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wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:39 PM

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the gpu vendor does

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khronos only controls when a extension becomes "official"

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:40 PM

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so it needs to be come official, so that all vendors implement it the same way for all platforms

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:40 PM

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the way it goes is vendor extension -> multiple vendor extension -> "experimental" generic extension -> part of official core stuff

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:41 PM

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this way we won't have the same situation as on PC, where Nvidia has specific to Nvidia GPUs extensions and AMD doesn't

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@wicked oak there, take a read https://forums.oculusvr.com/developer/discussion/41100/gear-vr-vulkan-api-support-soon

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at this point I don't even care for Gear VR.. I think it will naturally die out in the nearest future. But Go has to have mobile Vulkan.

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:45 PM

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so......gearvr requires features that aren't specifically part of the vulkan api

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and oculus isworking to make an extension for it with them

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sounds like what blanco has been saying >.<

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:46 PM

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so, if Khronos won't take steps to make it happen, it won't happen

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:46 PM

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its not khronos lmao

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its oculus

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:47 PM

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"to make an extension for it with them" sounds like 2 parties

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:47 PM

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anyone can create a vendor extension

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without khronos having ANYTHING to do with it

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:47 PM

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thats like selling a tomato, and someone asked "why doesn't this tomato have a stick stuck into it already, I need that to eat it", "ok, provide the stick and i'll stick it in"

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:47 PM

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thats the whole point

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:47 PM

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damn, i tried to be too creative with that one..

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:48 PM

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🤦

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:48 PM

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working with kronos means that they are helping oculus

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oculus knows their specific requirements

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and have their hardware

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:49 PM

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what vblanco keeps saying that Khronos has nothing to do with it, yet you are saying they are working with Oculus..

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:49 PM

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they are helping them yes

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nice of them, I agree

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:49 PM

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which means Khronos is involved

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and thus has everything to do with with those API extensions

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:49 PM

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why

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its an oculus specific requirement

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:49 PM

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o.O

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yeah

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:50 PM

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oculus/qualcom can just do a vendor extension

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with the features they need

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and thats it

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goddamit Nvidia does it

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what do you think multires is?

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:50 PM

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but if it was only up to Oculus, Gear VR would have already had mobile Vulkan

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:50 PM

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multires is a specific set of extensions that allow multiviewport

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amd doesnt support them = no multires on amd

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:50 PM

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they are working on it, they specifically stated that

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maybe its not as easy as you think

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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if amd goes and settles on a common "multiview" extension, now both amd and nvidia can do multires

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:51 PM

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oculus staff said "we are working on it, be patient"

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 3:52 PM

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oh, maybe it's not easy.. but the point is it's taking forever.. That's what bothers me with glTF too. Maya/MAX is what devs, who bring Epic money, use. So it's more likely that robust fully featured glTF exporter will appear for those first and Blender will lag behind. The only way to make sure Blender is ahead or on par is for Blender devs to make it happen. Not Khronos, not another 3rd party.

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 3:53 PM

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vulkan in ue4 itself is also taking forever

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some things....take...time

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:59 PM

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those already support gltf i think

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godot supports it, unity supports it, sketchfab supports it

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 3:59 PM

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multires doesn't use any non-standard extensions

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:59 PM

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it does

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 3:59 PM

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amd supports the same viewport extensions

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 3:59 PM

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it uses nvida viewport extensions

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LMS too

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 3:59 PM

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multires does use custom hardware stuff

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I don't know in this oculus case, but sometimes when adding an extension I think a vendor will still work with khronos throughout on it to make sure it has a possiblility of eventually becoming standardized

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to make sure they don't make any mistakes that are particularly bad for a certain vendors implementation and could have easily been done a better way that would be performant for all

tired tree Jan 19, 2018, 4:02 PM

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gtlf having extensions itself is really damned nice

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 4:03 PM

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yup

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ue4 can add a "gltf collision" extension, for example

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or other fancier stuff

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more shader nodes, for example

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 4:04 PM

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@mighty carbon on "And I doubt Epic will give them any money": epic just hired that blender guy from several of the blender streams who was promoting gltf

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 4:04 PM

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he might be the guy on the plugin

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 4:04 PM

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yeah, quite possibly, around the same timing

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 4:04 PM

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plugin shows promise

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the fact i can export stuff from blender, and not have to deal with bullshit scale...

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and smooth groups exported well too

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im going to use it for all my static meshes

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 4:08 PM

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it would be nice if Epic would offer glTF plugin for Blender

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 4:20 PM

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that would have to be totally separate code from their own importer/exporter due to licensing

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they could cross license but as soon as the take contributions on the blender side those couldn't be integrated back in

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 4:21 PM

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any plugin/script for Blender has to be under open source license

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 4:22 PM

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it has to be under GPL specifically, right?

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 4:22 PM

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I am talking about add-on for Blender to export/import from/into Blender.. The code would have nothing to do with UE4 source code and UE4's glTF plugin's code

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yeah, GPL2.0

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 4:23 PM

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"nothing to do with UE4 source code and UE4's glTF plugin's code" then it isn't a huge fit for epic to provide really

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they could contribute some to the existing plugin maybe, but I don't see why they would make their own

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 4:36 PM

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just to make sure Blender users have no issues sending assets back and forth 😉

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 4:37 PM

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@mighty carbon there is already a official glTF exporter in blender man

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 4:45 PM

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@mighty carbon if there is any fundamental reason caused by the standard that GLTF needs a wholly separate "UE4 compatible" GLTF exporter made for blender aside from the normal GLTF exporter, then GLTF would have failed its goals as a format..

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 4:48 PM

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guys, you aren't getting what I am saying.. either you haven't worked with Blender long enough, or you didn't have to deal with exporting and maintenance of add-ons

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 5:53 PM

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I've been using Blender since 2005 and it's a f@cking nightmare when it comes to IO add-ons

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they always make small changes to the API and every time new version of Blender was released it broke almost all of the IO add-ons

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so the only way to make sure every new release has 100% working add-on is to have BF to include add-on into official add-on and maintain those.

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alternative would be for add-on author to have patience and dedication, and fix add-on upon release. Those are the shoes Epic could fill 😃

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 6:13 PM

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the rumor has it that mobile Vulkan for Go will be the thing in the next few month

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 6:29 PM

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https://forums.oculusvr.com/developer/discussion/comment/580012/#Comment_580012

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sly elk Jan 19, 2018, 6:31 PM

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holy shit GPU prices are awful right now

full junco Jan 19, 2018, 6:38 PM

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isn't the 1070 ti still available for acceptable prices?

mighty carbon Jan 19, 2018, 6:38 PM

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@wicked oak https://github.com/KhronosGroup/glTF-Blender-Exporter/issues/150

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Skeletal meshes + animation Actions support in the nearest future ? · Issue #150 · KhronosGroup/glTF-Blender-Exporter

I am wondering if this exporter will support skeletal meshes + animation Actions in the nearest future (for Blender 2.79).
Thanks beforehand

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 6:39 PM

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ue4 doesn't support importing them yet does it?

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 6:39 PM

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nope

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 6:39 PM

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this looks interesting, haven't watched it all yet but saw some mention of it in other gdc talks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjTU0yKS00

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IK Rig: Procedural Pose Animation

In this 2016 GDC talk, Ubisoft's Alexander Bereznyak breaks down the basics of IK Rig technology for animators, and explains how it can be used for everythin...

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I think it is more for using animations across assets with different setups though

wicked oak Jan 19, 2018, 6:41 PM

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@sturdy coral everyone knows ubisoft is a master at reusing animations 😃

sly elk Jan 19, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Where do I find what the different scalability settings for MSAA do? I can't find it in my engine BaseScalability.ini

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 8:40 PM

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@sly elk which ones, # samples is the only parameter to MSAA, right?

ripe vault Jan 19, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Is there a good, practical, up-to-date settings/best practices help sheet for Rift for 4.18.2? Other than the info Epic posted?

granite jacinth Jan 19, 2018, 9:29 PM

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@ripe vault Google

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Trial and Error

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Sweat and Tears

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If you have any specific questions, just ask though.

sturdy coral Jan 19, 2018, 9:52 PM

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@ripe vault the built in vr template is an ok baseline as far as rendering/post processing settings

ripe vault Jan 19, 2018, 10:00 PM

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@sturdy coral thx @granite jacinth yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. just trying not to reinvent the wheel. I had a lot of problems when making daydream version of my app. I figure that might be more resources for rift.

full junco Jan 19, 2018, 11:33 PM

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I finally made my game public!

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/619500/cyubeVR/

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cyubeVR

cyubeVR (pronounced Cube VR) is a virtual reality voxel game fully designed for roomscale VR.The world in cyubeVR is entirely procedurally generated. Enter a seed or let the game generate one for you, and explore a unique and detailed infinite wo...

Release Date

Jan 26, 2018

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trailer on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oTga5bWj4

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cyubeVR - Official Steam Early Access Trailer

Add to your wishlist now on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/619500/cyubeVR/ Join the community on Discord: https://discord.gg/rwJ6B7d Official Websi...

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granite jacinth Jan 19, 2018, 11:36 PM

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full junco Jan 19, 2018, 11:51 PM

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😄

glossy agate Jan 19, 2018, 11:55 PM

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looks like its going pretty well on reddit

full junco Jan 19, 2018, 11:56 PM

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not sure if you can say that yet 😄

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 12:30 AM

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r/vive really seems to like it more than r/oculus

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 12:30 AM

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That’s the one I was looking at

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I’m kinda surprised so many people are having trouble with the name haha. Maybe just because I knew it was voxel ahead of time I got it right away.

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 12:34 AM

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yeah, also surprises me

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 12:45 AM

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well not really

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I also don't like the name

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#1 I can't ever remember it

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#2 No clue how to pronounce it (this whole time until someone asked and you replied...)

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#3 it's lowercase start

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#4 You put VR at the end

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Which is also one of the reasons we are redoing our logos because I was like..."VR" sucks

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Just simply Contagion: Outbreak would do it

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oohh

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That guy gave great advice

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 12:48 AM

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especially the lowercase start is something many people also like

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 12:48 AM

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like?

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 12:48 AM

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@real needle tell him you like it

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 12:48 AM

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lol one person

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 12:49 AM

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you asked "like", not "give me a list of everyone"

real needle Jan 20, 2018, 12:56 AM

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I like it!

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I also originally read it as cy - yube, like cyber

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 1:12 AM

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Lol

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 1:37 AM

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https://www.cnet.com/news/windows-mixed-reality-headset-prices-cut-in-half-on-amazon/

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Windows Mixed Reality headset prices cut in half on Amazon

If $200 is your sweet spot for a VR headset and controllers, now's your chance.

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Hmm... Didn't know this until now..m

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Not bad....Never heard back from MSFT anyway

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 1:41 AM

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they've gone below $200 in some sales now

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I think $170 or $150 or something

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 1:46 AM

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That seems like a really good deal. Super affordable. Are the acer ones pretty good? (Besides being real ugly)

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 1:50 AM

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I think they are all similar, I have the lenovo

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@glossy agate main thing to watch out for is if you have a large or small IPD

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the lens sweet spot is tiny

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if you are 63-65mm or close you are probably ok

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maybe a bit more

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 1:52 AM

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yeah my head is pretty normal size

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 1:52 AM

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@full junco you are definitely doing really well on reddit, #1 on r/vive and #2 on r/oculus only second to a sort-of-official post that is controversial

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 1:53 AM

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@sturdy coral ok

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you guys can also retweet me now: https://twitter.com/stonebrickstud/status/954525577217826817

Stonebrick Studios (@stonebrickstud)

cyubeVR, a voxel game fully designed for roomscale VR, will be released on Steam Early Access on January 26! Add the game to your wishlist now: https://t.co/xjsAunMTON
@UnrealEngine @htcvive @oculus @nvidia #indiedev #HTCVive #OculusRift https://t.co/6Uj540tb4a

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tired tree Jan 20, 2018, 1:56 AM

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The MR headsets are actually pretty good for the price

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better than i expected

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 1:58 AM

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@full junco "stonebrickstud" sounds like a different kind of twitter account 😃

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 2:00 AM

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well, stonebrickstudios was too long 😛

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 3:32 AM

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Has anyone experienced an issue with rift touch controller zeroing out once you extend to the absolute maximum of either axis?

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the values, that is. the values appear to be zeroing out.

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 3:52 AM

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@ripe vault can you be a little more descriptive? 😃

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which values

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what axis

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are you talking about rotation

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or joystick?

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:00 AM

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@sturdy coral trying to implement a non-barfing version of some type of thumbstick locomotion using something similar to this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCS4rJYzoM . And my question is very similar to this person's question: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/525072/oculus-rift-motion-controller-thumbsticks-report-i.html . When I reach the maximum extension on either the X or Y axis (moving my thumb left/right or up/down) it goes from .99999 or -.9999 right to 0 and then my input stops and my movement stops. I jiggle it a little and then the values return and then I can start moving.

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sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:01 AM

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@ripe vault hmm, I've never seen that happen, but I do have drift on one of mine when not touching and had to adjust the deadzone

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:05 AM

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is the deadzone in the middle?

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or is the deadzone also on the outer rim?

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:05 AM

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yeah, I would just get a slight value at all times even when not touching

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it is in the middle

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there is a setting for it in the input component or somewhere similar

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:06 AM

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Well, that's not my problem. My problem is that when I go furthest away from middle I sometimes go from having a value to zero value

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:06 AM

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and one for the outer ring

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:06 AM

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seemingly at random

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Ah

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:06 AM

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where you can make a partial movement report as a full one

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but I don't think that would fix things for you

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:07 AM

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ok. Thanks anyway

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:08 AM

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@ripe vault ``` /** What the dead zone of the axis is. For control axes such as analog sticks. */
UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, Category="Input")
float DeadZone;

/** Scaling factor to multiply raw value by. */
UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, Category="Input")
float Sensitivity;

/** For applying curves to [0..1] axes, e.g. analog sticks */
UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, Category="Input")
float Exponent;

/** Inverts reported values for this axis */
UPROPERTY(EditAnywhere, Category="Input")
uint8 bInvert:1;```

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that's all you can adjust by default

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@ripe vault I looked at the code a bit, I don't see any difference in how the vive axises are handled than the rift ones:

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                        {
                            const FGamepadKeyNames::Type AxisButton = (HandToUse == EControllerHand::Left) ? FGamepadKeyNames::MotionController_Left_Thumbstick_X : FGamepadKeyNames::MotionController_Right_Thumbstick_X;
                            MessageHandler->OnControllerAnalog(AxisButton, ControllerIndex, VRControllerState.rAxis[TOUCHPAD_AXIS].x);
                            ControllerState.TouchPadXAnalog = VRControllerState.rAxis[TOUCHPAD_AXIS].x;
                        }```

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                            {
                                State.ThumbstickAxes.X = thumbstickValue.x;
                                MessageHandler->OnControllerAnalog(bIsLeft ? FGamepadKeyNames::MotionController_Left_Thumbstick_X : FGamepadKeyNames::Mot
ionController_Right_Thumbstick_X, ControllerPair.UnrealControllerIndex, State.ThumbstickAxes.X);
                            }```

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 4:13 AM

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may be running out of battery on the controller

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

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@ripe vault I would try running with -hmd=SteamVR and see if you see the same issue

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

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k

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

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@glossy agate ah yeah good thought

ripe vault Jan 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

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yeah good point

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:14 AM

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try other store games too and see if you see it, or just look at the controller animation in the oculus overlay to see if the stick jumps back to zero after a time

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 4:31 AM

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anyone get in on the sprint vector beta? Downloading it now to check it out

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 4:33 AM

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I keep wanting to find a better word/expression for running your game in "not vr" mode. What do you guys use? I've heard people call playing on a monitor vs hmd a "pancake game or pancake mode" just looking for something better. like how do you describe a game that can be played on an hmd or using monitor,keyboard and mouse. but "monitor, keyboard and mouse" seems overly wordy

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 4:50 AM

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mixed reality

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 4:59 AM

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Sprint vector was pretty fun. bit of a workout but its like mario kart in VR

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:22 AM

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@sturdy coral I think i was poorly describing what i was after. I mean what's a good consice word or phrase for how we used to play computer games that were not VR (like how we played skyrim or the witcher III. games that just use a monitor, keyboard and mouse) most of the things i've heard are too wordy or sound silly. like "pancake game". perhaps "traditional pc game" (again seems overly wordy) maybe standard PC game. i guess non-VR. The specific problem i'm trying to solve is naming functions and properties that support playing my mostly VR game without VR (like how you can play VRChat without VR or motion controllers but using a monitor and mouse). I guess I'll just go with "NonVR" i.e. SetupInputForNonVR(); but was curious if there was already a common term for it other than "pancake" which i don't like.

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:22 AM

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hah no, I was being tongue-in-cheek.. mixed reality is used for too many things

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:23 AM

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ah hehe gotcha 😃

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yeah isn't that the truth lol

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I like how UE4 source code calls their stuff "XR"

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:23 AM

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I just name stuff with 'VR' or with '2D' to distinguish in code

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even though 2D means other things

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:24 AM

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yeah.. i guess my game is primarily VR, i'm just including ability to use it without VR as well (mostly for testing/debuggin and not having to put the hmd on and off constantly)

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:25 AM

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@fleet veldt I have:

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    EVR_VR_VIEW_VR_CONTROL,
    EVR_2D_VIEW_2D_CONTROL,
#if FAKE_VR_ALLOWED
    EVR_2D_VIEW_VR_CONTROL
#endif
};```

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with FAKE_VR_ALLOWED not turned on in shipping

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probably not the best naming though, because I eventually want 2D view with VR controllers in shipping, but 2D view with mouse and keyboard emulating VR controllers turned off in shipping

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:28 AM

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Gotcha, so far I just have something similar to what they did in RoboRecall where i position the stationary motion controllers so that I can see them in my camera's view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5tuQp3JKdY&ab_channel=tmektmek

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tmektmek

VR Play Testing Without VR

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sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:28 AM

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yeah that's what I have when doing EVR_2D_VIEW_VR_CONTROL

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EVR_2D_VIEW_2D_CONTROL is more traditional FPS controls and will be in shipping

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(with FPS arms etc.)

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with seamless switch when taking off or putting on the headset

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Kind of a different topic but I've been wanting to explore having a "body" capsule that is moved both by continuous input (thumbpad/thumbstick) but also moved by where the HMD is within the playspace. However you want to allow the hmd to move somewhat independently from the "body" capsule if it's blocked by a wall. It almost seems like in order to do this you'd need two seperate actors or maybe it could be done by setting the camera's parent scene componet to not have local transform?

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:34 AM

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yeah, you can set bAbsoluteRotation and do some other stuff or not fully attach

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@fleet veldt mordentral's template has a couple ways of doing it, before the camera refactor I did it with a separate actor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T3o1DWa3O4

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Charles Alexander

New open-world movement system for VR (rerecorded to fix a frame rate issue)

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now I do most stuff with the player controller itself but at the moment the camera is on the character

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I now have the controllers on the player controller so that you still have them during respawns and they don't mess things up if you were in the middle of using the menus when you were killed, etc.

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also UE4 has spectators hardcoded to be pawns with a pretty rigid heirarchy and they can't be characters 😕

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:42 AM

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so with your seperate-actor solution when you move the body capsule via input you move the trackingorigin actor in sync with it, but when you move the body capsule via hmd movement you leave trackingorigin actor in place yeah?

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:42 AM

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yeah

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:43 AM

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that video is really cool, what are you using to capture your real world body?

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:43 AM

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kinect v2

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:44 AM

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wow surprised at how high the resolution is on it

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:44 AM

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yeah I think it might actually be a tiny bit smaller res than v1 but it is much less noisy

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and it has less depth shadows than v1

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and they totally discontinued it 😦

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and discontinued the PC adapter

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:46 AM

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yeah i'm guessing the price is blowing up because of that too 😦 it's $500 new on amazon

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:46 AM

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yeah.. so my support for that is pretty useless, I need to add support for the iphone depth api, but it is really low resolution

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like 128x128 or something, hopefully they can improve it over time. they said it is mostly processing bound

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it can take depth pictures are much higher res

fleet veldt Jan 20, 2018, 5:50 AM

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hah that video of you "running" around in your customized shootergame is awesome 😄

real needle Jan 20, 2018, 6:28 AM

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@sturdy coral Having controllers as part of player controller makes plenty sense...

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Hm wouldn't work networked though

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 6:29 AM

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yeah, networked I just replicate position and rotation

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controllers also have problems by default with visibility, they have a flag that hides them in editor that took a while to figure out: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/484698/renderable-components-that-are-attached-to-a-playe.html

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and owner-no-see owner-only-see doesn't work right with them, which shooter game uses

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 6:53 AM

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@full junco now you're #1 on r/oculus too, gg

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 6:54 AM

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oh nice, thanks!

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why do I see the amount of views on r/oculus but not on r/vive?

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 6:54 AM

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not sure, it might just be part of the css

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 7:03 AM

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@full junco count?

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 7:04 AM

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what?

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 7:05 AM

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you know

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them discord count

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 7:06 AM

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ah! 39

granite jacinth Jan 20, 2018, 7:07 AM

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gj

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 7:07 AM

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very active

solemn night Jan 20, 2018, 2:58 PM

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hey guys i need some help, i finished making a VR game but i don't know how to export/build for different platforms. my VR setup is a completely different place and i need to expert it in order to actually play it. do you guys know of anything to help with this

sturdy coral Jan 20, 2018, 5:00 PM

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@solemn night just click File -> Package Project

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 5:45 PM

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So, what's new people?

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 5:51 PM

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@mighty carbon my game is announced! that's new!

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 5:52 PM

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Oh, cool

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Got a link?

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 5:52 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oTga5bWj4

YouTube

Stonebrick Studios

cyubeVR - Official Steam Early Access Trailer

Add to your wishlist now on Steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/619500/cyubeVR/ Join the community on Discord: https://discord.gg/rwJ6B7d Official Websi...

▶ Play video

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 5:55 PM

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Pretty .... Minecraft? 😉

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 6:02 PM

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@mighty carbon look at the trees! look at the trees!

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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I saw.. Pretty. But what are the min hardware requirements ? I am sure it won't run on i3 and 1060

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 6:08 PM

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look at the store page

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min and recommended spec is listed there

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/619500/cyubeVR/

Steam

cyubeVR

cyubeVR (pronounced Cube VR) is a virtual reality voxel game fully designed for roomscale VR.The world in cyubeVR is entirely procedurally generated. Enter a seed or let the game generate one for you, and explore a unique and detailed infinite wo...

Release Date

Jan 26, 2018

▶ Play video

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1060 is fine, i3 is not

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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i tested it on my ryzen

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all cores get put at work

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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Damn

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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the gpu is fine becouse he implmented dynamic scaling

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so if you are lagging, it lowers res

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and reverse

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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the game will use 128 cores if available 😄

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:09 PM

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its gpu times were ok

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the cpu times were a huge hog

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for all the voxel generation

full junco Jan 20, 2018, 6:10 PM

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well you last played it before I optimized it a lot

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(CPU stuff)

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Gotta strike gold with this kind of game - Minecraft is still popular

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:12 PM

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meanwhile i wrote this ridiculous wall of text

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https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/7rr2xu/from_zero_to_psvr_how_i_developed_and_self/

From zero to PSVR, how i developed and self published a PSVR personal success. • r/gamedev

Im vblanco, from my own company that i labeled "Mad Triangles". Last September i published my new videogame, DWVR...

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Console dev (PS4/PSVR in particular) is royal pita

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:14 PM

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its $$$ with is all i care about

dusky moon Jan 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

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@wicked oak how does the scale of VR content buyers from PSVR compare to steam ?!

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:52 PM

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i say in the doc

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40k dollars from PSVR, 10k dollars from PC

dusky moon Jan 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

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in what time ?!

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

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3 months psvr vs 1 year pc

dusky moon Jan 20, 2018, 6:53 PM

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holy mother of !

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is there already some non gaming VR stuff there as well ?! like story driven stuff ?

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 6:54 PM

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yes

dusky moon Jan 20, 2018, 6:55 PM

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ok I'm getting enlightened haha

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I'm about to release my documentary vr piece on Steam. checked a similar content to mine in steamspy and it sold only 1000... not sure if steamspy is legit enough but that seems way too low

wicked oak Jan 20, 2018, 7:00 PM

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it seems about right

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im telling you steam is a disaster

dusky moon Jan 20, 2018, 7:04 PM

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the only headache would be extra optimization to target PSVR as I optimized it for Vive to run on a 980 GT...

mighty carbon Jan 20, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I'll wait for XB1X VR

glossy agate Jan 20, 2018, 11:48 PM

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Was trying to record a test with some Ai, but Vid is super choppy looking. Ran fine in game, but the recording looks shitty. Anyone have a trick? Im on OBS. May just be taxing on the PC or something. Ai is still too dumb so I need to go back and make the patrol on start. https://youtu.be/YoAHtHw18xM

YouTube

Ryan Schattner

AI test

choppy video for some reason

▶ Play video

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Im hella mouth breathing in the vid haha

cosmic shoal Jan 21, 2018, 1:00 AM

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try shadowplay instead of OBS

glossy agate Jan 21, 2018, 1:10 AM

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Yeah Ill try that. It used to not work for VR for some reason, which is the whole reason I got OBS. I see other people using it now though

ripe vault Jan 21, 2018, 2:29 AM

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@glossy agate @sturdy coral for future reference: it was a conflict with google vr plugin. I disabled the plugin and deleted the inputs/events related to it. I don't know if it was the plugin or the input/events, or both. but it's working now. Thank you for your suggestions.

sturdy coral Jan 21, 2018, 2:31 AM

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@ripe vault ah, I'll try and take a look at why it might be doing that

rocky nimbus Jan 21, 2018, 4:11 AM

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My overlaps aren't firing in a packaged project, but fire when in VR preview in editor

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Any idea why this might happen?

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It was packaged as a shipping build

granite jacinth Jan 21, 2018, 4:16 AM

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@rocky nimbus a million reasons

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Check logs

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Try in Development and keep em visible

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Actually...I think you can even have em visible in shipping...not sure...I know for sure print strings die.

rocky nimbus Jan 21, 2018, 4:39 AM

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hmm

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I only found out once I uploaded it to Steam, tests ran fine in preview

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Nothing stands out in the logs

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Only some warnings for missing assets (not being used anyways, just cached probably)

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I set up a weird system that uses a cylinder "laser-pointer" that basically checks for overlaps with text BPs and sets bools to 'Is Selecting A, B, etc." and then using the trigger will fire off certain events depending on which overlap is active

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The text changes colour when the overlap is active but it doesn't happen in the packaged game, clicking during the overlaps does nothing either

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Testing in a dev build

sturdy coral Jan 21, 2018, 5:50 AM

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@rocky nimbus are your text BPs pulled from editor content maybe?

rocky nimbus Jan 21, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Not sure what you mean @sturdy coral - I created text renders in my level, created BPs out of them each and then added trigger boxes inside the BPs to act as the overlap detection

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Then in my pawn I have the cylinder that detects the overlaps

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It all works as intended when I do VR Preview in the editor

sturdy coral Jan 21, 2018, 5:52 AM

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Should be fine then, just editor assets including some fonts I think can get silently dropped in packaged builds

rocky nimbus Jan 21, 2018, 5:53 AM

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Oh

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I did use a custom font I downloaded and imported

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But it appears in the packaged build fine

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I'm just using standard trigger boxes to detect the overlaps to then change the text colour and allow me to click on the BP to navigate the menu in VR

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I can't wrap my head around why the overlaps and functions work in the editor but not in a packaged build

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I packaged a development build with prints on the overlaps and they don't fire

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All of my collision settings are set up properly (hence it works in-editor VR preview)

stable shadow Jan 21, 2018, 7:44 AM

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Hello Guys, I've a weird problem with my VIVE, after two time of playing game in editor everything goes black and I've to quit my SteamVR application and run it again, sometimes during this close and start process i got error 119 and I've to close and open SteamVR again.
My VGA driver is updated and also SteamVR has latest update. I own GTX 970

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I tested with 4.17.2 and 4.18.3 and same result

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In older version like 4.13 or even in 4.14 everything was ok

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I've tested with a clean VR project template and same result

real needle Jan 21, 2018, 7:56 AM

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@stable shadow Is everthing still ok in the earlier versions?

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@rocky nimbus I used to have problems with custom collision channels in packaged builds, and had to use the default presets. But this was a couple of engine versions back

stable shadow Jan 21, 2018, 7:57 AM

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what do you mean by is everything ok in earlier versions ?

rocky nimbus Jan 21, 2018, 7:59 AM

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@real needle What do you mean custom? Cause I just use 'Overlap all Dynamic', the preset

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;/

real needle Jan 21, 2018, 8:03 AM

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@rocky nimbus Yeah not the same issue then

full junco Jan 21, 2018, 8:15 AM

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@stable shadow are you on steamvr beta or regular?

stable shadow Jan 21, 2018, 8:37 AM

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@full junco the regular

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📎 1.JPG

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by enabling DirectMode I've better result now!

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real needle Jan 21, 2018, 8:45 AM

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@stable shadow I'm asking if you can still use the earlier versions of unreal without issues

stable shadow Jan 21, 2018, 8:47 AM

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@real needle I don't have the earlier versions anymore to test again, but now after enabling the directmode i could play up two 4 times in editor then i need to restart the engine and steamVR , actually SteamVR restart function not working for me and I've to quit and then start again

real needle Jan 21, 2018, 8:49 AM

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@stable shadow reinstall steamvr

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reinstall your drivers even

stable shadow Jan 21, 2018, 8:49 AM

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Yes i did

full junco Jan 21, 2018, 8:50 AM

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"stuff goes black" is an issue fixed by the beta

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so if you have that, use the beta

real needle Jan 21, 2018, 8:50 AM

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what he said

stable shadow Jan 21, 2018, 8:54 AM

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I've found something new , this is new aftr enabling direct mode, the last time i could use hmd after stop i found this in log :
LogAudio: Warning: Current Audio Device with ID {0.0.0.00000000}.{345c5b87-db3f-4ffc-9641-547958adede1} was removed. Shutting down audio device.

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@full junco Same results with beta version

sturdy coral Jan 21, 2018, 3:06 PM

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@stable shadow removing audio device like that crashes the editor for me

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It happens with Windows MR anytime the device idles out, crash is a random chance afterwards

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I haven't had it with Vive but haven't tried lately

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Is there easy way to get the transform for the HMD/camera? I want text objects to look at it

sturdy coral Jan 21, 2018, 3:24 PM

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@sly elk the player camera manager class has a get camera proxy component node, and at least in c++ a get location/rotation

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The proxy node thing works regardless of if you are using an actual camera component or getting a camera view from elsewhere

dusky moon Jan 21, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Again I got this annoying perfomance hit on Oculus with 4.18.3 ... when I profile it's 12.5 ms ... but in VR with Oculus , STAT unit shows 42 ms ! my Nvidia driver is 388 and I opted into oculus beta while ago

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 5:48 PM

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Eventually there will be multiple pages of information for each part- including diagrams, but this is a good start: https://i.imgur.com/gswdbht.jpg

Imgur

mighty carbon Jan 21, 2018, 6:35 PM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Oculus_Dev/status/955138033094971393

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If anyone is interested in asking questions during Oculus AMA with Oculus dev

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 7:12 PM

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BP_SnapPart class are all static mesh actors. I want to get the static mesh component from them to plug into the set collision node. It seems like I should just be able to drag out from the class cast and get the static mesh component.. why can't I? And how do I accomplish this? https://i.imgur.com/4QUR85s.png

Imgur

tired tree Jan 21, 2018, 7:12 PM

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cast to the object, not the class

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 7:13 PM

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ohh, I see. So just cast to BP_Snap Part and that will work with all the child objects

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duh

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get all attached actors only returns 1 layer in a hierarchy, right?

ripe vault Jan 21, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@sturdy coral when setting up thumbstick locomotion similar to the video below, if I move using the thumbstick axis events, and press the touch controller trigger at the same time, the trigger seems to conflict with the thumbstick axis events. It will actually change the values when printing the thumbstick axis values, and it will actually slide me across the floor unintentionally. Curious if you've ever experienced anything like this? https://youtu.be/kGCS4rJYzoM

YouTube

Marco Ghislanzoni

Using thumbstick locomotion with the standard VR template - Unreal Engine 4

This step-by-step tutorial shows how to implement thumbstick (aka gamepad or joystick) locomotion as an alternative to teleportation in the standard VR templ...

▶ Play video

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This can be reproduced using the VR template epic provides.

sturdy coral Jan 21, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Nope, haven't run into that one

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Yep, have to run this loops twice to get actors and then actors attached ot them: https://i.imgur.com/9cWvZJW.png

Imgur

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Now my framerate doesn't take much of a hit when I wave around 200 parts in an assembly

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instead of implementing this in the base class im just doing it selectively on root objects that have a lot of parts attach to. This way players can still assemble and disassemble smaller stuff using two hands

ripe vault Jan 21, 2018, 8:05 PM

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@sturdy coral okay, Thank you.

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 9:02 PM

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vr.oculus.PixelDensity doesn't seem to work in the level blueprint? I added a delay node with a sound so I could see when it was supposed to trigger. I set it to a reallly low value so it would be obvious but it doesn't have an effect: https://i.imgur.com/dzAAoLm.png

Imgur

granite jacinth Jan 21, 2018, 9:07 PM

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@sly elk Unless Specific Player defaults to 0, could be that it's returning null

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I always do this stuff in Player Controller anyway

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But if I do it elsewhere, I get Player Controller

sly elk Jan 21, 2018, 9:10 PM

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makes sense. thanks

glossy agate Jan 21, 2018, 9:45 PM

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Can't you just leave that all in the players control?

glossy agate Jan 21, 2018, 10:46 PM

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📎 image.jpg

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First multiplayer test through steam worked! I was in VR and the other person was playing in 2D. Most everything worked like it should.

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Was just expecting the worst I guess but everything repped right.

ripe vault Jan 21, 2018, 11:52 PM

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@glossy agate good job!

rocky nimbus Jan 22, 2018, 1:38 AM

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Anyone know why a transparent material might interfere with overlap detection?

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I still can't detect overlaps on a packaged project, but can in VR preview in editor

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 1:39 AM

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I have the same problem. It’s intermittent though. I may just redo the inventory snapping system.

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I don’t think the material has anything to do with it. Seems like overlap events are just not great in VR

rocky nimbus Jan 22, 2018, 1:48 AM

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I just made a new pawn and a new button to overlap and it worked in a packaged build

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This is doing my head in haha

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The only real difference was one had a dynamic material instance with a transparent and animated opacity and the other had the default texture

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Both used nothing but a cylinder and a box trigger to detect the overlap

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I added the default mat to my main pawn and the dynamic instance one to the new pawn to see if they switch

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If they do, it'd be a strange bug

rocky nimbus Jan 22, 2018, 3:29 AM

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I just figured it out and it's definitely a bug of some kind

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📎 unknown.png

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When I check for an Overlap with this actor (the box detecting the overlap), it works in the engine but not packaged.

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But,

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📎 unknown.png

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When the Box trigger volume is moved and is a child of the root, it detects the overlaps when packaged and in-editor.

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I don't know why this happens, or what happens to the Box on package when it's a child of the SpriteComponent, but that was the default configuration when I turned the TextRender into a blueprint.

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Will submit it as a bug

real needle Jan 22, 2018, 3:54 AM

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@glossy agate First, it's really hard to quote you since there's many "ryan" here. But what I wanted to say is that you should let me know when you need help testing

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Awesome man! I’ll pm you here soon, fixing the initial issues we saw real quick

rocky nimbus Jan 22, 2018, 4:16 AM

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Anyone else have problems with inputs registering when the HMD is not on your head?

real needle Jan 22, 2018, 8:06 AM

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@rocky nimbus Only with the rift and when trying to simulate mouse clicks on 3dwidgets

rocky nimbus Jan 22, 2018, 8:14 AM

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@real needle Weird, on the rift in-editor and in packaged games I can only see the preview of the game when the HMD detects someone is wearing it, and I can only move the motion controllers + use the inputs when the HMD is being worn, too. I can fake it by holding the rift at the top with my finger in it but I can't use the MCs or the inputs without it

real needle Jan 22, 2018, 8:15 AM

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yup

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there's a console command to change that

jade saffron Jan 22, 2018, 10:02 AM

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Has anyone ever recorder hand animations with sequencer in VR? The Level Sequence plays nice and all, but the animation file doesn't have the actual hand movement animation.

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 2:40 PM

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@rocky nimbus grats with the release of your new game on steam

mighty carbon Jan 22, 2018, 3:51 PM

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https://www.pcmag.com/news/358655/to-combat-shortage-nvidia-asks-retailers-to-limit-graphics

PCMAG

Amid Shortage, Nvidia Suggests Limit on Graphics Card Orders

Nvidia asks retailers to only let shoppers buy two graphics cards at once, rather than selling them everything they have (for mining cryptocurrency, of course).

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finally, some wisdom

mighty carbon Jan 22, 2018, 4:40 PM

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https://www.roadtovr.com/dell-partners-meta-sell-meta-2-ar-dev-kit-february/

Road to VR

Scott Hayden

Dell Partners With Meta to Sell Meta 2 AR Dev Kit in February

Dell and AR headset manufacturer Meta announced a new partnership, allowing Dell to be the first third-party seller of the Meta 2 Augmented Reality Development Kit. Dell says that through the partnership, they’ll also be able to provide both the Meta 2 Dev Kit and the tools necessary to create immersive experiences to businesses involved in sectors …

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too bad they still don't offer UE4 support 😦

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 4:54 PM

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thats like a cheap hololens

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with the reflection

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i wonder how well it works

little nacelle Jan 22, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Hi there, someone can halp me on post process volume, I use a wrap post process material but it doesn't react well in the VIVE :

📎 unknown.png

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and it should react like this :

📎 1.gif

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 5:22 PM

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@little nacelle of course it breaks

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postprocess need to know about the 2 vr eyes to work on vr

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that postprocess uses the coords of the screen to warp it, but turns out vr has special needs

little nacelle Jan 22, 2018, 5:24 PM

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@wicked oak yeah I guess, but how would be the UV screen of the vive? what's the special needs?

tired tree Jan 22, 2018, 5:25 PM

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its split into two sections, one for each eye

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 5:25 PM

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do not use that thing

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it would look HORRIBLE in vr

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even if it worked

tired tree Jan 22, 2018, 5:25 PM

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that too

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 5:25 PM

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you are warping the view of the player, wich then is warped by the lens thing

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double warp

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jesus christ no

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in fact, postprocess is camera stuff, eyes aint a camera, nuke all of them

little nacelle Jan 22, 2018, 5:30 PM

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@wicked oak I know, I need to do it for a job though. Testing purposes. So if I just split the UV it should work then?

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 5:31 PM

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no

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dont do that thing

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if you got told, tell the employer/boss that those things will not work in vr

little nacelle Jan 22, 2018, 5:37 PM

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It's not this effect especially, it's a radial blur, but I was testing with this one because I already had it from the Marketplace. We've already discussed about the fact that those effect are not best practices in VR, but the effect has to be tested anyaway. So I have to get something that is visible in vr even though it makes the guy throw up 🤢

mighty carbon Jan 22, 2018, 6:34 PM

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https://uploadvr.com/epic-games-acquires-cloud-computing-company-cloudgine/

UploadVR

Epic Games Acquires Cloud Computing Company Cloudgine

Epic Games today announced that is has acquired cloud computing company Cloudgine for an undisclosed sum to work on Unreal Engine.

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 6:39 PM

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That could be really cool! Eventually you can just rent computer power and play any game on the cloud without needing an all new VR rig

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 6:40 PM

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@glossy agate its impossible to do

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you cant do low latency cloud gaming

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becouse there is this thing called "speed of light" lol

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the only way it could work (and ive thought really hard about the problem) is if the cloud render "streams" the next few meters of geometry

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with the light calculation painted on

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so the headset can still perform timewarp and similar things, as the fps from server would be unlocked from the headset fps

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the complexity of such a thing is though the roof

tacit quest Jan 22, 2018, 6:43 PM

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ya i'm not sure why people keep hammering that nail, i thought onlive was the definitive i told you so

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 6:43 PM

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Yeah I tried it with AWS before and it didn't work great haha. Was running UE4 editor on the cloud, on one of the better computers but it lagged hard

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Low FPS

tacit quest Jan 22, 2018, 6:45 PM

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although the crackdown 3 use of cloud computing is pretty awesome

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 6:45 PM

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If they find a way to make it work realy good eventually though you could potentially have cell phones running extremely heavy software, and huge power for stand alone VR HMDs

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 6:46 PM

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@tacit quest thats the thing, its literally impossible

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speed of light is a thing

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unless you have the server like in the same building

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and STILL its laggy

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look at Steam streaming and the like

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and thats inside the same house

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and its still laggy

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i should try to develop a proof of concept of my streaming mesh approach to vr cloud render

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but its so complex it would take me months

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i wonder if there are patents for it

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 6:53 PM

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Would internet speed be the biggest hinderance for now though?

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Seems like if you had super power internet it would be a smoother experience.

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 7:18 PM

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no

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its speed of light

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cloud gaming is doomed by the actual laws of physics

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this is how bad it is

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the thing i talked about for vr would be mostly useful for static experiences

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if you had to grab stuff with the hand it would have an unveliable amount of lag

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just think of it

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player motion -> player update frame -> message sent to server -> server receives it- > server moves object on the next frame->server renders object on the frame after that -> server sends graphical data back to player -> player pc updates the data->player pc displays the data

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100 ms minimum

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even if we assume message sent is speed of light

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or hell, even in LAN

mighty carbon Jan 22, 2018, 7:24 PM

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interesting https://80.lv/articles/tree-it-a-free-tree-generator/

Tree It - a Free Tree Generator

A powerful free tool by Evolved Software that is capable of generating customizable trees for real-time work.

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 7:35 PM

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I did run a 2D game on this before. latency was actually not bad. Was a simple arch viz project though, and the only interaction was changing the color of stuff. https://www.x.io/

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 7:35 PM

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well, for something like that having evne 100 ms ping is not that bad

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on vr is horrid

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i stream from my PS4 to PC regularly

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maybe 50-100 ms ping, becouse LAN (also becouse sony stream being shit)

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i do not play action games like that

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its nearly unplayable

mighty carbon Jan 22, 2018, 8:28 PM

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https://www.udacity.com/course/learn-unreal-vr-foundations--nd117

Learn Unreal VR | Udacity

Learn the fundamentals of Unreal Engine with our Learn Unreal VR Nanodegree Foundation program. Develop your own virtual reality application using Unreal Engine!

atomic spire Jan 22, 2018, 8:57 PM

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looks cool

mighty carbon Jan 22, 2018, 8:58 PM

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interesting https://forums.unrealengine.com/community/community-content-tools-and-tutorials/1391632-speak-my-words-android-s-text-to-speech-for-ue4

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Could be good for robotic NPC characters in VR

full junco Jan 22, 2018, 9:26 PM

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https://www.vrfocus.com/2018/01/head-into-stonebrick-studios-voxel-based-world-of-cyubevr-this-week/

VRFocus

Peter Graham

Head into Stonebrick Studios’ Voxel-based World of cyubeVR This Week

The title will support both Oculus Rift and HTC Vive.

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 9:36 PM

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congrats

granite jacinth Jan 22, 2018, 9:41 PM

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@full junco grats!

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Only PR we've gotten has been WOM and viral video

full junco Jan 22, 2018, 9:42 PM

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whats WOM?

sturdy coral Jan 22, 2018, 9:45 PM

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@full junco I think word of mouth

full junco Jan 22, 2018, 9:45 PM

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ah!

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thanks 😄

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 9:48 PM

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i gave john my navmesh snap movement code

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10 lines of code or so, to add smooth movement snapped to navmesh

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from DWVR

sly elk Jan 22, 2018, 9:51 PM

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https://www.roadtovr.com/windows-vr-headsets-see-huge-sales-at-amazon-us/

Road to VR

Ben Lang

Windows VR Headsets See Huge Discounts at Amazon US

If you’ve been eyeing a Windows VR headset, you’ll be interested to see the huge discounts currently available from Amazon US on every Windows VR headset except for the Samsung Odyssey. The Windows “Mixed Reality” VR headsets launched just a few months ago, but you can already pick one up with some steep savings currently …

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$220 for a windows headset

wicked oak Jan 22, 2018, 9:52 PM

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still not worth it

full junco Jan 22, 2018, 9:59 PM

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I also got this article, but its chinese and I have no clue what it says: http://www.maidouvr.com/26752.html

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based on google translate I would say its positive

granite jacinth Jan 22, 2018, 10:06 PM

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Yeah WOM = Word Of Mouth

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 10:24 PM

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@full junco use the translate feature if your on Chrome. It comes out understandable. The comments at the bottom come out funny.

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They are comparing to a game called "my world" which I guess is a popular Chinese game?

sly elk Jan 22, 2018, 10:26 PM

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I like the idea of the windows heatset for a demo setup

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no need to set up base stations or cameras

full junco Jan 22, 2018, 10:26 PM

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@glossy agate I thought that would be a translation of the chinese word for minecraft? 😄

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 10:26 PM

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Yeah that could be haha

sly elk Jan 22, 2018, 10:27 PM

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If I got one I would want the samsung and that one is still super pricey

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 10:28 PM

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I heard the MR headsets were better than expected from a few people. I still havn't gotten to try one yet

sly elk Jan 22, 2018, 10:29 PM

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For a lot of games the tracking would be a problem. I do a lot of shooting without looking in robo recall

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but for my game no big deal

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Even then from what I heard the gyros make up the loss of tracking just enough to work for games like Onward where you have to grab the tablet from behind your head

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or center back

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@sly elk You Revive RR or do you have oculus too?

sturdy coral Jan 22, 2018, 11:12 PM

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The tracking is a big limitation, I was playing ultrawings with it and any time you look around you lose control of the virtual flight stick and crash

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And even looking straight forward while flying it would lose your hands because they were too low

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I still like it for dev because it is lightweight (Samsung one isn't supposed to be as light though)

glossy agate Jan 22, 2018, 11:13 PM

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Damn, didn't realize it was that bad right in front of you.

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 2:29 AM

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I just have an oculus right now

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I need to get a vive

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 2:32 AM

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the HP headset def has tracking issues when out of eye sight, they are still fairly competant headsets though, and being around 200 now they are in a good place.

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 2:36 AM

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Do you have one? have you done a/b comparisons with your own content?

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im curious now noticeable the resolution jump is

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 2:44 AM

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yeah

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i have one

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the resolution suffers from less FOV and the screen format

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but its not bad

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 2:54 AM

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does it look better but just with smaller FOV?

granite jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Odyssey at $220

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 3:01 AM

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mmm, considering that the fit is kind of weak..hard to say

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when i press it against my face it looks pretty good

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you can notice the upgrade in res

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but the FOV is so limiting that i don't notice when not looking

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but I haven't tested it on my comp, only my wifes, and I don't think it is good enough for the increased FOV setting to trigger

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I would assume that the userbase would trend towards worse computers compared to higher end headsets, but their official specs for the cutoff don't seem that bad, so dunno

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when I finish with 4.19 and connect it to my comp i'll know for sure i guess, I haven't spent much time with it yet, and i spent all of that time playing with the tracking looking for when it breaks down.

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 3:29 AM

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@@tired tree try higher pixel density with it too, it defaults to 1.2x linear screen res instead of 1.4X like Vive; I'm not sure if that is because the lenses warp things less so it needs a lower optimal multiplier, or if they cheated and made it low because it is hard to drive that res on most existing setups

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But yeah, it isn't the biggest jump in the world. for me the biggest visual problem is blur towards the edges of the lenses

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 3:31 AM

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I am most impressed with the headset tracking

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the controllers are fairly bad though unless perfect conditions

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when they are decent

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i'll check supersampling it too yeah

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 12:29 PM

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@wicked oak Thank you!

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On a side note, does anyone know why launching a packaged game might leave you with just a black screen on the monitor preview?

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Most people do not encounter this issue, only a very small minority

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I'm guessing a resolution conflict when the game attempts to launch in full-screen?

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Here are the commands I run on my very first level (splash screen):

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I'm not setting it to full-screen manually, or the resolution of the preview

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 1:30 PM

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rp1UcpI_96IeiXAAMRwAFjPWw9O6dNFE/view

Google Docs

PC Connects talk 2018.pdf

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 1:33 PM

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holy shit

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 1:38 PM

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The average game on steam is garbage though

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So many games on there that are just template + $50 spent in an asset store

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I don't understand why valve made the bar for entry onto steam soo low

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I have been making diagrams that look like shop manual images https://i.imgur.com/yS65B8Y.png

Imgur

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I'm thinking about making them animated. Flip book seems excessively expensive. A few planes and keyframe animations?

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 2:05 PM

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@sly elk what about a "3d" version of it?

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like, you teleport the player into a white sphere, and have a "cinematic" of the pieces assembling, with a outline filter

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Yeah maybe. Would need to see if that was too disruptive.

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 2:38 PM

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https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/commit/48a1f9a1eedabca0b397623c853e4604f29af646

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"Hook up the Rift dynamic res to the new IDynamicResolutionState framework"

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does it mean dynamic res scaling will work on Rift out of the box when using 4.19 ?

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 2:56 PM

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@mighty carbon it already worked

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dynamic res scaling in rift allways worked for a long time

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it was part of the oculus plugin

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seems they just hooked it to the general dynamic res stuff

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 3:01 PM

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I have dynamic res turned off and haven't tested it

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does it work well?

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 3:03 PM

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its usable

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but oculus only

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in my game it was kind of useless

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im CPU bottlenecked

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not gpu

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so it wouldnt work well due to all the drawcalls

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on more purely pixel compute bound games, it shoulld work better

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 3:08 PM

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for my own testing, I have just been turning up super sampling until im GPU bound.

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 3:09 PM

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turning up res in order to let it auto scale it back down?

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sounds like a good idea

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:p

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 3:09 PM

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just leave it as an option

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its native in robo recall

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but in your game @sly elk , it is useless

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you dont have changing lighting scenarios or things like that

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and if you are bottlenecked by anything, is by CPU

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 3:10 PM

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def cpu bottlenecked in the end with his, yea

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 3:10 PM

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yeah

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 3:10 PM

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unless you really get merging / instancing working well

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 3:11 PM

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I have dynamic shadows and im so far I haven't needed to drop down to single sample stationary light shadows

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im targeting a 1070 for best experience with being able to scale to run on min spec

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single sample shadows will end up being an option people can switch

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and and then on the bottom settings turning off dynamic shadows completely

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 3:15 PM

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you shouldnt use shadows

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shadows need to re-render stuff, wich is drawcalls

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so, lol please dont

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you are already drawcall bound from the normal view, dont increase your drawcalls even more

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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I'm in deferred, and shadows are a big part of the look. I haven't had framerate issues with a full car worth of parts

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 3:18 PM

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just turn them off for the very small parts

sly elk Jan 23, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Yeah. Also I have the scene lighting set up so that there is limited area for direct lighting

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 3:35 PM

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http://vr.mi.com/developer/

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 3:36 PM

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interesting

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china market

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Make stuff and publish in China

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 3:36 PM

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for Go

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 3:36 PM

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yep

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 3:55 PM

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doesn't looks like there is a dev kit, besides Go

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Turns out using HMD mirror modes in 4.16 causes problems for the Vive

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Anyone ever get around this in 4.16?

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Those commands were meant for the Rift primarily (this was apparently fixed in 4.17 but I can't upgrade my project right now)

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 4:22 PM

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its the BP node from the oculus function library that causes that, use the console command

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and yeah in 4.17 they unified it so all platforms have the same setup for mirroring

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 4:24 PM

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https://uploadvr.com/sony-may-just-patented-new-psvr-controllers/

UploadVR

Sony May Have Just Patented New PSVR Controllers

A new patent from Sony published this month suggests the company is working on new PSVR controllers with much-requested analog sticks.

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 4:26 PM

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how the hell is uploadVR that far behind on news

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 4:36 PM

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lacking staff probably

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or busy harassing employees

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 4:39 PM

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@rocky nimbus those mirror modes were broken in really messed up ways for a long time

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I can't remember off hand but you may need to query which hmd it is

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it is something with "mirror" "mirror mode" or "mirrormode" being broken in one place or the other

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and once you use the wrong one with steamvr it will put something in your Saved folder that keeps rerunning it and breaking things

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 4:43 PM

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@sturdy coral "hmd mirror mode 4" works for Oculus

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I do a quick check as well

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 4:43 PM

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lol thats some slowpoke level shit

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 4:43 PM

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I managed to get the preview to work on the monitor with a Vive but,

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It's not widescreen. It has the thick black bars on each side (video is in portrait mode)

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The default stuff.

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But right now I'm not using any mirror mode commands for the Vives

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 4:47 PM

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@wicked oak new PSVR controllers ?

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 4:48 PM

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its some weird ass sony patent

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for some force feedback controllers that shift in thickness

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the patent is about the thickness shift part

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and its unfeasible, it would be super expensive to build

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:00 PM

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@rocky nimbus yeah the steam console command is like windowmirrormode

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hmdmirrormode was the oculus exclusive one

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:02 PM

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@tired tree I keep finding on Google that there's no way to do this for the Vive in 4.16

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Are you sure that isn't a command for 4.17-18?

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Only solution I found was to rebuild the engine from source, edited

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:03 PM

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of course there was a way

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the engine source rebuild was to change the viewport

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so that it rendered better

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there are still multiple modes available

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:04 PM

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That's a relief, do they output 16:9?

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That's my main concern

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Single-eye, wide-screen

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r.setres 1920x1080f was another suggestion, though I don't know if that would work for the Vive

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:07 PM

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no

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:07 PM

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https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/vr-ar-development/82640-vr-mirror-window-turned-black

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That was from before 4.16 thougg

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:08 PM

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the viewport fix was specifically to correct for 16:9

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and was wrong for that matter....

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Yeah it's the aspect ratio I need, I did end up fixing the full-screen and display

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:08 PM

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but worked "ok"

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:08 PM

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Is the only real solution for good 16:9 to upgrade to 4.17-8?

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I know they made it work by default for the Vive in 4.17 (I believe)

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I tried opening up a clone of my project in a 4.18 install but all of my dynamic material instances were deleted in the process, along with the materials themselves. Seems unproductive

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:09 PM

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You can put in any uv coords you want in source pretty easily

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:10 PM

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Is there an easy way to migrate the project to a newer version without losing anything?

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:11 PM

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its an all BP project right?

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:11 PM

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Yeah

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:11 PM

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then yes

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:11 PM

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I've never seen it delete dynamic mat instances

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:11 PM

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make a copy, upgrade

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if it works, good to go

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:11 PM

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What does that even mean?

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:12 PM

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I launched 4.18.3, clicked to open my project, it asked me how I clicked to open a copy and when it opened, all of my dynamic mat instances were gone and the materials they used. For texts I had fade in/out, etc.

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:12 PM

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sounds like he broke references somehow

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:12 PM

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You mean non dynamic mat instances?

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:12 PM

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The materials themselves were actually non-existent

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:12 PM

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you aren't using any plugins?

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:13 PM

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Only the necessary VR ones

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But the ones I do use are built-in

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Was about to have Nathie and CTop make a vid with the game but they couldn't even record (and now it isn't 16:9 so I wouldn't want them to either)

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:24 PM

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@rocky nimbus are you directly going from 4.16 to 4.18? You should try doing 4.17 inbetween

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:24 PM

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Yes

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Okay, I'll give it a shot rn brb

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Go to 4.17, test basic stuff in editor, Look for all warnings and check over the logs, test basic packaged build, and only after all that is good try going to 4.18 and do the same

rocky nimbus Jan 23, 2018, 5:25 PM

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The 16:9 should work in 4.17 alone

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:31 PM

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ahhhhhhhhhh, ok, 5 bug reports filed

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maybe i can do something else now

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4.19 is....rough

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:31 PM

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Now you can just wonder if anyone even looks at them, given the new bug reporting system..

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:32 PM

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i got feedback in the same day over e-mail for the first one I reported about 4.19

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so i am hopeful

sturdy coral Jan 23, 2018, 5:32 PM

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That's good

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 5:32 PM

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I have taken to directly linking to related answerhub posts about them when i can find any, so there is more information

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 5:51 PM

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sounds like 4.19 will have 5 previews and then bunch of hot fixes

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 6:34 PM

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https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/1441504575894342/

Experiences | Oculus

OrbusVR

OrbusVR is the first fully-realized MMORPG designed from the ground up for room-scale VR. It features a huge open world with thousands of players, dozens of hours of quests following an intriguing story, interesting lore and characters, five-player group dungeons, world bosses, and more!

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interesting

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 6:43 PM

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you haven't heard of Orbus before?

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its been talked about for forever now, long before launch

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 6:48 PM

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nah, haven't

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 6:52 PM

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its one of the top played games right now. Seems like it was in development for over 2 years

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 7:11 PM

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well still in development for EA, But they were having closed alphas back in 2016 I think. Supposed to be really good

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 7:23 PM

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any idea why UE4 has Python SDK in it ?

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 7:27 PM

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lightbaking stuff in blender

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that object has 3 different materials and is fully unlit

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 7:57 PM

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is it using a baked AO map from blender? Almost looks like you are using LPV or something to get that color bleed

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 8:01 PM

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thats the fun part

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it is a cycles lightmap

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but its a lightmap

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look at the texture

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📎 CornellTestBake.png

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there is no pure red or pure green section

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the pure red and green are actually separate materials

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the lightmap is baked in a way that it blends well with the color of the surface

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unlike my last tries at doing bakes, wich baked the surface color too

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this bake does not bake the surface color

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it only bakes the light

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📎 unknown.png

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better quality version

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the older one had wrong compression settings

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the workflow is a fucking pain right now

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i use houdini to build the level geometry becouse procedural stuff (+ automatic UVs and all of that)

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then to unreal

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then to blender

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then blender calculates lightmap, then export it to unreal, and then assemble the mat there

quartz bay Jan 23, 2018, 8:26 PM

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Does anyone know if we can have multiple OBB files for an android APK?

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Wow, that orbus game looks...terrible.

tired tree Jan 23, 2018, 8:40 PM

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its not

granite jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 8:54 PM

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Don't worry @mighty carbon

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I hadn't heard of Orbus either

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Until maybe a few days ago

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Or I might have, but dismissed it because it was an MMO

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Because I get too addicted to MMOs

mighty carbon Jan 23, 2018, 9:01 PM

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heh

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 9:02 PM

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@granite jacinth cries in "just hooked into wow again"

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they fixed my biggest feed with the game

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its actually fun for me to level now

granite jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 9:04 PM

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Ah, finally some big fish playing the game

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_qZj6L36M&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

Nathie

SURVIVE THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE IN VIRTUAL REALITY! | Contagion VR: Outbreak (HTC Vive Gameplay)

Contagion Outbreak is a VR zombie survival game that has been developed exclusively for the HTC Vive and Oculus Touch. This shooting game drops you in the mi...

▶ Play video

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 9:59 PM

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you linked the wrong video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0URewFIB-8

YouTube

MERPTV

THIS NEW ZOMBIE GAME IS AWESOME • CONTAGION VR OUTBREAK - HTC VIVE GAMEPLAY

Built exclusively for VR, Contagion VR: Outbreak will immerse you in the middle of a zombie apocalypse! Relive the stories of multiple survivors, team up wit...

▶ Play video

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this is the big one

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 10:00 PM

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Anyone with oculus. Can I use the the Right special (Hamburger) button for anything I want or is it reserved?

wicked oak Jan 23, 2018, 10:00 PM

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reserved for oculus home

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so no

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i think the left one is free

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 10:01 PM

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ah ok. I'll try the left

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I found a forum post on it. You are right, the special button is on the left controller, but they call it "Gamepad Special right" for some reason

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Holy shit that MERPTV vid has over 1MM views! COngrats

granite jacinth Jan 23, 2018, 11:23 PM

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@wicked oak Ah, that's just the viral video 😃

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But yeah, that's definitely the big one

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Over 1 million views, can't beat that

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@glossy agate thanks

trail shale Jan 23, 2018, 11:30 PM

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I'm trying to understand how real player height translates to height in the game (in terms of the player start) How does, sat, a 5 ft person translate to the 64 unit eye height of the VR pawn?

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My use case is that I have a free module for kids to escape a fire room but I need to make sure they start with their head in the smoke so they are forced to get low (so I have to input their height and move a smoke collision volume to make sure they are colliding with it at their height)

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Just looking for some direction... I've sized it to a general range but I'd like to be more specific

glossy agate Jan 23, 2018, 11:34 PM

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You can probably only do the general height unless you get the standing height at start then spawn smoke particles at that height - some value of z axis

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 12:51 AM

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@granite jacinth any plans for releasing the game on Home ? I'd rather get it there than on Steam

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 12:55 AM

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@mighty carbon Oculus Store?

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Hmmm, I don't know, if Oculus gave us some deal maybe

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The thing about it is

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I have to freaking update everywhere I put this

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I don't know why you prefer Oculus Store vs Steam though

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Usually it's the other way around

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Also, have to deal with PSVR version

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But there's some traction coming from that community luckily

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 12:57 AM

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why the hell would you rather get a multiplayer game on home?

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 12:57 AM

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We have a nice reddit thread going by way of soem random

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 12:57 AM

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oh, it's MP.. I thought it was SP too.

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 12:57 AM

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it is

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but still?

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 12:57 AM

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It's not just MP

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It's also SP

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but yeah

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I don't even want to deal with Oculus MP

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I don't even know wtf that entails

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 12:58 AM

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I like Home better than Steam

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 12:58 AM

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I only know (sadly, for better or worse) Steam stuff

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 12:59 AM

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https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/soul-city-soul-cave-assets-released-for-free

Unreal Engine

Soul City, Soul Cave Assets Released for Free

Epic Games has today announced the free release of high-quality assets from its Soul demo, making mobile game development with UE4 more accessible to developers.

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:00 AM

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you like home better than steam pretty much just becasue of the review system from what you have said previously

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:00 AM

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that's from the dev point of view

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Game from Home run smoother for me than from Steam.

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Also just aesthetics of Home appeal to me better

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if games ran equally fine and smooth, I'd maybe not care as much as I do

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:02 AM

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me thinks you may not be using steamVR correctly

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:03 AM

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o.O

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is there a special way I should be using it ? I simply run it, pick a game and play it

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:05 AM

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which games

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and have you played the same ones on both platforms?

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there is def some openVR overhead

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but most games correctly use the oculus SDK through openVR now

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home does has more stringent vetting

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but 90% of your talk about steam has always been that "the review system is too unmoderated so i hate the platform"

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:08 AM

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like I said, as a developer

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most of my PC games are on Steam

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couple are on Origin

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:09 AM

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you didn't answer which games you played on both but they performed better on home

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or are you only talking about home approved games that you only played there?

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:09 AM

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Not the same games

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just feels like Steam VR ones perform worse than Oculus ones

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Lone Echo playes a way smoother than Doom VFR

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:10 AM

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....well yeah

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thats not exactly going to be the fault of the platform in most cases....

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:10 AM

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and it's a more complex game, with higher fidelity visuals

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:11 AM

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and doom was wasn't tested on your hardware

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and actually doesn't perform that well in general

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:11 AM

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I see

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also, I'd rather give money to Oculus than Valve at this point

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:12 AM

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there

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see

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thats all i wanted, honesty about it

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:12 AM

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?

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I still give money to Valve buying non-VR games

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:13 AM

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your opinion is fine, just don't like fluff about "game perf"

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 1:13 AM

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as a matter of fact I'd love to have Crysis 3 on Steam and not on Origin

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(since all other Crysis games I have are on Steam)

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 1:27 AM

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Hmm, this IndieDBthing is a mystery

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http://www.indiedb.com/games/contagion-vr-outbreak

Indie DB

Contagion VR: Outbreak Windows, VR game

Contagion VR: Outbreak is a first-person shooter built from the ground up exclusively for VR. Fully immerse yourself in a world initially familiar to you, and witness it's transformation into something much darker as it rapidly changes right before your...

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But, hope we'll get top 100 soon

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Wasn't there a blog from Epic about IndieDB UE4 games?

real needle Jan 24, 2018, 1:47 AM

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@granite jacinth Do you as a dev put up the game there?

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 1:49 AM

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@real needle Yea

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It's not going to get added unless someone does

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And you should be the one to do it 😃

real needle Jan 24, 2018, 1:49 AM

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Kk, yeah I also discovered The Nest isn't on metacritic either

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 1:49 AM

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hmm well, we definitely aren't, but we're demo

real needle Jan 24, 2018, 1:49 AM

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I'll do it when we do the "real" release

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 1:49 AM

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not worried about that for now

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aye

full junco Jan 24, 2018, 2:28 AM

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@granite jacinth cyubeVR is on metacritic already for some reason though

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 2:30 AM

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@full junco wtf

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lol

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Not sure how that works tbh

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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/cyubevr

Metacritic

cyubeVR

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hm

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 2:31 AM

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It auto pulls I think.

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 2:31 AM

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oh

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We're there also

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http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/contagion-vr-outbreak

Metacritic

Contagion VR: Outbreak

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That'll be scary

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lol

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 2:31 AM

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haha. I was just about to pull yours

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 2:31 AM

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@full junco fix up your logo

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Looks like it's using the icon from community

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📎 unknown.png

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man...not sure how I'd be feeling

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If that's all the time I had

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But good luck!

full junco Jan 24, 2018, 2:41 AM

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@granite jacinth what counter is that?

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 2:47 AM

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@full junco meatcrtiic

full junco Jan 24, 2018, 2:52 AM

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@granite jacinth yeah, I meant which game

noble crater Jan 24, 2018, 2:58 AM

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anyone know where the motion controller tracking pose corresponds to on the physical vive/rift controllers?

granite jacinth Jan 24, 2018, 3:00 AM

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@full junco yours

full junco Jan 24, 2018, 3:00 AM

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ah 😄

sturdy coral Jan 24, 2018, 4:42 AM

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@real needle turn on editor content when browsing static meshes and you can find meshes for the controllers

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Their origin is what it corresponds to, steam vr a bit in front of the trigger, Oculus plugin somewhere around the joystick I think

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@mighty carbon @tired tree one part of SteamVR perf issues is you get no hidden/visible area mask for rift via steamvr but you do for rift via ovr. it's an easy fix though

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However @mighty carbon it isn't like you can't use the native oculus plugin on steam..

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 1:37 PM

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thats for ue4 anyway charles

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 6:39 PM

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I wonder when preview 2 is coming

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 6:48 PM

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preview 2 has a toooooon of AR commits

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 7:09 PM

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just benchmarked the "project point to navigation" stuff

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turns out 400 project point to navigation takes sub 0.2 ms

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this means that my shitty navmesh movement code could work for literally a THOUSAND npcs without even starting to get slow

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📎 unknown.png

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a bit more than a thousand checks takes beetween 0.5 and 0.8 ms

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for the navmesh snap movement code i posted from dwvr

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 7:25 PM

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@tired tree some kind of unification layer between ARKit and ARCore ? Or just updates for those two ?

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@wicked oak does it mean that you are smarter than Mieszko? 😛

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 7:26 PM

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who is that?

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no, it just means i can go wild with my AIs on a custom navmesh snapped movement

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 7:26 PM

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(if native UE4 navigation is that slower than yours, I wonder WTF did they implement it such a poor performing solution)

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 7:27 PM

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as i was thinking on using the same "hacky" movement from DWVR (wich slides alongside edges, letting me add dodges and other shit without fear that they will fall off)

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its mostly the character movement component

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wich does a loot of sweeps and stuff

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for my next game i will not use character movement component at all

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i will have custom pathfinding

mighty carbon Jan 24, 2018, 9:37 PM

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do these people ever stop bringing VR down http://mashable.com/2018/01/24/virtual-reality-gaming-loser-gdc-2018-survey/#l.0gCR13R5qL ?!

Mashable

Virtual reality's moment looks to be over in gaming, at least for now

This very expensive and still-developing new technology isn't quite ready for the explosive growth that was forecasted.

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:30 PM

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easy clickbait

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:33 PM

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blanco

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go profile sweeps

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they aren't slow

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that isn't what slows down the character movement component, but you are comparing a single reprojection into a pre calculated boundry to a fully featured dynamic movement system that has substepping and replay. The CMC makes many sweeps a tick often, hell, just the step up check does three on its own.

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@mighty carbon he IS using the ue4 navigation setup

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:40 PM

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@tired tree yeah pretty much

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CMC has gotten in the way way too much for my bots in DWVR

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for the next ill have custom movement, but my players will have normal character movement

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becouse i want that sweet multiplayer stuff

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:41 PM

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not that there isn't a lot that can be thrown out for VR

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i'm planning of trashing all of the root motion checks eventually

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:43 PM

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a big issue im going to have is replication for the bots

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im 100% sure if i try to use character movement in the bots, its hardcore complicated replication will be a huge hog

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for the bots i think ill use some very simplified replication

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like, only sync the pathfinding, and simulate locally

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with sync points

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:46 PM

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well you don't need replay with the bots, pretty easy to do server down replication for their movement

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there isn't any client input

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:46 PM

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yup

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i can sync pathfinding

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like, replicate each of the paths

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i would like beetween 10 and 20 combat units concurrently

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attacks and bullets will be fully client simulated

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i want the game to be llisten server, so having it be low lag is critical

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my plan is that bullets will only replicate their creation

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and each client just simulates it

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its PvE after all

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so who cares about client checking

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i did taht in DWVR and it scaled to ludicrous amounts of bullets with no issue

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if my bots dont even replicate bullets, but only the fact that they are firing (firing logic done in client), even more bullets can happen

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just with some serious desync

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:50 PM

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as long as one shot kills can't happen they likely won't notice

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:50 PM

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but who cares becouse PvE

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in my dungeon game, all damage checking was done by the client

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a player wouldnt be damaged until he damaged himself

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:50 PM

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ew

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:51 PM

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this allowed for perfect parrying

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with 0 ping

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you could directly block attacks and redirect and other fancy shit

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hilariously easy to cheat

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but, PvE

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:51 PM

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pray you never have leaderboards :p

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:51 PM

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i probably wont

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and ps4 lmao

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good luck hackingit

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its possible, but its fairly hard

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compared to pc where its trivial

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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you still have client to client sync issues then though

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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if bullets arent fully synced its no issue

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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ie: client self determines that he blocked / damaged a foe

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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when there are 50 bullets flying around, if they are slightly desynced, no one cares

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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other clients have to klnow this too

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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Warframe doesnt sync that much

tired tree Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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or its going to be terrible

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:52 PM

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players never cared one bit

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 10:53 PM

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You try using eqs for the bot movement? I have been messing with an ai pack that uses it. Seems pretty good. Rep was easy and they just attack players with the correct tags. But the features experimental in 4.17 still

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:53 PM

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@glossy agate no

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rep of bots is trivial if you use character movement

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they "just work"

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the issue is that i want:

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1: very direct control with NOTHING getting in the way

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2: lots of them

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character movement has got in the way haaaard, in DWVR

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i wanted to add strafes/dodges/etc and had a lot of trouble

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ive also benchmarked that 10-15 bots go past the cpu budget in ps4

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and i want more bots + multiplayer

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 10:55 PM

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more than 15 bots at 1 time on screen? Yeah thats a lot

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:55 PM

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not in screen, but "in the general area"

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the map will have hundreds in total

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but active, actually in combat

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around 10-20

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keep in mind not all of my enemies would be just humanoid

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those are around 6-10, and thats on the higher end. They shoot too much XD

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Oh. I did one before where the bots were just counted. Like if the number fell below 10 more would spawn. Less on screen, but it gives the impression that there are a ton

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:57 PM

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thats how DWVR works

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every wave has a max number of enemies (10 max), and when one dies i spawn another

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but in the next game, i will have big maps

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that need enemies across them

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 10:58 PM

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Yeah, and with MP level streaming wont work to nest them in there because it will rep to everyone with one person in that zone

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 10:58 PM

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i wont do level streaming

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the level is assembled at startup (dynamic navmesh gets generated)

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dynamic navmesh takes time, but thats why i will have the "load screen"

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ill just calculate how much it takes, and loadscreen it

glossy agate Jan 24, 2018, 11:00 PM

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Why not trace for ai shots then put a little particle effect on it to save space?

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unless you have a bullet dodge mechanic

wicked oak Jan 24, 2018, 11:01 PM

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none of my AI will use instahit weapons

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ive tested it, feels bad

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bullet weapons are much more fun

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but i still need to create all the enemies and that stuff

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the issue is that you cant really dodge instant hit weapons

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and dodging stuff is a lot of fun

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and lets you take cover well

wanton spindle Jan 25, 2018, 12:54 AM

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Does anyone know of a decent tutorial for making physic based doors for VR?

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specifically one to push open and closed etc

pearl tangle Jan 25, 2018, 3:28 AM

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@wanton spindle just use physics constraint is your easiest way. Or you can set it up with an animation and shift it along it's timeline based on the hand location

full junco Jan 25, 2018, 4:13 AM

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whats the correct way to add a vignette (limit the FOV) during smooth locomotion?

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adding a vignette directly in PP means the left/right eye sees different stuff, so thats bad

wanton spindle Jan 25, 2018, 4:48 AM

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Does anyone here use the VR Essentials kit that can give me a hand with some stuff?

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Sooo...

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Not sure what I may have done wrong...or if my brain isn't working right...

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But when I disabled spectator mode....I saw no increase in performance...

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If I am no longer rendering to that, shouldn't I be seeing some measurable amount?

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(I have an FPS counter in game and can test different setting and their effects)

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:21 AM

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@granite jacinth are you hitting 90 both ways?

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:25 AM

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@sturdy coral nope. 45

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:27 AM

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@granite jacinth hmm, does the GPU in the steamvr frame timing graph show any difference when you switch it on and off?

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oh and the spectator scene capture is turned off too? (haven't set up spectator mode )

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:28 AM

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I'll check on that tomorrow. In bed now.

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But basically it was disabled

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The screen "froze" on the last frame

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:28 AM

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ah ok yeah, that's strange

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:29 AM

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Then when Reenabled, started up again

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When it is disabled from the start, it is white

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:30 AM

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if it is locked at 45 you may just not see the difference, you can maybe get better timings turning off interleaved reproject if it is on and turning on async reproject, or possibly turning all reproject off

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:30 AM

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I don't know, just feels strange that I wouldn't get any gains for having it disabled.

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:30 AM

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I haven't measured perf stuff in a while

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Aye. I'll dig more into it

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Just trying to see how much I can optimized for some people with min spec

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There's only so much we can do really, but I would like to try everything I can for them to have a. Enjoyable experience

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:31 AM

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ah, is it the mirror view you are talking about, or third person spectator?

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Mirror

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I guess I can also try to give them resolution options.

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But I figure if they are doing mirror mode, they will want to record it or show it off

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:32 AM

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yeah, I've heard some people say on reddit they get better perf with the mirror shrunk or window minimized but I've never noticed it

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I think some unity games were actually rendering a separate view maybe

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:32 AM

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Also, SteamVR is seeing more performance issues than Oculus SDK.

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Damn Valve

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:33 AM

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and I guess it may have an effect on a high enough res monitor

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:33 AM

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Yeah, I had fullscreen enabled always

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Some folks had 4k monitors...

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And ultrawides

sturdy coral Jan 25, 2018, 5:34 AM

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yeah

granite jacinth Jan 25, 2018, 5:34 AM

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With min spec lol