#virtual-reality | Unreal Source | Page 173

fleet plume Apr 10, 2018, 9:03 PM

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lol

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 9:03 PM

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for the sony thing, yeah, its about getting the project greenlit

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they have to approve the project

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they approve everything that isnt porn or child murder simulator

fleet plume Apr 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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holy crap those categories

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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but yeah, this is about getting the game approved by sony

fleet plume Apr 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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and i guess you also have to go through the rating process?

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 9:04 PM

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then i get my application ID number and stuff

fleet plume Apr 10, 2018, 9:05 PM

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like ESRB and PEGI?

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 9:07 PM

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no

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for PS4 QA and VR Consultation and all that stuff

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it gets approved as a product

fleet plume Apr 10, 2018, 9:10 PM

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ah ok

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 9:27 PM

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https://gfycat.com/TornImpressionableAngora

Gfycat

DGNCoopClip1

▶ Play video

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https://gfycat.com/DependentMeagerBison

Gfycat

DGN Coop Clip 2

▶ Play video

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have some more clips i made

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of the coop

wintry escarp Apr 10, 2018, 9:54 PM

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what sort of gpu with a rift would ps4VR be about the same as?

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 9:57 PM

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GTX 960

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biggest difference is actually CPU

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on one hand it crunches through drawcalls better than a high end i7

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on other hand its 1.6 ghz and runs game logic horribly bad

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:05 PM

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@wicked oak making it all yourself?

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:08 PM

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@primal sky almost enterely

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assets are all from packs. The only custom thing in the entire game is the final boss (ATM)

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the levels are hired to freelancers

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some of them made by me

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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nice. good job.

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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2 months dev time

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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perfect

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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now another 2 months to the vertical slice, wich is another tileset, + level generator + more enemies + more polish

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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we will finish alliance in 3 months front to back with all our own assets.

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3 guys

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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alliance?

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:14 PM

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https://tiny-leviathan.itch.io/alliance

itch.io

Alliance by Tiny Leviathan

Nightstar: Alliance

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:15 PM

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that looks like something that would work super well in PSVR, i could port it for you, or help you with it

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:15 PM

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yeah thats the idea. Yeah i will keep it in mind for sure.. much appreciated.

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just going to do our steam launch end of this month and then start port options. (it was designed to be portable to switch as well in a slightly different form)

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your game looks good dude. very nice work

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smart cycle

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:18 PM

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there is pretty much no other way with vr dev at the moment

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:18 PM

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I think the key is looking for ideas that worked really well in earlier eras of video games but still have really compelling hooks.. and figuring out how they can translate to VR

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:18 PM

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you either do shorter lived projects, or you fail

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:18 PM

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yes.

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we have the advantage of being part of a much bigger studio for day jobs.

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but yes.. 3-4 month cycles.

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correctly priced.

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:18 PM

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i wanted to make a bullet hell. Allways wanted to. Probably will tinker with it as my next project, alongside AR stuff

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this one is more then 3-4 months, its going to be 6-7

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if we miss the 6 month mark, we go straight ot 10

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we cant launch on the middle of the winter season, alongside everyone else

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:19 PM

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ah yeha.. you should.

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you might find a hook there

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re bullet hell

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yeah winter is rough.. squad does its best sales then

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:19 PM

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and i have the tech skills to run stuff like a procedurally generated city, plus a ridiculous fuck ton of bullets and patterns and FX everywhere

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

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hahahah

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8546qGL8ZA

YouTube

victor

ECS Battle: 4

Same as the 3rd, but with better graphics and in a "release" build. 100% stable 60 fps.

▶ Play video

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

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yeah we have ALOT of ideas..

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

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that tech could be used quite well in a bullet hell

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:20 PM

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indeed

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im actualyl thinking of taking the Alliance base and building a ww2 north africa version using the same framework

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realistic plane damage but arcade style.

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flying over deserts and fightingg other fighters and bombers.. tank of ground.. stuff like that.

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:21 PM

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good idea

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:21 PM

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we will see how it goes!

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:21 PM

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i do think im mistaken a bit on making this project

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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in what sense?

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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what i should really do is to polish old prototypes and go with the shotgun approach

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becouse its way too big for me.

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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it all depends if what you are making now is deep enough

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yeah

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thats why i asked

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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its ambitious as fuck

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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it seems cool but scope could get big real quick

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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but ive wanted to make a dungeon crawler for a looong time

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:22 PM

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i hear yeah

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you ever play pixeldungeon?

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that.. is brilliant. one life.

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tap and go on phone

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procedural dungeons

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RNG straight up

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:24 PM

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i have tons of rogelikes in the phone

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this is different from a rogelike, its more like Diablo

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ive thought of actual turn based style rogelike mechanics in vr

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pixel dungeon is amazing. If you want more of the sort, try "Pathos"

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Pathos is a "copy" of nethack some guy made

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is like nethack, but not retarded

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and with some usability

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you can also straight up get nethack

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but nethack has just too much stuff

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:26 PM

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cool

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i will cheers

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i love pixel dungeon still

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if someone could use beam or other fucntion so you could share that game and play coop sitting in airport for example

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:26 PM

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pixel dungeon is the same concept, but simplified to its basics, and with actual good presentation and playability

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:26 PM

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MILLIONS

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:27 PM

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have you seen the amount of different pixel dungeons there are?

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its absurd

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:27 PM

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that coop on a phone.. yeah ive looked at some

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but you are going to make me look again!

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:27 PM

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the original is open source or something, and there are a fuckton of forks

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try Pathos

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honestly really good

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:27 PM

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looking for it now

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:27 PM

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its on the middle beetween pixel dungeon simplicity, and nethack obtuseness

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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.x10host.pathos

Pathos: Nethack Codex - Apps on Google Play

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:28 PM

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why you burn my eyes with that programmer art!

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you animal

digital anvil Apr 10, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Somebody needs to make the Oasis (Ready Player One) xD

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:28 PM

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definitely 100% programmer art

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:29 PM

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oh god.. yeah.. they are and they will

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:29 PM

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but nowhere near as bad as actual nethack

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wich is ASCII

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:29 PM

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haha.. yes

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:29 PM

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it comes with tilesets

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but they are fugly

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all of them

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:32 PM

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i had no idea pixel dungeon was open source

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learn something every day man

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:32 PM

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http://pixeldungeon.watabou.ru/

Pixel Dungeon

Pixel Dungeon is a traditional roguelike game with pixel-art graphics and simple interface.

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you can download it for pc

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or buy on steam

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https://github.com/watabou/pixel-dungeon

GitHub

watabou/pixel-dungeon

pixel-dungeon - Traditional roguelike game with pixel-art graphics and simple interface

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enjoy

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the source

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:33 PM

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what are you guys thinking is optimal VR pricing atm?

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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📎 unknown.png

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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I have my thoughts but i know the thoughts of everyone are evolving

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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how to biome

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pixel dungeon edition

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smart

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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neat

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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@primal sky flip a coin, select 15 or 20 dollars

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seeing your game, just select 15 or 20 depending on what you think

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do not go lower

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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and VR market is changing.. (for example im really surprised how many viable VR arcades exsit)

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

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if you go lower you devalue the market

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and you devalue yourself

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and if people see a cheap ass game, they dont go "hey neat, its cheap"

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they go "lul shovelware trash"

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if 15-20 dollars is too expensive

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:35 PM

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Hey that I agree with.. Im not into selling myself short by any means.

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:35 PM

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put it on sale every time you can

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:35 PM

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i would do that anyway with VR.

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you look at the Onward VR population and sales increase the last 6-8 months

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very much based around smart sale utilization and continuing to add value

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:36 PM

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@primal sky the way ive thought of a "pure rogelike" in vr, is LITERALLY taking the ruleset of pixel dungeon, and making it first person

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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100k units in VR is good stuff.

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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so you get a magic wand, and it has a rng 3d model

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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yes

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i agree

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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but its unlabeled

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fire it towards something to see what happens

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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and in low poly.

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it should work fine

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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i have all the models, could just try to do it

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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and procedural no big deal.

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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dungeon architect for dungeons and done

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:37 PM

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if i were you man.

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tap tap.. (taps head)

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that has replay value

wicked oak Apr 10, 2018, 10:38 PM

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the game im making its going to have a lot of replay value

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its a diablo style game after all

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gotta grind

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:38 PM

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yeah. I see pixel dungeon as a proven formula

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just not sure how portable

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but yes.. im sure you have thought long and hard about it

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 10:40 PM

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I have a gtx 1070 and I'm locked at 45 fps in an empty level. Where do I start debugging frame time?

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:40 PM

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that is very odd.

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not the lock

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but that its 45

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 10:41 PM

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In vr. Can't reach 90 so goes down to 45 is my guess

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:41 PM

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open the console and type stat unit

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and stat fps

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 10:41 PM

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My card's at 2037 MHz and it runs well in other games.
Ok thanks

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Can't see it in vr D:

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Just like I can't see printscreen or stat fps well. Damn this sucks

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:42 PM

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haha.. yeah.. stat unit

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would at least tell you GPU CPU

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 10:42 PM

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If only I could see it lmfao

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:42 PM

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which one is bottlenecked

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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If I run without vr I can see it, but I'm getting (surprisingly) 140

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In vr, I can't see stat unit because it's off the screen and it's locked at 45

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Wow only 140 though

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This is weird

primal sky Apr 10, 2018, 10:43 PM

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well i think you can run a mirror to the screen as well. forget what its called @wicked oak

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steam VR settings probbaly.

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 10:44 PM

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This is what I mean. See it in the top?

📎 UiQLpAN.png

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Gpu is actualy 22.3. Just had to click off for the screenshot so it limited fps

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I enabled forward rendering, now it's jumping between 45 and 90

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This is so weird. All I have is true sky. I'll try removing it.

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Even lower fps now 😂

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You know what, this just happened when I updated to 4.19.1

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I'll try 4.18 and 4.19

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Also update graphics driver

mighty carbon Apr 10, 2018, 11:38 PM

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I'll sell my game for $99

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 11:39 PM

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What?

mighty carbon Apr 10, 2018, 11:39 PM

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why not?!

real needle Apr 10, 2018, 11:39 PM

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Many many reasons why not.
Why's it in this channel?

mighty carbon Apr 10, 2018, 11:41 PM

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my game is VR game, so ...

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not selling it in the channel though

sturdy coral Apr 10, 2018, 11:51 PM

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@real needle which headset?

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Turn off async reprojection and interleaved reprojection (and on oculus ASW) when checking frame timings

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Modify GetOrthoProjection in the steamvr or Oculus source to make stat fps visible in hmd

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Use oculus perf hud and steamvr frame timings graph where possible, you can make them both visible in vr

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 12:31 AM

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damn, 4.19.1 is as slow as a turtle 😦

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adding BP nodes takes several seconds

subtle raft Apr 11, 2018, 12:49 AM

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it's a feature

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 12:50 AM

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Works just fine for me

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@sturdy coral Thanks for the info!
I am using a vive. How do I modify GetOrthoProjection. And how do I show timings in the headset. I remember showing it before, but can't find it in the steam vr settings now.

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It might be in the SteamVRHMD files, but I'm not sure what values to use

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Oh my fps issue might be that shadowplay is on. Haven't tested it with it off yet, but I remember that being an issue in the past

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Ooo also the discord overlay

rocky nimbus Apr 11, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Woah @real needle your fps counter is way higher than mine, that's so weird

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 2:08 AM

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so, looking at this http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6100/3887vs3511it seems that for single-core performance (games) i7 isn't whole a lot faster than i3

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why would VR games require i7 ?

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 2:10 AM

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games aren't single core anymore....

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its still a big part of it

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but its not literally the only factor

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 2:17 AM

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So i7-7700 will be a way faster in modern games than i3-6100 ?

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(since there is no way I can't shell out for GPU upgrade, I am thinking about CPU upgrade, but don't want to end up with only 12% faster performance in VR games for ~$350)

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 2:18 AM

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It's a combination of both

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You need a good cpu to run a good gpu

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 2:19 AM

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well, give me $1000 @real needle and I will get both 😛

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 2:22 AM

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You don't get out much, do ya

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 2:24 AM

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no, Mr. Red, I am always in my chair, 24/7

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rarely leave VR for real-world nowadays

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 2:24 AM

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I can tell through discord.

charred portal Apr 11, 2018, 2:53 AM

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Yea 4.19 has something strange happening

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Performance took a huge dip in my project too ... 4.18.3 it stays

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I lost almost 10 FPS

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Profiling shows light pass and base taking longer

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Only thing different is engine version

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 3:00 AM

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well, since Fortnite isn't VR, performance loss in 4.19 is expected

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😛

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 3:00 AM

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@mighty carbon You been doin this for a while?

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 3:01 AM

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doing VR? Yeah

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 3:01 AM

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neat. how long

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 3:01 AM

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since 4.9

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 3:01 AM

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VR since 4.9? Wow you must have a large portfolio

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 3:02 AM

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maybe

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maybe not

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 3:03 AM

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Surely doing it that long you would have lots of neat projects. Maybe some work for studios

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 3:03 AM

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I work for God

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doing God's work that is

rocky nimbus Apr 11, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Is this command format correct or do I need to add the = symbol? I saw someone using the = in some places yesterday and not in others..

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4.19

dusky moon Apr 11, 2018, 6:43 AM

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@rocky nimbus Yes That is correct

dusky moon Apr 11, 2018, 8:40 AM

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I'm wondering when I run my packaged project on my own pc ... it should load/stream levels faster than others... because I'm speculating that some stuff has been cached before ?! am I right or is this just a conspiracy ?

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 9:15 AM

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anyone using the VRExp plugin knows if VOIP should be active by default ?

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:06 PM

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@jaunty shell plugin doesn't have anything to do with VOIP, I have the new audio voip component in the template in 4.19, but otherwise you'll have to either enable it for always on in config, or set up PTT with the sessions plugin I package in with the template

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I think I have the correct config settings in by default in the template to help people

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but set to PTT, so you have to activate mic

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:07 PM

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thanks man I'll have a look at the cfg files

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so far the MP is working awesomely, real time saver 😃

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in one day of integration we can already do multi user visits of our buildings, with minimal actions required by the users to log into a server or host one

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

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yeah.....template wasn't intended to be a...template, but a set of examples, but over time I made it more functional because people were just basing projects off of it.

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

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you do have to be logged into a steam account for the serverlist to work right ?

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

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I would have changed things around if that had been the original intention.....but it is what it is

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

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:p

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

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yeah

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have to be signed into steam if using steam

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:09 PM

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we're gonna create a dumb account with the same ids for every machine then

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even when logged on the same account it works no probs

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pretty awesome that your template also works for non VR @tired tree

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well grabbing stuff isn't the most convenient, but for simple stuff this is more than enough

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:23 PM

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can make more advanced FPS test pawns, that is just all I need for most tests, I extend it for specific tests from time to time but never merge those changes in

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don't want to promote actually using that pawn for FPS :p, the VR character has overhead that std ones don't, for VR/Flat combination games really should be seperate pawns entirely

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though...it also has some efficiencies that std characters don't have now...I might pull a bunch of those together at some point and pull request the engine with them

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:26 PM

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is there a major difference between the Vive_Pawn_Character and FPS_Vive_Pawn_Character pawns ?

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we're doing industrial archviz, so a lot of stuff in these pawns are actually too much for us :p

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we just need a nice set of movement options, ability to interact with stuff and a pointer that interacts with UI

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we already had most of these setup in our own template, but your has all the networking ready to use 😃

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only complain I'd have is the navmesh based navigation for teleportation. We'd rather use a surface check since it doesn't require any navigation tinkering

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:29 PM

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FPS one is a child of Vive_Pawn, I just override some key bindings and allow the camera to follow control rotation

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also lock the controllers so it can still be used with a headset connected, and a few other things to clean it up. But its base logic is the same, which is why it can be used to test the VR character

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as for teleportation, honestly teleportation in that is a direct port from epics template with some optimizations on things they had. I didn't tinker with it much as teleporting is simple and not a primary focus.

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 12:31 PM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Steam_Spy/status/983879694658437120

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:31 PM

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no worries 😃

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:31 PM

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@mighty carbon its a good thing really

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 12:31 PM

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Odd move on valve's behalf

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How is it good?

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 PM

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more privacy

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 PM

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they can open up an API for direct ownership queries themselves now

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since peoplewill want it

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 PM

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Hmm

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 PM

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and allow devs to lock their games from the api if they prefer

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that guy was literally trolling peoples accounts to get data

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 PM

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I hope they do that

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:32 PM

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it wasn't accurate

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and it was invasive

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 12:33 PM

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Steam Spy was quite valuable for stats (From indie dev business perspective)

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 12:33 PM

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@jaunty shell one thing that is different with tele is the character itself, I wrote some manage network teleportation functions, since teleport is a server authed thing in even normally it doesn't play well in network with clients wanting it

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I run teleportation client side and notify the server, it plays the teleport as part of the character saved move system

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it prevents rollbacks from out of sync, it also allows the server to deny it easier as it knows the actual location at the time of attempt

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as well as not having the ping delay

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normally its a full round trip wait for teleporting

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you don't have FPS pawns trying to teleport in engine generally, it wasn't suited for use like that by default

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 12:36 PM

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yeah sounds like a much better solution

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 1:07 PM

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when i start steam vr it defaults to loading the steam vr home

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any way to disable that?

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:12 PM

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you should be able to swap out the scene in your steamvr settings menu

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in VR, not the floating desktop window with your devices

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 1:12 PM

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actually haven't thought about that oO
thanks!

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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@tired tree have you done anything to the navmesh generation ? 🤔

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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no?

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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everytime I try to build navigation the editor resets it

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https://gfycat.com/ThirstyFabulousBarnswallow

Gfycat

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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oh, the template has dynamic nav mesh

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if you based off of that

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turn it off

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:13 PM

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aaaaaa

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wait where

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I've deleted the recast and bounds of the template area

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but it still does the stuff in the video i've posted

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 1:15 PM

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settings->navmesh->runtime generation

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other than that, everything is default

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:15 PM

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right lets try with static

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what confuses me is that it worked perfectly this morning

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and now UE keeps trying to build a small nav area, and only when I'm interacting with an object ? 🤔

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nope, still not working

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this makes no sense T_T

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where the F does this small area come from, and why is it only appearing when I interact with an object

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 1:20 PM

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try restarting after turning off dynamic

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if its generating when something is moved, its still dynamic

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:20 PM

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I'm not even moving anything 😐

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just pressing that camera button

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 1:23 PM

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that moves the button

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I doubt its set to ignore nav

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just default static mesh settings

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 1:23 PM

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hmm good call

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restarting the project with nav set to static project wide

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alright I have the nav in standalone, so it should work in build aswell, thanks @tired tree 😃

sly elk Apr 11, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Hey all- question for video capture. I'm making a little promo video for castrol to show some of their partners. I want to capture in 4k and downres to 1080p (im on a 4k display, planning to capture with shadowplay). I currently have r.screenspercentage at 100 and am using the VR pixel density controls. Does anyone know what the best way to change the monitor display resolution is?

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I don't actually care about resolution in the headset, just want a sharp image on the screen for capture

dusky moon Apr 11, 2018, 1:48 PM

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@sly elk you can set the resolution of VR mirror window on Editor Preferences > Play

sly elk Apr 11, 2018, 1:49 PM

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Oh, I thought that was only for playing in the editor, not builds

dusky moon Apr 11, 2018, 1:49 PM

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you want to capture packaged project ?!

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that's actually for editor windows and works fine

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for packaged ... afaik if you just set Start in VR enabled it will fullscreen the mirror window

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but there is a command that I havent used lately ... r.setres xx*yy

sly elk Apr 11, 2018, 1:52 PM

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Yeah, the full screen mirror is low res. I assume because its a crop of the render target and the render target isn't as dense as the 4k display. Should I continue to increase super sampling with the same vr pixel desnity settings or should I use the old r.screenpercentage setting?

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 1:58 PM

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That's so weird. Having the same fps issues as yesterday. Turned on missed frame warning in the vive headset and it seems to be missing every other one

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Just happened in 4.19.1

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Also having that weird bug where it takes half a second to place a blueprint node

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How long it takes is pretty equal to the compile time of the blueprint. It's as if it's compiling every time I add something automatically.

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Check that out (missed frames in mirrored display)

📎 DDjH386.png

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Removed the truesky plugin and it's buttery smooth 🤦

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I'll see if it fixed blueprints

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Nahh they still seem to be compiling when I update anything, but at least my fps is back.

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 2:10 PM

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mind-boggling mystery

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 2:11 PM

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@real needle https://i.imgur.com/q3Q6IVf.png thinkingHD

Imgur

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 2:27 PM

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@jaunty shell You didn't see anything

jaunty shell Apr 11, 2018, 2:27 PM

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😄

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 2:58 PM

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if I need to build levels in a similar manner Hexen levels were built - hub level from which player goes into branches, do I make it as one persistent level with streaming levels inside, or do I make each level (including hub) as standalone persistent level ?

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 3:03 PM

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separated levels

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@mighty carbon standalone persistent is the best way

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you are in vr, if you were to load/unload level layers, you will lag anyway

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separated levels are easier to deal with, usually

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if you are going to have streaming levels, remember to have "corridor" type connections

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A map connects to B through connector C

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as you enter connector C, A unloads and B starts to load

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connector needs to be long enough to allow for it, or some kind of way to slow the player

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honestly its better in separated levels

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 3:10 PM

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aye, thanks @wicked oak

dusky moon Apr 11, 2018, 3:15 PM

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talking of streaming levels... is there actually a limit on how many sublevels you can add to a persistent ?! as my project is expanding I'm becoming sensitive about it 🤔

wary onyx Apr 11, 2018, 3:20 PM

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@dusky moon i love vaporwave, i actually realized thats why i was getting so much problems once i used the blue camera everything worked beautifully

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i gues i was going too ahead of myself

dusky moon Apr 11, 2018, 3:48 PM

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@ＡＣＥ　ＧＯＤ　ァ印ニ#9718 me too kinda. well you can just add a postprocess volume to your VR Pawn/Character and mess with the colors and stuff to get things the way you want.

rocky nimbus Apr 11, 2018, 4:09 PM

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I set up a 2-handed weapon system once using an event tick that set the position and rotation of the weapon based on some math using the motion controllers, is this how it would normally be done? Is there a more performant way than to use an event tick to constantly be updating the state of the gun, etc.? I know it has to update every frame anyway but it felt a bit hacked.

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 4:14 PM

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@rocky nimbus no issue whatsoever

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i mean that is 1 tick

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you should only worry if you have like 100 doors along the map with Tick enabled

rocky nimbus Apr 11, 2018, 4:16 PM

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@wicked oak Would you consider doors with physics enabled ticking constantly or door BPs with actual event tick nodes in them? I did want to include some physics-based doors and have up to 10 people playing, potentially all of them using 2-handed weps updating constantly.

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 4:17 PM

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still no issue

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epic games has said that you mind your tickers, just profile them

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a lot of ticking stuff can be moved to a timer with 0.2 loop, or similar

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 4:22 PM

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@rocky nimbus real physics doors when they aren't in use go to sleep

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I profiled with literally hundreds of them once in a levle

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no impact if they are asleep

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and non physics doors, just set Tick to off when they aren't in use

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never leave ticking on with something that isn't actually doing anything

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 4:32 PM

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tick off does nothing

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its still on the tick graph

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just doesnt call the blueprint event

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:32 PM

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sounds like it does something

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hehe

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😛

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 4:34 PM

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@wicked oak most people throw at least a branch in ticks if they are using them

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to check if it should be doing anything

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 4:34 PM

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of course, it doesnt call into blueprint, wich is good

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but the best is to have the "can ever tick" tofalse

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and rely on events, timelines, timer

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i saw they updated Dungeon Architect for 4.19

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now that i have my prototype demo done, im going to see how would fully procedural levels perform/work on my game

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maybe i eventually do one of the tilesets as pure generated

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instead of chunk/module/section based

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:46 PM

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Yeah

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TBH, while I definitely advocate against using ticks whenever possible

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There are plenty of situations where you have no choice

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And so like @tired tree stated, branches come into play

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It's still ticking that branch

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But it's better than the rest of the functions

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 4:47 PM

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anything that needs to happen every frame should be on tick, timers have their own overhead and they won't improve there

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Also can just set tick disabled for the actor when you know it shouldn't be ticking at all

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 4:47 PM

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anything that isn't frame paced...timers should generally be better

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Timers are still better than Tick in a lot of situations though

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People still misuse Tick when they should be using a Timer instead

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:49 PM

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I did some tests with our animated player characters

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setting every single component tick to 60fps from the normal unlimited

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with 140 soldiers in the scene I could cut my game thread time in half.

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just on idle ticking of a character.

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Hmm, but where did you do that?

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

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on every component in the blueprint

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

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heh

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

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character blueprint

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everywhere i could find any tick component

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

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TBH

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

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it was telling.. we are definitely spending some energy where we should be.

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things like ticking through a health component all the time

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:50 PM

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I am surpsied you can't just do it per actor

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Actually..

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:51 PM

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yes you can but it doesnt seem to catch everything

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and I dont really get that

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Well

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Probably due to tick groups

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:51 PM

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well we do things like throttle anim update rate by distance

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and frustrum

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physics update rate.

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and a whole wack of other stuff

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you are making me want to go and dump all the ticks now in a live game

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with 80 players

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and just see.. wont tell me the rate though I dont think.

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amazing though.. i was really surprised to see the gamethread half

granite jacinth Apr 11, 2018, 4:52 PM

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it should

primal sky Apr 11, 2018, 4:59 PM

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our programmers poo pooed me

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🤷🏻

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sometime evidence isnt enough

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hahaha

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 5:17 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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combining dungeon architect with my own path node system

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top kek

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📎 unknown.png

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my query system works

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 5:20 PM

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Q: What i s"kek" ?
A: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/05/08/what-kek-explaining-alt-right-deity-behind-their-meme-magic

Southern Poverty Law Center

What the Kek: Explaining the Alt-Right 'Deity' Behind Their 'Meme ...

A satirical religion with a frog-headed god has become a favorite new way for white nationalists to troll liberals, while spreading their meme-driven strategy.

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damn, vblanco

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you are full of surprises

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🤔

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 5:21 PM

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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=topkek

Urban Dictionary

Urban Dictionary: topkek

1)A category 10 LOL; and extremely powerful lel; the strongest magnitude of kek possible; boisterously merry 2) Something that generates an extraordinary level of amusement

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lol @ level 10 lol

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such a tryhard leet hipster 😛

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 5:24 PM

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I don't know about that

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I think vblanco is actually Palmer

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conspiracy theory is unfolding here

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 5:24 PM

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"not fired for political reasons"

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 5:25 PM

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I remember when I just joined this channel back in the days, someone thought I was Palmer 😛

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 5:26 PM

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did you dress up as Quiet?

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 5:26 PM

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there is no such feature on Discord

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 5:26 PM

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your avatar

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maybe it was that exact picture

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 5:26 PM

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nah, it was the same "no avatar" avatar

sly elk Apr 11, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Credit for the oil pouring goes to Bruno Afonseca : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPypTFouLoM

YouTube

Alec Moody

CastrolOilFill

▶ Play video

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 5:35 PM

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ha, nice

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I don't think I'd have patience to play through a game about tightening nuts 😃

sly elk Apr 11, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Hah. So im making a power tool that speeds thigns up without automating

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its going to be an electric ratchet that limits torque in the tightening direction

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so you can spin a bolt down until it seats, then to the final tighten by hand

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 5:37 PM

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damn thats an awesome effect

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is it a spline for the arc, plus a particle effect using 3d splash meshes?

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nice Ad too

sly elk Apr 11, 2018, 5:38 PM

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its a skeletal mesh with bones that calculate an arc

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bruno could explain it better. he is on here somtimes

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 5:39 PM

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similar to an spline then, but with bones not spline meshes

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good shit

glacial socket Apr 11, 2018, 5:39 PM

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Hi all!
Anybody tried windows mixed reality with Unreal Engine?
My problem is the analog joysticks are not mapped to the vive thumbstick but our game would be more fun with joystick loco+turning.
What are the engine input mapping for those?
Thanks in advance!

wintry escarp Apr 11, 2018, 5:56 PM

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are they mapped to the rift thumbsticks instead?

mighty carbon Apr 11, 2018, 6:09 PM

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what have you been up to @wintry escarp ?

glacial socket Apr 11, 2018, 6:10 PM

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rift: correctly mapped to joysticks, vive: thumbpads
on WMR it would be best to use joysticks however it is mapped to thumbpads

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 6:30 PM

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i have a BP actor where one of the components is a stereo layer
when i destroy the actor it's gone from the the level hierarchy, but the stereo layer still gets rendered onto the HMD

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do i need to destroy it manually?

tired tree Apr 11, 2018, 7:31 PM

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@no7hing#8688 how old is your project? they switched over to using BeginDestroy for it in 4.18 or 4.19 to fix that very problem

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mm, names broken

wintry escarp Apr 11, 2018, 7:42 PM

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motorsep: not much, trying to look at 4.2o subdivs but it crashes as soon as I try anything with them

sturdy coral Apr 11, 2018, 7:53 PM

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@glacial socket you have to do some special work to make thumbsticks work, there are some threads about it (non-ue4 specific) on r/windowsmr

glacial socket Apr 11, 2018, 7:55 PM

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I've tried altering the config file but it causes the room center to move which is not handled in UE and messing up the in-game position tracking

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so those tweaks are not enough

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 8:13 PM

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@tired tree started in 4.16 IIRC

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meanwhile i'am on 4.18.3

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i tried setting the texture to nullptr (c++) or nothing (bp); manually destroy the widget where the texture is coming from; disable live texture

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no dice

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what happened to GEngine->HMDDevice ?

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 8:17 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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takin dungeon architect for a spin

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very cool shit

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 8:17 PM

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ah, it moved to the hmd function lib

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 8:17 PM

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i wonder if i can integrate with my own generation

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so it generates automatic corridors beetween the arenas or special areas i create

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 8:18 PM

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is that a game?

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dungeon architect

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 8:18 PM

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its a plugin

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it has a huge amount of stuff for random generation/rogelike things

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sadly, you dont have much control. The dev is working on that tho

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its very useful to prototype

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 8:18 PM

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maybe i know it's sibling from the unity store

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 8:18 PM

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and you can customize it

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becouse its the same

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the dev mantains both versions

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 8:19 PM

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sounds familiar

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have you ever had a problem with a persistent stereo layer?

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is NOT rendered anymore in editor window, BUT in hmd?

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 8:20 PM

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thats how layers work

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allways

fleet plume Apr 11, 2018, 8:20 PM

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i destroyed the actor of it

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where it's a stereolayercomponent

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 8:21 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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you better control the generator and customize it

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becouse its retarded to a huge degree by default

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made sure to add a "far from doors" rule

real needle Apr 11, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Has anyone had a chance to try the Zed-Mini and their custom build of unreal?

tacit quest Apr 11, 2018, 8:57 PM

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@wicked oak can you randomize a dungeon, then bake it to populate it yourself?

wicked oak Apr 11, 2018, 9:11 PM

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yes

tacit quest Apr 11, 2018, 9:35 PM

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hrm, i may pick that up

eternal inlet Apr 11, 2018, 10:08 PM

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anyone interrested in playtesting my coming game in the current test-state, are welcome to join my channel here: https://discord.gg/UNSpf8u (oculus/vive)

obtuse spruce Apr 12, 2018, 12:25 AM

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Have any of you guys working on VR projects been in the awkward spot of having to decide whether or not it's worth to upgrade engine versions mid-development? I'm using 4.16.3, where, among other things, lots of optimization viewmodes are broken in VR and standalone doesn't work, so I'm really wrestling with whether or not switching to a new engine version is worth it. Any thoughts or advice?

granite jacinth Apr 12, 2018, 12:27 AM

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stay in 4.16 until 4.19 is fixed

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then jump to 4.19

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But every version improves upon VR little by little

short laurel Apr 12, 2018, 12:28 AM

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my personal opinion is that bearing the pain and upgrading as soon as possible is a much better plan than waiting... It is less painful now than it used to be.

granite jacinth Apr 12, 2018, 12:28 AM

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Just depends on close to the end you are

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If you are going to release, let's say next week

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Don't update 😃

short laurel Apr 12, 2018, 12:28 AM

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that being said - it depends on your specific concerns

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totally agree lol

granite jacinth Apr 12, 2018, 12:28 AM

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4.19 is important because it fixes issues with WMR and Pro

short laurel Apr 12, 2018, 12:29 AM

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a friend of mine is doing some contract work on 4.10

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poor guy

obtuse spruce Apr 12, 2018, 12:37 AM

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We are still a ways away from release. Our alpha launched two weeks ago, and it's going to be many months until we launch the full version; we'd like to do that in November. (It's a VR climbing game inspired by 2d platformers like Super Mario Bros. You can try it here if you want: https://catapultgames.itch.io/dont-look-down)
I know what you mean about upgrading ASAP to get it over with, but I'm very afraid of doing that. I was one of the many people whose VR projects were rendered almost unplayable by a bug in 4.17 that was screwing up play space origin location and rotation. Going back to 4.16 and having to re-do all the work I did after upgrading was a massive pain, and I'd absolutely hate to have that happen again.
Is your friend doing VR work in 4.10? I don't even wanna know what QOL features for VR are missing going back that long...

itch.io

Don't Look Down by Catapult Games

VR climbing game with power-ups, enemies, and bonus rooms.

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And what do you mean by "until 4.19 is fixed?" What's broken in VR in 4.19 right now?

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 12:50 AM

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@obtuse spruce Use the 'make a copy' option when opening your project in a newer version and this won't harm your original files in case something's broken in the new one

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What version are you using to make DLD?

obtuse spruce Apr 12, 2018, 1:24 AM

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@rocky nimbus We're using 4.16.3. Not super old, but kinda old in terms of VR because of all the small QOL updates they do for VR in every new release.
I think UE automatically makes a copy when you open an old project in a newer engine version. The problem I was talking about was not that I lost my original files, but that I had to re-do all the work I had done after updating to 4.17 because files aren't backwards-compatible.

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 1:29 AM

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@obtuse spruce Yeah I feel you, I'm using 4.16.3 on one of my projects as well. Upgrading kills all of my dynamic instances and I have to re-create them so I'm not gonna bother

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But that project is over, I go back to it if I need to make any slight adjustments. For a long-term project, will definitely have to upgrade

granite jacinth Apr 12, 2018, 1:56 AM

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So, wtf

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But how the hell do I get outta WMR lobby crap 😦

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I keep going in there sometimes out of nowhere, but others because I hit the damn windows button on the controllers.

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But pressing it again doesn't transport me back into the game 😭

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w/e, if anyone knows of a sure way to get back into the game after accidently hitting the WindowsKey, hit me up, you'll be in my debt ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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(other than alt-tabbing and clicking the VR preview window)

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 2:29 AM

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@granite jacinth there should be a steamvr window inside the cliffhouse environment you can click on

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sometimes it can get stuck behind other objects or under the ground

granite jacinth Apr 12, 2018, 2:30 AM

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hmm, I'll keep an eye on it

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thanks

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 2:49 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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Could this be used to handle physics-based 2 handed weapons? I was looking into it for interactive doors but thought it might work here as well

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Yes, I use a similar method to the physics handle with some improvements and two handed interactions, the component is generally fine though

granite jacinth Apr 12, 2018, 3:07 AM

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sigh, I really can't recommend doing dev work with WMR full time

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Well, not the Samsung Odyssey anyway, I don't remember having these issues with the Acer

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But could be something new since I've last used the Acer. But I just accidently closed the freaking SteamVR window in Home

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And Now I can't play SteamVR in editor until I restart the editor again

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It's actually more trouble than it's worth

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Other than having to constantly hit Win+Y to work on regular desktop all the time

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:11 AM

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does anyone know where i can disable pushback in the vrexpansion plugin by mordentral?

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been looking in vive_pawncharacter and cant find a bool or the radius he mentions in the forum post for shutting it off

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:12 AM

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there is no bool

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just don't have it collide with the object, or set the WalkingOverride

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either works

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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which object on the pawn conroller is the collider check? the head mesh i set to ignore all collisions

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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the character obeys standard engine collision channels, so any object ignoring the pawn channel can be walked through

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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i still wanted the callback to work just didnt want the physics effect

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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the capsule

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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i see

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the root capsule ok

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and that wont affect the motion controllers?

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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no

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:13 AM

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hand wand things

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thanks big help! was working on this the last 20 minutes

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:14 AM

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walking overide is to set it so locomotion and free walk have different colliders

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so you can be blocked during locomotion, yet still walk through it in roomscale

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its a seperate thing

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but turning off blocking period

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from

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:14 AM

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ah gotcha, i am only using roomscale with teleporting, basically imported your example project and am taking it apart to figure it all out/modify

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super appreciate your help

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hahahaha omg, i just fell through the floor

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ok so i need to collide with.. 1 thing

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:17 AM

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You can turn off gravity too though

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:18 AM

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oh? just for the player in the controller

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found it thanks

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:19 AM

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can set movement mode none too

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since you aren't using locomotion

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:19 AM

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i added an enum to the movement to set it to to a none state

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i didnt find movement mode none

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:19 AM

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in the character movement component, you should look up characters

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its a fully featured one, so most things are the same as any character guide

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mostly just additions, not reductions in features

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:20 AM

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yeah, im still working my way around unreal. i can code and do algorithms but i dont know all the ins and outs of unreal yet

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ok yeah i found disable movement i just assumed that might disable all hmd movement (worried)

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i tried disabling gravity on the vr root capsule but am still falling. will keep digging

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:23 AM

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nope, character exclusive, just puts it into a state where it doesn't perform any movement logic

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:24 AM

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ahh kk

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:24 AM

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including falling

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:25 AM

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but that doesnt include gravity falling?

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 3:25 AM

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you can pm me with questions though

hollow mauve Apr 12, 2018, 3:25 AM

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ok, i appreciate it

sinful bobcat Apr 12, 2018, 6:00 AM

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hey vive owners

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can i setup the sensors at desktop level?

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or do they really need to be standing eye level

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 6:02 AM

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@sinful bobcat You can set them up on the floor if you'd like

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Any configuration works, as long as there are no major reflective surfaces or direct sunlight

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"re: different online subsystems: UVoipTalker is only supported with Unreal's native VOIP support, which is used in the Null and the MCP subsystems. "

Does this mean steam lobbies are out of the picture...?

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Only one way to find out

sinful bobcat Apr 12, 2018, 6:19 AM

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ok cool

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 6:30 AM

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@real needle I'm not sure what MCP stands for, but it does work with steam

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 6:31 AM

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@sturdy coral ah much thanks

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I was looking at if it was possible to project the voice back to the player

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Also quite important if one want to test effects

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 6:34 AM

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@real needle hmm well maybe not, I thought I saw reference in steam

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damn yeah looks like it doesn't

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I've already transitioned to it too

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my old stuff supported steam

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@real needle looks like MCP is iOS..

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another case of "not needed for Fortnite, not implemented" 😛

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it is weird because the output code before was identical between null and steam other than the compression method

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 6:40 AM

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@sturdy coral I think mordentral set it up in the example, we might be able to test

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I think I'm done as well, with voice modulation input lol

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Just need to set a source effects chain

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 6:42 AM

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as far as projecting back to player, there used to be a debug define called loopback or something

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 6:54 AM

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@sturdy coral what prevents me from not using steams voip when in a steam lobby?

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 6:54 AM

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@real needle you can probably still use it, I think ittjust isn't hooked up to the VOIPTalker

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so it won't be spatialized

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we'll need to double check, but I don't see the synth component thing being referenced except in the null subsystem

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 6:55 AM

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Hmm

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Well the new audio engine looks amazing

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I'll build a Thermin instead

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I've had it turned on for a while, but I didn't look into the new libraries

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It makes me happy to see midi still being the format

digital musk Apr 12, 2018, 6:58 AM

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@real needle did you build a theremin in UE?

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 6:59 AM

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I'm just starting

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After 16h of work I want to do something fun

digital musk Apr 12, 2018, 7:01 AM

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You're kidding ...I literally just had the conversation two days ago with someone who said they want to try to play one and my reply was " I could probably build you one in UE" 🤓

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 7:02 AM

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If I'll get a pair of IMU gloves or Knuckles it would be more impressive

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I wonder if the ZED-mini has a hand tracking portion of their api

digital musk Apr 12, 2018, 7:03 AM

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This I NEED to see!!!

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Would it not be a great case for Leap Motion?

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 7:04 AM

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@digital musk not UE4, but google open sourced soundstage:

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https://github.com/googlearchive/soundstagevr

GitHub

googlearchive/soundstagevr

Contribute to soundstagevr development by creating an account on GitHub.

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I think it has a theremin like thing

real needle Apr 12, 2018, 7:06 AM

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It would be, and I have one somewhere... Not many will strap one to their hmds though, they need to integrate it

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From Stereolabs documentation. One could probably repurpose their spatial mapping for hands, but that one is not me

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I haven't seen any leap motion projects in unreal for a long time

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From their latest videos I'm sure it's pretty good

glacial socket Apr 12, 2018, 7:29 AM

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@granite jacinth I see you tried to develop for WMR. Do you happen to know how to map anything in UE for the WMR analog joysticks?

ivory flower Apr 12, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Hi, do you know if scenecapture2d is working for vr projects? I tried to do a mirror and it was working fine on editor, but once I launched the game (from command line or packaged) fps dropped to ~20 (UE 4.19, Oculus Rift). I changed it to refresh at 30fps and I got a little better but not enough. I didn't notice any improvement reducing render target texture

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 8:02 AM

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@ivory flower It does work, I used it to make a sniper scope but it's very heavy

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A mirror would be even worse

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 8:03 AM

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what resolution is your scene capture running at ? @ivory flower

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 8:03 AM

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I had to reduce the capture resolution, overall project resolution etc.

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 8:03 AM

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maybe you can use a planar reflection ?

ivory flower Apr 12, 2018, 8:07 AM

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I tried with 128x128 but there wasn't any difference with 1024x1024

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I disabled all the scene flags also

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but I don't understand why it's working fine on the editor :/

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 9:00 AM

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@tired tree I've got a weird bug with VRExp where the clients rotation on teleport sometimes gets flipped 180°, is this a known bug ?

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ain't the case on the host though

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nothing happened @sturdy coral 😄

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 9:10 AM

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apparently + key is next to enter on numpad

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 9:10 AM

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😄

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 9:33 AM

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actually that teleport rotation problem on multiplayer is more of a random angle

sturdy coral Apr 12, 2018, 9:56 AM

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@jaunty shell did you watch his last youtube video? it talked about rotate in multiplayer a bit

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not sure if it addressed what you are running into

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 9:57 AM

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oh this might have gotten over my head

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I kinda watched it yesterday but was focused on other stuff. Will have a look

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hu, so this might be the packet loss related stuff he is talking about then

digital musk Apr 12, 2018, 10:03 AM

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I've been trying unsuccessfully to teleport with a set rotation...was looking inside the default VR pawn for how to set the teleport rotation but I'm missing it. Sorry, who's video are you referring to?

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 10:46 AM

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https://youtu.be/DItj3S7qh2U this one @digital musk

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around 14mn30 mordentral talks about the packet loss

digital musk Apr 12, 2018, 10:59 AM

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thanks

torpid estuary Apr 12, 2018, 11:10 AM

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Hi
Probably it has been asked a million times but How can I define the initial position of the camera in VR?

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And is possible to remove the stupid keyboard that appears by default with the Acer Mixed reality headset?

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 11:31 AM

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@torpid estuary Are you referring to the player height?

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@jaunty shell Have you played around with the retain momentum stuff he put together?

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 11:35 AM

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don't think so

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haven't changed anything to the pawn

torpid estuary Apr 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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@rocky nimbus Height and position

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

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Any idea if that lever at the start of his video can be moved with touch instead of grip?

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@torpid estuary Use this node, set it to Floor Level and you'll be as tall in-game as you are in real life

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As for position, can you describe what you're trying to achieve?

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P.S. run that node at beginplay inside your pawn.

torpid estuary Apr 12, 2018, 11:38 AM

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@rocky nimbus I have a character placed in the scene and I want the game to start with the VR headest looking at the character (of course if the headset is oriented correctly). I'm going to try that node for the height, thanks

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

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When you place your pawn in your level you can rotate it to face whatever default direction you want and your real-life front-facing direction will be facing you that way in-game. Or, if you're spawning your pawn you can just set its rotation to the same. @torpid estuary

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But make sure when you drop your pawn in your level, you leave it where it is (on the ground)

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That way your floor will match your floor in-game.

torpid estuary Apr 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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@rocky nimbus I'll try that, thanks

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 11:40 AM

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Np!

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 12:24 PM

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@jaunty shell what version are you on? it could either be A: packet loss in the older version prior to the MoveAction_Teleport (would have to be fairly old), B: The newest version as of Monday or so and I screwed something up and I need to fix it :p Considering the overhaul touched teleporting.

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 12:29 PM

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I think I updated to the latest version.. Shall I check in the plugin info ?

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 12:31 PM

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you are on 4.19?

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 12:32 PM

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yup

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 12:36 PM

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PM me

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i'll go over it, you might be doing something wrong

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 1:06 PM

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newp, was my bad, will patch in a few mins

jaunty shell Apr 12, 2018, 1:37 PM

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in the end the important thing is that it was fixeable 😄

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 1:46 PM

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almost all things are fixable

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Epic servers are down, can't log into the launcher - is there any other way for me to grab an asset pack and 'Add to Project' without the launcher? Haha

mighty carbon Apr 12, 2018, 1:59 PM

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nope

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I thought they bounced back last night. At least I was able to log into forums

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Yeah so was I,

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It just kicked me out

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A few min ago

mighty carbon Apr 12, 2018, 2:04 PM

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hmm.. Marketplace is out too :/

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 2:05 PM

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It crashed right after I bought something

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But it worked

sly elk Apr 12, 2018, 3:02 PM

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yeah, i noticed the forum was down

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Servers are back up

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💯

mighty carbon Apr 12, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Marketplace is still down for me :/

glossy agate Apr 12, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Bit of progress on our game. Added bots so you can still play solo if nobody else is online https://youtu.be/g-o1RXSobfU

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mighty carbon Apr 12, 2018, 4:50 PM

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having bots is always a good idea!

glossy agate Apr 12, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Agreed. Makes it way easier to test gameplay flow too

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And they will only spawn in empty team slots so you can have have bots to just fill a team if only a few people are playing

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 5:02 PM

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Is Mordentral's plugin not available for 4.19?

wicked oak Apr 12, 2018, 5:02 PM

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@rocky nimbus it is

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been for a while

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 5:03 PM

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@wicked oak

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or is the master branch always the latest ver

wicked oak Apr 12, 2018, 5:04 PM

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i had it working on 4,19 since preview

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but i did get it and edit a couple errors out

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nothing mayor, like 1-2 things

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 5:05 PM

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im just not sure how to download a version of it that will work with 4.19 from that page in the screenshot

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oh wait,

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got it

soft beacon Apr 12, 2018, 5:06 PM

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Does anyone know why Set Actor Location for a Pawn works normally in 2D, but in VR it simply doesn't? If I am not in VR mode, it works fine, so i dont think its a blueprint error

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 5:09 PM

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@soft beacon Nothing happens in VR?

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 5:11 PM

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@rocky nimbus yeah master branch is always current engine version

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I lock older versions into stable branchs and apply selective patches down to them if it applys

soft beacon Apr 12, 2018, 5:13 PM

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@rocky nimbus the player is ust stuck in a random position

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this is my BP. Works in non VR mode, but in VR mode the camera is stuck

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 5:22 PM

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@soft beacon Can you confirm the entire chain is executed whilst in VR mode?

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@tired tree The step-by-step said the solution build time could take between 20 min to an hour but it just finished in 1-2 minutes. Did I do something wrong or were build times much longer when the tutorial was written? Haha

tired tree Apr 12, 2018, 5:26 PM

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it was longer

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IWYU greatly improved things

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though, i didn't write the step by step

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he may have had a slow setup

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and/or based it on the template which includes another additional plugin

rocky nimbus Apr 12, 2018, 5:30 PM

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Yeah, works great - thanks

obtuse spruce Apr 12, 2018, 5:53 PM

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@soft beacon Unless you just threw that script together for testing purposes and efficiency doesn't matter, I recommending banking a reference to your player controller ahead of time so you don't have to do a cast operation every frame.

soft beacon Apr 12, 2018, 6:02 PM

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@obtuse spruce Interesting, I see, that is awesome, will try

obtuse spruce Apr 12, 2018, 6:26 PM

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@soft beacon No problem! You won't notice inefficient code on small VR projects, but once your inefficiencies add up and your CPU/GPU threads start bumping into the 11ms threshold of life or death, you're gonna have a bad time with all the frame drops. If you wanna learn more about performance and optimization stuff, this talk by Zak Parish (in all his pink-haired glory) is a good place to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcxetY8g_fs

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real needle Apr 12, 2018, 10:50 PM

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I'm seeing a strange behavior on the VRWorks 4.18 branch. When multi res shading is turned on, my draw time is significantly increased. I'm not able to find any information on this topic (like, does forward/deferred matter) and was hoping someone here might have some knowledge working with VRWorks

foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 12:08 AM

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Guys, what I need to make my right hand picking a type of object that cannot grab the other hand(and viceversa)? So I need the left hand can grab an object of tool type, the right hand an object of weapon type... I realized just now working in VR is harder than I thought

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Do I need two different Grab\Release interfaces for each hand?

wary onyx Apr 13, 2018, 12:51 AM

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@rocky nimbus thank you sinn for sharing the tips

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i was able to get through this like a breeze

sturdy coral Apr 13, 2018, 1:03 AM

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@real needle only thing I know of is if you have something very geometry heavy I've heard it can be worse

granite jacinth Apr 13, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Man...lol....today's been a hell of a day

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https://gyazo.com/98d842398c997dd889294e45b7b3bdab

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ivory flower Apr 13, 2018, 7:03 AM

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@foggy burrow you can check the motion controllers component hand property to know if it's the left hand or the right hand

jaunty shell Apr 13, 2018, 7:24 AM

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@real needle how about LMS ? Same results ?

sinful bobcat Apr 13, 2018, 8:01 AM

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am i wearing it right

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:05 AM

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@real needle MRS/LMS trade vertex cost for fill rate reduction. Results vary by scene. It's not a case of you can't have higher geometry density, but tends to be more what the balance in the drawcalls for the scene is. If you combination hits the vertex side too much you can stall out the pixel shader which can end up not faster than not having the vertex cost/triangle and just drawing the pixels. I'd strongly recommend getting a RenderDoc capture to verify that you have MRS actually running and also to look through what actual draws you're making before drawing conclusions.

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 8:09 AM

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@candid viper I was interested in ways how I can profile it, I will look into RenderDoc. Gamethread perf is easy to profile but rendering is tricker and stat GPU/scene rendering etc isn't enough for something like this

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:09 AM

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@candid viper not at all. they are direct fill rate reduction, without barely any extra cost

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that is the whole point, its done with some gpu extensions for the multiple viewports

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at least it was like that on DWVR

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and DWVR has nearly 2 million polygons and nearly 2000 drawcalls

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no issue whatsoever, MRS was a straight +20% performance improvement thanks to less pixels

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if vertex were more costly, i would be losing perf, but i wasnt

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:12 AM

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@wicked oak The broadcast to multiple viewports is not free. Maxwell and Pascal NVidia gpus have sufficient buffering that they can usually keep that on chip. If you compare the performance increase vrs the fill rate change you'll see that you don't get the full increase. For most workloads it is better, but not all.

granite jacinth Apr 13, 2018, 8:13 AM

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ya, but it's all about that Red Team

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 8:13 AM

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@wicked oak @candid viper I have seen high quad overdraw in a couple of locations, but the scene is relatively simple. 600-1k draw calls, 1mil polys

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:13 AM

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yeah, but DWVR was probably a worst case scenario, as it was already on the absolute limit drawcall/polygon related, and its perf improved with MRS

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this for multires, not LMS

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when i tried it

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:14 AM

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@real needle RenderDoc is good not so much for profiling but you see exactly how UE has rendered what you asked it to. Can often be a case of tweaking the UE scene to improve things rather than GPU tweaks. If you're wanting to tweak shader performance more, that is something else.

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:15 AM

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renderdoc is great, super useful

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 8:17 AM

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@candid viper Shader complexity is negligent in the scene, but I hear yah. There seems to be a good amount of docs and support for RenderDoc, I'll see what I can figure out

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:17 AM

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renderdoc does have some timing info, but i wouldnt trust it too much, its too granular. Its main purpose is to see if there are weird shit getting calculated that you dont need

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you can also see the difference beetween forward and deferred really well with it

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:20 AM

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The problem with usind drawcalls to compare is that not all drawcalls are equal. Depending on what changes between draw calls, the cost on gpu side especially varies. Very simple example. If you're using a material with a basic shader driven by texture data, then one draw to the next is likely just changing textures (likely using the same index/vertex buffer depending on how things are setup). Really cheap. If the materials are more involved then that can require shader changes which depending on what can stall out some of the threads on the gpu during the change. Whether that is hidden or significant is a huge variable. I'm only aiming to illustrate that while draw calls is useful at a very high level it doesn't tell you much at all over than the rough granularity of the scene. Also, I'm not doubting people having positive results with MRS/LMS - just wanted to illustrate when it's not as helpful as expected, what kind of thing typically causes it.

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:21 AM

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you can see unreal engine likes to sort the meshes by material, lowering the drawcall cost

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due to less switching

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:21 AM

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Mostly I'd suggest RenderDoc for figuring out if things are being draw as you expect. What is changing between draw calls? Is there anything enabled I don't expect?

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:22 AM

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renderdoc is amazing to debug what you just said, as it does point when stuff changes

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even like that, on the drawcall switching cost, im pretty sure drivers optimize it

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 8:23 AM

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would I be able to differentiate between say, masked materials and translucent?

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:23 AM

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when i was doing a shitty render engine, i found that the gpu driver batched my driver calls

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like only sending stuff to the gpu every 100 drawcalls or so, to send it at once

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 8:23 AM

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I've been profiling, seen a 0.0x amount of translucency being drawn, but then realized that half the scene was masked or additive

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:24 AM

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masked cost is nearly nonexistant

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it does exist, but its low

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:24 AM

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Drivers optimise as much as they can, but the underlying hardware has limits on what changes it can pipeline and hide the cost for.

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 8:24 AM

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main issue with masked is that it still has to run the normal shader on the transparent parts

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it just then skips from opacity mask

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but its still much cheaper than any form of transparency

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 8:26 AM

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Masked cost can depend a lot on the interaction with high/early Z on the particular card. Usually cheap, but you can hit some more expensive cases. UE it self generally does a very good job of stopping you being able to submit anything that hits the really bad cases, but it is still possible.

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 8:26 AM

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oh yes switching from translucent to masked or even additive has a very noticeable impact, but in this particular case it was actually still causing hitches because of the sheer amount. I wasn't able to see that in stat scenerendering for example, apart from BasePass and RenderVievInit

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it's a good thought to remember that the built in tools are simplifications of complex data and that one shouldn't rely on them 100%

wicked oak Apr 13, 2018, 9:06 AM

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what you working on @candid viper ?

foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 9:08 AM

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@XavierGaro#8824 I tried with the switch on Hand Enum but maybe is missing something... Should I add in the pickup interface a parameter named HandIndex or something like that?

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 9:11 AM

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@foggy burrow Yeah just add an interface event that will return if the actor is held and if so, by which hand. Determine if the player can pick it up from that data.

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You should also set which hand is holding the actor once it's been picked up

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Which, as you said, you can pass along a "HandIndex" or the motioncontroller component, which you then can "get hand" from

foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 9:46 AM

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Ok, I open Unreal

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let's see

rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 10:13 AM

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Has anyone tried the 'Advanced MultiView IK Character with VR IK' plugin by Dominic Gregory yet?

candid viper Apr 13, 2018, 10:17 AM

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@wicked oak Mostly things that I can't talk about. A mixture of game and enterprise stuff. One I can share is a short project done for the BBC to take a version of the Queen Vic pub (from Eastenders - a UK TV Soap Opera) and make a VR experience with it. That isn't publically released yet, but they did use it to put one of the cast and a YouTube "influencer" into VR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyLNJuCijVA Skip to 4:30 for the VR bit. This was the BBC demoing - so I cringe at the headset setup etc, but for a short project it's fun seeing none games/VR people play it. It has been used to demo for Universities here. The other game and especially the enterprise work pushes things a lot more, but I'm limited what I can discuss.

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foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 10:24 AM

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@real needle I made this, but it doesn't work: the weapon can be grabbed also with the left hand

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the first element in != is the actor which grab, so if the actor wich grab is != left hand, then pickup

rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 11:10 AM

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hmm

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can you show more of your BP?

foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 11:16 AM

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I modified It, anyway is it normal debug strings doesn't appear in VR preview?

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nor breakpoints

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anyway I'm making some screen

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rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 11:23 AM

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oh crap

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I thought I was in another channel where I was helping someone

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so your screenshots confused tf out of me

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hold on brb

foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 11:24 AM

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lol don't worry

rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 11:50 AM

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my strings aren't appearing either, 4.19?

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I do see them in the output log though, so you can fall back on that

foggy burrow Apr 13, 2018, 11:56 AM

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I've found a topic which show how do that

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about the strings I mean

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about the weapon grab... it seems not execute

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Anyone here used the OculusSubsystem to issue a Game Invite?

rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Is motion capture possible using a VR rig within UE4? Instead of being a character and filming it, to actually bake the animation data and then use it in a cinematic render

obtuse spruce Apr 13, 2018, 5:04 PM

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@rocky nimbus Are you saying that printed strings don't appear in VR in 4.19? They appear in 4.16.3, but they're really hard to see in the corner of your eye if you just print it once.
I'm doing a bit of researching to decide whether or not it's worth updating my project, so learning all these live bugs is important.

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:08 PM

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4.19 behaviour is the same

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they're in the very top left corner of the render target and they're really hard to see, but they're there

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I've taken to printing strings to the HUD

rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 5:10 PM

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@obtuse spruce Yeah. I tried printing lots of them because I've had problems before where I had to print like 20-30 just to get them low enough to see but they don't appear (not even on my monitor preview)

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They did in previous versions

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:10 PM

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@neon egret I believe one of my clients has that working in their 4.19 project

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oops

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@rocky nimbus they were working for me, I'll double check

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@neon egret I'm on slack with the guy who hooked it up if you have specific questions

rocky nimbus Apr 13, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Could just be me, ran into this a while back in 4.16 and fixed it but can't remember how. It's probably a local problem

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:13 PM

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they were definitely working for me in .18

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 5:15 PM

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@runic phoenix Main Question is how does he listen to the Invite Request

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For Steam I had to hook up the Steam Callback manually

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I can send the Invite without problems. It arrives in the other users Oculus UI

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But I want an Event in my code (delegate) that I can bind to to display UI and accept/reject the invite

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:27 PM

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I'll take a look

tired tree Apr 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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@rocky nimbus something to note now that you are playing with the plugin, I have a direct Console / Output command window output to texture / stereo layer setup

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its....significantly more convenient than checking view space for print strings.

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:29 PM

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@rocky nimbus yeah my prints are working in vr preview in 4.19

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@neon egret I'm sorry I was mistaken. They are using the Oculus matchmaking system to find and start sessions.

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there's no direct invite yet

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 5:33 PM

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Means they don't have direct invite yet

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Or Oculus doesn't support that at all

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? :P

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I mean I can send an Invite

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So I assume it's possible

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Guess I'll have to wait for Oculus to answer. Thanks though!

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:35 PM

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I don't see a single bit of event driven code in this network blueprint

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everything's in response to something it's already doing

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sorry 😦

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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Yeah it's also 100% c++ :D

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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ahh

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 5:36 PM

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If you only look at BPs then you won't see that anyway I guess

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:37 PM

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are the docs online? I can take a quick look

obtuse spruce Apr 13, 2018, 5:41 PM

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@runic phoenix Thanks for confirming that prints work in VR in 4.19.
Do you know of any live bugs in 4.19.1 that affect VR? I'm scouring the answerhub and bug tracker to see what problems I may run into after upgrading.

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 5:42 PM

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nothing specific to 4.19 yet

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we did hit a recent issue with rendering resources not being released after PIE

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second run of PIE locks up for ages during startup

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got fixed by using a splash screen during loading

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we were on 4.18 before for this project, so it wasn't a big jump

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 5:50 PM

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I tried to look into the docs

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But I couldn't find more than a starter guide for UE4

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Couldn't find an API or so

tired tree Apr 13, 2018, 6:59 PM

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@neon egret LibOVRPlatform module contains their api headers

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looks like room invites are handled through their generic messaging bus

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can iterate over an array of pending invites

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 7:00 PM

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Will have a look at it next week
Thanks!

obtuse spruce Apr 13, 2018, 7:09 PM

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@runic phoenix So that's an issue that appeared in 4.18 and hasn't been fixed as of 4.19.1? I'm using 4.16.3 right now, so I have three engine versions worth of updates and bugs to research 😞

runic phoenix Apr 13, 2018, 7:09 PM

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@obtuse spruce we don't know when it turned up, it was hidden by something else that we exposed at the same time as the 4.19 upgrade

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but it's a recent issue supposedly, and happens in a blank project

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honestly I'd just try it

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no amount of research will prepare you 😃

obtuse spruce Apr 13, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Ok, gotcha. We rarely ever use PIE, so that shouldn't be too much of an issue.
We did a bit of research to know what to expect, but of course that's no substitute for diving in and testing that everything in our project works in 4.19.1.

mighty carbon Apr 13, 2018, 7:41 PM

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@neon egret if you are working with Oculus hardware, you might want to sign up for Oculus Start program and get access to their engineers (5 sessions, one on one). A lot of their stuff isn't supported yet in UE4 (especially in Epic's branches).

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 7:42 PM

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It's a client

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He'd need to do that then

mighty carbon Apr 13, 2018, 7:43 PM

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it's free

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and it's for devs who use Oculus platform

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I am sure you will keep making stuff for Rift in the future 😃

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 7:44 PM

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If I could choose, then no :D

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I dislike VR dev

mighty carbon Apr 13, 2018, 8:10 PM

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🙀

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how so ?

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just dev or playing in VR is also not something you enjoy ?

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Playing is limited. Only game I recently enjoyed was Lone Echo

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Deving is a pain. Specially Multiplayer

sturdy coral Apr 13, 2018, 8:29 PM

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you have to mock everything into something that can be crudely manipulated in 2d to stay sane

neon egret Apr 13, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Trust me, I already have non-VR Pawns to test everything non-vr related

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But that's personal opinion :P

sly elk Apr 13, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Hey- has anyone here built a game that was playable as either VR or as a mouse/keyboard/screen game? Im trying to think through the way the different store fronts work and how to let people to chose how to launch into VR or non VR

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Iracing does this with a popup if it detects the HMD

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but I doubt oculus or oculus store users want a popup every time they launch a game from the headset

sturdy coral Apr 13, 2018, 9:24 PM

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@sly elk I have it working for put on the headset and switch to VR, take it off and go back to 2d

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I'm not sure about the oculus store, but in steam you can do a different kind of popup that will show up in vr when they launch

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and show up in 2d

sly elk Apr 13, 2018, 9:30 PM

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Oh, that sounds ideal

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I'll do that

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 10:58 PM

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@sturdy coral Do you switch pawns for that as well or do you just use one pawn?

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My setup involves two pawns, and I don't use the worn sensor I just spawn pawns based on which play mode is active

sturdy coral Apr 13, 2018, 11:02 PM

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@real needle just one pawn, I don't have all the same functionality between the two modes in place yet though

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It does switch to a different animation blueprint for others looking at you (one with ik, one without)

real needle Apr 13, 2018, 11:03 PM

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Ah so yours is for players, that's neat

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Mine is only for debugging

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And when I'm lazy :b

sturdy coral Apr 13, 2018, 11:06 PM

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yeah I have a different one for debugging that is more simplistic, just motion controllers attached to the camera

rocky nimbus Apr 14, 2018, 4:28 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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Anyone know what this is about? Very random

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I read up it's related to xCode / mobile development but I'm not developing for mobile and I'm not using xCode

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Error repeats a lot and the build fails

glossy agate Apr 14, 2018, 4:51 AM

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Looks like you have a sequence missing reference assets? You have cut scenes or videos anywhere?

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Or just a render missing something to capture

rocky nimbus Apr 14, 2018, 3:12 PM

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@glossy agate I have a video projected onto a plane for the intro splash screen but for video, that's about it.

wary onyx Apr 14, 2018, 3:27 PM

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finally got my ps4 sdk up and running

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cant wait to test it out

real needle Apr 14, 2018, 4:14 PM

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hello all! I don't have any headset, can i start by buying just the 2 VIVE controllers, to learn in UE4?

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or do they work with the headset?

fleet plume Apr 14, 2018, 4:31 PM

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you'd also need the basestations (lighthouse)

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if you order directly from htc that'd cost you 600 euros

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which is more expensive than the complete vive package

glossy agate Apr 14, 2018, 5:47 PM

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Anyone have a link to the docs for voiptalker? I can’t find it for some reason. Just forum posts

glossy agate Apr 14, 2018, 6:54 PM

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@rocky nimbus Yeah thats probably whats broken. Try removing that event and see if it packages

rocky nimbus Apr 14, 2018, 7:04 PM

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@glossy agate Just tried a brand new project and I still get the same errors

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I got a BIK license though, excited to try that later tonight if I get this fixed

glossy agate Apr 14, 2018, 7:06 PM

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nice!

cosmic shoal Apr 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

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@rugged canyon Boura#0661 To learn to develop in VR get a Rift, it's pretty cheap now. I have a WMR headset and they are even cheaper than the Rift but have some annoying quirks while developing.

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I swear I can never tag anyone succesfully.

quiet badger Apr 14, 2018, 10:10 PM

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so I'm trying to do a thing, but I'm not exactly sure how to approach it. I have a camera in my level that is just a camera that is attached to the HMD. On my game pad I can call set world to meters scale in increments of 200. What I also want to do is when that is called I want to reset the location of the chaperone in relation to the game map. So when I scale down I can trace down or get my current x and y and the chaperone will be in relation to where I have walked on the map with an offset to the origin.

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this is something I could probably do in the standard vr pawn no biggie, but I do not have a pawn for myself just the camera.

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is there a function for setting the location of the chaperone or do I need to make an actor with the chaperone attached???

rocky nimbus Apr 15, 2018, 12:24 AM

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@quiet badger I could be misunderstanding but based on what I gathered, how would the player know their boundaries if you artificially manipulate their chaperone?

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There's a node to reset the HMD orientation which will basically take the player's current location and set that as their new center

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I used this in 4.16 for PSVR and there was no way of undoing this with accurate values (not sure if that's changed since)

primal sky Apr 15, 2018, 12:29 AM

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@wicked oak how goes the dungeon? let me know if you ever want to partner up with someone who is willing to pound the marketing side out. 😃

quiet badger Apr 15, 2018, 2:35 AM

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@rocky nimbus yes misunderstanding. I figured that what I want to do can be done by tearing apart the teleport code from the vr example

rocky nimbus Apr 15, 2018, 2:35 AM

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@quiet badger Good to hear

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p.s. if any of you PSVR lads runs into the lambda tracker errors during clang compiling for package or launch, it's an SDK incompatibility 😫 a whole day wasted

mighty carbon Apr 15, 2018, 2:20 PM

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I wonder if PSVR (with new motion controllers) comes out before PS5

wicked oak Apr 15, 2018, 2:32 PM

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no chance

mighty carbon Apr 15, 2018, 2:46 PM

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:(

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I guess Sony is going to milk current PSVR as long as possible

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Perhaps even make PS5 compatible with current PSVR hardware

wicked oak Apr 15, 2018, 3:10 PM

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doubt that

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if they make it, developers will have to support old psvr

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and would make ps5 games shit

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they need to break backwards compat (in hardware) for vr games

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so devs can start to actually use 360 degrees of tracking

fleet plume Apr 15, 2018, 3:11 PM

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though weren't there rumors about new psvr this autumn?

wicked oak Apr 15, 2018, 3:11 PM

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what could happen is a PSVR headset that sony says will support PS5 when it launches

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and it just runs on ps4 too

mighty carbon Apr 15, 2018, 3:29 PM

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That's what I said @wicked oak

wicked oak Apr 15, 2018, 3:31 PM

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i dont think ps5 will be compatible with psvr 1, would complicate development way too much

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but psvr 2 being compatible with psvr1 games? most likely

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that way, if a game is for ps5, its for psvr2, and forgets about psvr1

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and then players that have psvr2 can play every game backwards compat

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixSVQwLaZw&feature=youtu.be

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DigitalFoundry

PlayStation 5: When Can Sony Deliver A True Generational Leap?

We've seen some reports suggesting a PlayStation 5 due this year! It's not going to happen, but realistically just when can we see the 6x to 8x leap in power...

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given that it havent been invited to this year playstation DevCon, i think they might be trying to keep stuff under wraps, not inviting the pesky indies with a huge mount xD

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so basically ps5 confirmed, at least for the bigger devs atm

mighty carbon Apr 15, 2018, 3:45 PM

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So big devs already got dev kits for PS5?

rocky nimbus Apr 15, 2018, 4:35 PM

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Can someone confirm if these are correct:

r.maxscreenpercentage X```

dusky moon Apr 15, 2018, 6:36 PM

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I'm preparing to package my VR project to Steam... It supports both Oculus/Vive... do I have to disable Oculus plugin for steam or not ?!

wicked oak Apr 15, 2018, 7:17 PM

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no

full junco Apr 15, 2018, 8:31 PM

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@granite jacinth are there still issues with 4.19?

glossy agate Apr 15, 2018, 8:53 PM

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@full junco I havnt had issues, but a lot of other people are it seams like. Guess poor editor performance is happening a lot

full junco Apr 15, 2018, 8:58 PM

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ok

granite jacinth Apr 15, 2018, 9:07 PM

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@full junco meh. It's a mix of good and bad

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I am only hoping future hotfixes will alleviate the biggest issues soon

full junco Apr 15, 2018, 9:08 PM

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and what are the biggest issues?

granite jacinth Apr 15, 2018, 9:08 PM

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If not..oh wells, 4.20

abstract forum Apr 15, 2018, 9:26 PM

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16814992

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I find it interesting to note that the core fuchsia OS comes with "magma", "escher" and "scenic", which seems to be core OS services for composing one 3D scene across multiple processes ("shadows can be cast on another process without it knowing ...

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VR / AR operating System

full junco Apr 15, 2018, 10:11 PM

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@granite jacinth and what are the biggest issues?

spring mirage Apr 15, 2018, 10:33 PM

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has anybody else had issues with button release events not firing on vive? It doesn't happen too often but it's pretty annoying when it does

granite jacinth Apr 15, 2018, 10:43 PM

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I haven't kept a list

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Editor issues, blueprint compilation manager and various different VR performance degredation.

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To name a few

full junco Apr 15, 2018, 11:03 PM

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@young banectorBurgos#0001 and what is "various different VR performance degredation"?

abstract forum Apr 15, 2018, 11:24 PM

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https://80.lv/articles/a-new-vr-sculpting-tool-by-foundry/

A New VR Sculpting Tool by Foundry

Have you heard about project

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https://store.steampowered.com/app/730550/Kanova/

Steam

Kanova

Kanova is a simple, easy to use, VR enabled, 3D sculpting application. It uses the patented 3D Adaptive Distance Field (ADF) technology developed by Foundry. Unlike other tools on the market, Kanova can be used in pure VR form, for creative explo...

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sinful bobcat Apr 16, 2018, 5:58 AM

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is it possible to check if you're running VR?

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i mean, not wether its available or not, but if you're using vr preview or regular (non vr)

harsh cedar Apr 16, 2018, 6:01 AM

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yes, look at the VRExpansion sample content

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@sinful bobcat

sinful bobcat Apr 16, 2018, 6:06 AM

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ok thanks

jaunty shell Apr 16, 2018, 7:13 AM

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hey VR heads !

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To all devs using WMR devices, what should I know about to make sure my Vive projects are fully compatible ?