virtual-reality

[granite jacinth]

You can't do Morph Targets in UE4

On Static Meshes

that's what I was saying

[wicked oak]

but i can use houdini magic to encode the morph target in the vertex color

and just use the vertex color as an offset

[zinc violet]

well, you can, if you use the max thing 😄

[granite jacinth]

in Maya

you can even do it without a bone

[zinc violet]

but you can't use the morphs stored in fbx

[granite jacinth]

If that's what you are talking about

[zinc violet]

you need to bake the data

[granite jacinth]

By "static meshes"

[zinc violet]

you can use alembic if you need something without skeletons

[wicked oak]

far too overkill

[zinc violet]

too bad they don't have special compression for vertex caches on UE4

CE has that

they compress it big time

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak you loving Houdini now?

[wicked oak]

hell yes

[granite jacinth]

After your trial, you going to buy it?

[wicked oak]

i model fast stuff in Blender and write cool shit in houdini

[granite jacinth]

or sub, whatever it is

[wicked oak]

yes

i already did

[granite jacinth]

ah nice

[wicked oak]

a while ago

[granite jacinth]

I don't know where I am going to go when I get back into Art

Blender is looking nice

now

[wicked oak]

Blender is definitely top tier now

[granite jacinth]

But I might go back to MODO

[wicked oak]

it wasnt a few years ago

but now it is

[granite jacinth]

I havent' played with that in awhile

[wicked oak]

for games, its 99% of the way of maya/max features

and better in a good amount of parts, like pure polymodelling

[granite jacinth]

Almost

I am obviously more comfy in Maya

four years of education in it does that

[wicked oak]

if you know your 10 hotkeys or so in blender, you can be stupid fast

like, pretty much the fastest polymodeller around. But ive heard good things about modo

definitely a lot faster than maya/max

even if you do use hotkeys in maya/max

[granite jacinth]

I'm trying to think what I want to do with my Motion Capture stuff

Trying to see if I can do a quick VR game with it

Sort of like Starseed or whatever it's called

[wicked oak]

make a swordfight game

use mocap to mocap a fuck ton of attacks for the enemy

[granite jacinth]

Hah, that's not a bad idea

Also have access to Faceware now

[wicked oak]

and then the AI essentially does a random selection

making the ai itself parry is the hard thing lol

[granite jacinth]

So would like to get some nice voice acting

[wicked oak]

i guess you could look where the attack is coming, and then you trigger a parry anim

[granite jacinth]

I don't know, I need to do some more research

Look at what's trending in VR

[wicked oak]

PC market has slowed down massively

[granite jacinth]

Try to do something "new"

If I could

[wicked oak]

people still want RPGs

[granite jacinth]

I'd like to have a 3-month cycle

[wicked oak]

look at Orbus VR getting quite big, while its extremelly bare bones

[granite jacinth]

Alternate between VR and Non-VR

But I would need to develop a nice workflow

[wicked oak]

an RPG would be a good use of that

you use mocap for the NPCs, and face animations/etc for when they give you a quest

[granite jacinth]

Aye, true

[wicked oak]

then you go slap 10 goblins or whatever

[granite jacinth]

I was thinking about that last night

Coop RPG

[wicked oak]

there is a game i was thinking about the other day. I was thinking on the timeloops in stories

and was thinking on how a timeloop game would work

[granite jacinth]

I don't know why, but I have been having a blast playing rec room Quest

[wicked oak]

a timeloop RPG

[granite jacinth]

and a few other Dungeon Crawler Cooop VR games

[wicked oak]

like in mayoras mask, you run out of time you die and you reset from day 0

[granite jacinth]

timeloop?

ah

[wicked oak]

NPCs all have their own schedule you can "crack" to get them to do stuff

[granite jacinth]

RE:Zero it

[wicked oak]

pretty much that

sadly the game would be 100% fucking destroyed if you look at any guide

[granite jacinth]

I just wish I could clone myself

one devoted to art, the other programming 😉

[wicked oak]

it would be a fucking disaster if i did that

now its 2 high level programmers and still 0 art

[granite jacinth]

lol

[wicked oak]

the way i was thinking about the combat in a timeloop rpg

is that enemies have very clearly set patterns

and you combat by countering them

you would have a journal you can write notes in

and you keep it through timeloops

[granite jacinth]

I don't know. Once this one contract is finished, I'll still have the other long-term one, so I think I'm goign to sub-contract a few things out to get stuff going.

[wicked oak]

every time in the game you can pause and write something in there

[granite jacinth]

There's no reason why I shouldn't have had released a game this year.

[wicked oak]

by finishing a quest or similar, the NPC would give you a piece of information or trinket or whatever that would help you befriend them faster in other timeloops

[granite jacinth]

Timeloop system would be crazy complicated

[wicked oak]

something like that would have you essentially befriending half of the fucking town to get stuff done

yes

[granite jacinth]

You'd have to really plan it out ahead of time

It's not something that can just be TDD'd

[wicked oak]

thats pretty much the thing

its SUPER hard to plan

and SUPER hard to write for

[granite jacinth]

right, but you need something

[wicked oak]

something like that also needs branching storylines

and be character driven

you cant "level up" at all

so no grinding or anything, essentially just story/mystery/unfolding stuff

and again, everything would be ruined if you get spoiled or watch a guide

becouse it would be far too easy to know that Wolf does "howl -> strong attack -> dodge -> low attack"

technically, is not that hard

but you need to script the personality and states of each NPC through the few days of the story

and of course, all the dependencies

on afternoon of day 2, John Smith dies in the road to his house, becouse he gets mugged by Robert Robber and shanked

so what do you do if you kill Robert Robber, or convince him to do something else that day

now John Smith doesnt die on day 2

keeping this stuff on mind would be a mayor network of nightmare

[granite jacinth]

heh, you'd have to break it up into different systems

[wicked oak]

of course, you can keep the storylines disconected

but then its nowhere near as cool

the fun of something like that is to be at day 3, and hear the rumor "hey, did you hear John Smith was shanked yesterday"

and then on the next timeloop you see him being shanked

andthen you try to find a way to avoid it

i dont think a game like this would need graphics, being so story driven. Pixel art RPG maker style would do good

in full 3d it could be something spectacular, but too complex

and then you read a guide and literally metagame the game in around 15 minutes

[granite jacinth]

yeah

That's the problem with the interwebz these days

[mighty carbon]

Has anyone played Dishonored 1 and 2 and Deus Ex HR / MD ?

I'd love to see publishers letting indies use those kind of IPs (with assets) for VR games/experiences

(for profit share of course)

[granite jacinth]

?

No

Wouldn't happen anyway. People like their IPs

And all the money they get from them

Why "profit share" with some lowbie Indie, when they can get 100%

[mighty carbon]

that makes no sense.. They already have assets that will rot on their HDDs

[granite jacinth]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

If you don't think that makes sense, there's no point in discussing this

[mighty carbon]

they won't get anything.. those games are one-shot games.. They don't recycle assets.

[glossy agate]

I think its more the characters and the name they don't want an indie to ruin.

You have all the infinity blade assets though if you want to do infinity blade VR haha

[sturdy coral]

yep, same reason Disney isn't going to let you make a new mickey mouse story in VR with a profit share

bethesda is coming close to it with their future paid mod stuff though

[mighty carbon]

well, obviously there is a proof of concept

you guys make it sound they would give access to anyone and allow do anything without any sort of supervision

[glossy agate]

No not like that. Just harder. The Insidious VR game was a licensed project that an indie company did.

So its possible but bigger IPs probably cost a bunch and have a lot of hoops.

If it wasn't too hard I would be trying to get that sweet sweet Harry Potter license. Would kill it in VR

[slow swift]

I'm using a VRStereoWidget from @tired tree 's VRExpansion (4.17) to draw a menu widget (on a Stereo Layer). When I press the menu button, I spawn an actor that has the VRStereoWidget on it. When I exit the menu, I destroy the menu actor. The actor goes away, but the stereo layer stays and follows my pawn around for the rest of the level. Does anyone know how I should be cleaning up the stereo layer?

[real needle]

@slow swift Try to set the widget components widget to null?

Stereo layers are good for some things but I ended up with too many issues between rift/vive to bother using them

[slow swift]

@real needle You mean like this?

That doesn't make it go away

It seems like the stereo layer is getting disassociated from the widget anyway, since the widget gets destroyed when the actor is destroyed

[real needle]

@slow swift yeah, that's what I meant

I think you're on a version where there's a bool to change it to a regular widget (within the VRStereoWidget). I would just check that and continue, there was always something with stereo layers that was bothersome...

I never had that issue though

[slow swift]

I don't want to use regular widgets, the sterei widgets look SO much better

[sturdy coral]

Got my PSVR in today, it is nice

I like the screen/optics better than any other headset so far I think

Don't have move controllers yet

[granite jacinth]

😭

I actually still have my PSVR packed up

I meant to buy some games

got busy, oh wells

[wicked oak]

about the IP stuff

depends on the publisher

there are publishers that if you show them a very neat "fangame", they might let you publish it for a revshare

Valve and Sega are examples of that

Square enix also has some kind of indie kickstarter-y thing, so they might be open to that kind of stuff

for something like that, the best thing would be to develop your fangame

create a pitch and a verticalslice/prototype

and contact the publisher

if they like it, sweet, if they dont, you change name of the project and call it "spiritual succesor" or "based on X"

publishers that will not ever accept would be EA and Nintendo

Nintendo will never, ever, recognize a fangame

look at "another metroid 2 remake". It was a GOLD opportunity for nintendo to deal with the dev and release it as an actual game

but niope, better DMCA him

[echo thorn]

i think its a virtual point index problem ! i have to click on the text box every time i want to type something . anyone knows how this will work?

Hello everyone , i am having a problem with the widget interaction in vr

[mighty carbon]

Worth trying with Deus Ex and Darksiders franchises

I wouldn't bother with a fan-game without ability to re-use existing assets

[mighty carbon]

Is real-time AO available with Forward Rendering ?

[sturdy coral]

@mighty carbon I don't think so and if so it still needs TAA I'm pretty sure

it needs normals to work off of, I think @full junco talked with someone about making it work on depth alone

gran turismo sport for PSVR looks nice but is super limited, only 1v1 computer races in VR and no multiplayer at all

I understand the limitations of the system and why they probably had to do it, but it is pretty crazy to bundle it with PSVR when its support is so limited

[wicked oak]

thats becouse the deal was done before the game was done

and then they just rolled with it

[sturdy coral]

also sucks my g27 doesn't work with ps4 :/

on PC you can probably still use wheels from 20 years ago

[mighty carbon]

did you get PS4 Pro ?

[sturdy coral]

nope, still have just the base system

[native cedar]

friends

can you find any reason as per why unreal is not using 100% of the gpu in-engine? Empty level at 45fps with gpu load of around 20%

same level, in build, gpu load 40% and 90fps. Increasing screen percentage increases gpu load on build with same fps, while in engine gpu load stays the same, fps just go down

[granite jacinth]

@native cedar depends

what hmd?

[native cedar]

oculus

[granite jacinth]

yeah

[native cedar]

honestly I think it's due to some of this laptop bullshit

[granite jacinth]

it'll just auto 45

if you go below 90

and do that repro thingie

[native cedar]

yeah, frame skipping

[granite jacinth]

so it doesn't mean you're actually using 100 gpu

could be cpu side of things

causing the frame drop

[native cedar]

thing is, performance in build is infinitely higher, talking 10x. Empty level on empty project

[granite jacinth]

CPU bound rather than GPU

You just gotta do performance optimizations

[native cedar]

cpu time is arund 2ms or lower both on game and draw

[granite jacinth]

show

[native cedar]

might take a while

15 ms on an empty level with a 1070

screen percentage 100

[wicked oak]

that "alll opaque" is busted somehow

how in the hell is it going to be 11 ms

i have less and i have full complex levels

[native cedar]

screen percentage 70,, gpu load super low, still high gpu time

I think it's an oculus problem

or my laptop

I even had to get a freaking powered usb 3.0 hub just to get the sensors working (it was connecting and disconnecting continously)

also I am suffering hdmi signal noise (red lines and dots)

[wicked oak]

it does look like a laptop issue

damn shame

[native cedar]

best part

bought a mini display port adapter since many had the same issue and solved connecting to an adapted displayport instead of the hdmi

connecting it crashes the entire os

and

[spiral zephyr]

crashes os..hahaha 😭 Weird proprietary driver?

[native cedar]

after an interesting call with customer support they told me they can call the assistance but they will just say everything is working and send it back

it's nvidia's latest drivers

I am running out of options and wasting so much time, sorry for ranting in here

but the strange part is: a build runs perfectly

with some shadowed cubes and atmospheric fog (super expensive in VR) and screen percentage 200 still runs at 90fps (barely)

I just really need to work and don't wanna fly back home for the holidays so I am trying to make this thing go but I won't work if I have to iterate slowly like building everytime

[spiral zephyr]

engine scalability settings on auto/low?

just came here, sorry if you already covered this further up

oh is in game preview

[native cedar]

that's a good idea

will test with engine scalability

but

[spiral zephyr]

thats mostly for in-editor windows iirc

[native cedar]

looke here, this is in-build performance

[spiral zephyr]

light is built etc? stuff is cooked?(cooked might just be for builds idunno)

[granite jacinth]

@native cedar yo

I think this is an editor bug then

Because I have been having issues

And might just be Rift focused

Or Windows Update

I've been trying to 100% repro this bug

without success

Going to refresh my PC this weekend just in case though

Also bought a few new usb 3.0 PCIe

[native cedar]

maybe I can setup my workflow with launching -game with uncooked content

[spiral zephyr]

how is it when simulating?

[native cedar]

usb hub is a good move

interesting point arthur

I will compare with simulation, no fps smoothing

[spiral zephyr]

unless you are designing motion controller/vrpawn specific interactions, you can test a lot and iterate with just simulation. I use some custom events/bpstuff that does the things that normally is only triggered in game, that can be turned on/off with a switch. A kind of debug thing.

[native cedar]

gpu does not seem to misbehave on simulate, screenpercentage 300, no fps cap

yeah problem is I am working exactly with VR interaction gameplay programming, it's literally 100% of the work and it's a ton of work, haha

[spiral zephyr]

omg oh well

[native cedar]

am I not the luckiest man on earth

I will make it anyway, I aways do! first it did not even work, now I only have a performance problem in-editor, with calm and perseverance everything is possible

I thank you guys for your support

[granite jacinth]

@native cedar are you using any plugins?

[native cedar]

only the default ones

UE 4.18

but this happens all the same in a source installation

well... In the end I think I will do with a .bat that runs the map and be at peace for these days

it works fine

[spiral zephyr]

good luck ❤

The fact that its an editor issue and not hardware/laptop issue is some kind of positive, right? hehe

(probably) editor issue

[native cedar]

you haven't seen the REAL issue tho

https://youtu.be/sPDZ5NR72Uc

this is how I will be developing these days - up to 10 hours per day ❤

forgive my shitty pronunciation, I'm kinda smashed and usually I have to warm up my english

[spiral zephyr]

since i run a vive my role should be to tell you oculus suckz and get a vive

but we are adults so im mostly just sorry i cant help!

your english is pretty stellar

[native cedar]

bro I used to work with vive

this client has its own custom implementation of unreal and in this project the logic does not work well with vive, the sent me a cv10 and since it's free I am glad to use it

*I was glad to use it

[spiral zephyr]

logic doent work? they require knuckle controllers or something? oh well, free is free

thought it was all well unified between vr platforms by now

[native cedar]

I mean, could be easy to make it work on vive too, it's just some basic camera position stuff

like in vive my head is at height 0 when with oculus head is at setup height

[spiral zephyr]

vive is less portable though, have to mount lighthouses etc

[native cedar]

however I do not possess a vive

[spiral zephyr]

yea its a small thing

oh

[native cedar]

oculus is well designed in terms of portability I must say

it'd be cool if it also worked

[spiral zephyr]

lol

[sage gulch]

it would be cool if a friggen windows update didn't alter draw performance and then impact physics calculations as a result...

do you have to specifically map ESC and ` in a shipping game? nyuk nyuk nyuk

[glossy agate]

Yes you do

A ton of games never actually add it in though so you have to close through the steam popup menu

[tired tree]

@slow swift beleive that in the newer versions I destroy the stereo layers earlier in the stack because that can take some time while waiting on the garbage collector

are you on an older version?

also was it never being destroyed? or just waiting to be garbage collected?

[slow swift]

@native cedar I didn't follow all the details of your framerate discussion, but do you have the editor minimized when you're taking your numbers? If my editor viewports aren't minimized, my headset fps gets throttled

@tired tree I'm on 4.17, but I'm not sure when I downloaded the plug-in. It might have been early in 4.17

How do I check if it's never destroyed vs waiting for garbage collection? As far as I can tell they NEVER go away.

[tired tree]

I beleive I changed it in 4.18 though

here i'll pm you

I merged the fix back to the 4.17 branch, but will give you a direct link there

[sage gulch]

your headset gets throttled? what headset do you have ecnassianer

I'm pretty sure that windows update screwed up my draw performance, it impacts my image and physics, and I can't roll back the gpu driver from the windows control panel (only update it further apparently, but to no change)

[sturdy coral]

@native cedar all you have to do for that head height thing is set the hmd tracking origin node on both to floor. the default is just different between the two for whatever reason

@sage gulch @slow swift "A significant drop in frame rate occurs when UE4 is not in focus in VR preview mode. To avoid this issue, uncheck the Use Less CPU when in Background in Edit > Editor Preferences > General (left sidebar) > Miscellaneous (left sidebar) > Performance."

[sage gulch]

thanks, I hope that helps this stupid situation

[slow swift]

@sturdy coral @sage gulch That's not quite what I meant. If the editor isnt minimized, (and the VR preview has focus) I get much lower framerates than if the editor is minimized. I'm pretty sure this is by design, since until recently (and still by default) the editor minimizes itself when you start VR Previews.

[sturdy coral]

Oh yeah, that's just from draw calls of the edited viewport I think

Editor

Might be better if you turn off real-time view, not sure

Could be slate overhead of the editor ui too

[slow swift]

@sage gulch Your problem might not be the drivers. When I got Creator's Update it killed perf in all my games. Have your tried disabling Game DVR? That fixed it for me. https://www.drivethelife.com/windows-10/fix-low-fps-after-windows-10-creators-update.html

[sturdy coral]

The thing that fixed perfbfor most people with recent complaints

Was turning off the Nvidia overlay

[slow swift]

Eh, I'm fine with it. I get 45 fps with it up, which is enough for testing. I just need to remember to minimize it when I'm looking at perf.

It drove me nuts when unreal would minimize before

I do too much in blueprints to deal with that shit. :D

I just wish the VR preview would release mouse focus when Unreal hits a blueprint break point!

[sturdy coral]

my problem is now in windows MR it pulls up the virtual keyboard anytime UE4 wants keyboard focus

and keyboard focus is also used for gamepad focus for slate stuff

[granite jacinth]

Anyone ever have any issues with Touch Controller not wanting to Play Haptics on both controllers? I thought both were working, but maybe I just hadn't hooked it up right.

I noticed @full junco submitted a report to Oculus

Something about OpenVR bug

[full junco]

@granite jacinth do you use steamvr or the oculus sdk?

I didn't submit any bug report to oculus, I only entered an issue on the openvr github repo

[granite jacinth]

@full junco both

But, just testing RoboRecall now

more rift bugs

https://unreal-engine-issues.herokuapp.com/issue/UE-33361

[stable shadow]

Hello Guys, I've weird problem, after two or three times of playing in editor with VR (VIVE) I've to restart my SteamVR app, first time the SteamVR can't find the Headset, Controllers and also base stations so I've to restart the SteamVR application again and run the editor one more time, I've this problem with 4.17.2 and 4.18.2

[granite jacinth]

hmm, works in blank vr template tho

gr

[sage gulch]

thanks for the info, yeah I think it was the creators update, to be honest I thought it was installed already but then it did say something about it in edge upon restart just the other day.. what do you guys use to capture footage if not the game dvr? and where do you disable that 'nvidia overlay', I don't see it in the nvidia pref panel.. thank you

vahid I can't tell you if it is related but it seems that sometimes actors in my maps get duplicated and I'm not sure why, because it doesn't happen consistently, but I have to wonder if it is related to a persistant map setting

[stable shadow]

I don't have any warning in my log files about the actors or even the HMD, but it's a very weird problem, I should try to test some other clean project

[granite jacinth]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[stable shadow]

😀

[sturdy coral]

@sage gulch it is in GeForce experience in settings somewhere

[sage gulch]

Ah ok. Haven't been on Windows much for quite a while now, thanks.

hmm, presumably that window should have something in it.. haha

I knew it was the system and not something I did.. hadn't tested on a different box yet, gotta get another DVI cable around here

yeah having a dvr running in geforce and system level at the same time can't help things.. I can bring up the overlay but it won't populate anything into the actual app window, I wonder if that is because I updated the gpu drivers from the device manager after the creators update or point release or whatever it was started this whole issue up

I'm gonna nuke this whole fucking box

[native cedar]

@slow swift my editor is indeed minimized. There is something off here, I don't know what it is yet, but I will find it. For now I am testing with a .bat since I reallly need to get to work, thanks for the inquiry!
@sturdy coral good to know! I will definitely use it in the future

[glossy agate]

May be a VR issue maybe not, not sure. Anyway on character death The full body IK is disabled and it just does a sim physics for the body mesh. For some reason the mesh just starts flashing visibility while simulating. Anyone else have this happen?

[sturdy coral]

@glossy agate you can turn on some stuff to visualize culled objects and see if it is something with that, does your mesh ragdoll have inherit parent bounds on?

[glossy agate]

I’ll try that. It’s the base actor so no inheritance

But culling bounds seem like it wouldn’t be the issue cause it’s right at my feet when it drops

[sturdy coral]

yeah I can't think of much that would make it flicker

@glossy agate you might end up needing to set some breakpoints based on ShouldRender() on the mesh component

possibly GetLastRenderTime() on the actor, though that will be a frame behind before it tells you anything important

@glossy agate set Mesh->MeshComponentUpdateFlag = EMeshComponentUpdateFlag::AlwaysTickPoseAndRefreshBones; too and see if it makes any difference

I've had a motion controller stay invisible when that was set to EMeshComponentUpdateFlag::OnlyTickPoseWhenRendered;

[glossy agate]

Oh awesome thanks! I’ll give that a shot

Probably does need a refresh after detaching from the head and controllers

[rocky nimbus]

@glossy agate Check this with your mesh selected under the 'Rendering' tab

[zinc rose]

anyone know how to test VR properly with a dedicated server in 4.18? doesnt seem to work out of the box

[sage gulch]

not sure what you mean, doesn't that happen on the client? there's a build setting for VR at any rate..

[eternal inlet]

where can i find the rift controllers models?

meshe(s) i mean

[zinc rose]

@sage gulch when i launch the vr preview with dedicated server checked, I get the map loaded but no hmd or controller control.

if I uncheck dedicated server and run, everything works as expected

[sage gulch]

I guess the server doesn't support VR is my guess, I don't know

dedicated server means no client

the hmd runs on a client right

[zinc rose]

i seem to get the same behavior is i launch 2 players and no dedicated server.. i used to test this way all the time in 4.17.. but 4.18 doesnt seem to work with that method either

[fleet veldt]

Can someone pin this to the channel (and possibly remove the older oculus touch images) https://forums.unrealengine.com/filedata/fetch?id=1120770&d=1483140819

[alpine ore]

Hi all, is there a Steam/Vive equivalent to the Oculus 'Has input focus' node or can anyone point me in the direction as to which node will check if the HMD has been removed by the player on a vive

[frosty hull]

can someone help me out with widget interaction component or motion controller input?

i have added a widget interaction component to epics motion controller bp and can hover over buttons of my widget actor, but click / press and release do not work

[fleet veldt]

HI @frosty hull so your'e hearing the sound play? Also is this in multiplayer by chance?

@frosty hull Also create a large button and put it on your bpwidget if you dont' have one already and see if the visual state changes when you "hover" the debug pointer line over it

if you're doing multiplayer make sure you have Virtual User Index and Pointer Index set differently for each client https://answers.unrealengine.com/storage/temp/129316-nobug.png

[alpine ore]

Does anyone know how to pause the game if the Vive headset is removed?

Or the Vive menu button pressed

[primal sky]

@fleet veldt what's the purpose of the delay node? To stop some weird attachment / spawn issues?

[fleet veldt]

@primal sky I copied that from answerhub some other guy did it but he does have the comment there heh. Apparently "IsLocallyControlled" won't return the value he's looking for until after the game has started up (perhaps the pawns have been created but haven't had time to be possesed?)

[primal sky]

Yep

I suspected as much. We ran into a similar issue

This was also our solution. Lol

[thick plaza]

i followed all the steps to add motion controller support on the gear vr documentation for ue4 but the motion controller isnt working and only the camera is :/

[glossy agate]

@zinc rose It wont work in VR. Suprised it worked before for you. You have to package and test for VR. Its kinda annoying, but any MP VR testing in editor wont track. You also need a source engine build for dedicated servers.

[zinc rose]

@glossy agate i never tried dedicated testing in PIE for VR.. I tested daily forever using 2 players, one as server one as not in 4.17 though. its a pain still. both screens move with hmd and both hands move but only the one in focus takes the actual inputs. so testing replication was possible. 4.18 isn't having it though. might just scrap the 4.18 then. having to rebuild the server on every edit to test is insanity. and yea Im using a source build.

[glossy agate]

Oh dang. Im on 4.17 but it never worked. Maybe Ill try again here

[zinc rose]

100% works on 4.17 if you do two players one as server. never tried dedicated. you can move the players so they can see each other. than test your replicated functions by watching the other screen and seeing what happens. kinda crazy how theres no reliable way to test vr though and now that I can't even do THAT ^ method in 4.18... makes me want to give up on VR stuff altogether, at least anything MP.

[wicked oak]

VR mp is insanity

im doing it for my next game anyway becouse i know how to make it work

its still insanity to test

the only way to do it is to emulate all your vr actions on keybinds, and not use vr at all

then for actual vr you test it with the server on a different pc

i use my laptop for this (main pc has vr, laptop runs server)

over wifi, to make it more interesting

[thick plaza]

does the gear vr controller setup guide on the ue4 website work for only 4.17 or can it also work for 4.14 because it hasn't worked for me

[wicked oak]

most of the time i actually run the laptop in listen server. That way i just need a normal package to test and not a full rebuild, wich is faster

[zinc rose]

@wicked oak unbelievable.... iguess VR isn't considered a priorirty at epic which sucks because its still very untapped. I know its always been crippled... but i could at least test in the editor the way i mentioned above. I donno what they would have changed between 17 and 18 to break that. but its seriosuly an AWFUL let down.

[wicked oak]

lmao, VR is quite a huge priority

you only need to see all the VR related stuff each version

[zinc rose]

i have two VR capable PC's and a vive and an oculus... its just insane to have to re package the game every time you want to test

well then correction VR and MP isn't priority

[wicked oak]

and how do you think their errors can be fixed?

[zinc rose]

cant possibly say it is at all if theres no way to actually test it while editing

[wicked oak]

becouse unity cant do VR MP easily in similar ways to UE4

you dont neet to build it, btw

did you know you can launch the game by right clicking the project file?

the launch opens in non-vr mode by default unless you use the "bstartinvr" option

just open it 2 times, listen server in one, and VR client in the other

[zinc rose]

yes i know. i have a script that launches it in vr for me

i meant if i want to test in dedicated server mode.

that method actually only works for me on oculus

on vive it closes the first one with a hard shut down before launching the second one

[wicked oak]

what the fuck

[zinc rose]

i only recently moved the oculus to my main work station and discovered i can launch multiple standalones. def cant with vive so the PIE testing was my only listen server option in 417

[wicked oak]

vive gets in the way of standalone, now thats weird as fuck

that is definitely a bug

you should report it

[zinc rose]

no idea why... i thought that was just "VR" until i tried the oculus on this machine.. (very recently) . i dont like oculus much. relies too heavily on USB and my pc doesnt like that. but for testing. i guess its better

[wicked oak]

4.18 has been... iffy

im using it for my newest project, but that one is not MP (yet)

MP or not MP depends of Sony sponsoring me a bit or not

cant dev MP if i dont have multiple PSVR devkits

[zinc rose]

ive requested from them. a few times.. they keep saying they don't hand'em out ever.

[wicked oak]

several people here have got devkits for free

PS USA btw

are you on euro?

[zinc rose]

Canada

[wicked oak]

then you should be able to get one, easily

im the only guy here that actually bought his devkit

becouse euro

[zinc rose]

im a registered partner with full corp and all.. i have a dedicated account rep. and he says go fk yourself when i ask so

[wicked oak]

do you have a cool project/etc?

[zinc rose]

the last time i asked he said "but the prices are cheaper than they used to be"

its was cool enough at the time was a year ago and playable almost ready to launch.. now its meh since its older and i've moved on. i havent requested anything since a year ago from them. just sorta let that sit til i make money where i can just buy it

[wicked oak]

a year ago the Pro devkits were recently launched

and they really didnt have devkits to give

and they also couldnt give PSVR headsets for the same reason

[zinc rose]

they had dev kits for purchase then

there were around 6k if i remember correctly

so they def had them.. just not to "give"

[wicked oak]

the price you have is wrong by a ridiculous amount

[zinc rose]

nope

its not

[wicked oak]

also price is NDA so cant give specific

[zinc rose]

its like down to a third of that now. but then it was up around there

[wicked oak]

a year ago is when i bought mine

in that case you missed up big time

[zinc rose]

thats CAD i assume but thats whaat the costs were.. thats why i wasnt geting close to buying it

[wicked oak]

becouse if you did have a near finised project, you could have published in no time

and PSVR is cash

[zinc rose]

yeah maybe.. i launched it on steam and that was alright. but i had nothing to test it on for PSVR so I couldn't launch it there and the kit was too much to shell out to hope it would sell more than the cost so meh.

[wicked oak]

what was your game?

can you link?

[zinc rose]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/523940/

Steam

ZombVR

Full-Immersion VR Zombie Game for the HTC Vive and Oculus Touch!DonkeyKwon Games is a one-man indie studio that's creating new features, functionality and the gameplay that players want and need in VR. Here; as my first official game DKG has take...

Price

$13.99

▶ Play video

am off to bed. ttyl man

[primal sky]

looks pretty good but im afraid you are overpriced as people suggested. at most VR games in early access should be pushing the 7.99-8.99 envelope unless you are a fully fully fleshed out title. I really spend a lot of energy analyzing pricing and marketing and come from a business background so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt but.. it does come from experience.

technically speaking it looks good.. functional. checks all the boxes

[glossy agate]

@zinc rose What did you use for the fully body IK solution?

[trail shale]

anyone familiar with this error for 4.18.1? - LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'C:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.18\Engine\Binaries\Win64\UE4-DesktopPlatform.lib'

Happens when I try to package

[sturdy coral]

@zinc rose there is a pull request on github somewhere that fixes dedicated servers with vr preview

@jaunty geyser there is a HMD worn state delegate you can bind to, and a worn status you can query, but it has several bugs at least on older versions

the main one was if you started in VR it never got the initial change to worn on steamvr

you also need to do some changes to make it use the proximity sensor on Vive to make transitions faster (otherwise it is based on the headset not moving for a while)

[fresh laurel]

https://www.vrfocus.com/2017/12/kopin-will-be-oled-vr-game-changer-in-both-augmented-and-virtual-reality/

[granite jacinth]

hmm

[sturdy coral]

has anyone used the SteamVR render model loading stuff built into 4.18?

Source/SteamVR/Private/SteamVRAssetManager.cpp

[tired tree]

its unfinished in 4.18

its finalized in 4.19

and built into the motion controllers

as of 4.19 if yuo have a bool enabled, they auto spawn a PMC and generate the model of the controllers

[sturdy coral]

@tired tree ah cool, do they update the transforms of the component pieces yet?

[tired tree]

per button mappings?

no'

doubt they ever will

the motion controllers don't actually poll input

[sturdy coral]

yeah and the triggers/joysticks

[zinc rose]

@sturdy coral any idea how to track that down? cant seem to find any mention of it

[sage gulch]

my project is into a very sad state

currently reverting back further than I would like, trying to track down this performance/draw problem.. I reverted win10 and it's not quite as bad, but there are some big problems, it's having some issue with Math libs and sending dumps back to Epic about it...

I had added an experimental graphics pack that Epic published, that volumetric shader stuff, ShaderBitsGDC. Awesome looking stuff but I wasn't using anything and it wouldn't build the project, so I removed the folder. It complained about using a Math lib in there, and I left it as the editor suggested, and it would still run. But it still wouldn't build so I deleted it; I was not using anything in that folder! Now the editor is complaining about Math lib problems, it's majorly f-ed up and above my current level =\

Does the editor do something stupid and adopt any library you add into the folder as it's default? w.t.f.

I was confident enough about how things were going that I launched a KS, and apparently it's dead season and an uphill battle on that, but I still wanted to push a demo and this has eaten days of productivity now, any suggestions? The nvidia overlay and xbox win dvr are both off

if I have to undo everything since I added the shader pack, I'm fucked.

ShaderBitsGDC puts itself into Plugins

[zinc rose]

@sturdy coral i think i found it for 414.. i made the mods in the source files and rebuilt. looks like its actually working. need to manually join the dedicated server after launching but thats fine. cool -thx

[frosty hull]

@fleet veldt thanks for your answer! i figured it out yesterday. the problem was somehow related to my widget actor who had something like "setinput ui only" in its BP... i removed that and it started to work

@fleet veldt hm... is "virtual user index" the index of the hand / motion controller and "pointer index" the index of the finger that is pointing? what is it needed for? why make a difference?

[fleet veldt]

@frosty hull the hand is so you can have left right hand for today's vr controllers (touch/vive). The pointer index might be a thing for future vr controllers where your fingers are actually tracked? not sure. or i guess if for some reason you need/want multiple pointers per motion controller.

[frosty hull]

@fleet veldt that makes sense! thx

I just wonder why epic did not include this in their VR starter template

[fleet veldt]

Can someone with an oculus rift connected to your system and running UE4.18.2 do a quick test? Create a new blank (blueprint) ue4 project. Set number of players to 3 and press play. On my machine UE4 locks up for 30 seconds or so. I attached the debugger and seems like it's definetly oculus related just wanted someone else to verify if they have same issue. https://i.imgur.com/xLeHhNH.jpg

[wicked oak]

@fleet veldt huge chance its oculus dash messing it up

[alpine ore]

@sturdy coral Thanks for the response, tried the HMD Worn state but it always seems to return Worn no matter what?? Is there any other mechanism to pause the game if the player presses the Vive controller system button?

[sturdy coral]

@alpine ore it should return not worn after an idle time out. You have to code in proximity sensor support to make it faster

[alpine ore]

@sturdy coral Thanks again, will check again. Do you know if it is possible to check if system button has been pressed, can't seem to locate anything for it, Oculus was so much more straightforward!

[sturdy coral]

@alpine ore there is some around app focus in the steam vr plugin code that I think happens when the system menu is up

[alpine ore]

Cool, will have a plunder, I take it none of this is exposed to blueprints then

[sturdy coral]

@alpine ore I think app focus might be but I'm not sure

[eternal inlet]

any of you guys that experienced that a game you made runs 11ms on vive, but like 30-40ms on Oculus and after profiling it, found that there was something with preanimation pulling like 9-11ms for each character in the scene?

so on the vive, i don't see those hits at all, only on oculus

[real needle]

@eternal inlet I had the same framerate problem, but I never tracked it down to preanimation so can't confirm that. I think I disabled/enabled the oculus plugin, something stupid like that

[eternal inlet]

I actually just found the cause

Very weird... only happends with oculus.. but that fullbody solver i use, ikinema, was spamming warnings in log for no clear reason

So for now, ill just disable when playing on oculus and post a question to ikinema

[real needle]

How easy is it to convert a Radial Menu System from a third person game to a VR Setup?

[fleet veldt]

Anyone know a way to get an event when motion controllers first start tracking? For example if they are on my desk and in power save sleep mode they don't show up in their tracked position until you move them a bit. I would like to run some code when they first wake up and start moving. I guess i could constantly monitor their position every tick and as soon as it wasn't (0,0,0) fire a custom event but i figured there was probably a better way.

[wicked oak]

@eternal inlet there is a cheap ikinema alternative in the marketplace

it doesnt have that many feautres, but its open source

so you can tweak it or change it if needed

ikinema is a black box, nd an expensive one

[eternal inlet]

there is?

[wicked oak]

yes

[eternal inlet]

what's it called?

[wicked oak]

you want full body Ik, no?

i dont remember

[eternal inlet]

yeah

[wicked oak]

i saw it a while ago but havent bought it, it sounded very interesting

and ill probably try it as i would like fullbody IK on my next game

[eternal inlet]

this is what i find under ik

[wicked oak]

i think its the VR IK body thing

they have a "demo"

[static mountain]

hello

this sample don t work for me :

https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Platforms/GearVR/HowTo/MCTouchPadButtons/index.html

i use gearVr and motioncontroller
It seem that onlu motion controller face buton 1 work (back button)
i try the saqmple projet
and other dont work facebutton 2,3,4 etc
someone know why .?

[sturdy coral]

@fleet veldt there is a get tracking status call that returns

enum class ETrackingStatus : uint8
{
    NotTracked,
    InertialOnly,
    Tracked
};```

on all motion controllers

[static mountain]

if someone are interesting, it s not motion controller face buton 1 that witch can be use but Thumbstick up down left and right.

Thumbstick only for the center button

[glossy agate]

Doesn’t even work as an axis mapping?

[static mountain]

i don t arrive to put on gamesetting> input

[alpine ore]

Anybody using analytics in a vr game that is on oculus or steam?

[granite jacinth]

https://i.gyazo.com/ae809e37f1c41c7d3cf1b773f05c9dc2.mp4

Something I've been working on, I can finally spill the beans

Interesting how Spectator Mode cuts out some things

[warped ice]

h0t

[granite jacinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/victorburgosgames

streaming the first part

[full junco]

@sage gulch did you manage to fix your issue?

[sage gulch]

not really, it seems like it's not as prevalent in a previous build but there's some draw errors further back than I recalled encountering

it's been frustrating enough I have taken a day or two off of it basically.. not the best for trying to stay on top of it but I guess two areas I was going to look at are fully removing the ShaderBitsGDC stuff as apparently there is some stuff in the plugins directory, and trying to rebuild yet another test map or turn of persistence, I fear that is a source of trouble

[full junco]

your issue is just the performance?

[sage gulch]

It's hard for me to tell exactly but there are a lot of errors reported, in particular it seems that somehow the ShaderBitGDC stuff is related

[full junco]

what do you mean with "errors reported"?

[sage gulch]

I've ran it with the option to display shader difficulty, but it seems like it's related to certain actors and possible the gpu particles attached to them

[full junco]

if theres an error in the log it should be easy to fix it?

[sage gulch]

it has like hex core dumps and stuff that it emails back to epic.. I'm reloading my last backup

well not exactly core dumps, it runs and doesn't exit or anything, but it is taking memory chunks or something and reporting

lemme run it

so when it loads up, I get a lot of complaints in yellow in the Output log, but nothing that appears to be show stopping. A lot of actors with variables not found, base class probably changed.. not sure how that happened but I can check those actors for excess variables, I often duplicate things and build off from there. No red errors reported though..

[full junco]

yeah thats fine

[sage gulch]

MotionControllerPawnBombyx_C.ReceiveBeginPlay
LogStats: FPlatformStackWalk::StackWalkAndDump - 0.054 s
LogOutputDevice: Error: === Handled ensure: ===
LogOutputDevice: Error: Ensure condition failed: false [File:D:\Build++UE4+Release-4.17+Compile\Sync\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Private\Math\Matrix.cpp] [Line: 8]
LogOutputDevice: Error: FMatrix::InverseFast(), trying to invert a NIL matrix, this results in NaNs! Use Inverse() instead.
LogOutputDevice: Error: Stack:
LogOutputDevice: Error: UE4Editor-Core.dll!0x000000008A263E36
LogOutputDevice: Error: UE4Editor-Core.dll!0x0000000089FEC2D2

and then there is about 50 lines of red errors continuing with UE4Editor-Core.dll!*addresses on and on

LogOutputDevice: Error: KERNEL32.DLL!0x00000000D1252774
LogOutputDevice: Error: ntdll.dll!0x00000000D2650D51
LogStats: SubmitErrorReport - 0.000 s
LogStats: SendNewReport - 0.236 s
LogStats: FDebug::EnsureFailed - 0.303 s
LogUnrealMath: Error: FMatrix::InverseFast(), trying to invert a NIL matrix, this results in NaNs! Use Inverse() instead.
LogUnrealMath: Error: FMatrix::InverseFast(), trying to invert a NIL matrix, this results in NaNs! Use Inverse() instead.

I don't like it. Pretty sure the computer is unhappy too. 😉

[full junco]

and can't you just look at where that happens and fit it?

[sage gulch]

the location in memory?

[full junco]

no, the code that calls that

in MotionControllerPawnBombyx_C.ReceiveBeginPlay

[sage gulch]

wouldn't really know what to look for, but I didn't edit anything there iirc

the very first error is LogUnrealMath: Error: FMatrix::InverseFast(), trying to invert a NIL matrix, this results in NaNs! Use Inverse() instead.

pretty sure this stuff didn't pop up before I tried deleting that plugin, it doesn't seem like that should be related though

[full junco]

didn't you write the code or BP in MotionControllerPawnBombyx_C.ReceiveBeginPlay?

[sage gulch]

nah it's a duplicate of one of the templates from epic

but there are just pages of errors after that, stuff I'm pretty sure was just fine a while back

I am in a bit over my head heh

[full junco]

you can just run the game from visual studio

then it will show you the callstack and you see where it crashed

[sage gulch]

it doesn't actually crash though

but I wasn't aware you can run it from there, thanks

[full junco]

its an ensure

so when launched from VS, it will break at that point

[sage gulch]

hmm I see

[pale burrow]

hey, probably a quick answer to this one. Ive packaged my project (dev build) and when i launch the game, i can see the window on my monitor, but in my oculus its just black

[sage gulch]

build settings check use vr

[sturdy coral]

@pale burrow try packaging the standard VR template just to see if it is an issue with your system or with your specific project

And yeah try use VR too

[pale burrow]

will try, thx for speedy reply

use vr ticked

could it be stereo rendering?

i mean instanced stereo

[cold siren]

@pale burrow when your game starts is it tracking your headset while the oculus HMD is black?

[plain glade]

Hello, Is it possible add some widget to VR Spectator?

[pale burrow]

@cold siren yes, it is :/

[cold siren]

try opening console and typing "stereo on"

[pale burrow]

tried that, no dice

[cold siren]

there is also a cvar bolean that does the same

boolean

before build your vr preview would work?

[pale burrow]

yes

works fine in editor

black screen in package, but i can see it on the monitor fine

[cold siren]

have you tried packagin a blank project with just the VR template?

[pale burrow]

not yet, keep gettign distracted -_-

same issue in new proj

just packaged the default vr project

[sturdy coral]

@pale burrow you should probably send it to someone to test on a diff machine

Are you using the Oculus plugin or Oculus via steamvr plugin?

[pale burrow]

both

[echo thorn]

@pale burrow try this and then package your project

[pale burrow]

i have

[candid viper]

@pale burrow Are you using sublevels? There is an issue where Oculus blacks the screen during loading but can fail to restore it - the Oculus side thinks that loading hasn't finished. It might be that: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/587192/packaged-build-oculus-rift-sublevel-black-screen.html

[frosty hull]

I am trying to make the Pickupable Interface work for my actor, but when I try to pick it up, it seems the actor just slips out of my hands...
I can tell the Pickup Event is being fired, but the Actor is not attached to my the Motion Controller. I compared to the Example Cube, but can't figure out where the problem lies.. Maybe it is my Mesh?

[pale burrow]

@candid viper i am using world comp, do i need to do that for each sublevel? or just for persistent?

@frosty hull check you didnt change the collisions as they may be trying to push apart

[frosty hull]

collision of motion controller hand mesh and the "rocket"-mesh?

[candid viper]

@pale burrow as part of the persistent level on begin play, load all the sub levels.

[trim breach]

hey guys just a quick question: https://www.amazon.com/Oculus-Touch-Virtual-Reality-System-pc/dp/B073X8N1YW/ref=dp_ob_title_vg?th=1 I just want to get started with vr, and I wonder whether this set can be used for programmers
and is this set OK for osx developers?
Thanks

[tired tree]

@sage gulch which plugin did you delete? That NIL matrix error is from the HMD Matrix having a bad value, if you deleted the oculus plugin and are trying to use SteamVR without setting up the boundries first then it will be throwing that as it has an invalid room layout (IE: none)

also some times calibration can become corrupt and require re-init to fix that too

[frosty hull]

@trim breach why not? i've got the same

@trim breach keep in mind that when you go oculus you might need a third sensor and also make sure you have sufficient usb ports

[scenic tundra]

@frosty hull On your rocket mesh, do you have physics enabled as default, collision preset set to PhysicsActor and Simulate Generates Hit Events set to true?

@frosty hull Can you add a branch after the Attach To node and print a string if the branch returns true?

@frosty hull In your VR Pawn blueprint, can you add a breakpoint when the Pickup Actor function is called?

[mighty carbon]

https://uploadvr.com/pico-neo-749-standalone-headset-6dof-tracking/

[scenic tundra]

nice

[mighty carbon]

I think with a bit of extra money one can build desktop VR with Rift/Touch

makes no sense to have underpowered standalone VR HMD for the price of top notch desktop VR system :/

[scenic tundra]

@frosty hull Also, a third sensor is only required for 360 degrees turning. If you don’t need to turn 360 degress, I would not recommend throwing a 100 dollars away.

[tired tree]

quoted wrong person

[scenic tundra]

Sorry @tired tree

@frosty hull One more thing...Does your rocket mesh have a collision on it? I would recommend auto convex collision.

[frosty hull]

@scenic tundra I will look into this.. just a moment

@scenic tundra Simulate Physics is activated on my Static Mesh Component...

@scenic tundra

the function is definitely called

@scenic tundra this is what I set up in sm editor

[tired kettle]

Pico Neo is a viable solution for a point-of-sale situation. No tether, no clunky desktop PC, no hassle with windows. If you use it to showcase stuff, or present work to clients, it would be an awesome and cheap solution (no pc). I hope tracking is fine.

[mighty carbon]

Oculus Go would be probably a better choice for that

(depends on what you are selling though)

[wicked oak]

i highly doubt "pico neo" will be better than oculus go

and oculus go is one third of the price

and that thing has absolutely zero change against santa cruz once that happens

[mighty carbon]

I wonder if 4.19 previews will start this week

[wicked oak]

@mighty carbon epic has been on holyday

since the 22 or so

you can look at github, no commits for 2 weeks

[mighty carbon]

well, in USA today is usually the day when everyone get back to work 😉

[tired tree]

actually he is back to cleaning up 4.19 now

[sturdy coral]

@trim breach ( @frosty hull ) no, Oculus doesn't support OS X, but Vive does

this is a nice toon shader, comic book-style harsh lighting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC1X69dB6Fw

[wicked oak]

not too different from mine

[sturdy coral]

I guess to change outline behavior in the shadows like that would require deferred

[wicked oak]

main difference is the outlines become colored (neat trick)

[sturdy coral]

err forward

[wicked oak]

not really @sturdy coral

becouse that thing actually does not have shadows

[sturdy coral]

I see it receiving shadows between the legs

[wicked oak]

it can be done in forward renderer

but needs you to "hack" into the shader

[sturdy coral]

yeah, looman's page has some stuff on it

[wicked oak]

with a "custom" node

i should test that stuff more, my current toon shaders completely bypass lighting

[sturdy coral]

http://www.tomlooman.com/disneyfaciliershadow/

[granite jacinth]

hmm

What about the shader @upbeat kestrel posted a little while back?

Think it was in #graphics

But yeah, I am glad there are more and more peeps looking into toon-shaders

Definitely need the most optimized and best looking one for VR

[wicked oak]

mine is alright for its incredible simplicity

[upbeat kestrel]

mine is done in deferred

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G_7ps2UsR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYws3gwoRSE

in my case it's a custom shading model + outline postprocessing

i.e. engine mod

it's on github if you want to mess with it

https://github.com/luggld/unrealengine

not cleaned up or optimized in the slightest yet

or documented

so

buyer beware

[wicked oak]

thats how mine looks ATM

on a retextured unrealbot

INCREDIBLY simple

wow, yours works with scene lights

thats fancy

how costly is it?

becouse i might try to add that to my game if its cheap

[upbeat kestrel]

somewhere between default lit and unlit

because I haven't taken out the bits about static lighting yet

[wicked oak]

your example shows how to add a new lighting model, for the toon shading

thats all i need, niiiice

[upbeat kestrel]

unrealbot with his usual materials, but the new shading model

[wicked oak]

the outline is a postprocess, no?

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah

just sampling the base color gradient

[wicked oak]

ive tried to do the postprocess outlines, but didnt have much luck, really

im using mesh outline for the chars, and the environment doesnt have outlines

[upbeat kestrel]

I'm removing most gradients, so pre-PP colors are as flat as possible

no reflections, no AO

no light falloff 😉

[wicked oak]

i couldnt get outlines that worked well in Vr

given the screenspace nature of outlines

[upbeat kestrel]

then just do a 4 or 8 sample cross in PP and check the difference to the center pixel

yeah... sorry, no idea how one would do this in VR

[wicked oak]

ill use your branch as starting point

at least for the "add shader model" part

after that i can edit stuff myself (i know how to shader)

[upbeat kestrel]

one of my youtube videos above has the guide I used linked in its description

but that was outdated af

[wicked oak]

sweet, got any linke?

nvm, you said "above"

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah 😃

<-- lazy linker

[wicked oak]

epic says you can add custom shaders in plugins now

could that be done in a plugin?

[upbeat kestrel]

here

https://blog.felixkate.net/2016/05/22/adding-a-custom-shading-model-1/

[wicked oak]

it would be a FAR superior way of doing it

[mighty carbon]

the only good way yo have outlines in VR is through shell geometry

[upbeat kestrel]

I don't know, I hope it can be done as a plugin

[wicked oak]

thats what im using in the pic above @mighty carbon

[upbeat kestrel]

but haven't had time to look into it more yet

[wicked oak]

sadly, i dont know how the fuck do plugin shaders work

if i knew i could port it myself

[upbeat kestrel]

what with actually trying to find a day or two to relax this holiday 😄

...he says, working on his game

[wicked oak]

uhm, its on the deferred pipeline

i wonder if it will work for forward

becouse im using forward for the HUGE gains i get

in ps4, we are talking 30-40% improvement on frames

due to PS4 being bandwidth starved

[upbeat kestrel]

the shading model works in both

but the PP might not?

[wicked oak]

ps4 chews through drawcalls like nothing

[upbeat kestrel]

wait, actually

[wicked oak]

postprocess do work on forward

[upbeat kestrel]

it's just sampling postprocessinput0 so it should

yeah if they don't access the gbuffer

since forward = no gbuffer

[wicked oak]

you can access depth

[upbeat kestrel]

aye but who is satisfied with just depth? 😄

[wicked oak]

i tried to use SimpleForward on ps4 but couldnt 😦

damn, simpleforward is fucking perfect for this game

as it removes all the fancy stuff

[upbeat kestrel]

(for toon outlines, depth alone doesn't usually suffice for good results, I also sample normals there)

[wicked oak]

yeah, the toon outline i was coding was based on the Chameleon one

but i started editing it a lot

[upbeat kestrel]

regular forward renderer works fine on PS4 though

[wicked oak]

just using it as a starting point

[upbeat kestrel]

not on XBone however

[wicked oak]

oh, reallly?

yeh, forward works great on ps4

[alpine torrent]

really?

it's optimized to PS4?

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah fw is not supported on XBone afaik, since XB has no VR there was no need I guess?

I'd love it for performance

[wicked oak]

@alpine torrent no msaa

but massive gains

why do you think DWVR runs at 90 fps on the pro at 150% screen resolution 😃

[alpine torrent]

@wicked oak no Microsoft Anti-aliasing?

hehe

[wicked oak]

good chance of MSAA on ps4 for forward on 4.19 tho

or 4.20

last time i looked there were plenty of MSAA references in the commits

and i checked the ps4, and yup, msaa confirmed

but i dunno if its a full implementation

[alpine torrent]

as Mixed reality headsets age i guess VR support comes to Xbox too

[wicked oak]

@upbeat kestrel would it be possible to force multipass on a normal engine shader?

to have mesh outlines

render the thing twice, one with inverted normals + just outline color, and the second with the actual mesh

[alpine torrent]

if you have seen that vision from years ago when Xbox one was coming in the horizon

[mighty carbon]

I wonder if it's possible to have g-buffer and forward renderer working together

[upbeat kestrel]

@wicked oak no idea

I think you have to go pretty deep into the renderer's guts there

or maybe look at how clear coat does it

since that can render normals twice

[wicked oak]

i dont think clear coat renders 2 times

just calculates light twice

[upbeat kestrel]

true

[scenic tundra]

@frosty hull Sorry for the delay.

[upbeat kestrel]

but the same might be possible in a vertex shader

[wicked oak]

thing is that it needs to drawcall twice

first drawcall with the vertex shader that inverts normals and grows,and the pixel shader that is just black

[scenic tundra]

@frosty hull I cannot really see the problem. Could you share the blueprint code of attachement, please?

[wicked oak]

and then the actual toon stuff

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah, my gut says you need to rummage around in the guts of the renderer for that

[wicked oak]

not worth the effort

oh, your commit is very self contained and small

really, really useful @upbeat kestrel

i guess tomorrow ill show my results with it

and my performance tests

[upbeat kestrel]

have fun, tag me in your results! I'm curious to see 😃

but also be aware that this is not at all cleaned up or optimized yet

let me send you my notes for usage I made for someone else

- Disable inverse square falloff. Lights have no falloff anyway right now
- Low intensity values are good - 1-50 range makes the tone mapper not go crazy
- Crank shadow sharpen filter up to 1
- Play with shadow bias and sharpen filter if you get jagged shadows.

PostProcess settings:
- disable AO and SSR
- Remove all reflection captures
(Reflections are too noisy to look good with outlines - The outline PP material uses scene color to determine where to put lines, so everything pre-PP should be as flat-colored as possible.)
- PP Material: The bias values let you adjust the treshold, i.e. minimum color difference for there to be an outline. Good to reduce outlines in the skybox for example, or allow for gradients.```

disregard the bit about the PP material, that's in my test project that's not on github

[frosty hull]

@scenic tundra not sure what attachment.. this?

[scenic tundra]

where is the root component reference?

could you take a screenshot where the interface message named Pickup is called?

@frosty hull

[frosty hull]

the interface is from vr template

[scenic tundra]

nothing changed?

[frosty hull]

nope

[scenic tundra]

could you take a screenshot of the other parts of the rocket bp screenshot?

[scenic tundra]

oh that would make sense

did you try to set the static mesh as the root component of your bp

?

For now you just have a scene component

[frosty hull]

idk how

drag'n drop?

[scenic tundra]

press and hold on the static mesh component

and drag it over the scene component

on the left side where you can see the components

[frosty hull]

is this correct?

[scenic tundra]

yes

now

u can delete the shared root component

next thing

would be to show me where you are setting the root component variable. @frosty hull

[frosty hull]

i just rightclicked in the bp and it was already there

[scenic tundra]

oh

well I dont think if it would matter

but could you replace the get root component

with the actual static mesh root

right there on the attach to node

[frosty hull]

but is it not the root component now?

[scenic tundra]

yes it is

told u I dont think if it would matter

also I asked

because I was knowing that the get root component is a pure function

anyway

if you referenced the shared root component anywhere in the blueprint

now is the time to replace it

if not, you can test the game

[frosty hull]

only used "root component" sometimes

[scenic tundra]

@frosty hull

ok stick with it

it is good

I was just a little confused

can you test the game?

[frosty hull]

yes, i'll try

[scenic tundra]

cool let me know if it doesnt work

or if it does

also did you set up the drop event? @frosty hull

[frosty hull]

@scenic tundra have to look into that. should be able to tell you in a minute or so 😉

[scenic tundra]

ok

sure

@frosty hull Hit me up when you test the game.

also are you trying to achieve a catchable rocket? @frosty hull

[frosty hull]

@scenic tundra it works so nice now

[scenic tundra]

cool

[frosty hull]

@scenic tundra thanks a bunch! ^^

[scenic tundra]

glad I could help 😃

[frosty hull]

@scenic tundra no, at least i did not think about it so far. i just wanted to release a rocket from my hands that gets thrusted up and explodes

and it works now 😃

[scenic tundra]

cool

nice idea

like the oculus game tutorial

[frosty hull]

yup, i really liked that

[scenic tundra]

oculus first contact or sth like that

yea

Man I hope they will release the source of that game

it d make our job a lot easier

[sage gulch]

thanks for the suggestion @tired tree , I didn't try to delete any oculus or steam plugins but I might try reinstalling.. is there a direct way to delete or reset the calibration?

[tired tree]

just recalibrating does it.

[wicked birch]

Anyone here happen to know why the VR Expansion Template crashes when I boot it up? I built the SLN for the project successfully and made sure to target my 4.18.2 engine

[wicked birch]

rebuilding isn't working either, unfortunately.

When I target 4.17 I get a "Cannot target Fname.h"

[tired tree]

that is the editor crashing.....

you aren't even in the project yet

go to saved / logs and see if it got to logging yet

[fleet veldt]

probably just my machine but all of a sudden just today i'm getting horrible VR performance. like 25 fps on an empty level.

just curious if anyone else is having issues (windows or oculus update maybe?)

never mind it was geforce overlay had turned back on somehow arg

[mighty carbon]

https://github.com/Jay2645/Unreal-Google-Assistant

that's a game changer for VR

if only it was a simple plugin

exposed to BP

[wicked oak]

compiling toon shading engine edits

on 4.18 branch

ill see what happens and report

more than anything, thanks @upbeat kestrel becouse this is VERY useful as a starting point for all sorts of hacks

knowing how the fuck the shader files and material work means now i can do other custom materials, after all you can add all your want

like create a custom "low quality" lighting shader, that uses simple phong, for example

or a simple model that skips most of unreal bullshit like fog systems or skylight or whatever i want

[upbeat kestrel]

cool 😃

[granite jacinth]

@wicked oak you're welcome too wtf

I brought him here ;()

😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦 😦

[upbeat kestrel]

😛

[tulip surge]

What would you do for leaning in VR and make it feel and look natural?

[mighty carbon]

it's obvious @tulip surge , but whether it feels and looks natural is a big question

😉

oh wow, good news https://uploadvr.com/samsungs-affordable-galaxy-a8-first-non-s-note-phone-support-gear-vr/

[tulip surge]

yeah kinda obvious but I was wondering what kind of ways people would approach

[mighty carbon]

I meant pr0n 😉

Personally I don't really see what I can learn through VR.. Maybe fixing some machinery, but that would be something for workplace. Other than that education stuff for kids is where VR excels IMO. History, basic biology, etc.

[tired tree]

he said leaning...

[sturdy coral]

@wicked oak "or a simple model that skips most of unreal bullshit like fog systems or skylight" I thought that got compiled out and was part of the reason for hundreds of shader permutations

[mighty carbon]

@tired tree that would be continuous education 😉

[tired tree]

LEAN

[mighty carbon]

oh, hah

well, that's really odd question.. Can't one physically lean in VR ?

[tired tree]

and there is no "look and feel natural" in VR with three tracking points

leaning will be assumptions at that point

[sturdy coral]

there are a few things you can do

if the user's head is at the calibrated height, they probably aren't leaning

unless they are on their toes and leaning 😛

[tired tree]

leaning and crouching though

[sturdy coral]

yeah that's the big one

[mighty carbon]

leaning as looking around the corner ?

[sturdy coral]

if their arms are behind their head, and they are lower than calibrated height, they are probably leaning

but not necessarily

[mighty carbon]

or leaning against something? (which is impossible in VR)

[tired tree]

you can't really make assumptions on hand positions to the head during leaning vs crouching as you can do it with both

[sturdy coral]

you can make statistical guesses

[tired tree]

which fail too often

[sturdy coral]

well that

that's true of everything though

if you guess they aren't leaning that's an assumption too

but yeah I haven't seen anyone get it well, and I've tried some systems that use machine learning and stuff

[tired tree]

not sure its worth implementing "leaning" if you can't tell the difference between leaning and walking with your head lowered

ML can't perform magic

even training them fully around three point they will have many fail cases

[sturdy coral]

if you had a user view the three points with positino and orientation for hands and head

I bet they could label leaning vs. not leaning a lot more accurately than you might think

we are super tuned in to estimating gait and personality and stuff from very limited data

[tired tree]

only with a central point

we don't have a core location at three points

it isn't, "head forward from core, hands back"

[sturdy coral]

there are certain constraints like center of gravity

if your arms are way in front of behind of your head you must be counter leaning or balancing with one leg off the ground

[tired tree]

thats not true

pointing both hands forward is the same pose, but at a different height

crouching with both hands out is the same pose, but at the leaning height

it doesn't indicate leaning

I know the ML guys you are talking about

they contacted me months before going public

I said I felt they were overestimating what they could do

[sturdy coral]

add in dynamics of walking around in an uncontrived gait and you get a lot better estimates too

Foo Show uses machine learning too supposedly, but still looks like ass overall

[tired tree]

its a quick way to get passable pose estimation, and its true that using it across transitions should prove more stable

but true "natural" won't hit without at least the 4th tracked point

can infer a ton more with a waist tracker, even upper thigh's basic movements should be telling

[glossy agate]

You could guess with a threshold maybe. Like lean if offset from last position is <= x unreal units. Enable walk if the offset exceeds that or locomotion is used. You could set it via HMD height offset too where top and bottom have lower thresholds than center.

[sturdy coral]

I still think machine learning could get a better results than we see now even with just 3; I don't think it would be usable for adding lean controls or anything but more for social

@tired tree watch how much you can infer from sparse data here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F5ICP9SYLU

not perfect though cause you can occasionally see the forms more than that experiment wanted through shadows when one leg crosses over the other

but like in one cause in there there is just a single arm and you can put together something pretty plausible in your head

for the whole body

[tired tree]

you can "imagine"

for the whole body

off of that one arm

sure

[sturdy coral]

yeah, but your imagination has a lot of constraints on it from that one arm

[tired tree]

and if its for a VK body

[sturdy coral]

that's with no orientations either

[tired tree]

yeah but if its for YOUR IK

thats also 3 points for one arm

[sturdy coral]

I'd imagine the sinosoidal head up and down motion is a lot different if you are walking with a forward lean vs a more vertical crouch

[tired tree]

would assume most use cases for leaning involve mostly static positions

around corners, over railings

peering over things

would be a more common case than trying to walk around leaned

[sturdy coral]

mostly there you just don't want false negatives (on whether leaning or not): walking off a ledge when trying to lean over it

[glossy agate]

Yeah most use cases are like 8-10 inches for it in shooters, and leaning over tables to grab poorly placed objects without getting pushback

[sturdy coral]

you can get by pretty well with thresholding, increase the movement threshold when your head is below calibrated height and more when your arms are behind head

that eliminates a lot of false negatives

[tired tree]

most of them yea

[wicked oak]

toon shader is interesting

the shader keeps reflectivity if you have low roughness

[sturdy coral]

that looks cool; you might want to modify the reflection captures to run a posterize filter or something

[wicked oak]

there are a couple of things i dont really like, but ill start to edit it a bit myself

main thing i dont really like is this effect

see the cutoff?

thats becouse that part of the material is on shadow

i also dont really like how it "falls back" into " normal shader" when its under shadow