue about :p

I guess he multithreads

[wooden falcon]

lol

[white osprey]

Haha, Tim does this thing where you can tell he's pondering while you're talking and then just drops a completely new perspective on you that you never thought about

[wooden falcon]

I'm sort of sad that the days of the well known genius game programmer seem to be done

[idle token]

Are they? I don't know about that.

[dense dune]

I think so
Bigger problems solved in groups of multiple people

[wooden falcon]

well, that and businesses now a days prefer their employees nameless and uncredited

[dense dune]

Stuff that is credited to one person is mostly design stuff

[hollow falcon]

@wooden falcon they were pioneers. The only place to pioneer now is either realtime GI solutions or VR tech. Unless someone makes the 4D shooter :p

[idle token]

Or until some pioneer finds some new perspective nobody thought about before.

[vapid tundra]

yeah nobody even trys to do an proper A.I

[hollow falcon]

yeah gaming via controlled hallucinations. Like Existenz

[wooden falcon]

smellofps

[dense dune]

@vapid tundra the problem is, even if a game would do that, it would fall back on the game designer and not on the programmers

[wooden falcon]

you'll really FEEL like you're in that sewer

[idle token]

Yeah, AI is another big one. Some voxel stuff. AR, in addition to VR. New input systems (speech, movement, facial expressions/emotions, whatever), although that too goes hand-in-hand with VR.

[hollow falcon]

DoN and his Voxel AI path plugin is an excellent step forward. Someone should give that guy a few million and let him control a team to develop it

[idle token]

btw the marketplace looks better with every passing day

[oak fiber]

man, did I walk intot he room of depression? Blaze your own trail, do your own thing, make your name shine, or not, if you want. That is up to YOU, not for some nameless, far future flung fantasy corporation/company that you may work. /backtohappythoughts

[ebon leaf]

Allar's exporter plugin hit the store :O

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/simple-panoramic-exporter

[solemn prism]

Oh nice

Going to pick that up

[ebon leaf]

bunch of free code plugins in this and the last MP update too

[solemn prism]

yep

[daring bridge]

If I was Tim my handle would be SwimTeeny

[wooden falcon]

hah

[elfin plinth]

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/look-alive

not sure if that example image is really selling the realism though

https://cdn1.epicgames.com/ue/item/Store_LookAlive_screenshot_01-min-1920x1080-f9ac6ce250b9eaffcfd8a791f10afa46.png

[viral zinc]

haha

@elfin plinth looks like sell the eyes follow etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBO_taV3uRw

[wooden falcon]

picture of the plugin author: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/igor_young_frankenstein.jpg

[daring bridge]

haha

[gaunt flicker]

Apparently I have to buy my own asset @sleek egret ?

s'all good

+1 sale

[sleek egret]

Nope, you're on the long list of entitlements I'm send out today 😛

@gaunt flicker If you did buy it, let me know. I'll refund you.

[gaunt flicker]

Didn't buy it yet

Thanks :D

Didn't know there was a step between release and owner entitlement, heh

#wherestheautomation

[sleek egret]

I am the automation.

[gaunt flicker]

Beep boop.

[sleek egret]

XP Nah, but in all seriousness it'll happen soon but for now yeah there's just that one step between "You're live!" and "Here's your stuff".

[daring bridge]

Procedural Stephanie Marketplace Generation

[wooden falcon]

Stephanie MarkOne

[cinder cobalt]

Anyone have feedback on any of the inventory systems on the marketplace?

[rare lynx]

Do they not have reviews on the product page? Try checking the official forum threads too, there's bound to be information somewhere. 😃

[heady moth]

@cinder cobalt ARPG from vanguard is quite good

[flat schooner]

hey

So I am submitting this asset

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPtBgTNkuAo

And I don't know how much charge for it?

Any sugestinos

[hollow falcon]

the eternal question. how long do you think it would take someone to recreate it?

[flat schooner]

a year 😃

he have to wait to summer to make recordings 😃

[hollow falcon]

lol. I think if it takes a month for someone to replicate then $75 isn't an unfair price. I guess it's a buyer's market though so really I would test prices. Start a bit high, if sales are poor, put it on sale. If it picks up, maybe drop the price permanently.

[flat schooner]

I made it for a week but I wasn't work all days on it

[sonic steeple]

nice transition of sounds! also the sounds are nice. the implementation looks a bit heavy when you create all the sounds in the volume. is this the way to go for such a system?

[ebon leaf]

@flat schooner do cricket noises stpo when you get near their source? XD

*stop

looks nice though. I have absolutely no idea on a price suggestion though

[flat schooner]

@sonic steeple Thanks, Well creating them in construction script is gonna be heavy, but in the game is nothing coz Engine plays and do something only with sounds that you hear

@ebon leaf No they don't if I did it would sounds weird, you hear about 12 crickets at the same time an their stereo spread is pretty big.

[ebon leaf]

ah haha fair enough. I wasn't really serious anyways 😃 It looks really good

[flat schooner]

Iis 20$

*its

[sonic steeple]

yes i'd also say 20-30

perhaps more like 30

[wooden falcon]

morning everyone!

[lethal cape]

morning! 😃

[flat schooner]

Ok so I wasn't looking at marketplace for a long time

And I found this 😃

https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/gun-sound-pack

look at screenshots

[elfin plinth]

I dunno

from buyers perspective, that gives still idea what you are getting, instead of saying "266 sounds" which could mean about anything really

I personally would prefer if UE4 would do similar previews on marketplace as Unity Asset Store has

(they show previews like that for audio if I remember right)

and you can get thumbnails for each inidividual mesh etc

as a buyer, I really want to see that stuff

because descriptions could be so off

[flat schooner]

But screens from Unity on Unreal Engine marketplace?

[elfin plinth]

oh right, those are from unity =d

missed that

[flat schooner]

DUUUH

[elfin plinth]

I thought you were talking about images in general, didn't spot it was from unity :p

also 1.28€ more expensive on unreal store ;D

https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/59420

[ebon leaf]

@sly prairie hi, I would like to ask you about your plugin. Is it safer than your free asset? And also my game is almost completed I need to get done just a couple of things and the changing value in database is one of them. Could you please help me with that?

[sly prairie]

@ebon leaf atm the login blugin is safer but you can't change values with it. But atm I'm just in the bed and sleep cuz I'm sick.

[whole plinth]

hi

[supple moon]

http://i.imgur.com/CFbZEPR.jpg

uv seam right through the center of the face

noiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

looks like a zbrush auto unwrap

[vapid tundra]

is this unwrap from MP content?

[supple moon]

yup

[vapid tundra]

hmm

[supple moon]

though its still good value MP content, its cheap and doesn't have "AAA" plastered all over the place while obviously not being 😛

[vapid tundra]

i would have unwrapped it differently. But if its cheap and still works for you.

[supple moon]

yeah I like the head to be one shell, I will probably correct this

[vapid tundra]

jon jones would prolly rejected it 😉

i would rejected it too tbh

[supple moon]

I really only bought it to copy skin weights b/c I'm lazy so IDC too much about the model itself 😛

[vapid tundra]

😄

[supple moon]

here I got another good one for you

[wooden falcon]

that pics looks like ManBearPig

[supple moon]

http://i.imgur.com/PWlNeKr.jpg

[wooden falcon]

what, the fov?

makes it look stretched

[supple moon]

imagine you are holding the foregrip of a rifle and try to make your thumb do that

[wooden falcon]

oooh

I just noticed the thumb

wow

[vapid tundra]

the creator clearly knows how shooting weapons work

[supple moon]

and anatomy 😛

[wooden falcon]

backwards thumbs...must be a mutant

[vapid tundra]

ill pay for see him shooting an gun like this

[supple moon]

but it's the same story again, good value for the cash

whats actually bad is stuff that's really expensive, and also sucks

[wooden falcon]

you might point it out, if that's who I think it is, he's on here

he might not have even noticed

[supple moon]

I just added a bone modify that is applied for this animation when it is in idle state, I gave the function a funny name 😛

I've pointed out a bunch of things to them, but yeah

¯_(ツ)_/¯

still good value for money so I'm not going to hold my breath or make a fuss

I have only got a refund once, and it was for an art asset pack, that was over 100 bucks, and 3/4 of the assets were re-jigged epic free content

[wooden falcon]

ouch

is it still on the MP?

[supple moon]

Yep, it got "fixed" but the quality of the materials and meshes is not very good at all

[vapid tundra]

yeah. i noticed that theres a lot of "cheaply" made stuff now on the MP

like take filterforge and change some parameters..render out..sell it

[supple moon]

it's no where near as bad as unity, where there is just tonnes of content stolen directly from game rips

[vapid tundra]

cant speak for unity. but yeah its prolly worse over there

[supple moon]

but yeah, I am a bit more wary now, I especially notice a lot more promotional effort, like action movie esque demo videos that when you actually look at it, only give you about .5 seconds to view each asset

[vapid tundra]

yup

[supple moon]

The only thing I could probably suggest to art creators on MP is to actually use unreals material system properly, not just use a gig of substance painter texture sheets. Some do it properly, most just use SP

[vapid tundra]

but tbh there is stuff on the mp ... 5 mats for over 20 euros

and not really good ones

[supple moon]

=/ yeah thats a rip, there is also a lot of stuff hanging over from the early days OF MP, that was really overpriced and more or less poorly ported from Unity asset store

[vapid tundra]

yeah

[gaunt flicker]

LOLOLOLOLOL THAT HEAD UNWRAP

[supple moon]

he got thrown into a .... blender

https://giphy.com/gifs/upvote-pirates-rimshot-8zsk3YfQPsa5i

[sonic steeple]

hey guys. did you ever need physical items with sound? i created this item. what do you think about it? https://saschahenrichs.blogspot.de/p/marketplace-content.html

[daring bridge]

Including sound is a fantastic idea

[last mango]

Which email address was it to request to put your asset on sale?

Was it [e-mail]

?

[daring bridge]

marketplace support, yeah

they need at least a week's notice

[elfin plinth]

I've heard some people dare to sell even textured bullets with otherwise low poly assets on asset store

like, the nerve of those people

oh rats, @gaunt flicker is not online :p

@Aphexx100#1206 since the asset is about physics items and sound, do you solve the most obvious issue on game assets that have physics and sound?

@sonic steeple

^

and that's object tipping over while already colliding with ground

in real life, those canisters/barrels would still give a different sound when they tip over

or boxes etc

[sonic steeple]

yes in real life all kind of crazy shit happens with objects and their sounds. with a friend i implemented a system that was able to detect rolling, bouncing, sliding etc. but this system needs still a better design to be more reliable. so i reverted to a more simple approach. it is not ideal though.

[finite flint]

A question for all you wonderful marketplacers:
How often do sales numbers update? And is there a delay?
Specifically, the ones on this page: https://publish.unrealengine.com/sales-report

Also, is there a way to get analytics information about your marketplace page?
For example, how many views a page is getting and where they're coming from.
Or is there a way to integrate google analytics?

[daring bridge]

I think they update daily

if not straight away

no analytics yet

keep in mind they'd need to track launcher views too, which isn't a webpage, it's slate

[finite flint]

Mmm, yeah.

[heady moth]

They update live

If someone makes a sale, it's on there. Maybe 5 minutes delay max

@finite flint

[finite flint]

@heady moth Thanks! This is both good and bad news. Good: quick updates are great. Bad: no sales yet. :/

[heady moth]

Did they actually change the featured model to only community, since usually featured was also new assets and that helped a few? But yes sales aren't great, I've heard from various people. My first pack did also take time before it had a sale. There'll be sales! :)

[finite flint]

Thanks! 😃

[supple moon]

@sleek egret any ETA on when account invoices will be available for PDF download via the Account Management?

https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/15015/subscription-invoice.html

I use a service called Receipt Bank to catch and automate all my receipts and invoices and it sure would make it easier doing my tax each year if I could also do the same with UE4 Marketplace Asset purchases

My workaround is to convert the email receipts I receive into PDFs but that can sometimes be a painfully long process depending on how many purchases I and my colleagues have made during the course of a year

Not sure if you guys have considered adding an additional tab under Account Management for Teams?

Would be very handy if certain purchases items such as Plugins could be shared amongst colleagues apart of a team / company if the asset author allows it of course

++++++++
Though I assume that would require some level of DRM to be implemented which is why I assumed you haven't opted for such a feature for assets across the board.

Hell I'd be happy with per-seat licensing of certain asset packs which is tied to a company rather than an individual.

That way you still support the product authors with sales.

Even though it is stated in the license agreement that if 1 person buys a asset pack, that pack can be shared with everyone working on a specific project.

Still it does require the person who bought the pack to be responsible for updating the content within the project when new asset pack updates are rolled out.

Which could become problematic if say that specific person leaves the team due to each unrealengine.com account being considered a personal account over a corporate.

In my specific case I try to purchase 90%+ of all asset packs under the same account (mine) when a team member requests a specific pack rather than letting them purchase it and potentially reimbursing them for the purchase or having them include that purchase as part of their contractor invoice.
++++++++

[quartz acorn]

@heady moth Hm, I see 7 recently released products and only one community pick

[neon surge]

Has anyone tried the dialog system plugins on the marketplace? Any recommendations? Was looking at https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?88313-Dialogue-System but it doesn't seem to be working with 4.13 😃

[ebon leaf]

Hello, is there anyone, who implemented JC inventory on a new character?

I created the exact same character but the inventory works only offline...

[daring bridge]

best to ask in the blueprint channel

this channel is full of angry job creators

[solemn prism]

^

[sonic steeple]

hey, just a last clip of my ambient physical objects package. http://youtu.be/PbShM7ko4Hg

[daring bridge]

that's one way to clear out the shed

[fossil nest]

I summed up my findings about submitting gameplay components in a blog post, please let me know if I got any details wrong: http://www.zenitygames.com/blog/2016/10/4/how-to-submit-blueprintcode-assets-to-the-unreal-marketplace

@gaunt flicker Was it you who asked me to let you know when I got an answer re: content only code plugins? I did get an answer eventually and unfortunately it was negative: "Currently we don't have the ability to process purely blueprint plugins; there must be some code element to be put through our back-end build process."

[wooden falcon]

jesus, my sales this month have stunk...I think I need more Hitler robots in my packs

[wooden falcon]

hmm, how long are those Game-Ready packs going to be on sale? Seems like they've been on for a month already

[proven lily]

@wooden falcon Are you talking about the Game Essentials promotion? The sales are controlled by the seller's themselves but the promotion is for the month of October

[quartz acorn]

Game essentials promotion, Game-ready sale? What I've missed? 😄

[wooden falcon]

nah, there's a seller called Game-Ready who has had 3 packs on EXTREME sale for what seems like a month

not ragging on the guy or anything

I even bought two of the 3 packs

one of which is marked as only compatible up to 4.10 :/

[glad ice]

Sigh

Poor cid.

[daring bridge]

I know Cid

I'm meant to be helping him with a shader but it takes so long to get any files to him

[glad ice]

Well cid should probably try to get his money back from the training course

[daring bridge]

yeah that sounds a bit basic

[glad ice]

And i dont know how i feel about schools giving out our packs to students

[daring bridge]

do a per-seat license 😄

[glad ice]

Also i made that blueprint in like 30 minutes with like 1 week of unreal knowledge

[daring bridge]

haha

[glad ice]

So they should be showing how to make that from scratch

[daring bridge]

the last time I spoke to cid I told him to convert all of his textures to a power of two. he still hasn't done it.

not an advanced user

[glad ice]

Its basic conversion logic from metric to imperial

[daring bridge]

has the worst internet ever

ok

[glad ice]

So like i said. Poor cid 😦

He'll figure it out i'm sure. I think a lot of new people don't know that widgets have logic in them

[daring bridge]

haha

[flat schooner]

Hey everyone

@sleek egret I would like to ask why in theprocess of submitting assets to marketplace I have to upload description and pictures twice?

And at first upload screens have to be name differently than in the second time

And why I get 2 the same e-mails after first step of submition? One is from marketplace one is from Epic games o_0

[daring bridge]

it's just a rough process. I know they're working on it.

[flat schooner]

but it just so uneficent

[modern perch]

@glad ice - you should probably find out which school is giving the asset out, because I don't think the marketplace terms of use allow that

judging by that e-mail, having a pop at them will only be doing everyone else a favour...

whilst I'm here, what's the score with marketplace content that is reliant on third party plugins?

is it permissible to release a code based plugin that for example, requires the RuntimeMeshComponent plugin?

[flat schooner]

I just submit this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnMpdDT5kns

[sleek egret]

@bartosz_kamiński#4363 Sounds like you're getting duplicate e-mails from the system. Send me the name of the asset it's for and I'll look at the ticket history

[rustic siren]

I'm wondering now. As an artist I made a vehicle and rigged and animated it. however I have no clue how to set it up to work with the vehicle blueprint.

Is it okay for me to post it on the marketplace and expect for the buyers to set it up for their project needs?

Or should I not submit it until I have at least a basic demo blueprint for people to play around

[modern perch]

you should get it working - since that's by far the most stressful part of getting vehicles into UE4

[nova scaffold]

@rustic siren you could sell it from gumroad if people are running their own physics

But I don't think MP team would accept it just as model

[rustic siren]

oki so setting it up on the vehicle bp is a must then

now how about custom animations, aim spaces and extra features like doors opening and seats locking / unlocking. Do I have to make a framework for that as well?

I mention aimspace because car has a cannon / turret

[sleek egret]

@rustic siren Single models have to be rigged and animated

[rustic siren]

yeah it is

my question is about the blueprint setup

[sleek egret]

It depends. If you are selling one asset, it needs to work immediately. It basically needs to be dropped into a project and be able to function without them having to mess with it (if they want to that's their business or if there's additional set up for other features sure)

[rustic siren]

aha

so setting all the features is a must then, got it

[nova scaffold]

I hoped that one day I could buy from MP an assortment of models for different parts of the machines. Like wheels, engines, suspension blocks, seats, driving wheels, mufflers, braking pads and etc.

[sleek egret]

You can potentially, this is just what the requirement is if you want to sell one complete vehicle.

It's fine to sell parts of a thing so long as there is some variety, the quality is good and everything fits together.

So if you sent us a pack and all it contained was a cat, an orange, a tire and a baseball we'd probably say no.

[nova scaffold]

good to know, thank you @sleek egret !

[sleek egret]

No problem.

[brazen temple]

Unless, of course, it was a cat robot that fires oranges and baseballs out of it's mouth

https://theawesomeupdate.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/tsfp-3.jpg

[languid plinth]

Pew pew

[wooden falcon]

that sounds like the concept for a game dev jam: you have a cat, an orange, a tire and a baseball...go!

[sleek egret]

@brazen temple No. ಠ_ಠ

[dense dune]

I think we should do a game jam based on !gamedeidea concepts

!gameidea

[ebon leaf]

A shooting game where you throw necromancers to prevent the end of the world.

[dense dune]

see? perfect

[languid plinth]

That was a thing

The "Bot Says" jam.

[wooden falcon]

!gameidea

[sleek egret]

Looks like it really wants you to do the throwing necromancer thing 😛

[dense dune]

Hah cool, I found some things on google
But it wasn't official, was it?

[glad ice]

@modern perch the studio is called "Smallville Studio", i'll try to dig up more info. it was mentioned in a newer email that his teachers indeed were the purchasers.

[daring bridge]

@modern perch I'd like to know the answer to that plugin dependency too, I'd like to sell a nice kinect rig, but it uses the Kinect4Unreal plugin

[spice sierra]

hey guys is there some info anywhere on how to package up a bunch of animated meshes, textures and a few BPs for the marketplace . is there a best pracvtice?

[daring bridge]

yeah there is

there's docs on it online

hang on

[spice sierra]

thanks mate

[daring bridge]

https://publish.unrealengine.com/submission-guidelines

follow the basic guidelines

[spice sierra]

😉

[daring bridge]

the rest will come out in review

[spice sierra]

excellent

[daring bridge]

they are arbitrary, @brazen temple makes them up as he goes

[spice sierra]

lol

[daring bridge]

he's the guy who will review it so grease him up

[spice sierra]

ahhhhh, perfect

[sonic steeple]

hey,
i am now allowed to send my files to epic. however there is this line

4. Screenshots (minimum of 5) - "<asset name>screenshot<number>.png" - 1920x1080 - Used on the item details page. Can be clicked on to show full image in a lightbox
   These lossless .PNG files must contain pictures of the original assets and must each be less than 1MB.

i can only imagine that this goes mainly for the thumbnails and "featured" pictures since sending a 1920x1080 png under 1mb is pretty much very lossy. one had to restric the colors very much.
did you send the screenshots with higher filesize?

anybody in here who already sells items at the marketplace?
how did you send the screenshots?

[brazen temple]

My thing goes live tomorrow, I don't remember what I did about the screenshots, sorry dude

[sonic steeple]

i see ok

i will then try and just send them normal png files, which are about ~2MB at this size

[rare lynx]

I think you should be good @sonic steeple You'll know for sure after you send them in.

[brazen temple]

^

It's not like we'll see 2mb and be like NO, BANNED. NEVER SUBMITTING AGAIN.

😛

[rare lynx]

2mb is pretty normal for screenshots. I doubt the staff will make a big deal out of it. 😃

^ exactly 😛

[true turtle]

Anyone around that can change the prefix on a marketplace forum thread?

[rare lynx]

You'll need to message a moderator on the forums for that. 3 are on discord at the moment that you may be able to reach quickly

fire off a direct message to one of them and you should hear back shortly.

[true turtle]

Alrighty, didn't know if just any of them could.

[rare lynx]

Yeah, any forum moderator. 😃

[true turtle]

cool, thanks!

[rare lynx]

np!

[modern perch]

I'm online and can do it, just tell me what you need

[true turtle]

@modern perch I got Shadowriver to do it! Thanks though!