hey guys, is DFAO not available in VR at the moment?
#virtual-reality
honest wyvern
sharp swan
nope.
honest wyvern
Dang, what a pity. Thanks!
mighty carbon
"One such platform that’s launching at MWC and GDC (since both shows are happening simultaneously), is Qualcomm’s new Snapdragon 835 VR development kit. This new Snapdragon 835 VR development kit features a 2560×1440 AMOLED display, 6DoF tracking, eye tracking, foveated rendering and many other performance and power saving features."
wicked oak
really not a bad thing
so like that standalone oculus ?
leap motion stuff for such a headset is a great thing
inside out tracking adn stuff
of course it has the FOV limit for the tracking
mighty carbon
yeah
I don't know if it's going to be a retail product or if it's just for R&D and available only to selected devs through Qualcomm's dev network.
wintry escarp
pimax, review said that's 60hz and is only 1080p upscaled
mighty carbon
I mean, you can use cheap Cardboard HMD, any phone and Nolo VR to play PC VR games (Steam VR)
with motion controls and positional tracking
wintry escarp
S8 may have a selling feature for me afterall
has an iris scanner
I apparently have very worn fingerprints, that's why the s7 fingerprint reader is near worthless when I use it
mighty carbon
yeah
but I am sure S8 itself won't have all the bells and whistles as Qualcomm's VR dev kit
raven halo
I'm super excited for that dev kit
the specs are impressive
I'm guessing that even if I could get my hands on one of those, we would need to wait for epic to add support :/
raven halo
wow the qualcomms sdk is very reasonably priced
only 300$
😮
I wonder how much more the 835 version will cost
mighty carbon
I wonder if Qualcomm offers UE4 plugin for that dev kit
I registered and asked them 😃
karmic kelp
Hi guys, Need a quick advice. I'm planning to develop an application for Android Using AR [Agumented Reality] in UE4 what is the best plugin that has good support and documentation
raven halo
@mighty carbon let me know if it turns out that they do have one, because if so I'll be ordering one! 😄
mighty carbon
will do 😃
raven halo
btw, just want to say that UMG sucks
that is all
I've taken a look with renderdoc...
and jesus christ
it already has aliasing in the render target
even before it's rendered on a plane and on to the final render
:C
the reason why is because the background is black
and it creeps into the white parts of the alpha channel
haven't tested it yet, but I think it will look better if I add a "background" UMG plane behind the text
at least then the only aliasing it will suffer is from the final render. At least the render target will be fine
mighty carbon
it looks ok in Gear VR, but yeah.. It's one of those unresolved issues for mobile VR and AA
also, Create Widget is performance taxing operation 😦
I am guessing for mobile VR it's better to simply put all UMG icons in place and hide them. Then when needed - unhide them. The paid on this is there is no way to correlate inventory item in the array with widget/icon in the UMG
noble crater
is everyone building their own VR keyboards? not seeing anything in marketplace or open souce
wicked oak
looks great
mighty carbon
do they use some special fork of UE4? I am surprised performance is great (supposedly) with all that foliage
tired tree
They've always had a custom build of UE4, since they added their own Global GI (and tanked engine performance in the base game at the same time)
dunno what they changed for their VR showcase, but hopefully a lot
mighty carbon
I recall all improvements trickle down to Epic's master, don't they ?
reef totem
Do y'all keep your textures at 2048 for the most part? Or bump everything down to 1024?
wicked oak
i have everytihng at 4k
then i push stuff down when packaging
but textures are created at 4k
reef totem
Hmm, so how do you push it down at packaging?
tired tree
@mighty carbon Arks engine improvements trickle down? doubt it for the bug stuff like their GI. They might commit bug fixes back to main but their engine version is far behind now.
eternal inlet
hi guys, are any of you guys doing hand collisions for vr? so the hands can't just move through meshes and stuff?
mighty carbon
@eternal inlet that would create disconnect between your physical and VR body - not good
eternal inlet
yes i get that... so bad practice?
mighty carbon
sounds like it
eternal inlet
just feels weird that you can wave hands through meshes
mighty carbon
make them draw over
eternal inlet
although it's also weird when they're not where they are supposed to be
eternal inlet
what do u mean draw over?
eternal inlet
that sounds even more confusing tho
mighty carbon
that's what FPS games have done with weapons since the dawn of gaming
eternal inlet
but this is VR
mighty carbon
(so that weapons don't go through walls)
eternal inlet
whole new set of rules apply
mighty carbon
yeah, but it's still to a certain point
without anything to stop your physical body, you have to accept certain limitations beforehand
either going through geometry or drawing over the scene is IMO a way better than moving your physical hand freely, but seeing your virtual hand being stopped by virtual world
IMO
eternal inlet
hmm
with ie. head movement
i feel its weird to get pushed back when moving into meshes
therefore i went with a solution that fades camera to black
with hands it's something different
i did a test some time ago with a push mechanic
that basically also allow you to push hands through walls, but to gain the feeling of pushing
think you tried a demo of it earlier? the fullbody stuff i made?
or maybe it was someone else?
eternal inlet
ah
dusky moon
Interesting !
http://www.roadtovr.com/valve-launches-free-steam-audio-sdk-beta-give-vr-apps-immersive-3d-sound/
I think 4.16 is all about Audio!
eternal inlet
seems so 😃
personally i look forward to play around with new audio features for sure
dusky moon
same! It seems like a new door to some amazing stuff to discover
eternal inlet
from the article video it sounds similar to the occlusion stuff epic games demoed earlier
but im sure there are more going on behind the scene
dusky moon
exactly! I guess if these two are going to pop at the same time I'd rather user Epic's solution
eternal inlet
yeah me too probably
dusky moon
just regarding to all the amazing stuff heard about their new Audio Engine . I have to say it was a feature that I've been waiting for a year
@eternal inlet I'm watching over your tutorials about VR collission, it's really awesome man! just one point about the Eject from Wall
eternal inlet
yes?
dusky moon
I found that It can become a bit of a problem when you change the offset of user in Roomscale
because at some point you're dragging and offseting user's position inside the roomscale space
eternal inlet
u mean because u end up in a corner of the room?
eternal inlet
true, but couldn't really figure out a better way
as far as i could tell, it's about the same that would happen if i just left it to the pushback
or maybe im wrong?
dusky moon
right , it actually is ok for some projects ... but for example for my case ... I have a room in VR and I don't want user's offset to be changed in the room by colliding with walls of the room
dusky moon
yes I'd rather skip it for the room ... but !
if the user is not inside the room . then I'm actually free to mess around with it's location
so this ejection trick I think works best for Standing experiences
not for Actual RoomScales
eternal inlet
my ejection trick or yours works best for standing?
dusky moon
Ah I haven't implemented that yet . but will do when I did
- doing some sound reverb effects in conjunction with the Fade to black thing makes it more awesome and less confusing
or even fading the general audio to silence
#makeCollisionsGreatAgain
eternal inlet
jup
adding sound occlusion or reverb will make a huge difference indeed
might add that to the series eventually, once im done recording how to build the core functionality
dusky moon
Cool!
eternal inlet
then again, it might be a better idea to postpone it to 4.16 when the audio stuff is more settled
but i guess it could be done already with what we have now
im hoping to be able to post a short grab/interaction series first though... as you may have noticed, im working on some of it now
dusky moon
Yeah that's a thing. I'm postponing everything audio related to 4.16...
eternal inlet
good plan
dusky moon
Nice, I'm interested in testing some Force field stuff with motioncontrollers
like attracting objects to your hand
dusky moon
yeah maybe
eternal inlet
i seem to remember seeing people do that using physics handles
like the portal gun
or hl gun thingie
portalgun=gravitygun
dusky moon
It might also work with radial force thing
setting it's strength to negative
and attaching it to hands
eternal inlet
might work too
real needle
Steam Audio woo
eternal inlet
@dusky moon think you're right about doing a force or add manual delta since using physicshandle alone, will more or less snap it to your hand
dusky moon
@eternal inlet ah good to know! because I was about to dive into physicshandle..
dusky moon
will do then : )
restive blade
I really wanted to go to GDC this year 😦
eternal inlet
@dusky moon Something like this? https://gyazo.com/bb04d0fedf202e41410a9072778b10a7
dusky moon
@eternal inlet yes something like that...
only if it could pull more than one object
at a time
eternal inlet
Should be pretty easy to expand to a sphere trace and grab array of hits
Or create a influence sphere of a kind where it hits to pick up actors to attract
dusky moon
Nice! and you used the add force thing ?
eternal inlet
Yes
Could actually be a cool effect to have like some magnetic gloves that would pull in stuff in a general distance and direction of hands
Based off distance to all actors of a class and dot angle to forward vector
And once released they will all drop to the ground
dusky moon
Ha yes thats neat! It feels great to vacuum stuff in VR
eternal inlet
Hehee
glossy agate
thats awesome! if you rverse it will it just do a force push?
dusky moon
later 😉
eternal inlet
Just gotta play a bit with multipliers to get it to work
And linear damping and gravity
pearl tangle
yeah the force powers stuff is pretty easy to do
I remember doing a lot of fiddling with that back in the leap motion and dk2 days
glossy agate
Still having problems getting my steam demo to upload. Anyone on here that may be willing to help me out?
At this point it only shows up in the non VR section of the steam app still, and when I install the file is empty. When I try to launch it says bad configuration.
restive blade
Have you filled out the VR part ?
glossy agate
Sweet baby jesus I found the problem. Steam is only showing my main app and not the demo for download haha. Anyone know how to make the demo appear in my steam app?
Just realized this is moving away from UE4 related, sorry
restive blade
Hehe.. sorry.. I've not gotten that far in the steam process yet
I'm pretty sure it's a separate submission
You'll need to be issued another app Id. They only give you certain type of account for VR stuff
glossy agate
Yeah, Im not the brightest crayon I guess. I emailed the steam guy to ask how to expose the demo to my steam app.
It had its own app ID and depot already, but I may need them to grant me permission to test it.
restive blade
Most VR teams are small ATM. Hard to know it all heh
glossy agate
yeah, just me on this one
restive blade
Let's see.. I need to be a 3d modeler, coder, audio engineer, video director, social networking expert, web designer, logo designer, 3d optimization expert, multi store submission expert, press kit builder, animator, vfx expert, material builder and computer builder. I'm sure I missed a few things
So yeah.. hard to do it solo :p
glossy agate
Plus the day jobs
restive blade
Translation.. good luck getting anything out
glossy agate
Haha, Im pretty stoked Im this close, just to have something release. Demo will be out next friday after this is figured out, and final game late may. Just 6-10PM everyday plus weekends
restive blade
Then ppl complain that you little game for 3 dollars which gives them far more fun then anything else they can get for 10x the price is overpriced
What you making
glossy agate
Calling it trance VR. Just trying to make something big and fast
Thats the latest video. Final game will have boss fights, and pickups for speed and boss shards to expose the boss. Most of it is written, but I have to grind on the work needed to make real good levels
and my buddy is making all the music
If it all works out Ill have wall running and rail grinding, but at this point I can't get either to work. Game is more for the hardcore free locomotion crowd
restive blade
Lol.. the puke crowd
glossy agate
haha yeah. Gonna hit up the blueshift and onward fans
glossy agate
haha, thats what everyone says it reminds them of
I had to look it up to see. In my head I was thinking SSX tricky with guns and robots when I made it
rugged abyss
@glossy agate do you actually have a live build up on the steamworks page that you can make available for download?
glossy agate
@rugged abyss not quite yet. I have it all working now, just need to make the page nice and submit for approval. Demo will go like I think next Thursday or Friday. Probably friday so I have all weekend to fix any bugs.
When it goes live ill post it up. If you add me on steam "fatmoth1" I can DM you a link when its live too
rugged abyss
ok cool. yeah I will check it out for sure
let me know if you have any other issues getting the build live. its not very clear on their site how to go about it, but its easy once you have it figured out.
glossy agate
Will do. It's figured now and runs good. Just want to release on a weekend so I can fix stuff
pearl tangle
whats your game anyways?
mental chasm
does anyone know what the best way to package a game for VR is?
google tells me I should run fullscreen, stereo on and possibly some other console commands on begin play to do this
but that sounds pretty hacky
isn't there some better way to tell the packager to generate a packaged build as VR, or some fancy command line args that does the same
I've tried -vr, doesn't seem to work
also tested the bStartInVR bool in the general project settings, doesn't seem to do anything either
rugged abyss
blueprints?
pearl tangle
there is a toggle in the project settings that puts in the -vr 1 so you don't need to do that
mighty carbon
VR is fucked 😦
Zeni doesn't leave Oculus alone, supposedly going after Gear VR too and there is a rumor that another small company is going after Palmer
I wish there was healthy alternative to Gear VR, in case it goes down
cobalt relic
Meh
Companies will be companies, the tech will be fine
VR won't die because Oculus does
mighty carbon
eeh, it definitely will be hurt big time
AAA companies won't develop for Vive for a long time, contributing to catch-22
Daydream is pretty horrible right now and there is nothing else in mobile VR field
cobalt relic
If some company gets fucked, another will do the same thing the next year
I can't think of any tech that died solely because of legal issues
If that happens, it means nobody really gave a fuck
mighty carbon
Well, Zeni seeks to stop sales of Rift, Gear VR, games/apps using SDK in any form and also seeks to make Unity and UE4 remove any code that supports Oculus platform.
perpetually
mighty carbon
and I can tell you that people who hasn't tried VR (majority of layman) don't care for VR
tired tree
Oculus isn't the only one laying down money for VR, HTC and Playstation are doing it too. Steam is just the only one not going that route.
mighty carbon
so, how many AAA companies develop for Vive? I haven't seen any announcements. All AAA project are being developed for Rift.
tired tree
Oculus is paying out the ass for first play on AAA software
mighty carbon
good
tired tree
lol
mighty carbon
if Valve doesn't do it now, what makes you think they will after (if) Oculus goes down?
tired tree
HTC already does
and one instance would be Fallout 4 VR btw, witch is currently vive only
mighty carbon
AAA isn't about passion for VR.. It's a business and right now there is no money in VR
fallen wind
No, see it the other way around, instead of who will pay for being exclusive VR, who wont pay for being exclusive vr, so then they'll develop for vive as they can get more money there from consumers who will also all have to use Vive if oculus stops
tired tree
A lot of those games aren't locked to oculus forever
mighty carbon
no, they aren't.. But Zeni seeks to stop sales of them.
And no one wants to go to court to prove the code used is not related to Oculus and is 100% for Vive
tired tree
Zeni is seeking a stop to sales of the rift itself
the SDK can be ripped out easily if you use OpenVR
mighty carbon
tired tree
and the SDK is the only thing that oculus has hands in
mighty carbon
The company proposed Oculus be “permanently enjoined, on a worldwide basis, from using…any of the Copyrighted Materials, including but not limited to (i) system software for Oculus PC (including the Oculus PC SDK); (ii) system software for Oculus Mobile (including the Oculus Mobile SDK); (iii) Oculus integration with the Epic Games Unreal Engine; and (iv) Oculus integration with the Unity Technologies Unity Game Engine.”
mighty carbon
Most of the games are either Unity or UE4 based
tired tree
beleive it or not, anything made in unity or ue4 will work with openVR too
mighty carbon
what I saying is Zeni can just continue on their path of VR destruction after Oculus is dead and go after other devs
fallen wind
I think Unity already uses openVR instead, don't they?
tired tree
no they cant
mighty carbon
oh, but they can
mighty carbon
Zeni is known for their stupid lawsuits and C&D letters to indies
so I have no reason to believe they will settle on something that benefit devs and users
prime iris
@tired tree Do you mean through revive or are the Oculus store UE4 games working with vives out of the box?
tired tree
I mean that any game that uses UE4 or Unity can switch to OpenVR and run with the vive if they have to
if its entirely an oculus platform only integration then its a problem sure
prime iris
yeah, it's pretty trivial if people are using the engine constructs to even have revive-like hacks to make it work too
i mean outside of any huge api changes it'll be pretty much relink one game, relink them all
mighty carbon
also, I am more concerned with mobile VR than desktop VR
wicked oak
any game on UE4 works both on oculus, vive, and psvr at the same time
the only thing that would need change is the imput mapping
wich is quite similar in vive vs Oculus anyway
tired tree
Mobile VR will live without Oculus, its the real future of the medium
wicked oak
real future is AR
tired tree
and its also the largest consumer base currently
wicked oak
and AR is mobile
tired tree
AR is a different medium :p
wicked oak
but its closely related
prime iris
@wicked oak yeah i understand that. i was just asking because i would have assumed that oculus would force you to strip SteamVR libraries from Oculus Home build
tired tree
I would argue that fully immersive VR and true AR are relatable in importance though.
wicked oak
they do
mighty carbon
a poll showed that people don't want to use AR for gaming
prime iris
because there's no place for open standards in mordor
prime iris
yah
mighty carbon
I personally wouldn't even bother playing AR games unless they are in some theme park
tired tree
you wanted to room map with tango
wicked oak
i have really cool ideas i want to try with AR
tired tree
and run AI around the room
mighty carbon
that wasn't for a game, @tired tree
wicked oak
like a real world PvP shooter game that is played in a simple field
the headsets maps a X by Y square of terrain, and adds holographic cover
tired tree
decent AR is farther out than really good VR anyway though
wicked oak
then its basucally paintball/lazertag
mighty carbon
@wicked oak I'd rather play real painball than AR bs
wicked oak
goddamit the cloudflare thing hit even the sony developer network
the ip whitelisted ultrasecure one
gotta change pass....
can you add PvE on the AR bs?
prime iris
@mighty carbon would you not rather play paintball on the surface of the moon with space artillery shelling the landscape?
prime iris
my grandfathers deck...
wicked oak
AR will completely stomp the smartphone market
tired tree
Yeah i'd rather pick up a Mac10 and shoot people in Real life than in counter strike /s
wicked oak
and i mean completely destroy it
becouse why look at the tiny screen
if you can make a big screen appear in the air
oh, you cant make selfies with that
sorry then
mighty carbon
no, @prime iris , I'd rather not. I prefer single player games in totally fictional worlds. I don't play MP. And after police academy where we had tactical games with real guns, but painball-like ammo, I can tell you that no VR/computer game can match that.
tired tree
ouch that is a lot of BitCoin sites affected by the cloudflare issue.....thats not good
prime iris
@mighty carbon and what i'm trying to say is you can still shoot each other with paintballs while playing AR/VR!
you could use AR to augment the scenery without changing the gameplay
mighty carbon
AR is nowhere near the level where it can show you moon surface (or whatever) in a satisfying way
prime iris
sure, but one day it will be!
mighty carbon
and it won't be there for decades to come
mighty carbon
in a decade I'll be around 50 o.O
prime iris
then you'll appreciate the augmented gravity of the moon!
tired tree
Motor that is a silly argument, there are plenty of ex mil / police that play mil sims and FPS and really enjoy it
wicked oak
you cant run around in pc vr
becouse its a inside thing
with AR, you are completely unthetered
fallen wind
I've made an AR game once for a project which was somewhat like pokemon battles only set in jurassic park/world, where you had dino's you could collect on real cards, and then use the cards to battle other dino's, etc., which was kinda cool and worked way better as AR than it would've had it been VR, yet I've worked on VR games that work way better as VR than they would as AR, I think it mostly just depends on what kinda game you try to make
wicked oak
and can run around with it
you can do a game that plays like Raw Data, in a open ish field
doing that with full VR is ridiculously dangerous
AR can add robots and shit to that empty field
mighty carbon
oh, I enjoy Crysis, Doom, etc. Don't enjoy military shooters. Know a lot of ex-mil who don't play games at all, and also who love CoDs. All of them would rather play real thing than stupid AR.
tired tree
nah Blanco, you need Augmented Virtual Reality Reality
VR with real world overlays overlaying AR overlays
mighty carbon
I, personally, see AR as non-gaming tech to enhance our every day lives
tired tree
The cool thing about AR is that VR research will directly impact it, so its likely to come along for the ride
mighty carbon
and before AR gets where it's of today's VR quality and complexity, and is accessible, I might not even care for gaming any longer
tired tree
and since AR has a higher tech requirement it needs the boost, people don't like to invest as much in something that won't see real results for a long period
fallen wind
AR can be cool, but people call stuff like POkemon Go AR, which it isn't really, and that seems to make people think of it as something it isn't really
raven halo
afaik, advanced AR can cover your field of view 100% with virtual geometry, in essence it becomes VR.
To me AR is "a feature" of VR of sorts. You control to what degree you want to replace the real reality
first we need to get VR to a place where it's affordable, useful, and cheap
AR should come after that
fallen wind
AR, if you don't limit it to just gaming, also includes stuff like the dog ear filter on photos, etc., so it already is pretty big
and affordable, since most people already have a smartphone
raven halo
I was specifically referring to "proper AR" I guess
fallen wind
however, it'll become way better when we have glasses for AR cheaply available
mighty carbon
it's funny to read remarks like that
VR isn't cheaply available yet and per VR heads it won't be any time soon
raven halo
it will take time
mighty carbon
a lot of time 😃
raven halo
what is a lot of time for you?
raven halo
I'd say in 3 years time we will have pretty decent mobile VR
mighty carbon
with what platform ? :/
raven halo
it doesn't matter
like you were arguing before, even if Oculus fails, somebody else will step in
in terms of the technology.
in terms of funding, that's different
and I do agree it will be harder
mighty carbon
well, it does... Daydream isn't moving forward as fast as Gear VR did. And Gear VR was a pioneer tech. Now mobile VR should be moving forward pretty fast, and yet Daydream isn't moving.
raven halo
Daydream hasn't even been released worldwide yet
mighty carbon
It's an open platform, supposedly
raven halo
I had to go to Germany to buy a couple of Daydreams for example 😃
mighty carbon
so, nothing stops any vendor from making their phones Daydream compatible and release their own Daydream HMDs
raven halo
that's not true
mighty carbon
and yet, there is no rush it seems
raven halo
they need to get approved by Google
there is a certification process
and only if the phone's specs meet the demands will it get approval. I don't have any insight on the specific requirements.
but i'm sure it's not just hardware
mighty carbon
well, it is just hardware since OS is from Google
and Android 7 has native VR capacity
as long as vendors don't mess with that part of the OS, there is nothing else
raven halo
whatever the case it may be, there still a process you need to go through and you can't just release daydream compatible devices
mighty carbon
UE4 support for Daydream is still miles off compare to Gear VR support. HRTF audio doesn't even exist for Daydream. I saw people can't get controller to work with UE4 and can't use conventional gamepad to be a substitute .
raven halo
I want to think Google is at least trying to make sure the experience is as streamlined as possible to costumers. That being said, GearVR is the supperior product. And if the rumors are true, then the new GearVR version will blow Daydream out of the water.
dude
patience!
GearVR plugin has had a lot of time to mature
wintry escarp
couldn't you just buy daydream obline?
mighty carbon
It just seems that Google puts as little effort as possible into Daydream.. Kinda like what they did with Cardboard support.
raven halo
It was way more expensive online and to get it shipped to my country. I had a trip planned for germany anyway, so I bought 2 while there.
I do agree that Daydream is a rushed product
but it's Gen1 and a rushed response to GearVR
to get their foot in the door
I can't say much about what I know, but let's just say Google is investing a lot of money on daydream
on another topic
I've done some more tests with UMG and text
one thing to avoid completely is to have just floating UMG text
if you add a background to it through UMG it improves aliasing A LOT on mobile
the reason why it still might look a bit jagged is because the render target it generates has no mip maps
the render target is drawn on the plane as is
mighty carbon
@raven halo so, is there Daydream gen2 coming soon ?
raven halo
I know nothing about that specifically, I was referring more to funding
mighty carbon
I am waiting on Asus ZenFone AR.. This way I can mess with Daydream and Tango, assuming they price for the phone is ok
raven halo
I'm a bit skeptic about AR right now, admittedly I haven't tried any proper AR device. But the Hololense stuff, even though promising, it doesn't seem to be very compelling at the moment.
mighty carbon
well, gotta start evaluating AR somehow.. I am not going to use it for any game stuff. Just simple R&D for non-gaming applications.
plus, it's affordable. Hololens is not.
raven halo
right! yeah
mighty carbon
at this point I just wonder if it would be wiser to go back to conventional game dev until dust settles and competing solutions mature more (could be years from now) 🤔
(I don't have desktop VR and going with Vive isn't an option for me at this time)
raven halo
I think GearVR is the sweet spot
it's affordable to develop
and you have 5 million people with one
mighty carbon
well, yeah.. until it's killed off by Zeni
raven halo
then you port to whatever comes next if that happens
which I highly doubt
they have facebook money
facebook lawyers money
mighty carbon
So, let's say I want to have my Gear VR project ported to Vive/Rift. How hard would it be to add motion controllers and whatever else is needed into my project ?
vagrant mantle
How to make a lever move along with the motion controllers
mighty carbon
set its transforms based on controller's ?
vagrant mantle
@mighty carbon can you share me an example
mighty carbon
I am just using logic here.. I don't have desktop VR
the way I see it, you need to either convert location of the controller into rotation of the lever, or you need to lerp between max/min rotations at variable rate based on how fast you move controller
vagrant mantle
@mighty carbon lookat node will do that rite?
eternal inlet
@mighty carbon i don't have Gear VR, do they have motioncontrollers?
mighty carbon
@eternal inlet nope, not yet.
eternal inlet
so how do you control "hands" with Gear VR?
eternal inlet
i see
mighty carbon
you'd use either toucpad on the HMD for simple gestures or bluetooth gamepad
eternal inlet
in that case, i assume it will be a matter of adding hands for Vive/Rift
and mapping movements to whatever buttons you like
do you move (have locomotion) with Gear VR?
mighty carbon
I teleport
eternal inlet
ok in that case, you can just borrow the code from the vrtemplate
mighty carbon
aye, cool. Thanks
eternal inlet
uw
tired tree
Kind of, there aren't room scale boundries, he'll have to rip out all of the roomscale parts.
tired tree
It has tracked bounds support by default
you don't have a need for that
just the arc / teleport point nodes is all you need
mighty carbon
you lost me on this one...
I was asking about converting Gear VR project into Vive project. Not other way around.
so I'd need roomscale, controllers and chaperone
tired tree
oh
sorry
yeah you'd be good just ripping it out then
they store the controllers in seperate blueprint actors in their template, its kind of perfect for conversion for you
mighty carbon
aye, cool
vagrant mantle
I have a steering wheel and I want it to rotate along the direction of controllers, when the vr controller is in touch
reef totem
World aligned textures and VR, do they play nice?
wicked oak
yes
reef totem
Sweet
real needle
I have created an explosion effect using a tessellated shader. It performs well in VR. I want there to be a flash of light at the moment of the explosion. I am handling this now by toggling a bright point light on and off. This is not working well performance-wise. (shadows are disabled). What is a performant way to achieve this effect?
ah. i changed to "stationary" and it no longer hitches
should have noticed that earlier
glossy agate
@real needle would a emissive mat work if you set it really high?
like a quick flash of an ord with a super high emissive, then a spotlight that points right in the players face. Seems like spotlights give a lot of bloom in VR
real needle
i will test this idea out, thanks!
mighty carbon
out of curiosity I ran Vive test on my PC
apparently my Skylake i3 is good to go
only GPU didn't pass the test
(I have 670 GTX)
restive blade
your going to chug alot man
mighty carbon
how so?
I am going to get 1060 6Gb
I don't plan on doing desktop VR with 670
@restive blade ^^
restive blade
Yeah.. decent card. The i3 is a litle painful however
mighty carbon
how so ?
near steppe
how do I ge the AI to see the VR pawn so it will attack
prime iris
is the disconnected feel between an IK and motion controllers due to motion controller components having a late positional update? And if so is there any way to trigger the animBP to update as well?
at the moment i'm querying the motion controller positions in my animbp's update
and using them to drive the IK
eternal inlet
Which ik are u using @prime iris ? I personally use Ikinema and they have that lag as well
prime iris
just the two bone solver
eternal inlet
As far as i understand, ik calculations cant run on late tick
prime iris
:<
eternal inlet
Not sure of the specific reasons tho
prime iris
i had a feeling it might be something that was pretty deeply coupled in the engine
eternal inlet
Im sure @tired tree can give a better explanation
prime iris
quite a lot of work is passed off to other threads and working a frame ahead/behind for performance. i guess it makes doing a late update trickier than just asking twice 😄
eternal inlet
What ik stuff are u building? Arms?
eternal inlet
Nice
wicked oak
everything that doesnt use the late update thing will be 1 frame behind
something like an Ik, probably 2 frames behind
i think if you tick it properly like ticking it before animation, you can get it better
prime iris
i guess one solution is to have motion controller models be part of the skeletal mesh?
wicked oak
its what everyone does
another way is to do the skeletal mesh for the hands separated from the body or others
eternal inlet
@wicked oak how do u tick before animation?
wicked oak
and actually go and ATTACH the whole arm to the hand controller
and use late update on that
that might even work
wicked oak
i think it is possible
but i havent done it so i cant tell you
i use late update
and only a hand mesh
not whole arm with ik
eternal inlet
The vr template has the handmesh attached to the motioncontroller so as long as use late tick is checked it works ok i suppose
Just not with ik if u were to add a forearm
@wicked oak are u developing for vive?
eternal inlet
Oh dayum
Nice
I ran into a weird issue with the vrtemplate this morning. The left hand is a mirrored version of the right hand, and i introduced a box where i made the hand a child of. But i also wanted the box to be mirrored
Problem is that if i mirror the box, the left hand gets a slight rotation offset for some reason.. ever tried something like that?
The box acts as a collider and the collision also doesnt act as the right hand. It gets snaps in rotations and other weird stuff
Seems like a bug
wicked oak
not a bug
just a thing that happens
my 2 hands are carefully aligned
even if they are mirrored
becouse even if mirrored, the "attachment" point can easly not be the same
unless you use a socket as the attachment point or other things like that
eternal inlet
Its just strange it only happens for the left hand
Which is mirrored
I'll post a video showing the issue in a bit
Maybe im missing something
zinc violet
eternal inlet
@wicked oak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKGbOLvqCZM
here's the issue i talked about
real needle
has anybody figured out a good way of actually seeing the stats when VR previewing? (stat scenerendering, for example)
it is not aligned properly with the screen and is cutoff
sharp swan
custom UMG. I think it's pretty vital to debug out of a custom UMG tbh.
real needle
ahh, neat idea but dang...more work lol
a question for the profiling gurus - what is the best way to determine where my draw calls are coming from?
i am trying to figure out why under some circumstances it jumps up by an order of magnitude
sharp swan
the GPU profiler
tired tree
@wicked oak I've done late update on arms onyl to see how it feels, it obviously requires seperated arm meshes and they shift as a whole with the late update translation. Its not really any better since you have to throw out rotation.
real needle
re: GPU profiler - it shows me the times in ms, but how about the number of draw calls?
wicked oak
stat rhi
prime iris
yeah, i'm thinking of having several skeletons. a torso/body for the head for attaching stuff to (weapon holsters etc) and for querying shoulder poisitions. and then having the hands/forearm meshes directly driven by controllers and using the previous frames shoulder location
real needle
@wicked oak - thanks!
prime iris
but the sooner there are popular consumer priced fullbody mocap solutions the better! 😄
tired tree
if you change your skeletal mesh tick to post physics or post update you'll get less delay on the animation
prime iris
yeah, makes sense
but i'm also hopeful that it's only really the constraint points of the IK that really matter
i guess my plan for using a forearm UI might require a little juryrigging on the elbows upvector depending on what the player is doing
tired tree
IK is kind of where the entire concept of UE4's late update falls apart
You don't really want to run something that expensive on the render thread, and it also doesn't have full scene information.
prime iris
yeah. i imagine it's something that will be separated in future engine designs. things that the player influences directly will be rendered in a specialized way that allows it to be closer to the physical objects they're constrained to
but for now the engine assumes IK is as important as it is on npcs 😄
"is your animation walking up stairs?"
hmm, should i design my skeleton around a unit height and then scale it at runtime to match the players height?
tired tree
yes
prime iris
why are simple things so complicated?!
tired tree
its not that complicated
make the default 6' height
/182 cm
scale it by the difference
prime iris
yeah, i know. i just wanted to make a pipboy today and I had to learn about IK instead!
tired tree
add in a mobile app that people can use with their collectors edition fallout4 pipboy's
instant presence
prime iris
the fallout 4 collectors ed pipboy was functional?
or do you just mean for physical sensation of it being on your arm?
sharp swan
didn't you just put your phone in it and use an app?
tired tree
yeah
prime iris
sweet
has there been any word on fallout vr yet? they going to be showing off things at gdc?
or it still soontm?
tired tree
they already said that the game is fully playable, start to finish currently
and that multiple locomotion options are included
sounds nearly done
real needle
guaranteed to be a junkshow, imo
prime iris
awesome. want to see what the pros can do
real needle
ports just aren't what we need
tired tree
lol
ports are fine if done correctly
fallout is actually better suited to it than most
VATS and the concept of their screen interactions would all play nicely
prime iris
well i'm not a huge fan of fallout at least the first person variety. not even played vegas or 4. but if something will get me to play their walking simulators it will be a VR game!
real needle
VR and exploration is not compatible at the moment
it is very contrived
VR and exploration is not compatible at the moment
tired tree
what.....
sharp swan
how can you have not played Vegas or FO4? You scum !
real needle
new vegas is the only real fallout of the bunch
tired tree
F1-2 were best anyway
real needle
exactly
prime iris
i don't enjoy bethesda rpgs, they don't have any real gameplay beyond press your biggest x to continue. but that tends to be a controversial opinion so i'll leave at that
sharp swan
sure but thats fine really
prime iris
huge fan of fallout 1/2 though
real needle
MrBushido - play new vegas
tired tree
dunno man, in 1/2 i could have gotten away with killing everyone, in 4 even though they don't let you kill everyone I still soft locked my character from trying
tired tree
same with skyrim
sharp swan
@prime iris I agree entirely but I still enjoy them. I'm a fan of the old school D&D stuff like Neverwinter nights and such. Ever since Oblivion I have seen rpgs go to shit. There are still good ones though like Divinity:OS and Wasteland 2 etc
prime iris
@sharp swan neverwinter nights was awesome! i enjoyed dragon age too but haven't played the recent titles
sharp swan
yeah dragon age origins and Inquisition were fantastic
tired tree
NoX still best RPG ever made, come at me
real needle
LOVED NOX
prime iris
pillars of eternity was the last rpg i sunk a bunch of time in to
sharp swan
I was going to play that as the sequel is upon us
sharp swan
NoX wouldn't run on my pc very well at the time iirc so I dont remember playing it
real needle
it was the most anarchic pvp experience of all time
tired tree
NoX was what MOBAS should have been to truly be esports, MOBA Quake
real needle
beyond even UO
tired tree
wivy did you play long enough to see our map editor? full scripting system, and LUA support for the game? was a lot of love left for it
real needle
i did not, unfortunately
i was never very good, i just really enjoy insanity in online gaming
that is why i loved Unreal Tournament
jack taht speed up
tired tree
even upgraded the renderer by injecting in and overriding the directx calls
real needle
amazing - i love when "the nerds" keep an old thing going
the world moves on from things too quickly
prime iris
@sharp swan if you're referring to the new pillars game yeah, the first is worth checking out. I wouldn't say it's a great story but the engine is pretty solid and the gameplay was fun
and by that i dont mean the story was bad, just kind of generic fantasy
they definitely put a lot of effort in to world building story writing. loads of neat details in a kind of tokeinesque fantasy
sharp swan
i'll set some time aside during the next school holidays for it
prime iris
I should probably play it again to refresh the story if the sequel is going to be related in some way
maybe even try one fo the achievements. there was a pretty crazy ironman challenge i think
something along the lines of not grouping with other characters on the hardest setting 😄
"The Ultimate - Complete the White March and Pillars of Eternity, defeat all dragons, all bounties, and both archmages on Expert, Trial of Iron, and Path of the Damned modes without taking any companions after Cilant Lîs." - 0.0%
mighty carbon
@wicked oak why do you say i3 is no good if Vive's test says it is ?
prime iris
it probably depends on the generation of i3. but you're probably going to be pushing things pretty close to the baremin spec doing vr with the most powerful i3s
prime iris
you'll probably be okay for a most games at the moment, but quite a lot of simplistic graphics at the moment.
are you having an issue with it or just pricing things?
mighty carbon
have you tried Vive's test? It looks far from simplistic graphics
prime iris
sure, but the vive test is valves lab stuff running in highly optimized scenes right?
mighty carbon
I suppose.. What's how people should be making games - optimized 😉
prime iris
i agree, but outside of a select few studios that's not a priority :<
wicked oak
minimum by oculus is an i5
btw @mighty carbon can you test my game?
i would like to know how it runs on an i3
mighty carbon
if I had VR, I could
wicked oak
if you get a vive or a oculus
mighty carbon
just debating whether to get 1060 and then get VR, or get i7 and then 1060 and then VR
wicked oak
1060 then vr
the cpu is quite a bit on the limit
is it overclocked?
anyway, most games wont be an issue with the cpu
the absolute mayority are gpu bound
mine isnt due to the drawcalls
but it also isnt very multithread (thx epic)
prime iris
@mighty carbon you can probably get away with a 1060 and an i3 at the moment because a lot of the games are relatively simple
wicked oak
yup
by the time you want to get a CPU 2 things have happened
1: ryzen is good, you can get a kickass rycen cpu
2: intel lowers prices to compete and you get an intel for cheap
or a 3rd. you grab a secondhand i7 from the guys who are getting a ryzen
expect the secondhand i7 market to get flooded
mighty carbon
speaking of multithreading, I don't think any engine has multithreaded game code
Doom 3 BFG had it on a single thread, RAGE was the same, even DOOM 2016 has game code on a single thread I believe
so, same game in VR and not in VR would most likely consume same amount of CPU time
I can't go AMD route as I just upgraded to Intel system.
I got i3 because it was on sale at that time and Oculus lowered lower end specs to i3
so I figured I get i3, 1060 and I should be good to go as developing for the bottom line usually yields product that flies on better systems
(and eventually I can get i7 and be set for a loooong time)
and since Vive's test indicated I only need to get better GPU, I am guessing I was correct
it would be extremely painful to work with threaded game code
(especially debugging it)
wicked oak
all ubisoft games have multithreaded game code
Destiny has multithread game code
pretty much most console focused engines have multithreaded game code
sharp swan
I was wondering if to put this TrackIR in a seperate thread or not. Im not sure if it will benefit from it as it's tied to tick, but I could make it an event in the dll or call functions in unreal through pointers so it doesn't need to be. However it does need to stay consistent at a performant level
mighty carbon
@wicked oak well, Ubisoft has a lot more manpower than Epic or small studios to work with multithreaded gamecode
wicked oak
dakka 2.0
im testing lots of enemies at the same time for the hell of it
also becouse optimization
mighty carbon
I still don't get why you draw arc for teleport 😃
mighty carbon
just draw the end location reticle
wicked oak
nope
it becomes really hard to aim
ill probably end up making the arc less obvous, but you need the arc
tired tree
the arc helps a lot visualing the path to point
ug
the hell did I spell there
was loading visual studio at the same time
mighty carbon
I see
wicked oak
so you need something as reference of where you are aiming
every single game does this
maybe not an arc, but a line
but ALL do it
for a reason
tired tree
I like the bullet spread btw, makes those guns seem like they would feel powerful
mighty carbon
btw, they all do not because of a reason.. They just do because first dev did it and managed to justify it 😃
you don't have laser sight on every weapon
mighty carbon
not always
tired tree
arc trace allows you to teleport to things you normally couldn't, since it has a drop to it
without visualizing that drop its really hard to aim to what you want
tired tree
yes even then, it is a lot easier
mighty carbon
like I said, guns don't have leaser sights in every game.. It sure helps a ton having it, but not all of them do.. You just aim and shoot. Same can go for teleport
tired tree
you get far more visual feedback from a line + point than you do a point only
wicked oak
the teleport is allways carefully aimed
so you need to know where you are aiming
the arc does that
mighty carbon
make it additively transparent maybe?
for me arc breaks immersion
it makes me think I will fly to the end point over the arc trajectory
tired tree
you are doing it from your head though...that is a lot different
have you ever tried tracked controllers?
wicked oak
yup
mighty carbon
and pretending I am in VR and imagining how things would go makes me wonder about the arc
wicked oak
if its gaze aimed, no line is ok
but with the hand controller, you need something
becouse games have different arcs/trayectory
so you cant just learn to do it
its odd as hell if you dont have it
source: i have done it for PS4
until i optimized the spline
tired tree
its also hard to "aim" down the sight of the controller when its in your hand, its not like a gun where you line it up with your perspective
prime iris
@wicked oak needs more bunnyhopping!
mighty carbon
when I get to it, I'll see first hand if I am wrong or right 😉
wicked oak
too bad its on VR, good luck bunnyhopping there
but Sairento VR does it XD
i really dislike how they do it, i prefer my straight dash
tired tree
you might be right for yourself, but the vast majority prefer the line, don't think its going away
blanco, you can bunny hop in vr
jump + turn ;p pretty sure people would get tired doing it IRLthough
prime iris
@wicked oak lol really? not played many shooters though i keep hearing sairento come up
wicked oak
things my game does better:
everything Tech related, too many small things
enemies
i have spells
Sairento has:
prime iris
well you just need to come up with something to make your game more compelling than theirs! change the art to voxels and add a survival mode? 😄
wicked oak
a waifu on the logo
consistent art style
a mission based system, with difficulty and unlocks and loot
while the core mechanics are better on my game, my game is thin as a paper
sairento has more playable hours due to the unlocks and loot and missions
it sold better at launch due to a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better trailer
the biggest mistake ive done for DWVR launch is the bad trailer
wintry escarp
i see that company is trying to have all oculus sales blocked
fresh laurel
mighty carbon
I just don't see how it's possible
if it was decided that Oculus didn't steal tech, and if current software has no code from what Carmack took from Zeni, what legal ground Zeni has to halt sales of Oculus/Samsung products and software with SDK in it ?
mighty carbon
oh those forecasts ...
clever sky
Why do you guys think that growth curve is unreasonable?
I suppose the difficulty is its predicated on continuous year on year growth which would suggest constant updates/refreshes to hardware
But even so, why wouldn't you expect pretty significant growth to VR from this current point in time?
mighty carbon
I hear people say because VR is not essential and doesn't take off as fast as smartphones did, investors will lose interest to VR pretty soon
plus Zeni being a bully to Oculus doesn't help industry overall
clever sky
Expecting VR to have the same growth trajectory as smartphones is just ludicrous
At least post iphone growth
Given that smartphones were around for nearly a decade before that.
digital marlin
Nah I don't think it'll be overly aggressive is all
I think they'll be a big boost in 18 months time when the first wave kinks are smoothed out.
Wireless, lighter, better resolution, hardware can catch up etc.
and probably the biggest factor - an establishment of content standards.
clever sky
Yeah... the steam approach right now is... creating a bad narrative in the marketplace D:
clever sky
and yet, somewhat essential for creating VR skill pool for the future of the industry.
mighty carbon
he says prices are too high for desktop VR. I suggested mobile VR. He saying phones are expensive. I said Axon is $400. He says he doesn't want Android VR phone.
naysayers will find excuse to dismiss VR
clever sky
Some people will lead and some people will trail a market.
That goes for producers and consumers.
To be fair, game devs on average are leading the market. But I don't know why there should be a suprise that some of them want to stay conservative and comfortable in their current niche.
mighty carbon
just weird is all :/
"Me: Have you tried VR? I think it's the future of gaming. A dev: Meh, I think it's a gimmick. Me: have you tried VR at all? A dev: Nope."
that's a kind of conversation I've had many times with other indies
digital marlin
I have yet to come across a dev that isn't excited to dev VR
But opinions may vary.
restive blade
I just got my Oculus touch controllers
digital marlin
It's just time is all. I don't think it's going away any time soon.
clever sky
Demoed my stuff to tech startup guys a couple days ago.
restive blade
Hey zap
digital marlin
Oh how'd it go?
clever sky
Some comments I got was - "oh wow, I thought this was a gimmick"
"But it's the real thing"
digital marlin
ah good!
clever sky
Dude was getting excited about been able to pick up a gun and fire it 😄
Which in a certain sense IS super cool.
Compared to what we've come from - keyboard/mouse/gamepad to point a cursor on the screen.
@restive blade yo sup
And they were all pretty impressed with my walking-in-place stuff
digital marlin
oh yeah, it's great
restive blade
@clever sky tried your demo btw
clever sky
@restive blade Rift or Vive?
digital marlin
As Newell said, we're at the 1981 of personal computing.
restive blade
Vive
restive blade
Was interesting
clever sky
Haha... fair enough.
restive blade
I think it would work for some people really well
clever sky
Were you able to try it for long?
restive blade
No.. I had to catch a bus home
clever sky
I feel the biggest weakness to the thing is that... it does take people time to adjust and get used to it...
30-60 minutes. So it's not great in a demo setting.
restive blade
Yeah... Ppl get the teleport right away
clever sky
Yeah. Teleport is great like that. But a few hours in, you're definetly feeling that limitation.
This thing... is the opposite almost. Takes longer to learn, but after you're used to it... you find most things quite lacking by comparison! D:
restive blade
For sure... That's not been a major issue yet.. most people don't spend long in VR
clever sky
Yeah.... it's mainly the users that own the stuff that'd have that sort of exposure.
And VR is still kinda been discussed in the context of new experience.
restive blade
I think longest I ever spent in VR at one time was 20 mins
clever sky
I mean I say that it takes 30-60 mins. But that's just a conservative estimate.
Some people put it on and they just get it with minimal instruction.
'Ok. Point the arrow? got that... walk on the spot? walks ok! It works! Excellent!'
restive blade
Yeah... I got it... But only had a couple mins hehe
clever sky
And some people are like... 'arrow? heading?' 😛
Ah. Well... hopefully I can get the rift version done in the next few days.
The code is done, but I just have to update graphics tutorials and stuff.
Incidentally, it works better on the Rift IMO - due to the analogue stick.
Easier to understand the stick as a device with which to set heading.
restive blade
Well I've got my rift now.. I'll try it on that
clever sky
The current version is highly incompatible with the Rift 😛
it loads... just everything is messed up.
restive blade
Story of my life
clever sky
Anyway... so what did you think of your small initial impression? And where did you try it? 😛
restive blade
At my previous boss s house
restive blade
He's flying to LA today
clever sky
For GDC?
sullen burrow
hello, I imported this model from C4D and trying to throw objects inside, nothing goes past an imaginary barrier
I can't figure out why
I had the exact same issue with an architectural model imported from 3DS, I couldn't navigate anywhere inside the object, nothing could pass through it
great ways to spend my Saturday night lol
prime iris
open the model and click the "collision" button
it might have generated collision that encompasses both parts
sullen burrow
mmmm let's try that
prime iris
also concave hulls will probably require you to make your own collision geometry
sullen burrow
make a UCX_something in C4D and export it with the mesh ?
prime iris
yeah
i think that's how it works
not done it myself so probably check the docs first 😄
sullen burrow
aaaaah I seeeeee 😃 awesome thank you Mr 😃
prime iris
a simple fix is to set it to use complex traces
on the mesh/actors collision settings
but that means it will use your models full polycount of collision and that can get pretty slow depending on how many you have/polycount
prime iris
yeah, use complex as simple
prime iris
gz
prime iris
hehe, been there countless times
here's a video on making concave collision https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy1ZBp_OTVo
sullen burrow
woo I need that!!
yes its the UCX_
so this is how UE identifies custom collision meshes
prime iris
yup
sullen burrow
awesome. That will save me a loooot of time. I have objects like that here and there. I just got to go back and fix em
secrets don't come with the beginner's guide haha
prime iris
explains why you would want to use convex collision https://answers.unrealengine.com/questions/174028/convexconcave-collisions.html
tl;dr you can't simulate physics on complex collision (or at least couldn't in 2015)
so while simulated objects can interact with complex surfaces, the complex collision object would have to be static in the world
sullen burrow
mmmm that was exactly what I was looking at at the moment. I was trying to simulate physics
hmmmm why unavailable ?
prime iris
then I think you're gunna have to make a custom collision out of convex shapes like in that video. double check with #legacy-physics for the requirements, they'll know what is possible in the current engines
sullen burrow
awesome. Thanks for all of your help Mr
prime iris
no idea, why it's unavail
sharp swan
it should come with a can of mace attached for when the muggers try to steal it on the tube. :p
mighty carbon
MWC begins tomorrow
and so does GDC I think
will be a lot of VR news coming next week
real needle
@eternal inlet thats very strange.. first things first, why are u introducing the box component? just to help with placement or?
also, what engine version are u on, and is that just the default virtual reality template, or one of the many spinoffs?
eternal inlet
Box is for collision later.. now i dont use it
Its the defaultvr template yes
4.15
real needle
kk ill have a looksie if i can reproduce
eternal inlet
Pretty sure it can be reproduced with a non vr setup
Just easier to spot it with the motioncontrollers
real needle
so far unable to reproduce
@eternal inlet can u share a screenie of the exact sizing and rotation of the hand mesh (preferably unparented) and the box?
been trying to eyeball similar angles, but have had no issue like the jump in rotation your having
mighty carbon
UE4 and mobile are weird combo
I get a ton of CPU stalls when profiling my game for Gear VR
OnlineAsyncTaskThreadNull
raven halo
can't wait for the gearvr controller 😄
mighty carbon
why am I getting so many CPU stalls ?
900k PSVRs were sold
I am about to throw in a tower with Gear VR development 😦
(not because of sales numbers for PSVR but because piece of shit mobile hardware doesn't work well with UE4)
tired tree
yo anyone in the states with a vive have some time to test something in multiplayer?
tried with jonas but he is in denmark and region lock got in the way :p
real needle
anyone up for a discussion about the good or bad of scaling player ingame vs scaling playerspace?