thats enough
#virtual-reality
full junco
some people will see a game. if they like it, they will tell others about it. and if those like it, they will tell others about it
pearl tangle
if word of mouth was enough to sell products my entire industry wouldn't exist
full junco
because not every product is good or unique
Tesla doesn't need to pay for any regular advertising, other automakers do
because Tesla just works on stuff where it doesn't really have competitors
I get that word of mouth is not enough for most things
pearl tangle
when you have 1 of the most famous guys on the planet running the company and doing constant PR for it that kinda helps. a little indie guy that nobody knows or has heard of doesn't quite get the same thing when you post on reddit
full junco
elon musk is only one of the most famous guys because he was successfull with tesla and spacex
they aren't successfull because he was famous before
pearl tangle
he created paypal and got $200+mill out of that and got pretty famous, got a big following. they do a shitload of PR. they don't make TV ad's because they just do everything with PR
full junco
he didn't get that "big following" back then
pearl tangle
because social media didn't exist 15 years ago
the newspapers and other traditional media picked up on it and space x was very unsucessful for a long time and nearly went bankrupt
full junco
tesla too
pearl tangle
and it was very unsuccesful for 10 years too
full junco
both almost died 2008, and there he was basically just a guy who has 2 failing companies
well then we agree on that, and my point is just that no one cared about him when he was the guy with the failing companies
he couldnt just tweet something and have all media write about it
pearl tangle
yep they did PR, shitloads of it. they just say they dont do marketing. but they do a tonne of it, just through different means
full junco
I only said they dont pay for regular advertising
pearl tangle
it's like saying apple would be where they are without marketing. nobody would be buying their products if it wasn't for marketing and generating an image around it
neither do a shitload of brands anymore. but they still do marketing
full junco
and apple still benefits from the iphone, which was just quite good back then
pearl tangle
no. they benefit from the marketing and image they have created around owning apple products. they recovered from near bankrupcty purely because of their marketing
full junco
why do you say "no"? lol
they do still benefit from being the company that released the iphone
obviously they have great marketing, but that marketing couldn't have done anything if they wouldn't have had the best smartphones for quite a while
merry lichen
raven halo
I don't quite agree
In my experience it all depended on the speed and even the direction of the acceleration in relation to the players orientation
Up and down acceleration is less problematic than sideways for example
I have a problem with such generalized statements. It discourages devs to try stuff
wicked oak
about the sales of VR...
yo what he was saying up that you get the sales the first 2 days and then dissapear is 100% true
the only way you can avoid that is by having a multiplayer game
where players that like the game tell others so they play with them
or have the utmost greatest singleplayer game of all eras
wicked oak
i dont know about that
i guess it should be possible to add "free DLC" just so it shows on the lists
the last spike is the last sale
got 750 dollars of that sale
launch window got near 4000
mighty carbon
Lol, multiplayer
pearl tangle
ouch
mighty carbon
Just make interesting single player and people will keep playing your game and sales won't die in 2 days. However, without some kind of PR it might not even work. You need people to see your game on the Net. YouTube and Twitch aren't big on VR yet
So I don't really know if major VR outlets will write about yet another wave shooter made by yet another indie.
nova wave
@raven halo agree, with smaller FOV you can comfortably play old Quake. What he writes is a scientific fact but he doesn't say in that quote full truth
mighty carbon
I got insta-sick trying Quake VR
nova wave
In which HMD?
mighty carbon
Gear VR
nova wave
You can simply add a black border around your perspective to limit FOV to not more than 65-71 degrees, it should eliminate all motion sickness
mighty carbon
Or someone could make a mod to allow teleporting ;)
nova wave
It would be a different game then
mighty carbon
Black border takes away from immersion
nova wave
Yeah motion sickness in low poly environments adds a lot of immersion
there are a lot of things in games which can take away immersion - simple fact of gamedev, you have to live with it
glad temple
Any pointers for getting moving platforms to move player pawns/camera?
Such as an elevator
mighty carbon
Well, live with teleport locomotion. You don't get motion sickness and don't take away from immersion
Low poly art style has nothing to do with immersion
eternal inlet
anyone experienced their vive controllers trackpads where one direction fails to detect click?
ie. for 2 of my controllers (i have 5 in total), the right direction fail to detect press
i tried slamming (gently) them on my palm as suggested by some reddit user, but doesn't seem to fix it
hmm, strange now they work again, could have been a driver issue or something, tried switching back and forth between steamvr and steamvr beta
pearl tangle
@glad temple just attach the vr controller to your object and it will work
@eternal inlet try doing the controller calibration stuff within steam vr could help
eternal inlet
@pearl tangle thx it may actually have been the repairing that did the fix
because i switched them all out in succession
eternal inlet
aye
eternal inlet
@glad temple i would use a character component for that, then you can stand on stuff automatically
tired tree
I took mine apart awhile ago and secured them better due to that
nova wave
@mighty carbon I'm telling you about making FOV smaller and you reply with teleport? - logic
eternal inlet
@tired tree that was actually also what i heard other people do
tired tree
its the valid fix
slamming them into palm might reseat if you are lucky
but they will move again
eternal inlet
atleast two of mine have definetely moved a bit
the click feels very different to the other directions
glad temple
@eternal inlet What do you mean? Where would I use the character movement component?
eternal inlet
instead of using a pawn, use a character
nova wave
@glad temple as far as I recall, FPS character from template can walk on moving objects and inherit their velocity
I was driving on aerosled like that
eternal inlet
@nova wave correct, they do, just did a test with that myself
tired tree
characters detect the component they are standing on on tick
call it "floor base"
they inherit its rotation and translation then.
you can mock it up without a character
glad temple
Totally didn't think of that, that worked. Thanks @eternal inlet
glad temple
What are the caveats?
tired tree
character location by default is not the same at HMD location
hmd is location is relative in roomscale to the parent actors 0,0,0
while the character itself would be at that 0,0,0 point
I helped jonas get it working in blueprint, think he has it almost done now
jaunty shell
(Hey everyone ! Any of yall using VR Content Examples from Mitch with a Forward Rendering project ?) NVM found the solution to my problem
tired tree
if you are just looking for bluieprint
glad temple
I also see that teleporting onto moving platforms(or holes in the floor) is a-okay, but walking onto one is not
glad temple
So just gotta move the capsule component to the x/y of the camera?
tired tree
lol
you can't really do that in blueprint, or in engine normally
capsule is the root component
so it is the location of the actor
when you move it, you move the HMD
you need to decouple the HMD location by offsetting it back
glad temple
I gotcha
tired tree
I move the capsule in my C++ version but its not possible in BP
eternal inlet
@tired tree @glad temple i got it working 95% in BP only, the last 5% is a bitch, so as far as i can tell, you need c++ to be able to get the last bits perfect
tired tree
Not sure he needs the entire capability of the character, sounded like he just wanted gravity and floor basing. Otherwise I would have linked him my plugin.
tired tree
will tonight, wife was very much pregnant last night, I didn't get to do much at all
tired tree
well, we DO have a 8 month old and a new one on the way, have to help out a lot to keep her from frustration :p
eternal inlet
i totally understand... i recall pregnant wife
= boss fight haha
= full concentation and focus
wicked oak
i made it work with a simple-ish way
basically i dont directly parent the vr space to the capsule
i use a "VR Origin" component
when the player moves into position X 2 Y 0
then i "move" the character into x2 y0
and then move the VR Origin to x -2 y0
basically the capsule allways stays in sync below the camera
tired tree
yeah that was one of two options I gave Jonas at the start for it
wicked oak
also completely breaks replication
eternal inlet
yeah, i do something similar
wicked oak
i still havent done that custom movement stuff
tired tree
the method I gave jonas keeps the potential for replication, but has its own downsides
tired tree
honestly, when they de-couple the character movement from characters, if they do it right and have a "root component" and a "UpdatedComponent" instead of just "UpdatedComponent" it would be a breeze
you would just give it the component you want used for collision, and the component that you want moved as a result
eternal inlet
i would really hope that would happen too
tired tree
could be the same, or two different ones
I should probably mention that actually to them before they finish the refactor...
or the same problems will exist
eternal inlet
but i suppose they will do that eventually, don't u think? i mean, it's so fundamental
tired tree
well they stated they are making character movement not character exclusive, but that doesn't mean they would change that behavior
I guess the moveImpl function would have to be altered too, so its likely out of scope for them
eternal inlet
aha, you talked to some of the devs themselves or was it a post somewhere?
tired tree
was a post
eternal inlet
ok
tired tree
also ties into navigation too come to think of it
damn
I am prob stuck re-writing 90% of the character for the complicated one for forever....
eternal inlet
ah yes navigation code is tied into that too
sturdy coral
rather than move the capsule with a teleport and break replication, move the capsule by feeding input vectors to the controller
sturdy coral
what I do is feather down the movement speed after a threshold when it gets really close
to prevent orbiting or anything
tired tree
ah, he isn't using two actors
sturdy coral
I'm not either, I did in my really old implementation last year before the camera refactor though
tired tree
if you take the required move and figure out how much of the 0.0.1.0 scale it would require of the movement speed to move the amount, you shouldn't need to do anything special to prevent "orbit"
unless other factors get in the way of the speed of course
sturdy coral
yeah, orbit is pretty well prevented by having a higher braking speed too and not trying to get exactly to where the head is
but to just a threshold
tired tree
eh?
eternal inlet
and one character with the capsule
sturdy coral
I just kind of put that in in case I threw it onto a character with a high movement speed just to make it more general
eternal inlet
... i understand you man
im also getting pretty tired of all the hackyness i have to go through
tired tree
well, I guess I can't say that, the main character is pretty hacky, but at least I can control every little thing directly about it
plain badger
@tired tree Thanks for the plugin!
tired tree
@plain badger thanks, if you have any feedback regarding it feel free to PM me. Always looking for input
plain badger
Well, just the boring stuff. More documentation... 😃
tired tree
Ah yes........well the template was kind of made to try and make that not as required for me :p, some things are difficult to explain how to use in text. But I started updating the wiki again yesterday.
plain badger
Hehe, I know the feeling. There is a lot of stuff in the template/"plugin example" though. I tried migrating the simpleVRChar and that seemed to mostly work. Teleport broke for example.
@tired tree Anyway, if all I want is collision, picking stuff up and teleport and/or trackpad movement. Should I make my own char based on your simpleVRChar or am I better off making my own, peeking at your stuff?
tired tree
Doesn't really matter, depends on if you want a different architecture than the plugin or not and if you want to change fundamental behaviors.
Its all really one big example of how to do things, its not always going to be the "Best" method in every area
I suggest in the thread that very experienced devs build off of the ideas, but so far most seem to be taking it as is....
plain badger
I saw your mention somewhere here that you have changed some tick stuff in the Character class for example?
tired tree
I moved a few things around regarding tick order
but nothing major
mostly just preresiquites to ensure that the controllers tick after the movement and stuff
plain badger
To make the controllers move smoothly or why? Is that noticable?
plain badger
Hehe, alright.
glossy agate
Looks badass haha. Wonder if I can ReVive this
Never mind, its on Steam with vive support already. Says release is this month sometime
mighty carbon
I don't get how people can manage to make games with non-low poly assets for free o.O
wicked oak
its a publicity stunt
like when i did vrmultigames
they do it to get feedback and then do the full game
or catch the attention or oculus game fund
they got gallery-d so it probably isnt that good
or has some serious issues
mighty carbon
Well, I guess someone else pays their bills
glossy agate
Maybe they got money money from occulus to build it?
Actually it looks like a South Korean company with some history. Maybe they will use micro transactions or something to buy more enemies and sword skins.
mighty carbon
Ah, perhaps
zinc rose
are there any other videos.... i see barely see gameplay here.. feels like a classic "hype trailer". Show cgi to dazzle.. but no idea what the game feels or plays like. Not that thats not the way to succeed. The masses dont carea bout game play these days.. only cool "movie-like" videos. so shrugs
mighty carbon
It's free, try it :)
glossy agate
Yeah, free on vive too once it's released. Steam shows more gameplay
zinc rose
cool. ill check it out.. a more intuitive melee combat game is on my list for VR projects.. interested to see how there's holds up. Not a fan of Oculus at all... glad its gonna come for Vive on steam too.
theirs*
dusky moon
Hey Guys, two questions here ... Is Gear VR Controller in stores now ?! And can some1 name some good titles made with UE4 for gearvr ?!
mighty carbon
Not yet and no good titles on Gear VR made with UE4
Gunjack is the only titles afaik, but not my cup of tea
sharp swan
it would be weird if it was your cup of tea, and you kept spilling it because of tiny VR people in your saucer
goes surreal for the rest of the night
mighty carbon
Heh
full junco
the LOD per eye issue with HISMCs is marked as target fix 4.16, thats good 😄 https://issues.unrealengine.com/issue/UE-43763
and master is now 4.17
eternal inlet
so we can expect 4.16 to get released soon?
eternal inlet
yeah that's what i mean hehe
full junco
so I would guess 1.5 weeks until the preview starts and then 4 more weeks until its released
eternal inlet
sounds reasonable
full junco
I will move to 4.16 after its branched...
I already fear all the merge conflicts
but there are important performance optimizations
and I would like to test the volumetric lighting
eternal inlet
i'll wait and see if there's something interresting for me, but it's always fun to test out the new preview builds
full junco
well I know that there's interesting stuff since I always read through all of the commits that are added to master 😄
full junco
yeah
reading through a dev-rendering merge is better than watching your favorite tv series 😛
eternal inlet
btw if i wanna make a crosshair, and want it to always display as the same size in the HMD, what would the preferred approach be? to do a traceline and project hit on an invisible sphere centered around the hmd or something else?
and then draw my crosshair with noclip material too
eternal inlet
i wanted something to point with for showing where i would grapple hook at
similar to how WindLands do
right now i just do traceline, but its hard to see when the target is far away
full junco
hm, ok
far away is hard in VR with the current resolution
anything far away will be a few pixels
eternal inlet
yeah, that's why i think it's a good idea to show the crosshair at a fixed distance
glossy agate
What if for a test you did a text render and just put a period in there and child it to the camera at a fixed distance. Just change viz when you hit the grip to see if that works.
Probably need to do the thing with draw where it always shows over the other meshes
eternal inlet
well, i wanted it to be at the aim of the controller
glossy agate
Oh nevermind
eternal inlet
but generally i think the idea is the same
just assumed there was a recommended/normal way of doing this already
glossy agate
I saw a video where they did something similar for health bars in an RTS. I'll see if I can find it. I think it was set to take up a certain amount of screen space. Maybe you can do the same with a decal spawned on the normal of what you will hit.
glossy agate
That free game posted earlier is now available on Steam. checking it out now http://store.steampowered.com/app/619020/
glossy agate
About 10 min of playtime. Shorter if the controls work right. The extra level cinematic was the coolest part, but I couldn't beat the last girl because the move controls work about 20% of the time.
full junco
you mean the whole game has 10 minutes of playtime?
glossy agate
Yep. Just point out your arm and wiggle it
Extra level cinematic was really cool though
sullen burrow
Is it possible to kick off an action when the player wears the headset (oculus)?
main fjord
HMDDevice has a method "GetHMDWornState" https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/API/Runtime/HeadMountedDisplay/IHeadMountedDisplay/GetHMDWornState/index.html
dusk vigil
re: Crosshair. In shiva I used a projector with a fov of 1 and that worked fine, not sure if it will behave the same in unreal
@eternal inlet line above, crosshair
dusk vigil
Anybody using the Ikinema indie runtime? I just downloaded it, and the Installation documentation seems to have diddlysquat to do with the contents of the zip
eternal inlet
@simrak#0804 i use ikinema
full junco
I would like to use it, but it doesn't work with source builds
eternal inlet
Anyway i only used the online documentation
native cedar
does the forward renderer support post process SSAO?
full junco
@native cedar no, it doesn't, I really wish it would
I got Daniel to say he will add it "in a month" but after a month he noticed that he has too much other stuff to do
he told me rough steps though what would need to be changed in the engine to make it work
you can try to do that 😄
jaunty shell
Today's WIP : A Tilt brush like painting tool !
full junco
doesnt look like tiltbrish though 😄
jaunty shell
@full junco have to start somewhere 😂
full junco
well with an emissive material it might already look like tiltbrush 😛
jaunty shell
I have a bunch of TB inspired materials ready to be used 😃
for the curious
at the rate their project is going, I'll have my own tool ready to go xD
blissful bear
Thanks for sharing the materials!
jaunty shell
👌
dusk vigil
Re: Ikinema, will have to mess with it more tonight. So the Indie license does not work with a custom build UE4 engine if I understand correctly, but if you were to buy the real license ( at an undisclosed price ) then it would be ok? That's a bit sad, might have to look around for alternatives
alpine torrent
@jaunty shell omg I have used painting that kind of stuff in paint 3D and even export it to FBX to ue4 or you can set that hello asset to paint3d as fbx file and paint it and sent fbx file back and you get surface of it
jaunty shell
@alpine torrent can you rephrase that ? 😄 Needs punctuation !
alpine torrent
@fair anchor did using ue4 asset as fbx model paint it in paint 3d app what comes with Windows 10 creators update and use it back in ue4
jaunty shell
Ah I can't export it from UE4 to FBX yet
I am using the spline mesh component and have yet to discover how I can convert it to a static mesh or procedural mesh
alpine torrent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDD1yZG1AxE to check what you and do and then use it in ue4 is possible
full junco
@alpine torrent I dont really understand anything you write
jaunty shell
He is probably using a translator or something :v
blissful bear
You can indeed open and save fbx models in Creator's update... Just trying the exported fbx in UE to see what the crack is...
3D Paint in Creator's update ^
Here's a quick result of exporting from MS 3D Paint...
jaunty shell
Separate splines now working as intended 😃 Performance is still whacky after a while, need to find why the spline mesh is so expensive
@blissful bear looks good, are the UVs correct ?
blissful bear
I'll try painting over the models and exporting again. See what it does with UVs and materials... I'm not optimistic.
Exporting to fbx from MS 3D Paint just exports geometry. Any nice stuff you do with painting on the models etc is lost. As far as my simple test goes anyway... 😦
tired tree
you can't just export texture? it should just use the already made UVs
also is there no stamp tool?
blissful bear
There are all the tools in Paint, stamps etc but the fbx Save As option appears to just output the mesh of the scene you've created.
Each of the people in my scene gets a separate material slot with the WorldGridMaterial in it on Import.
native cedar
vr project, forward rendering, many project settings turned off, empty material has 539 shader instructions
halp
graceful junco
That's normal and to be expected. Lighting calculations in forward rendering are done per material. That's the increased instruction count in the pixel shader.
blissful bear
The 3D doodle tool and text tool export ok. At least we have a bundled Win10 app that can create fbx meshes. It must have some use.... 😃
The 3D Paint exported fbx doesn't contain smoothing group info and causes a a warning on import.
eternal inlet
don't you normally wanna spawn in HISM for 3dpainting?
i mean in terms of performance, that should allow a ton of more meshes
native cedar
@graceful junco so adding a material increases the cost of every material?
is that really a thing?
graceful junco
No, switching to forward renderer increases the number of instructions displayed in each material. That however doesn't mean that performance is worse than with the deferred renderer.
native cedar
makes perfect sense. Thanks for the clearance, sorry for the confusion
so unlit materials in forward are like extremely efficient I guess
wicked oak
its much cooler to model something in oculus medium and then export it directly to unreal
now it has a automatic simplify and i think it exports .obj
native cedar
wow, I'd love to get into VR modeling
tired tree
the windows 3d paint looks pretty limited, granted its priced right at Free, so I guess comparing it to other tools too much
tired tree
you liar, blender sells your data too! It records how many hours you take learning its interface and then reports it as an IQ value
blissful bear
@tired tree @wicked oak Agreed it is currently quite limited. However millions of people are about to find they can export fbx models. It must be a good thing somehow...
tired tree
I mean, sketchup has been able to do that since forever right?
and its been pretty accessible
blissful bear
Yes, I agree. 3D Paint will be imposed on every Win10 user sooner or later though...
tired tree
I guess it will work well with my kids and the 3d printer, so not complaining.
jaunty shell
Dammit can't get the Spline mesh component to work correctly at runtime, I really don't want to bother with procedural meshes T_T
blissful bear
It's quite fun... Would be good to get your kids stuff in proper UE VR as well... It'll have it's uses for some people.
tired tree
oh....my oldest already plays with UE4, he made a VR obstacle course level for his friends to play with using my plugin....pretty sure most adults would quit seconds into it
blissful bear
He must think he has the coolest Dad ever. Great stuff man!
tired tree
I really do wonder why him and all of his friends seem to have no motion sickness, from the bat, in VR
wonder if it has to do with the being in puberty and body balance already being off
blissful bear
Not sure... Maybe you just enjoy the 'dizzy' feeling when younger. I remember spinning round and round to make myself dizzy just for the fun of it. When you get older you associate the dizzy feeling with illness perhaps?
tired tree
dizzy != actual sickness which they appear immune too without "gaining legs"
blissful bear
Ah to be young again....
sharp swan
screw that. I was a mess when I was younger. Now if I could go back with the knowledge I have now, I would be a multi-millionaire.
luckily though I got all that nonsense out of my system
blissful bear
Everyone feels like that Marc I expect. Totally agree though, I'm happier in general now I've aged like a fine wine... 😉
sharp swan
I look young for my age but damn if the 4 kids im raising dont make me feel old on the inside.
eternal inlet
anyone know of there's a component or node that works like radial force, but only for a designated physicsbody? like a sort of spring constaint, to create an elastic feel between the two bodies.
tired tree
Well..there ARE spring constraints, not sure that blueprint has them opened up though.
you could play with lightly forced linear drives
sharp swan
I was reading about spring physics the other day. Seemed simple enough to actually do it yourself without physx or anything
its a fairly constant setup
tired tree
ah, linear drives have a spring value on them
under the constraint settings in blueprint
eternal inlet
hmm sec
eternal inlet
physics constraints has linear drives too, but haven't been able to get them to behave as i want them to
i wanted to have the ability to set a limit length, but allow some springyness to happen when passing that limit so it acts like an elastic
carmine gulch
Has anyone experience how to synchronize the initial position between perception neuron and a vive?
pearl tangle
i just used the vive for the rotation tracking stuff and removed the positional tracking and used the perception neuron for that instead
carmine gulch
is the tracking of the PN precise enough for the headposition?
Any latency or stuff like that?
pearl tangle
yeah more latency but the positional tracking can have a lot more flexibility than the rotational stuff can before it affects you too much
tired tree
doesn't sound like an ideal setup
should be able to retain HMD overall
for positional
pearl tangle
then you have 2 things trying to tell you positional information
tired tree
for the view
sullen burrow
do you know if it is possible to send audio from UE to speakers output while in vr?
whenever i start the vr preview, sound outputs just from oculus
real needle
@sullen burrow There are many ways to mirror audio, you can google on that. I use SteamVR and there's an option to mirror there directly. You can probably run SteamVR alongside Oculus, not sure if the audio mirror mode works that way though
sullen burrow
Interesting. I will check this out thank you @real needle
real needle
I'd just like to throw out that anyone who's using rocket builds from the launcer, Event Driven Loader can now be enabled in 4.15 without compiling from source
It decreases load times significantly, so if you're not doing any level streaming magic I'd advised to turn it on!
I missed it in the patch notes even though I submitted the bug about the option existing in rocket builds even though it didn't work in 4.14
real needle
Would appreciate some upvotes on this feature request of mine: https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/588705/feature-request-allow-3d-widgets-to-have-a-negativ.html
full junco
@real needle the event driven loader is enabled by default in 4.15
and it's still buggy, I have stuff that just crashes when it's enabled
@real needle and you can have the widget bend the other way, I'm actually doing that, just give it a two sided material and mirror it
real needle
@full junco Well then my recommendation is to not disable it!
I haven't experienced any crashes on level load... either using level streaming or regular "open level"
Mirror it?
full junco
yeah mirror it
full junco
yeah, that's how I did it
I did it through the render transform of the widget, but maybe it works too with the scale of the widget component
real needle
Since you're on source can't you just change the values to negative?
full junco
which values?
real needle
Arc angle
full junco
well when it's possible to easily workaround it without modifying any source then I clearly prefer that
took me a few seconds to setup
real needle
fair
full junco
way less than changing source and compiling it
real needle
double sided isn't optimal in my use case but I can work around it
thanks I was pushing this idea forward but now I have an excuse to implement it 😉
full junco
ok
fresh laurel
full junco
I find the "spash screen" stuff quite boring, is there nothing better for loading screens in VR? like showing a 360 movie or something like that?
a flat plane somewhere in the world is just really boring
so something like giving that default steamvr environment a different texture?
and is there a way to change the background color for that splash screen to something else than black?
pearl tangle
you can do level streaming to avoid that right?
glossy agate
Blueshift has a decent load. Looked like Star Wars when they enter warp speed
full junco
@pearl tangle I dont trust that to not block when the GT is stalled
glossy agate
Cheap and easy I think
real needle
@pearl tangle I haven't been able to seamlessly stream without a drop
And that's on ssd's. On a hdd it definitely "loads"
full junco
well I'm also manually stalling the game thread for a few seconds and stuff like that
the actual loading of assets isnt what I'm waiting for
real needle
you could write an openvr overlay that kicks in
full junco
thats what the splash screen is for I think
real needle
yeah I've tried plutoVR, they let you do "avatar chat" overlayed
could make an entire game that way
full junco
and it works, I can put UE4 in an infinite loop and be completely unresponsible so that I need to close it with the task manager, but tracking is completely smooth with the splash screen
the splash screen can only show an image or a video, so nothing interactive
real needle
you could have a clever quote 😉
jaunty shell
@full junco Looks tilt brushy enough now ? 😄
jaunty shell
Even better shot
full junco
thats better
jaunty shell
works pretty well with the materials I linked yesterday
need to find how to save drawings now
wicked oak
thats much better than i expected from your photos yesterday
jaunty shell
@wicked oak switched for spline meshes to particles 😃
While I have no idea on how I can record each element, performance isn't a problem now. Need to find how to make infinite lifetime particles too
wicked oak
generate the mesh yourself
particles are very expensive due to their calculations
if you want to go actually serious, you should try to create the mesh yourself
jaunty shell
I tried but I get confused quite easily with mesh generation :/
wicked oak
you could essentially create a cylinder spline with a glowy material, or a planar thing.
Its from the spline points
you basically start from the beggining and keep adding triangles per zone. For example every X units
creating a function that ads a quad is not problematic. Basically you go from the start, go to the next spline location at X units, and add a quad (or cylinder) there
repeat till its the whole thing
jaunty shell
as in with procedural mesh or spline mesh ?
wicked oak
procedural
jaunty shell
okay
jaunty shell
blueprints, I don't have much experience with C++ (I come from Unity C# dev)
wicked oak
but the idea is that, you basically start from point 0, and do a big "for" loop of a lengh of X, adding one quad each time
or a cylinder
uhmm
there is a plugin to do procedural meshes in blueprints
but im not sure of that
jaunty shell
well there's the procedural mesh component
jaunty shell
but shit gets quite complicated when you have to handle vertex/triangles/UVs/etc.
wicked oak
its pretty much the same algorithm than when i did something like that myself
jaunty shell
Thanks, I'll have a look at it after lunch !
full junco
if you do anything procedural, use the RMC and no the PMC
its basically just a way better PMC
its same easy to use, has basically the same API, is just a lot more efficient
jaunty shell
@full junco What does the R stand for in RMC ?
full junco
@jaunty shell runtime
jaunty shell
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/runtime-mesh-component I guess this one ?
full junco
yeah
jaunty shell
Right I'll get the source and compile it for my VRWorks branch
full junco
its on github
full junco
is it possible to use SteamVRs keyboard in the game or do you manually have to implement a keyboard in UMG?
jaunty shell
You'd probably have to implement your own, as steamVR's keyboard is part of Big Picture afaik
jaunty shell
understandable :/
@full junco so I'm working on the RMC, trying to figure out how to define triangles from the vertex array. Is there a pattern or something ?
full junco
?
jaunty shell
ie how am I supposed to fill in the triangle array ? Or do I have to create a section for each triangle ?
full junco
it looks fine like you did it
jaunty shell
so if I get this bit into a for loop with an offset on the vertex position each time it should be good ?
jaunty shell
righty
full junco
@jaunty shell http://puu.sh/vjYDe/e92d3f7d00.png
jaunty shell
so there is one ?
clever sky
Did anyone else grab the photorealistic character preview and then try it in VR preview?
full junco
I didnt
clever sky
Then find themselves putting their face near the floor to look at this bust in detail 😛
jaunty shell
I found myself having horrible performance while viewing it in VR :p
clever sky
Yeah, that makes sense too.
jaunty shell
but it looks cool for sure
full junco
oh wow, the steamvr keyboard just works, its great 😄
jaunty shell
😮 is it accessible in BP ?
full junco
no, had to edit ue4 source
jaunty shell
and would it be hard to expose it to bp ?
full junco
I dont know yet, I'm just happy that I got the keyboard to show up 😄
its actually more ugly than I expected though
jaunty shell
the keyboard or the code ? 😂
full junco
the keyboard
jaunty shell
looked pretty ok in the steamVR interface 😐
jaunty shell
yeah its just a keyboard ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tired tree
mmm, no call back for "end input" on the keyboard either
jaunty shell
@full junco is the word suggestion included ?
tired tree
guess you can use the overlayevent to handle that
full junco
@jaunty shell I havent tested too much yet
only saw that it showed up and that it received input
that was enough to make me happy
jaunty shell
:p
full junco
@tired tree I havent yet looked at how to get the event back when the player pressed "done", but just getting the text every tick might be a simple solution that works too
tired tree
shit, thanks for bringing this up, going to implement it
nah, can poll for events
includign focus / key down / exit
VREvent_KeyboardClosed = 1200,
full junco
well I never looked at openvr events
tired tree
VREvent_KeyboardCharInput = 1201,
VREvent_KeyboardDone = 1202, // Sent when DONE button clicked on keyboard
full junco
no idea how to get notified by those
full junco
what plugin?
full junco
well I dont know about that, what is it doing currently?
tired tree
mmm, adding new tabs to the overlay too, nice
dashboard i meant
thought we already talked about my plugin when you said you don't like gameplay plugins
it also handles a bunch of OpenVR specific things
like render models and polling information from devices
full junco
ah now I remember
blissful bear
@tired tree +1 if you add the keyboard to your plugin man.
tired tree
can't really think of a use for the dashboard tab addition, unless you would want to config settings in SteamVR instead of in game....hmmm
full junco
well yeah I dont like plugins that add simple stuff, but plugins are great for exposing things that weren't exposed before. your plugin seems to do way more, so it has gameplay things implemented, and those I wouldnt want to have
maybe you could create a version without all the gameplay stuff
tired tree
there is a seperate module for the openvR stuff
but it requires some headers from the non OpenVR module
blissful bear
@full junco I disagree. The extra functionality in his plugin is super useful. Overall what it does is excellent. Please don't change it Mordentral!
full junco
@blissful bear I didnt say he should change it
blissful bear
Fair enough.
tired tree
i wish they would update steam so I could just access the functions globally from SteamVR, have to use the same DLL loading hack that epic uses currently to gain access.
full junco
well you could split it up a bit more so that the openvr module only needs its own stuff, that would be nice to have for people who dont need all the gameplay stuff
tired tree
I had it like that, but it involved code duplication and the major use is both together
with OpenVR disabled if not needed
full junco
well its not only the openvr stuff thats nice to have, stuff like this is also nice: http://i.imgur.com/opPcWkZ.png
just all stuff that tries to implement mechanics is not nice to have 😄
tired tree
the main problem is right now I support the vive trackers, since its broken for epic since firmware update
and I use a subclass of my grip controller to handle it
so I kind of need it linked back to the main plugin
tired tree
didn't epic add that as a default anyway? I did it temp
have more useful nodes than that one
full junco
well anything that isnt gameplay mechanics is great 😛
tired tree
have one that figures out if you are in VR preview or a standard preview, so with VR plugged in can still test with FPS characters for mechanics and then go over to the headset for exact testing
full junco
like, ramas victory plugin also doesnt have gameplay mechanics I think
tired tree
that is prob my favorite
I mean, none of the gameplay mechanics effect anything unless you use the actors/components, but I guess I can see why you wouldn't want extra code
mm this keyboard is pretty juicy, and here I was going to just implement the compartmentlized render models today instead...guess thats on the back burner again
tired tree
like the controllers
you can either get the models as one peice
or each seperate component
with each seperate component the buttons and pads are all each their own object, so coulddo things like procedural animation
based on axis values
also retuexturing say the face button at will
full junco
ah. well such stuff is super useful to have, I would surely find a use for that
just without gameplay mechanics
tired tree
currently I just extract the entire model, retains the perfect size / scale and supports the custom skins on the workshop
would like to allow for the full seperate component extraction as well is all
full junco
ok
can't you create a base plugin that has the regular stuff and a second plugin that builds on that and adds gameplay stuff?
tired tree
already have two modules in this plugin
full junco
or just do it in a way that with a #define NOGAMEPLAY 1 the gameplay stuff just isnt there?
full junco
well then two plugins
a plugin with useful functions is something everyone likes to add, it doesnt hurt
tired tree
anyone off the top of their head know if epic exposed: static EBPHMDWornState GetIsHMDWorn(); to blueprint yet? I would like to get rid of that function
full junco
but not everyone wants gameplay stuff for sure
I think that stuff is exposed, yeah
or it isnt, I can't find it
unless they called it differently in BP; it isnt
@jaunty shell yes, the keyboard has the suggestions
jaunty shell
Hey, so I think I understand the process to make a procedural ribbon now, but I'm seeing an increasing amount of drawcalls for each face created
damn that's super nice
wicked oak
@jaunty shell are you creating them as 1 mesh?
i saw the "section" thing above
sections are to have different materials
each section is like 1 individual mesh
jaunty shell
I am using an instanced material
wicked oak
doesnt matter
tired tree
you need to make them all as one section
wicked oak
exactly
tired tree
also should detect snap range and combine lines if possible
wicked oak
you are basically there tho
no, he shouldnt
he will have hand drawn lines
they wont be fully straight
tired tree
as an option i'm saying
wicked oak
and complicates stuff
tired tree
you can combine two spline paths
wicked oak
just do what you have already but add it all as 1 section instead of several
jaunty shell
brain is already overloaded for the week 😄
wicked oak
ahhh, thats what you mean
tired tree
lowers calls even more, plus allows for clean intersections
jaunty shell
yeah
hmm, so right now I have my BP organized by the following
Check arbitrary size of ribbon (1 = one face) => Update Vertex array to fit one face per ribbon size => Loop for size of ribbon, get each 4 vertex of a face, and create a new face in the RMC
full junco
@tired tree I think theres no way to limit how many chars the player can enter in that keyboard, right?
tired tree
don't see anything
would have to be an event to pass back to it
you could totally display above it
full junco
a bit annoying that the player can enter 500 chars
full junco
well and you can get the text on tick, thats what I'm doing
do you have some example code for using openvr events?
tired tree
just Poll for the event using the overlay handle
it keeps a queue of available events
full junco
ah, PollNextOverlayEvent?
tired tree
yea
full junco
what should I give it as vr::VROverlayHandle_t?
tired tree
virtual EVROverlayError ShowKeyboardForOverlay( VROverlayHandle_t ulOverlayHandle
think you need to attach to an overlay
otherwise the polling would be system wide
which would be a problem, as epic eats those
not sure though, can't test in VR currently
full junco
thats what I thought too, doesnt want to steal UE4 its events
jaunty shell
Guys, I can't find a way to handle the triangles array for more than a single face in RMC 😦
tired tree
well at least unity version is a global event listen, but its not attaching with an overlay
full junco
@tired tree well just getting the whole text on tick works fine
so I think I prefer that for now
tired tree
ah ok, confirmed, ShowKeyboardForOverlay allows you to access it through overlay polling
nice
so I can proto now, and test in vr later
full junco
it allows what?
tired tree
you make an overlay instance, then ShowKeyboardForOverlay for that instance
you can then poll keyboard events with the overlaypollevent using that overlays handle
full junco
I am using the overlay from UE4
the VROverlay* thats in SteamVRHMD.h
I just dont get whats special about that ShowKeyboardForOverlay function, why that instead of the ShowKeyboard one?
I am using ShowKeyboard
tired tree
showkeyboard throws the keyboards events globally
showkeyboardforoverlay throws its events local to that overlay
so you can poll them with the overlays handle
it prob won't matter to you doing direct source editing
but for me with a plugin I can't access the global event pool
full junco
ah, ok
jaunty shell
Getting closer !
But plugging the vertices into the triangle array certainly isn't the right thing to do
ergh half of the faces are flipped too
full junco
@tired tree any idea what that uint32_t unCharMax argument is doing? I'm not really seeing any impact
@jaunty shell if you want to flip a face, just use the opposite vertex order for the triangle. so 1,2,3 flipped would be 3,2,1
jaunty shell
@full junco glorious
tired tree
I assume that should be max characters allowed
full junco
@tired tree that it isnt
tired tree
valve documentation is as lacking as ever
full junco
I have it set to 1 and it doesnt limit anything
now maybe that int is only used if for example bUseMinimalMode is true
or if k_EGamepadTextInputModePassword is selected
or if whatever else
documentation would be nice 😛
tired tree
well i can test it all tonight
I tend to implement these things during down time at work, and then finish them at home :p
full junco
why can't valve just make openvr OPEN
tired tree
or at least comment / document cleanly
its habit though
no real boundries on employees there and a lot of technical guys that don't like writing docs
jaunty shell
@full junco Need to do the UV part now. Should I stretch it on the whole mesh ?
full junco
@jaunty shell I think that wouldnt look nice
jaunty shell
Isn't that what the particle system is doing though ?
full junco
I dont know, I'm not a graphics guy 😄
tired tree
you mean the world coordinate conversion?
full junco
yeah
I just dont want that keyboard to show up directly in front of the head
just something like half a meter lower in Z
tired tree
it uses the same as the render models I had to mess with that yesterday since they changed coordinate systems a few months ago
// OpenVR y+ Up, +x Right, -z Going away
// UE4 z+ up, +y right, +x forward
vertices.Add(FVector(-vPosition.v[2], vPosition.v[0], vPosition.v[1]));
vPosition is in their world coords
epic also has a tracked space to ue4 space conversion function somewhere in steamvrhmd
forget the function name
full junco
I need ue4 space to tracked space
tired tree
yeah think theirs uses matrix's so can just reverse it
there is a scale difference too
tired tree
mm no. didn't see that one before
thats just vector change
meant where they get the HMD location
full junco
ah maybe I need this: http://puu.sh/vk42G/93f32f74e3.png
thats taking a UE4 FMatrix and giving the HmdMatrix34_t
tired tree
yah
full junco
good that that exists
tired tree
think you have that reverse though
pretty sure that us SteamMatrix to ue4FMatrix
you would just have to reverse it
oh
nvm
you are right
full junco
there is a reversed function of that too
tired tree
too bad its all private to the class and i'll have to re-define it for myself...like everything else with the VR stuff in engine
well at least the matrix conversion is public
the vectors are still private
full junco
oh, hm
the location stuff doesn't really work correctly, but it works good enough
and for some reason only my left controller can "click" on the keyboard, the right can't
tired tree
i know for their overlay it uses the sending controller to interact
might be that usernum value
full junco
ah, so you think its designed to only be interactable by 1 controller?
tired tree
it is normally
if you test it, you can only interact with their dashboard with whatever controller brought it up
full junco
I noticed that, yeah
you are right, its the last argument
that says which controller can interact
sturdy coral
@tired tree I think they slightly changed the behavior of that in a SteamVR patch a few months ago
can't remember the old behavior
tired tree
dunno, i'm on beta and it still acts like that
full junco
btw, does oculus have a keyboard too?
sturdy coral
@tired tree just checked, what I think it is is now you can click with the other controller's trigger and it will switch to it
tired tree
ah thats cool
sturdy coral
and before it would always stay with whatever pulled it up
they probably changed that for oculus
because the menu button is only on one side
tired tree
hmm, must be an event for that then in the overlay interface
full junco
I'm happy with the keyboard now
tired tree
i got all of my plugin integration with it "done" in "theory"
short moat
can anyone tell me if the pointer indexes for menu interaction on vive controllers need to be unique to a player or across all players?
i.e if i have 2 players with 2 vive controllers, each controller has a widget interaction component, do i need 0,1 on both players or 0,1 on player 1 and 2,3 on player 2 ?
tired tree
will test in VR at home later :p
sturdy coral
@short moat two VR players in the same process or multiplayer
full junco
how is it integrated in your plugin? just a function to call or different?
sturdy coral
@bold sparrow I would just check locally controlled and not apply it to other players
tired tree
its part of the component I have to use, you call OpenKeyboard with params, and then it throws events for done/closed/inputchar with the text, can manually close it too.
full junco
why "have to use"?
tired tree
because open vr can't be globally integrated until they update steam
they note it in their source
and they don't give access to the dll entries they set up
so I had to make my own
don't want to be reloading the dll every function call
full junco
ok
tired tree
also a component gives me "tick" to work with for event polling
full junco
scaling the keyboard breaks interaction, but I'm fine with that, I don't need to scale it
short moat
@sturdy coral thanks - still having issues, just playing around with the pointer indexes and virtual user index to try and work it out
how do you mean check locally controlled?
on each character once they have connected i am setting the Virtual User Index for that chars controllers from the steam player id
and then i am setting the pointer indexes to 0,1
from an event which runs on the owning client
the problem i'm having is that only one of the players can then interact with the menus
tired tree
the menus are client side
short moat
is there an easier way of testing the steam networking stuff than packaging every time?
tired tree
test lan
you don't need steam for testing this
this is all handled in engine
in fact, attach the interactors to an fps characterm and run two editor instances
PIE instances ,that is
wicked oak
@tired tree link to that "vr/nonvr" check you had?
i have use for it, i currently do it manually
just to copypaste the function itself
tired tree
bool UVRExpansionFunctionLibrary::IsInVREditorPreviewOrGame()
{
#if WITH_EDITOR
if (GIsEditor)
{
UEditorEngine* EdEngine = Cast<UEditorEngine>(GEngine);
return EdEngine->bUseVRPreviewForPlayWorld;
}
#endif
// Is not an editor build, default to true here
return true;
}
if in editor this detects if using vrpreview or another mode
short moat
thanks @tired tree
tired tree
metadan, you shouldn't use SteamIDs as virtual index btw, use netplayerID
short moat
as in playercontroller -> getUnique net id?
wicked oak
one thing. What if its not an editor play?
i cant really do PIE constantly
most of the time i launch the game directly with the right click project-> launch game
tired tree
if not in editor then it defaults to true for VR
since tracking will always be enabled
metadan, playerstate->playerID
should be the index you want
wicked oak
alright, ill play with that stuff
short moat
ok great thanks
real needle
@short moat You can right click the .uproject and "Launch game"
Virtual User Index needs to be unique across all clients but not the pointer indexes
I had a huge problem with the widget interaction components. I have to spawn them on client side only after begin play, otherwise whenever a new player joins they stop receiving "release pointer" events
short moat
I finally got round that issue - it was related to https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/500895/413-bug-widget-interaction-component-stops-working.html for me
or at least the delay fix seemed to make it work
we also had to set the pointer indexes to be unique
real needle
Pointer indexes doesn't have to be unique across clients, but the virtual does. I use a timer to fake tick and check for valid playerstate, once it's valid locally controlled fires properly
real needle
Am I the only one getting SteamVR to freeze a frame inside the HMD and crash the render thread since the last update?
It's happening frequently now...
And I'm pretty sure it's not unreal because the frame stays rendered in the HMD even after I've closed editor/packaged game
real needle
Hmmm firefox also stops working when it occurs, so possibly a gpu issue
Time to update drivers
uneven moon
I have this BP set up to manually adjust the scale of an object in-game
it works but every time I start to scale it
it reverts to its original size, and scales from there
why?
dusk vigil
The next scale is meant to be relative to the changed scale, not to the original. I think you need to save the final scale when the action is done to use it as a multiplier for the next scaling action.
uneven moon
hmm, that makes sense. I'm still fairly new to unreal, can you tell me how I'd save the scale and then how I would go about referencing that saved scale in this BP I've shown you? Thank you ❤
dusk vigil
If you log out the values you are getting now, I presume it should show that this is the case.
This is maybe more basic ue-blueprint channel stuff, but let's skim it fast. Make a float variable and be sure to set it to 1.0 default value, set it when the scaling ends. Feed that value into the 1,1,1 vector
I think it should be simple as that
uneven moon
okay, hold on trying to figure that out now
what kind of float value exactly?
@dusk vigil
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dusk vigil
I presume you are making a uniform scale, so what you are inputting now into New Scale Vector is something like 1.25, 1.25, 1.25 ? So just one of those will suffice
uneven moon
@dusk vigil from what I understand, the scale we log will be inserted into the 1x1x1 vector, making it the new default size, correct? I'm confused mainly about how to go about logging this. When you say float variable, I type in float but get many options and am unsure as to which I would use in this case (by name)
dusk vigil
Let's go to ue.blueprint channel ok?
uneven moon
okay
wicked oak
finally got a working proof of concept cooperative VR dungeon crawler
with explosive arrows, a 2 handed rifle, and fairly OK melee combat by having 1 day of dev time, with enemies that have simple aggro systems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNuDQ69_wKw badly made video of the thing. Please excuse the really bad recording, it was improvised.
and a couple quite important bugs like the IK being broken
im using it as a testbench for the melee combat so i can improve DWVR one
sturdy coral
@tired tree @wicked oak @short moat I modify the engine on mine to tell you in the game instance whether it is VR preview (so that when testing multiplayer the non-vr preview windows can distinguish)
vocal maple
Does anyone know how to make beams not look so flat in VR? I have a spell that has to shoot out a ray and in VR it is immediately noticeable that its just a flat line.
odd garnet
@sturdy coral are you saying you can test VR and Non VR multiplayer simultaniously ?
without leaving the engine
sturdy coral
yeah
sturdy coral
dedicated servers are still broken, I think there is a pull request on github for that
odd garnet
Modentral has a FPS pawn that basically does the same thing
vocal maple
Does updating a mesh to stretch between a two point spline take lots of resources?
sturdy coral
@vocal maple I don't think so, pretty sure it is done by a fairly simple geometry shader
might add some cost if it updates the velocity buffer too
vocal maple
Would I need to modify the engine to do it?
vocal maple
@sturdy coral Can you please give more details about the geometry shader approach?
sturdy coral
@vocal maple I assumed that's what spline mesh component does, since there is a shader permutation for spline meshes
@vocal maple I'm not 100% sure on that though
opal bobcat
so my project just got accepted at the USC vr showcase
we'll see how i do, might be too early to really compete but ill give it a shot
pearl tangle
whats USC?
opal bobcat
university of southern california
pearl tangle
whats their vr showcase, like to show students or something?
opal bobcat
no its students showing off their research projects / vr games
supposed to have a bunch of industry folk there
real needle
Has anyone tried the "super frustum culling" that Epic mentioned at GDC?
I can't find any more info on it than the one piece of slide I have a picture of
full junco
@real needle I don't know about it, what is it doing?
real needle
uneven moon
I want to use a button to trigger an object in my game to change.
For example:
If [button] is pressed,
Object A changes to Object B.
If pressed again, Object B changes to Object C.
If pressed again, Object C reverts back to Object A.
Note that the "object" is part of the player pawn itself (in this case the VR motion controllers) and I want them to change every time a certain button is pressed.
Can anyone break this down for a noobie?
real needle
@uneven moon https://gyazo.com/bd00478ef8b01a8a28e6817a8e07816f
Use array of objects instead of strings
Oh and default the "temp-int" to 1
full junco
is the widget interaction component not working correctly with widget components that are using the cylinder geometry mode?
opal bobcat
cylinder? you can wrap a widget around a cylinder?
thats cool
you do that with depth?
odd garnet
How can I use gestures on the thumb pad?
kinda like how Streetfighter and stuff works
Vive thumbpad
odd garnet
Maybe not native.
I was thinking of just having a timer reading the axis values or something after a button input
opal bobcat
yeah
odd garnet
And if those floats were close enough to a certain set of values it would send out the right event
opal bobcat
keep a history of it so you can figure out if a gesture has been made
odd garnet
Yeahhh, it seems like it'll just take some testing. I was wondering if anyone has made any progress on it or something
There's got to be a better way then just looking at the floats
opal bobcat
well i assume there are well studied gesture tracking algos
i havent studied any of them though
i think thats part of computer vision
odd garnet
Mfw
opal bobcat
eye of the beholder
opal bobcat
yeah no stalks
odd garnet
This guy!
Yeah we're making a game based around classic RPG influences, so I have just a ton of those ready for referencing
opal bobcat
you got to include the sons of kyuss
odd garnet
Behold!
odd garnet
Yeah from the Worm Lich thing
opal bobcat
Kyuss
odd garnet
Yes xD I guess specifically Kyuss
opal bobcat
great band too
odd garnet
We just added this bad boy the other day
odd garnet
A mimic yeah
opal bobcat
yeah mimic
bust out some oughty
and some bugbear
then look towards dragon mountain for some kobold lore
odd garnet
I think we were gonna do Goblins instead of Bugbears, people are more familiar with them.
Kobolds would be funny lol.
Those are some ones we're looking at making next
full junco
@tired tree dit it all work?
alpine torrent
owlbear
wicked oak
damn
the absolute madman
with a psvr
at least with a oculus/vive (specially vive) you can play all steam games and browse internet and stuff
eternal inlet
anyone know why WidgetInteraction does only seem to work for one hand?
the hover events only fire for my right hand
i've added it to the std vrtemplate BP_MotionController, parented under the MotionController
Even tried with a unique Virtual User Index for each hand
still only detects hover for Right hand
wicked oak
i think you just cant have several
they start getting bugged
i just went and added only to the right hand by default
eternal inlet
ah doh i see
deep willow
plz help i'm noob, what command in blueprint do i need to get motion controller facing direction? i need a vector value
uneven moon
I want to use the grip button to cycle through 'transform' modes and it works but I have no UI indicator. I want to spawn a shape above the hand depending on which mode I'm on. how would I do this?
glossy agate
Ecklip get forward vector
dusk vigil
@uneven moon add a widget or actor to the controller, for example
mighty carbon
Did I miss anything interesting?
Apparently next week Oculus will present new hardware at F8
uneven moon
depending on which mode I'm on
I need to spawn an indicator, a UI essentially
to let the player know
this UI will be attached to the player's hand
this BP prepares me for that
but I'm not sure how to do this, I've tried a few different things
the two blue nodes reference the left controller (left hand) and the right.
the green nodes indicate which mode its being set to.
any ideas?
mighty carbon
@uneven moon Standalone HMD, VR glove
uneven moon
not sure what you mean
full junco
he means oculus will show a standalone hmd or a VR glove
wise thunder
What do you mean? 😄
eternal inlet
uhm... why didn't the allow us to create a blueprint inheriting from StaticMeshComponent
wise thunder
Ohh, I see, hmm
eternal inlet
hehe thought it was pretty obvious from the sad smilie 😛
eternal inlet
perhaps i need to create an ActorComponent hmm
wise thunder
It probably doesn't get Blueprintable until ISMC
You might want to just create your own C++ version and inherit from it
Seems odd why you'd have to do that, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
eternal inlet
excactly
i suppose there's a reason, but from my naive bp point of view, i don't understand
wise thunder
Yeah, not quite sure to be honest
vocal maple
My beam particle system with a noise module gets flatter and flatter as I rotate towards a certain axis and then when I am facing that axis it is completely flat. How can I fix this?
It has something to do with the axises of the particle system being different from the world axises. I can't make it in local space because it beams don't support it 😦
tired tree
@full junco sorry for the late, but yeah it all worked fine
didn't get to test last night
events and all
vocal maple
@eternal inlet I have two widget interactions working fine. Problems do start to happen when you start sending input to your widget. (If I grab a scrollbar with my right interaction component, moving the left inter component scrolls too). I solved that problem by setting the Right interaction component's distance to 0 when the Left one is holding down input. And vice versa. Maybe it can help you in some way
eternal inlet
i'll have a look later, thx
problem was that it didn't detect any hover events at all
using the standard vr template
and ue4.15
vocal maple
Wow. I tried it now and I have the exact same issue. I just never noticed because hovers don't affect my game functionality.
eternal inlet
oki, so it's not just me going crazy
btw, sorry can't answer your particle question... im no good with particles
tired tree
doesn't throw hover? or doesn't even allow for the highlight?
eternal inlet
strange
digital marlin
Ya'll use Perforce?
eternal inlet
Bitbucket/SourceTree here
pearl tangle
git for me as well
vocal maple
I just copy the project whenever I have major changes. Its stupid but it works for me. Do source control systems allow something like full snapshots that you can revert to?
pearl tangle
hah yes
eternal inlet
that's mostly what i use it for
pearl tangle
definitely get into source control
source control keeps track of every single change to every single file and you can go backwards and forwards and make alternate versions whenever you want
vocal maple
Are dependencies and loading in and out well managed in UE?
eternal inlet
personally i shut down the editor if i have to revert or get stuff from another comit
actually i do that usally everytime i comit, checkout or stash
pearl tangle
yeah i close out if i am pulling in changes or if you are committing something big since unreal is rather stupid with its actual saving sometimes
eternal inlet
aye, that's what i've seen too...
vocal maple
The file management of Unreal is really weird. Sometimes you delete a file and it still exists on disk or sometimes you delete a file but you can still see it in the editor. Im terrified in those situations when I have to go into explorer and manually delete undeletable folders
eternal inlet
i got into a habit of always hitting fix redirectories or whatever it's called when i rename or delete something
that seem to fix most of it
ocasio´nally it leaves a dead file though
pearl tangle
thats because its a redirect yeah
vocal maple
I made my project follow a style guide recently and so I had to move all the files between folders. Everything worked with fix up redirectors, however some blueprint variables referencing actors broke and some materials forgot what textures they are supposed to be using
pearl tangle
did you delete the folders?
vocal maple
Yes, I deleted everything unneeded
pearl tangle
yeah thats why. if you went through and removed the folders from the actual file explorer then you also deleted the redirects
it just creates a symlink in the old folders to redirect to the new stuff
vocal maple
So what is the right way to handle that?
pearl tangle
don't delete the folders from the file explorer
vocal maple
How can I get the coordinates of the floor level of HTC Vive in the game world?
pearl tangle
that should be exactly where you set your initial camera to be gets registered as the floor
vocal maple
But my camera is attached to the hmd
glossy agate
Are you having the problem where the char is floating too high?
pearl tangle
the camera should be yeah, but your whole system itself should be attached to the floor and the camera offsets itself when they put it on their head
that way you aren't trying to screw around with offsets based on different peoples height and stuff like we used to need to do with the rift