now only reviews of paid users show up
#virtual-reality
mighty carbon
this way you can't boost your game by spamming free copies
so, gotta sell more copies and ask paid users to write reviews @wicked oak
wicked oak
i do have a good bunch of sales. Its just that a very very small percentage of users do reviews
and after the initial sales, DWVR dissapeared from existence
mighty carbon
well, ask them to write reviews (ask in Discussion, post an announcement)
wicked oak
it has a huge probability of causing backslash
its really not a good image to see a "plz review the game" on the forum as sticky thread or similar
wicked oak
im also not interested on low effort or trash reviews
or "best game evaaaaaarrr" reviews
those are useless
mighty carbon
well, people who value their time don't write reviews 😉
wicked oak
if i ask people to review the game, i tell them to just review it, not to put it as the best game ever
wicked oak
ill definitely have a look a that
glossy agate
Anyone try the free trial of the viveport subscription yet? Im actually not sure if I ever downloaded viveport on my machine. At lease I havn't ever used it yet.
mighty carbon
4.16 previews begin in 2 weeks
wicked oak
i neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed that for ps4
fossil stratus
is there a VR Optimization checklist I can run through to pin point what's causing the issue?
mighty carbon
mighty carbon
I was waiting for such plugin for a loooong time.. Too bad I don't feel like making non-VR games any longer 😛 (or do VR for Steam)
tired tree
they need some work on it
I was talking to them about actually implementing its base as a subsystem so it retains the current engine workflow
all of the additional features can still be there
tired tree
re-implementing it yea
wicked oak
i couldnt get leaderboards to work so reimplemented them
tired tree
their current version is manually calling all of the steps
which doesn't make much sense when the subsystem setup is intended for just this purpose
wicked oak
and i also had to do some strange achievement stuff to get them working well
Sessions work fine tho
tired tree
sessions do not work fine with dedicated servers
wicked oak
i cases like this, im so happy i have the engine source code
tired tree
and also use legacy variables
wicked oak
havent tried dedicated
tired tree
you can get dedicated "working" with steam, but it requires edits to incorporate the authentication system
otherwise pirated users can join official dedicated servers at will
tawdry dragon
Anyone here have any experience using Leap Motion in VR with UE4?
mighty carbon
does Arizona Sunshine have any story / lore progression or is it a sandbox ?
tired tree
making yourself a game list already motor?
mighty carbon
nah
wicked oak
yes it does
mighty carbon
just wondering about VR gamers preferences
wicked oak
it has story mode
its one of the reasons it was so popular
plenty of zombie games around, but not a single one with story and levels
mighty carbon
really? that's odd
(the only zombie game I played was Left 4 Dead)
I hope quality is good..
glossy agate
Az has a little bit of story. Not too but pretty fun
Had some puzzles
And coop mp which makes it way more fun
wicked oak
and the levels are linear
instead of an arena where enemies come from places
its more like a typical FPS in that regard
full junco
4.16 has twice as fast distance field shadows, that makes 4.16 great
and adaptive pixel density has better performance
and more other optimizations
and for those who dont do VR, it finally has custom hardware cursors out of the box
full junco
what?
wicked oak
the 4.16 stuff
full junco
well I always read through everything thats added to master
wicked oak
adaptive pixel density for vr?
or in general
becouse i could really, rEALLY use a generic version that works with PSVR
oculus has one
but i need a psvr one
full junco
its still only oculus, nothing has changed about that. but it has better performance
wicked oak
so they are merging 4.16 into master
full junco
but obviously the performance is better too of you modify it to support other headsets
like I did with vive
wicked oak
good, i need ps4 sdk 4.5 too. 4.15 is on 4.0 but its geting obsolete for sony
@MordenTral#2571 check the master commits
there is one of those superhuge compound commits
with awhole bunch of Character Movement stuff
full junco
yeah, saw that
full junco
since character movement stuff is quite irrelevant for VR I dont really care about it though
wicked oak
lots of stuff from there, optimizations in plenty of stuff
full junco
ok, if you have many AIs its relevant
wicked oak
yup, it does seem like 4.16 is incoming soon
full junco
they say previews start in april, so likely previews will start early may
I definitely want to update either to master or to 4.16 before releasing my game
I would prefer 4.16
because in a preview any relevant bug is usually fixed very quickly
glossy agate
@full junco what are you making? You have a trailer?
mighty carbon
4.16 previews begin in 2 weeks
full junco
@glossy agate no, not yet
I'm not looking forward to creating a trailer
that's the hardest thing to do before releasing a game I think...
tawdry dragon
@mighty carbon is there any limits to how many stereolayers you can use? I really cant fathom why they are CONSTANTLY crashing my project and for some stupid reason, when I destroy the actor they belong to... they dont disappear
full junco
I'm not happy if a trailer doesn't look at least like AAAA quality, but I know how hard that is to achieve
mighty carbon
@tawdry dragon start with 1 😉
wicked oak
can confirm
full junco
even more so with vr
wicked oak
lost thousands of dollars on a meh trailer
tawdry dragon
@mighty carbon I mean... like my code is stolen 1:1 from Robo Recall 😛
and I even had it working - then suddenly it just stopped
glossy agate
Yeah, it seems like most people just record gameplay, that's what I did for my demo trailer. Unless you have a story I guess you have to hard sell some kind of gameplay element and hope it translates to 2d video
full junco
yeah
tawdry dragon
and do some good editing
and sound design
put some nice motion graphics on top
and you're set
full junco
not every programmer is good with nice motion graphics though
wicked oak
good editing, good sound design
tawdry dragon
No, but you wouldnt expect an artist to program something either, would you? 😃
wicked oak
it has to be badass
tawdry dragon
Its okay to just accept that some things you cant do your self and then throw the money/time after somebody who loves that kinda stuff
or go here and buy an AE template and plug in your own footage
https://videohive.net/?osr=tn&_ga=1.89486105.329842876.1486323370
glossy agate
Eh, just throw a sexy manga girl in there, maybe some cats and a joke. Watch the money pour in.
full junco
@tawdry dragon interesting, didnt know such stuff is available
silk lodge
my beach ball valley trailer makes people happy
don't waste money on a trailer that doesn't show gameplay
gameplay is all people want to see
mighty carbon
why do you set destroyed actor to ... NULL(?) .. right after you destroyed it @tawdry dragon ?
silk lodge
don't waste time. IF you are not showing epic content in the first 5 seconds, don't expect people to watch the rest
tawdry dragon
Just a force of habbit, you think it might be making it crash?
mighty carbon
could be
silk lodge
@full junco check out the zenblade trailer at http://atomicvr.com
mighty carbon
I had a crash when I was setting variable to itself (something you'd normally do in C/C++ with no harm)
silk lodge
click zenblade @full junco
full junco
ah scroll down
silk lodge
I like doing trailers, because I've got a film background. Most of us film people snicker at template trailers though 😛
but most people aren't film people, so just try to show your game in a good light and roll iwth it
if your game doesn't make a good trailer, does it make a good game?
tawdry dragon
I think trailers and teasers works fine with the game crowd
Well.. games like Limbo had an awfull trailer(in my opinion) - was really nice gameplay
glossy agate
I may pick up that glitch transitions template. As long as it works in after effects.
tawdry dragon
everything in there is for AE
glossy agate
Sweet
full junco
@silk lodge that zenblade trailer is acceptable, I wanted to do something similar
mighty carbon
@tawdry dragon and that BP stuff works fine without Stereo Layers?
full junco
@tawdry dragon that one you linked I dont like too much to be honest, that clearly only works for some action game 😛
tawdry dragon
@full junco was more like a proof of concept 😉
full junco
@tawdry dragon also, its $84, you need the extended license
tawdry dragon
@mighty carbon will try and delete the stereolayers and see how it does with 3d widgets
silk lodge
@full junco i'm glad you found the zb trailer acceptable.. I made it myself 😃
tawdry dragon
Persoanlly I would just do it myself, but I have also worked with AE and Premiere for 8 years now
but I constantly see people rely on templates and they get okay results
mighty carbon
@raven halo it's funny that now it's "slower than expected" when just a month ago "we didn't think we would sell so many units"
full junco
@tawdry dragon for making it yourself in a good way you clearly need an understanding of art and how people react to certain art, which I dont have
raven halo
@mighty carbon yep, noticed that too
tawdry dragon
@full junco and thats totally cool. I am also sure you're able to a much better job at this basic programming I am doing 😉
I just use plugins to fill out my own shortcommings
glossy agate
"slower than expected" Didn't PSVR just come out in October? Not enough progress in 5 months?
Give it at least 2 years I would think
Or the article is just click bait
silk lodge
@full junco I didn't make zenblade, but I like it a lot so I made the trailer / logo for the guys behind it
tawdry dragon
@mighty carbon deleting the stereolayers and using 3d widgets works fine. Just without the whole, nice rendering above everything else that stereolayers provide
full junco
@tawdry dragon I spent the last 2 hours with looking at trailer templates lol
mighty carbon
@eternal inlet I wonder how much
mighty carbon
I wonder if we will stop seeing VR rendering improvements, since there are no VR projects in Epic's pipeline
tired tree
doubtful
why would they throw away the biggest interest section of game dev currently?
that would be engine suicide
mighty carbon
well, that sector of game dev doesn't bring them any money, aside from Robo Recall
full junco
epic has to care about what kind of games make money, not really that much where the interest is
mighty carbon
ha, monoscopic renderer performs like shit and has issues rendering particles
maybe I should just let it go and use standard GLES2 without experimental features until Epic/Oculus stop f$cking around and get Gear VR stuff optimized so performs as good as Unity ?!
full junco
@tawdry dragon I think I pretty much watched every single trailer template on that website now, and I kinda dislike most of them
mostly that excessive epicness just looks cheap
clever sky
@eternal inlet For some reason, I like the look of this glove the most out of the various VR gloves I've seen.
Like, there's manus and there's dexmo
but this is the only one that seems like it might elegantly combine ease of use with restraint haptics.
Where manus has no restraint haptics... maybe rumbling at best... and dexmo is this exo skeleton cage that looks quite delicate
this one looks like a glove that you can put on that'll give you the advantages of having little fingers that can restrain your finger movements.
fleet veldt
I've noticed that Robo Recall disables the "Low Latency Update" on the motion controllers. I've noticed that if i leave it on by default the controllers seem juddery even though the framrate is easily hitting 90fps. When I disable it the meshes attached to them seem very smooth. I was wondering if that feature is broken currently?
full junco
@fleet veldt strange
maybe they have implemented it differently in their custom source?
in regular UE4 it will look much worse if you disable that, I definitely dont have that checkbox ticked
sturdy coral
@fleet veldt you mean if you disable the disabling it seems juddery?
sturdy coral
@fleet veldt default in the engine or default in the game?
fleet veldt
But checked it's silky smooth
sturdy coral
they mentioned in a stream or something that they are manually doing a spring model on the guns and stuff, so if you turn on low latency the gun might be getting rotated a frame behind the hands
jaunty shell
Good morning VR devs 😃
fleet veldt
@sturdy coral That was one of my first thoughts (the spring model for the guns) but the guns are attached (grabbed and held) via a physics handle, not directly attached to the motion controllers or any of their attach children. To answer your earier question: I mean "Disable Low Latency Update" is unchecked by default when you add a new MotionControllerComponent to an actor. Which would seem to mean you were getting very nice low latency updates for the controllers. But the opposite seems true for me. It's juddery with that option unchecked and only smooth when it's checked as shown in the screenshot i pasted earlier. I'm also using the forward renderer in 4.15.1 and most of the same project settings as robo recall so i'm wondering if something related to that makes low latency update fail under those conditions which is why they had to turn it off.
full junco
@fleet veldt do you have 90 fps?
fleet veldt
@full junco yeah, easily well beyond 90fps. just a simple scene (and 90fps showing in stat fps on screen)
so for you at least with your settings/ue4 version/renderer it works smoothly with that box unchecked?
sturdy coral
@fleet veldt if they are attached via a physics handle then they don't have low latency update when the hands do; then if you turn on low latency update on the hands the hands are going to have low latency and the gun is going to be a frame behind, making them possibly flicker relative to each other
fleet veldt
but in robo recall when you are holding a gun the hands are attached to the gun and the gun is held by a physics handle. (they do a bunch of swapping around of what's attached to what)
i made a video, it's insanely obvious when viewed through the rift but i think you can see some hitching going on even at 60 fps. The left controller is default with Low Latency Updates enabled. The right controller has it disabled. I'm actually thouching the controllers together so they move in unison in the real world. In the first few seconds is when you can see the hiccups on the left. After that i start moving them to quickly to see anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF-Umr-UXT4
@sturdy coral ^^^
cobalt relic
"Low latency" probably means "unfiltered"
i don't know if it's a bug or not but at least it makes sense
brittle crystal
Where are you in the world? I've noticed that happening when i'm like 1km from 0,0,0 and getting more smooth the closer i got to 0,0,0. Not sure why though. Also how did you record the VR preview as widescreen?
fleet veldt
not sure how new it is but at least in 4.15.1 with the rift there is 'hmd mirror mode 4' which takes one eye's predistorted render and chops of the top and bottom to make it fit 16:9
I don't think it works for vive yet
oh, and i'm pretty much near 0,0,0 it's a clean new map with default platform and skysphere.
jaunty shell
@fleet veldt yeah the Vive doesn't have as much options as the Rift regarding mirror modes
fleet veldt
it came up in programming recently and someone said it should be fairly easy to implement for the vive as well so i'm sure it will be coming next update
oculus is pretty quick to push updates to epic through their github fork
jaunty shell
the process is actually quite fast to do
but you need to compile it yourself, and a lot of people won't bother
fleet veldt
wow, yeah that is a super simple change. I wish I understood the graphics api/programming stuff better. apart form some sparse official documentation there's not a lot of info on it.
full junco
and chopping off top and bottom isnt really a good solution
and you dont even need to manually edit it, you can merge this PR too: https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine/pull/2753
so then you have the green one instead of the blue one
jaunty shell
Still need to compile your UE4 yourself, it would be nice to have it directly integrated in the launcher UE4 by default 😃
full junco
yeah, but compiling UE4 isnt really hard to do
cobalt relic
If you avoid it it's still nice
jaunty shell
maybe there is a way to expose these settings directly in the editor ?
full junco
its probably quite easy to disable the black mask around the eyes, then you could take the yellow area
disabling the black mask will hurt performance though, so its nothing you would want to do permanently
@jaunty shell it would be easy to make them configurable as console variables, yeah
jaunty shell
Do you have any insight on how you can expose them to the console ? I have absolutely no idea on how to do it since I'm mostly programming with blueprints. I have the .cpp file opened and can rebuild the source during lunch time
quartz acorn
Is there any way, we can detect the watch wearing on character arms, to be detected when Vive controller is rotated ?
full junco
@jaunty shell sure, at the top of any .cpp or .h file, just add
static TAutoConsoleVariable<float> CVarMyGreatVariable(
TEXT("r.MyGreatVariable"),
1.f,
TEXT("Set my great variable"),
ECVF_Scalability | ECVF_RenderThreadSafe);
I had a look for Locomotion Armswinger, but seems like they provide option for Unity only
full junco
@jaunty shell then replace whatever hardcoded value in the code with CVarMyGreatVariable->GetFloat()
jaunty shell
thanks, gonna try it out right now
full junco
so then you can just open the console and type something like "r.MyGreatVariable 2" and it would have the value 2
you can also start it with anything else, so you could also call it "xyz.WhatEvaaa"
full junco
look at the PR
jaunty shell
RendererModule->DrawRectangle(
RHICmdList,
ViewportWidth / 4, 0,
ViewportWidth / 2, ViewportHeight,
0.1f, 0.2f,
0.3f, 0.6f,
FIntPoint(ViewportWidth, ViewportHeight),
FIntPoint(1, 1),
*VertexShader,
EDRF_Default);
jaunty shell
is it a rect ?
because the viewportwidth and height values have been changed aswell for the 16/9 tweak
Yeah I'm dumb its written at the start my snippet
full junco
what snippet?
jaunty shell
dunno how to format it to code on discord :p
wicked oak
new: 0.0f, 0.3f, 0.4f, 0.4f
old 0.1f, 0.2f,0.3f, 0.6f,
and also the rectangle size for the normal screen, so its fullscreen instead of having black bars on sides
jaunty shell
the fullscreen should be the first part of it right ? ViewportWidth/Height
wicked oak
one thing, remember to tag your engine edits
or/and put them somewhere
i mark all source code edits by commenting engine code, and adding //@mad_triangles
jaunty shell
yeah I'm commenting it
wicked oak
and then i have a txt file on the engine folder that says all the edits ive done
and what they do
full junco
@wicked oak lol why?
jaunty shell
ah good call
wicked oak
@full junco to upgrade engine easier
full junco
dont you have it in git?
wicked oak
its strange you are going to remember all the edits
for that reason, i write my edits somewhere. That way, when i get a new engine, i just check the stuff and patch it
jaunty shell
can't bother with git :p
wicked oak
yes, you could do it with git, but this kind of things are not that easy to get going(at least last time i tried)
full junco
@wicked oak but why manually write stuff into a text file? thats so super unconvenient compared to git
are you not using any source control?
wicked oak
sure, but then i dont have to setup everything about git and have it properly synced with main repo and the like
i am, but on the game itself
full junco
well, the engine is where it helps most since thats where you have to keep your changes up to date with what hundreds of other people are doing
jaunty shell
right gotta go, I'll try editing it and build it after launch. Catch yall later !
sturdy coral
@fleet veldt is that video in a fresh project with them just normally attached, or is it in robo recall?
@wicked oak how do you have your engine stuff source controlled?
it is definitely worth setting up a git repo even if you want to keep things off of github itself
blissful bear
I found this post that contains lots of useful info on using git to 'easily' merge changes from various branches in Nvidia's fork of the Unreal repo together with your own.
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?53735-NVIDIA-GameWorks-Integration&p=690821&viewfull=1#post690821
I found it very handy.
... or to be more accurate. I WILL find it very useful in the near future... 😃
wicked oak
DWVR passed VR Consulation from sony
its a good enough version that it passes the technical requirements of VR games
not for full release yet, but its valid for public showing
full junco
congrats
jaunty shell
Hey I'm back ! Just to be sure, when building in VS it only builds the module you made changes for right ? (And Rebuild is to rebuild everything from scratch ?)
blissful bear
Yes that is correct. You can also build/rebuild at the project level or the solution level.
jaunty shell
Alrighty thanks
sturdy coral
@blissful bear @jaunty shell that isn't 100% right, there is a bug with rebuild on your game project that will trigger a rebuild of the full editor and take forever
sturdy coral
@jaunty shell yeah, the way around it if you need a rebuild is to manually delete your game's Intermediate folder, and then choose build (not rebuild)
full junco
@sturdy coral its a bug? I never saw rebuilding the game not rebuilding the engine, so I assumed its meant to be like this
@jaunty shell if you have modified any .h files that are used in multiple places in the engine, you can easily end up with the whole engine rebuilding even though you just changed a single file though
jaunty shell
well good thing I modified none :p
getting a build error tho
'''RendererModule->DrawRectangle (
RHICmdList,
0, 0,
ViewportWidth,
ViewportHeight,
//Adding custom console variables
CVarVRViewportWidthX.GetValueOnAnyThread, CVarVRViewportWidthY.GetValueOnAnyThread,
CVarVRViewportHeightX.GetValueOnAnyThread, CVarVRViewportHeightY.GetValueOnAnyThread,
FIntPoint (ViewportWidth, ViewportHeight),
FIntPoint (1, 1),
*VertexShader,
EDRF_Default);
full junco
I said use ->GetFloat()
jaunty shell
oh, mybad
not really used to pointers and all
rebuilding
right got one error but not related to a steamvr module smh (iphone stuff ??)
full junco
what is it saying?
jaunty shell
ergh I started a debug and it cleared the output console
doesn't seem to make the engine crash that's for sure
dammit forgot to assign default values to the preview rect 🤦
1>C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\14.0\bin\Microsoft.Common.CurrentVersion.targets(1820,5): warning MSB3245: Could not resolve this reference. Could not locate the assembly "BouncyCastle.Crypto". Check to make sure the assembly exists on disk. If this reference is required by your code, you may get compilation errors.
1>C:\Github\VRWorks_4.15\Engine\Source\Programs\IOS\iPhonePackager\Properties\Resources.resx(123,5): error MSB3103: Invalid Resx file. Could not find file 'C:\Github\VRWorks_4.15\Engine\Source\Programs\IOS\iPhonePackager\Resources\GreyCheck.png'. Line 123, position 5.
full junco
did you run the setup.bat after downloading the source code?
jaunty shell
I did but excluded the targets I don't need
I guess that's why it throws an error about IOS since I excluded it
is there a header somewhere where I can remove the code from the target platforms I don't want ?
sturdy coral
@full junco yeah it is a bug, can't find the right answerhub but there is one where they acknowledged it
full junco
@jaunty shell how did you exclude the targets?
jaunty shell
C:\Github\VRWorks_4.15\Setup.bat -exclude=Linux -exclude=IOS -exclude=Android -exclude=HTML5
in the target of the .bat
well its only for the prerequisites afaik
Aah there we go the exposed variables seems to be working
Well would you look at that... Can't even see the commands I enter 😦
jaunty shell
oh its in 30 minutes
mighty carbon
Sounds a bit too early for West coast, unless their unveil it on the East coast or in EU.
wicked oak
uhm, wonder if it will have VR
rumors say its going to be one hell of a powerhouse
leaving the ps4 pro as a noob machine
like running all xbox one titles at 4k native, while ps4 does the same but with checkerboard, so its not native
tired tree
they have to go VR at some point
PSVR is too big
and PS was already rocking them
whats their selling point? voice commands? They need to get full body IK with kinect and a headset going
wicked oak
1 million headsets sold
scorpio VR can leave sony like noobs
microsoft has inside out headsets
those can work 360 degrees and no occlusion
meanwhile psvr is very very small area
the camera has low FOV and tracking is bad
but dunno about the controller part
cobalt relic
To be fair, the PS4 Pro was twice as fast as the original one, and nobody cared
Doubtful the Scorpio will be any different
cobalt relic
So basically you'd get the same thing in 4K, which nobody has
Higher graphics are not happening because it would be XB1-exclusive, while players are on PS4
Color me skeptical of future sales
wicked oak
the thing with the ps4pro
is that you are required to do ps4 base games
you cant make a pro exclusive
cobalt relic
Microsoft will do the same if they have any shred of common sense
wicked oak
you might be able to do that with scorpio
depends on how they market it
they might market it as a pseudo prebuiltpc almost new generation
letting devs do exclusives if they want
cobalt relic
What ? The XB1 is doing pretty well, the PS4 is just doing even better
wicked oak
ps4 has like more than twice the sales
they are so desperate that they are making the exclusives work on pc too
tired tree
Yeah blanco, with a kinect + inside out tracking, a headset could likely be fairly robust
you get two perspectives of the room / the user
lots of error correction
wicked oak
the issue is what do you do with the controllers?
for the headset only its fine
but are you going to stick inside out tracking cameras on the controllers?
tired tree
yeah, the kinect is a bit laggy, not sure I would trust it to correct drift on controllers
tired tree
I know, but its what they have
don't they basically use the same setup for the headsets inside out? two depth cameras?
I heard reports that the latency wasn't so good
wicked oak
compatibility is ok, im interested if microsoft will let devs do scorpio exclusives
damn, thats really fucking brutal
for a console
cobalt relic
We'll see, but honestly they'd be completely crazy to allow it
And very few devs would be interested in that anyway
cobalt relic
Yeah, i'm dismayed by the lack of actual benchmarks
wicked oak
the clocks are like the ps4pro
but the ps4pro is basically just an overclock
not custom chips or whatever
wicked oak
they talk about some command processor thing
hardware dx12?
damn son
so reaaaaally cheap drawcalls?
cobalt relic
I thought they had that already
wicked oak
no they didnt
no one does at least that i know
so a extremelly optimized semi-hardware based DX12
damn
promising
mighty carbon
no VR - no money from me, MS
full junco
@wicked oak Xbox one has dx12 already
@jaunty shell that looks good
a bit too much though with those black edges
wicked oak
@full junco they say in the video that they have optimizing common parts of DX12 with a harware implementation
they say a state change can be like 10 cycles
mighty carbon
Google-sensei has no info whether XBScorpio will support VR or not. Where did you get that info, @cobalt relic ?
wicked oak
and that a drawcall operation can be 100 times faster
mighty carbon
like where they literally say "no VR support!" ???
wicked oak
if that is true and works like they say, looks like its going to crunch drawcalls like they arent even there
even more than they already do due to having a very thin driver
full junco
@wicked oak drawcalls are already super cheap with all low level apis, so on all consoles and on PC with dx12 and vulkan
so improvement there isn't really relevant at all
apart from allowing the marketing guys to tell that they improved stuff
wicked oak
well, they say its improved even more
lets see
lets call xbox to port our games to it XD
jaunty shell
@full junco okay so the values for the previous screencap (with black areas) are 0.0/0.2 0.4/0.6
it doesn't really scale with the size of your windows though, since the mirror is rendered at a fixed resolution
cobalt relic
@mighty carbon I don't, they just didn't say anything about it
Sounds like the kind of stuff you'd want to include about your fastest-console-ever
mighty carbon
well, maybe they are still working on it and don't want to get hype train going until they are absolutely sure VR works and works well
jaunty shell
0.03/0.2 0.42/0.6 for a preview without black areas (but it looks a bit distorted)
cobalt relic
It launches in 6 months, so they know
It's not exactly a plug-and-play feature
But sure maybe they have VR and just don't want to talk about it yet
wicked oak
they might announce it alongside the final look of the console and its price
keep in mind this reveal is specs only
tech only
no look, no price, no specific details, no exclusives or similar
cobalt relic
Sure, though it's not just tech : they do talk about backward compatibility and DVR
It's definitely possible that they announce VR down the road
tired tree
The mirror 16:9 that everyone is using is incorrect Legendre
you need to offset by 0.25
to avoid the black bars, and also use different values
i'll see if I can dig up my old fix for it
jaunty shell
tired tree
Ug, can't find my old source build where I fixed it, only have the UV values that provide the most eye room and centered the most 0.025, 0.3f U/V, the size on x/y I don't have
jaunty shell
This best result without black bars I have right now. Problem is, its a bit stretched at 16/9
mighty carbon
https://80.lv/articles/preparing-natural-scenes-for-vr/ << interesting
graceful junco
What about this one? I bookmarked it a while back. That's what I'm using currently. https://pastebin.com/TZxfyPN2
tired tree
happy, that one looks better
jaunty shell
sheesh work firewall block pastbin, can you believe it...
tired tree
the original values everyone was using wasn't 16:9 and wasn't centered on the visible area
and that pastebin looks close to my values I used
graceful junco
ViewportWidth, ViewportHeight,
0.006f, 0.2825f,
0.44f, 0.4425f,
graceful junco
It should be, yes.
blissful bear
I'll try them values later. Thanks Happy, MordenTral and Legend
graceful junco
Honestly, I didn't notice any difference between using what apparently is wrong numbers and these ones.
tired tree
there is a difference
for one it is sampling more pizels
pixels
original one cut off more than it needed to and wasn't fully 16:9
that being said, the total pixel count is low enough that it isn't going to make it look like the next blockbuster hollywood epic anyway :p
jaunty shell
oh damn your settings are actually very, very good @graceful junco
I'm not even sure there's distortion
graceful junco
I didn't do the math to come up with these numbers :P. I think those were posted here or on the forums before.
wicked oak
gonna test myself
jaunty shell
good grief 😃 now altering the screenpercentage does jackshiet, I guess its a matter of changing the window resolution in the editor parameters to get a better preview
wicked oak
btw, do you know how to avoid fullscreen in steamvR?
steamVR allways goes fullscreen for me
while oculus doesnt
tired tree
I just set resolution to windowed after stereo on
blissful bear
@graceful junco Those viewport params work great. Thanks.
mighty carbon
for people with money https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/titan-xp/
tired tree
more money than sense in that case
jaunty shell
wait wot, is that another new titan ?
mighty carbon
well, if you need more performance than 1080Ti, here it is 😃
for VR, there is never enough power
wicked oak
its better to just get SLI-d 1080ti
jaunty shell
from a consumer standpoint
mighty carbon
since when VR supported SLI setup, @wicked oak ?
mighty carbon
oohh
mighty carbon
nah, those damn branches..
wicked oak
but you could implement the changes into your own engine
mighty carbon
why can't they put it all in one place, namely UE4 master
wicked oak
better than AMD doing nothing
couse they are nvidia only fixes
they do nothing on amd
and ue4 really, really doesnt want nvidia or amd only features
mighty carbon
can't Epic have a check - if you run AMD, those feature don't kick in and if you run Nvidia, you use it all ?
jaunty shell
Alternate Frame Rendering is on the main UE4 branch since 4.15 afaik
wicked oak
thats not for vr games
games that support VR SLI get a massive boost
VR SLI scales really well
one gpu does each eye
mighty carbon
it would be nice to have Oculus branch with all the Nvidia goodies
jaunty shell
well its rendering an eye per GPU so in theory you'd have a 100% gain
clever sky
Hey Vblanco... you're doing a smooth turning mechanic in your new shooter right?
jaunty shell
"in theory"
clever sky
how do you turn relative to the capsule?
wicked oak
becouse the capsule is my character
when i move, the capsule moves with you
its ALLWAYS aligned to the head
clever sky
So you're just using the standard cahracter movement stuff?
clever sky
Then how are you moving the capsule around? 😛
wicked oak
teleporting it
problem is that this breaks the replication completely
so i had to replicate it myself
clever sky
oh
wicked oak
but thanks to @tired tree i know now how to fix it
so it can use character replication inside the engine
clever sky
You can teleport the capsule independently of the actor?
wicked oak
i have a "vr origin"
tired tree
he has it seperated
clever sky
Is that the same as what you're doing Mord?
wicked oak
i move the vr origin too, in a way that the head is allways on top of the cylinder
i think he has a better implementation
tired tree
no, I directly add the movement in to the character, or move the root relative to the actor, depending on which of the two characters is used
his is a third method
tired tree
his is closer to what I was helping jonas work on
clever sky
I'm hitting walls with my hacky implementation.
tired tree
I never bothered to try....its pretty simple with a character
wicked oak
mine pushes you back
as you move the head, the capsule moves too
if you try to move into a wall, the capsule wont move but the origin will
so you get "pushed back"
tired tree
yeah blanco, both of mine do that too
clever sky
How would you rotate the character smoothly relative to the user position?
tired tree
you use a different pivot point
the pivot is the offset from actor root to the hmd location
its not just rotation that gets set, location of the actor also gets set
clever sky
Then, you call the controller yaw function?
clever sky
But your stuff has it turned off?
clever sky
Ok. I'm going to go lie down now. Bloody rotation testing wrecks you 😛
tired tree
but using an offset pivot point will require that the actor also move
tired tree
there is code for it somewhere in my thread, i helped someone with
also I gave Jonas an implementation recently
think he got it working
clever sky
I fixed the VR template rotation teleportation issue
There's a small window of time between executing teleport and actually calling the teleport function
tired tree
come to think of it, I should probably make a rotate around pivot helper node for people...
clever sky
where it's still taking touchpad input
So if you lift the thumb off during this window...
it defaults to 0,0.
clever sky
Doesn't seem like it. Just keeps reading it up until the last moment.
tired tree
oh, the capacitive
clever sky
Then it fades the camera, and then teleports
but if you lift off during the camera fade it'll read 0,0
when it goes to teleport
tired tree
lol
i'll have to fix it i my template then, I just used theirs so people had what they were used too, I don't use teleport so never noticed
tired tree
btw I am sampling hands + head at the same time for my RIP motion and then smoothing it with a low pass filter
are you using a lowpass for the input?
clever sky
Nope
clever sky
What's the difference between lowpass and rolling average?
clever sky
When I started, I did some crazy array based algorithm 😄
tired tree
I also have an exponential but its not so nice for rip
clever sky
so a clamp?
tired tree
the VRTK in unity does it, but just by using an array of all past velocities for N frames
rolling average is the same but calculated on the fly
no storage
clever sky
array of past vels for N frames is exactly what I was doing before.
tired tree
yeah
i started with that for testing
then made rolling average and exponential instead
clever sky
What's exponential do?
tired tree
I wanted to make a waveform low pass but cant think of an implementation where I wouldn't have to store past velocities
exponential has a different curve to the output
I don't like it with RIP at all
clever sky
Yeah, I can see that.
I was dampening and removing small motions before... but it was problematic in the low end.
a lot of users didn't like it.
tired tree
yeah with my averaging, I just sample a different N of frames to get more/less sensitive results
clamping a min / max for movement
clever sky
Fair call. So have you implemented hip/waist tracking yet?
Have had the hardware sitting around for a couple weeks 😛 I should integrate it soon...
clever sky
Ah that sucks
tired tree
i'm waiting on a firmware update
it workedfine for a singledaqy
even hard reset doesn't fix it
clever sky
Dang. Well... hopefully that's an isolated issue.
tired tree
i had issues with the controllers during the early days too, got ironed out eventually
mighty carbon
I am guessing people are indeed tired of wave shooters and crave story driven FPS games
(didn't get into details for this game, just my observation based on reading stuff online 😛 )
tired tree
no use buying the same thing in a different package for the 50th time
mighty carbon
well, that's what I do outside of VR - buy AAA FPS games 😃
tired tree
oh @clever sky have you played around with what VRTK does for its partial lock locomotion direction?
mighty carbon
(people say they are all the same, but not for me)
clever sky
I haven't touched Unity D:
tired tree
they lock the forward vector to HMD within a radius of the hands forward vector
and if it goes outside of it (looking to the side), uses the hands
clever sky
Interesting.
tired tree
its clever tbh
clever sky
So prevents small changes in direction when moving the hands around?
tired tree
yeah
clever sky
Nice. Might give it a shot.
I've actually improved upon the current steam release in that area. But might be worthwhile improving it more.
I'm just dampening the controller direction.
tired tree
I have too much to do to really perfect any of the moments, I did basic implementations of everything and left enough variables for people to modify
I assume yours is smoother
clever sky
Yeah... those are the areas I'm trying to work on
So I stop getting random complaints 😛
tawdry dragon
Whats your steam game? I will come by with random complaints then! Muahhahah! 😄
clever sky
Freedom Locomotion VR
clever sky
Actually don't mind complaints. As long as they're constructive 😃
tired tree
oh zap, you disabled all wall collision right? How are you handling climbing / standing on top?
the built in version I made works differently than how you would have had to do it
clever sky
I disable wall collision when moving around in roomscale.
I turned it back on when moving.
tired tree
different collision can be used for IRL walking than locomotion now
clever sky
Oh D:
wicked oak
and they killing it again for 4.16
tired tree
enums don't work the same as of 4.15
wicked oak
lots of changes on the character movement stuff
tired tree
yeah I assume
tired tree
yeah have to use new style enums on 4.15
clever sky
That's gonna be a bit of work. How did they change?
tired tree
4.13 didn't allow it for replication, 4.14 did but allowed for old style too
blanco, are they merging the gravity changes into 4.16?
i haven't looked at incoming changes
wicked oak
only had a peek
clever sky
Wonder if they'll have in-place locomotion as one of the options in Fallout 4.
That'd be sweet. Give us all the options Bethesda.
tired tree
oh
its not that bad
its all accumulated forces fixes
going to be a hell of a lot more work for me to update than you blanco
oh fscopedmovement changes too
jeez
clever sky
@mighty carbon Vindicta looks kinda fun. Single player FPS with arm swinging.
sturdy coral
@tired tree is most of the 4.16 stuff in master?
tired tree
looks like it
sturdy coral
still don't see steam audio but might be looking in the wrong place
tired tree
it might not be in master yet
but they've been doing movement component changes like every 2 days in it
tired tree
not that i can see
sturdy coral
in trello they have that as a goal and also something about merging in unreal tournament changes to it
mighty carbon
how would you make it where player is at 0, 0, 0 of the world and when player "moved", the world actually moves and players stays ? (for large worlds, to avoid precision loss)
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon search world origin shifting I think it was added in 4.6 or something
blissful bear
Has anyone tried Win 10 build 15063 (Creator's edition) with UE4 and the Vive yet?
tawdry dragon
Just came home from seeing "Ghost in The Shell"... Damn I would love experience me some Neo Tokyo in VR
tawdry dragon
looking at the screenshots/360 video, it seems a bit tame. How does it hold up inside the rift?
sturdy coral
@fleet veldt they mentioned the jittery hands thing on the robo recall stream just now
gave some explanation having to do with mispredictions
blissful bear
@sturdy coral I missed the robo recall optimization stream. Will watch it when I get a chance. What sort of optimization gave the biggest improvement would you say? Or was it the case of many smaller improvements adding up.
mighty carbon
@tawdry dragon it looks like shit in Gear VR, but I've heard it's all real time rendered on Rift
tawdry dragon
just tried it
meeeeeeeh
not impressed 😛
atleast, doesnt do the wonderfull envirionment, from the film, justice
mighty carbon
have you watched original anime ?
tawdry dragon
I have not, but will tomorrow
speaking of ghost in the shell'esque stuff... I was wondering how you would go about and achieve the "world degration/pixelation/voxelization" that they did for the Oculus First Contact tutorial that runs after you setup your Rift
mighty carbon
watch the original, not 2.0
tawdry dragon
all those individual cubes with individual animation
without getting a huge performance hit
mighty carbon
(2.0 is a touch up of the original, with CGI added)
eternal inlet
work in progress of my climbing and grapplehook experiments... filled with bugs and strange edge cases, so still a lot of work to do, but seems promising
blissful bear
@eternal inlet Great stuff man! MordenTral's plugin is shit-hot isn't it!
blissful bear
Ah, my mistake. Apols. Looks fantastic fun!
eternal inlet
no worries 😃 and it is great fun... when it works... it sometimes craps out still
blissful bear
I did a similar test using MordenTral's superb plugin using Nvidia FleX ropes. Didn't get as much air as you though 😉
eternal inlet
oho, flex ropes..
i used physics constraints for this only
and the cable component, but purely for visuals
blissful bear
Works really well. Am keen to try out the cable component too. Any gotchas/advice on that??
glossy agate
Jonas got the end point of cable to place right. I was having trouble with that part but he figured it out.
blissful bear
Ah yes, my ropes were statically placed.
eternal inlet
I just shut down pc but will send a screen of the math for getting it right.. its a bit un-intuitive
blissful bear
That'd be cool. Thanks! I'm always grateful for anything that saves me time, even if only a little. Time is what really limits what I can do, I'm sure it's the same for lots of us. I hope I can reciprocate in some way in the future. 😃
fleet veldt
@sturdy coral cool, i asked the question at the start of stream but had to go to a meeting so missed it, i'm watching the archived video on twitch now.
glossy agate
They can tell you havn't been praying to lord Gaben often enough. Try a chicken sacrifice.
mighty carbon
something like that
I guess it's not customary in Asian countries to give dev kits for free
so HTC probably doesn't want to do it now (they probably had no choice at the beginning)
glossy agate
You check the dev grant program to see if they have any left? That's where I got mine.
Last I heard they were out though
mighty carbon
with Epic? Yeah, they are out
they've been out for a while
Oculus is the only company that still offers dev units (it's CV1, but they offer it as "dev unit")
glossy agate
Yeah. I submitted, and the stream like 2 days later said they were about out so I thought I missed out but chance emailed me a couple hours after saying I got one haha. Went from super disappointing to super happy!
blissful bear
Closest I ever got to free dev stuff is HTC sending me a code for 10% off a Tracker. Guess I shouldn't complain. 😦
full junco
@sturdy coral the steam audio is in master already
raven halo
@mighty carbon little update regarding the vertical tearing I'm getting with Android 7. Oculus claims now that the issue was already fixed and that I should not be experiencing it, they are telling me to share my project with them so they can take a look, which I will.
They are suggesting I might have a project setting that is somehow conflicting with Android 7. Is there any chance you could share your project settings with me so I can compare? Stuff like Engine/Rendering/Optimizations or maybe Engine/General Settings/Framerate ?
full junco
@glossy agate also got my vive from epic, with the first batch they sent out I think. was roughly a year ago or so
when I think that I'm already working on my game for more than a year, damn, that sounds so long
originally I wanted to have it released after a month or so lol
@mighty carbon I also asked valve and HTC directly back then for a vive and never heard anything back
Was there anything interesting in that robo recall optimization stream? usually those streams are aimed at beginners so I don't really think this worth to spend time with it, or did they show some awesome source modifications to improve performance?
glossy agate
Dang, over a year is quite a while. Let us see a demo man! Hoping to have mine done next month (actually this month with some lead time for more marketing and little optimizations)
I watched some of the stream. Had some interesting stuff about capsule shadows from the physics asset, and optimizing quad overdraw for the AA method they used.
full junco
thanks, that's both not very interesting to me
glossy agate
Yeah it wasn't so I dropped out haha. I just like the tutorial based streams to make fun stuff
I mean it was interesting what can be done, but its stuff I will probably never touch
full junco
I don't use any static lighting and I don't use the forward renderer, so both of what you mentioned are irrelevant for me
glossy agate
Im using instanced stereo so not sure if that even uses forward rendering? My projects still in 4.13
full junco
instanced stereo is independent from forward rendering
and in 4.13 there is no real forward rendering I think
raven halo
@full junco I only started watching the stream now, and there is some very very cool stuff
full junco
@raven halo ok, like?
raven halo
so, they are showing some of the default cvar's and explaining exactly what they do and why the changed them
r.scenecolorformat (i believe it's called) they set it to 3 and claim that saved 1ms
o_O
full junco
hm, ok
isn't that something you can also set in the project settings in a drop down menu?
raven halo
yeah probably
full junco
@raven halo I actually already have that set to 2
@raven halo and I think that epic guy said that "r.scenecolorformat to 3, rarely makes a difference, saves usually a nanosecond or so"
raven halo
I think he said it saved 1 milisecond? did I misshear? o_O
full junco
I'm not 100% sure if he said nanosecond or millisecond, but it wouldnt make any sense to say that it rarely makes a difference but usually saves a millisecond, because then it would make a huge difference
so quite sure he said nanosecond
raven halo
a nanosecond is... nothing. it's not even worth mentioning then!
silk lodge
are nanoseconds even real?
full junco
same real like milliseconds
zinc violet
oh, steam has VR anniversary sale
http://store.steampowered.com/app/327140 free to use for next 2 days
same with raw data
opal bobcat
has anyone ever resized a UMG element during runtime?
im looking to make a collapsable text field
i cant seem to find a setsize() in any of the widget classes in c++
similar to what you find here: https://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/tryit.asp?filename=trybs_collapsible&stacked=h
where a button click toggles showing the collapsable area
mighty carbon
@raven halo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2-JsTAHjVA
@opal bobcat animate resizing of widgets and then play anim in runtime maybe ?
opal bobcat
@mighty carbon yeah i'd love to be able to resize the components inside the widget
resizing the widget itself isnt really what i want to do
basicaly like i have a scroll area in the widget
and id like the things inside the scroll area to expand when i hit a button
i havent found anywhere to control the x/y size of a widget component
without scaling it
which scales the content inside of it
mighty carbon
I don't know UMG that deep, sorry
sturdy coral
@blissful bear it was lots of different things, aggressively lowering geometry detail to avoid quad complexity was the biggest GPU thing (they even do some custom stuff when you look at complex geometry of a building face from a glancing angle because all the tris get packed together and cause quad overdraw), and blueprint nativization and some object pooling was the biggest on the CPU
full junco
@sturdy coral the thing I found most interesting is the bloom optimization they did
fleet veldt
@eternal inlet your climbing graple stuff looks great good job!
mighty carbon
alright, added more particle effects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbyJzk0xaFk
I noticed that when I activate particle system, the game hitches
why would that happen?
full junco
@mighty carbon I dont know why it hitches
what are you actually doing in that game? I'm always seeing you click on stuff, but whats the goal the player has?
mighty carbon
it's not a game, it's an experience
you just explore the land and find that drone that lacks power cell. Then you find power cell, insert it into drone and watch what happens
with HRTF sound it's pretty cool
full junco
ah
mighty carbon
I am putting it all together right now and once all pieces work, I'll get back to assets, sounds and polish
while working on this piece I figured what I don't like the most about game dev - making particle effects 🙀
mighty carbon
I don't know yet.. Hopefully 10 min at least
yeah, people pay if price is right
I am thinking ~$1 would be a good price
I was going to put a lot more into it, but meh.. I'd hate to spend too much dev time and not make anything with it
full junco
ok
mighty carbon
Gear VR is actually more about short experiences than fully fledged games
full junco
well, experiences are a lot more art heavy than games, so as an artist making an experience is way nicer I guess
mighty carbon
true, but at some point it will be also true for games
vblanco already felt it
it's just Oculus/Samsung figured that Gear VR is used for passive experiences and video consumption a lot more than for games
there are some pretty not pleasing to the eye experiences on Gear VR.. Someone buys those.
full junco
what do you mean with "at some point it will be also true for games"?
full junco
good gameplay is way easier for "standing out" than good art
because regarding art you can never compete with AAA
mighty carbon
not always true
true, you can't
but there are a ton of indies with good consistent art and those you compete against
you also compete with AAA for play time. So I doubt that good art is not important
or you gotta be first in the genre 😃
some countries are adamant about the looks of a game
full junco
a good game can have shitty art and good gameplay and still be a very good game. the other way, shitty gameplay and good art will not make it a good game, it will be a bad game, unless the art is extremely good, like the best looking game that was ever released
mighty carbon
well, I have not played much of indie games because they have crappy visuals and "innovative" gameplay
those 2 things combined is instant turn off for me
full junco
can you show me a screenshot of the grid of UE4?
mighty carbon
?
full junco
the grid, thats shown when you are around coordinate 0 in Z
mighty carbon
I don't think it shows for me since I have terrain mesh above 0
mighty carbon
one sec.. loading UE4
lol, wtf... 16Gb of DDR4 RAM and sometimes it takes forever to load
full junco
loading speeds arent dependent on RAM but on CPU and SSD
full junco
well thats a huge issue then 😛
mighty carbon
I think maybe because I am downloading Dishonored 2 demo right now 😛
(~19Gb demo!)
4.15.1
sturdy coral
@mighty carbon do you have any particle lights?
sturdy coral
so just a hitch during the startup of it but not during?
real needle
@tired tree I'm seeing some odd behavior with the VRCharacter and Destructible chunks. A high "large chunk threshold" removes collision from the chunks, but with the VRCharacter they still collide. Any idea why this might be? Collision settings are the same on the default Character that I'm testing with
full junco
@mighty carbon thanks, that grid looks good
real needle
@tired tree Nvm, I just had to type that out to realize collision on the "owner no see" avatar was the cause...
glossy agate
@mighty carbon looks cool so far! For the hitch maybe try spawning an emitter earlier with no visibility and turn viz on when you need it. If it's a phone CPU issue maybe that will hide it? I actually can't really notice it as is.
full junco
they finally merged dev-vr into master today!
the oldest commit in there is from 2016/06/13 lol
I wonder if dev-vr really hasn't been merged to master for that long
a lot of stereo layer things in there
and they merged the PR to make steamvr work with vulkan on linux
and they fixed the LOD per eye issue
and they added "PSVR: Social Screen Support", no idea what that means but maybe @wicked oak cares about it
they also updated to newest openvr sdk
mobile multi view is no longer experimental @mighty carbon
Monoscopic Far Field also isnt
and they completely rewrote much of the adaptive pixel density oculus stuff, thats annoying
full junco
aaand the LOD per eye issue is not fixed for HISMCs, only for all other meshes
HISMCs have their own LOD calculation and obviously the VR guys dont know about that
real needle
@full junco the psvr social screen support probably means that we will soon be able to show a separate preview render target than only left/right eye, on pc aswell
full junco
that makes sense
I don't think it has anything to do with PC though, it's highly unlikely that it will also work on PC
the code is only for PSVR I think
real needle
yeah I meant that they will hopefully also make it work for PC soon
It's been requested for quite a while, especially since it's required for mixed reality
real needle
I'd say it makes sense for both, there are alot of people who choose unity for the mixed reality/being able to show a better preview than UE alone atm
Cropping the portrait mode preview to make it 16:9 isn't great
I was prototyping a piece of UI similar to @clever sky's "direction" icon, and everyone watching couldn't see it with the cropped preview
clever sky
The standard line right now is - just have a multiplayer observer!
Which is... a valid solution, but not the easiest one.
Certainly easier to do it on Unity!
real needle
@clever sky That works for The Nest atm since it's all networked, but for most projects it's a bit cumbersome to replicate events just for the sake of the preview
clever sky
Exactly
real needle
I need to have you playtest my new locomotion system
But as soon as I got done with it I started prototyping destructible nests/actors
Destructible environments is very satisfying
Had a lot of "gasp" reactions when I showed it off yesterday
full junco
@real needle but the point of that social stuff isnt having a better preview, its having multiple people locally playing together
and destructibles are super expensive and completely abandoned by epic
real needle
I'm able to have about 250+ destructible actors (15 chunks each) without performance problems. Players can only use a skill every 4sec that fractures meshes within a 200cm radius, and knock of singular chunks with the regular weapons
I can't use dynamic shadowing but I the debris timeout is 3-5 sec so they don't simulate for very long
When you mean abandoned does that mean that the entire apex pipeline is something epic won't continue supporting or just the in editor destructibles?
My game isn't very tough on the CPU so I have some leeway there
And destructibles are actually handled on the cpu
full junco
they will likely replace the whole apex stuff
real needle
I saw their in editor cloth sim generator, that looked awesome
I was pretty sure that was still apex though?
full junco
it was some super low level stuff, not apex I think
but the same that apex cloth is built on
real needle
That's interesting, I'm guessing it'll perform very well
full junco
and i'm wondering, where in your game can you switch weapons or have anything within 200 cm of the player that can be destroyed?
real needle
which, if the player lands a good shot, is a complete nest
since I haven't been able to find an environment artist for the project, I decided to do it all myself with some asset packs that I'm modifying
find/afford
the people I did bring on doesn't understand VR and how important it is to test in editor and prototype for performance/fidelity
I've also built a couple of very useful construction blueprints that allows me to build levels much faster, it's on the verge of being completely semi-procedural
last dive now into the destructible mechanic and then I can flesh out the missions for the co-op campaign
doing an 8 player playtest at the end of next week, but I still have major issues with 3dwigetcomponents not responding to pointer events...
full junco
ok
real needle
I will probably have to build a repro project but the problems doesn't show up in PIE...
eternal inlet
@real needle which platform are you building for? if it's something i can play on vive, let me know if you need a tester and some feedback
jaunty shell
Good mornin' everyone !
fleet veldt
i'm just now about to go to bed
jaunty shell
oh well, good night then 😃
eternal inlet
thx @fleet veldt 😃
@full junco u been able to spot if there's been opened up for overriding the viewports in vr to allow splitscreen between hmd and screen?
full junco
@eternal inlet what?
eternal inlet
Mordentral and i was looking into the possibility of doing a splitscreen for assymetrical play
raven halo
@mighty carbon thanks so much for the video yesterday!!! I owe you one!
eternal inlet
but he found that the viewport was apparently locked to the hmd when it was playing in vr
i was hoping you could do splitscreen gameplay where one player was using the hmd and other was using the 2d screen
full junco
@eternal inlet it would be super expensive, it would have to render everything twice
and how is it locked to the hmd? I think you can always submit a different render target to the preview window
eternal inlet
i suppose it would be pretty expensive yes
as i recall, it wasn't possible to change the render target
im just looking to see if htere's a way to do something like VR duo dinner in UE4 without two clients
super fun concept btw
full junco
VR duo dinner?
I dont see why it shouldnt be possible to change the render targets, in the end its just a DrawRectangle() call and you can put anything in there
dusk vigil
RoboRecall has a custom viewport on monitor, showing the game + the scoreboard on the side, perhaps digging into how they have done it could help
But it does not have a separate camera view. I am also assuming it should be possible
If Mordentral has already looked into it, it sounds a bit challenging though.
I'm guessing it's the 'Diner Duo' game that is being referenced
full junco
if robo recall is showing custom stuff then I guess anyone can look at the source and do it the same way, right?
dusk vigil
I don't think they mean that you can't 'learn' from it though : )
full junco
@wicked oak epic says "'we're proud to make all the assets and source code for Robo Recall available to everyone via the Robo Recall Mod Kit"
so they say all source code is available
wicked oak
engine included?
i know game code is
also all assets
but engine code?
i think its a sourceless "rocket" style build
full junco
all source code is all source code unless they dont mean all source code
blissful bear
Morning all.
full junco
all source code for a game thats made with UE4 always has to include all engine source code too