look up Snapdragon 821
#virtual-reality
mighty carbon
dusky moon
oh well :)) so it's a bit better than Gear
mighty carbon
but the also look at pixel / 2D / Minecraft games that people play on their overpowered PCs and PS4..
Gear is a piece of plastic
dusky moon
I mean Gear on S8 lets say
mighty carbon
Gear VR + Note 4 isn't the same as Gear VR + galaxy S9
between S7 and S8, Go is closer to S8 with better thermals
You can play Doom 3 on S8 with dynamic lighting
So I am pretty sure someone could make high quality visuals game for Go (not with full dynamic lighting of course)
dusky moon
hmmm... I'm not sure how Go will perform in terms of consumer adoption . to me, when I own a Gear and Gear supported phone ... I wouldn't mind buying Go
that means mostly everyone who already own the Gear rig ( 5 millions or so ?!) might not be interested
mighty carbon
Well, I own Gear VR with S6 and I can tell you how much I hate plugging and unplugging the phone, not to mention all the notifications I receive
so Go will solve this for me
dusky moon
yeah but do you need that much VR consumption every day ?! tbh
mighty carbon
again, if there were games I play, I would play it as much as I play them on PC
plus, I'd rather watch Netflix in VR
(I don't do it on the phone because I need to keep my phone healthy for the phone's sake)
dusky moon
hmm yeah for that it makes sense kind of. for me, besides dev stuff... the only reason I would like to get into VR currently is to play some Echo Arena or randomly hang out in RecRoom
mighty carbon
that being said, VR just needs more games (or rather variety and deeper games, like on PC / consoles)
dusky moon
Indeed ... that's what we're all waiting for
mighty carbon
make it happen! 😉
dusky moon
Indies unite! 😄
sells 100 unit on steam lol
that soft porn shit is still messing up my mind
mighty carbon
lol
I don't think Oculus would let anyone sell any explicit content, which is too bad
and not being featured on Oculus store equals low sales
dusky moon
yea but. put it on itchio ... wankers will find lol
mighty carbon
I wonder if MS will let XB1X work with WMR systems
dusky moon
that would be sick!
considering that porting wo WMR from Rift/Vive can be smooth and ez
but Windows Store is so boring
sturdy coral
windows mr controller tracking seems a lot better after the april update
it fucked up my bluetooth at first but finally got it working again
real needle
@sturdy coral I just returned my Oddyssey because the controller tracking wasn't good enough for me
It worked fine at my office, but I brought it to a game jam and it was terrible
sturdy coral
It still has the problems when it goes out of field of view, but it just seems a lot smoother after the update
I still want to get my Vive controllers working with it
@real needle you think at the game jam it was optical interference with other LEDs and stuff, or wifi interfering with bluetooth?
real needle
It could have been either
I never had an issue with the lighthouses at my office
And I'm in a corner with big windows
mighty carbon
Twitter
re: about sideloading
@full junco vulkan slides are here https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/resources?
and there was a big merge for rendering, including Vulkan goodies
sturdy coral
so only sideloading through dev tools, seems like it will be impossible to have third party stores
granite jacinth
@sturdy coral heh, I am surprised you would think they would allow you to do that
It's Facebook
sturdy coral
believe me I knew they wouldn't, but they always claimed it was samsung that forced it, not them
sturdy coral
I can't point to one, because there can't be one =/
on android there are several third party stores (amazon, etc.)
sturdy coral
they can't, I think daydream locks them out the same
mighty carbon
why do you want to side load ?
you can upload builds into your own branch, add people who can access those
sturdy coral
each has to register as an oculus developer
sturdy coral
you mean the store keys thing? or signing for their device?
mighty carbon
people I added to my project automatically had my app popping up in their Home
sturdy coral
your app was distributed through the oculus store though right?
mighty carbon
no signing devices, no keys
no
it was a way before I even got it on the Store (before submission process)
sturdy coral
ah ok, I guess I don't understand
you mean like the the equivalent of a steam app id?
and instead of giving out keys you can add usernames?
mighty carbon
for example, if I am Oculus dev and I have an app I uploaded to my dev "repo", I can add you to my "repo" and you'll automatically get access to the latest build
you don't have to be Oculus dev, just a user
right
sturdy coral
you still have to go through an oculus store repo then
mighty carbon
except user e-mails now, for better security
just like you have to go through Steam
sturdy coral
yeah but you can use other stores
you don't have to go through steam
when I download an itch game
no steam
mighty carbon
lol, what does it have to do with Steam then ?
sturdy coral
from what you said it seem similar to a steam repo
mighty carbon
I am talking about side loading apps as something you make for a client and they don't want it public in the store
not getting apps made for Android and running them in Oculus Go
sturdy coral
ok yeah, but it still is distributed through their store infrastructure
and is a centralized point of censorship
mighty carbon
but so is Steam App
sturdy coral
you can distribute apps off of steam
mighty carbon
if I am a Steam dev and I have App ID, that's the only place you (as a person I added to my depot/App ID) can get access to it
sturdy coral
no, you can put it on itch
sturdy coral
you yourself have talked here about wanting to avoid reviews
and to distribute it on your own
mighty carbon
then why deal with Steam at all?
sturdy coral
because all the users are there, but you can still sell it other places
and you can distribute it yourself without being tied to steam distribution only
mighty carbon
well, you can sell Go apps on Xiaomi in China
granite jacinth
You can just use Steam for keys
mighty carbon
can you sell PS4 apps anywhere else? No
sturdy coral
exactly, oculus go is similar to a console/ps4
mighty carbon
they already closed that loophole
granite jacinth
Have all the nice advantages of Steam
sturdy coral
even though they said the only reason for the lockdown of gear was because of samsung
mighty carbon
because maybe they have a deal with Steam.. I don't know
for all I know devs abused the system and Valve stopped letting them do so
maybe special deal.. Who knows
sturdy coral
I don't care if oculus doesn't allow you sell keys though, I want the ability to load apps and sell apps without going through their store at all
selling keys puts a burden on them to distribute it and pay for bandwidth, etc.
mighty carbon
I don't think so.. Look at what happen to Steam
vblanco is a great example - didn't make much on Steam, made a ton on PS4
sturdy coral
basically all new computing platforms are following iOS and consoles
even android is getting closer to iOS now
mighty carbon
so I'd rather have console deal than Steam deal (used to be other way around, but not today)
sturdy coral
windows and desktop linux are about the only platforms left
mighty carbon
if I want to make some pr0n game for Go, then I am out of luck I suppose
sturdy coral
or if you want to play one
mighty carbon
otherwise, it should be ok for violent games and maybe even ecchi stuff
mighty carbon
as a consumer, I don't really care about locked or unlocked device as long as good games are there
Look at Linux - in 2010 it was proclaimed to kill Windows (as gaming platform). Valve decided to even build Steam Machines and Steam OS and at the end of the day, it's still a (tiny) niche platform most don't even care for
digital marlin
most consumers don't give a shit. The path of least resistance to getting them what they want.
sturdy coral
MS backed off on the most aggressive parts of UWP, and with it being less of a threat, Valve pretty much pulled resources off of the linux effort
mighty carbon
I wonder when 4.20pre1 is going to show up
sturdy coral
Oculus Go didn't make it on r/games even on launch day =/
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon other headsets without AAA games made it to r/games on launch
mighty carbon
It was a big deal back then
bigger deal that is
plus a lot of conventional gamers hate VR
I guess it's a generational thing
Go has been taken apart
mighty carbon
so, is anyone getting Go besides vblanco ?
daring mural
yeah in like a month or so
digital marlin
Yeah I am
uneven phoenix
Alright, I'm having an issue with the widget interaction component on my left Motion controller. I can click things, but hovering doesn't really work.
deft badge
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon nice, it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to relocate the battery (for better weight distribution), or expand it
cosmic shoal
Apple rejects our apps randomly, if we ever submit it for review it gets rejected again. But if we change the id number and submit it again it usually gets accepted.
dusky moon
screen door effect alert !
abstract forum
AAAAAHHHHHHH!
wintry escarp
does the go have a sideload facility, or oculus store only?
mighty carbon
🙄
In what context do you mean "sideload" @wintry escarp ?
can you load apps privately (so it only shows up for certain people) - yes, if you are Go dev. Can you download any app from the Net and run on Go - no.
jaunty shell
is it me or the Dell headset has a really trashy screen compared to say, the vive ? 😐
slender scroll
Hey guys, has anyone more info on arkit (apple ar). Theres still no documentation about it or info anywhere. Just a short video that explains the template. Instead of placing objects i want to have it placed on a specific point right away. How do i do that? :(
dusky moon
@jaunty shell I only have vive and rift. but tried my vive after months and it felt super trashy with tons of screen door effect. So I'm feeling bad if Dell is trashy compared to vive
jaunty shell
screen door is a thing on all HMDs, but man LCD screen sure lack punchyness
mighty carbon
@jaunty shell apparently Go's screen is the best (when running it at 72Hz)
jaunty shell
I don't understand why we're aiming for sub 90fps now that we've seen that it kinda is a golden standard
60fps with interp (psvr) looks alright when you don't move too much
but 60/75 will get you a lot of ghosting 😦
mighty carbon
no ghosting on Go
and 72Hz creates 20% more power drain + 20% performance cost compare to 60Hz. That's why for now mobile VR isn't going into 90Hz territory
wicked oak
@jaunty shell no ghosting cous low persistence (but flickers)
the flicker is real in gearvr at 60
i guess its better on go at 72
the reason it doesnt do like psvr, wich is 60 fps and timewarps to 120, is just due to power
and well, i guess bigger gpu needed and all of that
jaunty shell
well, my thought was, LCD looks abysmally bad compared to oled/amoled in terms of contrast
glossy agate
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uploadvr.com/beat-saber-enters-steams-top-5-sellers-less-24-hours/amp/ this games killing it already
wicked oak
it deserves it
mighty carbon
if it was a sword and not a lightsaber, I think it wouldn't get on top
dusky moon
is it UE ?!
wicked oak
unity
glossy agate
Yeah it’s the most played VR game right now. I gotta check it out and see what the hype is. I havnt really played any beat games.
sly elk
Question for the vive folks. How many people use the grip buttons for pickup vs the trigger?
wicked oak
@glossy agate its worth the hype
but i think 10 songs is too low
luckily, they are great. And they are working on a beatmap editor
so community makes other songs
glossy agate
Yeah they said they are making more, and gonna let people make their own songs
wicked oak
cant wait to do Through the Fire and the Flames in beatsaber and become a helicopter
glossy agate
Audio shield was huge, so it’s not too suprising this got big. Just didn’t expect 5 hours in they shooting to the top of the best sellers haha. Good for them
glossy agate
Hahaha. For sure. They have that song?
wicked oak
no they dont, but would be one of the first songs to be added
audioshield is autogenerated
you play any song and it generates a beatmap
but its AI generated so its shit
mighty carbon
@sly elk depends on whether it's Vive or Oculus user
on Oculus grip buttons are for gripping. It's ingrained into user from the moment (s)he grabs Touch controllers for the first time
and it feels natural
sly elk
I need my trigger for power tool operation
mighty carbon
I heard that Vive's wand grip buttons aren't comfortable to use
sly elk
just wondering how many vive users are expecting to use the trigger for grab
wicked oak
trigger for grab is super common in vive
tired tree
if it is a toggled grip its fine, holding = nono
wicked oak
the grip button tends to be for snap grip
mighty carbon
tired tree
that is SUPER limited....
sly elk
okay. so if i have to use the grip buttons, then toggle grip for vive?
Is there a demo out there I can grab that shows quality 6dof VR video?
because I have heard about it from the yi google camera but never been able to try it
sturdy coral
@sly elk not video, but did you try out the Google light field demo?
sly elk
nope, i'll check it out
mighty carbon
F8, day 2
Santa Cruz
my lunch is over and they are going to show some tech later 😦
sturdy coral
that looks pretty sweet, no mention of resolution though?
mighty carbon
nah
they said Santa Cruz info will be revealed later (this year?)..So I assume not whole a lot of info is available on CV2
sturdy coral
santa cruz really needs to be a hybrid of standalone and PC
mighty carbon
I am guessing at this point they are working on wider FOV, variable focus and hand/feet tracking via reconstruction. Plus maybe gloves (seen in the filled patent not too long ago). Screen resolution isn't something on top of the priority list.
sturdy coral
where it can be used (maybe wireless with 60ghz stuff) with your pc, or taken mobile
but I guess that would jack up the price
mighty carbon
cuz you can just grab best screen next year and have 4k per eye
wicked oak
yall forgetting about the glove tracking
soft glove with white balls, basically a mocap glove
AI reconstruction to know wich marker is for wich finger
perfect inside out tracking, more robust and precise than a leap motion
mighty carbon
there were no gloves on the person's hands when they showed hand tracking
wicked oak
yeah, i saw that later...
its gloveless. leap motion style
the mocap was to train the AI
dusky moon
any clues on what gpu would be on Santa Cruz ?! I'm confused as they mentioned it's a High-end untethered VR ... how High-end is the question ...
tbh I'd rather use/dev for Rift with cables if high-end for SantaCruz gonna mean PSVR ish
sturdy coral
it was a mobile SoC when they've showed it before, but it could end up being something more powerful
even though they showed some desktop looking apps like some stuff from Dreamdeck, it was ported to mobile
wicked oak
santa cruz seems to be high end and console-like
maybe a tegra?
that would be damn awesome
sly elk
hand orientation on the vive and rift feels totally different from the way the controllers fit your hand
tired tree
yeah you have to adjust for it
mighty carbon
gloveless tracking + Touch would be sooo cool!
wintry escarp
sideload == could I just give away a VR on torrents and they can play it on their Oculus Go
+game
mighty carbon
why would it be equal Vive Pro ?
Fb/Oculus is after mass market
HTC is after enterprise market and early adopters with deep pockets
mighty carbon
lol
granite jacinth
Guess we'll have to see when specs/price come out
One of them needs to compete on that level
Well, maybe not needs, but probably wants
mighty carbon
if SC uses 845 SoC, in no way it will be equal to Vive Pro.. Hell, even if it uses Tegra it won't be
mighty carbon
HalfDome is Rift CV2, IMO.. So it should be better than Vive Pro in many ways
SC wins
mighty carbon
wintry escarp
i expected eye tracking on v2
mighty carbon
while resolution is something we all want to be better, I think SC beats Focus with 6DoF controllers alone
and lenses of course
dusky moon
agreed. 6DoF is big deal
but I'm feeling sad for Google ... I mean cmon daydream no one talks about it lol
glossy agate
yeah I forgot that existed till you just brought it up
mighty carbon
on the subject of Daydream vs Go https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/991390384491184128
Twitter
I've heard that phones overheat crazy with Daydream and support for devs from Google is horrible (a way worse than from Oculus)
dusky moon
aside from hardware, content wise Daydream feels dead
Oculus is doing great job on scaling it's contents
mighty carbon
plus I guess they couldn't convince a lot of smartphone makers to have Daydream support built-in
(hardware support that is)
dusky moon
yep, I'm curious to see how much they insist on Daydream ... cuz google is good at letting go of their own branches
mighty carbon
I wonder if Samsung will drop Gear VR in the nearest future
I wouldn't buy Gear VR for S10 (if I get one anyway) since there is Go and Santa Cruz is coming soon
mighty carbon
at this point it actually makes more sense to get cheaper smartphone since I don't need Gear VR
dusky moon
but standalones also are perfect for location based and VR festivals in general
before they had to pay 600-700 bucks for each Gear unit
from the vibe and reviews , I'm getting positive on Go ... seems like a good transition
But I really want to see that day when 6DoF becomes standalone
that means ppl start to learn new Spatial UX and less confused
sly elk
" varifocal lenses work with software and hand tracking to determine when something is close to your face in VR"
so no eye tracking in that prototype
if they are expending the development effort to guess what should be in focus without eye tracking, odds are they think eye tracking won't make it into CV2
sturdy coral
the proximity sensor finally works on WMR via steamvr
not sure if it is in the main branch, I'm on a beta branch
jaunty shell
@sturdy coral is there a way to disable the launcher from MWR (the steamvr house clone) when pressing the home button btw ?
and use steamvr as the default "launcher"
sturdy coral
not that I know of
jaunty shell
argh
sturdy coral
same as oculus, with subsidized headsets they want to feature their platform stuff
though oculus may have some kind of kiosk/arcade mode to at least disable it when running demos, not sure
jaunty shell
oh well
sturdy coral
just hacked in WMR joystick support.. has huge deadzone issues
it is a PITA that they don't handle deadzone detection for you.. have the same problem with Touch but at least there you can detect it with cap touch
mighty carbon
hmm.. Epic now has dev-mobile branch, but no dev-vr branch 😦
alpine torrent
@sturdy coral you have your Win10 dev machine in april update already
as in with build 17134 windows sdk you get C++/WinRT apis from UWP to use so you can use WMR apis in UE4
real needle
Anyone got AO working in forward renderer with dynamic lights?
Not sure if it's disabled or if I don't know how to set it up
mossy echo
Hey question for working in the ue4 VR editor, has anyone been able to edit splines in there? cheers
sly elk
Some new features: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG91qSeO9N
linear parts slide into place on a track and will be sucked down into their install locations if you get them close, added a 'nutrunner
'nutrunner' to the ratchet that will zip up and down bolts but stop as soon as it hits any torque
also pickup object smoothing
alpine kiln
I finally got it released! I've been working on a VR recreation of a former attraction in Disneyland, Adventure Thru Inner Space, and it's now done. If you wnt to try it, go to, http://bit.ly/DHI_ATISvr .
mighty carbon
mighty carbon
it's sooo dead today here, and it's not even Friday
robust orbit
this is the end of VR
mighty carbon
nooooooooooo 🙀
@robust orbit do you guys have anything cool, like VR-cool, coming in 4.20 or 4.21 ?
sly elk
hey guys, any advice for switching between vive and rift?
right now it seems like I have to reboot my machine between headset swaps for thins to work correctly
real needle
@jaunty shell Left thumbstick down opens steamvr on windows MR controllers
soft beacon
Does anyone have an Oculus Go headset yet? Trying to get device ID, but adb says unauthorized, any ideas?
nvm, got it
wintry escarp
how does it compare to a gearvr on an s7?
soft beacon
@wintry escarp i havent experience lag yet, but not really any 3D games. Havent pushed a build yet either, I will report. Great screen resolution, love the controller, simple to use, and lightweight
mighty carbon
@wintry escarp Go is between S7 and S8, closer to S8 supposedly
granite jacinth
@sly elk just disable plugin or Oculus service
mighty carbon
so, when is 4.20p1 going to come out?
mighty carbon
you know what I've been wondering about? If F:BR has no AI, what does lead AI dev at Epic do ?!
granite jacinth
...Fortnite?
mighty carbon
Is Fortnite still being played? o.O
lol, I already forgot that I'd have to buy Fortnite to get Fortnite BR 😃
ooh, I guess I don't have to (just checked the website)
just feels like there aren't really any big single player projects at Epic and yet I don't see any AI goodies on the roadmap
wicked kite
does any one have any good vr news sites that are worthy of a read
mighty carbon
oh hi @wicked kite
daring mural
doesn't the AI dev at Epic work on engine-related AI shit?
mighty carbon
@wicked kite roadtovr.com, uploadvr.com and r/oculus is what I read..
@daring mural yeah, supposedly 😃
wicked kite
thank you @mighty carbon
jaunty shell
@real needle oh, good to know !
eternal inlet
tired tree
@jaunty shell yeah that has been in progress for 3 versions now
you can actually enable the plugin post 4.18
wicked oak
oculus branch has an implementation of it
jaunty shell
neat, so its like a spectator screen V2 ?
wicked oak
its just spectator screen
but with the possibility of using a greenscreen to composite and stuff
wicked oak
but due to how unreal renders things, its BEYOND expensive
jaunty shell
argh
wicked oak
a very simple picture in picture will automatically make you go below 90
tired tree
and a full compositor setup
wicked oak
on simple cases
tired tree
its automated
basically takes all of the work out of MR views
they also mask out things to help speed it up a bit
sly elk
So baked area lights and dynamic unshadowed area lights
didn't area lights bake before?
dynamic unshadowed area lights will be cool
jaunty shell
I'm not even sure we had area lights in engine even
sly elk
you could do emissive cards for area lights
jaunty shell
yeah but that ain't an area light, that's a fake :p
sly elk
and I think there were area lights with distance field shadows
wintry escarp
anyone here played thumper?
mighty carbon
hmm.. I don't think 4.20p1 is coming any time soon - massive amount of unresolved issues are on tracker 😦
jaunty shell
@wintry escarp I did, awesome game
but the VR adaptation isn't scaled properly, everything feels a bit small
harsh cedar
anyone happen to know if theres a way to "launch in standalone" in VR?
wicked oak
UPS lost my oculus go
they say adress not valid
i see adress, everything is fine
they cant read?
fucking idiots
alpine kiln
My Oculus Go arrived yesterday. Engadgets review pretty much nails it, but they don't mention being limited to 3-axis, where I'm used to 6-axis. People will wonder why they can't lean forward, but it runs really well. I'll try doing a few builds this weekend, and see if I can get it going!
tired tree
its advertised everywhere as 3 axis?
I haven't seen anyone forget to mention that
wow no, you are right
they specifically didn't
that is one hell of an omission for people that don't know better
mighty carbon
lol, it's been known since day one that Go is 3DoF
http://theweek.com/articles/770978/why-oculus-cant-save-vr << what kind of people write these articles ?! o.O
"First, there are obvious practical troubles like being unaware of what is going on around you without the normal benefit of peripheral vision or hearing." << who cares, 99% of people will use it home or in a safe environment.
granite jacinth
that was like two days ago
wicked oak
if you put it on google
it works fine
how the fuck can they be so much of a fucking idiot they cant even google it
its not like its the first time oculus has sent me something...
glossy agate
Its been known to developer and super enthusiasts that it would be 3 DOF. A regular consumer probably wouldn't until they bought it
mighty carbon
alpine kiln
@glossy agate Most of the people I put into a head set have no idea what DOF is. Now I'll need to explain what is different. Of course, most sites that are talking about it are geek related, so we understand this!
@granite jacinth Ordered it from Amazon on Wed. right after the announcement.
mighty carbon
@alpine kiln since you are here, you should know quite a lot about VR.. Otherwise you wouldn't be here 😉
obtuse spruce
@Lawrence#1337 I haven’t found a way to get a VR project to run in standalone, but I’m running 4.16.3. Not sure if they fixed that yet or not.
mighty carbon
why would Newegg have eBay account if they sell directly from their website ?!
Something is fishy
btw, AMA with dev relation folks at Oculus about Oculus Go just started on Oculus Dev forums
@wicked oak ^^
sturdy coral
is there any way to export the WMR controller model? (export the runtime mesh)
daring mural
@sturdy coral Could use one of those DX rippers if you just want the mesh. Might even rip the textures. Assuming you're allowed to use the controller models from WMR
wicked oak
no need
sturdy coral
I just want it to align some things
wicked oak
renderdoc has that feature
and unreal supports renderdoc
you can export a renderdoc mesh
any drawcall
mighty carbon
where do you get the model of WMR controller in UE4?
is the the same place as Gear VR / Rift controllers ?
(in MotionController component)
sturdy coral
Yeah, motion controller component creates it at runtime in 4.19
mighty carbon
well, all I did was to select my Gear VR mesh in the motion controller component, then click magnifying glass and find it in the Engine Content, which I then exported as FBX
Is the choice for WMR controller model not present there ?
daring mural
wait, what controller meshes does UE4 have? Rift and Vive both?
mighty carbon
I know it has Touch and Gear VR
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon no, oculus implements the mesh thing in 4.19 by having a mesh in the oculus plugin content folder
There are Vive and rift meshes in an engine content folder too, as part of the VR editor stuff
But not windows mr
mighty carbon
I see
sturdy coral
And different wmr headsets apparently have soightly different meshes
At least Samsung Odyssey controller is a little different from the others
real needle
Is there a complete hardware solution for wireless display tech? I'm not looking to stream image to an HMD, but from a backtop to a wireless monitor. However I don't want to deal with miracast or any other software, I want it to behave like I'm connecting a wired monitor in terms of setup
My google fu turned up plenty of solutions, but most use miracast or some other kind of software (or computer's own wifi)
My hopes was also that since it would be a hardware solution, there wouldn't be any problems with the HMD
mighty carbon
what do you plan on doing with it?
sly elk
Does the vive have any kind of on your face sensor like the rift?
glossy agate
Yes I think so. I never used it for anything before thiugh
It’s right up between the lenses. That oval bit
sturdy coral
@sly elk yes, but unreal doesn't use it properly
you have to modify the plugin source a good bit to get responsive use of it
and it didn't work with WMR via steamvr until recently, not sure if that is everywhere yet or only on the wmr for steamvr beta
if I remember right it will use it to activate the headset, but not to deactivate it by default (for vive, oculus and wmr through steamvr)
sly elk
Okay. For simplicity I think we will use a keyboard button to toggle VR to screen mode
so its the same on all platforms
glossy agate
Yeah rec room I think is the only game I know of that uses it for vive at least
daring mural
In 4.19, what would be the equivalent of 100 SR in previous versions? I tried PD at 1 and SR at 70 but getting lower FPS than before. Lowering PD but keeping SR at 100 = even lower FPS
sturdy coral
@daring mural pd 1.0 == 140 screen percentage in the old system on vive, 130 on rift (with some caveats, vertical and horizontal have different scaling factors there), ~120 on WindowsMR
@daring mural are you sure steamvr itself isn't set to supersample? They updated so that it automatically pixel a higher baseline supersampling if you have a strong GPU around the same time as unreal changed over
steam also calculates theirs differently, the number is proportional to the number of pixels there, where unreal it is relative to the pixels in one dimension, sqrt of total number of pixels
with new steamvr it ups me to 130% based on my GPU, so PD 1.0 on new unreal is the equivalent of sqrt(1.3)*140 = screepercentage 160 on old unreal with old steamvr
daring mural
@sturdy coral Do I need to do anything to enable dynamic res? Because when I'm using stat unit it says it's 'OFF'
dusky moon
Just looked at new Oculus Software changes (v 1.26) and wondering what exactly this means :
Graphics: improved performance across all applications.
sturdy coral
@daring mural it isn't supported stock but you can pass in frame timing from OpenVR api and make it work
fleet plume
seems like they're shipping to devs worldwide now
wonder if you have to pay the full price for it
mighty carbon
If you are renown indie dev and have money to pay for it - you get it free. If you are a small dev and on a shoestring budget - you have to pay for it.
fleet plume
haha perfect metaphor for life
dusky moon
@mighty carbon lol 100% agreed
wintry escarp
that's how everything works
fleet plume
according to that article developers get EUR 200 rebate
though i wonder who that HMD is for
at EUR 600-650 it's totally overpriced for consumers
sturdy coral
maybe portable archviz demos, but seems underpowered for that
fleet plume
idk if they're pre-rendered it could work
sturdy coral
WMR seems like the best thing for that right now, except only the odyssey has adjustable IPD
mighty carbon
that's if you have $$$
wicked oak
lul
only developers can buy that thing, and its not even that useful to devs
due to the 3dof hand controller
its not like you can try to "emulate" santacruz before having one
sturdy coral
main thing is without positional some people get instantly sick
but there isn't much reason to buy it over the mirage solo for that
wicked oak
yes. But the mirage solo is also useless
daydream library is a total joke
the only ones who actually have a library are Steam, PSVR, and Oculus
sturdy coral
yeah, just hardware wise I'm thinking of all of those as oculus DK2 vs DK1
until we get positional hand tracking I don't think any are great for VR gaming
it is cool, but it doesn't overcome the downsides of isolation etc. until you get to hand tracking
wicked oak
i might try to port DWVR to santacruz
i think it should be possible
but of course i would need to go ham on the mesh optimization
fleet plume
i'am more and more starting to like the feature set and price of the Oculus Go
dat sweet spot
hmm, maybe i should stick a vive sensor on the Go to have cordless 6dof tracking with it
mighty carbon
well, people said controller on MIrage Solo is horrible
also, when you are seated and use Gear VR / Go, you won't get sick
(even when you stand, but a lot of people try moving around when they physically stand in VR)
sturdy coral
some people will, even seated you make small head movements that aren't reflected in VR
they can usually learn to hold their head really still, and close their eyes when shifting around though
but they don't have to with positional
just read all the reviews at the time comparing DK2 to DK1, it is close to a perfect analogy for the differences in these, except DK2 wasn't much more expensive than DK1
mighty carbon
I am pretty sensitive to motion sickness and small movements really don't do anything to me (maybe in Cardboard I felt a bit off, even when rotating in the swivel chair, but not in Gear VR). Although I am sure there are even more sensitive people than me.
chilly ocean
Has anyone had problems regarding VR in 4.19?
For me, the frame rate dips to 1-30 FPS (depending on the computer) in maps that are usually around 45-50 FPS
sturdy coral
@chilly ocean are you using steamvr?
chilly ocean
Nah, using Oculus, but using the Steam subsystem
sturdy coral
ah ok, cause steamvr updated around the time 4.19 came out to add additional supersampling
not sure what could be causing it for oculus
@chilly ocean are you touching pixeldensity/screenpercentage?
chilly ocean
@sturdy coral No, I left it as default at 1, but when I tried changing it to be higher, it halved the frame rate even more lol
sturdy coral
pixeldensity 1.0 on oculus in 4.19 is about the equivalent of screenpercentage 130 on oculus in 4.18 and below
fleet plume
does anybody know which application/framework google used for creating the Youtube VR app?
wicked oak
@mighty carbon read the prices
its completely ridiculous
so expensive you are better buying an actual mocap rig
50 dollars
for 1.5 minutes of animation
tell me that isnt completely retarded
thats almost so expensive you are better hiring a freelance to do the goddamn animations
fleet plume
@wicked oak did you get your oculus yet? and what did you pay in EUR including S&H?
fleet plume
wow that's fast
fleet plume
looking at the 32gb version from amazon.com for 228 including taxes and shipping
wicked oak
i think they just had too much work and decided to not even try
fleet plume
UPS is just weird sometimes
though they're super fast normally
looking forward to your "review"
i currently have a daydream with a pixel 2 xl and e.g. the god rays are pretty bad
wonder how the Go compares to that
wicked saffron
@real needle hey
quartz hamlet
hey there
i recently got the oculus rift
i was wondering if there are any good tuts out thre with getting started in vr dev
daring mural
@quartz hamlet It's a good idea to look at the default VR template and strongly recommend you use MordenTral's VRExpansion plugin as a starting point. It'll teach you a lot. I'm assuming you've used UE4 for non-VR stuff already. There are also lots of video tuts, forum threads and docs on almost any problem you run into
quartz hamlet
@daring mural I assume his plugin supports the rift and it's controllers?
quartz hamlet
seems pretty cool I'll check it out thank you
mighty carbon
@quartz hamlet https://docs.unrealengine.com/en-us/Platforms/VR
quartz hamlet
hmm @mighty carbon ?
mighty carbon
weren't you asking for good tutorials ?
quartz hamlet
yeah I'm aware of the documentation, just want some more resources
mighty carbon
youtube has a good search functionality 😉
although I haven't really found good tutorials when I started with VR. So documentation was plenty enough to get started
quartz hamlet
I'm aware of YouTube's great search functionality ;p just want to see what people recommend for tuts
sly elk
I'm still on 4.17.2 but plan to update to 4.20 if its stable. Aside from the newer pixel density controls, anything useful for VR in the last few versions?
mighty carbon
I dare @sly elk to ask someone from EPIC STAFF section on the right side bar 😉
sly elk
lol no
wicked oak
first impressions of Go
thing is light and very confortable
lenses are clearly superior to rift
still some glare, but its less than vive and rift
a lot less
screen looks good in resolution, still has some screendor effect
this one in a very clear grid pattern becouse LCD not pentile
audio is a LOT better than i ever expected it to be
cosmic shoal
how about brightness? My main gripe with the Lenovo LCD
wicked oak
its fine
cosmic shoal
The Lenovo is amazing for the price, but the screen on the vive was noticeably brighter.
fleet plume
thanks for review
cosmic shoal
I feel like the Go is stuck between generations. (early adopter gen and ready for mass market polished gen) So I don't expect it to do too well, but what do I know said the same thing about iPads when they came out.
wicked oak
the lenovo is a complete joke, just like Daydream itself
hardware doesnt matter if you have nothing for software
cosmic shoal
The price is right but without tracked controllers, it's very limited what you can do in VR on this gen of stand alones.
mighty carbon
@wicked oak does PSVR have SDE ?
cosmic shoal
I did see it on the one I tried, but yeah it is somehow not as noticeable
mighty carbon
but then why Go has SDE, since both use RGB panel
wicked oak
no diffuser
cosmic shoal
on WMR is also not as noticeable as on the Vive. but I'm guessing that is because of the higher rez and lower brightness.
mighty carbon
interesting https://www.roadtovr.com/oculus-research-becomes-facebook-reality-labs-creating-faster-leaps-ar-vr/
cosmic shoal
leaps? interesting choice of words
mighty carbon
@wicked oak I bet diffuser degrafes visuals in some ways
cosmic shoal
the PSVR looks really good for the resolution it has. Not sure how they acomplished that.
I'm guessing a combination of things, like good lenses, well thought out reproyection techniques etc.
sly elk
I haven't worked on a console game in over year and am out of the loop on new hardware. THere is a ps5 coming soonish, right? Anyone know if sony is pushing VR for it?
console VR that is at least as capable as the PC recommended spec would be great
wicked oak
@sly elk ill know in a few days
sly elk
cool
mighty carbon
wicked oak
pure speculation
ill just say that as a ps4 dev we have zero info about ps5
literally zero
only the top tier devs (such as epic) even know something
mighty carbon
but, it makes sense that it's not going to be released sooner than 2020
wicked oak
not sure
i see it in 2019
people are already getting prototype devkits (top tier devs)
im pretty damn sure that secret Quail platform in UE4 is actually ps5 prototype
sly elk
Yeah, if actual dev kits are out (and not just a hardware spec) its probably 2019
When I started working on the order 1886 it was the end of 2011 and there weren't actual dev kits for a while
wicked oak
you worked on order 1886?
sly elk
yeah, for about 2 years. prop art
wicked oak
did you use scan stuff there?
order 1886 had awesome materials and models all around. i read some articles about their material layering workflow
sly elk
no, just modelling
i didn't touch materials, that was in house. Just a lot of polygon modeling and zbrush work
thats probably 80% of the work I did for them (but also low res and bakes)
sly elk
yeah
mighty carbon
I wish that game came out on PC too
sly elk
though their art pipeline was to sculpt a ton of micro texture so the texture work was heavily based on the sculpt
which is something I have carried forward, when possible I try and sculpt as much surface information as I can
wicked oak
for the bakes, no?
sly elk
Yeah. So like on this grenade I sculpted in teh brushed metal pattern:
and that made it into a mask for the bake
sly elk
yeah
sly elk
Yeah, totally. This was back before most people were using substance painter also
they had their own pipeline involving mari
and some material inheritance system. I wasn't in house so I never used it. Don't know much about it
But the front load prop art with super detailed sculpts/high poly models is a workflow I love. I make my materials for wrench in just a few minutes
Like this cam angle sensor is just a sculpt/model and it lives on a sheet with ~5 other small parts: http://www.wrenchgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Cas_1.jpg
textures took maybe 25 minutes?
for the whole sheet
wicked oak
damn nice
mighty carbon
@wicked oak anything negative to say about Go ? (compare to Gear VR and assuming Oculus should have learned something and should have done it right in Go)
dusky moon
any1 tried this in ue ?
https://github.com/googlevr/seurat
wicked oak
wow, performance of the Go is legit
one of the games im porting hammers the fuck out of an S7
and needs an s8 to run, and sometimes even lagging in sections
in Go it runs perfect
sly elk
I would love to see some unreal benchmarks and performance guidelines. Raw triangles, just drawcalls, texture memory, and then a realistic application of all of the above
is there any unreal go sample content yet?
sly elk
yep
sly elk
I thinking long term to santa cruz since it will be good for my application
wicked oak
the absolute madman straight up replaced all unreal shaders
sly elk
but i don't expect the draw calls allowed would be that much higher
wicked oak
and created his own
sly elk
probably need to do little self contained modules
sturdy coral
@wicked oak are you using the variable resolution thing?
wicked oak
yes
i have it at medium, i cant see anything
i only know its active becouse during a loadscreen the image freezes and i see the border is lower res
but its invisible
is it possible to send a build to a specific devices?
in oculus
ive patched a game with Go support, but i switched some things that decrease Gear support (such as side panel UI stuff)
sly elk
I hope go sells well and people are into it. Slightly worried that its going to be mostly used for 3d video and people will try it then hate on VR
mighty carbon
on the phone it was easy - load apk, install it, run it and it will open with request to put phone into gear VR
I don't know how it work son Go @wicked oak
primal sky
i realized this place has no marketing and sales channel! you know.. its only 50% of a product but!
In general are you guys putting your VR products up in VR aracades or allowing commercial licenses?
hows it going? have a favourite distributor you work with?
love to hear about it
mighty carbon
#1 usage for Go is going to be pr0n
lol, are people really that dense to not be able to grasp interactions in VR ?!
sly elk
Anyone ever noticed that haptic events need the execution wire to be active the whole time they are running? Unlike a sound which just needs it to be on briefly so it can fire off.
daring mural
Does UE4 PC VR use 2ch audio?
sly elk
2 channel audio?
daring mural
Yeah, I have to enter that info for something and it asks 7.1, 5.1 or 2ch and apparently I was supposed to select 2ch
sly elk
It uses the same audio system as non VR and the vr headsets have stereo speakers.
daring mural
so 5.1 and 2ch both supported?
sly elk
the headset itself doesn't do 5.1
its just two speakers
if you are using a 5.1 system in the room, set your audio device to that output and it will be 5.1
daring mural
Gotcha, thanks
Is anyone here using the VRExpansion plugin with the VR Gun Toolkit plugin?
obtuse spruce
@primal sky We're working on both getting our game in VR arcades (it's already in one that's local to us) and exploring licensing our game for various purposes. We're talking with a local physical therapy clinic, of all places, about licensing a modified version of our game. The main mechanic is super easy to understand and is very physical (it's a climbing game), so they think it might prove to be a fun complement to otherwise boring physical therapy routines.
primal sky
@obtuse spruce neat.. thats a good branch to take.. our studio is about to launch a title focused squarely on VR arcades and I have made a point of getting connected to as many as I can around the world. (about 800 contact points atm) and we are going to really try to go whole hog using the VR arcades as a marketing platform so I am just mining around for experiences.
obtuse spruce
@Irontaxi#1648 That’s a solid strategy. 800 arcades is a pretty huge number; seems like you stand to do well financially.
What about your game makes it so you’re purposefully targeting it at arcades and not consumers? Does it require special hardware to play? Does it have super fancy graphics that can only run on really expensive computers?
daring mural
when I launch in VR mode and it transitions from the Oculus home to my game, the fade in/out is made up of black dots, like a retro screen overlay.. Is this a hardware problem?
once in-game, everything looks sharp as per usual. same with the Oculus home
primal sky
@obtuse spruce to be more specific it's an arcade style game that is perfectly suited to home play but really showcases well in VR arcades. (By design) a simple round can last 10-15 minutes with an experienced player going much deeper into 30min or more in a single round. Also some persistent elements. Leaderboards, collectible commanders and upgrades etc for those who play the game more but at its heart. Its classic arcade.
I'll link the beta here for you guys in a bit
Free to download the demo now. (First 4 sectors)
sturdy coral
@daring mural not sure if oculus has something similar, but steamvr has application hints that tell it to render at a lower resolution during certain situations (this is a separate thing from dynamic res)
Prop_DriverRequestsReducedRendering_Bool and virtual bool ShouldApplicationReduceRenderingWork() = 0;
but that wouldn't explain any black dot effect
obtuse spruce
@primal sky I’d be happy to take a look at your demo. I’m always eager to see what cool new VR things people come up with. Feel free to DM me a link. (Posting project links outside of the works-in-progress channel isn’t allowed.)
spring mirage
So I read here (https://forums.oculusvr.com/developer/discussion/45325/is-start-button-on-a-left-controller-mapped-in-motioncontroller) that the Left Oculus Menu button is mapped to Gamepad Special Right... so I used that for the menu action in my default Oculus control scheme. I just got feedback from an Oculus tester though that this button actually just opens the SteamVR overlay and doesn't do anything in-game. Can anybody explain what's going on here? Is left menu only mappable outside of SteamVR? (I don't have Oculus hardware)
daring mural
@spring mirage I run Steam games with Oculus open instead of SteamVR and the left menu button does nothing, free for mapping. Right menu button takes you to the Oculus menu
I'll do a quick print to double check the mapping
Need a few min to boot up
sonic lake
@spring mirage That button on the left controller is called Start within Oculus and Menu within Unreal. It is not mapped to the Gamepad Special Right as far as I can see in the source code (4.18.3). That is for the center key of the Oculus Remote.
daring mural
I can confirm it's right, I'm on 4.19
SteamVR probably has it mapped to open up their menu, leaving the right controller for the Oculus home menu
Just a theory.
spring mirage
That's bonkers but I guess it makes sense... didn't know you could have SteamVR and Oculus home running at the same time. Guess I'll need to rethink my control scheme.
Sidenote, why in the world aren't there more buttons on motion controllers???
I really wish I just had A/B/X/Y + thumbstick + start button on both hands
elfin notch
I want to convert one of my scenes made in Unreal into VRscene. On of my potential clients is asking if Unreal supports Microsoft VR headsets. I'm at the very beginning with the research but mostly I read that it doesn't support. maybe there are some updates that I don't know about. Any advice or a guideline will be very helpful.
cosmic shoal
I've made simple scenes in unreal using a WMR headset, so it works. I had to add the controller model by hand tho.
elfin notch
What Unreal version you were making the scene?
cosmic shoal
4.18
elfin notch
Great, I have 4.19 so will work for sure?
cosmic shoal
yes
elfin notch
Tnx 😃
cosmic shoal
I just used the default Unreal vr scene and added my geometry. I was able to teleport around (all I needed for the demo)
elfin notch
Will see how it goes.
mighty carbon
last night I was reminded what I hate about UE4
I updated to 4.19.2 and haven't really done anything with my project (that was last week). Last night I opened it and ... my weapon system doesn't work at all. Worked fine in 4.19.1, and it seems that 4.19.2 broke something. I know for a fact that input node in one of the main functions disappeared. Although compiling BP and running project in PIE yields no errors o.O
WTF?!?!?!
primal sky
@elfin notch windows MR headsets work without any needed changes. We use wmr to show off our game outside the studio all the time. Works great
mighty carbon
but hey, who cares about stable non-breaking engine for general public when Fortnite gets Thanos and Avengers in the next update.
elfin notch
@primal sky Happy to hear that. To be honest, this is going to be my first scene that I will convert in VR. I want to know what can I expect 😃
eager pine
Got two geforce 1080ti cards
Connected one with two hdmi, one for htc vive and one for screen. When i try starting steam VR, it gives me a bluescreen with the following error code:
whea_uncorrectable_error
Anyone encountered or knows how to fix this?
Have had a stress test on the pc on 100% on both gpu and cpu at same time, no crash.
Latest drives on graphics card and all other systemware.
Tried memory diagnostics
Tried rolling back drivers
Tried uninstalling both steam vr and all vr related software and reinstall.
Tried running a sfc scan, nothing discovered.
Tried using both graphic cards.
Tried mini display port
Tried display port
wicked oak
@eager pine youor first error is to get 2 cards
SLI doesnt work
so disconect one of them
spring mirage
"Got two geforce 1080ti cards"
god damn
wintry escarp
can you not disable sli in the drivers?
sly elk
Hey can anyone here help me with some details of what steam income reporting looks like? Ideally someone based in the USA. Trying to determine what kind of data they give about things like sales taxes, revenue before they take a cut, etc.
mighty carbon
Gaben will only give you what he thinks you deserve 😈
mighty carbon
@wicked oak "When, if ever, new motion controllers for PSVR 1 are coming?"
wicked oak
alright, i was going to ask something like that myself
so ill ask something
tho if they do say something about psvr 2 or ps5 i wont be able to say anything as its nda-d to hell
mighty carbon
@wicked oak "Is PSVR 1 going to be compatible with PS5?"
ok
how about "Should we expect several more years of life cycle of PSVR even with new console on the horizon ?"
sly elk
Will PSVR2 be bundled with the new console or be another add on?
wicked oak
i can answer that one myeslf @sly elk
addon
ah, this is not a Q&A
its an stream of the talks they are making in USA
pretty nice anyway
the second talk is about PSVR best practises
sony says they are moving their platform to amazon AWS
becouse amazon AWS has a lot of anti DDOS, relability, and scalability features
wicked oak
looks like yes
seeing what they are talking in this devcon, is like last year
no PS5
mighty carbon
meanwhile at Google I/o 2018 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogfYd705cRs
wicked oak
so google is working on JARVIS
i really cant handle the irony
its kind of hilarious
the guy in the sony presentation is bragging about how better they are now on reliability and maintenance
and meanwhile
playstation developer website is down
mighty carbon
lol
mighty carbon
@wicked oak so, nothing interesting from Sony ?
raven halo
polar field
Anyone familiar with Stereo Layers?
polar field
It looks like there's a bug where if you're using animations in the widget, the stereo layer doesn't update
but if I manually move the position of a child widget, it updates correctly
mighty carbon
hmm.. Maybe it is a bug.. I haven't rendered animated UMG widget in stereo layers, only static ones..
mighty carbon
??
did you have Live update turned on (on the stereo layer) ?
AR looks pretty slick on Android P
mighty carbon
hmm.. No VR/AR HMDs at the keynote.. Odd
fringe raptor
Hey quick question my game is working with the VR preview but not when I launch it in standalone any advice?
sturdy coral
@fringe raptor need more details on what happens standalone
sturdy coral
probably, has about the same amount of subpixels
and oled has thicker gaps between the subpixels
and it probably has a narrower FOV
mighty carbon
are you getting Go, @sturdy coral ?
sturdy coral
probably not now that I have gearvr
mighty carbon
what phone?
sturdy coral
note 5
sturdy coral
my note 4 actually plays gearvr videos better, but barely fits in the holder
I don't think it plays games better, and it has less ram than note 5 and Go
daring mural
How heavier are skeletal meshes than static meshes?
sturdy coral
while being animated or with animation tick paused?
sonic lake
For anyone having problems deploying to the Oculus Go, Oculus has just released new adb drivers. Now it works!
dusky moon
Google's keynote made me sure that we'd better consider daydream as deaddream
wicked oak
daydream has allways been a joke
digital musk
@raven halo OMG...how freaking awesome does that look!?!?!?!
Following!
https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/1982222311808800/?action=buy
wicked oak
the fact that absolute trash chinese 5 dollar plastic headsets can count as daydream headsets..
fleet plume
does one need a gear vr to publish to the oculus store or does the go suffice?
wicked oak
anything is valid
but if you only have a go you are going to miss the performance
becouse go is the highest performance of all things
fleet plume
i don't want to buy a samsung phone for ~500 just to properly test gear vr 😛
wicked oak
second hand
sturdy coral
@fleet plume you can get a note 5 for $180 or so
wicked oak
at the moment i have a S6 + gearvr, a S8 + gearvr, and a go
daring mural
@sturdy coral anim tick paused
wicked oak
s6 is second hand lended to me by client
it has a shattered back
guy bought it for 100 dollars
fleet plume
hmm, second hand might be a thing
sturdy coral
ah yeah, getting one that has a bad imei and won't activate
wicked oak
go find ones that are beat up or have their glass back shattered
they will be far cheaper
sturdy coral
you can probably still test gear
wicked oak
after all you just want to test gear
sturdy coral
not sure if they require carrier connection at some point
wicked oak
and for perf tests
you dont even need a gear headset
you can run a gearvr app outside of the headset to test performance
fleet plume
which gear vr version started to have the controller?
iirc the older versions only had gaze-click?
fleet plume
can i require a controller in the oculus store?
sonic lake
Hi. Anyone familiar with the Oculus Go here?
Just got mine and I am playing a bit with it. I don't have experience with mobile development, only with the Rift + Touch. I tried launching an experience but my stereo view is a bit off and I don't get any head tracking. Where should I look?
sonic lake
Ok, I actually don't get a stereo view and I see the touch controls in the view. I assume Unreal believes this is just a mobile device.
I had the wrong project settings. It is working now! 😃 Going on to add the motion controller.
digital musk
is there anyone who can point me the right direction with a tutorial or whatever ...I want to use a grab and pull locomotion mechanic such as inside the VReditor mode in UE4 ...I'm building a thing where I want a miniature version of a level kinda on a table in front of me and want to be able to actually drag the level around. I'd like it to feel as if the level is moving and not my...like in GoogleEarthVR
fleet plume
@sonic lake out of curiosity: are you on the oculus branch of ue4?
oh nevermind i think that was google with daydream 🤔
sonic lake
@fleet plume 4.19.2
fleet plume
thanks, i mixed up vr platforms 😉
sonic lake
Awesome. The tracking of the motion controller is also working properly. I like the Go! 😃
spring mirage
Is there something fancy I need to do to use the oculus face buttons? ie: enable the oculus plugin or something? I'm trying to debug through the internet since I'm a Vive guy. The feedback I got back shows the button mapping strings are correct in the UI but none of the face buttons are working, seems very strange to me
The code looks correct
🤔
sonic lake
@spring mirage They are Facebutton1 and Facebutton2 for A/X and B/Y respecitvely
spring mirage
yeah that's what I've got mapped
no dice. I'm stumped
Oculus plugin is not required though?
sonic lake
I am always running it natively, not through SteamVR, so that plugin is required
I am not sure what happens when you run it through SteamVR, it is possible that the key mapping changes, even if it would be strange
digital musk
not sure if related but earlier Vive games on oculus used to never work correctly with the buttons on Touch
spring mirage
possibly related, if said games were using face buttons i guess
digital musk
can anyone point me to a tutorial for grab and pull locomotion please? Tabletop game where I want to pull the level around in front of me like googleEarthVR does
spring mirage
@digital musk I think you could repurpose the climb locomotion from VRExpansionPlugin
it's kind of unfortunate that you can't just grab the pawn from the VR editor
digital musk
Thanks I will have a look @spring mirage ....exactly, there must be a very simple way to do this if that is how the editor does it
sonic lake
@digital musk Have a look at this: https://youtu.be/XgGGBQc6fVM
In the description there is a link to all Blueprints
spring mirage
@digital musk I think the code is here: https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/blob/8e4560b8c22b309e73ff0ce90377742c3dfe13cc/Engine/Source/Editor/VREditor/VREditorAvatarActor.cpp
But it's not in a pawn, which sucks. The VRExpansionPlugin doesn't do yaw calculation like marco's blueprint so you'd have to do that yourself
digital musk
@sonic lake Thanx, that looks like what I'm after...perfect!
sturdy coral
the A and X buttons on touch aren't accessible from UE4 steamvr unless you modify the engine a bit
@spring mirage
spring mirage
... wait what? why?
sturdy coral
they just map Y and B
spring mirage
so do I just need to enable the oculus plugin?
sturdy coral
steamvr exposes the buttons
just the ue4 steamvr plugin doesn't
same with windows mr joystick
but you can modify things to make it work
--- a/Engine/Plugins/Runtime/Steam/SteamVR/Source/SteamVRController/Private/SteamVRController.cpp
+++ b/Engine/Plugins/Runtime/Steam/SteamVR/Source/SteamVRController/Private/SteamVRController.cpp
@@ -127,7 +127,8 @@ public:
enum Type
{
System,
- ApplicationMenu,
+ ApplicationMenu, // SteamVR menu button, Oculus Touch B/Y buttons
+ OculusTouchAX, // Oculus Touch A/X buttons
TouchPadPress,
TouchPadTouch,
TriggerPress,```@spring mirage
it takes a bit more than that but that's the main place
wicked oak
@spring mirage use the oculus plugin for oculus
if you have both plugins enabled, unreal will load the correct one depending on device
this isnt unity, where having multiple plugins is hell
enable both oculus and vive, and that way you get the best performance in both
SteamVR with oculus doesnt work very well. And you lose a button
sturdy coral
yeah with both on you can also choose at runtime
wicked oak
i just allow unreal to load the correct one by default, works fine (DWVR and vrmultigames)
sturdy coral
with -hmd=steamvr (something like that, can't remember option name)
I was planning on supporting both until modifying Oculus became hard in code since they don't use the real SDK anymore and use some kind of wrapper
spring mirage
this is all very enlightening. thanks
So are menu/B/Y all mapped to the same action in SteamVR? I was seeing some very strange behavior with these buttons. With menu mapped to my menu action and B/Y mapped to reload my tester was able to reload righthand but obviously menu opened the steamVR overlay. But with menu/B/Y all mapped to my menu action all buttons do nothing. Obviously this may be my fault but doing this kind of config works fine on Vive. Getting feedback from my next build is going to take 12+ hours so I'm just trying to get it right
mighty carbon
Gear VR might be dead
Since Samsung said mobile VR failed to resonate with their customers and thus they are switching gears to MR and partnering with Microsoft
sturdy coral
@spring mirage nope, different mappings
mighty carbon
Galaxy X is coming in a different form factor too and there is no new Gear VR on the horizon
sturdy coral
menu in the oculus plugin is the menu button, which is only on one controller. in the steamvr plugin menu is B/Y
if I rememebr right
might be oculus uses gamepad special or something for its menu
in steamvr you can't get to the oculus app menu button even with a patch, because it is reserved as the steamvr system menu
@mighty carbon so galaxy x won't fit?
sturdy coral
that would be interesting, seems like from rumor images it couldn't have good battery life though, just no room for it
sonic lake
The Menu button on the Oculus Left controller is mapped to Gamepad Special Right
spring mirage
yeah that's what I've got mapped. just confused why B/Y would work for one action but not for another
mighty carbon
@sturdy coral also judging by hardware stats, more than 50% of Gear VR users have no controller. Meaning they don't play games on it.
fleet plume
got a link to those stats?
digital musk
this is going off topic, but the s9 was released two months ago....are you really taking form factor rumors seriously?
mighty carbon
@fleet plume check on Oculus Developers portal
@digital musk yeah and it's no secret
fleet plume
@mighty carbon thanks
mighty carbon
np
digital musk
galaxy X is not a successor to the S9, it's an experiment to see how the market will react...the very same "leak" details the S10 in the same form factor (basically) as the S9 and for a release date "as early as January 2019"...a month or two before the X.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/05/06/samsung-galaxy-note9-release-date-galaxy-s10-galaxy-x/#38c675345e7b
mighty carbon
I don't see it, sorry. Why spend $1000 on S10 and then $100 on Gear VR, when one can buy any other phone for less and then get Go for $199, which is going to be better than S10 + Gear VR
Gear VR has been dead for some time
spring mirage
i'm completely talking out of my ass here but I'd imagine 60-80% of mobile VR users are just checking it out for lulz or using it for porn. I've yet to see a worthwhile app... change my mind
mighty carbon
yeah, what (s)he said
spring mirage
🍆
digital musk
I agree with you there completely, the cost of a phone makes the glorified view-master obsolete, for a similar price you can pick up a complete PSVR setup. All I'm saying is the foldable phone in no way supports your claim that GearVR is dead
primal sky
Gear VR still exists?
digital musk
Perhaps listen to Voices Of VR Podcast #645 at 29:25, Madhu Muthukumar from Oculus says that they are still working with Samsung on further development on GearVR
wicked oak
i think gearvr is now over
i mean, when oculus Go is a thing, why gear?
100$ vs 200$, but its a HUGE quality difference
what the fuck lmao
i know its a concept, but that thing is absurd
spring mirage
it seems strange to me that it wouldn't fold the other way. like is there a full double screen on the inside too?
ohh there's one screen on the outside and a double folding on the inside
bonkers
can you imagine the pocket dialing?
or when the outside screen gets cracked and you can only use the inside screen
or when the inside screen starts malfunctioning and touching itself
mighty carbon
it would be cool to fold out Surface-size tablet out of S9 form factor ! Now that would be cool 😄
it's just can't be clearer than that
“VR was once tapped as the next hot technology,” Korea Times’ source apparently said. “However, despite sizable investment in it, the technology failed to resonate with consumers. Now, Samsung thinks the mixed reality market is a bit more promising than VR or AR in wider usability and adaptability. As we achieved in the ‘phoneblet’ market, Samsung has stronger intent in the consumer market with the firm’s new devices supporting mixed reality technology.”
either way, I think from gamer's perspective Gear VR is p00p compare to Go. People who watch videos don't really care, but they aren't my target audience.
sonic lake
Just found out the the Oculus Go also returns "OculusHMD" from Get HMDDevice Name. And it returns a C++ string (nonsense) from Oculus GetDeviceName. Anyone knows how to properly distinguish between the Go and the Rift?
mighty carbon
why?
sonic lake
Because they need a different Tracking Origin
mighty carbon
one is for Android, one is for PC.. Entirely different platforms. It's not like you are going to release same binary for both platforms
use Branch and manually set it before building for one platform or another
sonic lake
That is true. But ideally we may have the same experience run on both.
tired tree
same thing for the gearVR tho
sonic lake
I guess that comes from the Oculus VR plugin
Ok it is probably a nonsense anyway to try to create an experience which would run on both (beside packaging it differently).
Another question (sorry just learning mobile development): Print Strings don't go to the log because the experience runs on the device, right? Beside using Text Render component to display something, what would be another way to produce debug output?
sonic lake
@mighty carbon Thanks! Where does the output go?
Cannot find it in UE4 log or in logcat
mighty carbon
output goes in the 2D overlay in VR and if you check log, it should be dumped in UE4Game/ folder
if it you don't get printout, then the code didn't hit it
also, I recall it didn't work with multiview on Gear VR. Now it seems to be working.
sonic lake
My Print String is directly in Event Begin Play, so it must be hit
mighty carbon
aye, but in what actor? if actor isn't spawned, it's not gonna do BeginPlay
sonic lake
No, the actor is directly in the level
mighty carbon
does it work in PIE?
if it doesn't, then I have no idea. If it does, but doesn't work in VR then it definitely has to do with rendering settings (instanced rendering).
I guess that's why people use render text or UMG widget for debug output
sonic lake
Yes I can see it in PIE
Ok thanks! I will use a TextRender component for that.
Sorry I stand corrected. It appears also in logcat.
I was starting it too late apparently.
sonic lake
Managed to adapt the standard VR template to the Oculus Go. Even teleportation and grabbing work, even though grabbing is cumbersome with the 3DOF controller.