virtual-reality

[mighty carbon]

I see there are some mobile Vulkan commits to VR branch.. Interesting.

[digital marlin]

hey folk. anyone test out 4.20's Mixed Reality stuff?

[digital marlin]

also lol @granite jacinth "I like the word "buggy". Any code not buggy isn't real code."

[granite jacinth]

😃

I gotta troll the trolls

Or it's not me

[digital marlin]

Good luck on the release, btw.

[mighty carbon]

@granite jacinth will there be a demo?

[granite jacinth]

yup

@digital marlin thanks!

[glossy agate]

There already is a demo @mighty carbon

[mighty carbon]

free demo @glossy agate ?

I thought it was early access or something like that

in AMA #3 says "Game to have the full single player campaign completed (it's not)". I assume it's talking about EA, right ?

[glossy agate]

Yeah there is a demo, and beta demo you can play right now

EA is releasing tomorrow

[mighty carbon]

Oh, I just saw that it's not going to Oculus Store any time soon 😦

aye, I'll give demo a spin, but I would rather get EA (if I find the game to be my sort of game) on Oculus Home

[tired tree]

does home even do ea?

ah they do

regardless steam does all hardware

it makes sense to focus early EA on it

[granite jacinth]

Basically

And I guess people are mad cause they would have to buy the game on both platforms

Overall, I think my AMA plan worked out @wicked oak , lots of new faces jumped on Discord/Steam and on the AMAs obviously. Lots of interest

We'll see how well that translates into sales numbers this weekend

[mighty carbon]

I am failing to see how launching on Oculus Home would be a bad idea.. It's easier than launching on Steam.

[tired tree]

they plan to

just easier to focus on one platform to start

might as well make that the one that all headsets can use

[random river]

Mucking around with VR development, quick question about scaling assets etc. Do you leave the assets full size, eg a character is 1.5m tall or so, and pull the HMD camera back away from them, or would you scale the character down a heap, to say 10.5cm and bring the HMD camera in closer (if seated position)

Say for a platformer as an example, not a first person view.

I found leaving them full size and pulling the camera back, its far enough away that they appear blurry

[mighty carbon]

https://www.oculus.com/blog/oculus-for-business-now-available-in-even-more-countries-with-a-lower-priced-rift-bundle/

[tired tree]

@random river the WorldToMeters setting alters your perceived scale

[random river]

oh wow, no idea that existed, thanks!

[glossy agate]

And MP would be an issue cross platform with just steam sub system

So it would split the player base

[mighty carbon]

well, I'd only get it for SP

for me to try MP it has to be like Westworld - playing SP online and meeting MP users on my time

(which would require for game server to run persistent world, to a point)

[granite jacinth]

Launch

a little more than 10 hours

excited

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth did you add analytics or similar to the game?

even if GDPR fucks with it 😦

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak I'ma see if I can't squeeze it in

[wicked oak]

only for USA toh

for euro there is no way to avoid gdpr

you need to ask permission

and if you ask permission

everyone says no

becouse they are ignorant

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak free the information

Viva la revolution

[mighty carbon]

ouch https://www.reddit.com/r/Pimax/comments/8u3kra/pimax_knowingly_misrepresented_fov/

PM @granite jacinth

[tired tree]

@mighty carbon think you meant @sturdy coral

[mighty carbon]

nah, I meant Victor - I asked him something in PM early in the morning, but didn't hear back

[fluid chasm]

How to build lighting for ar.. Even though I build in class blueprint.. When spawning there is no lighting

[granite jacinth]

https://twitter.com/victorburgosG3/status/1012695359150284800

Retweets would be greatly appreciated!

Victor Burgos (@victorburgosG3)

OMG... #ContagionOutbreak is finally releasing today!!! Almost a year's worth of work with an awesome team! Created in @UnrealEngine it's a #SurvivalHorror #VirtualReality #Indie #game ! https://t.co/5lmZqsy5ZL

@steam_games @htcvive @oculus @OculusRift @Oculus_Dev @window...

Twitter

@mighty carbon huh?

Yeah, because I am super bust

busy

[mighty carbon]

aye

[granite jacinth]

Who PMs people with that kind of stuff on their release day?

[mighty carbon]

lol

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth ping me when you put reddit threads so i upvote

[sonic lake]

@granite jacinth Congratulations! 👍

[granite jacinth]

w00t w00t, thanks!

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth you clicked the green button already?

[mighty carbon]

congrats @granite jacinth !

[glossy agate]

Im remote installing for when I get home.

Gonna PVP it up

[granite jacinth]

yeah, if anyone wants to play some PvP, let me know

[sturdy coral]

@granite jacinth congrats, hope the launch goes well. there is definitely a lot of interest

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak ya, pushed and then waited 😭

@mighty carbon thanks

@sturdy coral Thanks! Yeah, there seems to be. There's a lot of pressure now to meet "everyone's" expectations

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth for a few days, you will be reading the forums non-stop and hotfixing stuff

becouse you have bugs

[sturdy coral]

I think @full junco barely slept for days after his launch 😃

[wicked oak]

happened to me on the ps4 launch

i had some really bad bugs on day 1

that i couldnt find

so i had to hotpatch them using the ps4 "review-less hotfix" path

[glossy agate]

Demoing our game at Dreamhack helped A LOT finding bugs and seeing in person how people were breaking it. Found a bug there I had been struggling to repro for like 2 months

[mighty carbon]

I guess it's just modern era... When I launched Steel Storm, I slept just fine.. The pressure was there of course, but we didn't stay up all night fixing bugs.

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon in this days, having a good first day is what makes you succesful

becouse that way steam algorithms put you up

[mighty carbon]

hmm

oh, nice https://uploadvr.com/oculus-social-home-eight/

[languid night]

Hey, this might seem pretty noob but, how do I go into VR when "Launching" the game? I read that there are some console commands, but they don't seem to be working for me.

[sturdy coral]

@languid night vr.benablehmd 1

then vr.benablestereo 1

and if you do it on first frame oculus used to crash, I'm not sure if it does any more

you could also just turn on bstartinvr in your project settings

[languid night]

Thanks!

[shell karma]

Santa Cruz just came in recently and I'm still waiting in line to test it out at the company, question is has anyone had any kind of experience with Santa Cruz and Unreal yet ?

[wicked oak]

@shell karma lucky bastard

[shell karma]

haven't even touched it yet ;p

[wicked oak]

first of all thats NDA-d as fuck

so you probably cant talk about it here

i would be using the Oculus engine branch

as that has the absolute latest sdk features

[shell karma]

yeah that would be the first guess

[granite jacinth]

Damn. You are lucky

The first good rest I have had in probably a month

12 hours sleep. Practically in a coma

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth welcome to the land of the living

[granite jacinth]

w00t w00t

It feels good.

[mighty carbon]

@shell karma well, if you can, please let us know if the controllers that came with SC are the new ones (like Touch) or still the old ones. Also wondering about tracking FOV (e.g. if playing archery games almost as comfortable as with Rift) and if it tracks ok in the dark (not pitch black dark, but dark room with monitor on or TV on or dim indoor lighting) 😊

@granite jacinth I read some thumb down reviews on your game last night and gee, people come with incredibly high expectations even for EA titles 😦 I remember there was some level of entitlement back on 2011, but not as bad as nowadays :/

[granite jacinth]

Not worried about it. Hopefully I'll have some time to respond to them all. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

They are more than justified.

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon thats the common thing

it might be early access, but people expect a solid game if they pay for it

[granite jacinth]

Over 1500 sales first day

[mighty carbon]

not bad

imagine you were a solo dev 😃

[wicked oak]

probably a huge refund rate. But 1500 sales day 1 is on the highest end

i dont think anyone here has got that many sales on their project

[granite jacinth]

Zombies

[shell karma]

@mighty carbon will do, gotta check with the bosses what can or cannot be said in public though :p I’ll give it a look Monday but I won’t have time to actually take it for a dev spin for at least two weeks

[mighty carbon]

aye, np

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth zombies are overdone to death

i think its mostly due to good demo and very good marketing launch

[granite jacinth]

Maybe

[wicked oak]

im taking notes 😛

[granite jacinth]

LMFAO

I'm going to do things a bit different for my own solo-launch title

Learned a lot

[wicked oak]

what are you going to solo-launch?

[obtuse spruce]

Anyone got any resources on making body hitboxes for VR without any extra trackers/devices? I've got a body hitbox setup in my project that requires the player stand still, and I'd love it if I could make the hitbox not break if the player happens to step a small amount in any direction.

[sonic lake]

@obtuse spruce The easiest way would be to adjust the relative location of your hitbox to follow the offset of the VR Camera.

Or parent it directly to the VR Camera

[obtuse spruce]

@sonic lake That was what I did for the first attempt at the hitbox: I attached a completely vertical collision capsule to the HMD, with the HMD being almost all the way up the capsule. This system was fine when the player was standing upright, but was bad when the player was leaning; if you leaned to the side, you could get hit in the space to the side of your body and below your head.

[sonic lake]

Yes. If you want it to behave more like a "body" then you need to set it up independently from the HMD, unless you compensate its rotations to keep it upright regardless of how the HMD is leaning.

Do you want it to always be under the HMD or what? @obtuse spruce

[obtuse spruce]

@sonic lake I don't always want it to be under the HMD; I want it to be an approximation of the player's torso location. A capsule attached to the HMD fails if you tilt your head, for obvious reasons. Locking the capsule's rotation to keep it always vertical solves that problem, but still has the problem where leaning your body results in your hitbox being drawn in the empty space to the side of your body and below your head.
I solved this problem already, but at the cost of forcing the player to stand in-place so I have a second reference point (the first is the HMD) to draw the hitbox between. I'm wondering how one can go about coding a body hitbox that doesn't require the player stand in-place, like what SUPERHOT VR accomplished.

[granite jacinth]

Never played. But they probably just used IK

[glossy agate]

@obtuse spruce use the physics asset of your pawn mesh for hits, not the capsule

You will have to write leaning logic though. Like for a certain distance offset without locomotion it will lean instead of move to a certain point

[obtuse spruce]

@glossy agate Our game doesn't have a pawn mesh, just a hand mesh. We use the hand mesh's physics asset for hand collisions, but this separate system for body collisions.

[glossy agate]

Well you can always just throw in the default engine sk mesh as owner no see just so you can run the collisions on that. Would be easier probably than guessing with a bunch of box collisions

[sonic lake]

@obtuse spruce So my understanding is that you are trying to solve a typical room-scale VR problem. You need the collision volume to "follow" the HMD as it moves due to the player moving IRL. If parenting the collision volume to the HMD is not working for you, the next simple solution is to have the collision volume keep up with the HMD movements. As the HMD moves, the collision volume always stays below it like it would be the body of the pawn. You need a setup like this:

Then on Event Tick you adjust the relative position of the CapsuleOrigin to always be under the HMD. You can also adjust the half height of the Capsule to take crouching into account.

The next level of sophistication would be to take into account the roll of the HMD to mimic the user tilting their head laterally but not moving their body. Honestly this would be just an approximation because you don't really know where the player's body is IRL.

[sonic lake]

@obtuse spruce ^^^ This is an example of collision capsule following the HMD. Note how the capsule shrinks when the player crouches.

[eternal inlet]

in 4.19.2 i started to get this error when i unload a streaming level, anyone know of this?

[2018.07.01-15.51.15:758][555]LogWindows: Error: Assertion failed: (GIsCriticalError || !NumMarks) [File:D:\Build++UE4+Release-4.19+Compile\Sync\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Public\Misc/MemStack.h] [Line: 89]

[languid night]

Is there a tutorial out there to package for Oculus GO?

[sonic lake]

@languid night The guide published on the Oculus Developers site is pretty comprehensive: https://developer.oculus.com/documentation/unreal/latest/concepts/unreal-quick-start-guide-go/

The UE4 documentation has not yet caught up with the Oculus Go, but you can refer to the GearVR section. It is pretty much the same workflow.

[languid night]

Thanks!

[stable dove]

Anyone know why a VR character would work in editor but not in a standalone build. Basically the camera shows up at floor level and there are no HMD visuals or control. Just the camera on screen looking straight ahead on the floor. Its set to posses on level start and it works fine in the editor. Any thoughts?

[glossy agate]

Do you have the “dedicated server” check box on in the play settings?

[sturdy coral]

@stable dove possess through auto possess on placed plawn or some other way?'

[pearl tangle]

rather interesting. Anybody know how many they made of these in the first run?

[granite jacinth]

nno clue

wish I gotten 64GB one 😉

But free 32GB ain't bad either

[pearl tangle]

doesn't take an SD card at all does it? @granite jacinth

[granite jacinth]

hmm, good question, let me look

I doubt it

[pearl tangle]

might be 1 advantage on the lenovo mirage. Now they just need to get the ergonomics in line with the Go and they will have a chance

[sturdy coral]

I don't think it does, I think they've been talking about adding usb stick support though

[pearl tangle]

would be a little awkward having a big USB stick stucking out of it though

it's FAT formatted like the GearVR too right? So you can't put a single video file over the 4gb file size or did they finally transition over to NTFS or something?

[sturdy coral]

ah, not sure

[wanton fog]

Can we make loading screen for level transition for VR?

[sturdy coral]

@wanton fog mordentral's vrexpansion exposes a way to change the SteamVR skybox that pops up when loading or stalling

[granite jacinth]

Rift one is broke though

Cause me a major headache this weekend to track down a bug

[shell karma]

Go doesn't come with SD card port sadly

[wicked oak]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/07/01/contagion-vr-outbreak/ @granite jacinth

you on motherfucking rock paper shotgun

[jaunty shell]

and a really good feedback at that, awesome 😃

[wicked oak]

he is already past 115 reviews

[gleaming river]

Hey All, recently got a Vive Pro. Is everyone using 100 ScreenRes with 1 Pixel density still?

[jaunty shell]

@gleaming river got some clarity problems ?

[gleaming river]

A little bit, feels clearer than the previous Vive. I was just wondering if people have been upping the pixel density to go with the new Vive

[granite jacinth]

ROFL @wicked oak jellymuch ;) you really want all those reviews?

And the score ?

Actually. TBH. I am so thankful

Weahve been able to turn around roughly 50% of the launch negative reviews to positive over the weekend

[wicked oak]

yeah, very good damage control

[granite jacinth]

Heh. Yeah, today's the post mortem with the rest of the team... I have a lot to say...

My back is hurt...from all this carrying

[wicked oak]

i havent seen anything from anyone other than you

the one with all the amas, reddit, forums, streaming.. you

[granite jacinth]

This is NOT the kind of launch I would be striving for if I were anyone on here.

Yeah, it's alright. I am having a lot of fun TBH.

There are going to be a lot of changes with how things work. Hopefully we'll see an overall improvement within the team. If not well, the boot.

We already gave the boot to the sound dev, and there are one or two more "on the line"

Not to say I am at all faultless. I should have put my foot down a lot earlier than I did and really pressed the point about the current state of things and what was still left to do for launch (I started only two months ago)

Obviously, hindsight is 20/20.... But I think I wish I could have been able to see it earlier and forced my gameplay cuts earlier.

[shell karma]

how big is the team @granite jacinth ?

[wicked oak]

from my outside view:

really, really good marketing, for a no-money indie. The multiple staggered AMAS, streaming, and general spamming went really well

plus the high quality demo

absolute disaster of a launch. Probably one of the worst ive seen. Definitely needed more time to polish up a bit

good damage control after that disaster

[granite jacinth]

@shell karma was 7. Now 6. Now I need to find another tech artist actually, someone to help me out with random game systems/gameplay/ anim BPs (hopefully)

[wicked oak]

thats not really tech artist, but just gameplay coder

[jaunty shell]

yeah

tech artists help for visuals and tooling

[granite jacinth]

Technically we have 2 already that fit the bill. But after the past months, especially the past week... I need someone I can count on.

[jaunty shell]

wish I had time/was working part time, I'd be happy to help

[wicked oak]

seeing how its gone on PC, the PSVR version would go past 150.000 dollas in sales easy

[granite jacinth]

Nah, I need someone with a mix if possible.

But yeah, more leaning towards coder.

@wicked oak we had over 2k during the weekend

Probably could have been 5k had we not fucked up launch

[wicked oak]

yup

[granite jacinth]

Lots of people waiting to see what happens.

[wicked oak]

an issue is the completely huge refund rate you are going to get

[granite jacinth]

TBH. I don't mind it. I play better like this.

Under the gun. Underdog

[wicked oak]

later-in-life DWVR was like 30% refund rate

that launch... 50% refund rate at minimum

[granite jacinth]

Hehe

[wicked oak]

you can look the refund rate right now

i think its fairly instant

[granite jacinth]

I'm not worried about that TBH

You know how many new reviews went positive over the weekend?

[wicked oak]

a lot

[granite jacinth]

How many deleted their "refund posts" ?

[wicked oak]

from 30% positive to near 60% positive

[granite jacinth]

Or reviews redid

Yeah. I am going to get that shit to 75% this fucking week

That's my goal

[jaunty shell]

💪

[wicked oak]

i still expect a fairly high refund rate honestly. A lot of people just bought, saw thats bugged, and refunded instantly

thats a pretty high crowd

but honestly, i prefer them to refund

that people just refund and say nothing. If they cant refund, they get pissed and go shittalk on forums and the like

thats why im fine with the 30% refund rate on PC

[jaunty shell]

you cant refund stuff on ps4 right ?

[wicked oak]

yup

but PS4 has WAY lower standards

[jaunty shell]

really ? I thought sony would curate a lot more

[wicked oak]

and games arent buged to death due to the QA being a thing

[jaunty shell]

aye

[wicked oak]

well, ps4 players have lower standards

[jaunty shell]

😅

[wicked oak]

far lower

they are a much more casual crowd

PC crowd is elitist as fuck

PC VR is even more elitist

[jaunty shell]

well

niche markets are elitists

[wicked oak]

yup

PC VR is harder to use, so it selects only the most dedicated people

and dedicated people are elitist as fuck

[jaunty shell]

but this kind of crowd also gives a lot more love

[wicked oak]

so it makes sense

[jaunty shell]

kinda like a doubled edged sword

see what happened with that air sim a few months ago

the players destroyed the dev's ratings because they added a spyware to their DLC

[wicked oak]

thats 100% deserved

[jaunty shell]

1000% even

I would be mad as fuck

biting the hand that feeds you

[shell karma]

@mighty carbon as for your question about the santa cruz controllers, sadly I can't say a word about the dev kit

all I can say, it IS impressive

considering rift, go... they've step up their game

[wicked oak]

so it is basically Go+touch?

[shell karma]

untethered 6dof tracking is nuts

[wicked oak]

can you tell us about the power?

is it like Go?

or better

[shell karma]

better

something in between go and rift in terms of perfomance

but that's it

I'm stressed now

[wicked oak]

good shit

[jaunty shell]

in between go and rift ?

so in between a mobile chip and a Titan V ?

:p

Rift performance could be anything

[wicked oak]

im expecting 30 to 100% Extra power compared to the Go

so yeah, higher end mobile, but still mobile

[pearl tangle]

hah it's running a mobile chip pretty much the same as the rest of the 1's. It's all about the thermals really

[wicked oak]

its a much beefier chip

also has to run the 4 camera vision algorithms

[pearl tangle]

its just the snapdragon but the higher version 1 right?

i would have thought they have the cameras on a dedicated chip as well

[granite jacinth]

How people be getting Santa Cruz though:(

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth contacts

they are tier 2 devs

tier 1: first party/AAA

tier 2: high end external studios, famous-ish

tier 3: well known indies

tier 4: the rest

there is movement around PS5 at the moment, but its only on tier 1, and extremelly NDA-d to hell

[granite jacinth]

Guess I am "the rest "ROFL

[wicked oak]

i 100% am

[granite jacinth]

PS5 would be sweet, need to get the game onto PS4 fast then

So we can get PS5 kit

[wicked oak]

you could probably be tier 3 without issues

well, your studio

[granite jacinth]

Yeah

[violet musk]

I have a 360 VR stereo video where I'm trying to use only a fourth of the scene as actual video and the other 3/4 as a static background (to use higher resolutions). My problem is that I don't know how I can combine my stereo material with the setup to combine background + video in a material. Does anybody have a tip here?

[nimble junco]

are the VR hands somewhere provided in 3d formats? like .max or .fbx?
for example if you want to make a custom animation for them

[sonic lake]

@nimble junco You can export the skeletal mesh as FBX directly from UE4. It is under Asset Actions --> Export

[pearl tangle]

@nimble junco just export them out and you can mess with them. Just right click on the skeletal mesh and export

[sonic lake]

One thing to consider is that the trip from UE4 to Blender doesn't always go as expected...

It should work properly if you are using Maya

[nimble junco]

3dsmax it is, ill try it out guys, thanks a lot!

worked like charm, thanks guys

[shell karma]

as for the SC, obviously it's nowhere close to rift in terms of performance, might have put it wrong, what I'm saying is that it's not a GO in terms of visuals and what you can do with it, neither oit's rift, it's something in between when it comes to visual quality you can get

still waiting for an access to their dev fb group

comfortable af, with 6dof tracking

would love to talk more about the hardware spec, but can't and don;t try to bribe meh

[eager pine]

hey guys

why does everything seem so big in VR?

is there a templated settings that changes this or what

i have a VR templated project that does seem like the right scale, and i have an empty project that i transfered my own vr stuff to, and now it all seems of scale

off*

[languid night]

@eager pine Your sensors may be messed up, so you may need to reconfigure them. Maybe your VR pawn (or whatever your using to control the camera) may be messed up as well. Or your models are just too big.

How come Oculus GO doesn't like certain models once Ue4 launches into it?

in example...

[eager pine]

@languid night using vr expansion plugin, seems like it should be alright in config, objects are real life sized, VR pawn height seems good and settings,

flying around seems like the right scale as well and in first person, not in VR, hmm

imma try editing the configs a bit and see what i can do

[languid night]

@eager pine Does the problem replicate in another project?

[sonic lake]

@eager pine Also check that your World To Meters setting has not been altered. It should be 100.0

@languid night Usually the problem is with materials (shaders) and not with models (meshes).

[languid night]

@sonic lake So if replace it with the ue4 default material the problem might go away?

[sonic lake]

@languid night Not 100% clear from your screen shot what the problem could be, but definitely try reverting to a simple (default) material and see if the geometry looks right, then build it from there.

[languid night]

@sonic lake Thank You! Turned out the Oculus Go didn't like that I had those wires together as one mesh.

[eager pine]

the world to meters is correct, never altered

its weird as both projects consist of the same tree, only difference is that the VR one was templated then i removed most of it and used the vr expansion plugin, now im using a blank project for the level design wich i just imported everythig into

[sonic lake]

@eager pine simple test. Attach a controller mesh, taken from the Engine/VR Plugin content, to your MC. Does it look the size of the real controller in your hands?

When you look at it in VR.

[sonic lake]

If yes, then the rest of your world (meaning meshes and props) has the wrong scale. It may be an import issue. If no, then there is something wrong with the overall VR scaling.

[forest plover]

Hello, I think I ran into an issue with the function ProjectWorldLocationToWidgetPosition where it always returns false in VR but works fine when not in VR... has anybody run into this problem and have a solution or workaround?

[sonic lake]

@forest plover Regular widgets don't work properly in VR. What are you trying to achieve?

[forest plover]

A sort of mini map that the player can drag, I'm just trying to get the location from world to widget space. I can't use a 3D model cause it has to be specifically on a 2D plane... @sonic lake

[sonic lake]

@forest plover 3D widgets can be on planes as well.

[forest plover]

I know but I mean it's supposed to be an flat 2d image with buttons and sub menus and stuff that's sort of statically in the world

I'm thinking of doing a sort of makeshift bounds system of the plane if need be...

[sonic lake]

How are you going to interact with it?

[forest plover]

Finger gun pointing ;)

Line trace cause it's supposed to be slow paced

[sonic lake]

Ok, but then it is not 2D, it is 3D and appears in front of you in the world or on your wrist for example.

UE4 has a native widget interaction component you can use

Has all the logic already built in

[forest plover]

Yeah I've been using it

The problem is getting the hit points location and transferring it to 2D vector

[sonic lake]

Ok. Say your map is on a rectangle and you know the positions of the vertexes in 3D space and you know the intersection point as 3D vector, you can easily project it to 2D.

[forest plover]

Like project on to plane?

[sonic lake]

Exactly. The plane of the map.

[forest plover]

Currently had to walk away from my computer so that's why I ask instead of testing g myself :P have to eat

[sonic lake]

Bon appetit!

[forest plover]

But thanks for the help! :D

[sonic lake]

No problem. I am sure you can figure it out easily.

[forest plover]

Yeah just use the forward vector(which is my plane in this case) and get the Y and Z for X and Y should hopefully work!

[sonic lake]

If it's perfectly vertical yes.

Otherwise you need a bit of projection.

Think rotating the intersection point onto a vertical plane

[forest plover]

oh wow apparently they might have fixed that issue with the function in 4.20! When it comes out I will have to try 😄

[sturdy coral]

I'm getting no textures on steamvr render models in packaged games; anyone else see the same with theirs?

works fine in non-packaged

[tired tree]

@sturdy coral using the new model loading that Epic added?

they are using an editor only texture creation process

its even commented as such in the source....

one of the bug reports that is unresolved

the colors are still wrong too

[sturdy coral]

@tired tree yeah using the one they added, I may need to move over to yours if it is still available in 4.19

[tired tree]

well i use the same functions obviously, I just use a different texture creation method "IE: what literally everyone uses and why didn't epic just do it that way"

the colors being off I have as a confirmed bug....but its just sitting there in queue

its a 1 enum change

[sturdy coral]

is it srgb or something?

[tired tree]

bgr

[sturdy coral]

ah

[tired tree]

the OpenVR sdk even says to use that

well

sorry, they are using bgr

openVR uses RGB8

[mighty carbon]

has anyone here done AI (not using C++) ? asking for help in #gameplay-ai is like pulling teeth :/

[languid night]

@mighty carbon I've done some really dumb AI stuff. Random points and the like.

I can't seem to get my materials (even though they're just colors) to work in oculus go. In editor, it's textured and everything. Did anyone else here encounter this? These models and materials work fine on the Rift.

[mighty carbon]

@languid night So basically, this is my issue - I am setting a bool, have a service that checks for it, but decorator doesn't break Move To to stop AI from moving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhgYN2X_bvE

what am I doing wrong ?

[languid night]

@mighty carbon I can't really say. I don't know all this stuff. Sorry.

[pearl tangle]

@languid night are you privewing in mobile quality in the editor?

[languid night]

@pearl tangle No. I'm previewing it regularly.

@pearl tangle I launched it to my Oculus GO.

[pearl tangle]

yep so preview it in the editor in the mobile quality, like what it's going to appear on the GO and then you will see whats wrong

it will likely come up with a problem in the editor

[languid night]

@pearl tangle Alright, will do. Which Preview Level does it use? Does Oculus GO use high end mobile or just mobile/html 5?

[pearl tangle]

high end mobile should be fine i think

[native cedar]

any successful case of two-handed rifles implemented in VR?

[sonic lake]

@native cedar What's your question?

[native cedar]

I am asking if anyone knows any successful case of two handed rifles implemented in VR, that would be my question

I have only seen one handed guns so far

[sonic lake]

I know plenty of them. There is also one in Mordentral's VR Expansion plugin.

[native cedar]

great! Would you know any game I can look at when they do some nasty shooting with a two handed gun?

[sonic lake]

This is my own implementation (just a concept): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84vkZU-QuQ

Look up Onward

[native cedar]

thank you man, really made my day

[sonic lake]

You are welcome!

[native cedar]

I would like to see a "tilt" system on two handed weapons

like if I tilt both hands the weapon tilts aswell

[sonic lake]

@native cedar Not sure I follow. The tilt is controlled by the forward hand.

[wanton fog]

Guyz I'm having a serious problem in my project.
I have a media player in my level and a box static mesh with box collision on it. I have used onverlapping begin node and open source node to play the media player. The problem is its working in simulation but when playing in VR mode, the media player is not starting.

Please help me I have been trying to solve this from 2 days.

[neon egret]

Anyone here with a Multiplayer Project on Oculus had issues with the submission cause of the Firewall dialog?

I'm not aware of any way to stop Windows from triggering this.

And Oculus blocks submissions that do that.

(Totally stupid in my eyes)

[wicked oak]

@neon egret not possible to avoid

its something in the OS itself

the OS is programmed to bring the firewall dialog on every networked program

but i think that if you use oculus sockets and networking it doesnt get firewalled? not sure

[neon egret]

It uses Gamesparks

So I can't avoid that

[granite jacinth]

@neon egret You using GS for cross-play?

[distant spoke]

Hey guys !!! I need some help for something that should be quite simple but can't figure out... I have a webcam attached to a VR headset and would like to be able to stream it inside the headset in unreal... So this way you see in VR through the webcam anybody knows how to do that ?

[neon egret]

@granite jacinth Na for all backend

[sturdy coral]

@neon egret it is possible to avoid on steam games with an install script that gets a signed firewall entry from Valve, not sure if oculus store has something similar

[neon egret]

Alright, will pass that on. Ty!

[languid night]

@pearl tangle THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[mighty carbon]

I think I know now why most of VR folks either make PvP or puzzle games - AI in UE4 is f#cking disaster when using Behavior Trees and it's virtually impossible to find help on the subject (outside of the scope of the AI tutorials, that are all the same and offer only basic scenario outside of which sh#t doesn't work as expected) 😦

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon do you know that unreal tools are beyond any other engine for ai

the thing is that good AI is hard

thats a non engine specific thing

behavior trees exist for "simple-ish" AI, like typical enemy AI

so you can create simple behaviors for your enemies without too much effort

if you want something actually impressive, you gotta code it, and thats NOT easy

[mighty carbon]

What I am experiencing is that decorator switches selector in one case and doesn't in another

[wary onyx]

if you a dev on PSVR please contact me to answer this question, I have a VR character with full body except a head the camera is attached to his head but when i go in VR the camera goes below his feet

[mighty carbon]

no reason for it to work in one place, but not in another place @wicked oak

one can do any AI with BT/BP alone, if BTs work.. I somehow doubt they consistent in UE4

[wary onyx]

@mighty carbon take tom looman's course he will make you have a deeper understanding in AI, and its advanced

he also teaches you how to do complex Movement with them

[eager pine]

having some troubles here figuring how to lock the shoulders more in an IK arm rigg for the player

anyone good with this?

[wary onyx]

@eager pine same here

[mighty carbon]

oh, damn.. I forgot I purchased his course

[eager pine]

ahh really

okay

did you follow the easy ik arm rigging?

@wary onyx

forgot to tag sorry

[wary onyx]

@eager pine my problem is with is head

[eager pine]

okay?

you trying to rigg the head?

show me your prints, i may have a solution for you

we are only rigging the arms, less to think about and not a experience ruiner for our game

[wary onyx]

his head is fully rigged but the only problem is the camera goes below to his foot

and my character is full body

[eager pine]

the camera?

lol what xD

[wary onyx]

yeah the camera is his head

sorry

i am bad at explaining

[eager pine]

show a pic then

😛

[wary onyx]

well i will have to go in psvr

[eager pine]

Well, anyway, did you solve the shoulder things?

😛

[wary onyx]

i am gonna ask one of my guys they helped me with rigging

[eager pine]

i followed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKR8ogonD68&t=832s And i have to major problems: 1, the shoulders are moving inn togheter and creating a "cleavage" and just looks disturbing 2. Major late update towards the locations of the hands 3. Armstreching breaks the elbow 4. No easy solution for hands animation any suggestions would be nice

BUT, i broke up the mannequin, removed everything expect the arms and hands, rerigged and reskinned it properly

Would it be smarter to have two riggs, instead of one, one for the left arm and one for the right arm, then parent them to the hands, and locking the clavicle to a position in the vr character?

If i were to solve all of this, i would prob share the solution as well so its easier for others 😛 Help would be appreciated 😄

[wary onyx]

@eager pine no problem buddy but i think you just solved my problem

LOL

[eager pine]

how? xD

@spring root im curious lol

@wary onyx

wrong gabe sorry

[wary onyx]

@eager pine the head lol

@eager pine i had to make a VROrigin

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon i was the one who made the first article in BTs, and im using them for all my enemies in the dungeon game

they are pretty fine

as long as you understand what they are for

they are for enemies with predictable patterns, basically a hierarchical state machine with the concept of "this after that"

they do not work for more fuzzy AIs, like the AI of a shooter bot that needs to mimic a human, and they are HORRIBLE for any kind of strategy game AI

[eager pine]

http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2767093&seqNum=3

this maybe solve some problems idk havent tried yet

[mighty carbon]

@wicked oak https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/805149/making-jumping-ai-how-to-make-decorator-abort-tree.html << doesn't seem to work for me for this specific case

[wicked oak]

using behavior trees for movement is your error in the first place

the behavior tree should not have anything to do with movement

thats movement code, same as animation, is a different thing

behavior tree is for "high level" logic

pursue player, attack player, fall back, etc

[mighty carbon]

eeh? Move To is a built in task and it works

I just need to abort it when I need to

also can make Custom Move To task (BP code) and use it the tree

[wicked oak]

thats what i do myself

i dont use the default move to task

its kind of horrid

so i have my own custom Move To, wich does a couple more complicated things

have you looked at Robo Recall BTs?

[mighty carbon]

the point is that decorator doesn't work somehow

yeah and it's a fucking mess

[wicked oak]

weird about the decorator thing

personally, i dont have decorators that abort things in that way, so cant compare it with what im doing right now

last time i did that was like 3 years ago

everything is different now

[tired tree]

RR's trees aren't a mess

they just have a decent amount of the core in c++

so its not entirely transferable

[wicked oak]

as it should be

leave blueprint for timed flows, use C++ for the complex math/algoritms

[mighty carbon]

🙄

[fleet plume]

i've only used a BT asset in unity

but depending on the node, the initialization and subsequent ticking was sometimes a bit odd

maybe you've run into such a problem?

[mighty carbon]

I am gonna have to go over TL's training materials and see about what he has there

[fleet plume]

can you step through ue4's BT's?

[mighty carbon]

also going to go over, again, few other recommended tutorials.. The problem is that I did what tutorial said to do and it worked in one place, but didn't work with Move To task

step through as debugging with breakpoints ?

[fleet plume]

like blueprint breakpoints

where you also see the current execution flow

[mighty carbon]

probably.. what's the point though? I see that bool gets set to "true", yet decorator doesn't even care.. until I set to abort on itself.. Then it aborts properly, but I don't know how to reset it back

[fleet plume]

i have to look into BT's this week, so curious how that will work out 😄

the asset i was using in unity had kind of a clean-up step for each node

similar to an FSM: enter, tick, exit

[mighty carbon]

I kinda like FSM more than I like BTs (especially coming from Quake and Doom 3 modding)

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon "emulating" a state machine on behavior tree is trivial

multiple ways of doing so

decorators being one

is state = something? then go

also lets you do the whole interruption part

[fleet plume]

    public BehaveResult InitAttackAction(Tree sender)
    {
        ...
    }

    public BehaveResult TickAttackAction(Tree sender)
    {
        if (monsterEntity.hasAttack)
        {
            return BehaveResult.Running;
        }

        return BehaveResult.Success;
    }

    public void ResetAttackAction(Tree sender)
    {
        customAIPath.StartPathfinding();
    }

would be surprised if ue4 wouldn't let you clean up after yourself

[mighty carbon]

well, that interruption by decorator is something I need to investigate more..

[fleet plume]

@wicked oak i guess you can inherit all of the BT node types in ue4 in c++?

[wicked oak]

yes

look at ShooterGame

[fleet plume]

cool

[wicked oak]

they do exactly that

i do not recomend it

[fleet plume]

looking forward to make my first enemy in ue4

oh

[wicked oak]

behavior tree is at its best, by far, when its coded with blueprints

due to its event based nature

i have ALL my tasks as blueprints

all of them

but they all call into some AI code in the enemy controller

like "melee attack", or "cast spell" etc

[fleet plume]

so you're having lots of UFUNCTIONs in there

sounds ok to me

[wicked oak]

lets take an obvious example

my Skeleton King Boss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAaLolSsRCc

this fella

btw he works MP just fine, switches enemy aggro

(opening unreal to take pics)

[fleet plume]

no need

at least not for me

[fleet plume]

i'am on the jump to playing some ps4

[wicked oak]

as you can see here (for both of you), my tasks are all very high level

basically attack states

do hability X, or launch spell, or just attack "normally" wich is the default

[fleet plume]

are the properties on the selector regular blueprint properties?

[wicked oak]

yes

the selectors are all normal

except the distance one, wich i made myself

nvm, decorators, sorry

[fleet plume]

i'd have to call into the ECS

😄

guess that would be wired through the AI controller

[mighty carbon]

where are your services @wicked oak ?

you only have decorators

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon i dont have them

i just do not need them

[mighty carbon]

I see

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon the BT acts as an orchestrator, really. A lot of the "regular" logic is done in the controller and extra components

for example aggro is done in an actual aggro component

that checks line of sight and calculates who to attack

[mighty carbon]

right, but that's how you did it, which is all done in C++, right ?

[wicked oak]

yes

all that complicated stuff is C++

aggro component is 100% c++ with blueprints events and other added

[wary onyx]

hi guys i cant see the ui i made for my VR

Any ideas?

[languid night]

Is it possible to package and store ue4 games on the Oculus GO?

[tacit quest]

@wary onyx you can't use standard ui for vr, you have to place ui in world space

[wary onyx]

@tacit quest okay do you have any tutorial for this?

[tacit quest]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Engine/Components/Widget

@wary onyx have a look at that, just a component that can instantiate a UMG widget in world space.

[wary onyx]

@tacit quest thank you so much! do you have one for huds

[sturdy coral]

@wary onyx UE4 HUDs don't work in VR, you should use the same type of widget component and attach to head, or possibly pass texture from it to compositor overlay

[charred portal]

https://youtu.be/sqkqCIEXmf0

[sonic lake]

@languid night do you need something different from adb install?

[languid night]

@sonic lake No, I figured it all out. Your various forum posts have been very helpful though!

[tacit sinew]

hi, would it be possible to simulate keypress by blueprint?|

I'm trying to create a 3D button that when pressed, it does the same function as "Key Press 9"

[pearl tangle]

Why would you need to simulate that? Just set it up in your input on the same action as 9 is

[tacit sinew]

i did some function's on level bp who use keyboard-keys and now i'm trying to put on 3D button some of them.

[sturdy coral]

@tacit sinew see ShooterGame's player controller

    /** used for input simulation from blueprint (for automatic perf tests) */
    UFUNCTION(BlueprintCallable, Category="Input")
    void SimulateInputKey(FKey Key, bool bPressed = true);```

void AShooterPlayerController::SimulateInputKey(FKey Key, bool bPressed)
{
    InputKey(Key, bPressed ? IE_Pressed : IE_Released, 1, false);
}```

but it isn't a good way of going about things

[tacit sinew]

oh

there is a way on bp for ez way?

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon i have seen the gltf pull request

so with that, multiple animations actually work?

did ue4 add skeletal gltf in 4.20?

[mighty carbon]

well, I can't test since UE4 still doesn't support glTF with anims

afaik

and since whoever wrote Blender glTF exporter care more about WebGL, they made it where you can't just export Actions. You have to set up NLA tracks in order to export anims 🙄 (unless it changed by now)

@wicked oak ^^

[wicked oak]

thats fine tho

[mighty carbon]

not really.. it's just easier to not mess with NLA Editor at all

https://www.facebook.com/HCI.Research/videos/1705415359496341/

when is it coming !?!?!

[final phoenix]

https://skfb.ly/6zuUE

includes pbr textures for ue4 figured i'd share it here.

[pearl tangle]

@mighty carbon that sort of hand tracking has been around for quite some time, it's just very expensive to do it. Optitrack make the best available 1's around but you need a bunch of cameras and they are a few grand a piecce

they are using the optitrack cameras in that setup as well

you can go for the more expensive 1's that are like $4500 a piece and just use UV makeup instead of ping pong balls

[mighty carbon]

@pearl tangle but I hope that the cost will be reduced significantly for consumer version, if they even plan on releasing it as consumer solution

[pearl tangle]

not sure that tech will come down significantly in price anytime too soon really. Although optitrack doesn't really have too many competitors around so their price is highly inflated but it's also very impressive, it's what a lot of motion capture studio's use for everything

[mighty carbon]

is it a matter of having awesome cameras ?

[pearl tangle]

they aren't regular cameras. They are IR cameras and the lights around them are very bright IR lights so they illuminate the room and the balls reflect it back. Then it's all time of flight calculations from multiple cameras to triangulate the position of them. The highest 1's they have do that at 1000hz i think, the regular priced sort of 1's do 240 or cheaper is 120

[mighty carbon]

I see

[dusky moon]

Heyya! any1 knows if the stuttering issue with Oculus that caused by new Nvidia drivers fixed already ?! It's been ages that I kept mine at 388 and don't have the guts to upgrade

[sonic lake]

@dusky moon I am still on 384.94 on my dev laptop with GTX1070. It is stable with no stuttering. On desktops with GTX 1080 we are using the latest drivers with no stuttering.

[dusky moon]

@sonic lake ah good... I'll try upgrading. it's hard to keep up with old ones... substance painter lags and some other softwares too

[junior grove]

Is there a way to make the HMD camera not inherit it's rotation from the actor it's attached to while still inheriting location?

[sonic lake]

@dusky moon I am seeing the problem only on laptops. Probably because of GPU overclocking / throttling.

[junior grove]

Or do I have to rewrite my actor so the actor itself doesn't actually turn?

[sonic lake]

@junior grove You can unlock the camera from the HMD and update its position/rotation manually on Tick. In this way though you loose the late updates as well. The other option is that whenever the camera linked to the HMD rotates, on Tick you counter-rotate the VR origin to compensate for that. In this way though you may have some jittering because the camera uses late updates while your compensation doesn't. If you really need it and want it to be precies, the best option would be to modify CameraComponent.cpp and recompile the engine.

This said, limiting head movements in VR is a very bad idea is it can lead to sickness very quickly. Make sure you have a good reason for wanting to do that.

[junior grove]

Making a basic tank game prototype, the player is standing inside the turretbasket and the tank can rotate around the player

Right now the player inherits the tanks rotation, having the turret rotate around you feels pretty good, but turning the tank spins the player too and that is at least making me motionsick, figured I'd try with no rotation inheriting at all

[sonic lake]

Ok, but then you simply parent the VR camera to the turret instead that to the tank body. And if the tank body rotates, you counter rotate the turret to keep it still. Not a tank expert, but I believe this is the way they work anyway so they can keep aiming/firing at a target while moving around.

So whatever the Delta Yaw of the tank, you apply -Delta Yaw to the turret.

[junior grove]

That sounds like the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do haha

What you are describing is gun gyrostabilization which is something only modern tanks have

[sonic lake]

Ok, but also in old tanks the guy handling the weapon sits in the turret and rotates with it, no?

The tank body rotates around him and he has to apply a counter rotation to the turret to keep aiming at the same spot.

[junior grove]

Yeah, either the gunner is standing on the floor of the tank, like how it currently works in my "game" or sits/stands in the turret

[sonic lake]

You have to balance out between realism and triggering sickness. Anyway, out of experience, limiting head rotations will get you sick sooner, believe me.

[junior grove]

I think I'm trying to solve an unsolvable problem, since I think I've gotten motionsick in every ground vehicle game I've tried

[sonic lake]

You are removing a compensation mechanism and thus increasing the oculo-vestibular mismatch which is a the basis of VR sickness.

This is something you can get used to if you keep practicing, but if you are prone to motion sickness it is not easy to get around it.

What you could do maybe is simulating looking through binoculars or similar.

A narrower field of view reduces the triggering of VR sickness.

This technique is used for example in Google Earth VR.

[junior grove]

I think placing the player in the turret probably works with different controls

rn you control the tank by pointing the left controller in a direction you want to go and using the trigger, that slowly rotates the tank around and starts moving

but that's a feedback loop if it also moves the camera

[sonic lake]

You can always compensate the tank rotation by counter rotating the turret automatically.

Try it, maybe it helps.

There is no point in making it too realistic if your players get sick.

Or you do.

[wicked oak]

the blinds work well

i implemented them and they are a huge help

[sonic lake]

@wicked oak How are you narrowing the field of view? Only laterally or also vertically?

[wicked oak]

a circle

[sonic lake]

ok, similar to Google Earth VR

Everest VR uses a box instead, mostly for the flying scenes

Gives you a TV screen/cinema effect.

We narrow the field of view laterally on fast rotations.

[mighty carbon]

@full junco https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/rendering/85035-vulkan-status?p=1497807#post1497807

Do you know anything about that?

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon memeing

[mighty carbon]

eeh, that's retarded. Especially that he put frown emoji instead of a wink

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon

he has logged to unreal forums today

the death guy is also a 4 message account

so memeing

[mighty carbon]

I guess.. I flagged his post

[wicked oak]

why the flag? he is just memeing

[mighty carbon]

because it was retarded post... If it had a wink emoji, I wouldn't even bother.. But RIP with frown face, when a person is alive and well, is pretty stupid and not funny

[eternal inlet]

@sonic lake and @dusky moon i still get stuttering and hitching in 4.19 with 1080ti and latest drivers

according to the bugsubmissions, it hasn't been fixed either

but some people on Fortnite has been reporting issues too, so maybe now Epic games will finally look into it

there's a forum thread here btw: https://forums.unrealengine.com/unreal-engine/feedback-for-epic/1457519-4-19-4-20-editor-packaged-games-have-hangs-hiccups-constantly

[glossy agate]

@eternal inlet Do they know what the problem is specifically? Im using 4.19 and we test a lot but never have hitching. At least if I know the issue I can avoid doing that to my project in the future

[eternal inlet]

im not sure tbo, i was under the impression that it was a kinda wide spread issue

@glossy agate not sure you tried the most recent version of my demo? i would expect you to see a lot of hitching and stutters

but if you do not, then THAT would be very interresting indeed

[glossy agate]

Ill check it out tonight and let you know

[eternal inlet]

@glossy agate thx a lot

[sonic lake]

@eternal inlet I understood your issue was related to level streaming and not specifically related to graphic drivers.

Or?

[eternal inlet]

i think it is, but im not sure... seems to also happen when i just move around inside a level without triggering a new streaming level

[sonic lake]

Did you try to downgrade the graphic drivers?

[mighty carbon]

I am still using old drivers because of many issues new drivers introduced

[eternal inlet]

it's really hard to diagnose, since everytime i run stat startfile it completely kills performance

[sonic lake]

Oh yes, that is also a known issue

[eternal inlet]

i didn't try downgrade drivers no, but i also recall when i was on 4.18, i never had these issues

then i upgraded to 4.19, and i was getting these occasional stutters, which i just thought was my pc

[sonic lake]

Vive right?

[eternal inlet]

so after developing on for a week or two, i realized it was actually stuttering and it didn't go away

both Vive and Oculus

and running with PD=1 and SS=100 and made sure wit VIS, that the resulutions are correct

[sonic lake]

Any hint from RenderDoc? Or is it impossible to grab at the right time?

[eternal inlet]

Never heard about RenderDoc?

[sonic lake]

https://renderdoc.org

Snapshot of what happens on the GPU, not sure 100% it can help in your case though

If your issue is CPU related it won't help

[eternal inlet]

i'll look into it, but it's not CPU related

[sonic lake]

This can also help you: Intel GPA

https://software.intel.com/en-us/gpa

But intermittent problems are the most difficult to isolate and diagnose

Happy to try your demo and report back

I have Oculus only

[eternal inlet]

@sonic lake thx, i'll download and give it a try 👍

btw, i just digged out an old build made on 4.18 that i packaged a month ago, it runs butter smooth with same drivers as the current 4.19 does which stutters and hitches like a noob

[sturdy coral]

@junior grove another way is you can add an empty scene component as your VRRoot, and set bAbsoluteRotation = true on it; then rotation of the vrroot will be world space but location will still be relative to pawn

[granite jacinth]

https://www.roadtovr.com/valve-reveals-top-selling-steam-vr-games-2018-far/

Grats @full junco !

A shame our week one sales didn't count :( well, no clue when they tallied the list

[pearl tangle]

@granite jacinth hows the sales been going?

[wanton fog]

Anyone have idea why player teleport to the place where their is no NavMeshBound?

[pearl tangle]

@wanton fog can you elaborate a bit more? As in the teleport is going outside of the navmesh?

[wanton fog]

I addded NavMeshBound in the level , My Player in VR should only teleport to the area where NavMeshBound is applied right? but it is also getting teleport to the area where the NavMeshBound is not present.

You can see the NavMesh Here. Now the problem is when Player try to teleport outside of the NavMesh it get teleported below the Landscape and stuck there.

@pearl tangle

[junior grove]

@sturdy coral Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for

Anyone know how the get Shadowplay to record only the VR preview window instead of the whole screen?

[wicked oak]

@pearl tangle you can get an stimate looking at the amounts of reviews he has.. He would be probably be on the gold tier of that website

[mighty carbon]

Gold tier is how much? @wicked oak ?

[granite jacinth]

@pearl tangle @wicked oak @mighty carbon Dunno about gold tier, but we probably could have made it to Tin Tier at 3k sales in one week.

It's hard to say if we would have done better waiting a week or not since the Summer Sale was finishing off. TBH, I doubt we would have caught some of these bugs still, because they weren't caught before by the testers and other team members.

A lot of the reviews had I not done any damage control would be negative, Definitely would be around 25-30% mark right now. So, take that with a grain of salt the amount of reviews, because people weren't happy and wanted to express themselves the only way they thought they could.

So, if you want a lot of reviews, I guess the strategy is to have a bad launch, get a lot of haters, turn those haters to your side, now have a higher happy rate.

3k sales with only 150 reviews

5%

have only submitted reviews

[mighty carbon]

I see

Not too bad I suppose

[sonic lake]

@granite jacinth Don't mention the "bad launch" strategy to Seth Godin, he may write a book about it!

[granite jacinth]

Who's that?

[sonic lake]

Marketing Guru

Anyway, great recovery rate! 👍

[granite jacinth]

Seeing funny reviews like this

Good times

Before, s/he was complaining about seeing my lovely face and was negative review

[sonic lake]

Never nice when it gets personal. But converted haters are a very powerful ad.

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth 5% review is through the roof

the usual is 1-2%

3k sales on Steam is mighty fine, DWVR is 1000 PC and 5000 PS4. Now i want to see how much the game would sell on PSVR

[granite jacinth]

hm

If my plans work out, should do well, it'll be more polished by then anyway

@wicked oak how long has DWVR been out on PC?

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth a year

[granite jacinth]

hm

I think we'll hit around 10-15K in about a year

Looking at the current trend post release

This doesn't include Major Content Update or Sales spikes

We have 2/3 sales in the next year we'll hit

[wicked oak]

yeah 10k is likely

and given your game would sell better than mine, 20k on PSVR are probable

that is a lot of money

but im not sure about the spread, do you spread the money beetween yourselves, or you are paid a salary or similar @granite jacinth

[granite jacinth]

Yeah, right now, "salary" (technically not, because we're all contractors)

But we all have a set monthly pay

Salary = Full-Time Employee Pay

[kindred skiff]

Hi guys, does anybody know how to access the accelometer data of Oculus Go controller?

[sonic lake]

@kindred skiff cannot check right now, but try with http://api.unrealengine.com/INT/BlueprintAPI/Input/OculusLibrary/GetRawSensorData/index.html

[kindred skiff]

Thanksa @sonic lake , I'll check that out

[kindred skiff]

Can confirm this works @sonic lake Thanks again!

[sonic lake]

@kindred skiff you are welcome!

[rocky latch]

Hello everyone

first time here and I already have problem hehe

does anybody here had a problem similar to this: Camera locked to HMD will increase or decrease its yaw very slowly (I'm seeing this on a Samsung S6) with no aparent reason?

[sturdy coral]

@rocky latch I think that is just a limitation of gyro based tracking; oculus DK1 could correct for it using accelerometer and digital compass, but it required a calibration step for the compass to work well any time you moved it to a new area

[rocky latch]

@sturdy coral thats so weird, he never perceived an effect like that on other games, but now the camera is actually doing a complete turn in a few minutes

also got a test in nexus 5, same effect

Thanks for the reply btw =)!

[sonic lake]

@rocky latch All gyro based tracking systems have some degree of drift due to the double integration of the acceleration to get to velocity and then to position (same for angular acceleration to angular speed and then to angle). This said, the drift should not be that fast unless some other factors contribute to it. Does it drift only with your UE4 project or also with any other VR app?

[rocky latch]

it drifts only on the phone,

I also created a clean project right now, and the same issue appeared

so I'm guessing its intrisic to cardboard

I think we just didn't notice until now hahaha

[sonic lake]

Strange. In my experience even phone based VR can be pretty stable.

[rocky latch]

The test I made was create the simplest vr project for phone, created an empty level, a pawn with camera and started Printing the cam orientation on tick

then i left my phone still on the table

and the yaw starts to move very slowly

[sonic lake]

Vertically on the table or laying on it?

[rocky latch]

it was on landscape mode making 90degrees to the table

[sonic lake]

Any strong magnetic field nearby? Speakers? Transformers?

[rocky latch]

well, in this last test I was supporting on a speaker, but many others were made supporting on a water bottle

tryed now far away from any magnet

same

I'm gonna upload this test project

[sonic lake]

Does it also happen with any VR app from the store?

Or just yours?

[rocky latch]

i don't have any app from the store in this phone actually :C kt

[sonic lake]

Sorry can't test it right now, away from my dev system

Try one

[rocky latch]

can i send the project here? its 600kb

hmm ok,

[sonic lake]

Try any VR app from the store

To confirm is not just your project drifting

Maybe someone else here can try your project

Here or on #mobile

[sturdy coral]

@rocky latch cardboard is usually worse than gear, etc.; gearvr has a separate gyro/accelerometer in it that is calibrated across a big temperature range

I think daydream capable phones have better calibration than normal though and that might show through there if they are used with cardboard

[sonic lake]

@sturdy coral True. Even the Oculus Go has some drift, but it is minimal. On the other hand you should not see even a basic phone "spin around" quickly unless something is off.

[rocky latch]

hahahhaa

[sonic lake]

@rocky latch You should get a new phone

😉

[rocky latch]

well, my QA tester is sayiing last Friday's build didn't have this problem. Im puzzled, since with a clean project this happens... anyway I'm trying this old build to check it

I have to leave right now guys, but thanks very much for the attention, appreciated!

[sonic lake]

Great! We love mysterious bugs on this channel.

Oh too bad! Allright take care.

[rocky latch]

Its so good to have a chat for this now, forum iteration is kind slow

[sonic lake]

👍

[tawny salmon]

Hi everyone’s I looking for courses about How to make reality virtuel for architecture scène. Please help me. I use UE4

[sturdy coral]

made a feature request to free up the windows MR thumbstick click bindings for other uses and it looks like it might come through 😃

https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/8wqqs0/i_made_a_feature_request_to_allow_the_steamvr/

[wicked oak]

http://www.arstechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/games_achievements_players_2018-07-01.csv Link to the leaked sales data

Fallout 4 VR is at 130.000 units, Skyrim VR at 100.000

Raw data is 150.000 units

and arizona sunshine at 170.000

doing some easy math, we can calculate tha Arizona Sunshine, the most profitable game in Steam, has made around 2.000.000 dollars in profit

most likely less

[fleet plume]

170k @ 40 $ == 6.8M
so i'd guess profit is much closer to 3M

[wicked oak]

@fleet plume commonly on sale, so i averaged at 30$ per sale

plus then 50% from store cut and taxes

so beetween 2 and 3 million

[fleet plume]

that sounds about right

though i think it's hard to talk about profit

gross is easier

[wicked oak]

if oculus sends 10 milliion to epic, i guess it sends a few million to Echo arena, mages tale, or artika 1

wich means that none of those would ever be anything but a spectacular flop if they didnt get the oculus cash

[fleet plume]

that too

i guess there's no sales numbers on those games

makes you wonder if VR was too early again

[mighty carbon]

Revenue, not profit

Also games go on sale every now and then, which means revenue can we lower or higher. Can't calculate using $30 as average .

Store cut is 30%

[wicked oak]

your original game steel storm didnt have achievements, no?

you are not on the list

[mighty carbon]

Taxes vary, depending on country and type of business entity

Also Arizona Sunshine was sponsored (or funded?) by Intel

No, SS had no achievements or leaderboards

I'd say if a game was made by 2 people team and profited at $1M before split, it would be a very healthy profit even in USA

[wicked oak]

yeah, but look at the vr games

and how many of them "can" go past a million in net revenue (After steam cut + taxes)

[sturdy coral]

Would have been really interesting to see beat saber sales since it came out after steamspy stopped working

But I guess it has no achievements

[mighty carbon]

They said it surpassed 100k units

[wicked oak]

i ported DWVR from 4.16 to 4.19

i had.. nearly no issues

something is fishy here

specially becouse i bumped 3 versions directly

[mighty carbon]

Cool, but try updating to 4.20 🙄

[wicked oak]

i dont think i can have interesting stuff with 4.20

what im going to try is to hack oculus dither on PS4

it has a big chance of actually working

and given how pixel starved the ps4 is, maybe i can get a considerable boost

there are a few techniques i want to try to make DWVR faster

lets see if i can take it to 90 fps on Ps4 Base

and 120 on pro

[tired tree]

4.20 isn't as bad as the start of 4.19 was

hell, 90% of my bug reports are fixed already even

[cloud bone]

oh, 4.20 is out now?

(late to conversation and jumping in middle, sorry)

[sturdy coral]

just the preview so far

[wicked oak]

i think oculus has errored and its sending me ANOTHER oculus go

suddenly i have a invoice for a 0 dollars oculus go in my email

(legit mail from oculus.com)

i guess as i asked twice and there is tons of account weirdness...

[granite jacinth]

lucky you

[forest plover]

@wicked oak something similar happened to me with a regular rift, I sent them a message about having some weird stuttering while having Netflix open in another window and they considered it a hardware issue and just sent me another for free... Turned out it was rift core 2.0 beta causing the issue so now I got an extra rift and controller set :D

[eternal inlet]

Most of the stuttering i saw on 4.19 seem to be gone on 4.20p5 thats very promising indeed

[fleet plume]

@wicked oak have you given any thought about writing a proposal to oculus? for sending you a santa cruz because you'd like to port DWVR to it?

😃

[wicked oak]

i will. But i want to experiment a bit before that

i just ran straight into the HAND changes of ue4

from enum to name

fucking RIP in pieces

becouse i use Left-right fucking everywhere xD

[fleet plume]

they're FNames now?

i'd honestly write right now

that's the dev in you, not the biz guy

[wicked oak]

yes

[fleet plume]

the biz guy basically says: OF COURSE WE CAN DO IT

😄

[wicked oak]

im now writing a small set of "wrapper" functions

to adapt everything

[fleet plume]

why FNames?

they faster?

serializable?

[wicked oak]

becouse openXR

no, they are flexible

[fleet plume]

but also flexible to make mistakes

[wicked oak]

UENUM(BlueprintType)
enum class EControllerHand : uint8
{
    Left,
    Right,
    AnyHand,
    Pad,
    ExternalCamera,
    Gun,
    Special_1,
    Special_2,
    Special_3,
    Special_4,
    Special_5,
    Special_6,
    Special_7,
    Special_8,
    Special_9,
    Special_10,
    Special_11,

    ControllerHand_Count UMETA(Hidden, DisplayName = "<INVALID>"),
};

this is how it is

[fleet plume]

or do the use static wrapper?

[wicked oak]

as an enum

see all that Special bullshit?

with FNames they can be extended infinitely

and its not a speed bump becouse FNames are hashed

so they are fast to compare

[fleet plume]

the alternative? FName(TEXT("Special_12a"))

see the "a"?

[wicked oak]

no, FName("WhateverDevice")

wich is how OpenXR works

everything is through straight up name strings

[fleet plume]

but still the door is than open for very stupid mistakes

[wicked oak]

yes

thats why im doing helper functions

with my own version of the enum

i do not like strings and names in code

[fleet plume]

basically from/to LUT?

[wicked oak]

i hate them

yes

becouse its way too fucking easy to mistype

[fleet plume]

yeah!

[wicked oak]

and then you cant find the error until that code runs

i basically forbid string compares in everything i code

if it needs to have a name, make it an enum

[fleet plume]

also zeblote or somebody else said to use TEXT

[wicked oak]

thats wrong

[fleet plume]

because of encoding and different platforms

[wicked oak]

FNames can be as FName("Whatev")

if you uses non-ascii, fuck you

[fleet plume]

hahaha

no

plain fucking text

[wicked oak]

thats in the case you do weird shit like FName("España")

[fleet plume]

i only use emojis for class names

😛

what about FString then?

still no need for TEXT macro?

[wicked oak]

also no

TEXT is for unicode (emojis) and unicode strings, also allows for easy-ish localization

[fleet plume]

i wish people on #cpp would have ONE oppinion 😄

[wicked oak]

typical Cpp

meanwhile here i am actually writing haskell like a proper madman

its neat

you dont need to use types on the functions

[fleet plume]

yeah well, haskell has it;s own set of problems

[wicked oak]

the thing automaticaly creates generic (templated) version of your function, depending on what you are doing with the variables

[fleet plume]

you're using types, the compiler is just nice enough to infer them for you

[wicked oak]

like, if you have fun_1 a b c = a + b + c

the compiler sees that a b c must be something that can be summed together

and decides its a "numeric" type

or just something that implements "add"

[fleet plume]

could be a string though

[wicked oak]

you cant "+" strings in haskell

strings are strictly character lists

[fleet plume]

you could overload _+ though 😄

[wicked oak]

you can append them

yeah but that wouldnt be a list

it would be your custom type

[fleet plume]

concat

[wicked oak]

there is a simple "++" operator

that merges 2 lists

[fleet plume]

["hello", ["world"]]

("hello, ("world"))

ah lisp

[wicked oak]

https://hastebin.com/vepoxewaza.hs

example of my project

this was for a university thing, i kind of went ahead a bit

[fleet plume]

spanish comments

wtf

[wicked oak]

thats from the problem definition

everything i wrote is english

becouse im not an idiot

it is a logic solver

at the end, it even has a FUCKING PARSER that can parse a logic formula and calculate stuff on it

[fleet plume]

you could have used Prolog

just kidding, looks nice

[wicked oak]

this subject is precisely about haskell + prolog

but prolog is like 20% of the subject

thats why the final project is a logic solver

yeah, haskell is super neat

i do find that is highly readable

due to its syntax

but when writing it, its kind of a fucking pain due to the purity

having to recurse EVERYTHING gets really old

[fleet plume]

as long as you keep IO/impure at the borders of your program you're good

that program is a bit hard to grasp though

[wicked oak]

--combines an array into multiple pairs. Does not detect reversed pairs
combine_pairs :: Eq b => [b] -> [(b, b)]
combine_pairs xs = [ (a,b) | a <- xs, b<- xs, a /= b]

this function combines an array into all its pair combinations

[fleet plume]

probably because i'm not good in haskell and it's a wall of text

[wicked oak]

becouse i use " a/= b"

haskell infers that i need to use a "Eq" type

so this function automatically works with ANYTHING as long as it implements ==

its like absolutely everything is a template function, wich is sweet

[fleet plume]

it gets hard though when you want to work on something like ECS components

that could be anything really

as least that was my limited experience

[wicked oak]

well, an ECS system can be implemented as a "map" over an array of components that returns another array of components

i would expect Tuples instead tho

but yeah, no one in their right mind should use haskell for a game

haskell is for algorithmic problems/math. I think using it for a simulation such as a game is just retarded

specially a game

[fleet plume]

i don't agree with that

[wicked oak]

the purity stuff can really get in the way of games, i think