virtual-reality

[granite jacinth]

I've asked for it like a million times

huge thread on it

"huge"

[full junco]

then a million and one is still fine

[granite jacinth]

Would you pay?

[full junco]

sure

[granite jacinth]

Let's say $20/month

[full junco]

absolutely

[granite jacinth]

what's the most?

$50 ?

[full junco]

once I have my game released, yes

[wicked oak]

i definitely would

50 might be too extreme for such a service tho

but the 20 a month? i would definitely pay

for the answerhub, back when it was on the rocket beta

where epic people actually looked at it, and it was only serious people and noot ultranoobs

[granite jacinth]

Allt he pro devs are gone or leaving man

Only a few have stayed

[full junco]

stayed where?

[granite jacinth]

at epic

[glossy agate]

But where did they go?

Not sure what the normal turn is though. I think at google and facebook at the higher end tech positions its like 3 years

[full junco]

@granite jacinth have no idea what you talk about, all the important people are still at epic...

important people are DanielW for example

or Mieszko

[mighty carbon]

well, we don't know who was on the time limited contract and who was integral part of Epic

I see a lot of folks are no longer with Epic.. Some joined that infamous AR company, some are on their own..

[full junco]

again, what important people left epic?

[tired tree]

I think the largest problem with the new bug reporting revolves around whether they changed the default "time out" behavior of the bug tracker or not.

[glossy agate]

Yeah I think a lot of it is just normal turnover

[tired tree]

unless they changed behavior, after a set time bugs are auto labeled as "won't fix"

[full junco]

that will still be the case of course

[tired tree]

you can't bump it anymore like in AH, would have to resubmit a duplicate in that case

[full junco]

and reenter all the information...

[glossy agate]

Statistically right now if you change companies every two years you can outpace average wage growth by like 8%

[mighty carbon]

@wicked oak any sales numbers for that game you ported to Gear VR ? Any plans for Daydream port ?

apparently one wouldn't be able to walk around with Mirage Solo 😦

it's confined to 1.5 meters radius (or diameter) around user

kinda odd

[granite jacinth]

I'll post here also: https://youtu.be/TUd1Lok2dUs

If you want some Beta Demo keys, let me know.

Here's some gameplay footage: https://youtu.be/c--hQhFh-oU

[mighty carbon]

looking good @granite jacinth

did you make it ?

[glossy agate]

Its fun. I played it.

[granite jacinth]

Not alone. I've only been doing the code side.

[granite jacinth]

Art side is handled by one dude

Anims one dude

[mighty carbon]

ah

[granite jacinth]

Tell you what though

even if you have one more person working on it

Does wonders

But anyway, Anims dude is busy, so that's why I needed some help on that end.

[mighty carbon]

you bet

I miss working with a team

[glossy agate]

So much better with a team. Easier to stay motivated when you see other members adding in awesome stuff

[mighty carbon]

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

I wonder how accurate it is... Intel/Nvidia dominate the market based on it

also, http://www.game-debate.com/news/24302/graphics-card-prices-expected-to-rise-20-in-q1-2018-due-to-ram-shortage-and-pubg-demand

[sturdy coral]

hah I could totally see pubg having affected things

I know two friends who did big upgrades for it

[mighty carbon]

I see

[sturdy coral]

There is almost no Pimax news or impressions out of CES even though they have a booth

[real needle]

what happened to the source contagion thing i heard that was left behind @muchcharles#2724

[sly elk]

Im doing some performance testing for a demo and I'm seeing substantially worse perf than the last time I tested. On 4.17 Oculus. Last time was 4.16

Googled and saw other people reporting issues but no resolution

[wicked oak]

have you upgraded oculus itself?

Dash is a huge resource hog

for me it makes nearly all games unplayable if they are half complex

[sly elk]

no, i avoided dash

[sly elk]

ah, i found part of the problem. I still had r.screenpercentage over 100

[mighty carbon]

@sturdy coral https://www.roadtovr.com/ces-2018-pimax-8k-hands-on-long-way-kinks-to-iron/

[frosty prawn]

Most have probably seen this, but:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAQR2IaP9Aw

[mighty carbon]

yeah, we did

still, cool stuff.. I wish Oculus brought something to CES

[sturdy coral]

@real needle source contagion?

[real needle]

@sturdy coral you know contagion the source game? thats what this vr thing is based off right?

[tired tree]

ouch, all pimax impressions so far are pretty terrible

[mighty carbon]

did you help Kickstarter'ing it @tired tree ?

[tired tree]

noooooooooo

too shady

will never invest in something that promises so much at once

[wicked oak]

i just know hardware based kickstarters are 99% fails

and china can NEVER be trusted

so its like 2 red flags at the same time for such a campaign

if it ends up being good, then maybe ill get one

but after people get theirs

[hollow mica]

Does anybody knows how to activate VR mode for the mobile platform?

[full junco]

in HTCs renderings, the vive pro looks great. in real photos, the blue is super ugly

I dont get why they didn't make it have the color of their renderings

[mighty carbon]

3D printer didn't have right filament ? 😛

[full junco]

even 3d printed stuff you can paint 😛

[granite jacinth]

@real needle Source Contagion has nothing to do with UE4 or VR. But I'll answer your question as diplomatically as I can... 😃

First and foremost. I wasn't part of the original team that had the KS, and just got on board back around Sept.

The old team definitely had their issues. A lot of mismanagement. TBH, it's almost typical for first time studios who "get big" through their Indie game.

So after a lot of missteps and the lack of talent to further Contagion (Source). They chose a simpler Engine to prototype something new and try to make some money, so they could hire someone who could not only take their new game somewhere, but also jump back into Contagion and fix up some of the mess they had left behind.

Enter Victor

They did not want abandon their first game. But they had no choice. They had no programmer capable enough to sort of all the crap that was built up in their source code (over 4 programmer rotations worth)

They had to get full time jobs to support themselves and their families over the past year and a half.

Victor will not let them fail.

This time around. I've been ensuring full transparency as humanly possible anywhere and everywhere, so everyone knows wtf is going on.

But yeah...

Next time, just read announcements from Contagion Steam Store Page 😉

[real needle]

right will do

[granite jacinth]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spring-snowman-ditch-lE6MQFHe6NREA

[real needle]

thanks for answering

[runic cedar]

Hi i got three warnings in the VR vive, maybe someone know how to fix this, because i cannot compile blueprint actor pawn..

lol okey)

[granite jacinth]

Did that help though?

[tired tree]

GetTrackedDevicePositionAndOrientation is I think the node name now

that deprecated warning is a bit wrong

[granite jacinth]

It is

Beacuse I just looked it up

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/BlueprintAPI/SteamVR/GetTrackedDevicePositionandOrien-/

So you can spank me

[runic cedar]

so it helped but the laser does not come from the controller but from the helmet but it is very cool

[tired tree]

have to set the tracked device index

0 is always HMD

they do it this way now becasue with trackers and single controller HMDs the total tracked devices varies from 0-12

this is more scalable than a left/right hand node

[runic cedar]

oh thank you)

@tired tree I wrote in the device id 1 and 2 and it works thank you!

[tired tree]

I wouldn't hard code it, should use the GetTrackedDevice node

[mighty carbon]

if only Valve implemented ATW/ASW analogy (and as robust as Oculus' one) to Steam VR..

https://gizmodo.com/after-trying-the-new-wireless-vive-pro-theres-no-going-1821901519

"even with Vive’s latest advancements, it’s still easy to remain skeptical about the future of VR" - really? some people still doubt VR has bright future?

https://medium.com/silicon-valley-global-news/htc-vive-pro-price-rumor-9e311ee6c5a5

[alpine torrent]

eyes?

this new vive pro is inside out?

[tired tree]

no, its stereo passthrough

[mighty carbon]

I wonder if $800 is with knuckles or original wands

[sly elk]

anyone know what the deal is with oculus developer portal rejecting any builds that have steamvr dll in them?

[wicked oak]

steamvr conflict

they dont want games that support steamvr on oculus store, becouse it can actually interfere when launching an oculus game

so they make sure by making you fully remove any steam related dlls

[granite jacinth]

Sounds legit to me

@wicked oak does VIveport do the same?

I would almost feel like they should

[wicked oak]

they give 0 fucks so no

[granite jacinth]

Strange

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked oak]

yeh, they should indeed do more or less the same thing

but viveport doesnt review much, i think

they give 0 fucks, so they wont care even if you are lagging

[granite jacinth]

Aye, I doubt they are making a ton of money from Viveport

[wicked oak]

btw made dis

[granite jacinth]

I don't understand why they did it...other than to try to compete with Oculus App

[wicked oak]

trying to model some kind of spaceship door for the game

[sly elk]

im submitting an alpha build for them to look at, not somethign for the store. This is a pain in the ass for no reson

[granite jacinth]

Looks good @wicked oak

[wicked oak]

for them to look at?

@granite jacinth like the tank before, its procedural. This lets me change the panelling shape from just a few very basic curves

ive been iterating it for a while

shittier version

[glossy agate]

Viveport doesn't require much at all. They used to require a empty c++ class if it was BP only, but I think they dont even need that anymore. Just have to pick the DRM you want

[sly elk]

turns out im not actually using the two dlls it flagged. just deleted them from the build without issues

[mighty carbon]

@wicked oak https://80.lv/articles/textools-for-blender-2/

[wicked oak]

thats a few months old

its still fuken nice btw

[sly elk]

Been using textools for max since it was a thing. Somehow the autodesk implemented versions from a few years ago aren't as good

[mighty carbon]

I wish Cycles could bake displacement maps without any hassles

[granite jacinth]

INSTAFUCKINGBUY

$800 seriously...

If they can do that for tracker 2.0 and knuckles..

[sturdy coral]

I'd pick it up if it it is $349

[granite jacinth]

@sturdy coral Ya, it's a no-brainer imho

[mighty carbon]

$800 is for the full package, for those who still doesn't own Vive

Btw, Zoid left Valve

[glossy agate]

Got the hostages for hostage mode done. Got real dark haha. Also I have characters to pick from on the adventure. https://youtu.be/3XDvoJU21oA

gotta work on the physics asset though. These are really bouncy haha

[mighty carbon]

brutal!

😃

[remote finch]

I've been experimenting with arcore in Unreal, and it's really cool. Since we only have horizontal surface detection at the moment I prefer the idea of making a game with small characters that people can look down at while they play. I tried just scaling down my assets, but that creates all sorts of issues. I could create all my assets with this smaller scale in mind, but that's not really feasible for me right now. I saw this article for Unity about scaling the camera and the planes up so that the game's world looks smaller because it is farther away.
Source: https://blogs.unity3d.com/2017/11/16/dealing-with-scale-in-ar/
I've been playing around with implementing this, and scaling up the camera does cause the characters to look smaller which is great. What I'm struggling with now is scaling the planes and the google cloud point component. No matter what scale I set it or the root of the actor containing it to, it seems to stay the same. Has anyone else tried anything like this yet?

[glossy agate]

Did you try the world to meters setting in world settings? @remote finch

I never tried ar so not sure how it works

[remote finch]

I haven't tried it yet @glossy agate but I had read that it didn't work for ar, just vr

[remote finch]

@glossy agate Changing world to meters actually does work, and it would appear as though that's all I need to change to get it to behave correctly. I've learned a lesson in not attempting the obvious just because the forums said it wasn't supported a month ago...Thank you!

[mortal cove]

Ive read that in 4.19 supposedly they will add a scaling feature for AR similar to what currently exists in VR (fingers crosssed).

[full junco]

@mighty carbon thanks for posting interesting stuff about the vive pro 😄

[granite jacinth]

mofo Vive Pro

[full junco]

349 would be a great price, would definitely buy that

[granite jacinth]

ain't coming out with knuckles

POS

Wand 2.0

[full junco]

@mighty carbon who is "Zoid"?

[granite jacinth]

Wand 2.0

[full junco]

@granite jacinth says who?

[granite jacinth]

Refresh

Says your mama

And Uploadtovr and HTC

and Valve

and crapton of other people

[full junco]

link?

[granite jacinth]

😭

https://www.roadtovr.com/ces-2018-htc-vive-pro-controllers-updated-wand-design-not-valve-knuckles/

[full junco]

also it really doesnt matter for anyone who already has a vive

[granite jacinth]

well

I wanted knuckles this year

But looks like that's not happening

[full junco]

if you already own one, you will buy the vive pro, new lighthouses from valve and knuckles from valve

[granite jacinth]

you aren't getting knuckles this year...

we'll be lucky to get them next year

Wand 2.0 this year

boring

[full junco]

well but it doesnt matter if HTC sells them or not if you can buy them from valve

[granite jacinth]

guess the HMD will do for this year

I doubt we will

But maybe, who knows

[full junco]

and I fully expect youll be able to buy knuckles this year

its stupid to expect anything different

dev kits shipped in mid 2017, they won't wait more than a year after dev kits were ready

so I say before end of august you'll be able to buy knuckles directly from valve

and they will probably be quite cheap

like, less than $120 for 2 controllers

valve needs every current vive owner to quickly switch to those

[mighty carbon]

@full junco not knowing who Zoid is ... is like coming from under the rock or being too young 🙀

[full junco]

probably both, so who is Zoid?

its not like I ever followed the names of employees of game developers...

[mighty carbon]

I figured you'd google him by now

[full junco]

I know sweeney, I know carmack, and maybe 2 other guys (like gabe)

[mighty carbon]

the guy who created original Threewave CTF for Quake back in the day and then some.. Also worked for Valve for a long time and was one of the key Dota 2 devs

[full junco]

well I don't like quick shooters and I also don't like and never played any MOBA 😛

[mighty carbon]

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/David_Kirsch

I don't play MOBAs, but Threewave CTF was the thing back in the days

the point is that a bunch of key people left Valve recently

Valve seems more like Steam service center and VR R&D house nowadays..

[wicked oak]

lol R&D you say

[full junco]

well, primarly definitely steam service center

[wicked oak]

lots of people from there got hired by oculus (kind of shady) and others left

[full junco]

they have no need for other stuff any more

[wicked oak]

Valve is Steam

and Valve is automation

they could fire literally everyone in the offices, and just keep steam running for pure profit on no effort

and would last a few years

[mighty carbon]

someone still works on Lighthouse and knuckles at Valve.. So I assume not everyone in the VR field left for Oculus

and not having knuckles for Vive Pro is a bummer... I can't stand wands after using Touch.

[full junco]

have you ever used the vive controllers?

[mighty carbon]

yeah, in a showroom in the mall

[full junco]

sure touch feels better, but its not a huge difference

[mighty carbon]

eeeh, huge difference in ergonomics and how it feels

[full junco]

yeah, but something like getting rid of the cable is way more important for immersion than better controllers

so I'm kinda wondering why valve doesnt work on a wireless solution

[mighty carbon]

for me, at this point, it seems that more natural input contributes to presence a lot more than HMD

[full junco]

and you used gearvr for a long time...

with no real controllers

[mighty carbon]

that's why I am more hyped for Santa Cruz than for anything else

[full junco]

I am still not

[mighty carbon]

(I think I will get hyped for Vive Pro if they release knuckles as standalone product)

[full junco]

everything that makes VR devs dev for low end hardware is a kinda bad thing

[mighty carbon]

how so?

[full junco]

it is important that the mainstream meaning of Vr is the 1080 ti experience you get from a vive or rift with good tracking and good graphics. and I know it is not at the moment due to all that cheap cardboard and gearvr stuff, but I wish it would be

VR needs to be seen as that really good thing

doesn't matter if no one can afford it, but everyone should wish they could afford it

essentially just how tesla made the electric vehicle sexy. not with electric vehicles that are "fine" and affordable, but with expensive electric vehicles that only very few can afford but everyone kinda wants to have

if someone thinks "electric vehicle", they think about tesla now. not about some golf car.

so if someone thinks about "VR", they should think about vive/rift, not about VR with mobile chips

[mighty carbon]

good luck making profit in the market of 1080 Ti owners

[full junco]

I dont care about profits

[mighty carbon]

a solid product for Santa Cruz will make more money that a product for 1080Ti and Vive Pro simply due to the number of users

oh well

[full junco]

yeah and thats bad

I dont want that devs have a reason to move away from the really good VR that you find on PC and also console

I count PSVR on PS4 pro also as good VR

[wicked oak]

im very, very very hyped for santa cruz

fully wireless, no cams, works everywhere with no setup (assuming it chaperones the walls with the 3d sensors)

@full junco but that you say its pretty much exactly what oculus is doing

Oculus IS a sexy as fuck product

just compare the design of everything oculus, vs everything vive

Oculus is taking a clue from Apple handbook

they are going the apple way, of making it look good and not going directly with the tech, but with "look at how cool it is, new experiences, blahblahblah"

Vive is a ugly as fuck headset

absolutely hideous

it gives a more "its for tinkerers/enthusiasts" feel

while oculus tries to go for "mass appeal"

I predict oculus go selling really well

[full junco]

I dont care at all about how it looks from outside. I only care about the experience inside

[wicked oak]

IF the product is well marketed

i know the product is hella solid

[full junco]

you didnt get my point

[wicked oak]

just need to market it well

sure, but oculus is still much more ergonomic and has a higher quality screen

(comparing to vanilla non headstrap vive)

[full junco]

but that isn't related to my point

I want rift/vive/PSVR to succeed, thats all good VR

I want VR that runs on a TDP of less than 30W to fail as much as possible

thats bad VR

for gaming. for movie stuff its fine of course

[mighty carbon]

it all comes down to money

(and ease of use)

no one says hi-res no-SDE wireless VR is not worthy of working on / using. It's just too damn expensive and will get more expensive (due to GPU/RAM costs rising)

[full junco]

GPU cost won't rise, they will come down like they always did

[mighty carbon]

in the real world priorities are very different - there are far important things to spend money on than VR / VR-ready PC

[full junco]

for that you have PSVR

and "soon" xbox one x with the windows headsets

[mighty carbon]

and if I don't have PS4 ? Then it's the same issue

when that happens...

If XB1X gets support for Windows MR HMD, I'll be quite excited

[full junco]

microsoft said it will

[mighty carbon]

(not that userbase is huge for XB1X)

[full junco]

in half a year the userbase of xb1x is quite big already

[mighty carbon]

hopefully much bigger than PC VR userbase

[wicked oak]

windows MR in xbox is pretty much confirmed

the question is "when"

they are ultrasecretive or they arent even giving devs the tools yet

[mighty carbon]

I see.. Interesting

[full junco]

I wanna preorder a vive pro and I wanna know the price of the htc wireless thing

[mighty carbon]

https://trello.com/c/DfK7iseg

Trello

New Proxy LOD System (Experimental)

The new proxy LOD system is an experimental plugin for producing low poly LOD with baked materials for multiple meshes. The new system is used by HLOD and is a replacement for Simplygon.
Note: At this point only Windows builds are supported.

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nice

and this one looks useful too https://trello.com/c/qeZ6H8eJ

Trello

Encryption/Signing Key Generator

It is now possible to configure .pak file signing and encryption fully from the Editor via a single unified settings panel. These features can now be controlled in Project Settings, under the Project section, in the Crypto panel.

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[trail shale]

What's the fastest way to check for replication in VR, since I can't get the VR preview to work across Lan with another editor?

[glossy agate]

Fastest way is probably to create a proxy pawn that runs in non VR for testing

Just place hot keys to run all your functions that you want to replicate

[trail shale]

a lot of my current events target a specific VR pawn....

so I should maybe just set that VRpawn's reference to the proxy

[glossy agate]

Yeah just make a child pawn that is non VR, then you can play it multiplayer

[trail shale]

no difference in using two instances of the editor versus across two computers, as long as you can ping one another?

[glossy agate]

Not that I know of. It just creates multiple instances of the game to test across

[trail shale]

could I actually test the VR components and then the second instance is the non vr ? in the same editor? or will VR preview not let that happeN?

[glossy agate]

I don't know about that. VR multiplayer testing won't work in editor. Thats why you just make 2D pawns and use hot keys to test if they replicate correctly

[trail shale]

okay thanks for your help

How do I make a child of a VR pawn and have it not be VR though?

[trail shale]

So, why is 2 player instance local not starting the game...nothing is replicating, both standalone windows have authority

They are simply not connected to each other

[mighty carbon]

@full junco cryptocurrencies are going up again, so I don't see how that helps GPU shortage/pricing.

[full junco]

that's a very short term issue

with new gpus, price per performance is coming down of course

volta/ampere, Navi etc

so in 2 years you will get much more performance for the same price like now

[trail shale]

crap guys I'm an idiot

this isn't multiplayer, let me delete all this crap

that's better

[mighty carbon]

https://flipboard.com/@flipboard/-steamvr-tracking-20-will-support-3333-f/f-f98c86aa56%2Froadtovr.com?utm_content=buffere9aa6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"SteamVR Tracking 2.0 Will Support ~33×33 Foot Playspaces With 4 Base Stations"

[sturdy coral]

@mighty carbon nice, that's over half a tennis court

[mighty carbon]

it would be nice if LH 2.0 could have been placed inside rooms and hallways connecting rooms

[sturdy coral]

I'd mostly rather have separate tracking universes per room as is supported now

[mighty carbon]

so one could map out a house or whatever building/structure inside with LH 2.0 and basically merge physical boundaries with virtual

[sturdy coral]

because so many games do stuff based on center of playspace

but just some tool to switch the center would be enough too

[mighty carbon]

has anyone opened Vive's wand to see how much of empty space it has inside ?

I can totally see myself making it closer to Touch (mostly to make grip button matching Touch), 3D printing it and moving wand's inside into my custom controller 😃

[sturdy coral]

@mighty carbon that proxy LOD/simpligon replacement thing is huge

I'm glad they are adding that and hope it works well

[tired tree]

@mighty carbon that won't work unless you specifically keep the tracking sensors in the same orientation and position

they form a matrix that is optimized and known to the internals of the wand

[glossy agate]

More stuff than I expected to be in there

[mighty carbon]

@tired tree looks like there is stuff in the handle.. I simply wanted to make handle shorter and like a pistol grip, with more accessible grip button.

everything else would remain the same

[sturdy coral]

@mighty carbon might be easier to use a vive tracker in that case

[tired tree]

Vive trackers don't track as well as the actual wands for some reason

but yeah, that would be the obvious solution, they are made for that

[granite jacinth]

Trackers are garbage man

So is this blaster thing I have

Trackers are garbage man

Trackers are garbage man

[wicked oak]

really?

how the fuck do they track bad if they are kind of the same thing as the crown in a wand

and they are 100 fucking dollars

[mighty carbon]

well, modifying wand takes some Solidworks work and 3D printing. Making whole new controller with tracker is whole another story.

[sturdy coral]

some sensors in the middle of the vive wand are visible from below too, where with the tracker whatever it is mounted to blocks that a bit

@mighty carbon yeah the hard part would be adding a touchpad to the vive tracker based one, unless you can take one out a steam controller and it hooks up ok without a lot of adapting

[mighty carbon]

that's the idea

use guts of the wand in a new body

but, with that long pcb board it's not possible

(not possible to make short pistol grip a la Touch)

[sturdy coral]

I wish touch was a tiny bit longer and grippier

though grippier is easy to fix on your own

fundamental flaw of the vive wand is the symmetry

if they make the grip button too easy to grip, then the grip button on the palm side becomes too easy to accidentally press

and if they make the palm side hard to accidentally press, the grip button becomes harder to use

if I modded anything it would be replacing the grip button with a clicky key from a mechanical keyboard and covering the palm side so it can't be activated

[mighty carbon]

but Touch grip button isn't just on/off button

and it has some stroke to it, so even if your fist lightly closed, it doesn't count as "completely closed grip"

[sturdy coral]

I haven't ever found a use where that mattered, only for social gesturing

[mighty carbon]

(or maybe it's on/off, but due to longer stroke there is no issue with accidentally triggering grip)

[sturdy coral]

I'd rather have a click so I know exactly when something is released in e.g. a throw

that's my only concern with knuckles too

[mighty carbon]

well, you use grip in Robo Recall, Lone Echo and Climb

and it comes naturally

[sturdy coral]

you use the grip

but you don't use the analog part of it

other than for hand animation, for gameplay stuff there is always an activation point

from what I have tried

[mighty carbon]

that's what I am wondering - grip just works well due to long stroke of the button or because it's analog

[sturdy coral]

I haven't tried the climb with touch

[mighty carbon]

my hands get tired quickly when playing Climb as you gotta grip controller tightly when climbing 😃

[sturdy coral]

windows MR has a clicky grip and I like it alright

I don't have any real preference for it over oculus's, but the windows MR grip button is definitely better than Vive's

[sly elk]

Rift and Vive had hardware resolution parity where we could basically build for the same min spec. Now we have windows MR with a slight resolution bump, vive pro, ect.. What are peoples thoughts on how VR min specs work when there are devices out there with radically different render target sizes?

Giving customers 4 different min specs for each headset seems like a great way to have people misunderstand, get angry, and return the game

[glossy agate]

What would that effect though? maybe screen space LOD's? Only complaint I have heard about windows MR is touch pad not being sensitive enough, and no support for switching to joystick.

[wicked oak]

@sly elk min spec vr is min spec vr

also the other headasets are just higher res of the same thing

i wonder if unreal engine new "PD" stuff will be native even on things like the vive pro

but you just leave a setting for lower res and thats it

you can just say

min spec, 970 GTX at Rift CV1 native resolution (1200p)

games do more or less the same thing, a lot og games say min spec is 30 fps 1080p or something

[granite jacinth]

Aye

I mean I just added options for people

I am about to push it live tonight

They can pick between low.med.high settings

and see the FPS result

Obviously everyone will have different specs. It's nice to aim for low end min spec

But fuck that

Just give people options

[glossy agate]

You using engine scalability settings, or just SS values?

[granite jacinth]

No, but I should

Well

They are just console commands

[wicked oak]

i just had antialiasing mode + screen resolution slider

[granite jacinth]

I'll show you my monstrosity setup in a bit

[wicked oak]

after all DWVR does not have effects, its designed specifically for one spec

if you are on a stronger GPU, you are better increasing res

i believe that for VR

[glossy agate]

Yeah I am using the slider. Most players have advanced settings anyway and set SS value through that

[granite jacinth]

Has anyone tackled Melee in VR?

[glossy agate]

Yeah, I have some melee mechanics that are kinda important for gameplay

[granite jacinth]

Any solid tips?

I put together a proto last night, but it was meh

Going to redo it later

[wicked oak]

me

let me give you a important tip

fake the fuck out of it

[glossy agate]

Mine is set to use velocity. You have to make one long solid swipe to do damage.

[wicked oak]

enemies dont have the same rules as the player

[granite jacinth]

See, I want hit reactions from the zombies though

[wicked oak]

play an anim

[granite jacinth]

So I need to use point damage

[glossy agate]

Physics anim based on bone hit

[wicked oak]

make them stumble

back

as the animation

[granite jacinth]

@glossy agate aye, that's how the melee weapons are set up

[wicked oak]

if you do that, hitting an enemy will move him back, and you wont be able to keep hitting them superfast

[granite jacinth]

But I tried to "fake melee weapon" hands... and the results were garbage

[wicked oak]

also, if you do a edged weapon, do perpendicular traces

[granite jacinth]

Also, I was tired of killing my walls and mic

[wicked oak]

not linear one on the blade shape

[glossy agate]

like it doesnt match up with controller?

[wicked oak]

one of the best melee combats is the one i developed for my dungeoning prototype

but GORN is really fucking good, and Raw Data too

Gorn cheats

by making the weapons be jelly

[granite jacinth]

I need to see how Gorn does it

[wicked oak]

but raw data does it well

[granite jacinth]

@glossy agate oh, it matches up just fine

I might just need to tweak multipliers

I don't know, we'll see, but yeah

I am going to try to fake as much as I can

[wicked oak]

careful with physics anims

[granite jacinth]

I'll have proc slicing

[wicked oak]

they are highly volatile, getting them right is SUPER hard

robo recall does it fairly well, but i think its actually some sort of ik or something? it was done before phys anims existed

on my newer game, i use phys anim for hit reaction, and its kind of bouncy as hell

problematic

[granite jacinth]

Hmm, maybe I'll look at the RR mod kit again

I actually dont' remember ever using melee in that game

Not that I played much of it

[wicked oak]

robo recall does it really well

its the best implementation, you can punch or whack the bots

[glossy agate]

Yeah I think orbus uses multiplier based on velocity for the damage. You could also multiply the force by velocity to get a bigger reaction

In my game they won’t be used much. You get double point for melee executions so it’s more planning to get in close to a maimed player to pull it off

Just didn’t want the wrist wiggle kill to happen

[tired tree]

Mmm, Gladius VR has a decent implementation Victor, he has hit reactions and fully simulated weapons. I could get you his contact information if you wanted to talk. Its UE4 + plugin as well.

[granite jacinth]

@tired tree Nice, yeah if you could, I'd appreciate it

Not that I foresee a lot of players really going to punch zombies all the time, but it could be a fun diversion..

[wicked oak]

https://ipforce.jp/patent-jp-A-2018-735

sony just patented their own knuckle knockoffs

[granite jacinth]

lol

Good

[granite jacinth]

Because that will help us out

Move Knuckles

[granite jacinth]

I'm okay with it

As long as the tech keep on improving

[wicked oak]

i cant read moonrunes, but this looks like capacitative stuff to me

[granite jacinth]

Looks like a crapton of buttons

[wicked oak]

what the fuck is this

[granite jacinth]

Hopefully it's egronomic

[wicked oak]

it can change shape?

lmao what the fuck

[granite jacinth]

nah

that's the inside I bet

[wicked oak]

its some kind of weird chain

[granite jacinth]

gears

[wicked oak]

but look at the way tis setup

seems itcan grow

but nah, this aint move 2.0

[tired tree]

thats is a ring extension

[wicked oak]

too expensive

[tired tree]

they likely won't even use that part, but throwing in overarching concepts gives them leverage

[wicked oak]

all this gear shit costs $$$ sone are total cheapass

extended

thats actually a cool thing

seems to be the main focus of the patent

most of the stuff is about this thing

[tired tree]

would require a cloth covering on those zones

but I guess if they intend to put one at each zone....

that would be a ton of battery usage...

[wicked oak]

its complex as fuck lol

[tired tree]

it "could" be feedback for grip strength too

[mighty carbon]

ha, Magic Leap ordering some stuff we make at work.. Surreal seeing them ordering something that's not related (perhaps even indirectly) to VR/AR.

[tired tree]

you can get tension on the motor from a setup like that

[sturdy coral]

@sly elk just use auto-resolution, it solves everything but screenspace LODs

I think the calculations for those used to be based on a normalized 1080p screen, not sure if they still are

[worthy ravine]

Hello! I'm trying to detect which headset is being used on start, and online I've found that I can use "GEngine->HMDDevice->GetHMDDeviceType();" However, it appears that I do not have HMDDevice as a member of of GEngine when I try to implement it

Any suggestions?

[rich jackal]

I'm having trouble understanding what the Frequency curve is (vs the Amplitude curve) for Haptic Feedback Effect Curves

Specifically in the context of the Touch controller

@worthy ravine Are you sure you're #including what you need?

Looks like Runtime/HeadMountedDisplay/Public/IHeadMountedDisplay.h might help (see https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/API/Runtime/HeadMountedDisplay/IHeadMountedDisplay/GetHMDDeviceType/)

[worthy ravine]

Yup, I've got that included

It seems like it's a part of GEngine which requires "#include "Engine.h" but it's not coming up as a member

[granite jacinth]

strange things:

is that really more efficient than a simple timeline?

[glossy agate]

So what’s up with the zero delay? Supposed to be like a timer by event type of outcome?

[granite jacinth]

@glossy agate 0 delay = one frame

Nice if you need to stagger something super close

[sly elk]

yep- I use 0 delay like that pretty often

[sturdy coral]

@worthy ravine the new form is: if (GEngine->XRSystem.IsValid() && GEngine->XRSystem->GetHMDDevice() && GEngine->XRSystem->GetHMDDevice()->GetHMDDeviceType() == EHMDDeviceType::DT_SteamVR)

and you may need:

#include "IXRTrackingSystem.h"

[worthy ravine]

@sturdy coral thank you!! that's what i was looking for

I appreciate it

[sturdy coral]

np

[tired tree]

something to keep in mind with that though is that Oculus ran through SteamVR still returns DT_SteamVR with that code

have to query OpenVR itself to tell the difference

[worthy ravine]

So if both plugins are enabled, how can you tell which one it will use?

[tired tree]

if both are enabled it shoudl be running through the oculus one by default

[worthy ravine]

even if a vive is plugged in? sorry if these are dumb questions, i'm a unity developer

[tired tree]

no, not if a vive is plugged in

[worthy ravine]

Ok gotcha. Is there a way to figure out which headset if it comes back as SteamVR? Because that could be a vive, or windows mixed reality headset, or another headset that uses the SteamVR SDK

In Unity you can distinguish headsets so if there was a way in Unreal that would be ideal

[tired tree]

yeah, you need to query the OpenVR SDL

in unity steam directly supports the integration so its all kind of done for you

not so in UE4, going to have to manually call in

[worthy ravine]

gotcha

i'm guessing there's some documentation somewhere that will show me which functions i need

[tired tree]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/openvr/wiki/API-Documentation

[granite jacinth]

What's the best way to Capture VR footage/screenshot now?

Like if I want to have the best resolution and FOV

I'll be using OBS

Well on Steam you can just choose the launcher settings also

[remote finch]

I use OBS as well

[granite jacinth]

Yeah, but just curious if anyone knows of a nice little guide or tips

[remote finch]

Are you trying to record for another game or a game you're making?

[granite jacinth]

the latter

Have a rift, screenshot bug in 4.18

Need another way to do it

[remote finch]

Ah, that sucks. I can't help you there, I have a Vive, but hopefully someone else will know

[sturdy coral]

@worthy ravine you can use this, probably want to do it once in one place and save the results because it is doing string compares:

{
  if(GEngine->XRSystem->GetHMDDevice()->GetHMDDeviceType() == EHMDDeviceType::DT_SteamVR)
  {
    if (GEngine->XRSystem->GetVersionString().Contains(TEXT("oculus"), ESearchCase::IgnoreCase))
    {
      // oculus via steam, the oculus motion controllers need a transform adjustment to line up with steam versions unless you are using the oculus meshes from the steam render models
                //MotionControllerLSKMesh->RelativeLocation = FVector(-5.0f, 0.77f, -.255f); 
                //MotionControllerLSKMesh->RelativeRotation = FRotator(0.0f, -90.0f, 40.0f);

                //MotionControllerRSKMesh->RelativeLocation = FVector(-5.0f, -0.77f, -.255f);
                //MotionControllerRSKMesh->RelativeRotation = FRotator(0.0f, -90.0f, 40.0f);
    }
    else
    {
      // vive or windows MR or other thing via steam
    }
  }
  else if (GEngine->XRSystem->GetHMDDevice()->GetHMDDeviceType() == EHMDDeviceType::DT_OculusRift)
  {
     // oculus via oculus plugin
  }
}```

[real needle]

@granite jacinth I use nvidia shadowplay, and I use one of the letterbox spectator modes...

[wicked oak]

@muchcharles#2724 i think there is a literal enum of the headset type

better than testing strings that is easy to get wrong

[sturdy coral]

@wicked oak I don't think so, unless it is in 4.19. There is EHMDDeviceType, but that doesn't distinguish oculus via oculus plugin vs. oculus via steamvr

[wicked oak]

you should be using oculus via steamvr

engine automatically launches oculus plugin unless you disabled it

[sturdy coral]

@wicked oak I give both options, but yeah @worthy ravine, it will load the oculus plugin with a higher priority so you will never get oculus via steamvr unless you don't include the oculus plugin or you let the user choose steamvr

to select steamvr when the oculus plugin is enabled, you pass -hmd=SteamVR (you can prompt for multiple launch options in steam and it will let the user chose from a menu when launching)

[tired tree]

The strings are incorrect too

there is no distinction between GearVR and OculusHMD in the headset type names

I had to roll a mix of enums and strings to fix it in 4.18

I had planned to throw out my custom HeadsetType node until I saw it was still not correct >.<

But yeah "GetVersionString" is new isn't it? I calls to the OpenVR SDK functions, its what they use for the console command

think it was opened up in 4.18

pretty sure before that it was just in the actual console command function

it returns a lot of extra stuff though too

const FString Manufacturer = GetFStringTrackedDeviceProperty(VRSystem, vr::k_unTrackedDeviceIndex_Hmd, vr::Prop_ManufacturerName_String);
const FString Model = GetFStringTrackedDeviceProperty(VRSystem, vr::k_unTrackedDeviceIndex_Hmd, vr::Prop_ModelNumber_String);
const FString Serial = GetFStringTrackedDeviceProperty(VRSystem, vr::k_unTrackedDeviceIndex_Hmd, vr::Prop_SerialNumber_String);
const FString DriverId = GetFStringTrackedDeviceProperty(VRSystem, vr::k_unTrackedDeviceIndex_Hmd, vr::Prop_TrackingSystemName_String);
const FString DriverVersion = GetFStringTrackedDeviceProperty(VRSystem, vr::k_unTrackedDeviceIndex_Hmd, vr::Prop_DriverVersion_String);

return FString::Printf(TEXT("%s, Driver: %s, Serial: %s, HMD Device: %s %s, Driver version: %s"),

hmmm, no it was still there in 4.16 too

[sturdy coral]

@tired tree yeah, I still don't think it is possible to determine in a stock blueprint project, unless they have added a way to read console command output. And all that complicated string building it does would make it slow compared to just comparing with the constant c string from checking the right property from steamvr

but as long as you aren't doing it every tick it is a decent workaround for it not being exposed

[tired tree]

yeah, good thought

I never considered it since I exposed the actual functions themselves before that function existed

[mighty carbon]

@raven halo so I am guessing you guys have Oculus Go on hands? 😃

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/7pxee7/daedalus_confirmed_for_oculus_go/

[raven halo]

m.....mmmmaybe?

[mighty carbon]

so, how is it compare to Gear VR ?

[raven halo]

if I had my hands on the oculus go, I'm sure I would have signed an NDA 😛

[mighty carbon]

I see

[worthy ravine]

@tired tree which library do I have to include to get access to the GetFStringTrackedDeviceProperty method?

[tired tree]

#if STEAMVR_SUPPORTED_PLATFORM
#include "openvr.h"
#include "ISteamVRPlugin.h"

#endif // STEAMVR_SUPPORTED_PLATFORM

openVR

will need module in build.cs too

if (Target.Platform == UnrealTargetPlatform.Win32 || Target.Platform == UnrealTargetPlatform.Win64 ||
(Target.Platform == UnrealTargetPlatform.Linux && Target.Architecture.StartsWith("x86_64")))
{
PublicDependencyModuleNames.AddRange(
new string[]
{
"SteamVR",
"OpenVR",
"SteamVRController"
});
}

[granite jacinth]

https://twitter.com/victorburgosG3/status/951871600768503811

Victor Burgos (@victorburgosG3)

Incoming to a @steam_games Store Page near you (very soon)... Created in @UnrealEngine . Hit us up @UploadVR @pcgamer @VRScout @VRFocus @RtoVR #virtualreality #indiegame #videogame by #indiedev

#vr compatible with @htcvive @steamvr& @oculus @OculusRift, later @PlayStation #psvr

Twitter

[tired tree]

@worthy ravine sorry was missing STEAMVR_SUPPORTED_PLATFORM def

// #TODO: 4.18 check this
#define STEAMVR_SUPPORTED_PLATFORM (PLATFORM_LINUX || (PLATFORM_WINDOWS && WINVER > 0x0502))

its private in their source, so I re-define it

[worthy ravine]

@tired tree ahh got it

thank you!

[wicked oak]

thoughts?

still highly WIP

[tired tree]

that looks good

[wicked oak]

trying to create a lobby map for the game, the robots are there for scale

[tired tree]

aren't the bright reflections a bit much in VR though?

[wicked oak]

no

it will be toned down too

[glossy agate]

Looks cool. How many maps are you starting with?

[wicked oak]

this one and a scanvenger cave tileset

the cave tileset is done (mostly) but needs to be made prettier

for the demo ill pregenerate a bunch of random maps, and whitelist them

so the generator doesnt give them garbage, it just selects a random level from the whitelist XD

[glossy agate]

What kind of budget are you using for the new game? Been doing the math on my game and trying to figure out what I need

So far its a lot less than I expected to spend

[wicked oak]

@glossy agate 40K DOLLARS

total

but keep in mind i do not pay myself

of that, 35k will be used on freelancers, and 5k on going to demos and shit

its... spread thin

really thin

its a considerable more ambitious project than DWVR

well, not really 40k, thats like the absolute maximum. My goall is 15-20k

[mighty carbon]

are you sure you'll be able to return the investment and make as much on top of that ?

[glossy agate]

Cool. Yeah that seems like a reasonable budget for a risky market. I was thinking 10-15 to get to ea, but I’m way lower right now

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon yes

the concept is much superior and has much more appeal than DWVR

it should sell FAR more than DWVR

im also more experienced now

[glossy agate]

If you land in the top 10% you should easily make that number. That budget is serious so I think you should make it. Noticed you have no slot for marketing budget? Or is that included in the demo budget?

[mighty carbon]

I think out of 40k, 20k should go for PR/Marketing..

[granite jacinth]

And finally, here ya go: https://twitter.com/victorburgosG3/status/951914269242773505

Victor Burgos (@victorburgosG3)

As promised: @steam_games Store Page:https://t.co/yNKNnCnnir Created in @UnrealEngine . Hit us up @UploadVR @pcgamer @VRScout @VRFocus @RtoVR

#virtualreality #indiegame #videogame

#vr compatible with @htcvive @steamvr & @oculus @OculusRift

@amandambott @Serellan @iveytron https://t.co/KWcfCq8UOK

▶ Play video

Twitter

I'd appreciate any retweets 😃

[mighty carbon]

RT'ed

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth thats actually a pretty fucking good video

the "how many oh shit moments you gonna have is 100% brilliant

its a really good trailer

[granite jacinth]

You liked my trailer?

I did that this morning

Thanks

Telling you, if I ever fail or quit at programming, I might do PR

[wicked oak]

its probably the best trailer ive seen in this discord

i really like it

have you already posted it to reddit?

[granite jacinth]

No

I need to

sigh

This isn't even my job lol

But...you know...

[wicked oak]

as usual

do you really think my job is to be an artist?

meanwhile... (scroll up)

[granite jacinth]

Best dev for the job atm I guess

Wel...

[wicked oak]

im literally lead artist lead designer lead programmer holy overlord in my project

[granite jacinth]

we actually hired out a PR person...

So, that's what I really meant 😃

[wicked oak]

they are useless a lot of the time

[granite jacinth]

No comment

[wicked oak]

good ones are very useful

but finding a good one is hard

a PROPER memelord is worth his weight in gold

sadly, most PRs arent proper memelords

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak which subreddits you think?

[wicked oak]

vive/oculus

and r/games and r/gaming

given the trailer is fairly memey, it could work in r/gaming

[granite jacinth]

ah damn. It's only one subreddit

per post

omfg

Now I think I remember why I don't like reddit

vivel.l doesnt do videos lol

hnm actually, lots of them dont

I guess I'll upload to YT first

heh UnrealEngine does

[wicked oak]

for r/gaming you need a gifv

no one checks youtube videos there

so you would need to make a cropped gifv of part of the trailer

and then link the game and trailer in a comment

[glossy agate]

You can just embed the YT vid though on the post right?

[wicked oak]

but it doesnt autoplay

[mighty carbon]

https://uploadvr.com/ces-2018-hands-6dof-standalone-pico-neo-headset/

[sturdy coral]

hah I knew they would be ultrasound when I saw the little mic holes

hopefully it is more accurate than the powerglove 😛

[sour halo]

hello, i tried to make an elevator in a level with my oculus rift and oculus touch, but my character is passing through the elevator like there is no collision, how can i fix it?

[glossy agate]

Does it collide before it starts moving?

[sour halo]

no collision but i can teleport on it

[glossy agate]

If there is never collision you just have to turn that on.

Should just work I think. Although, Im not sure how you do an elevator if the teleport is nav mesh dependent. I havnt worked with teleport much. Maybe there is some kind of real time nav mesh generation?

[sour halo]

where do i turn it on?

i dont know :/

the elevator is this simple cube

there is collision on it

but my character doesnt have any, like when i put him in the air he doesnt fall

this is the character

[glossy agate]

Have you checked the collision on the capsule for the pawn. Not sure why it doesn't have gravity though

[sour halo]

because if it have gravity when you play on vr you will get sick by falling maybe lol

and you cant move, only teleport

id like to change that, teleport + move like if you have a xbox controler

[gritty remnant]

im trying to set this up so the player rotates at +/- 45 degree incraments when they tap the right thumbstick... any idea's?
this is what i have so far :/

[gritty remnant]

dw... got it working.
just need to add in some more control

[gritty remnant]

there we go... All working how i want it... + set it up so i can let the player tweak the rotation rate

[sour halo]

so does anybody know how to put gravity on the character in the motion controller map?

[sturdy coral]

@sour halo it uses a pawn instead of a character so it doesn't really have gravity and proper collision and stuff unless you implement it yourself. I recommend you use mordentral's template and plugin

[sour halo]

where can i find this?

[sturdy coral]

@sour halo Google mordentral ue4 vr

It is also the biggest thread on the VR forum

[sour halo]

ok thanks

[tired tree]

@gritty remnant is that for roomscale or seated?

for roomscale that code won't work how you intend

[glossy agate]

You have to get the xy offset from the center space and rotate based on that right? Or it will swing the player around

[gritty remnant]

@tired tree seated (for now)

[tired tree]

k, it will work for seated

if you ever go standing you need to accoutn for the HMDs local position

[gritty remnant]

wont i just need to change the "AddLocalRotation" to a "AddLocalRotationAndLocation" then just plug in the Location of the VR_Camera_Root?

[tired tree]

no

you'll need to create an offset location

easiest way is to rotate the hmds location by the original rotation, and then by the new one, the difference between the two is the additional offset you'll need

rotate around axis can do this in BP i believe

[sturdy coral]

yeah:

[gritty remnant]

will look at playing around with that

[sturdy coral]

and rotate it too

(the vr root)

[gritty remnant]

i plan on adding in standing play later... but im more interested in working on my core mechanic

[glossy agate]

whats the core mechanic?

[gritty remnant]

Sniper system...

[glossy agate]

FINALLY got my game to build! Plugin im using added a key DRM thing, and decided to require engine install vs project install apperently. Fucking painfull hahha. Works now though

[gritty remnant]

its how im doing the "sniper system" thats should be fun and hopefully different

[glossy agate]

nice. Sounds cool. You working with pro tube or any noob tube setups for compatability?

[gritty remnant]

no... my intention is to build the Bipoded sniper system so you only need 1 hand

that way you can adjust the Range and focus of the scope with your other hand

and a few other things

[glossy agate]

really cool. so like the real deal where you have bullet drop wind ect and have to dope?

[gritty remnant]

have you watched the "phanom Bullet" story arc from Sword art? (Season 2 part 1)

there is a visual Readout it has that shows where the bullets heading that pulses with their heartrate... i sort of want to see if i can set it up so the "VR headset" picks up the players breathing so the calmer they breath the less violent it pulses

i'm only playing around so dont see it going anywhere

though if it works and people like it, i have a small game idea i might put it in to

[mighty carbon]

I don't know if it's due to Meltdown/Spectre patches on Win 10, but even with GeForce overlay off, I still get 20 fps in the Editor :/

[real needle]

@mighty carbon You're using the rift aren't you? I have the same problem

[sturdy coral]

did you turn off the beta? I don't know if Dash caused any slowdown, but it messed up my mouse

so I ended up disabling it

I haven't tested with Rift in a while though, there may be a different issue

[wicked oak]

@granite jacinth congrats on contagion, you are frontpaged on Vive with really, REALLY good comments

told you posting on r/vive would be good

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak huh? really?

[wicked oak]

the vive post you put there has great comments

very positive

btw, the dino game i worked on for gearvr has great reviews

people say it has great graphics and runs incredible

they also say that only headlocked aim is not good, they want controller support

ill probably work on it

its got more than 200 sales already (2 days, gallery i think)

https://www.oculus.com/experiences/gear-vr/1480250182029706/

i went at it with debuggers and lots of crazy shit to try to optimize it a lot

[gritty remnant]

kind of confused how the offset works even though nothing is plugging in to "Angle Deg"

Forgot to add the printscreen

[mighty carbon]

@sturdy coral I don't have Dash installed yet

[sturdy coral]

@gritty remnant

you have to add the rotation after the offset

basically things normally pivot around the vr root, and the player/hmd ends up sweeping out a circle

instead this sweeps the VR root around a circle (rotatevectoraroundaxis) and that cancels out the movement that happens later when rotating the VR root

if I wrote that code now I'd do it differently directly with transform conversions

[gritty remnant]

@muchcharles#2724 the thing is... what i put there works <.<

its meant to be a incrimental or "comfort" rotation

actually... it wasnt and thanks for the fix @sturdy coral

[sturdy coral]

np

[gritty remnant]

end result =

[sturdy coral]

@gritty remnant one thing to watch out for is applying it in two steps like I did (offset, then rotation of root) might cause you to trigger overlap volumes you didn't mean to, it would be a bit better to calculate the transform then apply it all at once

[gritty remnant]

im not a coder... but if the mini project goes anywhere i will probs go back over it anyway

im just working on the basic stuff at the moment

[mighty carbon]

https://www.roadtovr.com/ces-2018-vive-wireless-adapter-hands-on-robust-connection-latency-too/

[frank furnace]

hi people

I was wondering, how hard is to track things with oculus?, I mean hacking it somehow to track ir markers in, for example a tablet? And furthermore, how hard would be to make that tablet stream a camera projection of a VR enviroment from that tracking?

[mighty carbon]

man, performance in PIE VR is even worse after Meltdown/Spectre patches to BIOS and GPU drivers update

[sturdy coral]

@frank furnace wouldn't be easy, the camera shutter only lasts a few microseconds and is synced to the LEDs

they do have an API for using a third controller as a tracked object now though

[frank furnace]

i'm thinking in that

in fact i think the first step is to attach that third controller to a hat and use the monitor as a screen

doing head tracking should be accurate and problably easy for thoe who know some stuff,

the hard part to me to approach is the 2d projection on the screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw

but it's doable

it might be a great way to make still use the sensor even when you dont have the hmd on

hey dude, are you the same @sturdy coral from here https://forums.unrealengine.com/development-discussion/rendering/113256-setting-the-projectionmatrix

[sturdy coral]

yeah

[frank furnace]

dope, such a coincidence, I was looking post, so you deal with this before?

[sturdy coral]

not other than wanting them to add it

there are several people on youtube who have done things like that johnny lee video using vive trackers

but I don't know if any were with unreal engine

[frank furnace]

oh, i have to search those videos, Any tags or links?

[sturdy coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrT7FqpPQE

https://vimeo.com/210446750

this is a bit different but close to what you are wanting with a tablet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxguv8_zTg

[frank furnace]

head coupled perspective, awesome, I didn't had that term in my personal dictionary

[sturdy coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gkidC6hTlY

[frank furnace]

damn, I bought the wrong hmd, damn,

[sturdy coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdr002nBQvI

yeah, Oculus controllers won't even track if the HMD isn't worn

@frank furnace ^

[frank furnace]

mmm, I could return them

no...

well, I hope to find the way of hacking it,

[sturdy coral]

@frank furnace with lighthouse you can even embed sensors into other devices. it costs a bit of money for a kit though:

https://partner.steamgames.com/vrlicensing

but HTC also sells a standalone tracker that isn't shaped like a controller that you can screw to any tripod mount

https://www.vive.com/us/vive-tracker/

[frank furnace]

damn... so much i didn't know

the trackers I did know, but I read about the third oculus controller and hope filled me

[sour halo]

is it possible to make the character move in the motion controller map with the left joystick? (and teleport with the right joystick for example)

[sturdy coral]

@sour halo no, it uses a pawn instead of a character so it isn't easy

[sour halo]

what is a pawn?

[sturdy coral]

mordentral's plugin includes both kinds of movement in his template project

and you can select between them for each hand

@sour halo https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Gameplay/Framework/

@sour halo a pawn is the base class of character. it is an entity that can be possessed and controlled by the player, but it doesn't have a lot of movement or replication logic on its own

a character is much more complicated, replicated over the network, and handles lots of different kinds of movement modes (walking, swiming, flying)

[sour halo]

okok

too bad

is it really complicate?

because it can teleport on every surface

so there is collision

but why cant he move with a joystick?

[sturdy coral]

I just told you

as a pawn, you can make him fly with the joystick pretty easily, but that's about it.

[sour halo]

oh how can he fly?

[sturdy coral]

@sour halo https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Blueprint_Six-DOF_Flying_Pawn_Tutorial

[sour halo]

thanks

[sturdy coral]

you don't need all six-dof for it, you never want to pitch or roll

(most likely)

[sour halo]

ok ill see that

[frank furnace]

muchcharles, your awesome, very helpful, I'm diggin all the vive stuff and learnig a lot. Soon I'll have some time to develop some experiment and this info is very helpful

do you work in epic?

[sturdy coral]

@frank furnace nah just working on a VR game on my own

[frank furnace]

very active in the community nontheless, thanks for sharing your time

what is about your game?, anything published?

[rocky nimbus]

Is this a cascades issue?

Not really sure where I messed up

[sturdy coral]

@rocky nimbus looks like you need a bigger shadow bias

[rocky nimbus]

@sturdy coral That did it nicely, thank you

[sturdy coral]

@rocky nimbus you need more bias when the shadowmap resolution is relatively low, hard to tell how high res it is from the screenshot without know how far up from the floor it is

[rocky nimbus]

Very close to the floor. The further I am, the less noticeable the lines are. From a certain distance, about human height, the floor in some places looks as if there are overlapping duplicate meshes. It gives off that effect, but adjusting the shadow bias did solve it and I have perfect shadows everywhere now.

@sturdy coral

[mighty carbon]

well, everything that ran at 90 fps is now running at 45. "Thanks" to MS patch for Meltdown and Spectre.. I wish I had a choice to opt out of those 😒

or maybe it's a video driver... rolling back to 388.43 to see if that's the case

[sturdy coral]

@mighty carbon your CPU is too weak anyway though, it is around the oculus min spec

the editor takes a lot more processing power, checks aren't compiled out, extra editor related processing goes on, etc.

[mighty carbon]

Well, it worked just fine

I mean, my shipping build ran at 90 fps

Without Editor running

[sturdy coral]

I wouldn't want to opt out of those patches, there were even browser vulnerabilities from them I believe

@mighty carbon what does your shipping build run at now?

it goes into asw too?

[mighty carbon]

45 fps all the time

[sturdy coral]

well yeah that's different and that sucks

[mighty carbon]

Used to run at 90 and sometimes drop to 45

[sturdy coral]

I wonder if oculus will be as stringent if it really is due to those patches

or if they will have to raise the min spec, since a lot of stuff is already released

have you tried robo recall? are you getting reprojection there?

[mighty carbon]

I haven't yet

[sturdy coral]

they disable some features based on CPU benchmarking so it might not happen

[mighty carbon]

Trying older video driver in a bit

[sturdy coral]

but, their benchmarking isn't heavily testing system calls and stuff so I don't know that it would give an accurate reflection of your performance under meltdown/spectre patches

[mighty carbon]

That's why I think Santa Cruz and consoles is the future for mass VR

[sturdy coral]

@mighty carbon because of one security patch? you realize there were patches for ARM too...

[mighty carbon]

I haven't gotten one for my phone

Not just that

[sturdy coral]

consoles will potentially need to be patched too, since they have webbrowers etc.

[mighty carbon]

Imagine people got min specs PC and then got this nasty surprise

MS already reported Meltdown and Spectre don't affect XB1 family

[sturdy coral]

ah yeah, well they are AMD I guess

I thought that was still affected by spectre and not meltdown, but I haven't kept up with it lately

[mighty carbon]

😅 Seems like it was Nvidia drivers

90 fps with 388.43

sent a tweet to Nvidia

https://twitter.com/motorsep/status/952388321635897345

Alejandro Zuboff (@motorsep)

@nvidia It seems that 390.65 @NVIDIAGeForce driver causes massive performance drop in @UnrealEngine VR apps running in @OculusRift. I had to revert back to 388.43 driver to get my fps back to 90 when developing with #UE4

Twitter

plz RT if you can

well, batteries lasted for quite some time in my Touch.. They are quite energy efficient.

[real needle]

Has anyone found a good way to detect when the headset camera is looking through something?
Want to stop players from looking inside meshes (example: making an outline of the mesh you're looking in and disabling sight of everything else so you can't look through walls, but know where the wall is and how to get out

[rustic cargo]

@real needle Best stuff I've seen is where you push your head against the wall, and it pushes you backwards. Hypatia implements it, also there was a demo that did it (Forget the name - Doom style graphics, running around in sewer shooting things)

[gritty remnant]

is there a way to get the Camera's height in the world?

[glossy agate]

Yes. You just get the relative position of the z axis

[gritty remnant]

ah... sounds easy

[wicked oak]

testing main menu for the vr game

the blue panels will end up having actual UI stuff instead of being RNG panels

[sturdy coral]

@real needle one way is to make unlit black back faces on everything and make every mesh water tight. You'll still be able to see through some things due to near clip plane though

[alpine torrent]

that have improved a lot @wicked oak

[wicked oak]

full pic

im still using the simpler code for the other tables (the blue ones)

some weird ass plating, but i left it there for the cool factor

[sturdy coral]

loooks real good

[wicked oak]

i still think it needs more stuff

but, what

thats why i went and HD-d the panels

its getting closer to gettting finished, thats for sure

[trail shale]

What's the trick to grabbing the user's camera for VR and making it look at a location (I know this is to be used extremely sparingly....I just want to nudge them very, very slightly (they are already looking at the object in question....I want to lock their view and zoom in for just 2 seconds and then release

[wicked oak]

you cant

[glossy agate]

I have never seen it pulled off good. Have you tried it?

[wicked oak]

do not EVER do it

there are tricks, like using sound

to catch the attention

and also using lighting

[glossy agate]

Its really jarring and just feels like the game has frozen

[wicked oak]

you could do something like blur everything except the target, too

most games just do cinema style tricks with light and dark to do it

[trail shale]

context

escape fire simulator for kids, roomscale

they are instructed to close that door

however, if they touch the knob, I want to get their focus

right now I time dialate to freeze everything

[wicked oak]

turns off most of the lights

make the door shine

also make it CLANG or jingle

[trail shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396039642060816384/402158315351572500/unknown.png

then I make the door material pulse

like it's white hot

with some vertex stuff

[glossy agate]

yeah just an emissive indicator should be enough

[trail shale]

and a sizzle sound

can it be done? I want to play with it

they are already looking their

*there

I'm sensative to VR motion sickness so I'll know if it will affect others and I'll mnimize it

[glossy agate]

it can be done just setting the cam transform probably. Serious same VR tried that with cut scenes. Nearly made me fall over, and I never get VR sick

they changed it right away

[trail shale]

I'll treat it like using a hot poker to wave a bug off someone's shoulder

[dusky moon]

@trail shale In your case, to direct user's attention you can also use 3D Motion Graphics... like a 3d Line that traces from user's body and points through the door . if it fits your design though

[trail shale]

that's a thought, thank you

[tired tree]

@royal anchor Alcatraz#2916 @sturdy coral @wicked oak

Damn it

// No VR platforms are officially supporting dynamic resolution with Engine default's dynamic resolution state.
const bool bIsStereo = GEngine->StereoRenderingDevice.IsValid() ? GEngine->StereoRenderingDevice->IsStereoEnabled() : false;
if (bIsStereo)
{
return false;
}
return GRHISupportsDynamicResolution;

[wicked oak]

feels bad man

can it be fixed somehow?

oculus did have dynamic res

[tired tree]

how they are currently doing it wouldn't work for VR

[wicked oak]

why not?

[tired tree]

I had hoped they would use a seperate method, but I guess not?

[wicked oak]

well, fuck

guess im on my own implementing john alcatraz dynamic resolution for psvr

the one he uses works on steam, he has a PR somewhere

[tired tree]

i assume it will be added someday...

[wicked oak]

might be able to translate it to PSVR

becouse i do need that feature

a good deal

[mighty carbon]

https://uploadvr.com/yaw-vr-portable-motion-simulator-seat-headset/

I don't know if such devices can be made any cheaper...

[sturdy coral]

@tired tree the actual temporal upscaling does work in VR though, so I wonder what is wrong with their dynamic res?

the only thing I did see is that their dynamic res has an 8-frame delay before changing or something like that, because of the way the upsampling filter is dealing with neighbor pixels (each pixel neighbors 8 others)

[wicked oak]

8 frames?

wtf

[sturdy coral]

@wicked oak I think it may just be a rate limit and not a delay (no changing more than once every 8 frames)

I'd have to look through again

[tired tree]

its so they can sample perf

otherwise you can get jumps up and down

since they are averaging

[sturdy coral]

nah it was commented in their specifically for something with the upsample filter

but they do do a lot of stuff like that too

rejecting outliers, etc.

preventing oscillation in different ways

[tired tree]

surely they aren't running TAA's history across 8 frames?

[sturdy coral]

TAA even now defaults to something like 4% contribution per frame

but there are a lot of filters that will increase the contribution

if too many neighbors also changed

[wicked oak]

how does the taa work in vr?

have you tested it

[sturdy coral]

the old TAA used a cross hatch thing for that, I think just the pixel above and below and to the sides, this one since it is moving to sample over a broader area than just subpixels has to use a fatter surrounding area

[wicked oak]

any changes?

[sturdy coral]

I haven't tested it again since I last talked about testing it here

but it worked in VR

[wicked oak]

but was it any use?

[sturdy coral]

I never tested it on a demanding scene unfortunately

it worked in the VR template entry map, which had some text on the walls and stuff

but not a lot of motion

or really any motion other than your head

[wicked oak]

cost?

TAA on ps4 is nearly 1 ms

[tired tree]

don't think you are going to get many players that find TAA acceptable

regardless of cost

[sturdy coral]

I posted a profiler thing but I don't remember, it was pretty high

[wicked oak]

game will run at 90 fps on base ps4, so taa will work "better" than at 60 fps

[sturdy coral]

@tired tree if they can run at a higher effective resolution I think they might, and if it makes dynamic resolution less jarring

[tired tree]

I ran TAA at super high upscaling with multires

AND i adjusted a ton of its variables, and it was still like having something smearing on the screen

UE4s TAA is just very very blurry

[wicked oak]

on DWVR i ran FXAA for perf

but honestly i would prefer something better

[sturdy coral]

it still depends scene by scene too, tessellated ground with lots of rocks looks a lot better with TAA than with MSAA

[tired tree]

Sports bar ran a naive sharpening filter for TAA which helped clean it up a bit

[sturdy coral]

and certain things with lots of shader aliasing

[wicked oak]

isnt there a forum postprocess that essentially postprocess TAA with border detection?

like, only running TAA blurring on edges

[tired tree]

it is, but it has a few artifacts and the dev hasn't posted since 4.17

[sturdy coral]

a mip bias can help too, but adds perf cost; I think taa upsampling automatically does one because otherwise you can potentially be using mip maps targeting something that is 50% of your real resolution when it dips down

[tired tree]

they implemented dynamic res with MSAA too right?

[wicked oak]

no msaa on ps4

for now

i havent checked last 4.19 version, but there was something that pointed to it