@fleet plume yeah i read that too, and can't find an option in my bios to change USB behavior, but tried all USB3 ports i have (i got 2 PCI mounted hubs + the ones on motherboard)
#virtual-reality
eternal inlet
eternal inlet
lol
it might be USB related in some way... i just don't recall changing anything + i did a complete re-install of my PC
fleet plume
wasn't there a rather big update of SteamVR today?
or actually 2 days ago: https://steamcommunity.com/games/250820/announcements/detail/1663387635432946811
2nd comment: "i need a roll back... it cost me 2 day to find out what wrong im on 1080ti and every app stutter and reprojection after this update! roll back please!"
fleet plume
lol damn
eternal inlet
thanks @fleet plume im now almost certain that's the cause! Im reading through the comments on that thread, and lots of it seem consistent with what i see
fleet plume
you're welcome 😃
eternal inlet
aha, switching to the openvr-inputemulator-temporary branch actually worked! ❤
fleet plume
is that a UE4 branch?
didn't find it on github, also that would've meant that UE4 is the problem
mighty carbon
is it possible to add custom console commands without editing source code ? (for like, cheat codes and stuff)
sturdy coral
mighty carbon
that's not as simple as typing "god" to turn on God mode :/
sturdy coral
the console isn't there in shipping builds anyway
sturdy coral
you'll have to modify code to reenable it I think, or build your own in UMG anyway
then you can call the command god or whatever else
@mighty carbon how were gearvr users supposed to type in the console anyway, bluetooth keyboard?
mighty carbon
nah, for PC
I have bluetooth keyboard, so I could technically use it when testing/debugging the game
wicked oak
im using behavior tree to implement boss patterns ATM
my mistake on behavior tree for DWVR is that i kept too much data on controller and BT. This new architecture just reads the relevant values from pawn components
so if i want to make any enemy do melee attacks, i just give him a melee combat component, and some attack animations/data on it. The behavior "melee combat" reads that and performs the attacsk
eternal inlet
@fleet plume no it's in Steam, under Library/Tools/SteamVR/Properties/Betas
fleet plume
i was wondering how one would load older releases/branches; guess the password is only mandatory for some of the branches then...
glossy agate
You could just do like alt+g or something to set a bool to false to stop taking damage though
glossy agate
This is VR though. Gotta do cheats through secret gestures like a spell
wicked oak
i literally have a debug panel on the wrist
mighty carbon
do you type on it @wicked oak ?
mighty carbon
ah, I see
umbral star
I have an issue:
My shipped(!) game starts in VR, although I don't have a VR Device.
I however want the game to be toggleable between VR and non-VR. how do I do that?
sonic lake
@umbral star You may have the Start in VR option checked in your project settings
umbral star
it is disabled
sonic lake
You can toggle to / from stereo mode using Enable HMD
umbral star
Thank you, -nohmd starts the game with a mono screen.
Enable HMD doesn't work though
I read it only works if HMD is connected/available
umbral star
no, i don't want to emulate. I do not have a VR device right now. But I want to have the possibility to play in VR if I have one.
sonic lake
But that is what Enable HMD does. A sample logic is in the FPS template.
umbral star
I see. I will look into that. Thanks 😃
granite jacinth
asfdsadf
this has been frustrating me to no end.... has anyone expereience their HMDs (right now the Vive) has full control of the camera in game, you can see it more
BUT, in the HMD itself, it doesn't load the game
wicked oak
ive only ever seen that in Vive
granite jacinth
It's been happening to me lately
Yeah, well, I'm on the Vive now, can't remember if I got it before on the Rift
wicked oak
i think it was some weird ass vive settings or similar
i dont remember ever getting that issue on Rift
except in one case
multiplayer
multiplayer vr is all sorts of fucked
granite jacinth
It only JUST started happening, and I haven't messed with any settings. SO I wonder if the SteamVR update did something
wicked oak
due to how the window input gets handled
granite jacinth
Hmm
Also, only seems to be an Editor issue
Cause I just checked out Pavlov earlier today
(Also was using it before in Editor, but it's just randomly deciding to not work)
glossy agate
That only happened to me when I was trying to record with shadow play
granite jacinth
meh, not trying to record, just test stuff in editor 😭
Why does it have to be so hard 😉
Why can't shit just work right all the time
Especially EXPENSIVE SHIT
glossy agate
What did you think of pavlov weapon handling?
His BR mode is coming out soon, and I guess he has gotten up to 30 players on before getting any lag. Should be pretty fun if it gets a decent loadout inventory system made for a BR gamemode
granite jacinth
@glossy agate Meh, I didn't like it
I don't like picking up object with trigger
and then triyng to drop stuff was horrendous
I was fumbling around forever until I found out it was a two-button thing
(accidently)
glossy agate
Yeah, it’s wonky cause sometimes you shoot while trying to frantically grab a gun
And the guns felt floaty.
granite jacinth
Yeah, hopefully after integrating this VR Toolkit into the game
I can start working on actual additions
Not refactoring/restructure/redoing shit
glossy agate
The sawed off shotgun reload is sweet though. Where you flick your wrist up to close it
granite jacinth
Oh nice, I didn't play it long
I just started it up and stayed in the starting area
glossy agate
Yeah that’s not long at all haha
granite jacinth
I had really hoped Weapon Master would have been a good buy
wicked oak
@granite jacinth you mean mordentrals plugin?
im using it on my new project. a small part of it
he really has great stuff
granite jacinth
@wicked oak VRE is his plugin and it's great
I tried to integrate Weapon Master VR BP pack
but that shit was not happening
wicked oak
mostly becouse i was lazy as fuck about implementing a pickup and replication for something like the 6th time
granite jacinth
It's too messy and overcomplicated and I would have had to redo 50% of that pack
Waste of my time
Turns out, VR Toolkit is much more simplified in its approach and easier to integrate into a project
wicked oak
C++ "pretty much everything components" way
main ether
Yeah i tried VRE a long time ago , too. It was a bit inadequate..
@granite jacinth you mean VRTK for Unity?
granite jacinth
I would say something snarky, but I guess I could see how you could have made that mistake, but it still wouldn't make sense since I was talking about integrating something into VRE 😉
And this is UE4
main ether
I know , i know
But thats what the Unity project is named 😃 It's now discontinued
Have a link to the UE4 VR Toolkit, or is it "VR Gun ToolKit " ?
tired tree
@main ether inadequate how?
you talking about Expansion Plugin?
because i'm curious what it was lacking if that is what you meant
generally its more people not understanding something
rocky nimbus
'Only Tick Pose when Rendered' - does this mean it'll tick when the camera can see the skeletal mesh or when the skeletal mesh is not culled but may not be visible (behind a building, for example)?
main ether
@tired tree Sorry to say, i used it for a project almost 2 years ago. I just got back to UE4 and I will give it another spin
granite jacinth
yeah it was probably poop 2 years ago
I've been using it pretty consistently for about 1.5 years now
I still am finding new shit everyday about it
It's pretty good once you actually know the inner workings of it
Makes you rethink some of the stuff you've already implemented
He's also always adding new stuff
So, that's my problem, I don't read
😉
Once in awhile he'll make a video
main ether
BTW, this is different from the VR template available in new blueprint projects, right?
granite jacinth
I think he should do that every few weeks hahahahahh @tired tree ????
But the baby might be getting in the way
glossy agate
its not on marketplace
granite jacinth
But yeah, I think there's a lot inside the plugin that's a bit of a mystery because it's not "documented" really well at the moment
main ether
OK
tired tree
yeah i don't think you are talkign about the same thing
main ether
I know i'm talking about VR Expansion because i still have the proiect sitting in my projects folder 😃
But I think i also used what has now become the official VR template which was mostly blueprint
main ether
{
"FileVersion": 3,
"Version": 1,
"VersionName": "1.0",
"FriendlyName": "VRExpansionPlugin",
"Description": "Adds several new VR features & components to UE4",
"Category": "VR",
"CreatedBy": "Joshua (MordenTral) Statzer",
"CreatedByURL": "",
"DocsURL": "",
"MarketplaceURL": "",
"SupportURL": "",
"EnabledByDefault": true,
"CanContainContent": false,
"IsBetaVersion": false,
"Installed": true,
"Modules": [
{
"Name": "VRExpansionPlugin",
"Type": "RunTime",
"LoadingPhase": "Default"
}
]
}
tired tree
thats not two years :p
main ether
about 15 months 😃
tired tree
you might have used the template that proteus made?
it included the controllers
back then
main ether
No idea ... 😃 As i said i will definitely give it another spin
Are there any example projects for it?
main ether
Cool
glossy agate
Yes. There is a list of games that use it there too if you have tried any
main ether
I'm making a mountaineering game, was kinda preparing to write everything myself but do you think there is something i can leverage in VRE for that?
tired tree
doesn't matter
main ether
Though if theres something i can use to switch between pulling yourself and using your hands
tired tree
its a directed movement mode
you control it
granted
its less useful in single player
tired tree
as you can do it a multitude of ways in SP
main ether
This will be SP
tired tree
don't need anything complicated for that
main ether
Yeah i know
But ice axes will be mountable to your belt or something
So being able to grab and release them as physical objects will be useful
For example if you grab an axe, hit the wall with it, the object should physically collide with the wall , and depending on impact get mounted
tired tree
yeah, that is easy, you just have to figure out when to release then though
main ether
I implemented a prototype of this in Unity by creating a temporary configurable joint in case of a successful hit, so you dont really release it, after its stuck you are now in movement mode. you can dislodge it by wiggling it ,
@tired tree what base would you recommend me to extend for player and ice axe respectively ?
will probably have a 'ice pick class' that has a collider and deals with the lodging/dislodging
main ether
the problem is to decide what to do when one hand's axe is lodged and the other is free, not even sure how that works IRL
neon dove
Is there a way for a Player Pawn's body mesh to move ahead of the camera, then resync them afterwards?
jaunty shell
you'd need the camera to follow the body instead of being a child of it
not sure if that would add latency
neon dove
So the body would need to be a separate Actor, and the Camera would be the player Pawn?
Or just be a scene component that's not under the Camera?
sonic lake
@neon dove There has been a recent discussion on the forum covering this setup and alternative ones: https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/vr-ar-development/1427345-3rd-person-motion-tracking
neon dove
Thank you very much!
neon dove
Hmm that kinda helps, but maybe this would work as well ?
https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/animation/122928-skeletal-mesh-mover
dusky moon
Any 1 knows if there's a way to avoid Oculus store to run when I stop VR Preview ?! it's really annoying and sometimes really hits my editor's performance
sonic lake
You mean that it pops-up and its taskbar icon flashes?
dusky moon
no I mean when I pull up headset / when it's still on my head the proximity sensor thinks I'm in VR and it runs Oculus Home in the headset
so I have to completely put off the headset from my head
sonic lake
I trick I have seen is to use the Compatibility settings for the Oculus application to activate Administrator Only mode (Run as Administrator) and with that it will never start automatically. Give it a try.
dusky moon
@sonic lake Ace man! Worked 😄 life is better
dull bane
Holy shit what a coincidence I've been looking for a solution for this for ages. God bless this discord. Gonna try when I get home.
dusky moon
I can't really count how many times this Discord channel changed my life! Let's go lol
soft beacon
Does anyone here use the VR Expansion plugin?
soft beacon
I am making a flight control stick for a fligth simulator and trying to figure out how to be able to grip it with both hands. When i use a second hand, instead of adding their movement together, it makes the second hand let go
I have a VRGripP1 and VRGripS1 sockets on the mesh
tired tree
i'll PM you
sturdy coral
@umbral star due to an audio bug, you need to use bStartInVR=false and launch with -vr when you want vr, rather than bStartInVR=true and -nohmd to launch 2d
bStartInVR=true with -nohmd == sound only comes out of oculus
frigid kite
Has anyone here experimented with the new temporal upscaling?
sturdy coral
@frigid kite yes, read up in the history a bit we discussed it a bit wednesday
minor hawk
Has anyone had much luck finding content on the marketplace that's scaled correctly for VR?
glossy agate
Yes. Pretty much everything I have gotten is spot on, or close to spot on. Noticed stuff like guns come out a little big in VR, so they have to be adjusted
minor hawk
what stuff have you gotten that's spot on? This one is the best I've seen at getting scale correct -https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/root-cellar
sonic lake
IMHO, it is not just the scale, but also the topology (e.g. small details), the materials (think of using the Forward Renderer with some of its limitations) and the impact on performance (triangles/polygons count, LOD's, etc.) In my experience, many "traditional" assets will look ok-ish in VR, as long as you don't get too close to them or start interacting with them. Some goes for most foliage/trees/organic objects in general. If they are not specifically designed with VR in mind they will hit your performance right away.
full junco
I try to just get the stuff with highest possible detail, no matter how expensive the rendering is
can always reduce its detail later
wicked oak
i try to mantain performance over all the development
so while i create a level ill make sure to never be on bad perf
full junco
I wish more stuff on the marketplace would have 4096+ textures
its just very easy to get very close to meshes in VR
wicked oak
but then people complain that the textures are overkill
full junco
why would anyone complain? its super easy to limit the texture to a higher mip level if you want less
you can set that for every texture in UE4
so ideally all textures should be 8192 and you then set the value you want there
cosmic shoal
It depends on the size of the objects in question too. The biggest problem we face is for large stuff. (buildings floors, ceilings) To maintain performance you should plan out your textures so you have a small repeating detail texture that can be seen upclose but since it's repeating it doesn't have to be so big. and a larger one for the over all features. Or other similar tricks, like having two textures and mix them with another to avoid repetitiveness. And lastly to use decals to add details like stains scratches graffity etc. Using those tricks in combination you can avoid using large textures most of the time.
glossy agate
@minor hawk I have like 5 or 6 environment packs and they were all right. Have 4 or 5 weapon packs and just the guns were a little big.
mighty carbon
do you think Go will be released right after Ready Player One movie premiere or at GDC ?
wary roost
Can I insert and editing geometry within the VR mode? I couldn't figure out how to place shapes and the website tutorials seem to mention upcoming features over a year ago.
also is it possible to increase the resolution of the text on the VR menus? most are super blurry
shell karma
anyone doing AR stuff wit ARKit please have a look here, trying to solve an issue
https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/vr-ar-development/1430910-arkit-app-not-launching-after-some-time
supple lotus
Hi peeps!
We've found a very interesting bug. When we are playing our level in VR (4 player local coop game), the 4th player joining always is in a wrong position and rotation, while the HMD Position prints the correct values. Here's a tiny pics to describe what's actually happening.
wary roost
hey Clawsome are you able to work with geometry from within VR in UE4?
supple lotus
As in?
Here's the image of what's happening
If the headsets are not rotated towards the game forward direction, then the 4th connecting player will end up in a wrong location and rotation, even though the HMD tracking gives a correct world pos/rot.
IF all the players face the game forward direction, no such issue happens. And please don't tell me the solution is to tell the players to look in that direction 😄
Rest of the 3 has perfect rot/loc compared to the real world positions
sonic lake
Interesting. Why 4? Or does it happen only from the 4th up?
supple lotus
We only got 4 VR here to test. Always happens to the 4th player
No matter who logs in the latest
real needle
hey all
anyone familiar with algorithms for calibrating a VR Camera in game, based on 3+ known points in the scene?
What i need to achieve is to adjust the actual camera height in respect to a predefined camera height (known distances to the points).
This is neccessary due to changing users in a seated experience using the OculusCV1 with 1 tracker.
wary roost
@supple lotus i mean when in VR mode in the editor can you scale, deform, add, etc geometry?
in the VR editor menu when i click on shapes they don't pop into the space for me or maybe i cant figure out the controls
supple lotus
Sadly no idea, I'm just using VR for the games themselves, not for the editor. I'd need to spend too much time to get used to it 😄
sonic lake
@wary roost In the VR editor you can move, rotate and scale actors. You can also add them from the Browser.
There is a full section in the official documentation. Search for "VR Mode".
@real needle We develop almost exclusively seated experiences but we always use Floor Level as tracking origin. In this way you can swap users but they will always see the world from their respective seated height. Or did I misunderstood what you are trying to achieve?
real needle
@sonic lake Hey Marco, Thanks for the reply.
Well, using the floor height isn't an option with the Oculus running with only one sensor, is it?
The scenario will be an application for a trade show, where the users will sit within a real car (sensor inside), and there is supposed to be a quick recalibration of the virtual camera in order to optimize the matching between the physical and the virtual world
mighty carbon
where do you still find Rift users with only one sensor ?
tired tree
he just stated that its for a specific application motorsep....
mighty carbon
why not to use 2 sensors ?
tired tree
Regardless, if its a seated experience, why can't you just zero to initial location and offset camera to where you want the head?
real needle
therefore we have default camera locations (centered to the car's seat headrest) to reset the view to. but this doesn't apply to people of different heights
tired tree
If you want the height
real needle
@tired tree Thats what we do, but the offset of different body heights definitely is enough to tamper with the perception
tired tree
retain roomscale
get the height, and offset to a foot location
its what I do for my "car" seating (alternative...main enforces same head position)
when sitting it will retain their seperate head heights then'
I assume you have a chair setup and want it to feel aproximate
mmm
sonic lake
@real needle Where did you get that you need two sensors for Floor Level tracking?
sonic lake
For a seated experience it should be fine
tired tree
Otherwise height is approximated without outside information.
wary roost
@sonic lake I mean while editing maps I can't seem to stretch, extrude, or otherwise create geometry to build a map with while in VR mode. Thats what seems to be missing and i'm hoping its not missing. Being able to create content directly in VR is what i want; not use the pc interface.
How do i place geometry in VR mode if it can be done? I can't find any clear information that it works.
sonic lake
@wary roost Start by going through the official documentation here: https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Editor/VR/index.html Most of what you are asking is explained there. I am under the impression you have not yet discovered the Radial Menu, which is the way to access the functionalities you need.
wary roost
thanks though thats the same problem im having
yes it has those functions but not extrude, distort along 1 axis, or place new geometry
so its very difficult to actually build an environment within vr
its more like we can move stuff around at the moment and decorate with meshes
ive been using an app called Anyland that has amazing fully immersive design function but its entirely additive sculpture with set shapes
sonic lake
UE4 is not designed to be a 3D modeling environment, in VR or out of it.
wary roost
i was hoping unreal engine would have some more advanced features for snapping, adding vertices, etc
no i know that
but for basic world geometry it should be as fun as the old editors were right?
sonic lake
You can block-out a level using BSPs
wary roost
yes BSPs i forgot what they were called thanks
i used to make BSP levels
i want to make some lower poly BSP environments for a VR game project which i can do fine in desktop mode
its just that modeling something like that in a VR environment is so much better
my worry is that not a lot of developers and designers have really had time to model environments in VR yet
with the right toolset it kicks desktop modeling's ass so hard
im looking into importing OBJ builds from anyland and google blocks
sonic lake
You can import OBJ's into the Browser and then place them in VR as needed. Resize, stretch, scale, snap are all available..
wary roost
shit im getting excited; hope this works out decently
do obj files retain their colour and possibly shader information?
sonic lake
A VR mesh editor was introduced at GDC 2017 but I have lost track of it. Need to check.
wary roost
thanks a lot for your time; i appreciate it
dusky moon
It really starts to piss me off this VR mirror everytime I want to record a video of my VR stuff. It's so zoomed in and my hands (controllers) is almost invisible unless you put them infront of your face.
dusky moon
@tired tree Hmm I was thinking about it... was just worried about the performance drop but should test how it ruins my fps while recording. seems like the only viable solution
tired tree
its temporary anyway and you can scale down the render target
dusky moon
yeah right, I loved the Idea of handheld camera though 😄 only if it could have some kind of stabilization to avoid camera shake. would be best
granite jacinth
HMmm
How do you get SteamVR to register the damn Windows MR HMDs after downloading the SteamVR for WMR?
mighty carbon
I wonder how Epic monetizes with Fortnite
tired tree
crates
glossy agate
There is a full fortnite game for sale. BR mode just has micro transactions
glossy agate
In BR its just cosmetics you pay for. If you wind you get 1 free item, but I havnt gotten anything else
sturdy coral
@sonic lake @wary roost this is the branch from gdc 2017 with geometry editing tools: https://github.com/epicGames/UnrealEngine/tree/dev-geometry
@granite jacinth do you have other headsets plugged in at the same time or just windows mr? it just picks it up for me and auto launches mixed reality portal if it isn't up
granite jacinth
@muchcharles#2724 I did, but then I unplugged Vive
I guess Rift was still there, but that plugin is disabled in the project
Meh, I still wish there was an easier way to dev with multiple HMDs on one PC
I just got a HDMI switch, which will help for that one HDMI slot on my 1070ti
And means I can finally get my 3rd monitor back
But, too many damn USB ports
wary roost
@muchcharles#2724 that github link is a 404 for me 😦
glossy agate
@wary roost you probably have to be signed in to get it
sturdy coral
@wary roost search "ue4 github", it will tell you how to link your accounts to get access to engine source
@tired tree you need to build one of these with that slider tech 😃 https://i.pinimg.com/474x/f1/df/3a/f1df3ae9664280de18349c60476c5a08--best-baby-toys-learning-toys.jpg
tired tree
@sturdy coral good idea, I can have VR babysit my toddler then
wary roost
I managed to import a couple of test models as OBJ from Anyland and i'm happy to see they work! problem is the colours are a bit different and the gradient shading and effects like metallic sheen are missing. Any ideas?
cosmic shoal
objs don't have shading information, so no.. no ideas
wary roost
ok thanks, for my first project i may just keep it simple then for speed and convenience
fleet plume
while running your game as PIE, is there a flag to check if the game is being run normally or in VR preview?
sonic lake
Via Blueprints: Is Head Mount Display Connected and Is Head Mount Display Enabled
sonic lake
Yes. Check the FPS template and how it handles VR vs non VR.
supple lotus
So the 4th character issue still persists no matter what we try. Anyone got any idea at least where to look? :/
fleet plume
@sonic lake after including "HeadMountedDisplay" as dependency in the build file, UHeadMountedDisplayFunctionLibrary::IsHeadMountedDisplayEnabled() does the trick
it's false when in regular PIE and true when in vr preview PIE
sonic lake
@wary roost Not sure how that materials were defined/exported, but sometimes it is necessary to tweak them in UE4 to match its PBR roughness/metallic workflow.
@supple lotus I am still wondering why 4 and not 2 or 3 or 5. This may give you a hint on where to look.
Anything hardcoded which assumes you have max 3 players and doesn't update properly once the 4th one comes in?
supple lotus
No, it's all dynamic, the systems are built in a way like it could support 50 PCs and VIVEs
And we are wondering about the same thing 😄 If it was the 5th, that would be amazing because we plan 4 players! 😄
sonic lake
But then it will work anyway because you never have 5 players 😉
Did you try to reproduce it on a minimal project?
This may give you the confidence that the problem is within the Engine and not in your code.
Or viceversa of course.
tired tree
Is it a random 4th player every time or is it the same system?
if its the same system are you sure that the room setup has the same forward direction?
supple lotus
4th random player
tired tree
that image you posted above looks like a 90 degree rotation on the playspace
supple lotus
Yes, it looks like the orientation is being set wrongly
tired tree
well you said that the HMD loc is correct
which means that your pawn is rotated then
center of play space = pawn zero
supple lotus
If we set "Reset Orientation (Yaw=0.f)" for the grip buttons, log in, have a wrong position/rotation, THEN physically rotate in the real space towards the forward direction, and press the reset, it replaces and rotates the char back to proper position
However, we cannot figure out what rotation to feed into this system, because the HMD loc and rotation is presented in real world place properly, whlist the actor is in a wrong pos/rot
supple lotus
they spawn in center with 0-0-0 rotation
supple lotus
Yes
I'm saying that a "temporary workaround" is this manual reset call
however that's more than sub-optimal, as we cannot expect players to always push up the HMD and reset themselves if they get in a wrong pos/rot
tired tree
well its all relative to the room
supple lotus
or if they do it by accident during gameplay.
supple lotus
it's literally a Spawn at 0-0-0 on rot/pos
tired tree
otherwise they would be offset in the steam homne too
supple lotus
nothing else
Everything else is offsetted/rotated by the engine doing something for the movement/orientation from the HMD
tired tree
engine literally sets it to relative space rot/loc == api loc/rot
unless you reset
then it adds a permanent offset
supple lotus
It's sadly being screwed up without any manual reset/rotation/locating set
tired tree
it wouldn't be the engine
if its 4 players
but random
so all work
by themselves
the tracking is clientside
supple lotus
If they face the forward direction when the map travel occurs, it's perfect and nothing is screwed up
But we also cannot expect them not to look around at all until they are instructed
supple lotus
Only one and it's "random" as in the last one to finalize the map travel
can happen to anyone only depends on who becomes the last is how the engine orders the logins
if we init the map instantly, skipping lobby, and log in one by one, it's always the last
if we connect on lobby, and do a map travel, then it's the last finished traveller
tired tree
and after travel you've checked pawn rot?
supple lotus
0-0-0
as well as for location
so the actor itself spawns in the proper spot, proper rotation
supple lotus
yes
tired tree
do you use a root component
supple lotus
Yes, but it's not being moved
There is a camera, that is attached to the HMD
and the position of that camera to the HMD position
as well as the rotation of it
tired tree
just have bfollow ticked right
supple lotus
Camera -> Lock To HMD (True)
tired tree
aight, manually align a component in relative space to the read HMD location/rot
if that is also offset, then you are getting parent rotation
if it isn't, then the camera is rotating wrong
but that shouldn't happen ever
supple lotus
Yes
tired tree
if the HMD relative loc is correct, and all rotations are correct
supple lotus
0-0-0 for the root both for loc and rot
tired tree
there is no reason for it to be offset
you are working with hard values here, not that hard to check that the camera matches the same relative location
supple lotus
Yeah it's taking a time to build, distribute, test
Small update
doing a few tests, 2 of them goes bad now
one by small amount and one by extreme amount
tired tree
You dont' have bUseControllerRotationYaw enabled on your pawn do you
tired tree
because that resets the actors rotation
to the control rotation
if the control rotation is changing, it will rotate the pawn AFTER spawn
PlayerControllerTick->CheckControlRotation->RotateActorToFaceControlRotation
You can SetControlRotation to zero though
mighty carbon
interesting https://uploadvr.com/facebook-psvr-monterey/
also we might be getting 4.19pre5 before release prior to GDC
versed kayak
Hey guys, I posted in the blueprints channel about getting launch character to work with a VR pawn, which I have managed to do by reparenting the class from Pawn to Character, however this has caused the player height to stop working, and now my camera is stuck in the floor. Can anybody help me with how to fix this? I've attached an image of what I believe is the relevant part of the BP, which I have tried changing to "Eye level" instead of "Floor level" but that doesn't seem to work :/
tired tree
Change your VR root level, it likely is wrong now
also you will find many issues trying to use the character as is with roomscale
versed kayak
Could you tell me how to change the root level? Also do you have any tips on how to implement a launching mechanic without using Character as a parent class?
tired tree
literally can just store the direction / velocity you want and decrement it over time with gravityZ * deltatime
don't need to go into air resistance and all of that normally
the basic epic tutorial for VR has a root component for the camera / controllers that they offset in Z
its likely offset wrong now that you are using a character with a capsule
versed kayak
I'm pretty new to this so forgive me, I understand how to get the desired position, what I want is to point at a wall, press the grip button and be pulled/launched in that direction, how would I move the payer towards that location without teleporting them?
supple lotus
@tired tree Thank you, that was it. It did not get turned off in constructor as it should've
tired tree
@versed kayak Add location on tick modified by delta time, but that is all kind of VR unrelated. You might want to go look up some tutorials
@supple lotus since you are using a flat pawn and not a char, the control rotation isn't replicated anyway directly, might as well just untick that bool all together
supple lotus
Did, and all fixed. Thanks a lot 😃
mighty carbon
@tired tree did you get awarded channel moderator role or something ?
tired tree
he literally just posted that GDC likely means an extended preview
mighty carbon
and ?
tired tree
and you come in here "little birdie told me preview 5 before gdc"
every time they update anything
mighty carbon
so ?
tired tree
fine, you do you
but its meaningless
you already predicted .19 being out twice now
in here
mighty carbon
😃
mighty carbon
I guess I just want my mobile VR fix already
mighty carbon
Oculus is killing Gallery
all Gallery titles are being moved to respective sections of Home
(whatever category you submitted the app under)
@wicked oak ^^
wicked oak
i see
not sure of that, really
even if DWVR is under Gallery
not being in gallery was a mark of quality
consumers know that nongallery games are the highest tier
now everything is mixed, and all the games are mingled together
as the search options are garbage
mighty carbon
I wouldn't say that
there were a lot of quality apps in the Gallery
maybe it will be harder to get in now, in general
wicked oak
Gallery had a very arbitrary part
games had to be technically perfect, but also oculus had to like the game subjetively
mighty carbon
so, then why have Gallery at all ?
back when it all started, only apps that were hand picked by Oculus (and suited for masses) made it to the store
now it's more like Steam but without flooding, yet
tbh, when it comes to PC you are better off going solo, no Steam, no Home..
tired tree
no you aren't
even with the spam of games into steam, and the restrictions of home
people don't randomly go around searching for games anymore outside of the major players.
you would have to get one hell of a social presence in order to get a playerbase like that
people like their download and go, refund protection, community integrations
mighty carbon
it's arguable, especially for small indies.. You can always build foundation community outside of Steam, then release on Steam when you have non-random users..
even releasing on Steam requires social presence in order to see decent sales
cosmic shoal
People hate to give out their credit card numbers too, so they hessitate to buy anything ouside their current platforms.
mighty carbon
they won't be giving it to you, but to PayPal or Amazon or whatever payment processing service you choose to use
also, having SSL helps boosting confidence
cosmic shoal
not always, I bought Escape from Takov, and I had to give out my CC details, hated to do that, but I really wanted to play it 😃
(it's really good, and really frustrating too)
mighty carbon
I've done this before.. The only thing people wanted is Steam key (even though I offered DRM-free downloads).
wicked oak
@main gustn#6226 humble widget
you buy the stuff from a humble store account
they give 95% to the dev
and support paypal and other things like it
cosmic shoal
It is better for developers no doubt, (there was no choice for that on Escape from Tarkov tho) I do like Humble store for buying games.
Steam is a bit greedy to be honest
mighty carbon
@wicked oak do you know if UE4 imports glTF with anims already ? (multiple anims, like FBX)
wicked oak
it doesnt
only static mesh, and very, very basic
but when it works, it works a LOT better than fbx
wicked oak
4.20 most likely, but GDC will have news on it
ue4 actively supporting GLTF is huge
becouse it means RIP fbx
if ue4 and unity support the format, the format dethrones fbx
wicked oak
do you have that software?
im in need of animations, but honestly making mannequin compatible anims with blender is...
hard
i know how to animate (and i have to animate myself to have the exact gameplay i want)
@mighty carbon
mighty carbon
I do, but I haven't touched it since beta was over
also, I have never tested exporting Mannequin compatible skeleton (don't really care for that) - bones orientations might be different from Maya
wicked oak
i mostly want an alternative to blender animation that works with fbx 😦
without being maya wich is 6k dollars
mighty carbon
I like Akeytsu.. It's well designed imo, although it has no constraints or anything fancy - it's aimed for all out hand-crafted animations
mighty carbon
It has IK for arms and legs
glossy agate
@mighty carbon exporting and putting into maya is super easy. I did that for my hands, and it saved a lot of time
wicked oak
if i was going to do purely mechanical anims
i would probably try to use houdini
after all it still keeps all its procedural weird shit even for bone animation, so you can create highly overkill rigs if you want to
mighty carbon
Blender is good enough for mechanical anims
wicked oak
blender is great at everything
its just fucking FBX
that i dont want to deal with
becouse FBX support in blender is extremelly finnicky
keep in mind blender is an animation software at its core, its meant to do animation, and has lots and lots and lots of focus on that
cosmic shoal
In my tests with exporting lightwave animations FBX for unreal didn't work either, but Alembic did. I dunno if that is viable in Blender.
mighty carbon
@wicked oak if you try Akeytsu, I am sure you will say Blender isn't that awesome 😉
mighty carbon
I am not sure how people do archviz in VR - the scale feels off and playing with World to Meters doesn't help :/
plain glade
Hello, hello . There's a question about VR . I tried develop a VRET(Virtual Reality Exposure Therapy) project. So there should be one player which will wear VR Glasses, and the other one will send some commands such as start scenario, give some sounds etc. . I ve already did this system with WebSocket. But I dont want use 2 computer. and I couldnt add live streaming system for now. Is there anyway to use this system in one pc? Because if unreal project window is not selected, the fps getting worse. I read somewhere about VR Spectator. But someone said same thing about fps.
pearl tangle
@plain glade you can do it now with the spectator mode fine, just make sure you reduce the resolution and framerate of the spectator mode for the screen. Or if you aren't using a camera view for the spectator mode then it wont matter you can just put a umg up there
plain glade
@pearl tangle you mean with 4.18? and if I want what the hmd users see I can do it with render target I guess. Am I right?
pearl tangle
you can just toggle between the different camera view and the hmd view straight away. Or just update the position of the camera to the HMD camera and change it to somewhere else if you want
plain glade
@pearl tangle ty for answer. I will do it with 4.18
mighty carbon
@pearl tangle have you done archviz for VR by chance?
pearl tangle
Patches of it but nothing major yet
mighty carbon
Do you happen to know why scale feels off in VR, even though geometry is built 1:1 scale ?
mighty carbon
@pearl tangle ^^
pearl tangle
It shouldn't.
Although I haven't done any of that with the rift only with the vive and scale always feels perfect. Have done photogrammetry and tracking things with vive trackers and it matches properly no worries
tired tree
It shouldn't feel off at all unless you have your IPD calibrated incorrectly
mighty carbon
I haven't tested in Rift, but in Gear VR it's off :(
Not sure how it's connected to IPD
I should probably model existing room, just make sure
tired tree
IPD being off changes your eye perspective, the perceived scaling is off of that
it changes the convergence of them on objects, so you perceive the scale differently
You also have to realize that GearVR is aproximated height
you need to make sure your camera is the right height or that also will throw things off to how you are used to them
jaunty shell
oshit MWC is next week already
"Another technology innovation is Adreno Foveation, which combines graphics rendering with eye tracking." woah a consumer ready eye tracking on mobile headsets before high end PC ? 😮
mighty carbon
sounds like it
jaunty shell
neat
sharp swan
eye tracking, or as I like to call it, Fingerprints 2.0
mighty carbon
ooh, it looks like pre5 might have a fix for multiview
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon FOV should be unrelated to scale. Don't ever touch FOV in VR.. you have to go out of your way to do it
Even with the right height if you are sitting while the camera is at your standing height it can cause a scale illusion where everything feels a bit off
mighty carbon
nah, I don't mess with FOV.. Just wondering about it, since Gear VR has lower FOV than Rift/Vive
glossy agate
@mighty carbon Do the starter content doorframes look off too? You can compare your house models against that.
mighty carbon
@glossy agate was it in some project from the Vault ?
glossy agate
Nah, its just the starter content you can add when making the project. Has the doors, frames table and that little statue ect.
mighty carbon
nah, I usually create projects without starter content
plus, I made queen size bed and that's what looks off the most
glossy agate
Same, I just know those are scaled correct, so its easy for a fast comparison in case you have any glaring issues
mighty carbon
well, measuring in UE4 yields correct dimensions in cm
so there is no way my geometry is off
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon mordentral asked but I wasn't sure from your answer
Did you set your ipd in GearVR settings?
If that is off by 5%, scale will be off by 5%
fossil stratus
Hi Guys, I took a break from VR stuff for a bit and now I'm thinking of starting a new VR Project. In the past I was using Mitch's VR Lab Template. Would you still recommend that now or is there something else I should use as a starting point?
tired tree
@sturdy coral Secretly Motorsep is an iguana and its off by a lot
sturdy coral
🐲
tired tree
Also damn you, I ended up buying my son one of those bead slider toys. I forgot how much kids love those.
mighty carbon
@sturdy coral there is no way to adjust IPD on Gear VR
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon I thought there was software adjustment in one of the setup menus.. guess not
You could find out if they are using 64mm or whatever and then change world to meters by the same ratio as your ipd is to 64mm, but don't leave that in if you are shipping to users
I know you said worldtometers didn't help though, but did it really have no effect?
mighty carbon
I set WtoM to be 200 and ended up with tiny model of controller and 1/2 of my original camera height.. But as far as geometry scale, it didn't seem to change the way I expected it to change
cold siren
@tribal sandtorstep are you finding this on GearVR only?
I have a use case that suggests that scale is off in ue4 as well
with RIFT
scale is off by a very small factor though
@mighty carbon *
mighty carbon
I haven't tried this project with Rift (since the goal is to have it on mobile VR)
it's not an issue with project that don't require to match VR scale to reality as close as possible
lol, new Gear VR has 100 deg. FOV
raven halo
new gearvr?
mighty carbon
2017
raven halo
oh shiet, i thought you might have been referring to the one the ywill announce soon
I mean, with the S9 around the corner I'm assuming there will be a new one?
right?
mighty carbon
I don't think they will - S9 is in the same body as S8, so S9 should fit 2017 Gear VR
from what I've read S9 is literally S8, but with new SoC
S9+ has different cameras though
real needle
mighty carbon
Sooo, didn't I say last year it would be nice to have IBM Watson integration ? I did, but Unity and not Epic implemented it https://80.lv/articles/ibm-unity-present-ibm-watson-unity-sdk/
😦
proper osprey
Hey, Im doing an arch viz project in vr and I was wondering if I can reach for better quality (texture, polly count, etc) than usual. Since is a small apartment and it doesn't have a lot of meshes in view at the same time. Thanks!
like using 4k texture for a few objects, increasing lightmap resolution
violet musk
If you go too hard you might need sublevels if you wanna package to an .exe, to keep that in mind
mighty carbon
4.19pre5 no longer crashes with multiview on 😃
granite jacinth
Yo
Anyone have the Acer WMR dev kit? And can send me the driver?
I decided to delete all instances of WMR to try to unfuck whatever was going on (wouldn't work in SteamVR mode for games/editor even with the extension)
And....the POS W10 won't register the HMD at all
sturdy coral
@granite jacinth are you connected with a displayport adapter?
granite jacinth
@sturdy coral nope
HDMI
I killed off both my Vive and Rift from my rig too
Just to make sure those weren't interfering
I just don't understand it, I googled the hell outta it. And there are a few things about it...but the only solution is "plug it into a new USB"
I tried all 20+
Uninstalled Portal, rebooted. Plugged HMD back in.
I just don't get why they can't make stuff that works for everyone the first time :)
Dunno, sent MSFT a ticket and posted on forums.
I will see if I can find a contact over there directly. I mean, every "set-up" video makes it look easy. And for the majority probably will be. Those that didn't have a Vive or Rift (or both) already installed.
But meh. Could be any number of reasons. But definitely wouldn't mind an easy way to start the download again for the initial WMR.
Can't find a way to do it. Make sure that I have all the files needed.
dusky moon
So I'm using this VR Spectator Screen in 4.18 and noticed this annoying bug with RenderTargets :
https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-51811
Is there any workaround for this ? can't really figure out how to capture proper 1920x1080 without a headache.
cosmic shoal
@VictorBurgos#7534 I could not get WMR headset to work on my system no matter what I tried, I was in windows insider edition of windows 10. formated and reinstalled windows 10, let it update and it worked first try.
pearl tangle
that is concerning. I just bought 5 of the damn things last week hah
jaunty shell
looks sturdy 🤔
cosmic shoal
What ruined the first one would ruin any vr headset.. Sun got to the lenses and the magnified sun light burned the screens. seen it mentioned on rift and vive
shell karma
@dusky moon had the same thing happening in 4.19, haven't found a workaround sadly
happens with 4k output aswell
dusky moon
@shell karma yeah it's sad. It's targeted to be fixed on 4.20 and until then we can't use more than 1280x720 for the Rendertarget resolution ... beyond that the Black bar appears
I recorded a video using 1280x720 and the texts look like shit
shell karma
I know your pain
jaunty shell
just saw once more that HI5VR + tracker + Orion demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjdpJD4MLDc
damn
modern ether
Hi, is there a way to keep Steam VR from turning on whenever I start up UE4? I know of the developer start on app launch checkbox, but I turned that off and closed Steam VR and it's still doing it...
full junco
ok, so someone who moved from valves VR stuff to oculus
mighty carbon
that's not how I see it, but okay
full junco
"not how you see it"? lol, I just cited a fact from his website
mighty carbon
eeh, people move from one company to another
what if he moved from Valve to Sony instead of Oculus.. Would that be different ?
wicked oak
people move from company to company all the time
in fact, if you dont, you are an idiot
of course, dont hop company every year, but every 3-4 years, sure
full junco
it would be a different move, because its a different company, but why is that relevant? @mighty carbon
wicked oak
such is the life of a mercenary programmer
i think im going to advertise a PS4 porting help in unreal forums and reddit. What do you think could help?
basically to port indie games to PS4, maybe publish them myself
for a price
mighty carbon
sure.. Just make sure to mention you don't sign agreements or NDAs 😉
wicked oak
i dont sign NDAs for free, and every one i would sign will get read by a lawyer
as part of a commercial contract? sure NDA is fine
as long as its not ridiculous
mighty carbon
well, what if the contract doesn't pan out ?
you have to sign NDA first, then you see what they ask of you and only then it either becomes a contract or it doesn't
wicked oak
usually i have the NDA as part of the commercial contract itself
and i allways read contracts very well, plus i have a family member who is a lawyer (some uncle)
so i give that to him to review too
mighty carbon
and if you aren't willing to sign NDA for something that might or might not come to fruition, how do you expect to secure a contract ?
wicked oak
thats why i wont sign an NDA at the beggining, unless its for a big contract
full junco
there is nothing bad about signing NDAs about stuff @mighty carbon
wicked oak
@full junco its becouse he wanted me to sign one and i refused
a while ago
same thing with Zaptruder and his VR stuffs
mighty carbon
@full junco I don't argue about that 😃 I have no issues signing them. Vblanco does.
wicked oak
he wanted me to sign an NDA to try his VR demos, and i was like "hell nah"
wicked oak
becouse i take the NDAs very seriously
so i would only sign one as a very serious thing. Like something that actually NEEDs to be NDA-d
full junco
I dont take anything seriously 😄 but I read what I sign, and when its not relevant enough I am too lazy to read it
wicked oak
like PS4 documents for example
i read the 50 page PS4 agreement several times
and then sent it to the lawyer
mighty carbon
gameplay mechanics need to be NDAed, because if not, nothing stops you from "borrowing" them.. Same goes for lore/story.
full junco
@mighty carbon no, thats stupid
full junco
everyone is allowed to copy gameplay mechanics or ideas etc
wicked oak
if they had art
mighty carbon
but, if you have no concept of what you are to borrow, you got no way to execute it
full junco
the important stuff is the implementation, not the idea
wicked oak
but everyone has ideas about stuff
mighty carbon
indeed
wicked oak
im very open about actually analizing every game i play
mighty carbon
except some ideas are great, some - not so much..
wicked oak
and play every competitor game
or games that might share functionality/features/concept
to see why they work in that game, and if the features would work in mine
wicked oak
for example, im looking at Warframes AI system for wave management and enemy spawns
mighty carbon
that's why you simply ripped off Minecraft and made it into a VR game, right @full junco ? 😛
wicked oak
but then, my dungeon generator is more inspired by Diablo 3
and for the combat im taking some clues from skyrim vr
full junco
@wicked oak well I didnt
wicked oak
but thats not good, really
full junco
just because its voxel doesnt means its related to minecraft in any way
wicked oak
you should alllways investigate every game that might be close to what you have in mind
see what works and what doesnt
and how it relates to your game
full junco
yeah, should. I just cant get myself to play games
wicked oak
this is from the hacknplan of the Aquila project i just scrapped
i have a section, at the GDD stuff, where i analyze games that might be relevant
to see what could work and what doesnt
if there is a feature i like, i rip it off directly
and logicallly, take in mind that works badly in another game precisely to avoid doing a similar mistake
full junco
I dont do plans
wicked oak
my plans exist to get broken
mighty carbon
so, how does one make games if one doesn't play games? Paradox...
wicked oak
i just write stuff that comes to my mind
so a few days later i can go back and read it
full junco
@mighty carbon you make games by writing code, not by playing games 😛
wicked oak
but you need to do some "design"
i do it to an overkill degree becouse im not that much of a designer myself
so i approach design from a optimizers/engineer standpoint
full junco
my players are the "designers". I just execute
wicked oak
analyzing other people works, taking what i like and would fit, and learning from their mistakes
the issue is that this works well with the features themselves, but with things like level design and art it plain doesnt work
so i hire people to do that for me
full junco
well I chose to make a game where I dont need level design or art 😄
I currently have some super weird issue...
when I enable the "OnlineSubsystemSteam" plugin, my game no longer runs in VR when packaged (neither development packaged nor shipping packaged). it just runs as if "Start in VR" would be false. so the console bar is at the bottom of the game window etc
doing "stereo on" does nothing
the game runs as if it would have no clue that VR even exists
anyone has any idea what that could be and how to fix it?
disabling the "OnlineSubsystemSteam" plugin makes it work
I would guess enabling the "OnlineSubsystemSteam plugin somehow breaks the SteamVR plugin
but why?
@sturdy coral @tired tree do you have any ideas?
wicked oak
not my case
ive ran SteamVR and Subsystem steam without an issue
to have multiplayer vr htrough steam with a vive
tired tree
dunno, only ever saw the reverse, the subsystem breaking when steamVRHomeBeta was enabled
and that was just if it wasn't launched through steam
since home takes the auth there
full junco
running "development" config from VS doesnt work, running packaged dev locally doesnt work, and running packaged shipping from steam also doesnt work
always broken when the OnlineSubsystemSteam plugin is enabled
tired tree
well its default enabled in engine
so literally everyone else is running them side by side
full junco
I had it disabled since forever for some reason
but now I need it, so I enabled it and saw this issue
tired tree
did you update your SteamVR module but leave the steam subsystem one outdated?
the newer steam subsystem allowed for some module changes
they are tied together somewhat
full junco
@tired tree oh, thats a freaking good idea...
I did update the SteamVR SDK a long time ago
this is where it fails
tired tree
yeah, remember back in the day they had to manually load the SteamVR .dll because the steam subsystem was outdated
you don't need to do that anymore
full junco
"back in the day" was when?
tired tree
mmmm, i don't remember the exact switch off, i think i was about to finally remove my dll loading around 4.14
or .15
full junco
I'm on 4.15
tired tree
"Removed OpenVR direct dll bindings due to 1.39 steamSDK update in 4.16."
nope was 4.16
tired tree
yeah, thats my commit note
i'm actually not sure they themselves ever went back and refactored
full junco
but why can that make the OpenVR initialization fail?
tired tree
oh they did
full junco
hm
its failing in the code I screenshotted because VRSystem is nullptr
the VRInitErr variable is "VRInitError_None"
so openvr doesnt give any error
tired tree
vrsystem is loaded from the dll load in the module
full junco
thats the code that should not return a nullptr:
its in openvr.h
or more exactly the VRSystem() call:
I don't feel like that code tells me anything...
what can make that code fail?
tired tree
if openvr isn't running is usually the only cause
full junco
is it that some dll is not correctly loaded? and how can I check if its loaded?
steamvr is running
hm
@tired tree look at this:
I commented out the "return false" so that the code does just continue
since the VRSystem is set again below
and that makes the game run in VR correctly I think...
tired tree
check that LoadVRModule is successful
the first call directly accesses the vr::
which they didn't used to do
full junco
I dont see LoadVRModule anywhere?
full junco
and I have breakpoints there that were never triggered
so loading the module always worked
full junco
ok
I wonder if anything bad can happen by ignoring that VRSystem is nullptr at first
after that second assignment, its perfectly valid
tired tree
well the pointer is validated
so it should be fine
the generic interface one that is
but without init, it shouldn't work correctly
tired tree
weird shit
full junco
the EVRInitError enum has a billion errors available
tired tree
yeah i know, i use it
full junco
so when its VRInitError_None I would assume that OpenVR is happy
happily returning a nullptr...
granite jacinth
silly talk in this channel sometimes
full junco
@tired tree hm, I think it doesn't work in shipping config...
development packaged does work
development shipping does not run in VR
tired tree
Do you not have your app id setup? Steamsubsystem fails to load in shipping without it unless you are running it from the steam install @full junco
for from desktop you need the app_id.txt
full junco
Steamsubsystem failing to load should not cause anything bad for steamvr though? @tired tree
full junco
yeah
glossy agate
You going to be generating the worlds on a server then adding the players into it? @full junco
full junco
@glossy agate I'm not doing any multiplayer stuff at the moment
game is singleplayer only
glossy agate
Oh. Nevermind. THought it sounded like you were adding in MP
full junco
just need steam being loaded for screenshot stuff
@tired tree I've uploaded the shipping build to steam and started from there, also doesn't work
full junco
I've just created a shipping build with logging enabled, and that one works...
super weird
full junco
it appears to be working fine in shipping builds without logging now too, so most likely it always worked in shipping builds after the "fix" of commenting out the return in that one function and it only didnt rebuilt correctly for the shipping build initially(edited)
pearl tangle
that shouldn't be too tough to do actually since it's just using the "finger tracking" from the touch controllers for it all
proper osprey
Does anyone know how to disable Oculus Home temporarily?
pearl tangle
@proper osprey kill the service for it
proper osprey
directly on task manager?
proper osprey
@pearl tangle Thanks!
pearl tangle
@mighty carbon yep i know. But that doesn't act any differently to taping any other camera to the front. You can see in stereo but it's not doing any hand tracking or anything
mighty carbon
I see
sonic lake
@proper osprey I neat trick is to set the OculusClient.exe application to run as admin (properties --> compatibility). In this way, unless you authorize it specifically, the Oculus Home won't start or even show when you wear your Rift.
fleet plume
i'am currently using the RunebergVRPlugin (https://github.com/1runeberg/RunebergVRPlugin) and kind of wonder if the way it's set up the capsule collider being parented to the camera does make sense?
Capsule collider parented to camera in VR pawn
when the camera is rotated, the collider obviously rotates with it, so when you turn your head sideways, the capsule collider also hangs sideways in the air 😄
i guess if i want the collider to keep it's orientation and only adapt to changes in vertical camera position, i'd have to either code that manually or add a separate collider for that?
how is everybody else doing that? e.g. are you applying head rotation decreased by some factor to the rotation of the collider so it at least somewhat ... leans in?
sonic lake
I believe this is by design to handle collisions in room scale VR. Which problems are you experiencing with this approach? Having the collider hang in the air is not necessarily good or bad per. It becomes bad the time it causes issues with your experience or discomfort to your users.
Regarding your question about how others are handling it, some time ago we had a discussion on the Unreal Forum about different options to implement a body with collisions etc. in room scale VR. Here the link to it: https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/vr-ar-development/1424747-vr-movement-in-real-life-to-in-game
fleet plume
@sonic lake i was using the center of the capsule collider as a target for aiming bullets as well as getting collisions/hits with the ue4 projectile component
if you turned your head sideways, the bullets would obviously target where your shoulders would be
thanks for the link, i'am gonna go read those posts
tired tree
If you only want the capsule for hit detection and not movement, there is a series of bools to unlock a child component from rotating with its parent, however that doesn't prevent the linear translation any (Z), so you would have to accept that or move it manually.
fleet plume
@tired tree i'am using a 2nd capsule collider for now which i move to a sensible position in relation to the camera/hmd on every tick
should be good enough for prototyping 😃
mighty carbon
ARCore is out of beta and is officially ver 1.0
however, Galaxy S6 is not supported... I am out of luck 😦
sharp swan
damn me too
might be able to find something on xda forums to allow if you are willing to risk bricking your phone :/
sharp swan
my missus has an s8. No way she will let me near it though. It's like a laptop to her. Shes never off it
mighty carbon
yep, same story
wicked oak
im getting a S9
if its allright
my iphone 6 is rusty as hell
the damn thing shuts off at 50% battery
battery completely broken
but if i try to change it, a full clean install has to be done
and a full cllean install would kill every book, every song, every app
so if im going to do a clean reinstall, ill prefer to just get a new phone and not use applle ever again
wraith sky
wicked oak
becouse you have no idea how deep my hatred for apple is lately
alpine ore
Arcore 1.0 available on github: https://github.com/google-ar-unreal/UnrealEngine
Wonder if this could can be added to 4.19
wicked oak
there is a huge chance thats why they are taking that long with 4.19
mighty carbon
@wicked oak or get S8, since it's proven and doesn't blow up 😛
I am still with S6 and I can't justify switching to S8/S9 (and since Go was announced I have even less incentive for upgrade)
alpine ore
Yeah 4.19 seems to be taking ages, Epic had a livestream yesterday regarding AR and didnt mention anything about ARCore 1.0
mighty carbon
4.20 is when it will be in
alpine ore
This is what I hate about Unreal, Unity ARCore sdk available already, simply download the package and off you go
sharp swan
yeah the livestream last night confirmed it would be at least 4.20 for arkit1.0
@alpine ore nothing stopping you from adding the SDK yourself. I think the main issue for Unreal right now is best practice related. They are getting it just right and I can live with waiting in that case.
tired tree
Lots of the packages go pretty seamlessly into managed languages already anyway
so easier to port to unity in the first place
alpine ore
Google seem to have built it though for 4.18.3 on github
So it won't have all the integrated AR functionality Epic have been building for 4.19
Just seen that 1.0 includes support for anchoring virtual objects to any textured surface, not just flat, horizontal ones, sweet
mighty carbon
well, we'll have it by summer in 4.20 😃
granite jacinth
Bullet Train... I thought they were all robots
Haven't played it in so long.
I definitely remember the end boss being a robot though. Not a school setting, not sure why the hate.
ARCore is something cool to be thinking about also.
pearl tangle
I have already done a bunch of prototypes with ARcore in 4.19. Managed to sell in 3 new projects with it off the back of a couple days screwing around. I will be getting beta access to the next 1 to test out the image tracking and vertical tracking too
violet musk
Also Hololens...
dreamy quartz
violet musk
out of respect... omg
sturdy coral
There was a Jesse Schell talk where he described bullet train as a mass murder simulator in a train station, and I think epic said in some talks that that was part of why they went all robot for robo recall
wicked oak
@sturdy coral DWVR is PEGI12/ESRB T becouse the enemies are random skeletons and/or cyborgs that dont really look too human
sturdy coral
Jesse Schell predictions list:
By end of 2017, media will blame at least one mass shooting on a VR game. "I'm looking at you Bullet Train."
glossy agate
Getting closer. Here is the new loot spawner system. Gives ammo for the guns the player has. https://youtu.be/B07nS4tIJ-E
trail shale
Can someone advise why the steam VR keeps trying to open up itself every time I hit the system button on the Vive? Extremely annoying and disabling dash/application startup in developer options did not help
Not using Firefox either
Before it would just open the dash, which is all I ever wanted
sturdy coral
@
@trail shale What is the dash vs SteamVR? You mean SteamVR home?
mighty carbon
why people keep saying 60Hz on Go is going to be horrible compare to 90Hz on desktop VR?
willow trail
Can anyone riddle me this. Checking the position/rotation or state of the transform at any point of this graph shows an identity transform. Yet it still sort of works, my camera follow the HMD as long as that Orientation pin is connected. It can do without the location (and still tracks location just fine), but disabling orientation fixes the camera to the screen. (executing pin is tick btw)
How come it always says 0,0,0 (and effectively if I store that value it will be Identity ) but somehow SetRelativeTransform still works? It's very late, so am I missing something obvious?
sturdy coral
@willow trail a VR camera's transform gets replaced by other code
Depends on some settings in various places
willow trail
I just called it VRCamera though, it's a regular old cameracomponent, is there such a thing as a VR Camera component?
real needle
Anyone successfully setup ikinema for vr?
After compiling my animbp, nothing even happens.
I've got my IK rig setup correctly and my character is calculating the transforms
But even editing the transforms in the animbp manually, nothing changes.
real needle
Using a solver works but the ikinema for vr doesn't
real needle
And after a restart it's working. 🤦
full junco
being able to manually take screenshots in the game and adding them to the steam screenshot library is very nice
without that all vr screenshots are ugly low res stuff, with such a manual screenshot you can take 8K screenshots that look great
sonic lake
@willow trail no, unless you use a plugin, there is nothing like a separate VR camera. It is a regular camera with Lock to HMD turned on. The rest is done when you play/start in VR mode.
willow trail
what does lock to HMD actually does? I don't see a difference enabling or disabling it
willow trail
I don't get how this simple graph : https://puu.sh/zvoDw/a3b3425b7e.png
Leads to the camera working properly, but still showing an identity transform on each tick : https://gfycat.com/VibrantWeightyAmurratsnake
willow trail
I managed to circumvent the issue somehow by using LockHMD (which actually did what you'd expect, but for some reason it doesn't always work properly if I don't start game with headset on).
Is there an upside to using lockHMD instead of setting the camera transform manually on tick? Or is it just a shortcut for people not to get sick while working out their transform compositions?
sturdy coral
@willow trail manually on tick means you won't get late updates
Just before the render commands are submitted, they are updated with the latest transform of the HMD on the render thread
If you do it on the game thread in tick they will be stale
willow trail
gotcha, that's a solid argument against it
tired tree
It also late updates anything you have attached to the camera
otherwise things attached to it lag behind during headmovements
only sad thing is that the camera transform doesn't update until GetCameraView, so during normal ticks its a frame behind
willow trail
oh, so if you needed to make, say, a bike simulation where you derive the rider's COM based on hand and head position, you'd be putting that weight one frame behind?
well I suppose I can attach it to the camera and position it how I want in relation to that
sonic lake
@willow trail When the VR camera is locked to the HMD, the relative transform of the camera component respect to its parent (Scene Component) is changed to reflect the position/rotation of the HMD in real space. The parent component stays where it.
If you spawn your pawn is 0,0,0 and only move the HMD around, you will keep getting its original position 0,0,0
tired tree
@willow trail in that case just sample the TrackedDevicePositionAndOrientation
should likely do that with the motion controllers too unless you set tick PreReq
regardless though, one frame delay is mostly not a problem for game logic
willow trail
@sonic lake right, now I'm struggling to sort out those transform compositions in my head, I can't for the life of me find a way to reset the HMD position to the bike without going overcomplex
@tired tree well I'm really pushing PhysX to it's limit, one frame delay at good speed still puts it 1m behind, but if TrackedDevice... can help with that it should be all good thanks
willow trail
yeah sorry I realized that afterwards, if my COM is attached to the camera that's no issue
tired tree
even then, the world location isn't a frame behind, just the relative portion of it
mighty carbon
heh, if new Gear VR will be 6DoF, that's going to be crazy
or it's one of those hype articles
granite jacinth
I don't get why they are still only one controller things though
Should have been two-controller minimum by now
wicked oak
@granite jacinth casuals
mighty carbon
well, stats show that mobile VR is most used for VR porn, thus one controller only is by design 😆
fresh laurel
I am more excited by the mirage solo
wicked oak
mirage solo is going to dissapear on nothingness
no one cares about daydream
becouse its kind of shit
basically cardboard+
there is no content other than shit tier stuff
fresh laurel
Kinda what I think about the Oculus Go